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China Suspends Ag Purchases from U.S.

Senator John Thune went on WNAX yesterday to admit that the Trump tariffs are impacting our economy, but he asserted that Trump’s trade team assure him that the tariffs are getting China’s attention.

They sure are: seeing their July soybean nicey-nice go for naught, the Chinese say they’re done buying American agricultural products:

A spokesperson for the Chinese Ministry of Commerce said Chinese companies have stopped purchasing U.S. agricultural products in response to President Trump’s new 10% tariffs on $300 billion of Chinese goods.

…China is one of the largest buyers of U.S. agriculture. Bloomberg News reported that Beijing may stop importing them completely in response to new tariffs by the United States. According to reports by Chinese State media, it would also consider slapping tariffs on U.S. agricultural products that it already bought [Kate Rooney, “China Confirms It Is Suspending Agricultural Product Purchases in Response to Trump’s New Tariffs,” CNBC, 2019.08.05].

Senator Thune is having town hall meetings with his “most trusted advisers” during the August recess. Maybe he’ll listen to us advisors and sponsor legislation to end the tariffs and their detrimental impact on South Dakota and reopen global markets to South Dakota producers.

Congressman Dusty Johnson stopped in Miller yesterday to hear about “this year’s farming ups and downs.” Tell me again where the ups are in the trade war with China?

Senator Mike Rounds cheered the new beef deal with the European Union; at least he occasionally remembers the value of free trade.

But thank goodness for socialism: the USDA opened applications for the Market Facilitation Program Trumpwelfare checks for farmers yesterday.


  1. John Dale 2019-08-06 07:15

    Good. Also, I was happy to see the correction in technology stocks.

    This is tantamount to the little skinny kid in the school yard standing up to the bully and bloodying his nose.

    Yes, you’re going to get hit, but you have to stand up for yourself against a bully.

    China’s manipulation of their currency won’t help them. Our older brother just jumped the fence and he’s running this way, and China’s industry is HORKED.

    Start thinking carefully about domestic manufacturing. Do we really need all these cheap plastic toys?


    What DO we really need? Farmers producing organic food and HEMP OIL.

  2. jerry 2019-08-06 08:48

    Great post Cory. Regarding the link to EB5 Rounds, if you roll down on the comments a little, you can see who was the beneficiary for the rate cut by the FED, of course, it was trump.

    So far, everything trump has tried to screw China with has been served back to America with ease and will continue to be done that way. The best thing for the world would be for both the US and China to let it all go back to where it was 2 years ago, but that wouldn’t be good for trump’s own wallet, so that won’t happen until we impeach his sorry arse. Look for more consumer pain as we approach we approach the guilt of Christmas giving.

    Ag bankers will now wonder what the hell to do with the bad paper they are holding.

  3. John Dale 2019-08-06 08:59

    jerry – so just give-in to the bully and nothing bad will happen in the future? We had a huge trade deficit that would eventually have been our undoing in all sectors.

    In exchange for some pain now, I expect a stronger economy to emerge assuming we continue standing up for ourselves and repatriating manufacturing and (more importantly) technology.

    I plan to have a drink this evening specifically to celebrate Apple’s stock losing so much value. China can have them. Americans have better ideas for the employment of technology that will help the economy, be more constitutional, and generally make life better.

  4. bearcreekbat 2019-08-06 10:47

    John Dale has an interesting perception of the US – “the little skinny kid in the school yard,” especially given what it seems to say about our military and other symbols of strength. I guess this perception is consistent with studies showing the enhanced amygdala of conservatives.

  5. mike from iowa 2019-08-06 10:53

    By all appearances, Trump thought he could simply bully China into submission. It’s not working.

    Part of this is clearly an extension of a deeply flawed strategy, but I continue to believe another relevant angle is the American president’s confusion about what trade is.

    Late last week, for example, in reference to China, easily the United States’ largest trading partner, Trump told reporters, “If they don’t want to trade with us anymore, that would be fine with me. It would save a lot of money.”

    No, it wouldn’t. That’s bonkers. Every day, American consumers buy less-expensive products because they’re made in China, just as American exporters, every day, sell products to the huge Chinese market.

    The idea that the United States would “save a lot of money” by ending trade with China is as foolish as arguing that China is paying us billions of dollars by way of Trump’s tariffs – a bogus claim the American president continues to repeat, convinced of its accuracy.

    It’s one thing for Trump to struggle with a trade war he thought would be “easy” to win; it’s something else for Trump to struggle with a trade war because he’s not altogether sure how trade works.

    Apparently, neither does John Dale. Recently, the Dow dropped 1500 points to a lower total than where it was when Drumpf started his easy to win trade war. I can guarantee everyone, Drumpf will feel no pain from destroying American farmers.

  6. bearcreekbat 2019-08-06 11:33

    mfi, I have to disagree with the idea that Trump is “convinced of [the] accuracy” of his trade claims. He has fully confirmed what we have known about him for years – he is a blatant con man and liar. I think the evidence shows the main thing he is “convinced of its accuracy,” is that the gullibility of enough people means his lies and gaslighting will benefit him and his family. What’s the count now – over 10,000 confirmed false and misleading statement since taking office?

  7. John Dale 2019-08-06 11:38

    bearcreekbat – So, conservatives are more aware of the threat-scape and more willing to react to protect themselves.

    I hope we didn’t waste too much money on that study, which concludes what we already know. Conservatives are better husbands, fathers, and protectors.

    Furthermore, to claim something is not a threat when is actually a threat (like a wide open border) is a form of gas-lighting.

    I don’t pet sharks, I don’t kiss snakes, and I don’t want an unfettered open border.

    mike from iowa – how could you possibly know what someone is thinking? “blatant con man and liar” – if Mueller could not establish that with a budget of $40,000,000, what makes you think you can?

  8. mike from iowa 2019-08-06 11:56

    “blatant con man and liar” – It has already been proven, beyond any doubt whatsoever, Drumpf is a blatant con man and liar.

    Mueller was never charged with proving Drumpf was either. Nice attempt at deflection.

  9. bearcreekbat 2019-08-06 12:14

    John Dale, anyone who is afraid of “open borders” must be scared to death to live in South Dakota as we have “open borders” and even let people from liberal states like California and Minnestoa cross with neither restrictions nor South Dakota papers. Plus people crossing the invisible line of our border are allowed to conceal carry without a permit and SD state law doesn’t even permitting targeting either people of color or people born in, or with ancestors from, a different country who cross our invisible line. Perhaps “open borders” are not as dangerous as some folks fear.

    Indeed, the goal of Trumpist “open border” propaganda is to create irrational fear of “others.” But the problem is, an invisible line in the sand (i.e. a border) is not a rational way to determine whether someone is a threat to safety or not. The misdemeanor of crossing a border without papers is a victimless crime that perpetrates no violence nor loss of property, and has no connection whatsover to whether the person crossing is dangerous or is simply seeking safety in the USA.

  10. jerry 2019-08-06 12:25

    Open borders in Europe are why Americans love to travel there. What a refreshing idea to board a train or cool car and just go to a different country with no hassles.

  11. jerry 2019-08-06 12:40

    Europeans demand beef that is organic, now, if we could figure out the non GMO soybeans, we could have one helluva market in the EU. “Of the 45,000 tons of non-hormone treated beef allowed into the EU every year, the U.S. will now supply 35,000 tons. WASHINGTON—President Trump cheered an agreement to open the European Union to more U.S. beef exports during a White House event Friday” So there is that. Good for the ranchers who produce products that can be sold on the international markets to compete.

  12. John Dale 2019-08-06 13:29

    bearcreekbat – “anyone who is afraid of “open borders” must be scared to death to live in South Dakota”

    I lived, studied, loved, and worked in Tucson for 18 years. Two of my children were born 56 minutes from our Southern border. I was a business owner in Nogales, Arizona, and have many friends there of all colors who are mixed-in with some very bad things happening there.

    Coming back home to South Dakota was strategic to prevent injury to my family and I should chaotic indiscriminate violence break out there quickly. My feeling a decade ago was that people would start taking to the streets and attacking white males for being white, male, and having love of country.

    I was correct, and I am very glad I came home even if we somehow manage to stop this sham race war.

  13. Porter Lansing 2019-08-06 15:15

    Blatant con-man and liar? How many times has Pres. Trump said that China is paying us billions in tariffs? China holds over $1.3 trillion in USA debt. They’re not paying us one “red cent” and if our White Supremacy Presidency doesn’t understand that, we’re in even bigger trouble.

  14. bearcreekbat 2019-08-06 15:17

    So John Dale, your last comment seems to suggest that you are neither afraid of “open borders” nor believe that they someone can magically identify the character of someone crossing that open border?

    There are good people and bad people in SD, other states and other countries. An invisible line in the sand, a “border,” tells us absolutely nothing about who is good or bad. Thus, your attitude about the safety of SD’s “open borders” is refreshing and can help inform you whether your fear of an “open southern border” is actually rational or is a result of negative and false propaganda.

    I am off for a few days but will be back.

  15. John Dale 2019-08-06 15:51

    bearcreekbat – Borders have been around for a long time. There are borders around your money (wallet), around your home (walls), around your body (skin). They delineate property, assist in navigation, and define geographic domains wherein there is an expectation of shared values (culture).

    There are many fantastical arguments for having borders historical and contemporary; The Great Wall of China slowed the advance of attacking enemies, Nancy Pelosi’s house is delineated by a wall, The White House is protected by a fence, and prison cells are surrounded in border bars.

    With the slowing of the advancement of those encroaching upon the borders comes the ability of those tasked with protecting those inside from those outside to more effectively gauge the threat, evaluate capacities, and mitigate the risk and displeasure of those we have to turn away.

    At the opposite end of the spectrum of fear, with respect to this issue, is gullibility.

    If we are too gullible, China or Russia will start mining uranium and pollute the water of the hills if they can get past our borders. Mexico will increase the meth trade if they can get more tonnage through the South. Human traffickers will export more of our young people to live destitute lives as human sexual slaves (this is not to neglect our own domestic problems with the deep state, who, once they are done feeding on patriots would turn on their allies for nourishment).

    I hope this clarifies my perception of why we must not hesitate to build an obstruction on the southern border that allows us to take more accurate data by slowing down the influx, and has the added benefit of adding disincentive those considering making the journey and crossing illegally.

  16. jerry 2019-08-06 16:57

    Montreal is where most of the hard drugs come in. Want to build a build at the northern border? No difference.

    Shall we build wall around the airports where most of the overstaying guests come into?

  17. John Dale 2019-08-06 17:18

    jerry – I would also advocate for increasing the security of the Northern border.

    Do you have stats that back up the claim of most of the hard drugs coming in from the North?

    I thought the cartels were bringing in the fentanyl, heroin, and meth mostly through the south.

  18. jerry 2019-08-06 17:45

    US Customs and Border Protection’s own statistics. Racists are often too busy to read tax payer funded reports, if they are even literate. In my travels in the US, and in particular, South Dakota, I have found many who lack the ability to read. Some men will just hand off paperwork to their wives “because she understands what that stuff means”. So here you go. You can go to their website for even further statistics on how the taxpayers are getting bamboozled regarding the farce of a fence on the southern border.

    “According to U.S. Customs and Border Protection statistics, 90 percent of heroin seized along the border, 88 percent of cocaine, 87 percent of methamphetamine, and 80 percent of fentanyl in the first 11 months of the 2018 fiscal year was caught trying to be smuggled in at legal crossing points.”

  19. Cory Allen Heidelberger Post author | 2019-08-06 17:55

    Funny the excuses Trumpists make for Trump’s tax increases, welfare checks, damage to the economy, and heavy-handed government interference in the free market.

    Everyone was voting with their dollars pre-Trump. Everyone heard the litany of complaints about China’s trade policy pre-Trump, and everyone kept buying Chinese stuff, seeking Chinese buyers for their stuff, and building factories in China. This newfound enthusiasm for taxing consumers and shutting down global trade flies in the face of every bottom-line assessment that every player in the market was making before they had to start making excuses for Trump and the harm he’s doing to us now.

  20. Caleb 2019-08-06 19:43

    “the deep state, who, once they are done feeding on patriots”

    John Dale, to what kind of patriot do you refer? And to what part(s) of the “deep state”? Also, do you have any link to the claim regarding conservative fathers?

  21. John Dale 2019-08-06 19:59

    Caleb – thank you for asking. I refer to patriots that stand-up to the influence of the media, technology industry, and intelligence community who are all trampling on the 1st, 4th, and 5th Amendments (at least) through the operations of their organizations. I refer to patriots that believe in western values and understand where they came from while wanting prosperity for everyone here, regardless of color, who wants to be a part of building better lives through free market economies.

    You’ll have to forgive me. I have written so many thousands of words here in the last few days that I don’t quite have my finger in the context of your question regarding “conservative fathers”.

    The deep state, generally speaking, is the organization originally formed to provide continuity of government should something happen to elected officials (disaster, nuclear war, other). This apparatus got impatient in my estimation, and started pushing the envelope of discovery into what it would take to foment change out of order and step with the constitution. In addition, elements of many quarters of our government and media complex are under the influence of China (Hollywood), who seeks to dominate and control The United States on behalf of the global banking cartels that attempted to usher in the Chinese century.

    In a geopolitical nightmare scenario, China’s brazenness might have accompanied the success of their present global imperialist movement if Hillary Clinton had been elected.

    These things are quite complicated. Today on his show, Alex Jones lays out a very nice expose’ on the predicates and historical context of India’s recent green light to retake Kashmir by force.

    Alex Jones’ extensive survey of PhD level history literature and his ability to orate make learning historical context and current events fun and lively. I recommend catching today to find out what folks might be missing through traditional media channels.

  22. Buckobear 2019-08-06 20:01

    The occupant of the oval orfice thought he could bully the Chinese because his underlying rascism has convinced him that they are an “inferior race.”
    He can’t get past it. Every one of his actions are driven by his ignorance, narcissim and desire for racial purity.
    I have zero sympathy for our agricultiralists. You voted for this idiot ( I would usse another word, but out of respect for Cory, I won’t). Like they say, elections have consequences …… time to consider your self-interest and stop whining like a puppy.
    We had our chance in ’18 and we didn’t take it. Noone to blame but those that can’t recognize the difference between an “R” (go backwards) and a “D” ( go forward). I shudder to think of you behind the wheel.

  23. John Dale 2019-08-06 20:08

    Buckobear – I think the trade war with China is going pretty well. Hopefully the news reports India’s activity with Kashmir. We have China locked-in. Have you been keeping-up with Hong Kong? It’s a mess, and I think we will end-up making a lot of money from the way Trump is handling the difficult and abusive relationship we have with China. Last year we overpaid them half a trillion via our trade deficit. Yikes!

  24. O 2019-08-06 20:24

    John, I don’t think “trade deficit” means what you think it means. It is not a policy of government spending policy (like a normal deficit).

  25. Buckobear 2019-08-06 20:39

    For the uninformed, that’s what the “Bears” said when presented with the idea of the “Wild Weasels.”
    Stay in your alternate universe Mr Dale — sleep well tonite.

  26. John Dale 2019-08-06 20:57

    O – My understanding is that our trade deficit with any particular country is the dollar amount of goods we ship out minus the dollar amount of goods we import. Therefore, when “we” moved much of our manufacturing base to China starting in the 70’s, the result was that we imported goods from China in excess of what we exported to them.

    That is my basic understanding. I understand that we can make up the deficit with China through trading with other nations in our areas of production strength (military arms, z.b.). Have we done that?

    So, enlighten me.

  27. John Dale 2019-08-06 20:58

    YGTBSM – shallow rhetoric does not win the intellectual day. A person really has to work at it. You sleep well, too!

  28. Clyde 2019-08-06 21:40

    I’m wondering how Smithfield fits into this suspention of all imports? They shut down packing plants because they were only going to kill and gut the hog here while the final dressing would be done in China. If they aren’t going to take pork from their Chinese owned company someone is going to have to take up the slack.

  29. Debbo 2019-08-06 21:56

    I guess we really shouldn’t be surprised that Rancid Racist is failing at US trade, since he’s failed at pretty much everything he’s ever been involved in. Bankruptcies, bad debts, stiffing contractors, marriages, parenting, relationships, honesty, reputation, physical condition. And now he’s failing spectacularly at politics.

    I don’t know if there is anything he has honestly succeeded at. Since he loves referring to himself with superlatives, I have one for him:

    World’s Worst Loser.

  30. Donald Pay 2019-08-06 21:56

    If this trade issue was football, Trump’s strategy is to win the first quarter of the first playoff game of the season, while China is playing to win the Superbowl at the end of the season. China knows it can just wait out Trump, if it wants to. They have alternative sources of soybeans. From an economic and logistical standpoint China would prefer to get their soybeans in big shipments from the US, rather than deal with all the different supply chains and seasons from other countries, but they are adjusting to the new reality and are now realizing that food security issues are more important than economics and logistics. After Trump inevitably loses the first quarter of the first playoff game, China will purchase US products, but never approaching the amounts they bought before. The lesson they learned is that the US is not a reliable trade partner.

  31. John Dale 2019-08-06 22:48

    Donald Pay – I like the football analogy, but I think the fans are disappointed that the first quarter wasn’t a blowout.

    Maybe a heavyweight fight analogy would work better. China’s recent currency manipulation is like biting the ear. They have always cheated to get ahead.

    But cheaters never win.

  32. John Dale 2019-08-06 22:53

    “Anyone who studies the history of ideas should notice how much more often people on the political left, more so than others, denigrate and demonize those who disagree with them — instead of answering their arguments.” — Thomas Sowell

  33. jerry 2019-08-06 23:28

    Thomas Sowell is an idiot, a useful idiot, but still and idiot.

  34. jerry 2019-08-06 23:31

    China did not manipulate currency or anything else, the United States sure did though. trump browbeat old Jerome into lowering the interest rate 1/2 point, that is called manipulation of our monetary fund.

  35. Debbo 2019-08-06 23:39

    “Bankruptcies in three regions covering major farm states last year rose to the highest level in at least 10 years. The Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals, which includes Illinois, Indiana and Wisconsin, had double the bankruptcies in 2018 compared with 2008. In the Eighth Circuit, which includes states from North Dakota to Arkansas, bankruptcies swelled 96%. The 10th Circuit, which covers Kansas and other states, last year had 59% more bankruptcies than a decade earlier.”
    Wall Street Journal

    Jerry, absolutely right about Sowell. His words are about as valuable as the used toilet paper they’re written on. But, this is the USA. He’s welcome to his errant opinion.

  36. John Dale 2019-08-07 08:01

    jerry – “Senior Fellow at the Hoover Institution, Stanford University” — Thomas Sowell

    Idiot? Really?

    I think you have been radicalized.

    Furthermore, this hot off the presses this week:

    China definitely manipulated their currency (cheated).

    Debbo – The “family” farm came under attack long before Trump. or his tariffs. Now, with India moving to cut-off China’s food supplies, US beef, swine, soy, rice, corn, and other farm based exports are shaping-up.

  37. jerry 2019-08-07 08:19

    Thomas Sowell-Idiot Emeritus Dude is just smart enough to wipe himself after his big job.

  38. jerry 2019-08-07 08:30

    China is not a currency manipulator. We here hung that on them because we got our fee fees hurt from being such dumb asses. Ask farmers about that.

    Bloomberg says this. America’s position on this is pretty weak tea.

    “The surprise announcement by the US Treasury labelling China a “currency manipulator” raises a lot of questions. The answers to two of them in particular shed light on how trade tensions are likely to play out between the two largest economies in the world.
    Is the label justified?
    China does not currently fit the often-stated criteria for being a currency manipulator. While it still runs a trade surplus, its overall current position has not been in a persistent surplus. Its international reserves have declined in the last few years, as have its holdings of US Treasuries.
    And to the extent that the authorities have influenced the exchange-rate-setting process – and they have – it’s been to slow the weakening of the currency rather than accentuate it. Indeed, if the Treasury Department labels China a currency manipulator based on recent actions, it should have done so years ago as well.”

    So then, why is it now? Methinks it’s because China now has us in the position of “losing face”, we have already lost our arse’s so the face will seem to match.
    Clearly a Thomas Sowell idiot moment in our time.

  39. John Dale 2019-08-07 08:38

    jerry – Remember you’re not arguing with me. You’re arguing with the US Treasury.

    Your comments on this and Sowell, despite the opposite clearly being true have eroded your credibility. Reconsider for the sake of your own reputation.

    “Thomas Sowell. Sowell has written more than thirty books (a number of which have been reprinted in revised editions), and his work has been widely anthologized. He is a National Humanities Medal recipient for innovative scholarship which incorporated history, economics and political science.”

    How many of Sowell’s books have you read?

  40. Porter Lansing 2019-08-07 13:47

    When China sells it’s $1.3T in U.S. Treasury bonds, the dollar will be weakened and ag commodity prices will go up. Who knows why China isn’t selling those bonds, even though they need the cash?

  41. John Dale 2019-08-07 13:52

    Porter Lansing – I suspect it’s because Russia, Japan, South Korea, India, and The United States are ready to kick China’s ass?

    India’s recent military incursion into Kashmir cut-off a major food and water supply line to mainland China.

  42. jerry 2019-08-07 14:00

    I know of a guy that wrote a book once, then he wrote another. Any damn fool can write a book as long as you have the money to publish it and that doesn’t cost to much. Sowell is an idiot.

    No one is gonna kick China’s ass. Those that you named are in the Belt and Road. Turn off Fox news and Jones, then pull your head out. You’re like having a discussion with my neighbor’s cat.

  43. jerry 2019-08-07 14:03

    “Trump’s trade war will cause deep, lasting losses for the United States. Russia, China, and Iran are all on the same continent. As we speak, they’re constructing better highways, railways, and pipelines to facilitate trade with each other. Furthermore, Russia is the largest country on earth and has incalculably vast, untapped natural resources. His tariffs have already prompted the Chinese to start importing Russian crops. That business is probably not coming back to our shores. I’m sorry, my conservative friends, but Trump is going to be much less successful at forcing the Chinese to the bargaining table than you seem to think. Instead, they might be waking up to the reality that they don’t really need our business as much as they have in the past.”

    Cha, they’re gonna kick ass alright, ours in trade.

  44. John Dale 2019-08-07 14:21

    jerry – ipso facto .. I’m willing to wait and see and I’ll be satisfied with the result because we stuck up for ourselves. I see no reason to give China any charity when they have global banking favor and treat their people horribly.

  45. Debbo 2019-08-07 14:25

    It’s always fun to read someone who links to “AJ” and then calls others “radicalized” and expresses concern for their “reputation.” dale is a hoot!

    In the meantime, Economic Eunuch continues his history of total incompetence on pretty much every level. This time it’s the entire USA that’s suffering the consequences. 😡😡😡

  46. Caleb 2019-08-07 14:26

    John Dale, I know nothing of Sowell, but his comment regarding the history of ideas blatantly disregards demonizing and denigration of the left, by the right, in lieu of critical argument, throughout history. Given current common rhetoric, I think both sides contain large amounts of people stuck in that unproductive, petty behavior.

    I asked which patriots, because I’m troubled by the massive tendency within our society to selectively apply the term, based more on how individuals identify than on whether such individuals intend their actions to support their country. I’m also concerned that various patriots see each other as not patriotic simply because through different avenues of indoctrination, they hold different ideas of what the country is (all of them incomplete, cos we’re humans) and should be. Which prompts more questions: what western values had you in mind? Do you see eastern or southern values as being at odds with preserving our country? If so, which ones?

    I think you and I could likely agree on many ideas. Seems to me our intelligence agencies focus primarily on persecuting individuals and groups standing against corporate and banking America’s interests, infringing in the process upon the Amendments you mentioned. I also think your description of the deep state appears fitting.

    But as far as China’s influence on the US, I know little more than scandals with our State government, because I’ve focused most my political attention throughout life on what influence the US has had on the rest of the world. So regarding Hollywood, I’d recommend “National Security Cinema” by Matthew Alford and Tom Secker. And regarding the idea of banks intending a Chinese Century (this is the first I’ve come across the idea, not saying I don’t believe it), I wonder how much The Project for the New American Century (not the organization, but the broad goal) may be at odds or in step with such an idea. Hilary was a hawk, though, so I’m more inclined to believe her being in office would result more in expanding the US empire than in supporting a Chinese one.

    I agree geopolitics are extremely complex. I have no faith in traditional news sources explaining them accurately. But I similarly distrust Alex Jones and Info Wars. I haven’t looked into him for years, though, so will check out the bit on Kashmir. Thanks for the recommendation.

  47. John Dale 2019-08-07 14:33

    Debbo – links to “AJ” and then calls others “radicalized”

    Linking to a source does not constitute radicalization. Alex Jones is either wrong or right on a variety of topics from gay frogs (Atrazine) to the CFR to Bohemian Grove. He’s not right about everything, but that is not a pre-requisit of non-radicalization.

    My linking to does not constitute radicalization.

    Words I’ve send, ideas I’ve contributed, arguments I’ve made .. have I once called for violence against anyone? Who has?

  48. John Dale 2019-08-07 14:48

    Caleb – I appreciate the well worded response.

    “simply because through different avenues of indoctrination, they hold different ideas of what the country is ”

    This is very insightful. Schools, around the dinner table, at the work place, and now, on the Internet – all places where ideas are formulated.

    A couple of decades ago I worked for Pearson Education in Mesa, Arizona as a J2EE engineer. They spend 20+ million in just over two years to create a centralized, encompassing software solution for American education; a British company! They clearly understand that education is up stream of culture, that culture is up stream of politics, that politics are up stream of law, and that law can be the ultimate tool of social control.

    You, me, Debbo, and others here .. right now are deciding what our indoctrination can and should be. All the folks are indoctrinated whether at their grandma’s knee or in a gulag or in a k-12 classroom. That’s where values are transferred and potentially forwarded (potentially because I believe there are some innate human traits that prevent certain behaviors).

    Beliefs in higher powers, beliefs in the existence of good and evil, of the need to be moral and ethical. All of this, at one point or another, in part or in whole, are learned or augmented by the totality of our human experience on Earth.

    This is a very nebulous process wherein we can’t predict outcomes as much as our AI creating overlords would like to presume. A lot of what we do requires faith not necessarily in a god, but rather that when we allow people to be free and agent, that an innate sense of the importance of being good will manifest and overtake evil, pain, mistrust, and suffering.

    “intelligence agencies focus primarily on persecuting individuals and groups standing against corporate and banking America’s interests”

    That’s exactly correct, and another insightful comment. When you follow the money, as Snowden/Wikileaks/DNC disclosures confirmed, US intelligence communities are fighting for corporate interests that hold us hostage to our need for food, shelter, clothing, etc. The Singularity is a moment in time now past wherein robots that make the robots that make the stuff have been invented and manufactured. Now, it’s a matter of the allocation of the spoils of that. Will good people have control, or will totalitarian greed and drug addicted satanists have control? It’s the struggle of our time as humanity sits in the precipice of an inevitable dichotomy; will our technology be used to usher a new enlightenment or a new dark age. Other disclosures by Leo Zagami, William Cooper, and others confirm that there are very dark forces pursuing the power of the Singularity to satisfy their darkest human desires for power. In the process, they threaten to kill us and everything on the planet more quickly than global warming.

    The CFR and UN have documentation supporting the notion that communist China is the preferred model for global banking cartels and technocratic fascists. With Apple and other US firms moving their to headquarter their operations, the plan as I understand it was to leverage China’s cash flows and manufacturing capabilities to roll-out a global social credit score (the Chinese Communist model) globally to unify and dominate mankind. There are actually super villains out there like George Soros who are pursuing this. Some people play monopoly, some people play monopoly for real. regularly links to CNN, MSNBC, and other news sources in the process of performing its cutting edge analysis. I don’t ever recall CNN or the other major news outlets (excluding Drudge Report of course) linking back to InfoWars. That is telling.

    Thanks for taking the time to read and write insightful comments!



  49. mike from iowa 2019-08-07 15:04

    Dale must be getting paid by the column inch. Alex Jones? OMG!

  50. John Dale 2019-08-07 15:14

    mike from iowa – “Dale must be getting paid by the column inch”


    I wish I was getting paid by the number of falsifications that I quote.

    Da da, CHING!


  51. o 2019-08-07 16:52

    So why does a trade deficit wit China matter? It is not “national” trade in that we are only talking Chinese companies and U.S. consumers not trade between the government of China and the Government of the US. We have also established that there has been U.S. corporate/manufacturing flight to China, so we are talking, in part, about things once made IN the U.S. not BY the U.S.

    To me this is again creation a straw man – a distraction – to blame the “Chinese” for the United States not valuing manufacturing (really the workers in manufacturing) enough to promote, engage, and support that manufacturing in the U.S. Maybe there is again an element of racism/xenophobia to say that our nation’s problems are caused by OTHER nations.

    Unfair trade practices like subsidizing domestic production or taxing foreign imports are national policies that we ought to discuss. Right now, those seem to be the Trump pathway on trade. The U.S. seems to be taking the protectionist measures traditionally the hallmarks of unfair trade.

    China’s devaluation if its currency IS a national policy that hampers fair trade; that is a policy issue nations ought to discuss.

    Let us also remember that Businessman Trump’s background was finance – not manufacturing/production.

  52. mike from iowa 2019-08-07 17:02

    I wish I was getting paid by the number of falsifications that I quote.

    Da da, CHING!

    From the mouth of Alex Jones babe.

  53. Caleb 2019-08-07 19:52

    John Dale, I agree with your line between social control and education. I agree with the idea indoctrination happens at all levels of social interaction. I agree our beliefs are learned or augmented by the totality of our experience, and that it’s an ongoing nebulous process.

    However, I no longer have much faith in good will winning out over evil, pain, mistrust, and suffering, judging by the way surveillance capitalism, with its tools of social media, search engines, facial recognition, etc, appears to have such a strong hold on a majority of people. And I’m thinking here about the things to which you allude, like powerful people trying to seize totality in the sectors of AI, autonomous weapons, genetic modification, surveillance, etc. But I do agree with the potential for people lusting after power to kill more humans more swiftly than climate change threatens.

    If you have links to those CFR and UN documents you referenced, I’d love to read them. I could easily believe in the plan you have suggested, recognizing the world is largely run by people with no allegiance to any nation, but instead to particular global agendas. The social credit score angers and scares me, especially knowing China relies on US technology for much of it. In that way, I could believe China is largely a testing ground for something meant for the rest of the world.

    While I don’t think of any people in as simple of terms as supervillain, for the sake of simplicity I would throw some in the category: Peter Thiel, Mark Zuckerberg, Jeff Bezos, Bill Gates, John Bolton, Eric Prince, and many more I’m forgetting (I run a business which has unfortunately left me thinking of and consuming little politics the last four months).

    I appreciate you noting CNN, MSNBC, etc not linking to Infowars. The extent to which such sites generally link only to themselves is a large part of why I stopped trusting them many years back. When looking at an Infowars article earlier today titled “Sick Film Shows Liberal Elites…”, however, I found the same issue with that site, too. The article links to The Hollywood Reporter once, Daily Caller once, Breitbart once, and Infowars twice. With those links, I’d say a strong bias is apparent. What also suggests as much to me is the article not mentioning the film is a Blumhouse satire, as The Hollywood Reporter mentioned, but instead implying the film encourages people to target personal violence based on political views, and especially against the right/conservatives.

    Another concern about Infowars is that it appears aimed at stoking partisan tensions. I see one video about the Christchurch mosque shooter’s Manifesto. In introducing it, Jones states that Terrant “traveled the world, including North Korea and Pakistan” and that “he loves Communist China, hates conservatives, hates Christians. The media is calling him a white Christian.” And Jones goes on to say of Terrant that “He’s not a Christian”. But having read the shooter’s manifesto titled “The Great Replacement”, I know such claims are false, or at least not yet known.

    In his writing, Terrant laid out specific questions and answers to them. One question is “Were/are you a conservative?”, to which he answers “No, conservatism is corporatism in disguise, I want no part of it.” Another questions is “Were/are you a Christian?”, to which he answers “That is complicated. When I know, I will tell you.” Another question is “Were/are you a fascist?”, to which he answers that he is, but to which he also states “The nation with the closest political and social values to my own is the People’s Republic of China.”

    Further in he has prompts followed by paragraphs. One prompt is “To Conservatives”, which he follows up with the idea nothing has been conserved – not the natural environment, not Western culture, not ethnic autonomy, not religion, no nation, no race – and ends with “Not a thing has been conserved other than corporate profits and the the ever increasing wealth of the 1% that exploit the people for their own benefit. Conservatism is dead. Thank god. Now let us bury it and move on to something of worth.” I see no evidence of his hating Conservatives.

    Another prompt is “To Christians”, which he follows up with quotes apparently from Pope Urban II, in which I find nothing suggesting any hate for Christians.

    And another prompt is “To Antifa/Marxists/Communists”, which he follows up in terse manner, saying “I do not want to convert you, I do not want to come to an understanding. Egalitarians and those that believe in heirachy will never come to terms. I don’t want you by my side or I don’t want share power. I want you in my sights. I want your neck under my boot.” He clearly has hatred for Communists.

    In my opinion, Jones has clearly and intentionally skewed the whole situation.

    Those are just two pieces, and as you’ve suggested, Alex Jones and Infowars, like anybody else, can be correct about many things and incorrect about any other number of things. What concerns me, though, is that he appears to be a fearmonger first and foremost, which I say based on my belief he is never as scared as his tone, diction, framing, and delivery suggest people should be. I believe he is more of a distraction than anything, using bits of truth to support his unfounded claims.

    Anyway, thank you as well, John, for taking so much time and being so frank.

  54. Caleb 2019-08-07 20:00

    Sorry, one quick point I failed to complete is that of Jones stoking partisan tensions. I see multiple statements and headlines suggesting the left is fomenting a civil war. Terrant specifically stated sparking a US civil war, but inspiring leftists to push for gun control, was one of his aims. Terrant himself stated “Depending on the definition, sure.” in response to both the questions of whether he is “right-wing” or “left-wing”, but some who self identify as right leaning share that goal of his. I believe Jones and his have flipped the narrative on potential civil war, much like he and many other sources for decades have done regarding the nature of conflict between Christianity and Islam and various related governments.

  55. Caleb 2019-08-07 20:01

    Argh. I meant “by inspiring” in place of “but inspiring” above.

  56. Debbo 2019-08-07 22:45

    Good link Mike. The Strib has a story on Perdue’s visit, doesn’t mention his cruel “joke.”

    What really surprised me was the comments in the Strib. Usually they’re around 65/35 opposed to Economic Eunuch. Not so this time. Not even 10% favored him and several were written by farmers. I was surprised by their vitriol. Based on that anecdotal example, Minnesota will continue trending deeper blue.

  57. John Dale 2019-08-08 10:15


    “I no longer have much faith in good will winning out over evil” — My thought is that, like underwear, the people currently operating this systems can be changed. Trust me, the people who own/manage these systems were not smart enough to build them, and they are not smart enough to hold them, either. Press the information attack and good will prevail (it always does).

    “links to those CFR and UN documents you referenced” — Here is the wikipedia entry, but I would search out the actual text, read it, and understand its ramifications and extensions and what that means in the context of a greater surveillance grid.

    Try this searcn on cfr documentation technocracy

    “people in as simple of terms as supervillain”: — The billionaire class are pawns. The real holders of wealth, who control the billionaire class, do not deal in cash. They deal in net worth. Most of their net worth is weaponry (kenetic and information based) and intellectual property (contracts, patents, undisclosed trade secrets). They get cash when they need it, but the truly wealthy do not consider cash a valid end goal. It is a means. Soros is an exception, and he has angered the truly intellectual elite.

    “The extent to which such sites generally link only to themselves is a large part of why I stopped trusting them many years back” — No news outlet is absolute. InfoWars and others can’t be expected to link externally for every publication, and it is still possible to seek out external sources even with the Internet censorship occurring, now. Drudge Report is the ultimate example, however, of fair media in the Internet age. That’s all he does is link to external sources, and he rarely writes compared to his meticulous and strategic “assembly of content”. I can see that the stress is getting to Alex Jones, but that doesn’t change the respect I have for him and the body of work he’s created through his own autonomous actions in the last 30 years. I have a reverence for someone so brave and intellectually capable. He dominated global media to the point they had to expose their asymmetric information advantages and underhanded tactics in order to slow him down. It was a wonderful information warfare thrust exposing the enemy in ways that may never be equalled .. EVER. Of note – I’ve been victimized by shadow banning and mass surveillance since 1998 (maybe earlier). It changed the way I interact and behave even in my own house. Everything becomes a psyop, and I consider the people who are watching me illegal to be the most important audience to my soliloquy, sardonicism, psychological operations, allegory .. my living room is a stage, and I’ve noted the reverberations of our productions throughout the network of people considering me “interesting”.

    “InfoWars .. stoking partisan tensions” –There is no way to debate this. Alex Jones turned to war footing 5 years ago. He realized that in order to defeat the enemy of our constitutional republic, he would have to use many of the same tactics and compromise in his associations, hoping to turn the trajectory of bad actors through influence (keep the enemy close). There is no clean, perfect way to solve our problem. It’s going to get messy. There was no way to be impactful and make a difference without plugging-into the Republican party and assembling a team of information assassins capable of overwhelming the globalist agenda to redraw The United States. American tiger teams continually kick over the sand castles of nation building globalist elite money printers.

    “In my opinion, Jones has clearly and intentionally skewed the whole situation” — Alex Jones’ intellectual honesty falls short on the Christian/God question. He makes regular appeals to science, but does not specifically address things like immaculate conception, resurrection, the propensity for the Roman military to conduct human sacrifice to usurp the growing power and motivations of followers of Christ-like teachings. Jones is smart enough to know that divine dogma is a practical application to prevent emotionally driven human travesty and short circuit the installation of moral human subroutines in the midst of the ongoing existential struggle for survival, nipping at mankind through the eons. He has to know that unnamed Jewish patrons operate at the highest levels of Freemasonry (he’s had Leo Zagami on his show several times). He has to know that church leaders are dashboards of social control for elite sociopaths. But as a practical matter, a man at war will assembled the resources closest to him to proffer his cause. Jews and Christians represent his base and fund his operation. Alex Jones is not 100% intellectually honest regarding some important issues like divinity, but at the same time, I have faith that he is using this intellectual misdirection to penetrate the armor of the systemic institutions that have a propensity to enslave man using monetary systems, with the intention of carefully reaming them from the inside to create an opportunity to rebuild larges swaths of civilization for the better using the technology that was built for enslavement and genocide.

    “I want you in my sights. I want your neck under my boot”

    This is what I love about Alex Jones. He is the embodiment of manhood. This is how a man thinks when he has figured out who his enemies have become. Men have been systemically abused in a socio-sexual cultural takeover of our roles as protectors. In the process, global elite men see weakness created by nth-wave feminism as an opportunity to insert themselves into American culture (through the schools and universities) while we are distracted by the equivalent of millions of nagging (understatement) women. This viewpoint does not seek to diminish any women taking legitimate abuse from bad men, but pursuing scientific ends to feminize men and abandon biological roles for child rearing creates a dramatic and dangerous disposition in our culture. Interestingly, bad men seem statistically to emanate from broken homes (although not absolute). Broken homes and/or broken men are the outcome – the fruit – of nth-wave feminism.

    “Alex Jones and Infowars, like anybody else, can be correct about many things and incorrect about any other number of things”

    I agree completely, obviously. Yet, there is much to fear in the darkness. Alex Jones exposes dangerous things that, if left unchecked, will grow like a cancer.

    As we said when we started this thread, some aspect of our cultural formation has allowed rampant child abuse, unfairness in economy, and fascism to take root in our communities.

    It is time to sound the alarm. It’s loud, it’s annoying, it’s gruff, and it’s scary .. but it (Alex Jones) is necessary even if we cannot precisely control the wave form and source of the alert.

  58. John Dale 2019-08-08 10:24

    “inspiring leftists to push for gun control” — 1776 will commence again if you try to take our firearms.

    The OK City bombing killed many with fertilizer. If not fertilizer, they would have found other ways.

    Blaming guns opens the door to Mao style politically motivated genocide.

    Red Flag laws will not survive the supreme court. Trump will back off on this after Republicans and Democrats expose themselves on the issue. I’m kind of surprised that folks haven’t figured-out this is how Trump works.

    If not this, then he will use the legislation to disarm radicalized neo-left wing Antifa types who do not understand how to responsibly brandish weapons (using them offensively even if just a milk shake is .. well .. offensive).

    Furthermore, taking the action of banning guns is offensive to the people who realize that, unequivocally, a gun along does not kill people, nor does it enable a greater number of deaths.

    Gun control serves China and their warfare strategies (never engage in a battle unless the outcome is guaranteed). Take away the guns and the outcome is guaranteed. Can you imagine conducting urban warfare in fully armed US? You think it’s difficult for our boys in Afghanistan (rhetorical)? We need more firearms and to reinstate firearms training in schools, something that was taken away as part of Agenda 21 and other globalist plans, IMHO. I think its kind of humorous that they require themselves to write their plans down for everyone to read. :)

    Trying to take firearms incites violence since the retention of the right to have firearms is ethically and logically valid, sound, and strong. Guns do not kill people. Greed, on the other hand ..

  59. jerry 2019-08-08 13:39

    Good news for farmers!! You’re not alone in the long term screwing, retired military are there with ya!

    Yep, trump and the republican party hate farmers as much as they do retired military and veterans! Lucky us!

    “WASHINGTON—The $6.1 billion in Defense Department funds that will be diverted to expand the barrier at the Mexican border will be taken out of programs ranging from funding of Afghan security forces to a retirement program for the U.S. military, as well as construction projects for military bases around the world, Pentagon officials said this week.” Paywall

    Kinda brings a tear to your eye doesn’t it farmers. Knowing you’re among the chosen few.

  60. mike from iowa 2019-08-08 17:09

    Guns don’t kill people has to be the most stoopid punch line ever recorded in history. How many of these white scumacysts mass murders wouldn’t have occurred without guns? Wingnuts need a clew to find reality before they can be reality checked.

  61. John Dale 2019-08-08 17:20

    mike from iowa — “guns don’t kill people” – it neglects the root cause to demonize guns. The 2A is clear .. citizens shall have the right to possess weapons of war equivalent to or grater than the government. The writings of the founders support this assertion unequivocally. The moment a disparity exists and the citizen is denied this right, the implication is clear. History is clear: it would then be time to overthrow the government because taking away the tools of self defense is a precursor to tyranny.

    Guns DO NOT kill people. Behind a hand’s brain lies the root cause of the problem.

    Greed and the inability to stop seeking wealth is the a huge contributor to the violence through the usurpation of opportunity.

    No gun here:

  62. Porter Lansing 2019-08-08 17:27

    Wrong! That’s the convoluted logic that cost big tobacco $27.5B in fines. “Cigarettes are safe. It’s the human that lights it on fire and sucks in the smoke that’s dangerous.”
    Legal precedent has been set. Gun manufacturers will pay.

  63. John Dale 2019-08-08 17:41

    Porter Lansing – the courts might be corrupt enough (or extorted enough) to uphold it, but the logic doesn’t hold.

    “Gun manufacturers will pay” – like Ford did for bank robberies, or McDonalds did for obesity, or like Folgers did for the lady who spilled her coffee?

    Unlike Cigarettes, when used responsibly and as intended, guns are perfectly safe and legal.

    I guess I’m not surprised at the deep state, Chinese push at the present moment. Trump’s election freaked them both out and we see the same old tired arguments.

    It’s okay to kill babies just out of the womb, but we can’t have guns for self defense. It’s a clown world viewpoint.

    Gun violence will spike if the red flag law passes. Every day we’ll see more people on both sides of the isle being shot and killed by police. When the gun owners are gone, they’ll come after people who have the audacity to think they have the right to vote for representation.

  64. Porter Lansing 2019-08-08 17:46

    The logic is a watertight as a frog’s ass. Guns could be manufactured that weren’t capable of committing mass murder. They’d still uphold the 2nd Amendment. But, they wouldn’t sell because those weapons wouldn’t give the weak an inflated sense of strength. Wouldn’t give the powerless an inflated sense of power. Wouldn’t give the men that women shun a protection erection.

  65. John Dale 2019-08-08 18:11

    “protection erection” – rhetoric. People who want to kill will find a way. Do not take away the ability for self defense in the process of not solving the root cause of the problem. Guns are not for everyone .. wait, yes they are.

  66. John Dale 2019-08-08 18:44

    Trivia question.

    You are at the mall when a young woman hopped-up on SSRI’s comes through the door with an assault rifle and starts blowing people away. She’s swinging the barrel toward you as the man next to you, wearing a MAGA hat is drawing his 9mm with 15 round mag from his concealed carry holster.

    Do you:

    1 – giggle at him
    2 – ask him to remove his hat before shooting
    3 – tell him not to shoot because guns are bad
    4 – tell him you’ll be disappointed if he has any rounds left


  67. o 2019-08-08 20:12

    John Dale rotes: “It’s okay to kill babies just out of the womb . . .”

    Just to be clear, that is not abortion, not is it the stance of any who label themselves pro-choice. That is dispelled mythology of the right. The only supported killing of the young is the right’s acceptance of those deaths as acceptable losses to the Second Amendment or the right’s draconian enforcement of immigration laws, or the lack of affordable health care perpetuate by the right.

  68. John Dale 2019-08-08 20:37

    o — “It’s okay to kill babies just out of the womb . . .”

    Partial birth abortions are a thing. Oxygen rooms/tents are a thing. Keeping the babies “alive” for some time after birth before harvesting is real.

    I really don’t want to post the evidence I’ve seen. If you really want to see the videos and evidence (it’s sick), email me.

    Our society has some acknowledgement and healing to do. :\

  69. mike from iowa 2019-08-08 20:49

    I’ll acknowledge yer a nut, JD, and need the green shirt guy more than ever.

  70. John Dale 2019-08-08 20:55

    mike from iowa – another argument (in the classical greek sense) won. Crazy like a fox, I suppose. The NRA doesn’t win this argument over and over .. there is actually a right and a wrong side. Thankfully, the wrong side seems to always lose (not always the case in D.C.). Take a class, practice, buy a firearm. We need you prepared in case you’re in a position to take-out a real nut, mike from iowa. We can trust ourselves.

  71. jerry 2019-08-08 21:18

    Killing babies is something American’s are damn good at. I’m not talking about abortion either, I’m speaking of the poor way we take care of mothers and the children after they are born. America’s mortality rate is third world. We are slightly better than China bah zing!!

  72. jerry 2019-08-08 21:20

    BTW, China still ain’t buying American ag products. Who would’ve thunk it that trade wars are easy and that tariff’s pay for themselves? Only a dumb arse and his followers would ever have their heads so far up their nether regions to come up with that. Live and learn, kiddo’s.

  73. Cory Allen Heidelberger Post author | 2019-08-08 21:22

    China suspends ag purchases, guaranteeing South Dakota farmers are screwed for another year and deepening the long-term damage done to the United States’ standing in the global marketplace.

    China should get into gunmaking, flood the US market, put US gunmakers out of business. Then we’ll see how eager the NRA is to peddle its Second Amendment absolutism.

    (Sorry—I had to take one shot and turning back to the original topic.)

  74. jerry 2019-08-08 21:29

    But but, China must be hurtin for certain and not able to care for its elderly. Not so fast buckwheat. China cares for it’s elderly, not like us the US. We can’t even find the money to run a nursing home right.

    “Charging elderly clients just one yuan or about 14 cents a day, little-known Lanchuang Network Technology Corp has embarked on one of the most ambitious undertakings in aged care by a private sector firm in China.

    Provided with a setup box, a webcam paired with a television set and “Xiaoyi”, a Siri-like voice assistant, customers gain access to telemedicine and an SOS system as well as for-pay services that include housekeeping and meal deliveries.

    A small robot that can ring up a medical centre in response to verbal calls for help costs an extra two yuan ($0.28) per day.

    Launched just four months ago, Lanchuang’s smart care system has already signed up 220,000 elderly clients in 16 cities. Half of these customers are in Shandong, a rapidly aging province in eastern China, where the company is based.”

    Imagine that, Medicaid Expansion?? Much better than that. When are we gonna find the money? Where or where?

  75. John Dale 2019-08-08 21:31

    jerry – something like 30 million unborn people have been denied the right to struggle in life, experience its ups and downs, and take “the ride”

    jerry – the fat lady isn’t singing on the trade war, but this might make you feel better. I thought this was funny, you might find it theraputic.

    Cory – nice try. mwahaha. Gun sales are skyrocketing right now. Maybe farmers are armoring up to take back D.C. I feel for the farmers, but getting some manufacturing sovereignty back will be good for the country and our economy. People want to work and we should let them. I still can’t believe we let Chinese nationals get citizenship for putting into EB5. They own DMG in Deadwood! :o Maybe that’s why I can’t get a gig up there .. I’m to America-loving.

    “All war is based on deception.” — Sun Tzu

  76. jerry 2019-08-08 21:32

    And, China still ain’t buying ag products from us the US. How can South Dakotan’s fix that? I dunno, maybe elect someone that actually will do something, not these three dingalings. Triple losers.

  77. jerry 2019-08-08 21:34

    Did not move the needle, China is still not buying.

  78. Caleb 2019-08-08 22:05

    With too much work to focus on, I’m exiting this conversation with one declaration, one clarification, and one thought.

    I do not support firearms removal, and in no way intended my previous post to suggest as much.

    Alex Jones did not write “I want you in my sights. I want your neck under my boot”; Terrant wrote that.

    Growing up on the farm, I developed a work ethic stronger than that I’ve witnessed in most others throughout my life. My father instilled that in me by example. His quietude and patience in the context of his productivity and problem solving, at work/home and in the community, made clear to me that much of “masculinity” in my time was posturing and aggression prompted by little more than misconceptions men held regarding social expectations and rewards, and I get that sense as I continue socializing. I therefore think reactionaries against feminism lack sufficient empathy to see that much feminism is as valid, similar to reactionaries against right-wing gun owners. Plenty conspiracy theories make right-wing gun owners look like pawns, so I encourage considering feminism in a way that explains how it can be an organic movement, too.

  79. Cory Allen Heidelberger Post author | 2019-08-08 22:14

    Gun sales skyrocketing? Not really. Gun sales have slumped under Trump, like the farm economy, like manufacturing, and soon like more of the economy as Trump raises taxes on Americans buying shoes and iPhones. Even this year, gun background checks (which reflect sales) are just a little faster than last year.

    But that doesn’t really address my question: what owuld happen if Chinese gunmakers decided to compete for Americans’ favorite fetish and put our gunmakers out of business? Would the NRA intervene? Would Trump tax Americans for buying Chinese guns?

    And will buying guns from either country help any farmer pay the mortgage or fix the combine?

  80. jerry 2019-08-08 22:28

    South Dakota trumpist farmers are like prairie dogs. Prairie dogs bark out when they see fox or a coyote moving about in an area of their towns and are totally fixated on them. So much so that the fox or coyote’s partner, comes in from behind and snatches one of them completely without a whimper. Rinse and repeat and then move on with a fully belly.

    South Dakota trumpist farmers watch Fox news, Rush or our four dingalings, that distracts them into thinking they are in control, just like prairie dogs. The coyotes are feasting on trumpists carcass that they willingly give up and think they are not.

  81. jerry 2019-08-08 22:42

    Cory, gun makers like Browning are owned and based in Europe. Real precision rifles are manufactured in Basque Country, northern Spain. I think the American made stuff is just stamped crap that the average ammo sexual can buy and slobber over. They cannot be used for hunting as they are to light and inaccurate more than 100 yards or even less. So they just hawk them or they are confiscated by the police when they raid the flop house.

    Nope, if you want a real gun, ya gots to pay for it and that is out of reach for the most of the trumpist rank and file.

  82. Debbo 2019-08-08 23:06

    That is simply outstanding, apt, and perfectly fitting.

    The executive director of Protect Minnesota is a friend of mine from grad school days. Protect Minnesota is the largest gun sense organization in the state. The Rev. Nancy Nord Bence, director, does not want to take your stupid guns. She does want red flag laws so that domestic abusers, male or female, cannot get guns. She wants that to include people with dangerous mental illnesses and violent histories.

    If you want to clutch your big magazines and nasty looking, military similar guns to your chests and feel macho, you can. My friend and Protect Minnesota don’t want so many people to be slaughtered by domestic terrorists and similar folks. She knows they won’t all be stopped, but she’d like to stop some.

    Mayor Pete Buttigieg, South Bend, Indiana, and Democratic presidential candidate, is a military veteran who served in the Middle East. He knows first hand, from his own experience via his own eyesight, just how viciously military style weapons tear up bodies. Hawaii’s Rep. Tulsi Gabbard has the same experience. Both of them would do more to limit gun ownership and possession than most gun sense organizations like Protect Minnesota.

    The fact is, nobody really gives a damn about your guns, how much you love them, how passionately you cling to them, or one other damn thing about them. We just want fewer people to be killed. Despite the BS some blather, fewer guns is proven to result in fewer deaths worldwide.

    Now, back to farmers getting shafted by Incompetent Ignoramus.

  83. Debbo 2019-08-08 23:22

    From the Wall Street Journal:

    “Economic expansions don’t end on their own,” the paper’s editorial board wrote. “They almost always end due to policy mistakes. Mr. Trump’s willy-nilly trade offensive could be the mistake that turns a slowdown into the Navarro recession.”

    (No link due to paywall. This quote is from another source.)

  84. John Dale 2019-08-09 00:48

    Debbo – “We just want fewer people to be killed”

    Banning guns won’t do that. I think I understand why the anti-gun lobby doesn’t address the “guns don’t kill people” argument, or why they don’t address the “violent crime goes up” argument, or why they don’t address the “the elite and their greed/drug problems are creating impetus for violence” argument.

    Not a word about the OK City bombing’s lack of guns, either.

    But China, yeah .. China. In case they decide to pull the trigger and start marching troops here, I want everyone heavily armed and trained.

    Something like .. I dunno .. a well regulated militia or something like that.

  85. John Dale 2019-08-09 00:51

    jerry – “ammo sexual”

    This rhetoric is borderline funny.

    I’m a mag-sterbater .. I like doing it bazooka style .. when shooting keep your thumb off the butt.

    I could go on, but rhetoric and comedy have never been my thing.

    Oh, I almost forgot. Guns don’t kill people, but you’re absolutely shooting the buns off them gun-puns.

  86. John Dale 2019-08-09 00:54

    jerry – “South Dakota trumpist farmers”

    Same word, different volume. Do you have any other tricks? Woof.

  87. John Dale 2019-08-09 01:00

    Cory – my mistake. Gun sales only spiked at this one store after the Wal Mart shooting.

    Personally, I would not buy any guns or ammo made in China. If I have a choice, I prefer to buy local.

    The scale of domestic manufacturing is down, so prices are up. I am in favor of bringing it back here and being patient while we increase volume of everything relocated.

    It’s a prediction, so there is no reviewable data, so it’s kind of a pie in the sky question.

    I would like to see everything from food to clothing to materials to plastics production to bicycles come home for production. The first item in this lost – food – would help the small farmer if, for instance, they tapped into extension (Chinese controlled at present, or at least heavily Chinese influenced) to utilize some of that great food tech we’ve developed for growing on Mars (my alma mater, former employer, University of Arizona Ag)

  88. John Dale 2019-08-09 01:08

    Caleb – “I want you in my sights. I want your neck under my boot”

    Alex Jones makes very similar statements on his show often. That was an oversight and it was not clear to me from the flow of your writing that you were assigning that to Jones. I couldn’t speak much to the external article an relied on your interpretation. I drop in here and post on my breaks. I can usually make short work of writing by typing 100 WPM when I get going. I’m glad I’m still young enough that my fingers and thought rate seem to be in sync and mutually rapid. That said, even today Alex Jones was making some analogy to popping the heads off people who want to hurt his family. It was beautifully crafted masculine expression.

    “quietude and patience in the context of his productivity and problem solving, at work/home and in the community” — the solitude and space on a farm is a luxury not accessible to everyone, nor is the time to reflect internally and externally. I’m glad you had that experience. I have been off and on farms and ranches of family, but never had a contiguous period of time for reflection and problem solving with birds chirping and cows mooing. Congratulations. :)

    I am a feminist. I think suffrage and access to work opportunities were critical and moral. This is the original spirit and intent of feminism.

    However, 2nd and 3rd wave feminism have created an exploitative cultural cancer on our society and they must be undone.

    nth wave feminism attempts to counterman biological imperatives. They go too far.

    Have a super day!

  89. Cory Allen Heidelberger Post author | 2019-08-09 06:00

    So John, you oppose gun control, but you advocate socialist production control, where we erect trade barriers and try forcing free-market participants to produce everything in this country and buy only goods produced in this country? I sense a disconnect there.

    See Debbo’s post, from the capitalist, conservative WSJ: “willy-nilly trade offensive.” Trump’s tariffs have no real plan, no strategy, and no evidence behind them. They are the whims of an ignoramus, fueled only by ego and rage.

  90. mike from iowa 2019-08-09 07:24

    Growing food in America helps the small farmer, but stoopid godless wingnuts like JD can’t stand prosperity so they take away food from the people that need it most and deny income from the farmers that need it most. Then they pat themselves on the back for being such devoted followers of jesus and then look around for more ways to cut taxes for the koch bros.

    Laughable JD believes anti-American white scumacysts are a well trained militia and deserve 2nd amendment protections to tear the US apart from inside.

  91. John Dale 2019-08-09 08:59

    mike from iowa – “stoopid godless wingnuts like JD can’t stand prosperity”

    Let’s parse this out.

    Godless – not exactly.

    Can’t stand prosperity? Both of these items are straw men.

    What your analysis lacks in research capacity, facts, demonstrable intellect, and logical structure, it makes up for in tenacity.

    “Laughable JD believes anti-American white scumacysts are a well trained militia” — on the contrary, I believe we should start teaching firearms in our schools again. As Caleb and I were discussing previously, the schools, being up stream of our laws, have been a target of some sordid and dangerous psychological operations. We are not a well trained militia. We need more guns and more shooting ranges STAT!

    motto of mike from iowa and jerry would seem to be – Never let the facts get in the way of a good story.

    Cory – “you oppose gun control” correct.

    “advocate socialist production control” – labels can be tricky. I don’t think I ever claimed to be a pure capitalist, but the choice of a nation’s leadership to put a tariff on another country for cheating with currency manipulation and for seeking a soft invasion and over throw of a nation state is hardly “socialist production control” since the means of production of China are not under the control of The United States. Socialist production control would be, for instance, the intelligence community here in The United States using tax dollars to cram down a small IT firm wanting to provide privacy services on The Internet.

    Moreover, I advocate allowing insurance companies selling across state borders to lower the cost of health insurance. Not allowing insurance companies to sell across state lines is a means of socialist production control since the trade is conducted within the nation state.

    “erect trade barriers” – international trade barriers somehow effecting inter-citizen socialist production controls defy the logic of your application of the argument domestically. This country was founded on tariffs and the notion of “country first [China second .. or third .. or even not at all]”

    The notion that “Trump’s tariffs have no real plan” is absurd. Just because he hasn’t published it in the NYT doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.

    Speaking of Debbo, with 2020 coming-up, I think I’m getting an election protection erection. Trump’s team rounded-up a few hundred more illegal aliens this week.

    Good day.

  92. jerry 2019-08-09 09:03

    Prairie Dog Dale is up with his barking.

  93. John Dale 2019-08-09 09:14

    jerry – “Prairie Dog Dale is up with his barking”

    From the department of redundancy department.

  94. John Dale 2019-08-09 09:18

    It’s not just ag worker that are impacted by international trade policy.

    I’m a tech worker. My industry has been hammered, and is unionizing. I’m not exactly opposed to unions, and I have been in communication with US Tech Workers.

    Our software/IT jobs should be kept home because they are related to Homeland Security, they are great entry level jobs for college grads (it’s not just programming), and the skills learned translate well to the coming automation economy.

  95. mike from iowa 2019-08-09 10:11

    Documented evidence of P-B abortions is rarer than documented evidence of Drumpf telling the truth.

    COI labeling would do more for small farmer’s crops and livestock and would be a bigly asset in tracking down country of origin food borne illnesses. Grow our food here and proudly label it until some korporation decides that regulation is too burdensome and costly.

  96. Debbo 2019-08-09 12:35

    “Documented evidence of P-B abortions is rarer than documented evidence of Drumpf telling the truth.”

  97. Donald Pay 2019-08-09 13:42

    I find a lot of this funny and rather juvenile. It’s inevitable that China will supplant the US, but it’s not because of anything to do with ideology or policy. Assuming China’s rise continues, just the mere fact of their population size means they have 3 time the size of the US market available. Markets, in a free market system, are the final arbiter of everything. That’s why the US should be hoping China sticks with a semi-controlled economy. As soon as the ditch that, they will flatten us.

    One advantage of the Chinese political system is that it is generally based on merit. People who end up running the Chinese government, not just the top positions, but intermediate ones as well, have proven themselves over time to be good administrators. This isn’t the old Communist Party system, where strict adherence to an ideology is the top priority. The Party still exists, and is dominant, but ideology is a minor issue. Results and markets are more and more important. My daughter says, unlike here, they have engineers and scientists, academics and technicians running the country on a five year plan. Here we have know nothings running things at the top, and the people who know stuff are more and more kept out.

  98. John Dale 2019-08-09 13:59

    Donald Pay: ” It’s inevitable that China will supplant the US”

    Why is that inevitable? Global banking representative have said that this will be a ‘Chinese Century”, but that is not a given. Totalitarian systems of government are expensive even with computer aided management. That many people creates a prohibitive scale, that without geographic expansion will be impossible to keep profitable without global banks propping them up.

    “Chinese political system is that it is generally based on merit” — this is a false premise. A VERY false premise. They have a more rigged genetic lottery than we do, and political favoritism is rampant. Outside of their olympic athlete selection process, there is very little merit in their economy, where their businesspeople rely on intellectual property THEFT and currency MANIPULATION to keep up their pace of innovation. In short, Chinese dominance is a SCAM.

    “they have engineers and scientists, academics and technicians running the country on a five year plan” — imagine the terrifying economic and monetary horror to be locked into a five year plan that 1) depends on the absence of nationalism and 2) a Hillary Clinton presidency.

    “in a free market system” — free market systems exist within some nation states (the spirit and intent of the founders and thought leaders in Western civilization). They do not exist between nation states inasmuch as we do not have a global government – a new world order – to regulate the transactions. Global rules of commerce are not enforceable except in civil contexts, and sunset provisions in our membership in global organizations that compel us to participate take the teeth out of any civil enforcement.

    The global economic model that is governed by a world authority is a pipe dream. More than history and contemporary realities, schools and universities have been commandeered to teach an un-manifest vision favoring China, the lapdog of global banking cartels who are sick of being beaten by US freedom (which is under attack and reeling at the moment, but roaring back and it’s beautiful).

    China and its investors are about to take a BATH, and I’m not inclined to offer them a towel, but I will offer a ..

    *golf clap*

  99. o 2019-08-09 14:26

    John, how about some context to the clip you link to. It begins with the sound bite about “In this circumstance . . .” What is that circumstance that the sound bite relies on?

  100. John Dale 2019-08-09 14:30

    o – I think one of the arguments against this, aside from the fact that is is an arbitrary determination of when a person gets human rights (to not be killed legally without cause), is that the mother could be on pain killers and still give consent.

    Besides that, this Virginia Governor is a creep ..

    “keep them comfortable .. ”


  101. jerry 2019-08-09 14:51

    Info wars, more prairie dog barking. Dale and jones are the barkers.

  102. mike from iowa 2019-08-09 15:41

    JD, why didn’t you report Faske Noize reported El Paso shooting before it happened. It is on

    You are NUTZ!!!

  103. John Dale 2019-08-09 16:47

    jerry and mike – I’m not finding the cogency to your arguments. Maybe you could point it out for me. I’m the type of guy who get sad when a good interview gets cut short by commercials, or when a news reporter gives a candidate for office “30 seconds to respond”. As you can imagine, I like long form discovery and the ability to find the truth, and I’ll change my opinion in the face of new evidence.

    What is your evidence? What is your argument?

    A classic mistake in argumentation is to “argue against the person [or source]”.

    Things are either true or false, arguments are either strong or weak, independent of the people making them.

    Arguing in the form “Trump has orange hair, therefore all people with orange hair are Nazis” will get a person absolutely nowhere.

    The Brighteon source is run by a guy named Mike Adams, also known as the health ranger, also known as the guy who helped take down Monsanto.

    Are you a fan of either Bayer, Monsanto, or Mike Adams?

    Doesn’t matter.

    The point is, Mike’s identity is independent of the information he publishes.

    Ergo, the video of the Virginia Governor is independent of Mike Adams’ identity.

    Do you lay into family who support Trump at the Thanksgiving dinner table? Are you “that guy”?

  104. mike from iowa 2019-08-09 17:19

    Jerry, there are good reasons that info wars and Breitbart are booted off mainstream social media, they are conspiracy pushers and plain make stuff up. is another whack job.

  105. Debbo 2019-08-09 17:24

    My Congresswoman, Angie Craig, D-MN2, was on The Last Word with Lawrence o’Donnell last night. She said that during the 2016 campaign the major issue in our district was health care. That held true till a few weeks ago. Guess what it is now? Yup. Economic Eunuch’s disastrous trade war. Farmers and everyone who eats in this district is very concerned about how EE has trashed our economy and the grim outlook.

    BTW, Lindsey If-I-Only-Had-a-Brain Graham made a promise to his constituents. If they’ll put a GOP majority in the House and keep Brutal Bobblehead in the WH, Lindsey and pals will repeal Obamacare and SCarolinians will love it!

    #1. That’s a great threat for Democrats to run on.
    #2. Haven’t we heard that before? Dozens of times, or more?

    Thank you Miz Lindsey. 👏👏👏

  106. Robert Hodge 2019-08-09 23:11

    John Dale,

    Unfortunately, you do not have a good understanding of trade deficits. I think it’s clear that you have not taken a macroeconomics course. Trade deficits usually are a sign that our economy is doing well. Reducing the deficit will not be helpful. This is why having a basic understanding of macroeconomics is important. Here is a little article that explains trade deficits:

  107. Debbo 2019-08-10 00:18

    Global Research’s Michael Snyder has written a brief, unpaywalled article about Economic Eunuch’s trade war.

    “China confirmed reports that it was pulling out of U.S. agriculture as a weapon in the ongoing trade war.

    “A spokesperson for the Chinese Ministry of Commerce said Chinese companies have stopped purchasing U.S. agricultural products in response to President Trump’s new 10% tariffs on $300 billion of Chinese goods.

    “This is essentially a trade war equivalent of a nuclear bomb.

    “If the Chinese would have slapped U.S. agricultural products with tariffs, that would have been a proportional response. But to quit buying them entirely is an unprecedented escalation in a trade war that is really starting to spiral out of control.

    “And it is also clearly a political attack on President Trump. The Chinese know that Trump is highly popular in rural areas, and this ban on U.S. agricultural products is going to severely hurt farmers in rural areas all across the United States.

    “U.S. voters tend to be more influenced by their bank accounts than by anything else, and so this is a smart strategic move by the Chinese if they would like to see a Democrat get elected in 2020.

    “In 2017, the Chinese bought 19.5 billion dollars worth of U.S. agricultural products, and that number dropped to just 9.1 billion dollars in 2018.

    “Now that number is going to zero, and according to Farm Bureau Federation President Zippy Duvall this latest move by China is going to be ‘a body blow to thousands of farmers and ranchers who are already struggling to get by.’”

    “It looks like this trade war could be the spark that plunges the global economy into utter chaos, and right now very few Americans seem to understand the true scope of the economic nightmare that appears to be headed our way.”

  108. John Dale 2019-08-10 11:33

    Debbo – “Americans seem to understand the true scope of the economic nightmare that appears to be headed our way”

    We understand very well, there is fear, uncertainty, and death all around.

    “The sky is falling!”

    The global economy is in need of a massive realignment if it is to favor The US long into the future (which I hope it does).

  109. John Dale 2019-08-10 11:38

    Robert Hodge – great to hear from you!

    From my understanding (I’m a moral philosopher and technologist admittedly), as long as we’re fomenting endless foreign wars, we’ll sell enough guns to make-up the difference of a China trade deficit.

    But as I understand it there are also geopolitical considerations – China is behaving imperialistically, and we should not continue to empower, embolden, and enable their operations inasmuch as they do not favor the interests of US citizens.

    It’s a nationalistic point of view, but I think opponents of nationalism have failed to make the case that nationalism is somehow bad.

    My own opinion is that we do not need another super-nation-state management strata (global government), and that free and networked dynamic trade graphs are more beneficial for The US and its allies. Global government would coerce our resources to be sold in a manner not beneficial to US citizens.

    I don’t have a free moment to read the link you sent, but I would appreciate a succinct summary if you can. That’s what I love about forums is that people usually summarize and distill large amounts of information to help others put together a bigger picture.

    Have a super day.

  110. Porter Lansing 2019-08-10 13:55

    Well said, Michael Snyder. It doesn’t concern SD but it does CO. China has not only stopped buying ag but they’ve also stopped buying oil. Great move, Donnie. If they stop buying tech then the 5G in Dales front yard can find out what’s really in his mind.

  111. John Dale 2019-08-10 14:07

    Porter – I think India’s move into Kashmire caused China to blink. We’ll know more on Monday, but the stern negotiating and willingness to tighten the belt creates leverage.

    In negotiations I’ve participated in, hurried timelines and the timing of the negotiation relative to my own cash flow events became a very good negotiating tool.

    Regarding 5G and wireless, this is a great read. TLDR; the industry’s own initial commissioned study in the 90’s concluded it causes cancer and degrades DNA, so the industry persecuted and shamed Carlo, the scientist.

    It’s a really great read:

  112. Porter Lansing 2019-08-10 14:33

    It’s ok, John. I only use my cell phone on speaker and rarely at that. It’s 95% computer and text device and never gets near my ear.

  113. John Dale 2019-08-12 12:37

    Here is a recent piece from Ron Paul that supports the anti-Tariff position, but also ..

    “Those who know the truth must do all they can to ensure that the crisis results in a return to a constitutional republic, true free markets, sound money, and a foreign policy of peace and free trade.”

  114. Porter Lansing 2019-08-12 12:49

    To Whom It May Concern … I put my money where my mouth is, this morning. I transfered my liquid assets and short term credit vehicles to Hongkong Shanghai Bank. Republicans (as usual) are overstimulating the economy and I think Trump will drive it into the ditch again, like Geo. W. Bush did. At that point, Trump will act selfishly and protect the super rich not all of America, as Obama did. I see China as a more stable banking system, especially with Dem’s refusal to accept the middle ground of moderation in their election platform.
    *No interest on any loan or balance transfer for a year and 3.25% cash back on every purchase for a year.

  115. John Dale 2019-08-12 13:00

    Porter Lansing – I put all my investments in intellectual property about 15 years ago. It’s a better investment than gold, but with IP you have to dig it yourself. Also, I learned to garden.

  116. Porter Lansing 2019-08-12 13:05

    That means you don’t have a job and think your ideas are valuable?

  117. John Dale 2019-08-12 13:48

    Porter Lansing – It means I don’t trust the value of cash, am hedging against inflation, and developing value that is several orders of magnitude more difficult to steal or tax than, say, cash or hard assets. The surveillance state was designed to follow and snuggle your cash. Trust me .. there is no hiding it. Here, China, New Zealand, Switzerland. There is nowhere to hide.

    Intellectual property is the last bastion of freedom, IMHO.

  118. John Dale 2019-08-12 15:02

    The notion that cash is somehow more valuable than assets is completely foreign to me. Intellectual property protection is a major impetus of the China tariff dust-up. I I’m wrong, why not let all iPhone decryption keys live in China .. whoops.

  119. Debbo 2019-08-17 12:32

    The Atlantic has a great article about big corporations’ use of immigrants as a feature of doing business. Kochs are at the top of the list. Unsurprisingly, they are white scumacysts too. Their chicken packing plants in Mississippi only do business with pasty farmers.

    From article:
    As The Washington Post and others have noted, immigrants to the United States are less likely to commit crimes than native-born Americans. Far from being a drain on the American economy, immigrants have become an essential component of it. According to a recent study by the Center for a Livable Future at Johns Hopkins University, “The industrial produce and animal production and processing systems in the U.S. would collapse without the immigrant and migratory workforce.”

  120. Debbo 2019-08-17 13:48

    From Bloomberg regarding Dunce’s Trade Debacle:

    “China’s statement indicates that Beijing doesn’t think the U.S. delaying some of the tariffs is enough, said Zhou Xiaoming, a former Ministry of Commerce official and diplomat. China is sticking to the position that no new duties should be imposed at all, he said, adding that China’s retaliation ‘may not be limited to tariffs.’”

    Dunce’s Trade Debacle flounders on.

  121. Debbo 2019-08-17 18:17

    More evidence of the breathtaking incompetence of Economic Eunuch from the Strib:

    Analysis from financial consultants Gordon Haskett Research Advisors shows cost increases already have taken hold in a typical shopping basket of 76 regular items from Target and Walmart. Target’s shopping basket cost roughly 5% more in June than it did in October 2018, Gordon Haskett said.

    Despite the president repeatedly saying that the Chinese are paying the protective tariffs imposed by his administration, “the money is coming from Americans, not the Chinese,” said Robert Kudrle, an international trade specialist at the University of Minnesota. “Essentially, the president is pitting Americans against each other.”

    Trump has cast farmers hit by retaliatory tariffs as victims of the trade war who must be subsidized. He rarely mentions American businesses paying 10% to 25% in new import taxes or consumers who have had to absorb those taxes.

    A study by three economists from the New York Federal Reserve and Columbia and Princeton universities concluded that “the tariff revenue the U.S. is now collecting is insufficient to compensate the losses being born by the consumers of imports.” By the end of 2018, the trade war had reduced “U.S. real income by $1.4 billion per month,” they added.

    In their study, “The Impact of the 2018 Trade War on U.S. Prices and Welfare,” Mary Amiti of the New York Federal Reserve, Stephen Redding of Princeton and David Weinstein of Columbia determined that tariffs had “an almost immediate effect on prices in the U.S. economy.”

  122. John Dale 2019-08-17 18:29

    You have to stand-up to a bully. Farmers generally know the score. The made this country, saved it several times, and they’ll do it again.


    “Farmer confidence in the agricultural economy soared in July, according to the Purdue Center for Commercial Agriculture’s latest survey of farmer sentiment. And expectations that the trade dispute with China will be resolved in a way that benefits U.S. farmers rose to their highest level of the year. The overall expectations index rose to 159 in July, 18 points higher than June and the highest reading in more than two years.”

  123. John Dale 2019-08-17 18:30

    “As they have learned in the last two years, our great American Farmers know that China will not be able to hurt them in that their President has stood with them and done what no other president would do – And I’ll do it again next year if necessary!” — President Donald John Trump

  124. mike from iowa 2019-08-17 18:50

    John Dale is China’s wet dream.

  125. John Dale 2019-08-17 18:58

    mike from iowa – President Donald John Trump

    Orange man good. Very good. Fight China. Like Sumo Wrestler. Like Typhoon trade warrior. Orange man fight like hair on fire for US farmers, who cheer him on like true champion.

  126. Debbo 2019-08-17 20:20

    Mike, dale is entertaining, in a bizarre sort of way.

  127. John Dale 2019-08-17 20:29

    Debbo – “in a bizarre sort of way”

    I attended the McGuire Center for Entrepreneurship. They put a heavy focus on being novel, different and unique.

    I’m mostly Norwegian (Grandma is from Belle Fourche), and I think I inherited an unquenchable thirst for the joke. I entertain myself all the time, but I like when others get some value out of it as well.

    Don’t believe the hype that I’m undereducated. :)

    Have a super weekend.


  128. Debbo 2019-08-17 22:43

    I didn’t ask about your education or heritage. I said you’re comments are sometimes bizarre, especially your sources.

  129. Debbo 2019-08-20 21:09

    Fallout from Economic Eunuch’s infantile trade war continues to hit.

    “Del Monte Foods Inc. on Tuesday notified the Minnesota Department of Employment and Economic Development that it will permanently close the Sleepy Eye location at the end of this year’s harvest and packing season, shuttering a plant that opened in the Great Depression and has been a mainstay of the community for 89 years.

    “‘The closing of Del Monte will have a tremendous impact on the community,” said Sleepy Eye Mayor Wayne Pelzel. “This will have an impact on the school, on housing, on just a whole ton of things in the community. We are really saddened by this news.’

    The California-based company has scheduled the closure for on or around Oct. 21. All 69 full-time jobs and 294 seasonal positions will be eliminated. Layoffs will begin as soon as Oct. 2 and be staggered through next June as the plant finishes any remaining labeling, shipping and administrative work needed to close..”

    “The closing is part of a broader decision by Del Monte’s parent company, Singapore-based Del Monte Pacific Limited, to sell or close many of its U.S. assets.”

    So much winning? Trade wars are easy? Bizarre Buffoon isn’t done harming the USA yet. 2020 can’t come soon enough.

  130. Debbo 2019-08-20 21:10

    Should be quotes around the paragraph that begins with “The California-based company….”

  131. Debbo 2019-08-20 21:15

    “More than a year into the U.S.-China trade war, American consumers are about to find themselves squarely in the cross hairs for the first time, with the average household facing up to $1,000 in additional costs each year from tariffs, according to research from JPMorgan.

    “Consumers, whose spending fuels about 70% of the U.S. economy, have been largely shielded from previous rounds of tariffs, which have left businesses reeling and upended global supply chains. But that’s about to change with the 10% levies on roughly $300 billion in Chinese imports, about a third of which will take effect Sept. 1. Those tariffs will primarily target consumer goods.

    “’The impact from reduced spending could be immediate for discretionary goods and services since tariffs are regressive,’ JPMorgan researchers wrote in a note last week. ‘Unlike the agriculture sector which is receiving subsidies/aid to offset the impact of China’s retaliatory actions, there is no simple way to compensate consumers.’”

    Inept Ignoramus is clueless about how an economy works. He should ask Barron.

  132. John Dale 2019-08-20 21:22

    If the Federal Reserve lowers rates, we’ll maintain a strong dollar and end-up on the top when the dust settles on this trade “war”.

    A plant closing is a sign of the times .. there will be many changes forthcoming as we make strides toward an automation economy that enables many innovations in process, operations, and supply chain organization.

    I will be watching all of this very closely .. what matters is what the score is when the game is over.

    I think it’s funny how you end every post seemingly with a personal insult of President Trump. :)

  133. Porter Lansing 2019-08-20 22:45

    Maintaining a strong dollar in international currency markets is not one of the monetary policy goals of the Fed. A weaker dollar — meaning a dollar that is less expensive in terms of foreign currency — would help achieve some of USA’s major goals for the economy, especially stimulating U.S. manufacturing and limiting imports.

  134. jerry 2019-08-20 23:03

    trump has insulted the wrong country and they’re telling him to go have sex with himself, by a woman no less. Gwhahaha what a dump this trump is.

    “President Donald Trump has announced that his upcoming trip to Denmark is on hold because its prime minister is not interested in selling Greenland to the United States.

    Trump posted on social media on Tuesday that “based on Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen’s comments, that she would have no interest in discussing the purchase of Greenland, I will be postponing our meeting scheduled in two weeks for another time.”

    The world is ashamed of us for being led by such a dumbarse, even Italians shake their heads.

  135. Debbo 2019-08-20 23:58

    Jerry, President Poutyface stamped his little feet, stuck out his lower lip and said, “Oh yeah. Then I won’t like you any more and I’m not coming over to your house either!”

    Dale said, “I think it’s funny how you end every post seemingly with a personal insult of President Trump. :)”

    That’s the least I can do from here to a misogynist, racist scum who so horribly traumatizes children. I hate him for that alone as I would any serial child abuser and see nothing at all funny in it.

  136. John Dale 2019-08-21 07:31

    But Debbo – “That’s the least I can do”

    Yet, it detracts from some of the more cogent items in your otherwise thoughtful posts.

    jerry – “trump has insulted the wrong country”

    Blah blah unsubstantiated rhetoric blah blah 2020 blah blah.

    Porter Lansing – “Maintaining a strong dollar in international currency ”

    What does too weak a dollar do to it status as reserve currency?

    Thank the stars Hillary Clinton is not president ..

  137. jerry 2019-08-21 07:40

    A lady in Denmark has bested chubby trump, ya gotta love it. A NATO ally as well. Denmark should get even closer to the EU as we are proving to be unstable. Denmark has been in Afghanistan since 2001 and have sustained 43 killed in action. trump is a disgrace to the memory of September 11. 2001.

  138. John Dale 2019-08-21 07:42

    China – the worlds moral authority? Yeah, not going to happen. They’re the world’s supplier of pain and misery through drugs, murder, human enslavement, and manipulation.

    “Brutally adept with hard power — from tanks and machine guns to concentration camps and starvation — the Chinese Communist Party has little experience with soft power. Xi is getting a crash course, with one test after another.”

  139. John Dale 2019-08-21 07:43

    jerry – “A lady in Denmark has bested chubby trump”

    If true, she has bested you, too, jerry! :D

    Yeah, I’m sure Trump will just give-up and fold, now. Gal dern it.

  140. jerry 2019-08-21 08:05

    Chubby trump says no more Danish rolls at meetings.

  141. jerry 2019-08-21 08:08

    Still not movin to the US. From your linky.

    “The company’s suppliers are moving some manufacturing to other countries, including Taiwan and Vietnam.”

    China had already outsourced them, no big deal to them. Mexico is getting some needed commerce out of all of this crap storm as well. Meanwhile, our economy is tanking.

  142. John Dale 2019-08-21 08:13

    jerry – Taiwan and Vietnam are staunch US allies, Jerry.

    Are you fat shaming? What’s next, assuming gender identity?


    This just in. President of the US is 73 years old. Prolific blog commenter jerry calls him chubby. Rumor has it that President Trump was hurt so much by jerry’s comments that he’s resigning. But it’s a moot action since congress has congealed around a common theme, “we don’t want no chubby Presidents.” We expect impeachment hearings, lead by Jerry Nadler, to begin .. sometime.

  143. jerry 2019-08-21 10:17

    Funny, 50 years ago, the 2nd NVA and we, in the 196th, were killing one another. Now we buy outsourced products from China from them. Life is funny like that.

    Taiwan does a tremendous amount of business with China. “Taiwan signed Economic Cooperation Framework Agreement with People’s Republic of China on 29 June 2010. … The economy of Taiwan also applied for the membership in the Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank in 2015. Taiwan’s top five trade partners in 2010 are China, Japan, USA, the European Union, and Hong Kong.”

    Chubby trumpy can go pound sand until farmers decide that it is time for him to go have a McDonald’s.

  144. John Dale 2019-08-21 10:21

    jerry – without the US, Taiwan would be part of China proper.

    “Taiwan is the United States’ ninth largest trading partner, and the United States is Taiwan’s second largest trading partner. Taiwan enjoys Export-Import Bank financing, Overseas Private Investment Corporation guarantees, normal trade relations status, and ready access to U.S. markets.”

    Personally, I would not care save they will make a nice base should we need to penetrate the Chinese main land with our superior and well-funded military.

  145. jerry 2019-08-21 10:26

    We only have 6 bombers and 5 of them have flat tires according to the Rounds

  146. Porter Lansing 2019-08-21 10:36

    If John Dale wasn’t afraid to use GOOGLE instead of Duck Duck Hide, he’d be able to answer his own questions. The dollar soon won’t be the reserve currency. Live with it, JohnD. This is the Century of China.
    The creation of the euro made a visible dent into the dollar’s status. Now there’s a new reserve : the Chinese yuan. That’s why MoonBase put his money into HongkongShanghai Bank, last week.

  147. John Dale 2019-08-21 10:44

    Porter Lansing – you didn’t get the memo. The EU is done on October 31st.

    The confidence game doesn’t work anymore.

    “This is the Century of China” — spoken like a global banker (or at least somebody who made that really bad bet on behalf of a bunch of other investors)! :D

  148. Debbo 2019-08-21 13:47

    If Dale doesn’t approve of the way I write my comments I must be doing something very well. 😆😆

    In the meantime, let’s put Chubby Chump in a cage and let the children out.

  149. jerry 2019-08-21 14:32

    Chubby Chump is Pompeo, chubby trump is a chump. There, fixed it. When chubby chump and chubby trump are in a room, they have to spray them both with WD-40 so they can leave.

  150. Debbo 2019-08-21 14:36


  151. Debbo 2019-08-21 14:46

    I’d much rather be governed by the descendants of Sitting Bull, Pocahontas and Chief Chief Joseph than Rancid Racist, Moscow Mitch and the GOP.

  152. Debbo 2019-08-21 15:56

    Good find Jerry. Even though she presented it on a 3rd grade level, it was probably still too complicated for Dumb Dunce to understand.

  153. jerry 2019-08-21 16:16

    At third grade level that maybe complicated, but Dale will respond like he understands.

  154. John Dale 2019-08-21 16:40

    Debbo – “rather be governed by the descendants of Sitting Bull, Pocahontas and Chief Chief Joseph”

    How is this not racist? I can see wanting to have Sitting Bull, Pocohontas, and Chief Chief Joseph in office, but their descendants? This is a kind of genetic purity analysis. How can you not see that? Then again .. maybe you can see that. :\

  155. jerry 2019-08-21 16:53

    Never fails to come up with something absurd.

  156. John Dale 2019-08-21 17:14

    jerry – “absurd”

    More “that” with no support.

    I’ve been in technology for a long time.

    People on the left used to support Netscape, free speech, open standards, and personal liberty.

    It’s 180, now ..

    I can’t believe I got made fun of for using DuckDuckGo – what the hell happened to your side?

    Reminds me of the Smathmouth song – “Hey now, you’re an all star get your game on, go play ..”

    Only shooting stars break the mold…

  157. mike from iowa 2019-08-21 17:30

    Resident Troll proves he is just like Drumpf, can’t allow anyone to get the last word in and no comment goes unchallenged. Spoiled brats is what they both are. Both idolize conspiracy theorist and loser Alex Jones. Neither is near as stable geniussy as they claim to be.

  158. John Dale 2019-08-21 18:08

    mike from iowa – “resident troll”

    Takes one to know one.

  159. grudznick 2019-08-21 18:20

    Mr. Mike, who is from Iowa, is actually not a resident troll. He is an out-of-state troll. grudznick is the most-loved resident troll here.

  160. Porter Lansing 2019-08-21 18:27

    Here’s a post from Power’s Blog …
    Jupiter Base Lansing
    August 21, 2019 at 8:40 am
    No worries for the SDDP. The Kamala Harris – Bernie Sanders ticket will lead the blue wave across South Dakota and sweep the nation with young voters looking to follow Colorado and California’s lead. Mr. H will be positioned to win the next race for governor.
    Harris – Sanders 2020 or Bust!
    ~ Now, who’s the only one on the blogs who calls Cory, Mr. H? Hmmm? It’s an honor, really that grudzie has adopted me as his big brother. The Lansing blood line is miniscule. Even though my name is Porter Lansing IV, there’s only five people on Earth with Lansing blood. None in SD. Two in CO and three in FL. So, welcome to the party Jeremiah. Did you bring potato salad? :0)

  161. John Dale 2019-08-21 18:41

    +1 grudznick

    “grudznick is the most-loved resident troll here”


  162. Roger Cornelius 2019-08-21 18:59

    At a White House press conference today, 45 looked to the heavens and declared that “he is the chosen one”.
    He was serious

  163. John Dale 2019-08-21 19:27

    Roger Cornelius – “chosen one”

    He is the worlds most prolific troll.

    He’s done it for a long time.

  164. Roger Cornelius 2019-08-21 19:40

    With over 12,019 lies since he has been in office, Trump is also the most prolific liar that has ever been elected president.

  165. John Dale 2019-08-21 19:51

    Roger Cornelius – “With over 12,019 lies since he has been in office”

    Did you catch what’s going on with Google? Zach Vorheze (sp?) is a whistle blower. Very damning evidence .. Google was lying to billions every day!

    What is the source of that information? If it’s CNN or MSNBC, these are also the networks that said Mueller would take down Trump.

    Information buyer beware and so forth.

  166. Roger Cornelius 2019-08-21 20:08

    Try the Washington Post, the thing is that the White House does not dispute the numbers.
    All anyone has to do is listen to one of his press conferences and count his lies

  167. Debbo 2019-08-21 21:01

    I read a that too Roger. His mind is really going downhill and picking up speed fast. From today’s bizarre rant to the press, via CNN:

    “Over an ensuing half-hour rant, Trump trucked in antisemitic tropes, insulted the Danish prime minister, insisted he wasn’t racist, bragged about the performance of his former Apprentice reality show, denied starting a trade war with China, praised Vladimir Putin and told reporters that he, Trump, was the ‘Chosen One’ – all within hours of referring to himself as the ‘King of Israel’ and tweeting in all caps: ‘WHERE IS THE FEDERAL RESERVE?’”

  168. jerry 2019-08-21 21:05

    Ted Cruz’s words were prophetic, we should have paid more attention to Crazy Ted telling us about crazy chubby trumpy.

    “We need a commander-in-chief, not a Twitterer-in-chief. We need someone with judgement and the temperament to keep this country safe. I don’t know anyone who would be comfortable with someone who behaves this way having his finger on the button. I mean, we’re liable to wake up one morning and Donald, if he were president, would’ve nuked Denmark. That’s not the temperament of a leader who will keep this country safe.”

  169. jerry 2019-08-22 21:25

    Chubby trump invited himself to Denmark in July and then pulled the rug out himself, what a lying sack of crap.

    “Speaking to reporters on the White House’s South Lawn in late July, President Donald Trump revealed that he was “looking at” a stop in Denmark after an upcoming trip to Poland to attend a World War II commemorative ceremony.

    For officials in Copenhagen, the comment came as a surprise. Although it is customary in Denmark for there to be a standing invitation for the U.S. president—and though officials in both countries had been discussing the possibility of an American delegation visiting—no formal invitation had actually been extended to Trump, according to two senior Danish officials and an individual who works closely with the Trump administration in Copenhagen.

    By the next day, Queen Margrethe II had issued the invite, and the White House had officially announced the president’s plans to visit the country.”

    China knows they have us by the short hairs and they also know that chubby trump cannot be trusted any further than Xi can toss the blubber butt. China knows that there will be a huge giveaway coming up… courtesy of American taxpayers.

  170. John Dale 2019-08-23 05:49

    President Trump is his own person. I know, it looks strange, having a president that is uncontrollable.

  171. mike from iowa 2019-08-23 07:46

    Drumpf is a wholly owned subsidiary of rootin’ tootin’ Vladimir Putin, along with the rest of the Drumpf crime family. Is it any wonder Drumpf fawns all over Vlady?

    Drumpf is also an insane pathological lying, anti-semitic, xenophobic, racist, misogynistic, narcissistic heap of orange colored dung. And those, John Dale, are his good points.

  172. John Dale 2019-08-23 08:07

    mike from iowa – Donald Trump is the President of The United States of America.

    We chose him to stand-up against China.

    Because this century will be an American century.

    I recommend diversifying investments and hedging against The US handing China (and The Rothchilds’) its ass.

    That is all.

  173. mike from iowa 2019-08-23 08:17

    Drumpf was in no way elected legally. The people chose HRC by 3 million votes and all your Drumpfian lies about millions of illegal Dem voters have been debunked over and over again.

    Remember Obama? He was legally elected twice and wingnuts refused to treat him as legally elected. They still don’t.

    And half of the koch bros died yesterday so there went likely billions of bucks to the insane party of un-American whiteys.

  174. John Dale 2019-08-23 08:22

    mike from iowa – you’re rantings are borderline insane.

    You have Trump Derangement Syndrome .. bad.

  175. mike from iowa 2019-08-23 08:33

    And you are a NUT!!!

    Everything I post about Drumpf is 99 plus percent true and accurate.

  176. John Dale 2019-08-23 08:47

    mike from iowa – “99 plus percent true”

    That is nuts – just too meta.

    GO USA!

    It is niggardly to attack The US and its president when things get tough in a trade war that should have been fought 5+ presidents ago.

  177. mike from iowa 2019-08-23 09:51

    Nice job of debunking my claim, tool. Oh wait, you didn’t. Wingnuts like you attacked the previous and last legally elected Potus we had on a daily basis.

  178. John Dale 2019-08-23 10:50

    mike from iowa – at some point you have to put up or shut up. We’re not playing basketball here. In this case, drilling a three point shot proverbially means you need some evidence.

    The strategy I see from you is older than a dinosaur fart and twice as stinky. Ad hominem arguments with no proof, just slander, besmirching character with no evidence, personal and ugly attacks and defamation with little insight.

    I’m trying to help you here, bud.

    Trump is taking on China and doing all the manly things that previous president”S” did not do, and we who duly elected him are happy about it.

    The rest of the brainwashed character assassins will have to break out of the trans.

    At this rate, Trump’s face is going to be on Mount Rushmore, and a few million people will not understand why.

    No disrespect to the Lakota or their claim to the title of the Black Hills which as a property rights purveyor I think has some merit.

    But I mean for heck’s sake. Trump signs an Ag bill that legalizes hemp and you don’t bat an eyelash.

    Trump points out that we “chose” him, and you lose your mind.

    Please, get a grip and have that Trump Derangement Syndrome looked at .. WATCH infowars, READ a Roger Stone book, LISTEN to Mike Cernovic.

    Whatever you do, please stop spewing this intellectual spewdom all over the place. It’s making our country messy.

    1 – Wall under construction
    2 – Tax cuts passed
    3 – President Trump not assassinated
    4 – President Trump visited North Korea
    5 – India took over Kashmir
    6 – President Trump is beating the snot out of China
    7 – President Trump took on the MSM and is winning 160 characters at a time.
    8 – Mueller was exposed as a dysfunctional old man
    9 – Clintons and their Pedo Island is exposed
    10 – The Pope’s and Masonic OTO network is exposed
    11 – The Illuminati and world banks have LOST CONTROL
    12 – We are on the doorstep of human freedom
    13 – We are capturing the automation economy for the GOOD of mankind
    14 – American unemployment NOT BAD
    15 – Google will be broken-up and their executives punished!

    The list goes on, but I have work to do.

    Obama was not my personal Waterloo (PROOVE otherwise). Don’t let President Trump be yours!

  179. mike from iowa 2019-08-23 11:07

    John Dale, if you ever get a grip and rejoin reality, maybe we can have a real sane conversation. Unless and until then, you are a right wing troll nutjob with no credibility.

  180. John Dale 2019-08-23 11:11

    mike from iowa – “no credibility”

    You should come with your own arguments and criticisms.

    When it comes to credibility, why would you think I have none?

    President – predicted
    Google – predicted
    Home school (14 years ago) – major trend now
    Advanced degree from a reputable institution
    20+ years in my field.
    Provide evidence, cogency, validity, and soundness to what I write

    Okay, your turn (spend more than a minute and try not to talk about me when you’re building your own credibility, because that detracts from your credibility and makes you look petty).


  181. moses6 2019-08-23 11:15

    Do you use drugs by any chance.

  182. bearcreekbat 2019-08-23 11:25

    I might add that posts like John Dale’s at 2019-08-23 at 10:50 tend to undermine his credibility as an advocate for changing marijuana laws in SD. Such a post raises the question of the trustworthiness of anything that someone living in such a Trumpian fantasy/conspiracy world asserts about the benefits of legalizing marijuana, medical, recreational, or even hemp. Associating such tripe with positive marijuana laws creates the image that marijuana use results in either delusional thinking or is based on a willingness to lie and gaslight to convince others. Either way, John Dale’s post reflects badly on him as a source of rational arguments for the legalization of marijuana.

  183. John Dale 2019-08-23 12:28

    bearcreekbat – “posts like John Dale’s”

    This from someone who is deranged about President Trump – THE MAN WHO SIGNED THE AG BILL THAT LEGALIZED HEMP.

    Join the real fight, overcome your neo-left brain washing and join the heart of America.

  184. John Dale 2019-08-23 12:30

    moses6 – “Do you use drugs by any chance”

    Hello anonymous poster on The Internet. My name is John Dale (yes, that is my real name).

    I do not use drugs. Whenever I get a chance legally, use as much Cannabis as possible. Alas, since I live in SD, those opportunities are few and far between.


    John Dale

  185. Anne 2019-08-23 12:48

    John Dale’s posts confirm the contentions about the incapacitating effects of Cannabis.

  186. John Dale 2019-08-23 13:05

    Anne – in order for your analysis to be correct, you have to actually prove that my arguments are invalid.

    It’s a fallacy to assume a premise that is clearly disputable.

    I see many degenerative arguments against people, but very little substantive “pro truth” information.

    Maybe you think I’m crazy for not ignoring the truth because there are scary people covering it up. That would be more cogent, valid, and sound than anything I’ve seen posted here.

    “You are crazy for wanting to take on China” – that’s just loser talk.

    Come to the light side, Anne.

    Visit my website for more information about the truth on the Cannabis issue. Also, yesterday I had a fantastic discussion with Leo Zagami (someone with whom I do not agree on everything, but I loved speaking with and learning from him). He’s an ex Illuminati and 33rd degree Mason. If you listen to the entire interview, despite the fact that I talked little and listened a lot, you’ll learn a lot about me.

    The interview is at

  187. John Dale 2019-08-23 13:07

    Anne – “incapacitating effects of Cannabis”

    Enlighten us .. what are the incapacitating effects of Cannabis?

    Pesticide laden cartel weed from California?

    Or organic grown sativa from Choice Organics in Fort Collins?

    There is a big difference.

  188. mike from iowa 2019-08-23 13:07

    I, John Dale, do not use drugs except when I, John Dale, does use drugs. Sure enough sounds like a Drumpfian.

  189. John Dale 2019-08-23 13:12

    If I was growing a dense oily sativa strain of Cannabis spp right now, I would call it.


  190. mike from iowa 2019-08-23 13:15

    Cloud of uncertainty over legalized pot as feds end Obama-era accommodation
    Nation Jan 6, 2018 12:15 PM EDT
    Three days after California businesses began selling marijuana for recreational use, a policy change by the federal government has sparked uncertainty about the future of legalized cannabis and provoked sharp reactions from officials in the state and around the nation.

    U.S. Attorney General Jeff Sessions Thursday rescinded an Obama-era policy that discouraged federal prosecutors from cracking down on the sale and consumption of pot. Sessions issued a memo directing prosecutors to enforce federal marijuana laws to “disrupt criminal organizations, tackle the growing drug crisis and thwart violent crime across our country.”

    The Obama administration’s hands-off approach had paved the way for a growing number of states to legalize cannabis use and boosted the multibillion-dollar marijuana industry.

  191. John Dale 2019-08-23 13:22

    mike from iowa – I do not consider cannabis a “drug” obviously.

    Meth is schedule II. Cannabis it schedule I.

    The reasons why are dubious.

    I know you won’t or can’t read it, but go here and look for all caps:

    We’ve been duped by our government (go figure).

  192. Anne 2019-08-23 13:27

    There is no arguing with incoherence, which constitutes my evidence.

  193. o 2019-08-23 13:43

    John Dale: ” I do not consider cannabis a “drug” . . .

    That one made me laugh. John, you do not consider ANYTHING fact that serves to derail your established world view.

    – Cannabis is not a drug
    – Gun deaths from suicide don’t “count”
    – Trump is great for the economy . . .

    On and on, nobody here will accuse you of letting facts get in the way of your dogma.

  194. John Dale 2019-08-23 13:47

    o – nice selective context-less editing.

    Cannabis is not a drug .. it cannot be prescribed federally (Schedule I), nor should it really even be on the schedule.

    Gun deaths from suicide should not count when examining gun violence statistics since it is not clear if, when there is such violence against the self, that there is a victim.

    Trump is great for the economy – it’s always darkest before the dawn.

    The only people that will lose are those that bet on this being a Chinese century. Some people bet on Hitler, too. These people .. were MORONS.

  195. John Dale 2019-08-23 13:49

    o – “you do not consider ANYTHING fact that serves to derail your established world view”

    The truth of the world is independent of my world view.

    The question is this – is John Dale’s world view more accurate?

    Well, if they are, he would be right about stuff like Trump’s election, cannabis legalization realities, economic issues, gun control (how’s that red flag stuff going?).

    I’m on record. So are you.

    Any independent impartial judge would likely think most here are brainwashed unthinking imaleable zealots.

  196. John Dale 2019-08-23 13:50

    For what it’s worth, I know there are people like me here who just read.

    I’m not trying to un-stupid anybody.

    Rather, I’m trying to reach-out to the sane, intelligent, and capable that have been unduly persecuted in the last 5 decades.

    You are not alone.


  197. Debbo 2019-08-23 14:21

    Yes indeedy folks; we have a live loony in Dale! As I’ve said before, he is entertaining!

    Mike, try to be gentle with him. On the other hand, your definition of Rancid Racist, “Drumpf is also an insane pathological lying, anti-semitic, xenophobic, racist, misogynistic, narcissistic heap of orange colored dung,” is one of the best I have ever read.

    Lastly, anyone whose ability to reason, fact find, logically assess, etc, is questioned by Dale, should consider herself or himself honored.

    Oh, Anne, do not use Dale’s conspiracy loving paranoia as an indictment of the medicinal and recreational benefits of weed. I’m pretty sure he’d be fairly nuts without it too.

  198. mike from iowa 2019-08-23 14:53

    Gun deaths from suicide should not count when examining gun violence statistics since it is not clear if, when there is such violence against the self, that there is a victim

    Of course not. Suicide victims aren’t really dead. They are crisis actors and the conspiracy theorists are the true victims.

  199. John Dale 2019-08-23 15:16

    mike from iowa – “They are crisis actors”

    Great argument. I’m even more convinced of my position, now.

    Rhetorical ..

  200. John Dale 2019-08-23 15:17

    Debbo – “we have a live loony in Dale! As I’ve said before, he is entertaining”

    When do I know I have destroyed an opponents argument?

    When they start attacking me personally and devolving to rhetoric .. nearly from the beginning!


    To the victor go the spoils of credibility for those who are not pursuing an agenda disingenuously.

  201. Porter Lansing 2019-08-23 15:20

    -He promised in a 2016 interview, with the WashPost’s Bob Woodward and Robert Costa, to wipe out the national debt in eight years. Instead, he’s increased the deficit and inflated the debt by trillions.
    -He promised to build “a great wall,” but inflates the mileage he claims by mixing replacement projects with new construction.
    -He promised Mexico would pay, but of course it hasn’t.
    -He promised to repeal the Affordable Care Act and give amazing health care to everyone. Failed on both scores.
    -He promised to reverse trade deficits. Instead, the U.S. trade deficit with Europe has grown.
    -Trump, who yesterday called Afghanistan “the Harvard University of terrorism,” had pushed to end America’s longest war. But he hasn’t withdrawn all U.S. troops, and said: “We’ll always have somebody there.”
    -Other areas where reality has fallen short: infrastructure (“We will build gleaming new roads, bridges, highways, railways and waterways all across our land”) and ending the opioid crisis.
    -Perhaps Trump’s most absurd broken promise: to drain the swamp. Instead, he brought us Scott Pruitt and friends.
    Watch for … Trump to argue that unfulfilled promises are the fault of others.

  202. mike from iowa 2019-08-23 15:52

    John Dale, I am more convinced than ever, you are a NUTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!

  203. John Dale 2019-08-23 16:23

    mike from iowa – if I call you a pink elephant in the corner of the room, it doesn’t make it true.

    Sometimes you feel like a ..

    “[John Dale is an entertaining intelligence.]” — Debbo

  204. Roger Cornelius 2019-08-23 16:41

    John Dale
    Would you by any chance know what it means “to preach to the choir”?

  205. John Dale 2019-08-23 17:00

    Porter Lansing – in my estimation, Trump has made good faith efforts on all of this in the face of sometimes illegal obstruction.

  206. John Dale 2019-08-23 17:00

    Roger Cornelius – glad to know I’m not alone.

  207. bearcreekbat 2019-08-23 17:08

    John Dale, you are welcome to call me “deranged” or any other pejorative name that gives you a sense of your superiority (or as a friend once put it – “that squirts your pickle”), but insulting me changes nothing about the validity of my comment at 2019-08-23 at 11:25. Just as when you accused me of lying about the Trump policy to reduce and discourage legal immigration, it changed nothing. And I note you did not withdraw your slur after I posted credible links supporting exactly what you asserted I lied about.

    And as you can see from Ann’s comments 2019-08-23 at 12:48 and 2019-08-23 at13:27, your repetition of what you have heard on infowars and other similar cites simply creates a factual basis to challenge whatever you say about cannabis and potentially drives away rational folks who otherwise might be willing to consider the validity of your arguments. If you are willing to misrepresent so many facts about Trump and what he has done, it is no wonder that some folks would conclude you are making similar misrepresentations whenever you make actual truthful factual statements intended to help people understand why the current marijuana laws ought to be changed.

  208. mike from iowa 2019-08-23 17:15

    Today Drumpf, and by extension, John Dale, had this to say…
    Donald J. Trump

    The Dow is down 573 points perhaps on the news that Representative Seth Moulton, whoever that may be, has dropped out of the 2020 Presidential Race!

    2:01 PM – Aug 23, 2019

    He seemed nice.

  209. mike from iowa 2019-08-23 17:19

    Roger Cornelius – glad to know I’m not alone.

    You’ll never walk alone,JD, as long as Drumpf and Alex Jones have your back, until they throw you under the bus. BTW, how much actual wall has been built? Not replacement fencing. Not fill ins. Actual wall as Drumpf envisioned?

  210. John Dale 2019-08-23 17:21

    bearcreekbat – do you have an undisclosed conflict of interest regarding Marijuana legalization campaigns in South Dakota?

    Unless I’m mistaken, I’ve offered opinions, evidence, and logic to support my positions and in response to any evidence presented.

    As long as your side is focused on discrediting the person, calling him Chubby, mentally challenged, and other slurs (he is the President .. get over it .. it’s your right to comment, but it’s also your right to be wrong).

    That you are not able to encapsulate different arguments and analyze their respective merits without making vague and weak interdependencies leads me to believe you thought Hillary Clinton would win in 2018, and that Trump doesn’t have a chance in 2019.

    What I see is this – Trump is taking care of the tough stuff now, and by the time the election rolls around the economy, security, and well being of our country will be assured. If not, all bets are off anyway and I expect Chinese regulars to be marching in town-by-town, anyway.

    We really only have one option and Trump is taking it. Everything else is ignoring the problem, enabling the instigators, and those with no discipline or ethical compass who have no business leading anyway.

  211. Porter Lansing 2019-08-23 17:21

    As predicted in my last sentence, Trump and Dale will blame others for the lack of Republican success.
    Hey, Dale. “This isn’t the try hard league. This is the do good league.”

  212. John Dale 2019-08-23 17:22

    bearcreekbat – “[I presented you evidence of my derangement and my narcissism with respect to President Trump, John Dale .. and you didn’t adopt my opinions. I am shocked. You must be an idiot. Therefore you are wrong about Marijuana”.

    Arguments of this general form should be thrown out the window.

  213. John Dale 2019-08-23 17:25

    “The Dow is down 573 points perhaps on the news that Representative Seth Moulton, whoever that may be, has dropped out of the 2020 Presidential Race!”

    That is an EPIC troll. Hilarious.


  214. mike from iowa 2019-08-23 19:13

    How much real wall has been built, did you say? What was that? Crickets? You want credibility? Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahjahja!

  215. Debbo 2019-08-23 20:16

    No Dale, I’m not attacking you personally. Your comments are so absurd the only thing left to do is laugh and enjoy the entertainment.

    Go ahead and declare yourself the complete and total victor, then go home and watch more bizarre videos.

  216. Debbo 2019-08-23 20:51

    This is from National Memo, a left-leaning news organization:

    “trump began pushing the idea of a ‘deep state,’ referring to alleged actors within the federal government working to end his presidency, from very early on in 2017.

    “The wild allegation, which traces its roots to 9/11 and Sandy Hook conspiracy theorist Alex Jones, was an attempt to defend and explain away the FBI investigation of his campaign’s interactions with Russian elements.

    “Since Trump began pushing the idea, the phrasing has been adopted by other Republicans and by Trump’s allies at outlets like Fox News.”

    It’s absolutely true, isn’t it Dale? The “Deep State” is real and it’s the real bad guys, not the white terrorists, and it’s coming for all of us. C’mon Dale. You know you believe that stuff. You think it’s really real.

    The “Deep State”! 😱😱😱😱😱

  217. jerry 2019-08-23 21:06

    Face it, Chubby trumpy has been beaten by Xi like a pinata. Farmers can relax though, as there will be more money coming down the pike for doing nothing but sitt’n on that sack of seeds.

    Boys, you’all ain’t gonna get any help other than welfare from those that want to buy your vote. Remember this though, once that election is over… you are too. There won’t be any more help and there damn sure won’t be a market for ye either.

  218. mike from iowa 2019-08-24 09:40

    “Our tariffs are working out very well for us, people don’t understand that yet,” Trump argued.

    John Dale and Alex Jones understand you perfectly, dear Comrade Drumpfski.

  219. Porter Lansing 2019-08-24 10:53

    We understand that you’ll not wait out China in a real war or a trade war. Trump was a Vietnam draft dodger and didn’t learn the lesson of fighting and losing to China. They’ll starve every last person before they lose a trade war to a man who’s up for election and then term limited in just a few short years. Trade wars last decades. Presidents last less than one.

  220. John Dale 2019-08-24 10:55

    mike from iowa –

    As I understand it, when secret societies prodded the downfall of fundamentalist Christian Czars in Russia after WWII, Russia began a long journey of the reconstruction of their Christian culture destroyed by the war and the subsequent global bank operations.

    The election of Trump was a restoration of Christian power in the halls of government of the strongest nation on Earth.

    In this way, I think The US and Russia have realigned themselves against a selfish, Godless totalitarian menace hell bent on mental and physical masturbation as religion.

    When it comes to beating China, whatever it takes. If Christianity in principle respects agency and free will, I support it (even if I do not subscribe to the totality of the doctrine).

    Things are more nuanced an interesting when the analyst gives the issues, context, and factual integration a longer shrift.

  221. John Dale 2019-08-24 10:59

    mike from iowa – icymi

    The next appropriation should be .. interesting.

    I’m afraid someone so totally invested in the establishment of lies would have nothing more to do but rhetoric and propaganda.

    Meanwhile, President Trump just keeps inching the ball forward, scoring touchdown after touchdown .. eventually, the brown water will wear off and you’ll be talking about next year.

    Always next year.

    Our President is doing an amazing job in the face of a very difficult challenge and he and his team are winning. This period of history was 20 years in the making. I hope you’re paying attention.

  222. John Dale 2019-08-24 11:03

    Porter Lansing – being so invested means one of two things.

    1 – you’re genuine and will wake up in a fog of depression someday
    2 – you are not genuine, running a confidence game, and you’ll just keep on going till nobody believes the lies anymore, then you’ll either form your opinion or move on to the next most viable untruth that supports a corrupt establishment

    There are probably some other possible outcomes, but I gotta go pick up some bacon for brunch, which sounds a lot better than countermanding your FUD (for the time being).

    If you get bored and want to listen to an amazing interview, go over to and catch the interview I did with Leo Zagami this week.

    It was really very good, authentic, and genuine. :)

  223. mike from iowa 2019-08-24 11:44

    Leo Lyin Zagami is a regular on Infowars. Enough about the credibility he doesn’t possess.

    As for Drumpf Dale, again he ignores the subject at hand and tries to deflect away from the wall that has not been built, is not being built and hopefully never will be built.

    Time for Dale to put on his klan hood and stand in the corner with drumpf, the other dunce.

  224. John Dale 2019-08-24 12:21

    mike from iowa – swami says, you didn’t listen to the interview.

    It’s probably better that way.

    Your head won’t explode from all the satanic illuminati satanic OTO information that is not public information (and has been for awhile).

    That someone might not be credible because they are on Alex Jones makes you look really silly.

    Jones interviewed Bev Harris for goodness sake.

    Down boy.

  225. bearcreekbat 2019-08-24 12:40

    There John Dale goes again (comment 2019-08-24 at 11:03), suggesting another commenter is making false statements, hence is confused or a liar; this time Porter. Lets examine the comment Porter made just before Dale’s insult to see whether Porter’s statements are false and whether he is confused or lied, or whether John Dale falsely demeaned Porter. Here is Porter’s post at 2019-08-24 at 10:53, broken down statement by statement followed by analysis:

    – [John Dale will] not wait out China in a real war or a trade war.

    I don’t really understand this claim, but it appears to simply be an opinion predicting the future rather than a statement of fact, which by definition cannot be a lie.

    – Trump was a Vietnam draft dodger and didn’t learn the lesson of fighting and losing to China.

    The evidence is clear that Trump used a medical excuse to avoid (a/k/a “dodge”) being drafted and thereby did not fight in Viet Nam. Porter’s statement is verifiable in fact, hence true.

    – [China will] starve every last person before they lose a trade war to a man who’s up for election and then term limited in just a few short years.

    This statement seems partially an opinion and partially factual. Since it predicts the future it is obviously an opinion, hence not a lie, although China’s history of starving its people, especially from 1959–1961, is evidence supporting this opinion.

    Meanwhile, it is a verifiable fact that Trump is up for election and will be term limited.

    – Trade wars last decades. Presidents last less than one.

    This comparision of the term of a president to a decades long trade war seems both opinion and fact. Stating that a trade war will last longer than a decade again is by definition an opinion since it predicts the future, while the prediction also has some historical support – the US trade war with Canada over lumber (1982-the present) and US trade war with Europe over bananas (starting in the 1990’s and lasting over two decades).

    Meanwhile, the 22nd Amendment to our Constitution explicitly limits the term of the US Presidents to less than one decade.

    It looks like Dale needs to come forward with some factual support indicating what statements in Porter’s comment prompted Dale to call Porter confused or a liar. Without more, the initial analysis seems to indicate Dale’s insults of Porter were neither true nor warranted, and perhaps another example of Trumpian projection that we see too frequently these days.

  226. John Dale 2019-08-24 12:42

    mike from iowa – you tell ME.

    Although, I wonder if you also know how many bullets the army has, or how many personnel are in our forward operating bases, and where other key military assets are located.

    Keep typing typy-mc-typerson.


    Trust me, I’m very worried that legal experts are worried about Trump. Thank you for that information.

  227. Porter Lansing 2019-08-24 12:44

    John Dale … I tried listening to one of your links but my computer got a virus. Is somebody in the deep state controlling your transmissions?

  228. Porter Lansing 2019-08-24 13:04

    Thanks, Bear. My point is that Trump thought a trade war would be easy to win, by being a bully. He thought China was weak, Probably because he’s a racist and thinks Asian people are inferior to his German blood. He’s seeing now that he was wrong and he doesn’t know what to do but wait and lie about events that have happened. And, lie about what’s going to happen. He’s too stubborn to quit so USA is going to have to suffer through higher prices.

  229. John Dale 2019-08-24 13:10

    Porter Lansing – “virus”

    Well, the least I can do is help you troubleshoot your problem.

    What kind of virus? How do you know it was from my site?

    In my 20 year history of developing software and maintaining HTML5 applications, this is the first report that anyone has contracted a virus as a result of using our standards-compliant, web based, HTML software (it’s basically a web page .. you don’t get viruses from web pages).

    Or, do you mean while you were surfing The Internet you were also kissing somebody with herpes? If that’s the case, you’ll just have to live with yourself (somehow).

    Very low blow, compadre’ .. even for you.

  230. John Dale 2019-08-24 13:12

    bearcreekbat – well, he did just lie about getting a virus from my website.

    As for your other statements, they are mostly either red herrings or personal attacks that have no bearing on the big, beautiful wall he’s building.

    Have a super day!


    Remember, nobody should listen to that Leo Zagami interview at because you might get Porter Lansings virus .. or something like that.

    *rolls eyes*

  231. mike from iowa 2019-08-24 13:13

    To retro-fit Dale’s missing memory..

    .Whatever you do, please stop spewing this intellectual spewdom all over the place. It’s making our country messy.

    1 – Wall under construction

    No it is not and John Dale can’t provide any proof of this one simple statement, but he sure can deflect. Therefore, Dale, like drumpf, jones, cernovich and dead Breitbart has no credibility.

    BCB proves that every time he elicits a phony response from Dale.

  232. Porter Lansing 2019-08-24 13:36

    Yeah, Dale. If you enable remote assistance, then select invite I’ll connect to your PC and help you, or offer to teach Jessica how to fix it for you. I see your Java skills are kinda outdated.

  233. mike from iowa 2019-08-24 13:37

    Porter, I never go to any sites suggested by the troll just in case.

    Yes, it’s entirely possible to get infected by simply visiting a website. Most commonly via what we call “Exploit Kits”. Right now, EK are used to deliver a lot of dangerous malware (such as banking trojans and Cryptoware) to computers worldwide. So using a standard Antivirus and Antimalware won’t cut it.

  234. Porter Lansing 2019-08-24 13:47

    MFI is aware enough to know what is being said by JDale and Infowars without reading or hearing them, anyway. As my favorite, short term, resident of Sioux Falls once sang, “You dont have to be a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.”

  235. John Dale 2019-08-24 14:52

    Porter Lansing – “java skills”

    Java has a bleeding edge. It always take a long time for the Java community writ large to adopt later java versions.

    I worked for a bank who was still on 1.6.

    Anyone else interested can also find my resume here:

  236. John Dale 2019-08-24 14:53

    Porter Lansing – you know what they say.

    Those who can, do. Those who can’t put their hands in their pants and watch others do.

  237. John Dale 2019-08-24 14:57

    mike from iowa – “I never go to any sites suggested by the troll just in case”

    You CAN’T have anyone who might believe you go to my site.

    Just in case, they can just use a library computer.

    All bets are off with SPECTR (google it).

    My websites are privacy certified. No third parties involved. No viruses. No browser-based Java (Java dominates the server and is a favorite of banks and military because of it). Unlike something like CNN, is privacy certified and as secure and clean as it gets.

    For what it’s worth, I did some analysis on DakotaFreePress ..

    Should I post my results?

    Porter Lansing – so, you’re a script kiddie?

  238. Debbo 2019-08-24 15:12

    Dale is not going to admit facts gentlemen. In that way he’s like the Chinese communist regime. Sadly, they’re more honest than Liar-in-Chief, Dale’s hero.

    Imo, Dale’s entertainment value is pretty much used up. The same joke over and over has become tiresome. Goodbye gentlemen. Dale, you too.

  239. John Dale 2019-08-24 15:34

    Debbo – I’m not really doing this to entertain you, but I am glad to have created that externality.

    I am not a political operative (I’m registered Independent).

    We ARE all Americans, however, and Donald John Trump is our duly elected President.

  240. jerry 2019-08-24 15:43

    Chubby trumpy was not duly elected, he lost by 3 million votes.

  241. John Dale 2019-08-24 15:55

    jerry – definition of “duly elected”

    “..the person is the true winner of the election, according to the county’s election rules..”

    “President Donald John Trump”

  242. Porter Lansing 2019-08-24 15:59

    Agreed, Debbo. It’s getting stale. JDale … Don’t be so self consumed and enough with the endless self-promotion. Even if you’re good at what you do, don’t constantly tell everyone how skilled you are at programming in Assembly language, or your grasp of how a buffer overflow is achieved. No one cares. Try helping people and your fear of society may diminish. Or, not. Some neuroses just need stronger meds.

  243. jerry 2019-08-24 15:59

    China says that they’re not foolin around. Chubby trumpy pouts and spouts how we are winning. Should be whining.

  244. John Dale 2019-08-24 16:07

    Porter Lansing – Thanks for the compliment.

    We bailed China out after WWII.

    They don’t have the stomach to tangle with us for real.

    Xi is running a hustle to soft land his team.

    Hitting us is not the problem. It’s when the US decides to hit back when comes the price of the strike.

  245. John Dale 2019-08-24 16:09

    Porter Lansing – “self promotion”

    My websites address your concern. I type enough. I’ve already typed my websites. When I can copy/paste a link, it saves my wrists.

    I am an entrepreneur. The entrepreneur does not stop promoting.


  246. mike from iowa 2019-08-24 17:36

    Drumpf Dale, do you ever stop the bull sh$t?

  247. Roger Cornelius 2019-08-24 18:09

    “China Suspends Ag Purchases from U.S.”

  248. jerry 2019-08-24 18:13

    Exactly how did the US bail out China? Details.

    China, however, did bail out the United States in 2008. Had it not been for China, we would be speaking Russian now… oh, I see that ship has sailed with the balloon dude, Chubby trumpy.

    “The financial rescue plan passed by the US Congress is viewed as flawed but necessary to head off panic in financial markets and loss of confidence in the economy. It seems a holding operation, a Plan C or D that might need augmentation via a Plan A.

    A vital component of a Plan A is likely to be additional money. For one thing, there is suspicion that the amount of toxic assets is considerably greater than the rescue plan provides for. For another, more money may be required to address the problem in the housing market by providing relief to subprime and marginal borrowers. And finally, further fiscal stimulus could become necessary if recessionary forces take hold.

    Where will this additional money – perhaps as much as another $500bn – come from? The US taxpayer is wary. Joe Six-Pack has ponied up a lot already, and done so with no great confidence that the money was for a worthwhile cause or that it will be well spent.

    Enter China. Ken Rogoff of Harvard cheekily characterised the vast Chinese accumulation of US Treasury bonds over the past five years as the biggest foreign assistance programme in history.”

  249. jerry 2019-08-24 18:16

    Guess where China is making ag purchases??

  250. jerry 2019-08-24 19:29

    Snark, Chubby trumpy has now come to this

    “As part of his ever-escalating trade war with China, Donald Trump has ordered Americans to stop patronizing Chinese restaurants.

    “If they think they can outsmart me, they better think again,” said the master negotiator. “I am hitting them where it hurts, in the stomach. This was always my nuclear option and I’m using it. No more family nights at the local Chinese restaurant … no more takeout.”

    Wouldn’t surprise me a bit to see Chubby trumpy in the buffet line balancing two plates all the while wearing his white hood outfit.

  251. jerry 2019-08-24 20:11

    The United Kingdom (not for long) wants the United States to lower it’s restrictions on imports of food and produce. Guess what industry (ag) is gonna be the big loser on this one.

    “Offering an example of a restriction, Mr Johnson said: “Melton Mowbray pork pies, which are sold in Thailand and in Iceland, are currently unable to enter the US market because of, I don’t know, some sort of food and drug administration restriction.”

    He continued: “UK bell peppers cannot get into the US market at all.”

    The hits just keep coming ag folks, so just keep voting for republicans like Chubby trumpy until that changes and they no longer need your vote, then, no more welfare, the gravy train ends.

    There is a solution, pay attention to your vote and don’t vote for the bums that are making you beggars, vote Democrats!!

  252. John Dale 2019-08-25 05:51

    The Democrat community used to be all for organic food and health.


    Not so much.

    US Farmers have been pigeon holed into producing the world’s soy and other Monsanto (British company recently bought by a Germany company) pesticide laden commodities as the family farm was marginalized and stamped nearly out of existence due to global market forces hell bent not on producing superior products, but rather disempowering the US and stealing her resources.

    What we see now in this trade war with China is an opportunity for US farmers to realign their products with what US citizens need – better food and cash crops like Hemp.

    Yet, globalist forces like Dakota Free Press commenters and Christie Noem stand in the way of this realignment because they are too proud to admit they are wrong about President Trump.


  253. John Dale 2019-08-25 06:12

    Trump promises a “very big trade deal” after Brexit.

    “Sorry I had a fight in the middle of your Black Panther party.” — Gump

  254. mike from iowa 2019-08-25 08:08

    Monsanto in the UK. Monsanto UK Ltd. is a wholly owned subsidiary of Monsanto Company, based in St. Louis, Missouri, USA. Monsanto’s presence in the UK has evolved significantly since its origins here in 1919, when the company entered into a partnership with R.A. Graesser Chemical works in Ruabon, Wales.

    Dale Drumpf is still full of caca del toro.

    Monsanto in the UK. Monsanto UK Ltd. is a wholly owned subsidiary of Monsanto Company, based in St. Louis, Missouri, USA.

    Monsanto in the UK. Monsanto UK Ltd. is a wholly owned subsidiary of Monsanto Company, based in St. Louis, Missouri, USA.

    Monsanto in the UK. Monsanto UK Ltd. is a wholly owned subsidiary of Monsanto Company, based in St. Louis, Missouri, USA.

    It bears repeatiing, Dale Drumpf is still full of caca del toro.

  255. jerry 2019-08-25 08:19

    China still has suspended ag purchases from United States. Apparently putting all of ones eggs in one basket is still not such a good idea.

  256. jerry 2019-08-25 08:39

    As Democrats tend to produce and grow hormone free beef, the markets open for them in the European Union. Democrats continue to work towards the production of hemp in South Dakota as a replacement crop for competition with China on that product. Republican lawmakers in South Dakota continue to build a wall around that accessibility following their demented governor.

    Meanwhile, China suspends all American ag sales to it’s shores.

  257. John Dale 2019-08-25 10:06

    I think we should get used to the idea that China will once again be a third world country like it was 60 years ago.


    “We have excess corn in various parts of our country with our farmers because China did not do what they said they were going to do. And Prime Minister
    , on behalf of Japan, they’re going to be buying all of that corn.” — President Donald John Trump

  258. jerry 2019-08-25 10:10

    China is still a third world country and it’s still not buying ag products from the United States, better get used to that.

  259. John Dale 2019-08-25 10:14

    mike from iowa – regarding monsanto and bayer.

    Business is complicated, granted, especially with internationally traded stock. Who owns what is not exactly clear.

    What is clear is that Monsanto’s heart was in the UK and they were executing plans to move their headquarters there before being bought by Bayer (in Germany). What happened next was awesome. Something like a trillion dollars in lawsuits from damages due to Monsanto’s cancer-causing round-up.

    Listen – nobody’s perfect, mike from iowa, and as long as you keep focusing on minutia and missing the big picture to attack people personally to elevate your own status I think life will be difficult. I’m not sure how old you are, but after reading your last post I envision a 3 year old in a high chair throwing pudding and banging fists on the tray.

  260. John Dale 2019-08-25 10:26

    jerry – “China is still a third world country and it’s still not buying ag products from the United States, better get used to that.”

    Fair enough.

    The global banking system and its connections to global war and human suffering need all of our focus right now.

    China and the USSR was propped up in the aftermath of WWII, by design. The US was too difficult to install at that time, but the encroachment is real and slow moving.

    Communism, at the behest of global banks, seeks to create a dashboard of control for Earth’s populations.

    Let’s not and say we did.


  261. jerry 2019-08-25 10:33

    But still, no purchases… Damn, you would think no one wants to do business with the United States because of our political situation… that would be correct. While we bomb and supply weapons, China does deals in the Middle Eastern governments.

    “Several factors currently make China an attractive partner for Middle Eastern governments. For starters, China has a dynamic, fast-growing economy and leaders who are highly suspicious of popular uprisings and democratization. Their top foreign-policy priorities are economic connectivity, a secure flow of energy resources, and protecting regional investments. China wants to export goods and commodities, not political ideas, to the Middle East.

    Moreover, like China, many Middle Eastern regimes are trying to strengthen their legitimacy through economic growth and development rather than real political reform. Still mindful of the 2011 Arab Spring uprisings across the region, several governments have announced ambitious national development plans aimed at boosting living standards – such as Saudi Arabia’s Vision 2030 and Kuwait’s Vision 2035. China’s so-far successful track record of economic development without political reform understandably holds great appeal for Arab autocrats.”

  262. John Dale 2019-08-25 11:15

    jerry -“because of our political situation”

    Deep within the well of American culture is a poison.

    That someone would have economic opportunities within our borders withheld because they do not hold the proper political disposition is a cultural cancer.

    Both sides do it.

    We must resolve this conflict and recognize that life outside the chambers of government must be fair and opportunity equalized.

    Political conflicts are not resolved through bigotry disguised as free choice. They resolved in the chambers of government only, and everyone has the right to actualize their potential through their work.

    This is a core principle of a free and fair market.

  263. John Dale 2019-08-25 11:17

    Totalitarianism, by its nature, seeks to resolve political issues in the public square through unfair exclusion and coercion.

    Perhaps this is the one exception to the principle, because it is the anti-principle, of free markets.

  264. jerry 2019-08-25 11:27

    Naw, just white nationalism or as most would call it, stupidity. China still isn’t buying ag products…from the United States. Other countries, doing lots of ag products, here, not so much.

  265. John Dale 2019-08-25 11:41

    jerry – “white nationalism”

    I disagree with the weaponization of so many parts of speech.

    Certain piticular actions are bad. Others are good.

    Words are never bad unless they are giving order to commit bad actions.

    If we start from that, we do not get into a tit for tat that reduces the list of allowable words.

    “Liberal” has changed.

    “White” is a bad word when combined with “nationalist”.

    “Male” and “female” are bad, use pronouns instead.

    It’s insanity.

    Words are protected by the first Amendment.

    Regarding the trade war, it will not be won in a single battle, and the status quo was a downward trend for the US.

    Trump had no choice, and I absolutely love that he stands up for America despite people who have made what I perceive to be bad bets on China.

  266. jerry 2019-08-25 12:44

    Chubby trumpy stands up for his own interests and his own interests are the interests he has to personally pay the banks in which he owes money to.

    By lowering the interest rate, it lowers his obligation payments to Duetsche Bank. Wake up, Chubby is a con.

  267. jerry 2019-08-25 13:23

    Ag producers and you are gonna love this latest from the chubby fingered chubster.

    “Donald Trump, who has his own line of clothing and other products made in China, has upped his rhetoric into the stratosphere of idiocy, claiming that we would be better off if we didn’t trade anything with China. Yeah, we can just walk away from a more than $700 billion economic relationship with the world’s most populous country.

    Even though farmers in Trump-backing Midwestern states have been getting hammered by the president’s trade war thanks to the retaliatory tariffs that China placed on their crops, the president signaled that he now believes America should break off trade with China entirely.

    “We don’t need China and, frankly, would be far better off without them,” the president wrote. “The vast amounts of money made and stolen by China from the United States, year after year, for decades, will and must STOP.”

    It’s going to be fun for him to tell farmers in Iowa, Michigan and other states that grow a large amount of soybeans, for whom China is the single largest market in the world, that they’d be better off not having them buying their product. In 2017, before Trump’s idiotic trade war, we sold 759 million bushels of soybeans to China alone; in 2018, after he launched his trade war, we sold them only 21 million bushels. That’s a drop that is simply mind-blowing and one that is devastating our soybean farmers.”

    Farmers, don’t look for help in the governor of South Dakota either, she hates you as much as Chubby trumpy does by not letting you grow a cash crop to replace the ones that they have taken from you. It’s times like these that seem to make a feller vote republican just to end it all.

  268. John Dale 2019-08-25 16:35

    jerry – “[President Trump] stands up for his own interests”

    I see this argument floating around. My response is that inherently humans are out for themselves. There is altruism, but only to the extent that it doesn’t appear to eminently endanger the altruist.

    I see the form of this argument often .. unrealistic expectations of Trump (or someone else), then criticism him for not meeting the unrealistic expectations.

    Of course he is out for himself, but not only himself. It’s a moot issue.

  269. John Dale 2019-08-25 16:36

    jerry – “farmers”

    They know, and they support undoing the trade imbalance with China, who is imperialistically encroaching on the interests of the US.

  270. John Dale 2019-08-25 16:40

    Cory – “you endorse the Marxist nationalization”

    Is this nationalization? If a Chinese firm was operating the US and Trump said, “this business is not an American company”, and populated it with US executives I think that’s the spirit of nationalization as I’ve seen it in South/Central America (Venezuela did it with oil extraction companies that were founded by US firms).

    In this case, given the evidence I’ve seen about the nature of Chinese infiltration into the US for purposes of espionage, I see this as a dire action to get US firms out of the firing line.

    It’s war footing, not nationalization of companies to be run by the government.

    Most people (including farmers) who have been following the China problem for decades, are not surprised by this move; we are wondering what took so long.

    I knew this question would come-up, and thought through it as best I could. Interested in your opinion regarding my understanding of nationalization.

  271. John Dale 2019-08-25 16:42

    mike from iowa – “Drumpf Dale .. simple, easy to answer question”

    Your questions almost always assume a false premise and force one to answer in a way favorable to some asinine and insulting conclusion.

    My strategy in this case is to address the false premise, not fall into the logical trap.

    One example, “phy occupant of the [White House]”

    I don’t think anybody with two brain cells to rub together will buy into this type of argument.

  272. o 2019-08-25 17:21

    John Dale: “I see this argument floating around. My response is that inherently humans are out for themselves. ” [Trump is in it for himself.]

    Isn’t that the whole point of having a President or leader with that amount of influence putting his or her holdings into a TRULY blind trust so that leader is not even tempted to look out for #1? This president has uniquely monetized his position for his personal gain. The Emoluments Clause HAS to be enforced.

  273. mike from iowa 2019-08-25 17:29

    Your imaginary answers always ignore the question and you rant about something entirely different. You are what we, in high school, called a space cadet. Waaaayyyyyy out there, man.

  274. John Dale 2019-08-25 17:33

    o – “Isn’t that the whole point of having a President or leader”

    A rising tide lifts all boats.

    To COMPLETELY deny Trump the opportunity to play in a market that is better for everyone is .. most illogical.

    I’m sure you don’t care that he’s donating his salary back.

  275. mike from iowa 2019-08-25 19:07

    Clews for the clewless (Drumpf and Dale) , wingnuts trickle down economies benefit only the wealthy, as they are designed to do.

    Drumpf has no idea what he is doing with trade wars and like you, does not know who is actually footing the tariff’s bills. Clew, it is not China.

    There is no “Deep State” unless you refer to the deep state of denial Dale and Drumpf live in.

  276. John Dale 2019-08-26 08:43

    Border wall news from CBP:

    “Construction crews continue work on the new border wall system along the SW border near San Luis, AZ. In partnership with @USACEHQ, CBP has constructed over 60 miles of new border wall system along the SW border since 2017 and expects to complete 450 miles by the end of 2020.”

    The wall is along the Yuma sector, where the Colorado River virtually ends to water the crops in the basin.

    There is a video on Twitter.

  277. Porter Lansing 2019-08-26 08:50

    We Dems will be honored to invite Trump to The Great Border Wall Grand Opening. You know; where we open the doors that we’ll have cut in every half mile.

  278. mike from iowa 2019-08-26 09:17

    None of the fencing is the border wall Drumpf promised Mexico would pay for.

    All 8 wall prototypes failed the required testing and were torn down.
    To date, none of Drumpf’s promised non-deterrent to legal immigration has been built.

  279. John Dale 2019-08-26 09:19

    Porter Lansing – “open the doors that we’ll have cut in every half mile”

    You don’t have to cut a hole in the fence to move to Mexico. Da da, CHING!


    But seriously, folks – admitting to a premeditated felony online is a pretty solid move.

  280. Porter Lansing 2019-08-26 09:25

    DonJon Trump is the premeditated felony. We’ll open the wall because we’ll be in charge. #DeepResistance
    PS … I love Mexico and could move there anytime. Lots of it is more civilized than Spearfish. 😂

  281. jerry 2019-08-26 09:42

    China is still not making ag purchases from the United States. Mexico is though, Viva la Mexico!!

  282. John Dale 2019-08-26 09:46

    Porter Lansing – “Lots of it is more civilized than Spearfish”

    If by civilized you mean a mafioso run government that would turn on you in a second if they thought it would benefit them, then yeah .. Mexico is safer. :)

    On one hand:
    “Mexico will not pay for the wall”

    On the other:
    “Mexico is still buying from The US!”

  283. jerry 2019-08-26 09:48

    At least the Balkanization for South Dakota will be Canada, the other parts of the fragmented country will be overseen by other nations.

  284. jerry 2019-08-26 09:58

    Mexico is the top purchaser of American soybeans, how about that!

    We want to try to be buds with a bud, man.

    China is still not buying Chubby trumpy tariffs on grain. Someone quick, flatter him and call him slim.

  285. John Dale 2019-08-26 11:04

    jerry – “China is still not buying Chubby trumpy tariffs”

    You are a fat shamer.

    Shame on you.

    Now, I am a shamer of a fat shamer.

    Trump is winning so much, I’m kind of getting sick of it.

    Wait, no I’m not ..

    The thrill one gets when one stands up for one’s self is exhilarating .. like the first time you sight up a long range sniper rifle and pull the trigger and hit the target .. in target practice (because the moment one has to use a gun for self defense is sad on so many levels).

  286. jerry 2019-08-26 12:14

    Chubby trumpy lost the most critical engagement in this conflict with China. It never was really about soybeans, it was all about technology and China proved, beyond a doubt, that they had paid more attention to infrastructure than the United States did. While trumpian republicans were busy screwing the American people out of healthcare and progress regarding infrastructure, China was moving forward developing rail as well as communications. Republicans all should be ashamed of themselves for allowing the weakening of this great country.

    “As the United States and China escalate the past year’s trade dispute into full-scale economic war, the decisive fact in the conflict has gone entirely unmentioned: China has already won the critical engagement in the conflict.

    It did so when Washington cajoled and threatened its allies to boycott Huawei’s rollout of 5G broadband, and suffered the most humiliating rebuff in this writer’s memory.”

    Indeed, China has still not purchased ag products from the United States either. Mexico has though, and we pile vile loads of hate on them for their efforts.

  287. mike from iowa 2019-08-26 13:00

    Put a sock in your caca del toro, Drumpf Dale. Stephanie Grisham got the job with Drumpf you have been auditioning for.
    2 DUIs, fired for plagiarism and fired for stealing funds from an employer got her the job. What are your qualifications other than deflection and obfuscation?

  288. John Dale 2019-08-26 15:20

    mike from iowa – “caca del toro”

    bred sivoy kobyly (that’s Russian for your preferred form of argument :)

    I have no idea what argument you are trying to make.

    My qualifications for what? Information Systems (MS MIS/Entrepreneurship from The Eller College at The University of Arizona, 20 years of experience leading teams developing enterprise software for banks and billion dollar institutions)?

    Moral Philosophy (Bachelor of Philosophy from The University of Arizona an a career of making tough moral decisions)?

    Musician (studied music in High School and at The University of Arizona, and thousands of hours of live performance along with two full albums and a demo)?

    Mental masturbation (well, you probably have me on this one)?

  289. jerry 2019-08-26 17:48

    Dale sounds like Chubby trumpy, more and more with his exaggerations. China is still not purchasing ag products.
    Mexico is purchasing a lot of ag products from the good ol’ USA. Viva la Mexico!!

  290. John Dale 2019-08-26 18:29

    hairy jerry – Mexico is paying for the wall, but you have to understand a balance sheet and general ledger to understand how.

  291. John Dale 2019-08-26 18:38

    Interesting article from The Atlantic.

    The Chinese thought they were better than they were ..

    Overconfidence is showing its head as Xi capitulates and asks for a “soft end” to the trade war.

    Can you imagine how much havoc would be wrought upon China if 1 million Hongkongers were equipped with weaponized individualize drones controlled with MicroSoft X-Box controllers? The Chinese backed police travel in big packs. It would be a blood bath ..

  292. mike from iowa 2019-08-26 19:13

    Only reputable outlet reporting China is caving on trade is no one. Fake Noize reports it so that means Drumpf capitulated to all of China’s demands, just like he did with Li’l Kim.

  293. mike from iowa 2019-08-26 19:22

    If any of what John Dale posted were his qualifications to tell lies for Drumpf, he would not be wasting his aND our time trying to convince us Alex Jones is sane. He would probably have an actual job and be whining about paying taxes.

  294. John Dale 2019-08-26 19:37

    psyche mikey – you’re in an echo chamber. Your words bounce back to you, you hear them, then nod, satisfied.

    How much was paid to the US Treasury in Chinese Tariffs?

    How many jobs were lost in China?

  295. mike from iowa 2019-08-26 20:54

    Yer still full of it. FACTCHECK POSTS
    Does China Pay Tariffs?
    By Brooks Jackson

    Posted on February 28, 2019

    President Donald Trump is fond of saying that China is paying billions of dollars to the U.S. as a result of the increased tariffs he has imposed on imports of Chinese goods. Not true. The tariffs are taxes paid by U.S. importers in the form of customs duties, and to some extent by U.S. consumers in the form of higher prices.

    Trump said it again most recently on Feb. 25, in remarks to state governors who were meeting in Washington, D.C.

    Trump, Feb. 25: Now, China is paying us, right now, billions and billions of dollars of tariffs a month. Every month, billions of dollars. I love it. Personally, I love it. But they’re paying billions of dollars. And it’s hurting them; it’s not good for them.

    The “billions” part is true — just barely. Most recent figures show monthly collections of duties on imports from China nearly tripled after the first round of Trump’s tariffs went into effect July 6, rising from an estimated $1.24 billion in June to $3.65 billion in October. Estimated collections were $3.30 billion in November, the most recent month for which the U.S. Census Bureau has released estimates, which may vary somewhat from actual collections. (Figures for December are delayed, due to the partial government shutdown.)

    But those increased tariff duties aren’t paid by China, or even by Chinese companies. Import duties are paid by U.S. importers, either directly or more commonly through customs brokers. The government’s “Guide for Commercial Importers” advises those who use brokers to make out a separate check “payable to ‘U.S. Customs and Border Protection’ for those customs charges, which the broker will then deliver to CBP.

  296. John Dale 2019-08-26 22:18

    psyche mike – just what kind of horse isht are you trying to peddle, here?

    “… estimated collections were $3.30 billion in November …”

  297. jerry 2019-08-27 11:49

    World’s largest wealth manager says sell. Chubby trumpy recession is marching rapidly along, aided and abetted by Rounds, Thune and Dirty. Give the rascals all the boot and put in people who know arithmetic, Democrats.

    “For the first time since the eurozone crisis, the world’s biggest wealth manager is bearish on stocks.
    In a note to investors, UBS Wealth Management Chief Investment Officer Mark Haefele said that the group, which manages more than $2.4 trillion, has shifted to an “underweight” recommendation on equities.
    The bank advised its wealthy clients to lower the proportion of stocks in their portfolios following President Donald Trump’s decision to raise tariffs on all exports from China by 5% last Friday.”

    China still is not buying ag products from the United States, dump Chubby trumpy and the rest of the goons, and we can start doing business.

  298. John Dale 2019-08-30 12:17

    mike from iowa – I think Christopher Hitchens’ ghost just threw up in its mouth a little.

    Your use of logic (really the lack thereof) is offensive.

  299. mike from iowa 2019-08-30 14:36

    Be offended and be damned to ye.

  300. Roger Cornelius 2019-08-30 17:22

    This is your daily reminder that Trump is a liar, he lies about everything.

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