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GF&P Tells Hunters to Wait on Chasing Mountain Lions with Dogs

Cry Havoc! and let slip the dogs of warbut don’t be siccing your pooches on the mountain lions, says the Game Fish and Parks Commission:

The South Dakota Game, Fish and Parks Commission has set aside a request that would have let hunters use hounds for taking a dozen mountain lions a year in the Black Hills Fire Protection District.

The panel on Thursday chose instead to have the state Wildlife Division take a new look at population objectives for mountain lions as well as elk and deer in the Black Hills.

…The South Dakota Houndsmen Association wanted the commission to allow dogs to be used in the Black Hills Fire Protection District to take up to 12 lions, with sub-limits of six females and six males.

Wildlife program administrator Andrew Norton presented projections that indicated letting hound-using hunters take a dozen lions would lead to fewer lions in the Black Hills or come at the expense of dog-less “boot” hunters, whose success rate is much lower.

The 2023 season for the Black Hills that opened December 26, 2022, and closed April 30, 2023, saw hunters report 44 lions harvested, including 28 females and 16 males. The average number of female lions taken from the Black Hills during the past four seasons was 26, according to Norton, who said that continuing at the 26 pace would eventually cause the Black Hills lion population to decline [Bob Mercer, “Houndsmen Denied Wider Use of Dogs on Lion Hunts,” KELO-TV, 2023.09.07].

Risking my dog, or a bunch of dogs, just to get an easier shot at a mountain lion doesn’t sound like my idea of a pleasant walk in the woods. But the GF&P Commission didn’t completely shut the door on the South Dakota Houndsmen‘s pursuits; GF&P will continue to study population trends among the mountain lions and see if there may be more room for hunting with dog packs in future hunting seasons.


  1. Arlo Blundt 2023-09-08 13:13

    The Mountain Lions in the Black Hills originated in the Big Horns and have established a breeding population in the Hills. Males tend to move out of the Hills and follow a long, circular route, searching for deer to eat and females. A couple years ago, a male Mountain Lion was shot and killed in suburban Chicago. DNA indicated it was a member of the Big Horn pack, and probably had traveled through South Dakota, Minnesota, and Wisconsin before setting up shop in the north Chicago suburbs. Mountain Lions are extremely adaptable and dangerous when stressed. They will move about searching for a reliable food source and a female, if one turns up.

  2. e platypus onion 2023-09-08 13:23

    Hunting lions with hounds allows sportsmen and women to identify and not shoot so many females. As for the younger males they are driven out of the hills and many have passed throgh iowa to points farther East, searching for new territories.

  3. jerry 2023-09-08 15:01

    We have been seeing lions for decades in South Dakota. Not just in the Black Hills, but also near the Missouri River. GF&P was forced to acknowledge them until one got itself run over near Spearfish, I think. Hunting them with a pack of dogs is how the wealthy used to hunt stags and eveything else back in the old country. So it’s only fitting that the oligarchs would want to bring that back. Let them all hunt on foot…with a 6 inch knife, seems only fair.

  4. Arlo Blundt 2023-09-08 18:23

    Lions are often sited in northern Wisconsin (I saw one cross the road in front of me one night) and it was said that they were Canadian Mountain Lions that had passed into the Boundary Waters and crossed over. Others thought they migrated from the Upper Peninsula of Michigan. DNA testing has shown they originate with the Big Horn Pack and that they came here from the Black Hills.

  5. All Mammal 2023-09-08 18:37

    What is the point of killing a mountain lion? Why kill a predator that minds its own business? Can there be a reason outside of mommy issues and revenge for being dealt mini manhoods? Some gunny bunnies need to get their angry inches under control. The cougars aren’t laughing at it.

  6. cibvet 2023-09-08 22:42

    I fail to understand the “sporting” value of treeing any animal and shooting out of a tree.
    Pheasant farms, using dogs, feeding bears garbage.Nothing more than a canned hunts
    that so called hunters measure their d**ks with.

  7. P. Aitch 2023-09-09 02:05

    I got to ask The Donald about the “You kill it, you eat it.” manly hunting code tonight in RapTown.
    “Well, let me tell you folks, the “If you kill it then you eat it” code of manly hunting is a tremendous code, okay? It’s all about respect, success, and self-sufficiency like you’ve never seen before. When you’re out there in the wilderness, taking down mighty beasts with your own two hands, it’s only right that you honor that animal by making use of every part of it. That’s how real men hunt!

    Now, this code, it’s not just about the hunt itself, folks. It’s about responsibility. It’s about showing gratitude for the resources we’ve been given and making sure nothing goes to waste. You know, we live in a great nation built on hard work, and this code embodies the spirit of that hard work. It’s about providing for yourself and your loved ones, the American way.

    So, you go out there, you track your prey, you shoot it with skill and precision, and then you take it home. And you don’t just let it sit in the freezer, folks. No way! You roll up your sleeves, fire up that grill, and you cook that meat to perfection. And let me tell you, there’s nothing more satisfying than sitting down to a meal you’ve earned with your own blood, sweat, and tears. EAT MORE CATS!!

    But you see, this code, it’s more than just a set of rules. It’s a mindset. It’s a way of life. It’s about embracing the wild, tapping into your primal instincts, and feeling the thrill of the hunt coursing through your veins. It’s about being in touch with nature and appreciating the beauty and power of the animal kingdom.

    So, my friends, let’s make hunting great again, alright? Let’s continue to uphold the “If you kill it then you eat it” code of manly hunting and show the world what it truly means to be a hunter. Together, we can preserve our traditions, honor the land, and savor the flavors of our own success. Thank you and God bless you all!
    – AI Generated ~ fully comedy curated & edited by P. Aitch

  8. jerry 2023-09-09 04:44

    They taste just like chicken

  9. P. Aitch 2023-09-09 06:23

    I only know of one restaurant in this city that serves cat. It’s not mountain lion, though. It’s African lion. As a chef I’m dedicated and proud to know everything there is to know about food from farm to table to human nutrition but I’ve not eaten or prepared cat.

  10. mick 2023-09-09 08:13

    Hunting should be outlawed and hunters should be terminated with extreme prejudice.

  11. grudznick 2023-09-09 08:35

    Mr. Lansing, I’ll take my eggs basted, if a short order cook like you can pull that off. Sausage, sausage gravy on my taters, extra taters, and a whole pumpkin pie you buy from Sysco. Wipe your hands on your apron first, please.

  12. larry kurtz 2023-09-09 08:38

    Kill off apex predators like wolves and cougars, spray atrazine, neonicotinoids and glyphosate on everything then wonder why cervids like deer and wapiti contract a prion contagion like chronic wasting disease.

    Combine the absence of cultural fire, the extirpation of apex predators, the resulting rise of mesopredators, increasing numbers of domestic livestock, dogs and cats then stir in a melange of industrial chemicals with climate change and voila: red state collapse on parade!

  13. leslie 2023-09-09 09:32

    Ah yes, our billionaire owners. Fly in the private jet to RCRAP, helicopter out to the hilltop mansion, drinks/bison steaks with “friends”, trailer-up four wheelers in brand-new black air conditioned GMC 350 fueled pups, drink and dine all-night before the hunt in waiting set-up canvas, wood-floored camp at horse-camp on the wilderness boundary.

    Barking dogs delivered and released by handlers in the morning. A good time for all the hung-over “men” (some of RC’s finest professionals and Republican-elected know nothings, and the NRA women turned cougar-snipers.) Botox babes.

    Kristi could show up just in time, on a pre-warmed Indian bike and swagger over in brand new black leather fitted chaps over her soft blue NYC fashion denims to be one of the trigger-fingers.

    State-employed Photo-ops.

    Then she can commander the forest fire attack group rendered from her Trump party fireworks, in the afternoon after lunch at the Black Hills finest establishment.

    More. Photo-ops.

    Fiction? We shall see the irreparable Republican brand replaced by a new billionaire name. X? Meta?

    Know Nothing Party!

    perhaps some levity after RC’s big embarrassing night last night, of pretend grown-ups. Trump Noem 2024 jail! Please.

  14. John 2023-09-09 10:09

    Cougars, black bears, grizzly bears, and wolves are endemic to the Black Hills. They “didn’t come from the Bighorns”.

  15. P. Aitch 2023-09-09 11:17

    Puttin’ you on a diet, grudz. You’re a mess.

  16. jerry 2023-09-09 12:01

    Do you serve the African Lion with or without Zebra? As horse meat is kinda dry, all of this has to be breaded and in some seriously thick gravvy. What is your secret sauce? Will not tell a soul. Write it in crypto.

  17. P. Aitch 2023-09-09 12:50

    Jerry – Don’t ask me. I don’t cook it or serve it. If you’re truly curious Google “The Buckhorn Exchange”, It has liquor license No. 01 in Denver and Buffalo Bill used to drink there back when grudz was a teenager. #grins

  18. P. Aitch 2023-09-09 13:03

    @Jerry – Never mind, sir. I just checked their menu as I’ve not been in The Buckhorn in a long time. They still have the obligatory in Colorado calves nuts, alligator, rattlesnake, and of course elk but no longer any lion. Covid, I suppose. Oh, well.

  19. P. Aitch 2023-09-09 13:26

    Bottom line still is, “If you kill it, you eat it.” Even if it’s a primal pussy cat and your one term President wants to grab it.

  20. e platypus onion 2023-09-09 14:23

    According to old history and mountain man diaries, some mountain men preferred cougar meat over buffalo and deer. There is a guy who lives in Nevada and writes stories in F-F-G about trapping and pursuing cats with hounds. He claims he never wastes any meat from animals he and his family kill, including coyote. The guy’s name is Jack Spencer, Jr in case you want advice on how to eat the inedible.

  21. P. Aitch 2023-09-09 14:33

    Don’t get the chef wrong, Jerry. Cat meat if fully edible. I’ve eaten horse and I’ve eaten dog and I’ve eaten snake and gator. I’m sure cat meat wouldn’t offend me. I just wouldn’t want to have fifty pounds of cat burger to put through my colon when I ain’t starving. Why kill a cougar, ‘ya know? It’s been said a couple times here already. Men kill cougars to compensate for their small penis.

  22. larry kurtz 2023-09-09 14:45

    You really want to get me started on toxoplasmosis, guys?

  23. P. Aitch 2023-09-09 15:17

    What’s the worst meat I’ve eaten? First I’ll say that moose and caribou are my favorite. But a big ‘ol mouthful of autumn black bear 🐻 is like biting into a pork chop back in the 60’s, before farmers started setting pigs at 250 pounds, and then pouring your mouth full of cooking oil. Yeah. Bear is that greasy whereas a wild pheasant is so dry it’s not worth the cheap mushroom soup it’s cooked in. Just opinions of course. I never tell people what tastes they should like. I’m a cook not a doctor.

  24. P. Aitch 2023-09-09 15:38

    But if I was asked for nutrition advice here’s ten foods to avoid, from tenth to worst, for your body and brain.
    10 – alcohol
    09 – fast food
    08 – salty food
    07 – fried food
    06 – refined grains
    05 – processed meat
    04 – trans fatty foods (microwave popcorn, frozen pizza, doughnuts, and French fries)
    03 – candy and sweet foods
    02 – ultra processed foods ( Flamin’ Hot Cheetos, and sugary breakfast cereals)
    01 – The worst thing you can choose to put in your belly is soda (Even diet soda can be harmful because of the artificial sweeteners. Research has linked sugar substitutes to an elevated risk of stroke, heart disease, and death, according to the Mayo Clinic

  25. jerry 2023-09-09 17:19

    I’ve eaten rattlesnake, not a favorite. But you can buy rattlesnake in a few outlets like Walmart or Amazon for a couple . We used to eat snapping turtles when I was a kid, very very good. Got to be on your toes or you won’t have them long. Actually had seasons then so there were live creeks and water. I trapped muskrat as a kid so we ate them too. Pretty tasty with taters and gravvy. Either in a slow cooker or pressure cooker. I never had a need to trap or shoot a cat so never did eat one and probably would have to get real hungry, drunk or both to have gone at one. I did trap a big tomcat once, Man, he was mad as hell and I had a hard time getting him out of the trap, but he wasn’t caught to bad so he was a little sore, but okay. Lucky I had on my 5 buckle or he would have done me some harm.

  26. P. Aitch 2023-09-09 17:56

    Good story, Jerry.

  27. leslie 2023-09-09 21:26

    Nice reminder P. I hadn’t been to the Buckhorn Exchange in 4 decades. Now the near mountains i just summited suggest I may next time in the big city.

    And, nice list at 15:38! The “food” industry, like fossil fuel, would prefer to kill us all and retire to its jets and bunkers.

    the nxt 4 decades shall prove interesting and dicey.

    Just listen to these billionaires talk. Trump, Musk, Ellison etc.

    But Branson and Soros and others have hummanity closer to heart, seeing the forest for the trees. We can’t be selling lawmaking to the highest bidder. And SCOTUS is going to get cleaned up. Big election coming up again, 2024.

    But South Dakota has already sold its soul. I shall not participate.

  28. John 2023-09-10 10:19

    The cougar hound hunters (double entendre) would fly the face of South Dakota’s harsh hunting trespass law.
    Unless, of course, if the GFP is able to train the cougars to remain on public land; or the cougar hunters are able to train their hounds to remain on public land.
    A solution would be to reduce the harsh hunting trespass law to that used in the 1960s.

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