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Citizens for Liberty Lists Who Responded to Impeachment Survey

Citizens for Liberty has released the list of every legislator who responded to its poll on impeachment, updated with one omitted respondent and with four new respondents since yesterday’s press release. Here are their updated numbers, showing one third of South Dakota’s legislators suffering from Trump dementia and the other two thirds declining to respond to questions about the need to remove the tyrant from the White House:

#1 – Do you believe the Democrats’ departure from a 152-year precedent of a full House vote is proper? NO – 100%

#2 – Do you believe that any Congressional impeachment vote should be a public vote? YES – 97%; NO – 3%

#3 – Do you believe the Democrats’ secret closed hearings and denial of due process to President Trump is proper? NO – 100%

#4 – Do you believe House Intelligence Committee Chairman, Adam Schiff should be censured? Yes – 91%; NO – 3%; UNSURE – 6%

#5 – Do you believe President Trump’s telephone call with President Zelensky was a “high crime and misdemeanor”? No – 100% [Citizens for Liberty, survey questions and response percentages, updated 2019.10.22].

Citizens for Liberty, impeachment survey results, House members part 1, 2019.10.22.
Citizens for Liberty, impeachment survey results, House members part 1, 2019.10.22.
Citizens for Liberty, impeachment survey results, Senate members, 2019.10.22.
Citizens for Liberty, impeachment survey results, Senate members, 2019.10.22.
Citizens for Liberty, impeachment survey results, House members part 2, 2019.10.22.
Citizens for Liberty, impeachment survey results, House members part 2, 2019.10.22.

The only Democrat who responded was Senate Minority Leader Troy Heinert (D-26/Mission), who objected (rightfully for sure on the first three!) to the framing of the questions.

For all her outrage about lawmakers’ silence over impeachment, Rep. Scyller Borglum (R-32/Rapid City) did not respond to her Rapid City neighbors survey on the issue.


  1. jerry 2019-10-22 14:20

    Poor intellectual or cognitive impairment, is one of the things this survey found of the typical Chubby trumpy jock straper (supporter)

    “.New research reports Trump voters were more likely to perform poorly on a test of intellectual ability.


    During the 2016 election, Donald Trump famously proclaimed “I love the poorly educated!” Well, if “poorly educated” is a euphemism for “cognitively challenged,” new research finds they loved him right back.

    It reports Trump voters, on average, performed more poorly than Hillary Clinton supporters on a standard test widely regarded as a good indicator of intellectual ability.

    “Intellectual factors played an important role in the 2016 election,” writes a research team led by Yoav Ganzach of Tel Aviv University. “These results suggest that the 2016 U.S. presidential election had less to do with party affiliation, income, or education, and more to do with basic cognitive ability.”‘

    Booyah! Fat drunk and stupid

    Kinda fits the South Dakota Republican legislators perfectly.

  2. John Dale 2019-10-22 15:30

    I love this survey. Very, very telling. An adequate sample size. #trumptrain

  3. John Dale 2019-10-22 16:28

    mike from iowa – about 116 years before information started flowing at the speed of light over The Internet.

  4. jerry 2019-10-22 16:40

    mfi, history needs to repeat itself once again. Impeach Chubby trumpy!!

  5. jerry 2019-10-22 16:45

    Damn man, Bill Taylor done put the nails, duct tape, bailing wire and the screws to Chubby with his report. Guilty is what Chubby is and he must go.

    “The top U.S. diplomat in Ukraine shook the Trump presidency to its core Tuesday.

    In a riveting 15-page written statement to Congress, Chief of the U.S. Embassy in Kyiv William Taylor provided a birds-eye view of the scandal that has spawned an impeachment inquiry of President Trump.

    Taylor described a growing sense of dismay since he agreed to take the post in Kyiv in May that the U.S.’s longtime bipartisan support for Ukraine was being undermined by Trump’s personal political considerations surrounding his re-election campaign.”

    Expect Chubby and his mafia to be on a tweeting spree to try to change the subject. Booyah! This is a big deal or as Joe Biden would say #$%$#$$$$##&%#@ deal

  6. Cory Allen Heidelberger Post author | 2019-10-22 17:36

    Questions of sample size are irrelevant here. The survey does not purport to represent any population other than the entire population that it attempted to survey.

    The survey tells us only about the Legislature. Evidently a third of them, all Republicans, support Trump no matter what facts are presented. These fact-resistant legislators should be purged from government as soon as constitutionally possible, for the public good.

  7. John Dale 2019-10-22 18:16

    Cory – “purged”

    There is no middle ground? lol :)

  8. John Dale 2019-10-22 18:17

    jerry – he said, they said, she said ..

    “go on, take the money and run” — Steve Miller

    So dismay. Much disappoint.

  9. Owen 2019-10-22 20:19

    sad Stace. Sad. Trump is a criminal and you support him. :(

  10. Debbo 2019-10-22 20:27

    We probably shouldn’t be surprised at the uniformity of the SDGOP responses. They have all signed that contract pledging their undying uniformity. So- contracts fulfilled.

    As far as the intelligence issue Jerry noted, I’m sure none of us are surprised. These are exactly the types of voters the GOP has been working to create for many years. They are succeeding with a significant number of the population. The cultish setting around Fetid Fakir has been successful with that same 25-30%.

  11. Debbo 2019-10-22 20:45

    Folks, I put several links on the “Dementia” post that are appropriate here too so you may want to take a look. 😊

  12. Buckobear 2019-10-22 21:34

    Well. Schyler certainly has shown the value of education.

  13. John Dale 2019-10-23 01:08

    Owen – “sad Stace. Sad. Trump is a criminal and you support him. :(”

    What do you mean by “Criminal”?

    There has been no impeachment or trial .. just a skewering in the same media complex that picked Hillary to win at 90% and now is pushing to cover their behinds?

  14. o 2019-10-23 08:18

    Trump is going down. Instead of trying to prop up a kleptocrat, something many of these survey responders have spoken out against, why not take this as the opportunity to re-define the GOP into something the party can be proud of? I see Trump’s presidency/impeachment akin to the Civil Rights Act: a watershed moment that will define a national party moving forward.

  15. o 2019-10-23 08:28

    John’s comment infuriates me! Not because of what John’s point is – a version of innocent until proven guilty (which is absolutely correct) – but because the House sat on its hands for SO much of President Trump’s wrong doing. They let emoluments slide; they let the issues in the Muller Report (a blueprint for impeachment) slide; they let the appointment of family and interference in security clearances slide. By letting all that slide, it makes the President innocent – legally – as John and other partisans cling to for justification.

    The problem is not that the House is impeaching the President, the problem is that it took this long.

  16. jerry 2019-10-23 09:40

    The goldfish thinking Dale, should be reminded that Jesse James was never convicted of murder, bank robbery or robbery, in fact, nothing. Jesse was still a thief, and a murderer, just like Chubby.

  17. Bob Rademacher 2019-10-23 09:44

    Interesting that South Dakota legislators and Dusty would object to closed door session in DC. Aren’t these the same people that have closed door caucus in Pierre and a pledge about the caucus.

  18. happy camper 2019-10-23 09:48

    But remember it’s not representative because the 1/3 that chose to respond have different motives from those who chose not to respond. Take some solace in that, but all the mindless falling in line goes on in both parties. Partisanship, which is also rampant here, is mindless. We’re not dictated a two-party system, but the us versus them makes the political rivalry so simple, we good they bad, black and white. Representative governance requires compromise. Hillary says she might come back in the race and insists she could beat Trump (again). Too late Progressive Democrats threw out working-class Democrats oh what a mess you’ve made they got nobody else so they’re loyal to Trump now. Tulsi Gabbard rocks too bad she’s a Russian agent that Hillary just won’t quit she’s almost as bad as Trump. Flawed as he is the people who voted Trump will not vote Elizabeth Warren (or Hillary), moderate Democrats won’t vote Socialist, so go ahead, stay up high on your hobby horse and hand him the election. Again.
    PS – Thanks for the edit feature!!!

  19. JW 2019-10-23 10:07

    The consistency in the answers of those that responded is a perfect demonstration of a poorly designed, hideously biased, and incompetent survey effort…… The confirmation bias and statistical abuses also demonstrate the total incompetence of the pollster. That has always been the moniker of the Tea Party. This is just another invitation to join the mutual admiration society……. Thanks but no thanks…….. I’m not impressed and neither should anyone else.

  20. John Dale 2019-10-23 10:25

    jerry – “[President Trump] is a thief and a murderer.”

    This, to me, is rock bottom politics and divisiveness.

    “re-define the GOP into something the party can be proud of” — I am very proud that President Trump is taking on the establishment in an age of shifting culture .. conservatism is the new counter-culture.

    The corruption is in plain view, why President Trump’s support is so hardened.

  21. happy camper 2019-10-23 10:36

    Yes JW, more than an invitation, it was encouragement to those who want to think that way which gives hope for the 2/3 who didn’t reply. At least helpful they printed the names of those who responded. Junk social science and shameless the republic is at risk. We’re at a very bad place. Someone told this story when horses fight they face each other, look at each other and kick to the front. Donkeys on the other hand put their butts toward one another and kick each other to death.

  22. Anne 2019-10-23 11:21

    Don’t argue with
    Trump supporters.

    They can read,
    most of them.
    They know he lies,
    that he has stiffed people
    for millions.
    The facts are in court records.

    Trump validates their pet bigotries,
    and to them,
    that is worth everything.

  23. happy camper 2019-10-23 12:02

    Don’t argue but try to understand. It’s not that hard to see why working-class Dems voted for Trump. Progressives care more about illegal aliens and demonize their own people who incorrectly have placed blame on the illegal alien, not the government who has failed to enforce labor laws. It’s true Trump tips his hat to their misplaced bigotry, but the stupidity I read from the progressives leaves me with very little hope Democrats can get those voters back, that they want to, or even care about them. It’s a disgrace to turn your back on your own people. The Democrats have earned their failures for which we all suffer now.

  24. mike from iowa 2019-10-23 12:05

    The corruption is in plain view, but,Johnny Fraud does not recognize it is drumpf that is the fraud.
    It is drumpf that commits the fraud. It is drumpf that encourages the fraud and appoints ghis brats to partake of the corruption and make millions in violation of the emoluments clause, and don’t hand me this garbage that a handpicked court can change the emoluments clause to allow this grifting to continue.

  25. Cory Allen Heidelberger Post author | 2019-10-23 12:37

    So, Hap, you’re saying that working-class Dems can use their resentment to justify their short-sighted and counter-productive choice of Donald Trump?

    Throwing a brick through the window of democracy doesn’t solve anything. It just makes things worse, as we are seeing.

    I have a hard time swallowing the political credibility and intelligence of anyone who says, “Democrats aren’t responding to my working-class concerns, so I’m going to elect an even more aloof and arrogant Manhattan billionaire to represent my interests!”

  26. happy camper 2019-10-23 12:39

    He’s corrupt, but the goal should be to win the next election more so than impeachment. If Pence becomes the incumbent he might be more electable than Trump if the Dems cannot present a moderate candidate. Bloomberg is still contemplating entering the race. Progressives pushing the Democratic Party too far to the left has been a disaster. You’re not gonna be forgiven anytime soon either.

  27. happy camper 2019-10-23 12:51

    No Cory, I’m saying working-class Democrats have been given no other choice and they are mistaken in how they express their resentments. Try to see it only from their point of view. Their standard of living has dropped as jobs went overseas and the far left wing of the Democratic Party wants open borders. Hillary embraced many of those ideas. Illegal workers come here and further lower their wage rates. They incorrectly blame those illegal workers but the Democratic Party tossed them out. Trump comes in and tells them exactly what they want to hear, in blunt language. They got nobody else in their corner. Trump continues to pander to them so they just can’t see how your last statement is true. In their mind he’s all they got. Hillary and the DNC caused this Bill told her is was a huge mistake but she wouldn’t listen. The following link covered their drag-out fight on this very issue: ‘As far as he was concerned, all the blame belonged to [campaign manager Robby] Mook, [campaign chairman John] Podesta and Hillary because they displayed a tone-deaf attitude about the feeble economy and its impact on millions and millions of working-class voters.

  28. o 2019-10-23 13:36

    happy, I get confused about the “moderate” versus “liberal” or “extreme” Democrat distinction. As the right has move to the radical Right, it seems that all bread-and-butter Democrat ideals have become “extreme” (in so far as they get further and further from the moving Right).

    To me, Sanders’ and Warren’s rhetoric about wealth distribution and moving economic success back to the middle class is not-at-all extreme. That constituted the backbone of real Democrat values (I SO miss Tip O’Neil). Nobody advocates open boarders – it is disingenuous to perpetuate that myth – but given the vast wealth of this nation, if the 1% were not hoarding, we could easily support a thriving middle class AND allow others to enjoy some of that success from other nations.

    Immigration is an issue; it is not the central or defining issue. In contrast, the closing of boarders to even refugees that is going on now, the dehumanizing conditions that we choose to treat people from other countries ONLY because they are from other countries, the policy of the GOP has to be seen as extreme and unacceptable.

  29. Debbo 2019-10-23 13:57

    It’s true that the Democratic Left is not extreme historically. The Extreme Left of the 1930s wanted communism. That’s Extreme Left. Democratic Socialism is the Moderate Left’s goal. Moderate Democrats like Klobuchar support a true progressive tax code, strong unions and other FDR/Eleanor Roosevelt programs.

    As O said, nobody wants open borders. That’s just GOP lying campaign rhetoric.

    HC, you often claim to speak for various groups as if you have specific insight into that group’s psyche that the rest of us lack. How is it that you have this secret knowledge and you only?

  30. John Dale 2019-10-23 14:15

    “aloof and arrogant Manhattan billionaire” — All the talk about President Trump individually belies the fact that he is pursuing the policies he was elected for.

  31. John Dale 2019-10-23 14:33

    I never wanted Pence as VP. Rand Paul would have been a better pick, but I think Pence is bringing blue dog democrats along.

  32. Debbo 2019-10-23 14:59

    “Approval of the impeachment inquiry reached a new high, 55%, in a Quinnipiac Poll out this morning, with 48% favoring removal from office.”
    Mike Allen, Axios

  33. jerry 2019-10-23 14:59

    Chubby just lifted sanctions on Turkey, who knew? Damned near everyone with a pulse. These crooks and liars all fit the same pattern, they’ve always been crooks and liars. Meanwhile, trump towers Istanbul is gonna be full occupancy for some time now, the money flows right along with the blood spilled.

  34. Debbo 2019-10-23 15:01

    “[Bill] Taylor’s account reached to the highest levels of the administration, drawing in Vice President Pence and acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney, and sliced at the core of the Republican defense of the administration and the president’s insistence of no wrongdoing.”
    Mike Allen, Axios

    Of course Prissy Pussy Pency is dirty. Mother gave him permission and held his hand.

  35. John Dale 2019-10-23 15:09

    Debbo – “Approval of the impeachment inquiry reached a new high”

    There will be a flash of support for a sham like this as people react to the propaganda being pushed by the MSM.

    Still looking like this will be done by Thanksgiving? Christmas?

    If not, no way it happens and you’ll have to run Michelle Obama and Tulsi Gabbard to have any chance at all.

  36. John Dale 2019-10-23 15:10

    jerry – “Chubby just lifted sanctions on Turkey”

    He just achieved a cease fire in the region .. something Obama failed to do.

  37. Porter Lansing 2019-10-23 15:17

    Happy is right. Working class (men for Trump 71% – women for Dems 53%) can only be persuaded to vote Blue by lying to them and promising things that Obama correctly said will never happen. Jobs aren’t going to come back to USA. Should we be honest? Of course, we should be honest. If working class men continue to choose pain pills and bar stools over self improvement and night schools then let them get lied to. Winning isn’t worth lying … or cheating. The tide will turn and working class men will realize they’ve been used by a con-man.
    The truth is that immigrants make wages go up. If you’ve never worked next to undocumented labor (construction – food service – agriculture – housekeeping – landscaping) you don’t know that they’ll demand a raise faster than white workers. I have first hand experience and an undocumented worker’s raise lifts all boats. The owner absolutely needs them and then just decides to give a raise to every worker.

  38. John Dale 2019-10-23 15:28

    Right now assigning any credibility to the DNC in terms of due process and adherence to democratic principles is nonsensical.

    Schiff and Pelosi are being cheer lead by the rank and file of the Democratic party (intelligencia).

    It’s insane.

  39. Debbo 2019-10-23 15:36

    And Dale *knows* insane! 🤪🤣😄

  40. happy camper 2019-10-23 15:43

    I’m not alone Deb, but consistently you don’t listen to anyone but your tribe. I try to listen to people from all walks of life and read all sources. Here, any source other than a liberal one is quickly discounted as unreliable or unworthy. Many of you are in a bubble, so in your bubble this blog seems mainstream, but it isn’t. I’m not speaking for anyone but myself and what I think to be true politically. My sympathies lie with working-class Democrats who were loyal to the party but are being pushed down by the new economy and out of the Democratic Party cause they sound ignorant to The Progressives. I wonder why progressives identify stronger with illegal aliens who are by no means highly educated or progressive and likely filled with their own bigotry rather than citizens of this country who are falling behind, perhaps permanently, and could easily be our less fortunate family members and members of our existing communities. People constantly trying to elevate themselves as enlightened above them disgusts me, it’s so snooty, rather than trying to understand their set of circumstances, and all the finger pointing of those “ignorant people” when in my view you are just very out of touch. It’s worth remembering we are all very, very ignorant. Snooters!!! :))

  41. jerry 2019-10-23 15:46

    Obama was busy killing ISIS, goldfish Dale. Chubby just released them.

  42. jerry 2019-10-23 15:49

    define “working class Democrat” as compared to working class Republican, how are they different?

  43. leslie 2019-10-23 15:57

    Number two in the Senate John Thune is cracking no doubt with McConnell’s knowledge/direction. Call him. Support his questioning of the president to support impeachment. As a product of a Murdo homestead and SD voter, both Thune and Rep Dusty Johnson are revealing Republican cracks in this outlaw president’s GOP.

  44. leslie 2019-10-23 16:02

    I dont kno a single dem that has any respect WHATSOEVER for the vp. Dale, sitting around dreaming up comments to this blog dont make them so. You have no cred.

  45. happy camper 2019-10-23 16:19

    Deb, you did make me think about why I hate this new Progressive Movement so much. It comes across to me as just a new form of snobbery. We’re up here cause we have all these enlightened thoughts. I told Cory a while back he was an elitist which he denied, but this all strikes me as a very elitist way of thinking, not about money, but a shared set of ideas that are held above question, and can’t be questioned, or that person is a …. which is just counter to everything that is great about this country. Free speech, free exchange of ideas, etc. Maybe later I’ll tell you a story about Bill Withers. Thanks for making me think.

    Definition of snob: a person with an exaggerated respect for high social position or wealth who seeks to associate with social superiors and dislikes people or activities regarded as lower-class.
    a person who believes that their tastes in a particular area are superior to those of other people.

  46. Debbo 2019-10-23 16:24

    HC, “disagreeing with” is not equal to “not listening to.” That’s your frequent claim if I disagree with your claims about certain voters. If I disagree it’s because I “don’t get it” or “I’m not listening.” No. I disagree because I think your take is wrong.

    I have several decades of experience living in the midst of conservatives in all corners of SD. I’ve worked closely with them, listened and paid attention.

    I listen and pay attention to commenters here too, except for grudz, who’s usually just mean, and Dale, who’s nuts.

    I don’t give credence to crazy conspiracy sites like “AJ”, Breitbart, Faux Noize, Drudge, etc.

    I do read conservative sites. If you read my comments you’ll see links to The Economist, Wall Street Journal, and conservative commentators.

    You, HC, might need to pay more attention before you toss out the broad generalizations you complain about. You do the same routinely about liberal,the Left, Progressives, Democrats, etc.

    In the meantime, I’ll continue reading your comments because I sometimes find value in them. I hope you’ll take time to think about this comment.

  47. jerry 2019-10-23 16:25

    Why are working class Democrats who are loyal to the party struggling more than working class Republicans loyal to their party? Is it shoe size? Tell me happy camper, the actual payroll difference between them.

    Truth be known, I don’t know of any progressive Democrats any more than I know progressive Republicans. Near as I can see, progressive means to work hard for everyone. I have certainly met people that are active in both parties that want to achieve what’s best for all. Perhaps you can explain the difference to me.

  48. Debbo 2019-10-23 16:36

    One other thing about the “Democratic elites.”

    I might have more experience with people considered part of that group than most commenters here, especially during my time in grad school in St. Paul.

    I didn’t meet any like those who are often derisively described. Not. Any. I met well-educated, granola eating, Volvo driving, middle and upper income, liberal Democrats.

    None of them cared more about immigrants than US citizens. They can do both. They care about family farmers. They care about everyone having enough to eat. They care about decent educations and homes for everyone. They care about people with bad teeth who can’t afford dental care and live in Alabama.

    They really do care about that stuff and they’re willing to pay higher taxes if that helps. Mark Dayton was elected governor in 2010 campaigning on higher taxes for the wealthy and he won. Wealthy Democratic voters in Minnesota contributed big bucks to his campaign. Wealthy GOP voters are just the opposite.

    Those GOP pushed memes about Democratic “elites” and both parties bring the same are crap. They are lies.

  49. jerry 2019-10-23 16:51

    Here is what working class Democrats and working class Republicans should be pissed off about. Today, Caterpillar stock missed the mark.

    “Despite a soft global economy and persistent China trade tensions, Caterpillar stock has a few things going for it. The company hiked its cash dividend 20% to $1.03 in May and pledged “more consistent share repurchases.” Management touted better execution and allocation of resources to products and services offering the greatest returns. The U.S. and China are detailing plans for a phase-one deal.”

    These working class workers should come to grips on one thing in this report “more consistent share repurchases” Get that, the thing that is buoying the stock is not the workers or wages, it’s the company using tax credits to buy back stock. This inflates a company’s bottom line so that the wealthy get dividends and workers get the crap end of the stick.

  50. Porter Lansing 2019-10-23 17:01

    Hear, hear Debbo. Well explained. Liberals can do both. Of course we care about workers losing jobs. Hey, Happy. Who built unions? Not billionaire Republicans who make sure employers can hire all the undocumented workers they want, without penalty.

  51. John Dale 2019-10-23 17:42

    Regarding Thune – in policy, he’s a neocon.

    NO 5G, THUNE.

    I’m mailing his aids .. thanks for the heads-up on this.

  52. John Dale 2019-10-23 17:43

    happy camper – ” you don’t listen to anyone but your tribe”


    Well said ..

  53. John Dale 2019-10-23 17:48

    leslie – not every Democrat is a transgender apathetic, drag queen story time supporting, tax and spend socialist, etc etc ..

    There are a lot of 2nd Amendment military people who look to Mike Pence for balance in Trump’s presidency.

    They were also disappointed to find out what Obama was doing, especially in his second term. They now support Trump, and will likely continue to do so.

    Anyone supporting what is happening in the HOR right now is, in my view, not doing the socio-political calculus correctly.

  54. grudznick 2019-10-23 18:00

    grudznick has to agree with Mr. Dale, here.

  55. happy camper 2019-10-23 19:48

    I appreciate that Porter and Deb sometimes understand my point of view, BUT, we disagree about the economics. Immigration and legal foreign workers can help, but it must be regulated. If the borders are too open simple supply and demand dictate lower wage rates for workers at the bottom. Porter’s argument doesn’t hold water. I also realize that Deb has probably met some of the most conservative (repressed) people on earth within South Dakota at the time she met them, but even here time has moved on to some extent. I’ve always felt both Deb’s and Porter’s opinions about South Dakota are significantly set back in time to their birth date and when they left the state for greener pastures.

  56. happy camper 2019-10-23 20:02

    Just to clarify Deb, when were your grad school days? 1975? 1985? Liberalism at that time and how it is today are entirely different things.

  57. Porter Lansing 2019-10-23 20:28

    HC … Just to be contrary. How do you know anything about working with new Americans? Is Madison a hot spot for undocumented workers, now? My friends in MadTown don’t mention that. Where I live and work restaurants is cutting edge immigration action. And, I probably know more about SD from blogs, social media, and the internet than someone stuck on the farm, like you. But, who am I to contradict your observations? I get the feeling that affirmation is good for you.

  58. Debbo 2019-10-23 20:42

    HC, I was in grad school in the mid 90s. I lived in SD 1953-2006, except for 4 years in the mid 90s. So I lived in SD for 53 years. I’ve lived in northeast, southeast, central, northwest, east central, west central and central SD. As a teacher and later I pastor, I naturally moved often.

    Now, what are your bona fides for your SD expertise?

  59. Debbo 2019-10-23 21:09

    CNN has a good report on today’s childish GOP stunt to derail the impeachment hearings. They are being conducted the same way the silly Benghazi hearings were.

    “Republicans on the three committees — Intelligence, Foreign Affairs and Oversight — have equal time to question witnesses.

    “Schiff has said that the committee will release transcripts and hold public hearings, but said they are conducting the fact-finding part of the investigation, like a grand jury before a trial, that’s done behind closed doors.”

  60. happy camper 2019-10-23 21:11

    I was born here but left in 1982 did various things til returning 20 years ago. What is cutting edge immigration action? Sure sounds like Republican speak for maximizing profits. We are still a backwards state in many ways. Honesty is the only thing that matters religion has not helped in that regard. I don’t see Grudz as mean just disagreeing with you and John Dale simply speaking his mind.

  61. Debbo 2019-10-23 21:17

    Pompeo is filthy in all of this. He’s been in on it since May. Mental Moron’s Deep State is getting deeper and deeper into doodoo.

    The Daily Beast

    I have to admit, it hits me as very, very funny that the “deep state” story that many trumpelstilskins bought so fully into actually has some truth to it, but it’s a Mental Moron/Pootie/GOP creature! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

  62. Robin Friday 2019-10-23 21:21

    (CNN)President Donald Trump stood in front of the microphone in the White House Diplomatic Reception Room and strafed the world with a barrage of lies and nonsensical, self-serving claims. We’ve seen it before, but the spectacle Trump served on Wednesday when he bragged and boasted about his great achievement in Syria was even more grotesque than usual, because he sought to paint what has been a calamity for America’s Kurdish friends — and for US standing in the world — as a great personal triumph.

  63. Robin Friday 2019-10-23 21:26

    Where did this garbage about “can’t indict the president” come from. I’ve lived in this old world a lonng time and before 2019 I never heard that one, and I still don’t believe it.

  64. John Dale 2019-10-23 21:57

    Robin Friday – “Where did this garbage about “can’t indict the president” come from”

    This is to help prevent the opposing party from harassment, and to acknowledge that the president is the final arbiter of law enforcement (executive).

    It’s not perfect, but no better solution has been found to prevent election losers pursuing other means than competing in the next election as a way to recover executive power.

    Impeachment is the balance of power, but that has been abused by Schiff and the people he’s protecting (Clapper, Brennan, Clinton, and Obama) who have .. shall we say .. not been boy scouts in the last 20+ years.

    “Not wittingly…” — Clapper

  65. Porter Lansing 2019-10-23 22:00

    C’mon, Dale. You want us to believe Trump is a victim? Trump’s an ongoing crime in progress and we’re the new Sheriff in town.

  66. John Dale 2019-10-23 22:03

    I judge whether or not South Dakota Democrats are in panic mode based on the number of strange insults in Debbo’s posts.

    The more “Mental Morons” (note caps), references to testicles, and doo doo (fecal matter) we see in Debbo’s posts, the more frantic the state of mine of SD Democrats in general.

    It’s a spot-on gauge.

    It does make most of the writing unreadable, though .. it’s like trying to read another language trying to figure out what exactly they are referring to ..

  67. John Dale 2019-10-23 22:08

    Porter Lansing – “victim”

    Not just President Trump, but everyone who voted for him. We feel like, despite all that he’s accomplished, the checks and balances have been abused and have tarnished the first three years of his term. At this point, many of us want Schiff and Pelosi shot by firing squad on PBS after being tried for Sedition, Treason.

    We voted for President Trump. We want the office respected. He’s been victimized by bullisht law-fare subverting our democracy/republic, and tarnishing much of what is still good in this country. We’ve asked him to do common sense things like secure the border (his job), renegotiate bad trade deals (good for some, horrible by and large), draw-out of unconstitutional foreign entanglements, restore the 4th Amendment, among other things.

    What I’m describing is far beyond “annoyed” or “pissed”.

    It is a very serious matter.

  68. Jenny 2019-10-23 22:40

    I like Debbo’s clever pet names of people she doesn’t like. It makes me smile a little in such sad corrupted times our country is in. And seriously most nonpartisan educated mental health professionals would agree that the president is in need of some form of mental health treatment, be it counseling, be it a mood stabilizer, meditation or a sleeping med. Just look at him, the guy is in meltdown half the time!
    He can’t control his temper! If you can’t admit that SD republicans, you are in big denial.

  69. Porter Lansing 2019-10-23 23:02

    John. You SD Republicans need to go back on offense. You’re better suited throwing racial slurs and roadblocks at Obama than you are at playing defense, trying to defend an indefensible President. Your arguments just aren’t believable. It’s hard for you and easy for us. Let’s switch, OK?

  70. Debbo 2019-10-24 00:06

    Thanks Jenny.

    Dale, I use creative nicknames for politicians only, not for other commenters. I quit using Economic Eunuch, even though I told you I was referring to his lack of economic knowledge, because you couldn’t get unfocused on physical testicles.

    I plan to continue with nicknames. If you can’t get past them, I guess that’s a problem you’ll have to sort out.

    I have no intention of being respectful to an insane monster who locks up children in cages, molests and rapes women, deliberately inflames hatred and violence and generally trashes the entire USA. Fetid Flatulence does not deserve it.

    I post many very good links. I guess you’ll just miss out. Your loss.

  71. Debbo 2019-10-24 00:10

    So HC, it looks like I’ve lived in SD longer than you in more of SD than you and quite likely know SDans better than you.

    You can stop telling me that I just don’t really know South Dakotans. You can say you disagree with me and we can discuss our arguments on their merits, rather than your superior knowledge of the state.

  72. Debbo 2019-10-24 00:42

    I’m just going to put this in a few places so it is seen.

    We have discussions about the pathetic excuses for Christianity that the GOP espouses, how antithetical it is to real Christianity. Someone will complain that the real Christians need to speak up, if they even exist. I say, “Look to the Mainline Christians, the Lutherans, United Church of Christ, Episcopalians, etc. So take a look at this link.

    This is the kind of thing the Mainlines do every damn day. They’re not giving guns to their parishioners, not preaching hatred of LBTG or immigrants. They don’t glorify greed. The pastors participate in marches, get arrested and pay their own fines, as do the members.

    These people are the real deal:

  73. John Dale 2019-10-24 07:45

    Debbo – “an insane monster who locks up children in cages, molests and rapes women, deliberately inflames hatred and violence and generally trashes the entire USA”

    Monster? Cages? Molests/rapes? Inflames hatred?

    This is rapid fire misinformation.

    Fake news.

    That inflames hatred.

  74. mike from iowa 2019-10-24 08:15

    Every word of Debbo’s statement is 100% true in relation to the molesting, raping, child caging monster in the kremlin annex.

    Rep Schiff says it all about wingnuts, “It will be said of House Republicans, When they found they lacked the courage to confront the most dangerous and unethical president in American history, They consoled themselves by attacking those who did,” the chairman wrote.

  75. Jenny 2019-10-24 08:23

    Well John please answer me this, do you think Trump possibly suffers from easily triggered agitation? High anxiety stress? Outbursts of anger? I mean just look at him.
    Just look at it from a non-partisan view.

  76. John Dale 2019-10-24 08:43

    mike from iowa – “Every word of Debbo’s statement is 100% true”

    Statements like Debbo’s, along with this reinforcement, are what I would consider the lunatic ramblings of a crazy person, or those of a political deep state operative .. probably not both.

  77. John Dale 2019-10-24 09:04

    Hi Jenny – “Trump possibly suffers from easily triggered agitation”

    Consider what President Trump has gone through. He’s been accused of having sex with his daughter, of raping his wife, of not understanding business, of treason with Russia/Ukraine. He’s seen $40,000,000 of US treasure squandered to pay Mueller’s team, and he’s seen this mid-term congress not passing critical legislation to keep our economy going (the key to domestic peace). Lawsuits, unreasonable challenges to common sense actions (the border is a mess, I lived there for 10 years, we need order there or we’ll see massive increasing violence and unrest).

    Trump, by nature, is a hot-head, type-A person; exactly what you’d expect out of someone competent in that role. He doesn’t have forever .. he has 8 years at most to complete his mission, which he and his electorate are pushing for; SAVE THIS COUNTRY FROM GLOBAL BANKS AND FASCIST ACTORS IN COG.

    I’m sure the job is stressful for anyone doing it, but Trump is just what we need. He speaks straight, from his heart, and he knows what his job is .. if not for Mueller, Schiff, Pelosi, Soros, Clapper, Brennan, Comey, and others, I’m sure he’d have a much nicer disposition, but he’s in a war, and considering how it would play to firing squad a couple of the figureheads of what seems very much like treason on behalf of Schiff (right now), and others.

    Our country is so polarized, and the mechanism by which this is achieved is the MSM, which is parroting the talking points of sociopaths in COG. Attacking the MSM is a great move, and focusing on his direct line of communication to the American people via Twitter is .. fortunate for us. I want to know what he said, not what the MSM packs into 15 second sound bites.

    His presidency is unprecedented in many good and unexpected ways, and the covers are totally off the 100% corrupt thieving establishment that we all knew existed, but never were able to prosecute because of its ability for law-fare (attacking a person with lawsuits and parallel construction).

  78. mike from iowa 2019-10-24 09:07

    are what I would consider the lunatic ramblings of a crazy person, or those of a political deep state operative ..

    Who gives a rat’s patootie about your opinion, Troll?

  79. mike from iowa 2019-10-24 09:11

    He’s seen $40,000,000 of US treasure squandered to pay Mueller’s team,

    Blatant falseho….er…lie. There was nearly enough money recouped from convicted suspects to pay for a majority of the investigation. The salaries for the entire investigative staff was a fraction of the total which was closer to 32 million.

  80. John Dale 2019-10-24 09:23

    Describe the mechanism by which that money filtered back to the funding source?

    Oh, ONLY $32,000,000? Where is that analysis? Does it include the time/expense of the defense?

  81. o 2019-10-24 09:24

    John Dale, “Right now assigning any credibility to the DNC in terms of due process and adherence to democratic principles is nonsensical.”

    How so? How is due process and/or democratic principle being subverted by Democrats? (I assume this is in the context of the President’s impeachment.)

  82. John Dale 2019-10-24 09:26

    o – this would be the third impeachment attempt after a years long investigation followed by another investigation. Rather than legislating and passing things like USMCA and infrastructure, the HOR is preoccupied with “getting that guy” like you might see in a school yard.

    It is a waste of a great opportunity to improve lives around the world.

    I, for one, really do NOT appreciate what is happening with Schiff and Pelosi, who, to me, are traitors to the nation and a threat to the republic and representative democracy in general.

  83. o 2019-10-24 09:54

    John, as we have discussed at length, infrastructure and USMCA have not had successful Senate votes – laying that on the House is nonsense and purely partisan rhetoric. I am not even sure the final draft of the implementation requirements of the USMCA have been delivered to the House from the President – but you can fact check me on that one.

    This is the first impeachment attempt. Other wrong doing has been looked at, but the Ukraine issue is the format and only impeachable offense that Speaker Pelosi has moved the House forward on. There has been a committee vote to investigate, and that committee has been stonewalled by refusal to obey subpoenas and yesterday a hoodlum GOP mob intrusion solely for the purpose of obstruction and intimidation. From my point of view, the ONLY anti-democratic and anti-due process actions have been those by the GOP to obstruct the House investigation, an investigation demanded by the US Constitution.

    There must be and (will be if the evidence warrants) a full House vote on the articles of impeachment; why do you and the GOP work so hard to subvert the investigation so that impeachment can be based on facts and evidence rather than partisan stances. It all feels Nixonian: the cover-up is as bad as the crime.

    Obstruction of justice is not due process.

  84. Porter Lansing 2019-10-24 10:46

    DEEP STATE NEWS: Trump’s evangelical support beginning to crack due to his abandanment of Christian protecting Kurdish soldiers.
    It’s a first for Trump’s regime.

  85. mike from iowa 2019-10-24 10:47

    Drumpf and Putin provided the coup and are now obstructing justice.

  86. Porter Lansing 2019-10-24 10:52

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  87. bearcreekbat 2019-10-24 11:08

    Reading Dale’s claims that there are “FASCIST ACTORS IN COG” really makes one wonder about COG, the “Children’s Oncology Group.”

    I don’t know much about the COG, but it seems a stretch to suggest that people fighting cancer in children are advocating or participating in some fascist movement.

    On a more positive point, it is refreshing to read DFP responses to happy’s continuing dehumanization of people seeking freedom, safety and economic security who are alleged to not have obtained or possess the necessary “papers.” Although some exceptions will likely always remain, just as there are still folks also using other dehumanizing labels and names to refer to people based on characteristics race, ethnicity or heritage, most DFP comments here no longer seem to fall for the Trumpist propaganda attempt to revive the dehumanizing adjective “illegal” when referencing other human beings. It is encouraging that so many commenters have the intellectual capacity to think of more humane and accurate terminology. Perhaps one day Cory might even consider editing out such language and replacing it with symbols, such as #$%& that we often see in cartoons like Beetle Bailey designed to entertain children (but edit such langauge to avoid exposing kids to profanity or potentially harmful attitudes toward others).

  88. o 2019-10-24 11:18

    John, I’ll stand corrected on that. I was making the point that this was the first real move forward, and in how I defined move, I discredited this “attempt” by a few over-excited Democrats as an actual attempt. To me, it is not a stand of the House until Pelosi moves it forward (just as it is not a stand of the Senate unit McConnell moves it forward).

    The House investigating the President for alleged wrong doing is not a coup. You and your fellow flame-throwers who want so badly to distract from the fact of Presidential wrong doing conflate this investigation to “coup” or “civil war” really are undermining the safety and security of this nation and its laws.

    It is interesting watching the President’s “defenders” of late; there is no denial of his wrongdoing, only attacks on process. To which, you still have not answered my question: how are Democrats denying due process or democratic principles in this impeachment/inquiry process? Can you go beyond the bumper sticker in your accusation?

  89. Porter Lansing 2019-10-24 11:20

    Thank you so much, Bear for that definition of COG. That’s a group worthy of our support.
    *I looked up COG in my trusty Urban Dictionary and found it’s a Constant Orgasm Giver. Didn’t seem like what Mr. D-Ale was referencing. ;0)

  90. John Dale 2019-10-24 11:27

    o – “The House investigating the President for alleged wrong doing is not a coup”

    It’s an investigation without a proper predicate. It perpetual, politically driven, and without merit.

    One “investigation” ends, another one starts, by design, without sufficient transparency or due process.

    It’s a witch hunt.

    Presidential harassment.

    The known MO of an extortive deep state who needs a really blistering spanking.

  91. John Dale 2019-10-24 11:27

    COG – Completely Obviated Government.

  92. o 2019-10-24 11:39

    John, the “proper predicate” was the public disclosure of the content of the Ukrainian call. The proper predicate is that the President may not abuse his position of power for personal gain.

    Are you taking the stand that the President of the United States (not necessarily Trump – but ANY president) should use his or her office for personal gain?

    The President did wrong.

  93. John Dale 2019-10-24 12:35

    o – “was the public disclosure of the content of the Ukrainian call. The proper predicate is that the President may not abuse his position of power for personal gain”

    Neither of these things has a reasonable predicate to take congress away from USMCA, infrastructure, and budgeting.

    You’re saying he’s guilty. This assumes the premise. The transcripts do not indicate illegal behavior, and Schiff needs to get his candy ass back to work. These sham hearings are fantasy, as are any inclination that President Trump has done anything worthy of impeachment.

    The burden of proof has not been satisfied, yet HOR is moving forward in secret like the KGB .. er .. CIA .. er .. Stasi .. er Gestapo .. er .. whatever.

    Just pass USMCA so we can get our country working and build on successes.

  94. o 2019-10-24 12:52

    John Dale: “Just pass USMCA so we can get our country working and build on successes.”

    To what end, Canada has not ratified either. The US cannot single-handedly adopt a multi-national deal. What is their hang up?

    There is no “burden of proof” for an investigation. The burden of proof is for conviction – the Senate decides that. Now I think you are again deliberately confusing the process.

    I am saying guilty based on the facts of the incident as reported by the Trump Administration (in the released transcript) and subsequent investigation. To be clear, how do you come to the conclusion (because from my watching it is ONLY you) that what President Trump did was not illegal; what do you understand that nobody else seems to? Congress doing its Constitutional duty of checking potential illegal activity of the Executive branch ABSOLUTELY justifies — if not outweighs — its legislative responsibilities.

    Please add Trey Gowdy to your list of those who work in secret: he says the need for confidential hearings is imperative on issues of National Security and safety concerns for witnesses. How can you possibly say that the Trump administration can call these things national secrets (and put them on secure servers), but then not treat testimony over these issues and national secrets. Choose a lane.

    If dereliction of legislative duties is an issue for you, where is the outrage for “Grim Reaper” McConnell and his Senate “dead zone?”

  95. mike from iowa 2019-10-24 13:04

    Johnny Fraud, those Russian beans are sure working up a blow. Drumpf is being investigated because he has broken several laws and is a pathological liar. All your deflections and jumps down various rabbit holes will not save him. If wingnuts put country ahead of their agenda, Drumpf is toast before his first bogus term is up. Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

  96. John Dale 2019-10-24 13:41

    o – “what President Trump did was not illegal”

    Good question, o.

    I am not a lawyer, but my sensibilities tell me that President Trump is engaged in a war with a rogue intelligence complex operating through the Ukraine. He can and should play by wartime rules.

  97. Porter Lansing 2019-10-24 14:23

    The southern half of Colorado as well as the southern half of California and Arizona, Texas, and New Mexico in fact DO belong to Mexico. Stolen as war booty after the Mexican-American war was fought to defend the illegal annexation of Texas in 1845 (manifest destiny, ya’ know). The southern half of CO has ranches and land still owned by descendants from Mexico that have been there since before USA was a country. It’s in fact, my favorite part of the state. It’s agricultural, growing hard beans, quinoa, potatoes, green chiles, and our world famous Rocky Ford cantaloupes.
    So, if Donnie DarkHeart wants to build a wall in Colorado he should move it about 500 miles north of the New Mexico border and do the right thing (as SD should do with Indian treaty lands). VIVA la RAZA!!

  98. Robin Friday 2019-10-24 14:24

    There’s nothing illegal abut closed-door hearings in the early stages of an investigation, especially one that concerns global issues. It rankles us, sure, but most of us are intelligent enough to know that in the early stages, keeping the intel and the testimony contained is crucial. This is not something recently invented by Democrats. Neither is leaking a brand new phenomenon. It’s been used for decades, centuries by all parties. It’s in all the history books.

  99. mike from iowa 2019-10-24 15:03

    Way to avoid O’s main point, which was you saying he is not guilty. You are running out of rabbit holes. They are on to your little weasel tricks.

  100. Robin Friday 2019-10-24 15:34

    Former Judge Andrew Napolitano from Fox News: “As frustrating as it may be to have these hearings going on behind closed doors … they are consistent with the rules. … When were the rules written last? In January of 2015. And who signed them? John Boehner. And who enacted them? A Republican majority.”

  101. mike from iowa 2019-10-24 15:40

    Wingnuts planned their invasion of secured room two days in advance with Drumpf. Another impeachable offense for Trolls to defend.

    Good find, Robin. :)

  102. Robin Friday 2019-10-24 15:43

    “Trump and his Republican supporters have repeatedly argued that the Democratic-led impeachment inquiry has been conducted improperly because the testimony of witnesses has been carried out in close-door hearings. On Wednesday morning, a group of GOP representatives, some of whom did not serve on the investigating committees, stormed one of those secure depositions, chanting “let us in.” This delayed the hearing, but it eventually went forward in the afternoon with only the Democrats and Republicans serving on the relevant committees permitted to attend.”

  103. Robin Friday 2019-10-24 15:46

    I wonder if that’s when the bit about “the president cannot be indicted” was added. Since when? That is an atrocity that, once discovered, should be eliminated ASAP.

  104. Debbo 2019-10-24 16:31

    Today it’s Opinion Page Editor of the Minneapolis Star Tribune (Strib) writing about the GOP and Treacherous Traitor created “Deep State” shadow government:

    “[William B.] Taylor came to the queasy but inescapable conclusion that his official mission was at odds with a second, unofficial — and arguably more powerful — group led by trump’s personal attorney, Rudy Giuliani, who holds no position within the federal government.”

    The very definition of the “deep state.”

    I wonder how the trumpelstilskins feel after learning that it’s their own white knight in rusting armor who’s leading the [cue ominous music] “Deep State” of their fevered and paranoid dreams?

    [Cue irrational, anti-reality, denial.]

  105. Debbo 2019-10-24 16:37

    If you support Rancid Racist, who equated the lawful impeachment inquiry process now taking place in the House to a “lynching,” then you must read this. Yes, MUST. If you can support the scum that made such a vile claim, then you can read this or Shut. Up.

    It’s a description of what lynching really is. Do it.

  106. Robin Friday 2019-10-24 17:04

    Yes, Mike, and they evidently planned it for the day when Pelosi would be attending her brother’s funeral.

  107. Debbo 2019-10-24 17:49

    Some news on the near future of the hearings.

    “One of the two indicted associates of President Trump’s personal lawyer, Rudolph W. Giuliani, … tied the case to the president himself, saying that some of the evidence gathered in the campaign-finance investigation could be subject to executive privilege. (N.Y. Times)

    “What’s next … ‘House Democrats are preparing to move their largely private impeachment inquiry onto a more public stage as soon as mid-November,’ per the WashPost.”

    Mike Allen, Axios

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