Hey, Lakota brothers and sisters! Know how to make a bunch of Republicans nervous?
Lakota Vote—that’s what those t-shirts at the Rosebud Fair Wacipi and Rodeo say, and that’s Democratic candidate for Attorney General Randy Seiler and Democratic candidate for Auditor Tom Cool saying it.
Lakota Vote—that’s what Republicans in South Dakota have been trying to stop for decades.
Lakota Vote—that should have a comma. Lakota, Vote!
Related Viewing: Rosebud law enforcement also appreciate Seiler’s ubiquitous flyswatters, now available in blue for better sky camouflage:
Flies, like Jason Ravnsborg, will never see it coming. Swat Out Crime, Swat Out Republicans!
The noun, “Lakota Vote”, is also a term that could be used in a phrase like “Get out the Lakota Vote!”
Or perhaps a present tense phrase? Like, when the “Irish Vote” they really do so with style and grace.
Weird how you show a picture of Tribal Police but the democrats hate the Police. . .
Blue Lives Matter
The topic is Indian Votes Matter. You’re lost again, Young Air Force Kid.
I hope the turnout on the reservations is very good. The last governor who treated the Indian people decently happened to be a Republican, George Mickelson. Of course the SDGOP was a fairly respectable outfit back then. Was that the 1980s?
Hm. Seiler was the US Attorney for the State of South Dakota when the GEAR-UP program for Indian youth unraveled and went up in flames. It was federal money for Indians, stolen by a bunch of white people who were being supervised by the state’s Secretary of Education. Marty Jackley got to do the honors of representing the state against its own employees.
Seiler did nothing.
He was also the US Attorney directed by the DOJ’s Cole Memorandum to work with tribal governments planning to produce marijuana, to keep them out of trouble. The Flandreau Santee Sioux did not receive proper guidance and lost a lot of money, apparently they did not understand the intricacies of both state and federal laws still on the books prohibiting it. Marty Jackley brought charges against the consultants who got them into that mess, but it was Seiler’s job too work with them. It shouldn’t have happened. He should have explained to them that just because Obama’s DOJ wasn’t going to enforce the law it didn’t mean the law had changed.
So it’s nice to know the Lakota think Seiler has got their backs. The Kool-Aid must be strong this year.
Never a better year for good turnout. The Lakota people have an opportunity to place a real advocate for civil rights in the Attorney General’s office.
Ah, nice to know that Republicans like Anne now want to talk about GEAR UP. She’s ignoring the fact, of course, that Seiler can actually do the job while his opponent cannot. Jason Ravnsborg will be beholden to political climbers and schemers to cover for his inability to do the job.
Hate cops? Jason Ravnsborg is the one driving 140 miles from Yankton just to help an angry dad fight a deputy sheriff in court.
Still strange. I don’t believe that many police officers can all be democrat and blatantly support one party over another when they are all being paid with federal funds. Is the Hatch Act not applicable on the reservations?
I’m sure it is as professionals charged with enforcing the law they would enforce all the laws not just the ones they like. Certainly Seiler would know this.
Hmm. People that think that law enforcement should be held to a high standard, shouldn’t violate people’s constitutional rights, and shouldn’t unnecessarily and illegally commit excessive force on individuals – translates to “hate the police”?
I guess that must mean all of those years when I worked on getting the bad apples/unethical police out of the department I worked with – I guess my “hatred of the police” was showing through. Come on with this OS. Ridiculous.
What you specifically do or did not do Dana is not applicable. This isn’t all about you. Wait! In a way it is. You are what the left has become: You ignore the laws you do not like because it is all about you after all. Some would say, you and the left have an “I” problem: I want this, I want that. None of you are concerned with your family, neighbors or community. It is all about you and what you get. Yes, that is an “I” problem. Just as the last administration weaponized government organizations to suppress the voice of the people, spied on the media and US citizens, worked with foreign counties to try and overthrow a duly elected president you continue down the same cheating road you can’t seem to get off of. The actions of those police officers is a violation of the law and you are all supporting that breaking of the law because you benefit from it. One law for others but different for yourselves.
Of course I am not an attorney and this is just my opinion but: What is really incredible is the Hatch Act was originally put in place due to this exact type of incident. Hatch Act when it was discovered that “government officials, such as police officers” were using their positions to win votes for the Democratic Party. The Hatch Act makes it illegal to intimidate or bribe voters and restricted political-campaign activities by federal/tribal employees. It was further amended to limit contributions by individuals to political campaigns. These “officers” of the law have broken the law and it is all of you that disclosed this crime by pasting their pictures in this web site further endangering their careers and the wellbeing of their families.
You all should have thought of this before you went out of your way to increase your chance of placing more democrats in office to the extent that you would sacrifice these young police officers futures just so you win an election. Yep, you all have an “I” problem. . . and a legal problem as well.
Personally, I don’t like cops very much and I’m not worried about repercussion. Some are OK but most are drunk with power. IMHO one of the biggest problems in South Dakota is that Preachers, Teachers and Cops get respect before they’ve earned it. This, in and of itself leads to abuse. Abuse of children and abuse of human rights. In Democrat states cops know this and they spend every day on the job trying to earn the citizen’s respect not expecting and exploiting it.
Sorta kinda related – Cory, if you’re elected, would you put forward a measure to allow same-day voter registration? Seems like if it can be done in our neighbors Montana, Wyoming, Minnesota, and Iowa, we could do it here.
Fyi…. those are not ‘police officers’ they are detention officers.
The real tribal law enforcement officers at Rosebud don’t carry Fly swatters.
And ol sarge….. C’mon it’s a picture. It was at the 142nd annual Rosebud Fair and pow wow. Nobody’s career is ruined.
If Ravnsborg showed up he could have got a pic too….
Mr. Spike is right. There are not that many RST police officers, and they don’t dress like that. Plus it is just a picture of people having fun and posing. It is no different than pictures Mr. Seiler has gotten of lots of people posing with his swatters. I, myself, wish I had a swatter of blue.
I’m all for same-day registration, Heidi. Save people a trip to town, involve as many citizens as we can in democracy.
By the way, Grudz, I’m pretty sure that if you contact the Seiler for AG campaign, they’ll get a flyswatter in your hands. I’ll bet they’d even take a photo for you, showing you with your proud Seiler paraphernalia. Call now!
Cory,
Are you saying Democrats think a person should vote for Democrats because of their skin color or race?
Jason, no, that is the GOP-Trump race dogwhistle you are hearing to call whites to vote.
I’ll take o’s answer as a yes to my question.
She clearly said ” NO”, Jason. Having trouble with reading and comprehension some more?
I meant to say O, not she. My apologies.
She clearly didn’t give any evidence for her “no”.
The coward grudznick can’t risk having Seiler know where he lives.
You didn’t ask for any evidence.
Are they doing background checks on voters, now, or just voters of color?
Jason, even in this context, “no” means “no.” Asked and answered.
The bumper sticker troll is asking me for proof? Michael Eric Dyson was on the weekend news programs a few weeks ago. His point is that the GOP should absolutely have the black vote – when it comes to social issues, blacks tend to be far more conservative. The only reason they do not go GOP is the institutional and overt racism of the GOP. Through exclusion and marginalization, the GOP pushed away ideological brothers.
. . . and sisters.
Jason does have a point. The majority of you are leftist, I mean democrat, and think that just because someone has skin color of one shade or another they should vote a certain way. I guess that is one of the reasons I find the democrat party so repulsive. You are ignorant of your own racism. That’s what makes this so difficult for me to even bring this to your attention. I know you will just get upset and spew more hate at me but it’s only because you all know what I have posted is the truth. You do not see your fellow men and women as equals. You see them in color or sexual orientation and try to manipulate them based upon that racist dogma. I hope one day you meet and become open enough to see through the color of one’s skin to form an actual bond with the person underneath.
Might i suggest you not bother bringing it up and save us from having to hate you? Never thought of that, did you?
You really needed to hear it though mike. I know you won’t understand it even in its most simple form but ask someone to explain it to you. You might like it if you understood it.
OldSarg. I applaud your sentiment, I really do. In reality, it is impractical to ignore the real hardship and strife that come from minority/outsider/other status. You assume that we all start equal, and if that were the case, if there were not institutional racist (sexist, and ageist . . .) attitudes that have manifested in real policy and structural barriers to some enjoying the bounty of this great nation equally, I would agree with you fully.
I do not see people as unequals; I recognize the playing field as unequal.
Well put O. Very well put.
OS is highly skilled at twisted and perverse ways of seeing things, and his comments about race are a beautiful case in point.
It’s a long time GOP tactic to split women and POC from the Democratic Party. However, we are not stupid enough to fall for it. We look at what the GOP actually does, their actions, compared to the actions of the Democratic Party, and vote accordingly. We are not ignorant dupes.
OldSawnieBean, I disremember whom you said died and left you in charge of saving Libby’s souls. Yer not very good at it. Other than playing the victim, you don’t do anything well.
mike from idiocy: I’m not trying to save your souls but I got a pretty good feeling if there was a rapture you all would still be sitting around bitching at the people who were no longer there.
The rapture has as much chance of happening as yer dead animal pelt wearing hero Drumpf has of ever telling the truth.
You never did specify whose beaver your taking. Who pays you to troll Cory and DFP? You ain’t very good at it. Someone is not getting their money’s worth.
It’s my beaver, Mr. mike, and the pelts weren’t trapped in Iowa where you are from. They’re good old South Dakota Beaver.
I feel Mr. OldSarg is earning his keep just fine. He’s got more of your goats than even I do.
Keep it up, Mr. OldSarg. I’m a big tipper.
o~ Racism is only in one’s head “if” they allow it. There will always be the ignorant and there is nothing you can do, no classes, no surgery, no nothing. The only change that can be made is within yourself. You can’t make a Black Man white and you can’t make a Native American live within your same customs and values. We are all different but what is inside of you can change. As you and your fellow “Cory Lemmings” all cry about institutional racism instead of changing yourselves you are solving nothing. The time of pointing at others and calling them racist is over. Enlightenment is from within.
iowa beavers wouldn’t get caught dead anywhere near you or OldSnuffy, Grudz. iowa beavers have refined tastes and they love corn fed tree bark which can’t be found anywhere near you.
Besides, Northern Mississippi beaver pelts are mangy and of inferior quality to superb iowa beaver. Your beaver are corrupt because they are.
mike from idiocy why are you on this site?
nd think that just because someone has skin color of one shade or another they should vote a certain way.
Or in the case of wingnuts, such as yerself, POC shouldn’t vote at all because they aren’t pearly white.
What is “POC”?
No—yawn—of course not, Jason.
O orders salami & provolone, Jason hears Caesar salad.
Seiler would easily understand and distinguish logic from fallacy in this section. Ravnsborg would scan the text and confuse Jason’s comments for his own and think that’s all that was written here.
Everybody in South Dakota should vote for Randy Seiler for one simple reason: he’s the only candidate qualified for the job.
Cory, how many of my other posts do you censure to say what you want?
OldSaggy, POC = People of Color. And you mocked Mike by labeling him ‘mike from idiocy’. lol
Cory,
I’m not talking about Seiler or Ravnsborg.
I’m talking about your post.
You posted this:
“Hey, Lakota brothers and sisters! Know how to make a bunch of Republicans nervous?”
Your statement seems to me that you view people as races and colors and not Americans.
Sadly, most of the Democrat party thinks the same as you.
Rick~ pay attention. My point of posting “What is “POC”?” was exactly my point. You all see the color of people before you see the people. That is racist. That is why you are all so morally corrupt. You blast everyone else for being racist and other nonsense when, in fact, it is those of your ilk who are the racist. mike from idiocy proved this by use of the term “POC”. Do you understand now? POC = People of color. The term is used by those who see the color of someone’s skin before they know the person. That is R A C I S T. I wish I had a crayon font.
OS – Your white privilege clouds your vision. There is a racial inequality problem in South Dakota. Liberals acknowledge it and are working to expose and mitigate it.
Jason – Your white privilege makes you nervous when minority inequality is in your face. That alone is a valid symptom of your neuroses.
Portly you live in Colorado you don’t know. You have an unqualified opinion. You are judging from outside our state. Judge your own purple hazed smoke clouded, slow driving state. You have much more serious issues you need to focus on. If that is possible.
A rich kid has the choice to use his/her privilege in three ways. They can use it to help people. To be selfish or to harm people.
But being “rich” is not a matter of color. There are many people of different races that are privileged due to being “rich” and not to get in the weeds but when you refer to someone as “rich” how do you define rich? I would say I am rich in love. I am rich in life but when compared to Trump or the Clintons I am not rich in monetary wealth but I don’t need, in the quantities they have, money. Maybe this is the actual problem? If you define privilege or being rich as someone having more money than you do is the problem really privilege or is the problem envy? I think this is why I have peace in my heart. I really don’t envy others having things I don’t have. I would love to have a trawler and do the great circle loop but I don’t envy those that do. I would love to have one of those razors and race around the hills but my neighbor having one doesn’t make me dislike him. I think this is where more people need to be. Finding peace with one’s self is more satisfying than blaming others for your position in life.
I know, Jason, you’re not interested in talking about the facts and the candidates (and the glaring inferiority of the Republican in the AG race); you just want to talk about me. Not interested.
Cory,
You are the one running for office. Since you are not answering my question, I will take the answer as a yes from you.
Nice try deflecting the race issue, OS. White privilege is being born rich in opportunity that others don’t have. It wasn’t our choice. It’s your decision how to use it. To help. To be selfish. Or, to discriminate.
Porter the only “privilege” one man has over a other is the privilege the perceived underling has in their own mind. When you envy what others have, or you perceive they have over you, is due to one’s own shortcomings. Think about it in the realm of education. No one can take your education away from you. It’s like a right in a way but you earned it and it is yours. You use that education to progress and the only person that can stop that progression is yourself. Race is much the same. If you take pride in who you are and stand tall others will see you as you see yourself and that is a privilege you created for yourself. This is what we teach young men and women in uniform and why race isn’t the issue it is in the civilian world. I can understand why someone like yourself may see racism around every corner if only because of what the media is spewing on a daily basis but I do not believe you do not feel pride in who you are and the people you descend from. No, your verbose does not come from a man who feels a failure because of others. I expect you stand tall and walk into any setting with pride and confidence. This is also why I am so confused by your blaming others for this imaginary racial privilege. I tell the young people around me “Own it”. This apples to making decisions (right or wrong), conducting one’s self in a professional manner and knowing who you are inside. Why would you give anyone power over you to decide your fate? That is what the perceived privilege of others is all about.
Well then why don’t you practice what you preach, OS? Don’t be scared of dark-skinned Muslims, don’t automatically target them as being all members of ISIS.
Would you be fearful and intimidated by a tall, educated swarthy looking Muslim man standing next to you? Maybe living next to you? How about getting hired for a job you wanted? Or perhaps dating the woman you wanted to date?
Would you own it? Or would you turn into a bitter man feeling threatened by this man, this culture that is “different” from you? Or are they really any different at all?
Speak for yourself, OS.
OldSoapsuds running his mouth off the rails again. I used POC instead of the “N” word for Blacks, or the “S” or “W”word for Hispanics that wasicu wasteys use when they are not being wink, wink, racist.
OldScuttlebutt has been taking lessons from the Pompatus of Pablum on how to waste a thousand words and not say anything intelligible.
Since OldStardust has everybody’s problems figured out, and isn’t shy about telling us he has, why, one asks, is he not filthy rich and famous?
Jason, absolutely that makes pubs nervous when Democrats get out the vote in Minority neighborhoods. Come on, pubs don’t want poor Hispanics, blacks and Native Americans voting when they are overwhelmingly Democrat. How many times has the State of SD been sued over suppressing the Native American vote (such as having the polling place in an out of the way place like Gann Valley which is not a Reservation town?)
Adding to what Jenny said, perhaps OS might also consider practicing what OS preaches and stop being afraid (for OS him or for other non-immigrants) of hispanic immigrants as well as immigrants from different cultures.
You guys still do not know the deference between religion, race or nationality. If you ever have the opportunity to travel you will learn that people of all colors can live around the world in different countries. Did you know in Japan they have blacks, whites, asian, middle easterners and Japanese but they do not allow muslims? For the Japanese it is not about race but instead about values, morals and ethics and even if you don’t agree that was what our own Nation was founded on. Did you also know the term Hispanic did not identify a specific race or nationality? It actually wasn’t even part of our everyday vernacular until an census in 1980. So, if you honestly feel having some unnamed bureaucrat would be best in deciding what you all should feel hurt about then so be it. I’m not so shallow minded as to see the color of every man’s skin as a measurement of their worth. This is what defines each of yo has actual racist. Jenny assumes minorities are all poor but their are more poor whites in the US than all the other minorities combined. Bare… thinks hispanic is a race when in fact it was just a created word. And mike is just mike or stupid since those words seem to be inter-changable.
Someday when you all decide to treat each other as equals and quit judging people on the color of their skin you’ll find peace as well and then maybe the hate you spew will recede as well. Good luck. I ran M Hill this morning for 40 minutes and it was very nice. They have put a trail system in that is fantastic. M Hill is in Rapid City which is in South Dakota which the vast majority of you that comment on here do not live and we really don’t want you here. We would take Porter back because he is more civil. I would walk M Hill with him.
We won’t take mike back. mike’s not allowed back in South Dakota. Its would skew the average IQ down qualifying the entire state for special ed programs and our small schools and limited state budget could not afford the hit. heck, there aren’t enough special needs teachers in the Nation. . .
OS chooses to deny his white privilege. That’s the selfish choice. He’s part of a large group of white males that use denial to salve their guilt. They don’t feel worthy of having more and better opportunities than minorities have and they abandon their duty. So be it. He wouldn’t be much good to “The Struggle” anyway. At least until he gets his head on straight.
According to Politifact, Old Sarg’s claim on Japan not allowing Muslims in their country is a Pants on Fire lie.
Even Rob Tibbetts, the father of Mollie, was upset enough about racist republicans using his daughter to further their anti-immigration agenda that he spoke positively about Hispanics at his daughter Molly’s eulogy. For god’s sakes, leave the Tibbetts family alone, all you racists!
I wonder if there is a valid distinction between the color of a person’s skin when born and the geographical location of one’s mother when a person is born – neither seem to be a choice of the newborn for which he or she should be faulted and discriminated against. OS, however, posts comments that argue it makes all the difference in the world and that the accident of birth justifies hatred and discrimination against those who are born in a particular geography but not those born of a particular skin color. Thus, he tries to justify this distinction by quibbling over a definition of rascism.
It is fascinating how OS can label and judge others due to the accident of being born in a particular geography, yet claim to support those who “stand tall and walk into any setting with pride and confidence” regardless of skin color. I wonder what makes those people who “stand tall and walk into any setting with pride and confidence” regardless of place of birth so worthy of hate and derision by OS. Perhaps it is because OS alone claims to be smart while telling all of the rest of us that we are stupid.
OldSoapdish, Snopes sez you are full of it about Japan and Muslims. We already guessed you were full of it. Now go full victim on me some moar.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/muslims-in-japan/
In 1982, Muslims numbered some 30,000; half of whom were native Japanese and the rest of different origins. With complete freedom of religion in Japan, the number of Muslims is expected to reach 100,000
We won’t take mike back. mike’s not allowed back in South Dakota.
Whose this we, OldScarecrow? Do you have tapeworms?
Porter is on the mark with his privilege comments. My problem with OldSarge’s remarks is that they come filtered through white privilege and he is unaware of that — because so many of us have been fortunate enough to not have experienced racism, we blunder into thinking there is none. But OldSarge does acknowledge there is racism out there – we part paths in how we advocate dealing with it. OS says accept what we cannot change; I say change opportunity to circumvent the racism — legislate opportunity so it must be provided. I may not change hearts and minds, but the law can (and must) ensure access to all of opportunity. I suppose on some level I agree with OS that we cannot ban racism — so we cannot stop at that “easy answer”; we must create pathways to the opportunities denied.
Empowering all is NOT creating victims — it is the opposite.
As a first-generation immigrant, I have lived white privilege. When President Trump (and others) rails against immigrants who come to this country to take “our” jobs and make “us” un-safe, I know he doesn’t mean me; because I am white, I have not been routinely stopped and asked for my citizenship papers. Along the same line, how does Mrs. Trump qualify for a special skills citizenship when others are denied?
“OS chooses to deny his white privilege”~ Porter: yes, I do deny I had any privilege you did not have other than being good looking. I have that.
Bare… I can understand your desire to be respected but your arguments are too circular to make any sense.
Jenny you are sounding more like mike every day: “According to Politifact” is why your views are irrelevant. I never lived in Politifact. I lived in Japan. The official policy of Japan is not to give citizenship to Muslims who do come to Japan. They can visit but guess what? They can’t stay.
I was actually born a poor white boy but I don’t identify by that construct. I actually didn’t know I was poor nor did I actually identify as white or any other color. The color of people’s skin never registered with me until dad was stationed in San Antonio and my grandma lived in Luling Tx. I think it was around 64′. Luling still had segregated pools, restaurants like Kruetz Grocery in Lockhart had white people eating upstairs in a dining room with red and white checkered tablecloths and Mexicans and Blacks ate downstairs in the smokehouse on bare wood tables with butcher knives chained to the table and they served the food on butcher paper. In neither case did we swim in the white’s only pool or eat upstairs. Dad was in the military and wouldn’t segregate his troops nor did he tolerate racism. He said that when he was a young man in southern Indiana the KKK was pretty big and always threatening to burn down the Catholic church and he would have to sit on the steps with a shotgun when they were threatening. Whether you believe me or not is of no real consequence. It was how I was raised and who I modeled myself after. I never tolerated racism between those I worked for, with or worked for me in the military. When I say the perception of “privilege” is within you I mean it. I chose not to judge people by something so shallow as the color of their skin nor do I believe people of a specific color can only vote one way or another. That would be racist and that is my point in this diatribe. You do not know me or the life I lived yet you assume I am privileged because of the color of my skin and whether you like it or not that “assumption” is the definition of racism. You folks are racist and there is no difference between how you are acting than the KKK claiming to being superior to another race or religion. I know I cannot fix you but I was hoping to make you “think”.
OldSarge, it really sounds like we had VERY similar upbringings. Please do not misconstrue my point about white privilege to mean you are overtly racist – my point is that we (plural inclusive) have enjoyed that privilege from society. It is given to us, not earned — it is just that little edge that makes life easier for folk that look like us. Access to loans, a warning from a cop, cultural role models to look up to . . ., so many of the little (and big) things that make getting ahead in the US measurably easier for whites than our brothers and sisters of color.
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/nov/17/viral-image/viral-graphic-says-japan-keeps-out-radical-islam-t/
Polti-Fact tells OldSnotwanker his pants be on fire for lying about Muslims not being able to live in Japan.
from Memepoliceman- Japan doesn’t give citizenship or permanent residency to Muslims.
Not true. The Japanese Constitution is pretty clear in its protection of religion:
Article 20: Freedom of religion is guaranteed to all. No religious organization shall receive any privileges from the State, nor exercise any political authority. 2) No person shall be compelled to take part in any religious acts, celebration, rite or practice. 3) The State and its organs shall refrain from religious education or any other religious activity.
OldSardine, as of right now you are batting zero minus a couple billion.
I didn’t identify as white. There was no need to, Back in the day whitey was told he was better than everyone else because of his whiteness of skin.
There were nasty names for all POC to identify them. Most didn’t come from the POC themselves.
Because you don’t recognize white privilege and how it enveloped you, doesn’t mean it didn’t exist for nearly all whites.
o~ You are right, I’m not saying racism does not exist. What I am saying is if “we” do not make that change within ourselves and no longer tolerate those who continue to tolerate the judgment of others based upon the color of their skin then we are not making things better.
I read you post above and the part I had conflict with was “I may not change hearts and minds, but the law can”. The law cannot or racism would already be gone. heck if you were to go back in history our Declaration of Independence had an immortal declaration of “All are men CREATED equal” yet it was ignored until the Civil War. Even after killing 100’s of thousands of our sons and brothers and the emancipation proclamation there was still racism. Many years later it was the next law, the civil right act and guess what? Yep, still racism. So, what will change things if you pass another law? Nope, laws aren’t going to stop the stupid (nothing specifically applied to mike from idiocy). The ignorant will always be with us but each of us can change within ourselves. Not to toot my own horn but do you realize how difficult it is to come on this site and point out what I see as the obvious knowing I would be called a racist? Now when I even get ready to post though I roll my eyes knowing what is coming. I honestly think Cory does a good service with this site but even when he posts something that has an expectation of a political view simply because of someone’s skin color I think it needs to be called out because Cory is respected by most of you and many of those posting don’t have the sense of a slug, take what Cory posts to heart and then start ranting about ” I used POC instead of the “N” word for Blacks, or the “S” or “W”word for Hispanics that wasicu wasteys use when they are not being wink, wink, racist” and basically demonstrating to the world why he could be considered a threat to the civil society. No, I think it is our place to call out racism in all places but it is even more important to eliminate it from within ourselves.
Selfish is as selfish does.
There is a difference between “descriptive” and “racist.”
Descriptive does not imply judgment.
Racist is all about judgment, as, apparently, is OS.
POC is descriptive.
American Indians or Native Americans is descriptive.
Arabic or Muslim is descriptive.
Ni***** is racist.
Reds**** is racist. (DC football team)
Ragh**** is racist.
OldSarge: to be fair, I did not say the law can chance harts and minds – you cut off the end of my line. What I say is, “I may not change hearts and minds, but the law can (and must) ensure access to all of opportunity.
That is the key: the law must work to guarantee equal opportunity on a unequal playing field.
OldTexas says Islam isn’t allowed in Japan. He also thinks dentists aren’t allowed in Rapid City. You can always tell a Texan. You just can’t tell him much …
https://www.waseda.jp/top/en-news/53405
No conceit in OldSandusky’s family. He has it all.
I point out the obvious, too, OldSharkskin. You are not a victim or the victim you make yerself out to be. It does get tedious to have you remind us Libs we need to totally change to suit you.
mike, you should meet the other 5 siblings. Unlike me they are really right wing.
Old&Saggy, since you don’t know me, please explain how you know that I see a person’s skin color before I see the person. But even you know that the first thing all humans – who are not color blind or visually impaired – notice is a person’s skin color. It’s unavoidable. Next, please point out where I’ve ever blasted “everyone else for being racist and other nonsense when, in fact, it is those of your ilk who are the racist.” I, too, wish you had crayon colored fonts. Reading your comments in multiple colors would be so precious. And nice try to cover up that you didn’t know the definition of POC. lol
I already answered your question with a succinct NO. The fact that it’s not the answer you wanted to your false, contrived, gotcha question is not grounds for you to declare that I said the opposite.
Rick, I don’t know you. I don’t think I ever even addressed you. To me you are nothing but when you say racist things like “first thing all humans – who are not color blind or visually impaired – notice is a person’s skin color.” I think you are not the type of person I would associate with as it appears to me, based upon that statement that you may not have meant in that fashion, it only says one thing “The color of someone’s skin is the first thing I see” and I think that is wrong. I think all of us would be better to look at the person than to be so shallow as to judge someone on the color of one’s skin. I consider that racist at its core. You may not and I can understand that as I have seen a lot of ignorant people on this site. You are no different and probably found a good home for yourself here. Just understand I will still call out your racism as I do in all cases. You may not like me judging you but I don’t care. I think anyone who is so predisposed as to be so blatantly small minded needs to be laid out in public for all to see. Your choice: Keep it up and get what’s coming or shut the hell up and open your mind to equality.
Who are you even talking to Cory?
LOL, I couldn’t care less what you think of me or that you judge me, Old&Saggy. Keep on keepin’ on, old fella. :)
Take a look at OS’s comment that ” I think all of us would be better to look at the person than to be so shallow as to judge someone on the color of one’s skin.”
It seems to suggest that we should not assume anything bad (or good for that matter) about anyone based on a characteristic that is beyond the person’s control, such as skin color. That principle, if valid, would seem to apply across the board.
Hence, relying on the principle that OS says he follows, it would seem improper to judge someone based on where that individual was born, since where an individual is born is a factor beyond that individual’s ability to control, just as skin color is beyond his ability to control.
Given these facts, I would urge OS and anyone else who agrees with this fundamental principle to reflect and perhaps reconsider judging men, women and children born outside of the USA based on stereotype attitudes similar to those who judge people based upon skin color stereotypes. Thus, I would urge OS to follow his own good advice and to disavow each and every of his prior comments asserting negative stereotypical attributes to folks born outside the USA. After all, as OS says, “The ignorant will always be with us but each of us can change within ourselves.”
Just as we should not stereotype our Lakota brothers and sisters simply because they were born on an Indian Reservation, and we shouldn’t stereotype our brothers and sisters due to their skin color, it seems to follow that the same principle should apply to those born outside the USA that seek refuge or a better life in this Country.
Porter~ “it would seem improper to judge someone based on where that individual was born,” that would be true if the person was native to that culture. McCain was born in Panama but he is of the American culture, not the Panamanian culture, and is culture that I am speaking of.
Observance of culture is stereotyping as through observation is how you learn what a people is like. You, on the other hand, make your judgements based upon the color of someone’s skin. I consider that racist. If you would like to address the Lakota culture I would be more than happy. I have always found it interesting. Question: Do you follow the Lakota culture in all ways or just in some ways?
Sorry bare… I thought that was Porter’s post as it seems to have some insight into the Lakota people. I guess I was actually addressing you. Are you Lakota as well?
I’ll judge you, Ol’ Tex by the fact you were educated in Texas. Colorado and Texas are bitter rivals. It goes back to when Texas attacked Colorado during the Civil War at the Battle of Glorieta Pass … Mar 28, 1862.
Culture is an interesting concept, but seems a bit inadequate as a basis to stereotype people. For example, nearly 80% of federal prisoners are US citizens, apparently raised in one of the many cultures of the USA.
https://www.bop.gov/about/statistics/statistics_inmate_citizenship.jsp
That simple fact, however, certainly doesn’t mean anyone born in the USA should be stereotyped as a criminal.
Indeed, just as with race and place of birth, no child has control over the culture in which that person is raised. And, as just as with race or place of birth, people raised in any particular culture do not all share the same ethics or values. Thus, just as with race and place of birth, perhaps “all of us would be better to look at the person than to be so shallow as to judge someone on the” culture in which that person as raised.
There just doesn’t seem to be anyway around it: As OS wrote, “if “we” do not make that change within ourselves and no longer tolerate those who continue to tolerate the judgment of others based upon [the culture in which a child was raised but had no control] then we are not making things better.”
And as an aside, OS has absolutely no basis in fact for his comment: “You, on the other hand, make your judgements based upon the color of someone’s skin.” Actually, I believe and have argued that judgments should only be made based on the content of an individual’s character, as evidenced by the individual’s actions rather than some immutable, uncontrolable characteristic such as skin color, place of birth, or culture. For example, I will only judge OS’s character by his comments on this blog, not based on his perceived skin color, place of birth or culture. That said, I also believe in the power of people to change, thus I can agree with OS that “each of us can change within ourselves” and urge OS to reconsider his condemnation of an entire group of humans based on where they were born and his perception of the culture in which they were raised, as place of birth and culture are factors beyond any child’s control.
Talking to Jason, OS, who just can’t take NO for an answer.
Portly~ “I’ll judge you, Ol’ Tex by the fact you were educated in Texas. Colorado and Texas are bitter rivals.” Actually I was educated in North Carolina, Texas, Mississippi, Okinawa, South Dakota, Colorado and New York.
Bare…~ “And, as just as with race or place of birth, people raised in any particular culture do not all share the same ethics or values.” back to “race” are you? You really need to get past using the color of someone’s skin as a determinant of anything. Being raised Black, Native American, Asian, Pacific Islander or white doesn’t make a person who they are. It is all about “culture”. Nothing else. A good example of this is how well white people from the north east or Asians from the west coast score significantly higher on college entrance exams than do people from the middle of the United States, large urban areas or even Indian reservations. This proves in one small way how culture has so much more impact than race and it is a whole lot more than just how good the schools are. It is how does the community value education, what are the expectations of the student and teachers. What does a parent insist on study time and priorities. Another good example of this culture difference is shown right here in South Dakota. Here we have several Indian reservations. Native Americans can attend any school they would like in the state yet when they live in the community and attend a school like Pine Ridge their test scores are not even in the lease with the rest of the state. This isn’t due to racism. It is the culture. Last month I was in the eastern caribbean and the people were the friendliest you have ever met but culturally they were different. For Americans, when given several tasks such as cooking chicken, rice and beans to complete in an area like your kitchen, you would would cook all three at the same time but in the eastern caribbean they do each one at a time. When Americans and the English see this it makes no sense and seems a waste of time. For those in the caribbean their view is “what is time? Were do you need to go now?” There is even a name given by our culture for this. They call it “Island Time”. My point is: I appreciate your willingness to consider my views but your inability to get past the race of a person and to judge them using race as a factor doesn’t show you are stupid but is does show you haven’t traveled enough to understand the world around you and this kind of disqualifies you from this discussion. Porter is much better as he has experienced two cultures.
OS, I am unsure why you repeatedly say that I use race as a factor to judge people, especially when I have clearly stated otherwise. As for my experiences in the world and around different cultures, you don’t know me, and I have never commented about such experiences, hence you have no idea what I have experienced – so it follows that your statements about my experiences have no basis in fact.
I again urge you to follow your own advice and to change within yourself – people born in different countries or raised in different cultures are not inherently a threat to you or any American and do not deserve to be stereotyped by you or anyone else.
I have stated my opinion and see no particular benefit in further discussing the matter with you at this time. I hope you can find your way to stop negatively stereotyping innocent people based on factors over which they have had no control, but if not, then so be it.
Bare… ~ read your own words aloud to yourself: “And, as just as with race or place of birth, people raised in any particular culture do not all share the same ethics or values.”
“Just as with race” you included race as a determinant. You used race to make a decision. That is racist by definition. Rethink your words and change your usage within yourself. Move away from judging, identifying or associating people based upon the color of their skin. That is not what makes a person.
OS, perhaps I was not articulate as necessary for you to understand. My point is that people are indivduals regardless of whatever inherent characteristic they are born with. In my view, one should not stereotype people based on race, place of birth or cultural upbringing. Obviously, you have a different perspective as you now seek justify your negative stereotypes based on cultural upbringing. Gotta go now, hope that helps.
bare…~ I think I do understand what you are meaning but not having an understand as culture can be a very dangerous thing. Culture is much more than what you wear or eat. For me it is honoring ownership, independence, freedom of thought, religion and speech. It is loving my wife and taking no other woman as a wife. It is not stealing or taking what is not mine. I spent a year in another culture where a wife was simply property and if her husband was removed another man would just take her as his property and that was seen as acceptable within that culture. They saw young boys as a source for their sexual satisfaction. They accepted killing their own neighbor and taking what was his and this was ok. This is not a culture I wish to exist within ours. I know, I know you will say “But that is not what is happening here!” I have to argue with you on that. The Lutheran church has worked (for money) pretty damn hard to bring that to Minnesota. I know that people will read that and think “how could he say such a thing?” because it is of their culture and what they view as acceptable behavior. It is not a race issue. It is culture. peace
That’s not real. It’s the story soldiers are told to make them go ape sh** and hate the enemy. It’s a tactic as old as Sun Tzu and you sucked it up like cheap Mezcal.
Now I’d say you weren’t educated in any of those places. Properly, anyway.
Portly believe whatever you want. Read this: “LSS of Minnesota CEO: Refugee resettlement is not new” https://www.sctimes.com/story/news/local/immigration/2016/01/05/lss-minnesota-ceo-refugee-resettlement-not-new/78315780/
I know all about the peaceful Muslims in MN. And, I know the Russian propaganda that you’re parroting. And, I know if you were in the Middle East war zone, you never left the Green Zone. And, I know you didn’t speak the language so everything you know was just military indoctrination. You’re an unwitting Russian influencer … whether you want to be or not. FOOL!!
Portly, you don’t mean to call me names. You are above that kind of child like behavior. You should invite one of your islamic friends on here to comment. I am sure one of your peaceful friends would be happy to give their opinion instead of you giving it for them. Let them speak for themselves and don’t be so presumptuous that you know all of them and their cultural behaviors. Even I don’t claim to be all-knowing. It would actually be nice to hear what they have to say.
Thanks, Cory.
In 1948, LSS started their programs of resettlement. We are all blessed to have them and I for one, salute them through their difficult times with bigots and racists.
“LSS began providing resettlement services for refugees as early as 1948, when we resettled displaced people from Europe following World War II. While the origin of populations resettled will shift depending on current global conflicts, LSS continues to provide these services as an important part of our mission.” https://www.lsssd.org/what-we-do/family-services/center-for-new-americans/index.html
Can I get an rah rah for the LSS team! Also, take a look at what they do for the elderly, what a wonderful group of folks.
You’re welcome.
It would not surprise me to find out that Mr. Seiler shows up in Eagle Butte for the outstanding CRST Fair and Rodeo this weekend. Incedible place with great folks and good good food. First place I ever had ka-bobs, courtesy of the Faith Sheep Growers who had a booth there. I have never forgotten that meal and remember their kindness as well as the way they prepared it each time I have it now. Yummy. If you have never been there, this is a great weekend to go and have some fun, check out the horse races. https://www.crazycrow.com/site/event/cheyenne-river-sioux-tribe-pow-wow-fair-rodeo/
Ever had Navajo Ach’ii? Here’s a photo of a sheep load, pan full. (ayóo áhálniih – delicious)
http://navajotimes.com/news/2007/090607achii
@Jerry … Faith was one of the best places I’ve ever lived. Great people.
Porter, I’ve visited the Diné res and Hopi mesas. Never had an opportunity to eat ach’ii, but I did follow your link and now I’m glad I never had a chance to eat ach’ii. 😊 Mutton is fine, if you know how to fix it, and my mother did. But the other part? Not so much.