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Lindell’s Lies Laid Bare by Cyber Experts: No Evidence of Stolen Election

Poor Beth Warden has been sitting through pillow salesman turned coup-promoter Mike Lindell’s “Cyber Symposium” in Sioux Falls. The three-day event, which mercifully wraps up today, was advertised as an opportunity for Lindell to prove his wild claim that China hacked the 2020 election and that Joe Biden is not the legitimately elected leader of the United States of America.

Instead, the event has reaffirmed that Mike Lindell is a liar. Texas technologist Bill Alderson, one of the cybersecurity professionals in attendance who finally received Lindell’s promised smoking-gun “packet captures” says that Lindell doesn’t actually have election data:

When Alderson received Lindell’s data on Wednesday morning, he said it didn’t add up.

“We were unable to get the data from the actual 2020 election. Very disappointing,” said Alderson.

Some of his colleagues were discovering the same thing.

“But every person who came specifically looking for those p-caps was very disappointed. Some were somewhat angry,” said Alderson.

…“They thought they had those p-caps, and they were in such a format: encrypted, decrypted, et cetera and they came out as gobbly goo, no conclusive evidence that I could analyze” [Beth Warden, “Cyber Expert Claims Mike Lindell Does Not Have Election Data, Eligible for $5 Million Award,” KSFY, 2021.08.11].

The conservative Washington Times gets confirmation of Alderson’s assessment from one of Lindell’s own hired cybersecurity experts, Josh Merritt:

Mr. Lindell said he had 37 terabytes of “irrefutable” evidence that hackers, who he said were backed by China, broke into election systems and switched votes in favor of President Biden. The proof, he said, is visible in intercepted network data or “packet captures” that were collected by hackers and could be unencrypted to reveal that a cyberattack occurred and that votes were switched.

But cyber expert Josh Merritt, who is on the team hired by Mr. Lindell to interrogate the data for the symposium, told The Washington Times that packet captures are unrecoverable in the data and that the data, as provided, cannot prove a cyber incursion by China.

“So our team said, we’re not going to say that this is legitimate if we don’t have confidence in the information,” Mr. Merritt said on Wednesday, the second day of the symposium [Joseph Clark, “Cyber Expert Says His Team Can’t Prove Mike Lindell’s Claims That China Hacked Election,” Washington Times, 2021.08.11].

Lindell had said he would stay on stage for three straight days to prove his claim, but he left the stage around 6 p.m. yesterday, right around the time that U.S. District Court Judge Carl Nichols ruled election-tech-maker Dominion can proceed to sue Lindell, Sidney Powell, and Rudy Giuliani for lying about their company’s machines and the election results they reported. Cyber experts inside and outside Lindell’s organization appear to be handing Dominion evidence of Lindell’s lies.

Related Observations: Lindell claimed last month that every room in Sioux Falls was booked for his symposium. Whatever fraction of the Queen City’s motel rooms were booked for this kook parade, many of those rooms may have cleared out early, as Lindell’s crowd thinned significantly as the lies wore on:

Zachary Petrizzo, Salon reporter, tweet from Sioux Falls, South Dakota, 2021.08.11.
Zachary Petrizzo, Salon reporter, tweet from Sioux Falls, South Dakota, 2021.08.11.

Lindell held his invitation-only malarkey show in the South Dakota Military Heritage Alliance building, which used to be Chuck Brennan’s Badlands Pawn shop on West Russell.

Today Lindell is telling the last lingerers that he was “attacked” at his hotel last night and that “antifa” has infiltrated the event. His team is claiming that someone made a “threat to the data streams” and that there are “really radical folks outside trying to penetrate” the building. Reporter Petrizzo goes outside and finds people singing in the parking lot.


  1. sx123 2021-08-12 13:39

    I’d like to know how a pillow guy supposedly gets access to confidential information.
    I saw an article on possible wire tapping law violations being looked into.
    With the very sparse crowd in the pic (assuming not on lunch break), this event looks like it went kaput.

  2. Mark Anderson 2021-08-12 14:55

    Well dominion will be had over these boys and a girl. Can’t wait.

  3. Richard Schriever 2021-08-12 14:55

    Looks to be a crowd of about 35 people in there – if you count the 7 or 8 who seem to be event staff or security.

  4. John Dale 2021-08-12 16:06

    Record viewership set on alternative platforms.

    So, after a few hours they throw-up their hands and give-up?

    “No” evidence?


    Forensic audit of the ballots and scrutiny of chain of custody is more important than any forensic digital evidence.

    Either they NSA can accredit this .. or they can’t.

    Every computer is compromised. In a world of deep fakes, it’s a wonder anyone can be convicted of anything on the basis of digital evidence.

    Ballots are hard evidence, however.

    What’s the word on the Arizona Audit?

    Got them passwords, yet?


    This has been tried int he court of public opinion. Anyone wanting honest answers, and anyone in deny mode .. both will be labeled forever.

    The swamp is drained.

    The critters are another matter .. take pictures.

    Reclaim government at all levels.

    It is ours.


  5. Dicta 2021-08-12 16:37

    For months, John Dale ran around here screaming about packets and wondered how we couldn’t see what he saw. Now that the story from crazy country has undermined such a claim, John quickly makes a post that reads like a person with dementia wrote to, what, get in front of the narrative? Funny how your “LOOK AT THE PACKETS!?!?!?!” screaming has quickly changed to “Forensic audit of the ballots and scrutiny of chain of custody is more important than any forensic digital evidence.”

    You’re a real piece of work, bud. I have to wonder what your story will change to next week.

  6. mike from iowa 2021-08-12 16:52

    Johnny Rabbit Hole Refugee’s credibility has sunk lower than Titanic.

  7. jerry 2021-08-12 17:01

    Pillow Guys says that someone pulled out a can whoop ass on him in Sioux Falls.

  8. Mark Anderson 2021-08-12 18:37

    Oh John, they can prove it in court against Dominion can’t they?

  9. Porter Lansing 2021-08-12 20:51

    John Dale is a Russian misinformation agent.

  10. Arlo Blundt 2021-08-12 21:22

    Well…if you have enough money, you can really make an ass out of yourself…ask Mike Lindell.

  11. O 2021-08-12 21:39

    My guess is that Donald isn’t the only one who figured out that there was money to be made feeding into the MAGA’s fantasy of a stolen election. Lindell was a mark for a few tech-(enough)-savvy conmen to pry his pockets open for “proof” of what he so desperately wanted to believe.

    ps. John Dale, next time you feel a stroke coming on, call 911; don’t try to try commenting on DFP. We can wait.

  12. Porter Lansing 2021-08-12 21:42

    If Denver’s Dominion Voting Systems had common stock, I’d have bought some months ago.

    It would be up significantly.

    Not because Lindell or Guilliani have any money but because their honesty is surfacing like cream on a barn cat’s grin.

  13. Mark Anderson 2021-08-13 09:00

    But, but, I put on my Runic antifa shirt, flew to Sioux Falls and attacked Lindell. John Dale can verify that, he has many sources.

  14. Cory Allen Heidelberger Post author | 2021-08-13 09:13

    that’s why debating conspiracy theorist is no fun. When you produce the actual evidence that they are wrong, or in this case when we establish from multiple sources that the conspiracy theorist have none of the evidence that they claimed to have, they just change the subject. They shift ground. Mike Lindell starts claiming he got beaten up at the hotel, again with no evidence, what a great way to change the topic from The complete failure of his symposium to produce the earth-shaking, history-changing, government-changing results that he promised.

    Lindell’s claims we’re wild and unlikely and pretty obviously on supported by facts from the start, but a lot of people indulged him. The cybersecurity experts cited in the article above said, OK, Mike, show us what you’ve got, we’ll see if you’re right. Instead of reciprocating this generous good-faith offer, Lindell for a long time stonewalled, delayed sharing his data even at the symposium, and then when he finally let his data out and made it clear to object observers that he had nothing, he went ape with claims of antifa attackers.

    Lindell and his hangers-on have demonstrated that they are not worth our time and that their claims should be dismissed out of hand.

  15. Eve Fisher 2021-08-13 09:17

    I note that the resident troll has ignored the most persuasive case of voter fraud – Ivanka Trump’s trademarks from China for voting machines. That bamboo doesn’t just get in the ballots by themselves, boys – Ivanka’s deep state! Everyone’s deep state! As Mike Lindell said, “We have enough proof to arrest everyone in the country!”

  16. Dicta 2021-08-13 09:44

    He doesn’t even debate. He makes a ton of claims that he refuses to provide any evidence for and won’t respond to people calling him out. It’s the internet version of smearing feces on the wall and you help him do it, Cory.

  17. Dicta 2021-08-13 12:54

    DFP moderation policy:

    Post by John Dale about how 5g and a grilled cheese sandwich that resembles the virgin mary caused AIDS. -Acceptable

    Lengthy post with multiple peer reviewed cites.– auto moderated.

    Maybe you’re part of the problem, Cory.

  18. Donald Pay 2021-08-13 13:28

    I learned today that three dipsy doodle Wisconsin Republican legislators and a corrupt former Supreme Court Justice Michael Gableman (we voted him off the Court) made their way to Sioux Falls (on the taxpayers’ dime) to listen to Lindell yammer away on conspiracy theories. There’s a rump group of these dipsy doodles trying to pretend they are going to do a “forensic audit” of the Wisconsin election. Last week two law enforcement officials, who were supposed to be a part of the investigation bailed on this rump group. Wisconsin’s Republican Speaker of the House has poured cold water on an Arizona-style forensic audit, but has caved to the nutcases on doing some sort of faked up investigation, which he says will cost a few hundred thousand dollars. Well, it cost Trump about an order of magnitude more than that just to recount the votes in Dane and Milwaukee Counties, after which Biden increased the spread of his win here. They had some dumb idea that Chinese had hacked into Republican counties to switch votes for Biden, which is what your truly mused about at the time that Trump decided not to waste his money trying to find more votes in the rural parts of the state. I, of course, wasn’t serious, but somehow these dipsy doodles think this is where the Chinese hackers switched the votes. So far we’ve had a neverending string of hypotheses from the dipsy doodles about why Trump lost the election in Wisconsin. They can’t seem to figure out that it’s because Trump got fewer votes than Biden, as even the Republican elections officials conceded.

  19. mike from iowa 2021-08-13 13:43

    Nice to know Wisconsin magats are as fiscally responsible as any other magats in power today.

  20. OLDTIMERdon 2021-08-13 14:24

    yabba dababa doo-they are coming to take him away, away. May be he can try “Mars research is really searching for Elvis” and he has the evidence to prove it.
    Perhaps he is planning a run for office in SD. Appears that he must have some support. He could even form another political party. Founders could include Gaetz, MT Green, the wackos from AZ and CO, Qanon, et al.n. Can see them locating a headquarters in on of those high security bunkers that are being built.
    I suspect that once Dominion lawsuits proceed, these cockroaches will go back into hiding as much as they can.I sure am feeling a lot better about the role of courts in preserving what is left of our democracy. Power of Governors, not so much!
    We may see De Satan in FL, surround a kindergarten with military or law to make sure they are not wearing masks. Need to make sure we can those little buggers smile just before they are loaded into the ambulance or are put onto an intubator.

  21. Arlo Blundt 2021-08-13 16:07

    well…there’s no end to this nonsense..the Trumpites are wrapped up in a Gordonian Knot trying to keep up the momentum of a lost cause. Its an alternate universe and over time fewer and fewer people are signing up for the spaceship. Lindell has run out of lies and is now dealing in pure fantasy.

  22. larry kurtz 2021-10-14 07:58

    It’s important to remember theories are arguably provable while hypotheses are often mostly informed hunches so conspiracy theories are not theories at all — at best they’re conjecture and at worst they’re malicious prevarications. The Federal Bureau of Investigation is just one agency looking into breaches and a Republican Colorado county clerk is probably going to jail after compromising election results and forcing polling machines to be discarded.

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