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Will You Vote for a Convicted Felon for President? Johnson and Thune: Hommina-Hommina…; Rounds: Tim Scott!

KELO-TV asks South Dakota’s Congressional delegation whether they would support a convicted felon for President in the 2024 general election. At least two thirds of the delegation fails to answer the question:

Representative Dusty Johnson: Oh, it’s way too early to talk about a general election when we’re in the primary. There was a pretty robust debate the other night. It looked like there are a lot of candidates who had a pretty good vision for America, and I understand so many people want to just stay focused on Donald Trump, but I think we do a huge disservice to the electoral process when we focus on one guy when you’ve got a whole group of folks who want to bring forth their vision for this country, so, listen, I’ll talk about November once we’re through June.” [Representative Dusty] Johnson said.

Senator John Thune: Well, I mean, I think it’s pretty early to make any pronouncements about that. We’re just kind of at the early stages of a judicial process that’s going to play out over the next several months. It falls in the middle of a political season. I’m reluctant at this point to make any pronouncements about what we may or may not do. I think you got to let this process play out, see what conclusions our justice system comes to, what that might mean for the former president, not only as a legal matter but also in terms of the political campaign that’s already underway.

Senator Mike Rounds: I’m still really fired up that Tim Scott is going to be that nominee, and I look forward to supporting someone who my kids would be proud of as well. And so for me, I’m past that point of supporting the former president. I am looking forward to supporting Tim Scott [Dan Santella, KELO-TV, video posted to Twitter, transcribed by CAH/DFP, 2023.08.24].

Rounds rejects Thune’s and Johnson’s dodge that it’s way too early to talk about the general election, as do I. Anyone voting in the Republican primary needs to be thinking ahead about whether they dare nominate an accused felon and whether they could still defend sending that defendant to the White House if that defendant is found guilty of election fraud, insurrection, mishandling classified documents, and/or falsifying business records.

Johnson’s dodge about the “disservice” we do to the electoral process by focusing on one guy hints at a correct answer, but Johnson could actually support his advocacy for paying attention to other candidates’ good visions for America by answering Santella’s question directly: No, I wouldn’t support Trump if he’s convicted. He doesn’t have a vision for America; he has a vision only for pardoning himself. I’m focused on the other candidates who have real visions for America, and so should you be!

Rounds still commits dodges of his own. He avoids any discussion of the charges against Trump or whether a felony conviction or attempted insurrection should disqualify a candidate from the Presidency. Rounds predicates his response on the campaign-marketing assertion that the man he and Thune have endorsed, South Carolina Senator Tim Scott, will be the nominee. While Rounds further premises his rejection of Trump on looking forward to supporting someone his kids can be proud of—with the clear implication that he and his kids cannot be proud of Trump, a point on which I’d love to hear Rounds elaborate—that moral condition is still intertwined with the Scott-as-nominee condition. If the latter condition fails (and Scott currently ranks sixth in the Real Clear Politics national polling average; at this point in the 2020 campaign, the person running in sixth place for the Democratic nomination was Beto O’Rourke, who quit the race on November 1, 2019), Rounds does not make clear if the former condition alone would suffice to keep him “past that point  of supporting the former president.”

Rounds says he’s not supporting Trump for President, but even Rounds did not directly say that he would not support a convicted Trump if that felon is the party’s Presidential nominee.


  1. larry kurtz 2023-08-28 07:37

    Recall Republican former South Dakota Governor Mike Rounds won election to the US Senate for advocating the dissolution of the US Department of Education and in 2015 the state’s legislature passed a resolution to abolish it.

    Yes, police unions get the cash but teachers’ unions get the shaft.

    Blurring one line between church and state America’s founders extolled the virtue of education as local schools were run both by christian sects and by local municipalities under the Tenth Amendment to the US Constitution.

    But it was not until 1867 and Reconstruction made public education a federal prerogative when President Andrew Johnson created a Department of Education as a proxy for race politics. Missionaries were hired then dispatched to the Deep South to provide schooling for whites and Negroes alike and Roman Catholics were enabled in the American West to assimilate Indigenous youth. Congress was incensed then demoted the Education Department after a year making it part of the Interior Department yet abuses continued.

    Fast-forward to the Red Scare, Brown vs. Board of Education, President Eisenhower then to the 1960s when the Elementary and Secondary Education Act was passed to relieve some of the effects of poverty and segregation despite Section 604 which forbade federal control of education.

    The concept of a charter school began in 1971 as a progressive movement but especially in red states has since been hijacked by the far white wing of the Republican Party to advance the New Apostolic Reformation. Dominion theology supposes christians must control the seven “mountains” of government, education, media, arts and entertainment, religion, family, and business in order to establish a global christianic theocracy and prepare the world for Jesus’ return. Many catholic schools are in the Hillsdale bubble because the curriculum ignores the church’s role in ethnic cleansing.

    President Jimmy Carter created the modern Department of Education amidst the howls from Republicans who renounce the decision to integrate schools to the present day. Ronald Reagan moved to kill the Department of Education and when Republican Newt Gingrich was Speaker of the House he was all about getting rid of DoE, too. Then came No Child Left Behind and a DoE budget that exceeds $70 billion annually.

    During the Earth haters’ debate the other night half of the candidates on that dais, including North Dakota Governor Doug Bergum, embarrassed himself by expectorating all over the Department of Education.

  2. sx123 2023-08-28 08:23

    The non-beat-around-the-bush answer is obviously “No”, but, there aren’t any felons running for president that I know of, so until there are, it is a bit presumptuous.

  3. John 2023-08-28 08:27

    Small Johnson gives the weakest answer (again). That was not a debate. It was an audition by 6 for vice president. Their vision for America was doubling down on the failed trump policies, increasing inflation via increasing tariffs, and giving Putin what he wants. They have no immigration policy, save a Maginot Wall. They all voted against immigration reform when and where they had the opportunity. (Meanwhile the US has a worker shortage and colleges are closing and consolidating for lack of students.) They parrot-whine about the imaginary weaponizing the justice department without a shred of evidence. Was the justice department weaponized when it convicted Nixon’s White House plumbers? Of course not.

    Thune’s carping about early stages . . . what’s he waiting for . . . as if hiring prostitutes, paying hush money, civil judgments on assault, defamation judgments, and a judge’s declaration that trump raped his accuser . . . isn’t enough for Thune? Is that the political role model Thune emulates, or the one he holds out to children and grandkids as a republican north star

    And not-so Rounds’ Tim Scott, a man in search of a crowd to follow. All I’ve heard Scott do is baselessly parrot the weaponize the justice department talking point. It’s paradoxical how Rounds support of Scott is not a strong indirect support of trump since Scott latches on to trump and refuses to distance himself from the charged felon.

    Oh does South Dakota need a statesman. South Dakota hasn’t had a statesman since Mickelson, Daschle, Johnson, and Herseth-Sandlin.

  4. Loren 2023-08-28 08:30

    That is why I love Johnnie. He can twist himself into more shapes than carnival pretzel. The question was not about the primary or who would be the best candidate. I was a simple, “Would you vote for a convicted felon: 1.)Yes 2.) No 3.) I am a chameleon. Want to see me change color?”

  5. jerry 2023-08-28 09:12

    The Disqualification Clause
    Section 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment provides:
    No Person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and VicePresident, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who,
    having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or
    as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support
    the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the
    same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of
    each House, remove such disability.

    The traitor does not qualify, so why can’t our three bums just say so?

  6. e platypus onion 2023-08-28 09:40

    Round’s judgment? Isn’t this the putz that built a new home n a flood plain in South Duhkota?

  7. Edwin Arndt 2023-08-28 09:50

    I will not vote for Joe Biden. Now if the democrats would nominate somebody like
    Joe Manchin, I might consider voting for a democrat.

  8. Donald Pay 2023-08-28 10:10

    Look, whether Trump is convicted or not of what he is charged with, he’s unfit for office. He was unfit for office when he ran in 2016, and he proved he was unfit for office during the four years he mis-served the country. You can agree with some of his policies, but that doesn’t mean the guy should ever be President again. I’d like a commonsense conservative to run as a Republican. That ain’t Trump. Grudz and I agree on this, and when Grudz and I agree on something you know it’s correct. Just watching the Republican debate, I liked Christie, Hutchinson and Haley. I’d still vote for Biden, but at least I wouldn’t be afraid for the future of the country if either of those three were running.

  9. O 2023-08-28 10:31

    It’s an unfair question: “Would you vote for a Republican convicted felon?” is VERY different from “would you vote for a Democrat convicted felon?” Why do we and the press continue to pretend that party does not come first?

  10. Dicta 2023-08-28 10:43

    I know we all love to trash the current version of the right, but you have to give Rounds his due for answering the question. The other two are still clearly fighting to move up the ladder and have to play ball with an increasingly unhinged base, but Rounds at least seems to be trying to show some sense of principle.

  11. Donald Pay 2023-08-28 11:58

    Yup, Dicta, he answered the question. That’s a pretty low bar, but for politicians these days it’s something.

  12. O 2023-08-28 12:41

    Round’s answer is not an answer to the question. Sure he backs a non-Trump Republican now, but let’s see in the general election when it is Trump as their nominee if he falls in to the party line.

  13. Arlo Blundt 2023-08-28 12:59

    Tim Scott vs. Beto O’Rourke for President in 2024 would make for a great campaign. They would bring a whole new set of issues to the fore. The campaign would turn the page on American History and we could move on to the next century.

  14. jerry 2023-08-28 13:43

    Beto couldn’t get a win in Texas. Tim Scott, kinda like Herman Cain in so many many ways. We are already in the century and if we don’t take care of our Mother, we won’t see the next century.

  15. jerry 2023-08-28 13:46

    the cult master, trump, says impeach Biden…so Dirty Johnson will vote hell yes. A common criminal leads a party. Not since Hitler or that douche bag in Italy, are we seeing this.

  16. jerry 2023-08-28 13:55

    September 6, 2023, chubby trumpy will be the arraignment in Georgia. Sad day for the country…not even. 13 felony counts and two of our congress folks are shrugging their shoulders. Rounds says Tim Scott, whatever the hell that means.

  17. Arlo Blundt 2023-08-28 14:19

    I’m not surprised that Senator Rounds has formed a personal friendship with fellow Republican Senator Tim Scott. Probably a case of proximity. They are close alphabetically, in tenure, and South Dakota and South Carolina are next each other on the Senate seating chart. Rounds is a garrulous, friendly Irishman, and like another Irish Catholic Senator, Ted Kennedy, probably has a lot of social friends in the Senate. Kennedy even had a warm, personal relationship with Strom Thurmond, Ronald Reagan loved to sit around over Irish whiskey and share jokes with Democrat stalwart Tip O’Neal, Biden, always one of the most Liberal Democrats during his long Senate tenure, often found common ground to form compromises with his Republican, Senate friends. That’s how Irishmen are.They are tribal, good humored, and they won’t ruin the opportunity for a good laugh by provoking an unreasonable argument. While the Irish like a good argument, they drop it as soon as the bell rings and the drinks are poured.

  18. e platypus onion 2023-08-28 17:06

    Joe Manchin bit the green wienie. He is for whatever increases Joe Manchin’s wealth at the expense of the population and environment. He wants to burn more coal and even more coal because he has lots of it. He isn’t even a strong Democrat. Likely to jump over to magats next year.

  19. grudznick 2023-08-28 17:33

    This will surprise those of you libbies who don’t pay attention or listen or read well and cast aspersions across all conservatives, but grudznick will not support Mr. Trump, convicted or not. How’s that grab ya?

    Related, did Mr. H blog yet about how much practice Mr. Trump put into his mug shot? It is a very neato mug shot, you must give him that.

  20. Bob Newland 2023-08-28 18:34

    John Thune can fit more “and, uh”s and “y’know”s into a non-response than most anybody.

  21. P. Aitch 2023-08-28 18:55

    For grudznichts, who doesn’t pay attention or listen or read well and casts aspersions across all “We the Winners” aka liberals, you live in South Dakota, son. It doesn’t matter who you vote for because a South Dakota vote counts for less than a salad at breakfast.

  22. O 2023-08-28 19:17

    My Dear Grudznick, does “grudznick will not support Mr. Trump, convicted or not.” mean that you will support his opposition?

  23. grudznick 2023-08-28 20:14

    Mr. O, just like last time, grudznick will vote for somebody running against Mr. Trump, should he end up on the ticket in the general election. Cross my heart with gravy and hope to die, which of course is an option for all of us before this next election thing happens. Some more than most.

    Some people have to live with theirownselfs, and what matters most is being true to theierownselfs. Not who contributes to the “winning”, Mr. P.h. I can tell you have little self-respect by the middle school name-calling, but when you get to be my age you’ll mature a bit.

    I’m letting one of your skinny goats out tonight. It has been shaved.

  24. Dicta 2023-08-28 20:24

    Respect, Grudz

  25. Richard Schriever 2023-08-28 20:30

    The time is never right to talk about gun law reform. The time is never right to talk about Republican criminality. Contrary to the old adage about a broken clock being the right time twice a day, For the likes of Thune and Johnson, their time is never right. They are more broken to a broken clock, that’s how broken they are..

  26. P. Aitch 2023-08-28 21:04

    grudz knows it doesn’t matter who votes for who in SD. Trump will win the state. You’ll have two Republican Senators, a Republican Representative, and a Republican Governor. Your legislature will be 95 % Republican.

    What does matter is how the rest of us in America vote because no matter the results just listed above when Joe “Steady” Biden beats Trump for President, if you’re on our Democratic team you’re a bigger winner than Rounds, Thune, Johnson, and Noem put together.

    They’ll suck socks and you’ll be popping the bubbly.

  27. grudznick 2023-08-28 21:20

    The “real” Democratic fellows in South Dakota aren’t so quick to throw in the towel, Mr. P.h. There are some fellows who try to stick it out and stand by their positions, no matter how wrong or misguided they may be. This is why grudznick was a big Mr. Seiler supporter, bigger than most, because Mr. Seiler was an ethical and principled Democratic fellow. There are some. Look at your shadow, Mr. onion, who is from Iowa. He has a losing battle in front of him, and can only take solice that for the moment there is a Democratic President. He is doomed to lose in all statewide measures, yet he stands by his guns. There are few things I can appreciate an out-of-state name-caller for, but his steadiness is probably one.

  28. DaveFN 2023-08-28 22:04


    Whoever you are (and I can but guess), your comments ever and consistently pertinent. Hat’s off to you.

  29. P. Aitch 2023-08-28 23:28

    grudznichts knows P. Aitch never calls people untrue and inaccurate names.
    – While it can be tempting to argue that calling someone names that are true depictions isn’t wrong, it is important to consider the impact such behavior can have on individuals and relationships. Here are a few reasons why calling names, even if the names are true, can still be considered wrong:

    1. Emotional harm: Calling someone names, regardless of accuracy, can still be emotionally damaging. It can lead to feelings of humiliation, embarrassment, and diminished self-worth, impacting a person’s mental well-being.

    2. Lack of empathy: Engaging in name-calling can show a lack of empathy and understanding towards others. It disregards the possible effects it may have on someone’s emotional state and can create an environment of disrespect and hostility.

    3. Relationship strain: Name-calling can put strain on relationships, whether it be with a friend, family member, or coworker. It creates a negative dynamic and can erode trust and communication, making it harder to resolve conflicts or foster healthy relationships.

    4. Limiting growth and change: If someone is constantly labeled with negative names, it can hinder personal growth and the ability to change their behavior or circumstances. Instead of fostering understanding and growth, name-calling may lead to defensiveness, resistance, and a lack of willingness to address or learn from their actions.

    It is essential to strive for respectful communication and understanding when addressing concerns or conflicts, promoting empathy and kindness.

    LOL – P. Aitch is belly laughing Lol 😂

  30. Mike Lee Zitterich 2023-08-29 07:31

    Donald Trump is the Executive of the Republic, and we all know, the REPUBLIC is in the works of being Restored.

    When the PEOPLE are reorganizing themselves, putting back together the Republic, the ACTORS currenlty in our place will be removed one way or the other. Lets just hope we do not have a civil war, lets hope, that the WE THE PEOPLE TO SAVE THE REPUBLIC are meeting very aggressively today, to fill all the vacant At-Large Seats, from the 1871 Insurrection, that led to the Reconstruction of America that led to the Deep State Actors – Holy Roman Empire, the International Bankers, collaborating with Congress to form the UNITED STATES COMPANY.

    I am living in a historic time period, we are in the midst of a Second Revolution, “WE THE PEOPLE OF THE REPUBLIC’ are working together to appoint true Americans back into those vacant seats – U.S Senate, U.S House, Electors for the President, our Governor, Lt. Governor, Attorney General, Secretary of State, State Treasurer, State Auditor, Land Commissioner, right down to our S.D Senate and S.D House, to the Local Judges, the County Sheriffs, etc.

    By the time of our elections, we are using the Right of Succession, to Install these men and women into those vacant seats, and when it is said and done, we will have restored the REPUBLIC, grab full control of the Federal Govt, while getting rid of all the Alphabet Agencies, the Department of Education, Energy, Commerce, Defense, Homesland Security, let alone Restore the Original 1789 Departments of State, Treasurer, War, and Interior.

    This movement began in 2007, lead to the beginning of the 2010 Tea Party Movement, installing our Men and women in Congress, slowing down the growth of the central government, led to the America First Policies being drafted, to the Rise of Our President Donald Trump.

    2017-2021 was the Term of which we Declared Our Proclamation, Took Back the Supreme Court, Adopted Executive Orders 13848, 13959, and 13971 to which are being used to Investigate the Biden’s, the Clintons, the Bushes, the Deep State Actors…

    We knew they would fight back, however, WE are not done yet, and by 2040, WE will complete the job we started – The Republic will be restored.

  31. larry kurtz 2023-08-29 08:03

    Just say it: radical christianic terrorism. The End Days fulfill a prophesy and welcome a supernatural extraterrestrial to create a one-world government. No higher being could be anything but predatory. It’s dystopian fantasy run amok.

  32. Nick Nemec 2023-08-29 08:19

    Despite his claims or the claims of any of his cult members Donald Trump is not the executive of the republic. Claims that the duly elected President is an actor and “will be removed one way or the other” are tantamount to treason and are a veiled death threat against the President of the United States.

    I’m not well versed in all the conspiracy theories spouted by the American right wing over the last 160 years but they are a dangerous bunch and history has shown that when they are allowed to spout their crackpot theories unchallenged bad things will happen.

  33. All Mammal 2023-08-29 08:21

    Anyone who follows America First and self-proclaimed incel, Nick Fuentes, is going the same route as the loser lost causers. Gullible evangelicals who were taught to not trust their own eyes, but to trust in their faith, are preconditioned to follow an orange portobello peter raping traitor. White supremacists are just tools for soft little puds like Fuentes and Trump. No sane person gives their vote to a rich boy who went to Korea as POTUS and is so dumb, he saluted a North Korean general! You should give your vote to Marianne Williamson if you just want to be different. At least she did not rape a bunch of people or say more than fifty times she wants to have sex with her daughter.

  34. Donald Pay 2023-08-29 09:00

    Mike Z. reminds me of the lost cause leftists in the 1970s. Like Mike Z., they had their imaginary utopia they were striving toward. Inevitably, people get tired of the inanities that lead nowhere, and some of them become violent. There are multiple splits and tendencies on the right, just as there were on the left. There are lots of egos involved. Mike Z. is kind of a very localized and dumbed-down and rightist version of Bob Avakian, spouting a lot of theory and bullcrap that sways a few lost souls. Still, Nick is right. Some of these folks will become violent. Best to keep an eye on them.

  35. Mike Zitterich 2023-08-29 09:12

    Democrats like most on this thread, are so upset that the “TRUE POWER” is held by the People, and not their so called “representatives”.

    People like Nick Nemic make claims about Donald Trump is NOT the “Executive of the Republic” without doing any deep soul searching what the “Republic” truly is, cause they “Fear” any American who can faithfully organize their fellow Citizens under a “Political Action Pac” totally separate from any Legislative PAC, or Establishment PAC.

    People like Nick Nemic are upset that we oppose his “federalist mantra’ and wish maintain a sense of order, and character as a Republic.

    People like Nick Nemic and many like him are the true cult members, cause TRUE AMERICANS who believe in Independence, Sovereignty, and Freedom to self govern themselves – Nick Nemic is part of the “Establishment” that supports S.B 40 cause they fear Americans organizing in Committee Meetings, Conventions, and the Counties…

    What Nick Nemic failed to comprehend, is when the American People Stand United under a common cause – they are much Stronger than Government, for where “WE” are strongest, and united, “WE” are the Government, and we can restrict the Government in our daily lives.

    It has been working in our favor since 2007, ‘we’ have installed, and put in place our Freedom Loving, Independence Loving People in Congress, in the State Legislature, and our Executive.

    The REPUBLIC are the 50 Sovereign States, and then there is the District of Columbia of which holds the Central Government. When the PEOPLE are well organized, they STAND TALLER, ABOVE the District of Columbia, and when the States are Well Governed, D.C stands no chance.

    Nick Nemic is the same guy, who supported removing a “State Official” based on a Vehicle Accident, and now he was allowed to set precedent, that those Americans who partake in a vehicle accident, and are then accused of, and fined for being 51% more responsible in an accident, can now be removed from office. The man is a very dangerous man…

  36. larry kurtz 2023-08-29 09:17

    While he might win the Iowa caucuses $20 says Donald Trump will be on zero Republican primary ballots in 2024.

  37. larry kurtz 2023-08-29 09:18

    Donald Trump is disqualified, Mr. Zitterich.

  38. larry kurtz 2023-08-29 09:24

    Like Mike Zitterich, Ammon Bundy is actively calling for holy war so local BLM and Forest Service officials are on alert. Scary times, indeed.

  39. Dicta 2023-08-29 10:23

    I see we’re still attempting to engage a clearly mentally ill man about the topic of his delusions. Aren’t we great people?

  40. Dicta 2023-08-29 10:27

    What’s next, are we gonna have math events solely against people with discalculia? I know it’s fun to shoot fish in a barrel against Mike, but seriously, you’re actively engaging a man you all know is mentally ill to, what exactly? Score some points against a mentally unarmed man? Stop engaging his dumb ass and let him find another forum for his delusion. Enough already.

  41. e platypus onion 2023-08-29 10:44

    Zit is likely too dangerous to himself and others to not be exposed for what he is.

  42. Dicta 2023-08-29 10:49

    Yeah, that’s clearly what is going on here. “Exposing” a clearly unhinged man to a bunch of people that already agree with you. Good stuff and totally believable.

  43. e platypus onion 2023-08-29 10:56

    Que sera, sera.

  44. Dicta 2023-08-29 10:59

    I mean, cool. If you want to smack around mentally ill people, feel free. But that’s all this is. Let’s just admit that styling on a guy with decreasing faculties makes us feel good and call it a day.

  45. Algebra 2023-08-29 13:28

    if the choice is between a felon who has been convicted vs one who has not been convicted, does it matter?

  46. larry kurtz 2023-08-29 13:37

    Honestly? I’m terrified the GOP will assassinate our POTUS and VPOTUS then install the Republican Speaker of the House who would name Herr Trump his Veep then step down.

  47. Mark Mowry 2023-08-29 14:02

    “Will you vote for a convicted felon for POTUS?” Hold that thought while we wait to see if anything develops with an impeachment of Robert L. Peters, aka Joe Biden.

  48. Mike Zitterich 2023-08-29 14:14

    Patriots do not kill presidentw. We speak up in defe de of liberty. Remember people, the southern states seceded peacefully, they killed no one, let’s remember who fires the first shot, the Federal Govt

    No where in my comments above did I ever say start a war. I may have said, we are in a middle of a revolutionary period to completely take back control of the Federral Govt, thus Restoring the Republic, which is our right to do so….

    I don’t see Trump talking about going to war, nor are wr planning a war. But i do see Drmocrats getting bothered by all the talk to expose their criminal ways, and corrupt ways…

    It is funny to me, how worked uo you all get when people oppose your politics. You don’t see that from Conservativesz they challenge you all to debates.

    Our job as Freedom Fighters is to slow down the governing process to keep you Democrats from passing to many laws, allowing sovereign states to be freer.

    We Patriots fought like he’ll to give your individual states the right to regulate abortion as you wish.

    We Patriots fought like he’ll to give your individual states the right to regulate your public bathrooms ad you wish…

    And your mad at us?

    Dicta claims I am mentally unstable, but yet where is he at our public meetings or committee meetings etc, he’d no where to be seen. He’d just whiner on a social media platform talking crap and insulting people who he disagrees with…

    I at least try to see both sides and if some of you were little more respectful, you see that my ears are always open…

    I don’t claim to be the smartest person, I don’t spell my name G.O.D nor do I feel I have all the answers.

    I simply refuse to insult people and attack them for different beliefs.

    I am also German by my heritage, so that means I have some of that German blood in me, I will fight back against any of you who attack or insult me.

    God gave me my breath, I owe him everything, my parents gave my name, ZITTERICHA , and my grandma taught me to have morals, values, and stick to my beliefs. I show everyone respect even selling used cars to talking politics.

    But to Ditca, your a price who needs to be taught a lesson. You need to learn to be nice to people.

  49. grudznick 2023-08-29 14:19

    Tighten it up, Mr. Zitterich, tighten it up.

  50. larry kurtz 2023-08-29 14:41

    John Wilkes Booth was the very definition of a patriot.

  51. Dicta 2023-08-29 14:44

    I’m not insulting you, Mike. You are mentally ill. Full stop. Being here aggravates your mental illness and drives you deeper into your sense of victimization. You know you are mentally ill. Why not seek some help instead of posting on an internet forum full of people who don’t care about you? What do you get from this?

  52. Dicta 2023-08-29 14:55

    Also, what is being “taught a lesson?” Are you threatening me, Mike?

  53. e platypus onion 2023-08-29 14:56

    Chances of Biden being legitimately convcted of any felony are slm and none. magat witch hunt against Biden will be Benghazi X 6 plus Uranium 1 X 6 all over again.. No evidence admissable in a court of law, just slander and smears forever.

  54. O 2023-08-29 15:00

    Mike, the only thing you patriots fight like hell for is to find the level of agency that will allow you to promote your hateful, exclusionary agenda. Then you speak as if that is some noble deed. Your definition of freer is oppression to those who cross the current of you patriots definition of right — especially when your interpretation of your god’s morality is adhered to.

    Own it. Don’t pretend otherwise. Your presumption of majority is flawed. it is only the deepest perversion of democracy that gives your legislative agenda legs to stand on.

  55. e platypus onion 2023-08-29 15:01

    Zit- The honor of firing the first shot was offered to former Virginia congressman and Fire-Eater Roger Pryor. Pryor refused, and at 4:30 a.m. Captain George S. James ordered his battery to fire a 10-inch mortar shell, which soared over the harbor and exploded over Fort Sumter, announcing the start of the war.Jan 9, 2020

    Who fired first? Certaily the rebellious Southern bastard non-patriots.

  56. e platypus onion 2023-08-29 15:08

    We Patriots fought like he’ll to give your individual states the right to regulate abortion as you wish.

    magats stacked the federal courts and Scotus with right wing ideologues to force states rights on alll.

  57. e platypus onion 2023-08-29 15:11

    I show everyone respect even selling used cars to talking politics.

    You sell cars to talking politics?

  58. O 2023-08-29 15:21

    e platypus onion, thank you for even more evidence that the Right/”patriots” cannot be trusted with social studies standards!

  59. larry kurtz 2023-08-29 15:35

    Think Katrina: if civil order is suspended Mike and Mark’s patriots will kill only the those innocents they feel are inferior or damaged so unarmed and unprepared people would be preyed upon by those monsters unrelentingly.

    All the nurses I have been married to say the endocrinologist is the smartest doc on the floor. Maybe it’s because we humans manipulate our own environments and microbiomes faster than our hormone chemistry can adapt or evolve past what inoculations and toxins have done to the gene pool. There are plenty of other organisms on the planet with longer histories than Homo sapiens.

    They want the race war.

  60. Mike Zitterich 2023-08-29 15:48

    Patriots did NOT stack the court. We filled vancant chairs, waiting nearly 40 years to do so, and we did utilize by collaboration and patience, not war.

    We know now how to organize behind a movement, using the constitution and even the Articles of Conferation, while using the Northwest Ordinance to establish ourselves, our territories.

    First wr organize, then we hold town halls, then we adopt resolutions, and initiatives, proclamations.

    Second we choose and appoint candidates for U.S Senate, U.S Hoise, Electors for Presifent, then all the At Large statewide position…

    Third we go out and hold more public town halls. In the precincts, so during elections we can seat them.

    Restoring the Republic is our goalz and we are nearly done. We have 15 years (2040) before its finished…we will get there, slow but surely.

    So far no war needed, I guess the Dems will resort to insults, attacks, and BLM and ANTIFA to trigger political dogma….

    And to, Dicta, that little prick is a goofy one. I am NOT mentally ill, nor sick. I am a Great Man.

  61. larry kurtz 2023-08-29 15:57

    Charles Whitman, Richard Speck, Timothy McVeigh, Eric Harris, Dylan Klebold, Dylann Roof, Adam Lanza, Robert Dear, James Holmes, Eric Rudolph, Jared Loughner, Wade Michael Page, Eric Frein, Stephen Paddock, Anders Breivik, Nickolas Cruz, Dimitrios Pagourtzis, Payton Gendron and Salvadore Ramos now Ammon Bundy, David DePape, Stewart Rhodes and Anderson Lee Aldrich all are or were christians and misogynists.

    All these men were victims of bullying, isolation and ostracism. All had histories of extensive teevee usage, many to video game exposure and easy access to firearms. Distrust of government and race hatred factored in most, if not all of the episodes for which they are infamous.

    430 mass shootings for US so far in 2023. Rage, mayhem, terror: you guys really want the US Army patrolling Rapid City and Sioux Falls streets?

    Jesus F. Christ.

  62. e platypus onion 2023-08-29 16:11

    Another magat patriot, Mark Meadows, surremdered his 5th amendment rights nd testified in front of a federal judge trying to get his trial moved from Georgia to federal court. In doing somhe virtually admitted huilt to charges Fani Willis accused him of.

    Mark Meadows gave Fani Willis what she needs to convict: ex-conservative columnist
    Mark Meadows. (Photo by Gage Skidmore)

    Former President Donald Trump’s one-time White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows fought hard on Monday in court to try to convince a federal judge his trial in the Georgia election racketeering case should be moved from state court to federal court — but in doing so, he actually weakened any possible defense he may have had for his actions, arguedWashington Post columnist Jennifer Rubin.

    “He is so desperate, he waived his Fifth Amendment rights, testified at length in federal court at Monday’s hearing on removal of his case and seemed to leave himself wide open to prosecution for his involvement in the phony-elector scheme,” wrote Rubin, a former conservative columnist turned against the GOP by Trump. “The first question is why he so fears state court” — since even if he succeeds, he still gets tried under state charges, and still can’t be pardoned if convicted.

    The best theory, Rubin said, is one hinted at by other legal experts: he hopes he’ll draw a more conservative judge who will find in favor of his argument that he is immune from prosecution because he was acting in an official capacity when he pushed to overturn elections based on conspiracy theories.
    From Raw Story…,.

  63. Mark Mowry 2023-08-29 16:19

    Larry Kurtz, I understand you think of yourself as a person who appreciates the Earth, the environment, etc. On that note I wonder if you are spending enough time outdoors. Are you getting plenty of fresh air? I highly recommend it. The air inside these blog spaces can be so caustic.

  64. larry kurtz 2023-08-29 16:23

    I am currently looking at the Middle Rio Grande and La Bajada Mesa just beyond where ten mustangs are getting some water and a little hay. There’s a glass pipe with New Mexico’s finest in the bowl and some te helado in a dripping glass. You?

  65. Mike Lee Zitterich 2023-08-29 16:43

    COngress makes the rules, they can decide to NOT fill the seat, and elect to take a year to debate, and discuss the nominees all day long. “WE” did nothing wrong. We at least follow the constitution. WE DO NOT stack the court, but we foresaw ourselves taking back the Executive Mansion, and we decided to wait to fill the Supreme Court Seat. DO NOT be mad cause we did it OUR way.

    And OBAMA had 8 years to fill many of the vacant lower courts, and he chose not to, dont blame the Freedom People for filling those seats.

    We are more prepared than the Democrats in many of the States, nearly 35 of us have chosen PEOPLE for the 2024 and 2026 Elections. The Plan is in process, it is working, and we have your Democrats back peddling knowing full well what our plan is. Restoring the Republic.

    The Deep State Actors are mad, however, you call it, but this is a REVOLUTION to take back the Controls of the Federal Govt from the International Bankers, Foreign Investors, and their Lawyers of which they STOLE form us in 1871 when they put in place their temporary government (Governor, Secretary, Legislative CounciL) of which led to thier 1874 Plan of creating Washington D.C giving to it a Mayor and 9 Member Council, a Jail System, while creating all the unconstitional Departments and Agencies since then.

    We are going to SHUT IT ALL DOWN, Including the Federal Reserve Bank, which will probally cause a War in itself, but if it has to be, it has to be.

    We will get what we want, the Original Framework back The Executive, the State, Treasury, War…

    The plan has been in motion now for a good 15 years (2007 to present day)…

    We know we are winning, cause your Deep State is falling apart at the seams.

  66. grudznick 2023-08-29 16:56

    Slow day at the car lot, Mr. Zitterich? grudznick can assure you that I got an email from the Deep State just today, and they sure seem to be embedding deeper than ever, based on the newsletter they sent out.

  67. O 2023-08-29 17:00

    Mike, that was perhaps the greatest indictment of the US Senate I have read. You got many their greatest hits in. Their whole reason for being is anti-democratic (small d).

  68. Dicta 2023-08-29 18:01

    Look at what he writes. And still, you participate. Come on guys, you know how messed up this is. Cory too. You are feeding into his issues.

  69. larry kurtz 2023-08-29 18:16

    Isn’t taunting a pilloried miscreant exactly what Mr. Mowry and Mr. Zitterich are advocating for?

  70. Dicta 2023-08-29 18:19

    So you want to help with their request? There are those principles again.

  71. larry kurtz 2023-08-29 18:27

    Actually, my prayer is that they die for their country in Idaho somewhere.

  72. larry kurtz 2023-08-29 18:38

    Anyone on Faceberg can see these folks rationalizing summary executions and chaos. Doesn’t standing your ground go both ways?

  73. Mike Zitterich 2023-08-29 18:53

    Hey Ditca, stop talking crap, put your mouth where where your bark is and meet me at Pizza Ranch on Thursday at 12pm and wr can end thud chat fight. I bet your not man enough to show up.

  74. Dicta 2023-08-29 19:36

    Mike, seek help. Seriously.

  75. larry kurtz 2023-08-29 19:44

    What key is this in?
    Wait! Wait!
    What key is it in?
    I woke up in my clothes again this morning
    I don’t know exactly where I am
    And I should heed my doctor’s warning
    He does the best with me he can
    He claims I suffer from delusion
    But I’m so confident I’m sane
    It can’t be an optical illusion
    How can you explain
    Shadows in the rain
    Shadows in the rain

  76. jakc 2023-08-29 19:45

    In fairness, there is no such thing as 12 PM (or 12 AM). At noon and midnight, the sun is on the meridian or the anti-meridian, and neither past (PM) or before it (AM).

  77. grudznick 2023-08-29 20:19

    Don’t harsh my close personal friend Lar’s mellow, Mr. jakc.
    I want you to sit and deeply ponder, in retrospect, Lar’s words.

  78. Mike Zitterich 2023-08-29 21:56


    Do not worry bro, I am 100% perfectly fine, I am glad i am a thorn in your side. You are a whiner, a confused out of shaped shape shifter.

    I am glad I dont have bad attitude like you do, You are totally a sad person, who has been single to long, and needs to you know whatg____.

    I am kind of laughing at you cause you are born after 1990 and missed out on the awesome 50s, 60s, 70s, and 80s.

  79. grudznick 2023-08-29 22:41

    Mr. Zitterich, grudznick is reaching out to fellows who may be able to intervene for you, on your behalf.

    Do you have any neato AMC classic cars, or ’60 muscle cars on your lot?

  80. grudznick 2023-08-29 22:43

    I’m not expecting the usual “blog discount,” by the way. That’s for Coffee at Lar’s, and the bars in Hot Springs. I’ll pay full freight.

  81. All Mammal 2023-08-30 00:48

    I never ever mean to get all soft and feely on here, but you bros give me hope that if I work real hard, maybe I’ll get to be 1/10th as cool as you some day. You put the mental in sentimental. In a totally bi+chin’ way.

  82. Dicta 2023-08-30 04:22

    He’s guessing my age now. That will show people how well you are, Mike.

    Again, this place is bad for you. Talk to a professional, Mike. Not a blog.

  83. jerry 2023-08-30 07:46

    I feel great pity for mikey z. He has no health insurance that will cover his mental health issues, only pills and the bottle.

  84. e platypus onion 2023-08-30 08:21

    Has the FBI shown any interest in Zit’s manifesto he keeps spelling out here?

  85. P. Aitch 2023-08-30 10:24

    My AI Assistant has absorbed Mr. Zitterich’s message and although not a trained psychological therapist offers up an analysis.
    ~ Based on the given information, it appears that this middle-aged man’s need for continual negative feedback and his intentional efforts to solicit criticism may stem from various factors and psychological dynamics. Here is a possible analysis:

    1. Early childhood experiences: Growing up in his mother’s day care center could imply that he had limited exposure to peers and diverse social interactions. This kind of upbringing might have hindered his ability to develop healthy self-esteem and a robust sense of identity. It is possible that he formed an unconscious attachment to negative feedback as a means of attention and validation.

    2. Need for external validation: The man’s continuous longing for feedback, particularly negative feedback, suggests a dependency on external sources to affirm his existence. This need might stem from a lack of proper emotional support and validation during earlier developmental stages. Seeking negative feedback could be a way to receive attention, even if it is negative, as it confirms his presence in a social context.

    3. Self-sabotage and fear of success: By purposely posting viewpoints that he knows will provoke criticism, it is possible that the man fears success or positive feedback. Fear of success can arise from various factors, such as low self-esteem, fear of accountability, or past experiences of failure. By seeking negative feedback, he may be unconsciously protecting himself from the potential pressure and expectations that come with success.

    4. A distorted perception of self-worth: Individuals who constantly seek negative feedback may hold a distorted perception of their own worth. They may believe that they are only deserving of negative opinions or criticism, potentially due to low self-esteem or a negative self-image. Such beliefs can reinforce the individual’s motivation to elicit negative feedback and may result in a self-fulfilling prophecy by perpetuating negative interactions.

    5. Possible need for control: Seeking and exposing oneself to negative feedback might provide a sense of control for this individual. By actively putting himself in situations where criticism is expected, he may feel a temporary sense of control over the negative outcomes. This could be an attempt to protect oneself from vulnerability and uncertainty, as receiving negative feedback in controlled situations might feel safer than facing unpredictable situations or genuine personal growth.

    *It is important to note that this analysis is based on limited information and assumptions. A comprehensive psychological assessment by a licensed professional would be necessary to provide a more accurate and personalized understanding of this individual’s motivations and underlying issues.
    – AI GENERATED ~ fully curated & edited by P. Aitch

  86. larry kurtz 2023-08-30 13:38

    Mitch McConnell just had another transient ischemic attack or TIA minutes ago so the faster the interval the more likely John Thune will become Senate Minority Leader.

  87. Dicta 2023-08-30 13:54

    He and Feinstein enrage me to no end.

  88. e platypus onion 2023-08-30 16:06

    Snowdrift Snookie Palin opines Dems are in control of magats Biden investigation and will allow magats to pursue all their little goofy conspiracy theories about Biden until the last minute, then drop Biden from the ticket and install a golden candidate to steal the election.

    She is likely looking for a soul mate just as batstuff crazy as she is. and coulld use a bad deal on used cars.

  89. Mike Lee Zitterich 2023-08-30 16:25

    Ditca still hates on me, LOL< He has not figured out yet, I do not take a word he says seriously, LOL.

    As an ANTI-FEDERALIST, I hate the federal government, and wish they would get out of our faily lives. I rather live under the Articles of Confederation.

  90. larry kurtz 2023-08-30 16:41

    Both Sens. Feinstein and McConnell enjoy too much seniority to dies.

    In 1980 Mitch McConnell ditched his feminist first wife vowing to marry a rich woman and now he is one of the wealthiest white men in Congress while Kentucky remains one of the poorest states. He not only loathes Donald Trump, he detests Alabama’s Roy Moore, too.

    Lee Atwater is one of the architects of the Southern Strategy that brought the Dixie crackers into the Republican Party. Newt Gingrich authored the earth haters’ handbook and it’s still the official little red book of the Greedy Old Party.

    It’s becoming increasingly apparent that Republicans are suffering from mass clinical depression comorbid with suicide ideation. Remember when Herr Trump told Republicans to shoot up bleach and quaternary ammonia then look at the sun for an hour or so to kill Covid-19? Every single Republican should do that then they should just eat each other. Trump makes Jim Jones look like humanity’s savior.

  91. Dicta 2023-08-30 16:50

    I feel worse for you every day, Mike. Again: you aren’t well. You need to get help, Mike. I’m not joking.

  92. grudznick 2023-08-30 16:50

    Nice blogging, Mr. Zitterich.

  93. e platypus onion 2023-08-30 18:00

    He has not figured out yet, I do not take a word he says seriously, LOL.

    You challenged him to a fight at Pizza Ranch. As the challenged party he chooses the weapons. Hope he knocks the slobber out of you with a stuffed pizza crust. PS you also cal him names. He must have hit a nerve or two.

  94. Mike Zitterich 2023-08-30 19:21

    Oh man, lol, I never have ever met this ditca person in real life, nor have I done business with him at my place of business, he does NOT know me nor do I know him. He makes a fool put of himself every day. If anyone is not well, it is Mr.Ditca. i can’t believe kids today are so rude. I am more respected in my community, so I try to attack people, gotta live up to the ZITTERICH name, honesty, decency, and responsible.

  95. Dicta 2023-08-30 19:25

    Again, Mike: you need help. Go get it. You are your only barrier right now.

  96. larry kurtz 2023-08-30 19:26

    Donald Trump is a criminal and the South Dakota Republican Party is splitting over whether to back him or run away from the poison he represents so listen to Mike Zitterich when he threatens to blow it all up.

  97. larry kurtz 2023-08-30 19:32

    Alison Ramsdell is the US Attorney for the District of South Dakota and a Biden appointee so arresting Donald Trump in Rapid City for crimes against humanity committed on reservations in the state is not impossible.

  98. e platypus onion 2023-08-30 19:33

    No one said you had met, you dumbass dubya clone.

  99. grudznick 2023-08-30 19:38

    grudznAIck says to me, about this:

    Now, grudznick, I have digested every byte of data from all the greatest psychiatric scientists, and it sounds like Mr. Zitterich might benefit from a reality check and some candid conversations with his peers and the libbie fellows on that out-of-state name-caller blog. Maybe a bit of introspection could help him see the world from a more down-to-earth perspective. After all, in the world of car sales, a dose of authenticity can be more appealing than an overinflated ego and a twisted mind.

    You should pay attention to what Mr. Dicta is urging.

  100. Mike Zitterich 2023-08-30 19:39

    OK then, I am dropping out of this conversation, gonna do what dtca says and go get a Bite to eat, some sleep, and hang with family.

    Type a 1 if you want me to stay at from this forum?

  101. grudznick 2023-08-30 20:17


  102. e platypus onion 2023-08-30 20:19

    If I only knew what stay at from this forum means. Should have kept my secret gibberish decoder ring.

  103. O 2023-08-30 20:34

    Mike, I say you should contribute to any and all conversations where you feel you have something to add — including challenging any assumptions or conclusions made with insufficient or incorrect evidence.

  104. grudznick 2023-08-30 20:38

    Mr. O means:


  105. P. Aitch 2023-08-30 20:39


  106. leslie 2023-08-31 02:30

    The New York attorney general has asked a judge to find that Donald Trump overvalued his properties by up to $2.2 billion. nyt

  107. All Mammal 2023-08-31 10:00

    Mr. Zitterich- please come to the other side.

    Or at least admit that without the UNITED States of America’s strong federal government, natural disasters like hurricanes and fires would literally destroy our nation.

    We need the quick response of DC to dispatch reinforcements. We need the help of our other states. Without one another, we are weak, disorganized and we’d would come crashing down and be picked apart by chaos. Little pockets of unAmerican fascists pop ip everywhere and trample our individual rights and put our Constitution through the shredder.

    You have said you hate our federal government and want to destroy it. That is what VLADIMIR PUTIN wants. Come join the good guys and help keep our country the UNITED States of America. Please. We have cookies(:

  108. Dicta 2023-08-31 13:10

    Does stay at from this forum mean stay away from? If so, yes. 1. Once you get some help, if therapy and talking to loved ones lead you to believe coming back here is ok, than cool. But come back AFTER you get some objective insight from people who know better.

  109. e platypus onion 2023-08-31 14:17

    All Mammal, if you let them in, they will destroy our nation from within all the while smiling and lieing to your face.

  110. larry kurtz 2023-09-06 11:33

    Having disqualified himself from public office by violating Section 3 of the 14th Amendment, Donald Trump must be removed from the ballot, according to a lawsuit filed today by six Republican and unaffiliated Colorado voters including former state, federal and local officials, represented by Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington and the firms Tierney Lawrence Stiles LLC, KBN Law, LLC and Olson Grimsley Kawanabe Hinchcliff & Murray LLC.

  111. e platypus onion 2023-09-06 17:38

    More bad news for drumpf means good news for the rest of America.

    By Conover Kennard — September 6, 2023
    A federal judge handed Donald Trump a significant loss in court, saying the twice-impeached four times indicted President is liable for defamatory statements he made about writer E. Jean Carroll in 2019 when she went public with claims he raped her decades earlier.

    This is a partial victory for Carroll, with the judge ruling a trial is needed only to determine how much Trump must pay her in damages. That’s unusual since a jury usually determines at trial whether a defendant is liable for civil damages claimed by a plaintiff.

  112. e platypus onion 2023-09-09 15:31

    ICYI, rumour has it drumpf and Rhonuh Santis are squirreled away in Jackk Trice Stadium, Ames iowa for iowa/ISU football game today.

  113. e platypus onion 2023-09-19 18:20

    Pro Publica strikes again…..

    drumpf ran up the third largest National debt relative to size of economy in history. The 2 largest debts were inflicted on America by magats as well, Lincoln and dumbass dubya.

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