O.K., all you Democrats who’ve been fretting about when or whether Billie Sutton would work up the guts to drop the hammer on Kristi Noem, here you go:
Sutton appears to be playing the timeline just right. He waited for Noem to take the first poke with her laughable, implausible effort to paint Billie Sutton as Hillary Clinton. He waited for the South Dakota Republican Party to launch a blatant lie against him for following campaign finance law as directed by the Secretary of State. And now, after three unique, mostly warm-toned, and intentionally, rhetorically sequenced ads—biography, small-town values vs. corruption, and Republicans love me because I love Jesus—he brings us Peggy the Republican, a Noemian antipode drinking honest coffee and calling Kristi Noem a selfish, special-interest panderer who voted to send jobs overseas and take away our health insurance.
Check that out: Sutton is taking two of Noem’s biggest pro-Trump votes: the Trump tax cuts and the effort to repeal ObamaCare, and turning them into anchors around her neck. (Hey, Adam Weiland! Do you see that? A South Dakota Democrat taking on a South Dakota Republican for trying to take away people’s health insurance? The issue has legs!)
Billie lets Peggy the Republican do all the talking, but notice this ad does not come from some sneaky PAC like the out-of-staters who helped Dusty Johnson beat down Shantel Krebs and helped Krebs strike back during the primary. Peggy the Republican is talking on Billie’s dime:
This video answers the question of whether Sutton can throw a punch. The questions now are how hard this punch will land and how many more Sutton will throw.
Update 22:38 CDT: Related Viewing: To take another swipe at the Noem/Trump tax cuts for the rich, Sutton (or Tim Bjorkman!) could take a cue from this Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee ad:
Ok, I kinda love this @dccc ad. pic.twitter.com/9yDyBMTTrk
— Tim Hogan (@timjhogan) October 3, 2018
Great AD Nice to see Billie bring out the truth on Noem.
Instead of vote no on Noem Vote Sutton for Gov
The more I talk to people, see Sutton signs up in places I’ve never seen a SD Dems sign before (in some cases next to Republican legislator’s signs), observe social media, etc. I’m totally convinced Billie can win this race.
How bad do we all want a win after 40 years of one party control of the Governor’s office? By the way that’s a US record. Everyone (even in solid red or solid blue States) knows a little shake up is good for the system. Everyone reading this help anyway you can. Billie is a great person and a great leader. He’d make an amazing Governor. The last Democrat that won the office was a young 30 something man… Dick Kniep. My dad a life long Republican who is voting for Billie said Kneip had a warm personality. Once you met him you couldn’t help but like him. Billie is much the same. Let’s win this race!
Are you rich Cory because you got a 20% tax deduction on your business?
I am still wondering why you aren’t advertising you are against the tax cuts?
Is Al advertising that you are against them?
Cory,
How did Noem raise Peggy’s drug costs?
I bet Billy can’t answer either.
Great ad from Billie and spot on! Both ads are hard hitting the facts. I am side table.
Now, Tim needs to hit Dirty Johnson on healthcare as well. We can’t afford Dirty Dusty in Washington, too close to the Russian consulate there. We all know how he gets when he sees red.
That’s a pretty good ad.
Kristi took your health care.
Kristi got $millions.
Kristi got the elevator, you got the shaft.
Good look too. Dark, foreboding. I like the ordinary woman doing the talking though. That low, fakey-ominous male voice gets kinda stupid after awhile.
I liked the DCCC ad too. Funny, in a painful kind of way. Argh.
The Democratic candidates need to keep above the junky way campaigns are typically fought. Those that remember the House race back in the 70’s when Tom Daschle and Bart Kull battled for the seat will recall how descent and respectful both candidates were, during and after the race was over. This is what we need now.
Randall, tell me: does this ad from Sutton qualify as “the junky way campaigns are usually fought”? Is it “junky” to point out that Noem took money from special interests and then voted against the public interest on two major pieces of legislation? Is it “junky” to have Peggy the Republican say that Kristi “doesn’t work for us”?
Noem voted with insurance companies to take away the protection for pre existing conditions. Noem votes to let us die while she enjoys free medical at our expense. Time to let her ride her horse film time
There is a big difference between negative campaign ads which point out verifiable facts and those which are based upon false defamations. Thune and Noem both have records that show they have acted in ways that hurt their constituencies. But they also have records of doing nothing in Congress in the interest of their constituencies. When Thune was in the House, Republican leaders from Brown County had to coerce him into setting up a constituent service office in Aberdeen, to support making Hwy. 12 a 4-lane to I-29 (Daschle did the actual work on that), and many other matters. Thune did not even belong to any agricultural or water development caucuses until a campaign opponent, the late Curt Hohn, pointed it out. Noem quit the House Ag Committee and accrued a remarkable record for her absence from votes.
In her campaign against Herseth Sandlin, who was on the agriculture and veteran committees, Noem said Stephanie was a puppet of Nancy Pelosi’s, when in fact she was a member of the Blue Dog Democrats who often took exception to the Democratic leadership. Nevertheless, the Democratic leadership did propose legislation of benefit for South Dakota which Herseth Sandlin supported.
Thune’s campaign against Tom Daschle was also based upon falsehoods, which were scripted for him. When Thune has gone off on his own, he has made absurd statements on the Senate floor that have gone viral in the press. He said Air Force intelligence officer Daschle had given comfort and aid to the enemy when Daschle spoke in opposition to the Iraq war. He represented Daschle’s success on the national stage as a betrayal of South Dakota. He further published full page ads that stated Daschle’s marriage to a “beauty queen” was a further betrayal.
In another comment thread on this blog, it was pointed out that as shameful as false defamations are, they are used with great success in South Dakota. And that is the problem for an honest politician: how do you educate a constituency in political facts when it much more prefers personal defamations?
Both are good ads. I hope Billie’s next one digs at noem’s disinterest in doing her job in washington and her blind allegiance to our criminal moron president.
It’s a good ad, but I question if it should have been run this early. I think the third week in October would have been better, in order, to seal the deal. But by turning this race negative early from both camps I am afraid only helps Noem, because the “Rock Star” euphoria for Sutton becomes lost in the mix.
I am not convinced that the Dems have a credible GOTV for Sutton or Bjorkman, that said, it is the inertia of “Rock Starism,” which might still elect Billie, but when you blurr that strategy, image, or euphoria with negativism early, then the rising star collapses before our eyes, I am afraid.
Cook Political Reports is now calling this race a toss-up. If that is the case, then the image game by Democrats is important and necessary to be saved and our only angle in the absence of a credible GOTV, but when you go negative against a Republican, who for the most part is the “incumbent” in this race and assumed front runner, then negative ads only allow one such as Noem to look as good as Sutton, when the whole idea up to know has been to suggest that Sutton is different and a breath of fresh air….
Is Peggy Grover really a Republican?
She’s married to a former Democrat State Senator and she donated to Sutton in 2010 and 2016.
Donating to Democrats means you are not a Republican.
https://www.keloland.com/news/politics/cook-political-report-calls-noem-sutton-race-toss-up-/1500751878
What’s up with that?
Jason says “Donating to Democrats means you are not a Republican.”
Imagine that! According to Jason a person cannot think for himself or herself and still be a Republican. That doesn’t say much for the nature of people like Jason who are expected to be like sheep or lemmings that merely follow the big “R” rather than consider and weigh the merits of each candidate.
I think Jason is incorrect. I think someone can be a Republican and still be honest, care about other people and the country over personal greed, and donate to and vote for whoever they think is the best candidate, regardless of what party that candidate chooses as his or her voter registration.
In SD we have a wide variety of registered Republicans, including both sheeple who blindly follow the “R” in voting and free thinking people who vote their conscience. Republicans who vote for Sutton instead of Noem demonstrate that they have thought about who is the best candidate for the state and the people rather than blindly follow in the footsteps of party leaders or the apparent party majority.
Jason, I fail to find any mention of Sen. Grover anywhere other than your comment. Could you clarify?
http://sdlegislature.gov/Legislators/Historical_Listing/LegislatorDetail.aspx?MemberID=3744
Yep, it’s gonna take Republican votes to win. My suggestion start some kissing up right here, now, and pronto with this gay Republican or he’ll vote Kristi. Who said politics isn’t fun!!! I’m just so undecided.
That is awesome news from Cook political report that the race is a tossup!
Billie truly cares about the people of South Dakota and would make a caring empathetic governor!
There are so many people hurting in South Dakota and the state needs a leader with the compassion and earnest desire to help people. The state needs a leader to stand up against corruption and cronyism.
Billie is the man!
JKC, does early voting change the calculus of when one ought to attack one’s opponent?
Interesting that the Noem apologists are focusing on telling us who’s a Republican and who’s not (elitism!) rather than on disproving Peggy the Republican’s statements about Noem’s special-interest donors and harmful votes. Billie talks policy, Kristi responds with personal attacks.
Jason meant GLover.
According to the Secretary of State, Peggy Glover of Burke is a registered Republican.
Sutton should run commercials of Noem getting nothing accomplished (i.e. the clip of her texting during a committee meeting, et al. And then cut away to a Noem lookalike from being slumping over a desk, all covered with dust from doing nothing. Billie should then roll u, dust her off and refer to her as “Dusty Noem.” Then every time anyone sees a Noem yard sign in tandem with a Dusty Johnson yard sign, they will remember that ad and her yard signs will end up working against her. I think some ad agency should hire me for my great ideas!!!
I think they hire you too Dave. I like the imagery!
Cory, that is a fair question. So then the question becomes where are we in terms of early voting and how much of the vote is still out? In fact, one could argue that with the use of early voting and a latent negative campaign, that you could create the best of both worlds for a candidate. Especially one, that I would allege the Sutton campaign had before it went negative.
The ad is negative? Are you kidding me? The ad is the truth.
Jerry, I would agree that it is the truth, but to the average voter it is still negative. The average voter does not like hostility, or especially prolonged hostility, even if it is the truth in South Dakota. So you have to be careful how and when you use it….. Image a totally positive campaign tied with the Cook Political Reports bombshell today, that would have been stronger than what we currently have as Democrats… I realize it is very easy to be a Monday morning quarterback on this, but I can’t help but wonder if only… But we will see… The ball is now in Noem’s court. Negativisim worked for Noem against Jackley primarily (no pun intended) in my estimation because of her timing more than her message…. Trust me, to win an election often, especially for a Dem in SD, its about the math (GOTV) and the timing of the message… Although, one could argue that Noem has already broke her own previous gameplan with early negativity…. We will see….
Sutton should follow up with a more positive commercial then and just use both of them on hand.
This doesn’t have to be the only Sutton ad until the election.
I did not see the ads, or, for that matter any ads unless they appear on blog sites. I have no tee vee and have not had one for a decade or more. What I did see was that NOem did not surprise, while Jackley thought that he was going to beat her because he was the mighty Jackley. As near as I could read, NOem was not far off in her ads in Jackley’s dealings, so there is that.
Sutton is just telling the truth. NOem has been working for 65 votes in the House to destroy people’s livelihoods and lives not only here in South Dakota, but nation wide. NOem is the epitome of evil in the sense that she has no empathy for her fellow human beings other than to suck the blood money from the very marrow of their bones while they lose their dignity to medical claims. I would say that Sutton has been a gent about all things negative while NOem is completely gutter bound in the untruths she is spewing.
Sutton is clearly a man of the people that has worked for my vote. I have had enough of the crooked politics and lack of empathy from the republican governor on down to his lackey legislators in Pierre. NOem would bring us nothing but more corruption with even less oversight, while casting doubt on our citizens whose very lives depend on Medicaid. Those who have worked all their lives toiling for low wages doing necessary jobs, deserve to be treated with dignity in their time of need. Vote NO on NOem.
So JKC, is the optimal strategy to get everyone in the base to vote early, then launch all the hard negative ads in the last two weeks to depress turnout among the “average voters” for whom voting isn’t a priority and who thus can be easily discouraged from voting at all?
But as Jerry and the very hirable Dave suggest, if you’re running against a crooked, lazy politician, you have an obligation to warn the voters that she’s crooked and lazy.
We need more debate coaches in office who can teach the voters that vigorous disagreement and truth-telling doesn’t have to be “hostile.”
Calling Kristi crooked Is what loses elections. It may work in some states but not In South Dakota. Kristi has not done anything criminal So she is not crooked. Self-absorbed yes, but not crooked. She was not totally forthcoming about the estate tax on her family farm When her dad died and and so I guess it could be argued she lied about that.
She Didn’t tellthe good side of the sob story thatthat her family got 1.5 million in life insurance money when her dad died so that Could be classified as disingenuous. Remember, this is South Dakota and when you are going to call a wellliked gop politician crooked you better have facts to back that up.
All the state scandals thus far hasn’t stopped SD voters from voting overwhelmingly republican.
Jenny’s comment about the adverse effect in SD of calling Noem “crooked” raises the question of why SD voters didn’t react negatively to those who called, and continue to call, Hillary “crooked.” As best I can tell Noem has a repeated history of commiting criminal convictions for dangerous traffic offenses (offenses similar to Janklow who ultimately killed an innocent person) and disregarding court rulings while Hillary has no such history. Yet, although it apparently worked in SD to call Hillary “crooked,” but as Jenny observes, it will backfire to call Noem crooked in SD.
Jenny may well be correct, but it makes one wonder why? What accounts for the different reactions?
“Crooked Kristi” would sound even better, more crackly, than “Crooked Hillary.”
Fair points from Jenny and BCB. I’ll note that Jerry referred to “crooked politics” and a lack of empathy. Please don’t let my perhaps too casual response about alerting the voters to “a crooked, lazy politician” deflect from his point. But if we had the goods to justify calling any candidate “crooked”, wouldn’t the 2016 election, at least in South Dakota, suggest that labeling would have legs? Did any Trumpy voter in South Dakota turn away from Trump just because he called Hillary “crooked”?
“Crooked Kristi”? Did you not learn anything this last few weeks? Didn’t watch the news, democrat politicians or listen to a radio? Trashing others doesn’t move anyone to your party. It only drives more people away. Nasty attacks, unfair accusations and generally acting like snot nosed bullies is not adding voters to your ranks.
As far as what Trump said; Trump was reacting to attacks while those on your fanatical side are formulating, planning and making the initial attacks. Standing up to a bully is respected. being a bully is loathsome and cowardly.
The strategy is to bag your vote early regardless of the type of campaign. But there are two universes, those who vote early and those who vote on election day. The election day voters are traditional voters who see the campaign season in its entirety and for whom a last minute punch of “negativity,” or “truth,” could be persuasive if done surgically or as a nail in the coffin.
I am personally not a big fan of the vote early concept. It is marketed as a friend of voters due to the convenience factor, but actually it is really meant to facilitate the campaigns and vote counters. It especially makes it much easier for campaigns to effect or manipulate the vote.
Can hardly wait for the next sermon from OldShutmypiehole because he will blame Dems for doing what wingnuts are best at, as if wingnuts never lied, innuendoed, falsely accused or just plain made up smit to bully opponents.
Furthermore, wingnuts have to be the world’s worst cheaters (not winners) because they always cheat and them gloat and bloviAte as if they are prowd of their ability to steal from others like voting rights, food stamps, winter fuel, their dignity, etc.
John, I agree but when the democrats set the world on fire through their antics it just pushes more people away.
Supreme Court seats, too.
Cory and BCB, Hillary is probably the worst thing ever that could have happened to the Democrat party. She is just not well liked by a lot of people, and people that like her need to face that truth.
Of course,Crooked Hillary name calling Is going to work in a very predominately Republican state! Sutton , if he had instead been a Bernie supporter, this would have helped him here because of the fact that Bernie is not so polarizing and disliked. I think he is even more respected in the Republican Party in South Dakota than Hillary.
I really really hope the Sutton team is prepared for Kristi’s crooked Hillary attacks at debate time Because she will use this at the debates I can guarantee that. Nobody ever said politics and campaigning were fair.
As aBernie supporter That couldn’t stand Hillary either, I understand the Hillery dislike and how it is so effective as acampaign tactic.
JKS, I always vote in person on election day to save Our Democracy from internal parasites (think right wing nut jobs with worms) and I do not need and have never needed advice from a partisan wingnut troll(s) to tell me I need to vote their party.
HRC got 3 million moar popular votes than the orange buffoon in the Kremlin Annex, Jenny.
3 million moar legal, meaning none soviet manipulated votes- whether you or I like her or not.
She gets accused of being crooked without a single actionable crime ever filed and proven in a court of law. Drumpf, otoh, has a record that stretches from here to Pluto of charges filed and court suits brought against him for various and sundry crimes, mostly involving non-payment of legally owed monies and fraud for his phony Drumpf Uni.
Clinton Foundation, which was in Bill’s name has been audited up the ying ying and not charged with any criminal activity.
Drumpf’s own foundation has been shut down for various and suindry crimes having to do with Drumpf usuing foundation monies to pay his bills or by stuff for himself- and yet HRC is the crook.
And I bet I’m gonna here shortly how HRC sold Russia all our uranium for 150 million dollar donation to the WJC Foundation while she was SoS. No matter how many times this story rates pants on fire status for all the falsehoods involved.
JKC my humblest apology for getting your name wrong. No nefarious intent intended. Just arthritic fingers.
I like voting on election day. I enjoy the camaraderie, the feeling of brief connection with my sister and brother citizens. It’s nice.
My first election I had to vote absentee from NSC, where I was a student. Wasn’t as much fun, except that I got to mark my ballot for the truly Honorable Sen. George McGovern.
Get ready folks. the vote starts in just a couple of minutes and then we all get to welcome our new Supreme Court Justice!!!
Let your whining begin!!!!
That Trump keeps WINNING! It’s like having magic powers!
Jenny, then it is not so much the calling of names that matter, it is the opinion SD voters might have about a candidate that controls whether she can be called disparaging names as a useful campaign tactic?
Given your views on Hillary, how far do you think Republicans could have successfully gone in calling her horrible and untrue names and have been cheered on by SD voters and other folks who absolutely detested her? Do you think there might have been a bottom in Hillary name calling, or making dishonest claims about her, that would have offended SD voters, or you, in the same way that you believe SD voters would be offended by calling Kristi “crooked?” Or was Hillary so disliked that she was simply fair game in SD for whatever horrible names and attacks that her opponents might use to hurt her personally?
One good thing comes from all this, NBC fired a reporter for wearing a MAGAT hat while doing a story.
Mike is right about Hillary. Nobody has been investigated more than the Clintons and come out cleaner. GOP hatred of the Clintons borders on psychotic.
I am so sick of this “likeable” crap. I don’t care that much about a politician’s Likeable status. Reagan Let-the-gays-die, Iran-Contra-crook was Likeable. GWB kill-millions-destabilize-entire-Mideast-launch-perpetual-war was Likeable. A large minority of citizens think Donnie malignant-narcissist-misogynist-liar-racist-child-abuser is Likeable.
The candidate doesn’t have to be Likeable to be an effective president who is good for the USA. Jimmy Carter was economically challenged but he wouldn’t have deliberately let people die because they were gay and he wouldn’t have deliberately broken the law to foment a war. John Kerry and (?) wouldn’t have made up lies to invade Iraq. Hillary would be the acknowledged leader of the free world, take care of immigrants and their children, appoint reputable, capable people of conscience to SCOTUS, etc.
I know Likeable matters to voters, too many voters, but it’s an unhelpful metric that news organizations ought to quit emphasizing and polling in favor of metrics like experience, knowledge, education, character, policies, record, etc.
That’s my rant and I’m sticking to it!
Here is my rant: Hillary almost won and if she had we would have all suffered. Most of you hate Trump, not because of your own thought, but only because you follow the media like lemmings follow the lemming in front and guess what? The paths of the lemmings in front of you all lead to the same place. Trump has done something you have all ranted about, corporate power, drug companies, insurance companies, and you should be grateful Trump is where he is now as president of the United States. Trump has exposed the Deep State, the Establishment, the Democratic Party, the Republican Party, the Main Stream Media, Globalists and Corporate Overlords, and the un-elected Bureaucrats running your lives. For most of you this is the first time in your lives you can see the members of the establishment fight to keep control over all of us and those of you that do not stand with Trump in this effort are fighting foolishly for your own enslavement. Today we will have a new Supreme Court Justice and this man will help fight for your freedoms that no man has a right to take from you and for this you should all thank Trump. Only the ignorant do not understand these words but watch the posts to follow. They will contain words of the fools that do not understand the gift they have been given. When the entrenched power holders are no longer in their positions the power of the people will be returned. It is the duty of each of us to help make this happen. Thank Trump for this gift.
No problem, mike from Iowa, I have been called much worse over the years…. Trust me… ;-)
Ok, Kavanaugh is in. Trump just preserved your freedoms for another day.
WINNING!!!!!
Hold yer horses, OldSferbrains.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/dc-circuit-sent-complaints-about-kavanaughs-testimony-to-chief-justice-roberts/2018/10/06/c7e7b526-c8d0-11e8-b1ed-1d2d65b86d0c_story.html?utm_term=.008e14fee201
Behind a pay wall I’m guessing but we will see if Roberts ignores complaints like wingnuts do.
The only brainwashed bigot is OldSoldmysoulforagoodlaughatall decentAmericans.
OS, you are entitled to your rant. It is all supposition and fantasy, but it’s also all yours. What Demented Donnie has done thus far is sad fact.
As i said on the other thread, we women are just getting started.
Gawd it has to hurt a person with any conscience when the people who best know his character are willing to call him out on his character.
We are WINNING! They had a Beer Fest in Main Street Square today. It was a lot of fun. I only had two beers but what a wonderful day it turned out to be. Do any of you live in South Dakota?
From day one, this whole Kavanaugh thing has reminded me of the movie, “St. Elmo’s Fire.” And our new Justice appears to have a personality, or past background, like found in the movie, that is a mixture of Judd Nelson’s, “Alec,” and Rob Lowe’s, “Billy.” It should be interesting to watch. Just think, the once “Brat Pack,” that frolicked in Georgetown, are now all grown-up, gray, with one of them headed to the highest court in the land….. Who would have thought?….. (#ILikeBeer)……..:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y46Sw1BUHPs
WINNING MEANS CHEATING
OldSandintheface, come back when you learn the difference between winning honorably and wingnut’s cheating to win anything. I don’t expect you back, you’re misguided ego won’t allow you to consider cheating as anything other than a way to get what you want.
The only way you’ll ever get to pretend you won. Don’t gaslight yourself. America has lost any pretense of greatness and it is all on stoopid effing wingnuts like you.
I’m watching our president in Kansas supporting the next Governor of Kansas. Yes, he’s another law&order Republican. It looks like another “sure” win. The list is so long I’m getting tired of WINNING!
Come on over here to Minnesota, Suds, the pubs are losing the governors race and the two Senate races.
Got a victory cra….lap email from disgusting Chuck the ChickenOldSferbrains head of the Sinate Joo dish e airy Falafel. That didn’t take long. Took even less time to remind the scumbag what I think of him and Miss Lindsey, Whorin’ Orrin and McCTurtle.
I feel better, now.
I want to be able to like a politician before I’m going to ever vote for them. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that.
And speaking of invading Iraq Debbo, That is really the turning tide For the Liberals Leaving Hillary. Anyone that supports and votes for war is not a true progressive or liberal or whatever you wanna call it.
The true progessives, Bernie Sanders, Paul Wellstone and Mark Dayton voted with good conscience against authorization to invade Iraq.
Voting for another war for rich people to profit is just not cool to progressives
Jenny, even conservatives do not want war. Those of us that go are not fans. Hillary, Bush, Clinton, it doesn’t matter the party. Each of them sent me and my brothers to war but their intent was not winning so much as supporting the corporate/bureaucrats/ leftist overlords. That is what Trump is destroying. You need to get on board or you can keep supporting sending our brothers and sisters in harms way. Trump is our first president to NOT start a war in a very long time.
And also, Bernie Sanders was an LGBT supporter long before Hillary or Obama ever was.
Jenny, Bernie didn’t care if you or anyone else was a LGBT supporter. He did it together yo uno support him. He is a socialist and has publicly claimed to be a socialist and there is not a socialist government that supports LGBT or any free choice relationships. For people like Bernie is was about gaining power. Sadly there is not a socialist movement in history that has ever supported LGBT. They get control and then they send them to camps, to die. It is the socialist method of getting rid of people that do not adapt.
Jenny, just to be clear, I don’t claim perfection or absolute selflessness for Hillary. I do think likeability is an overrated characteristic.
And, at this time, my choice for 2020 is Kamala Harris. Incredibly smart, prosecutor, calm, cool, precise, 3 steps ahead of everyone else, tough as nails, compassionate. Those are all outstanding characteristics for any politician, but critical for a US President. I don’t know if she’s “likeable” or not, nor do I care. All those qualities make me like her for president.
“Kamala Harris”?!!! Perfect! Watch her Senate speechify! She does the best job of reading off a script! She can repeat words handed to her like no body!. She is perfect! We need someone who knows the history of this Nation, its values, morals and culture. Trump is just a warrior bringing us back from the sad times. We now need a leader like Kalamalo to take away the walls that identify a man as a man, a woman as a woman and a call-it-watch-ya-want a call-it-watch-ya-want.
We really need someone that knows a tallywacker is on a man and a hooch-coo is on the others.
Just got my NOem blurb on her taking complete credit for the Veterans Cemetery in Sioux Falls. Too bad for her that it has been in the works for 20 years. Next up will be taking credit for the first moon landing as she was one of the astronauts.
“”But there is still a lot to check off the do-to list before this idea becomes a reality.
It is taking a collaboration of the South Dakota Veterans Council, the City of Sioux Falls, the federal government and South Dakota lawmakers to help this project come to fruition.
The law is paving the way for paying for the project, which includes an endowment fund, state funding and a $6 million federal grant.
“It’s been a 20 year journey to get this done and finally, finally we’re going to get a veterans cemetery on the east side of the state,” Terry Paulson, President of the South Dakota Veterans Council said.”
“https://www.ksfy.com/content/news/Timeline-When-could-Sioux-Falls-have-a-veterans-cemetery-477806183.html
A dirty bird. That NOem is a dirty bird. Lies about her dead father and now veterans.
Kavanaugh!!!! “Man, I wish this would have happened 30 years ago so I could have lived more of my life enjoying the liberty to exercise my rights as I believe will become the case under the court as it is now.”
I love that you’re getting all cocky and comfy OS. I think you and all Pootiepublicans should feel that way.
I just know that having an East Coast Or west coast liberal female Candidate Harris or Elizabeth Warrenbwould be another disaster for the Democratic Party. And yes, There is a part of it that is prejudiced towards female candidates but I think a lot of it is just plain dislike for those East Coast West Coast “snobs”.
I would be a big Elizabeth Warren supporter but I just don’t think the country wants or is ready for a Coastie liberal for president.
I like the idea of Amy Klobuchar Running and think she would do better than Either Harris or Warren. She’s from the Midwest And works well with Republicans.
And Klobuchar as smart as they come.
Is as smart as they come and tough as nails. More likable than Warren or Harris I think I also.
a third of the republican men on the supreme court now face sexual misconduct allegations. Another proud moment in American jurisprudence. But a real feather in the cap for misfits everywhere. Be a serial abuser and you could be president or on the supreme court, and it is not just for white men either. Now that is funny as hell. Equality has come a long way.
I think Amy would be good too. She has all that Harris has, but I’m not sure if Amy is as willing to stick it to them when necessary. Do you think so?
OS, Congratulations on correctly forecasting that the Senate would approve Kavanaugh. You proved to be right on the money in that prediction.
You also just commented that
Can you say which rights or liberties that you are referring to? Which rights of yours have been denied and how has your liberty been restricted prior to Kavanaugh’s appointment?
The quote was “I wish this would have happened 30 years ago so I could have lived more of my life enjoying the liberty to exercise my rights”. You may be misunderstand what I said. In my “opinion” the federal courts have been packed over the last several generations with judges that prefer to make law from the bench rather than allowing the voice of the people and there elected representatives. This new supreme court justice will move that imbalance back a slight bit towards a more balanced system. When Obama was elected in 2008 liberals controlled just 1 of the 13 circuits of the U.S. Court of Appeals. At the end of his rein liberals controlled 70% of the U.S. Court of Appeals. Funny thing, many of those who argued against Kavanaugh argued they were justified in not having to meet the burden of proof because this was a lifetime appointment but the truth is ALL federal judge appointments are life long appointments. Obama loaded the courts without much argument from the Constitutionalist over the last ten years. Obama did what he said he was going to do when he said he was going to “transform” our country and his attempt to create a socialist state through the courts almost happened. Where our republican leadership got the fortitude to finally stand up I don’t know but I do know none of this would have happened without Trump. So, for that I thank him. That and a very long list of other conservative promises Trump promised and has been fulfilling. The battle to protect and preserve our freedoms is not over but we can breath a little easier today.
OldSteal’embecauseyoucan’twin’em- Moreover, the Ninth Circuit is not the most frequently overturned circuit court. From 2010 to 2015, the Supreme Court reversed about 70 percent of the cases it took, and 79 percent from the Ninth Circuit. But it reversed 87 percent of Sixth Circuit rulings, and 85 percent of 11th Circuit rulings, both of which are notably more conservative courts than the Ninth.
Obama loaded the courts without much argument from the Constitutionalist over the last ten years.
This is a blatant, outright lie,liar and you damn well know it is! Obama had more justices blocked than any other Potus in memory. And you lied again saying Obama appointed judges 2 years after his term expired.
OldSprinklesaltontheirtails- From WAPO (good story behind paywall)
What is the ideological direction of the judges appointed by President Barack Obama during his first five years in office? To answer this question we analyzed 683 U.S. district court decisions handed down by judges appointed to the trial court bench by President Obama. These decisions were studied along with over 106,000 opinions by over 2,300 judges published in the Federal Supplement from 1932 through 2013. We find that while the Obama cohort is more liberal than the appointees of recent GOP presidents, they are not as liberal overall as some critics have at times suggested. Overall, the Obama judges are somewhat more liberal than the Clinton judges but slightly less liberal than the Carter and Johnson jurists. The Obama judges are effectively deciding cases as we might expect from mainstream Democrats.
They are also the most diverse group of justices appointed.
OldSnakeontheass’ idea of protecting his freedumbs-
https://www.sheilakennedy.net/2018/10/word-choices-can-feed-bias/
Catlick school that readily accepts public money has suspended a teacher they found in a same sex marriage and threatened to terminate her if she doesn’t terminate her legal marriage. Moar winning for stoopid effing wingnuts.
SPOTUS- SEXUAL PREDATORS Of the UN- UNITED STATES!
iwacko, you have something seriously wrong with you. Yo need professional help. Here is a link in Iowa where you can talk to someone: http://centerforbehavioralhealth.com
Old sarge celebrates beer fest downtown Rapid City?
Is that a German celebration? Or have YOU decided that it is American so it’s great? Was Trumps good friend Angela Merkel there?
Did you make it up to the Black Hills pow wow? Hope so, I’m assuming some of the people you have met in your volunteer work on the rez and around SD were there.
Now that’s a REAL american and south dakota celebration! Spectacular and joyous.
I also watched School of Mines and Black Hills play football. Good to see young men outside the stadium speaking out and taking action against behavior by Jerks like Kavanagh.
I’m always amazed how 40% of Americans think they have a categorically god given right to rule over 60%. Oh I forgot this is America.
Any of the highly qualified women mentioned would stunningly surpass any of the men Republicans have elected or confirmed. But our system is gamed by GOP.
98 yo Justice JPS’s last word is that bias disqualifies. Kavanaugh. Murkowski’s no vote found Kavanaugh showed the death knell of his appearance of impropriety. Manchin’s yes vote was on assurance HEALTH CARE would not be denied for pre-existing conditions (per ACA) for 800,000 W. Va constituents.
Manchin could have voted with his fellow Democratic block. Heitkamp DID, sarge.
She is probably going to lose ND anyway. HRC would have protected us from Putin’s GOP.
Noem is no Lisa Murkowski.
And Mr. Sutton deserves an opportunity to do the job. He’s the better candidate. Smart person and has adjusted to a very difficult life challenge. Very admirable. He defines the term ‘cowboyin up’.
Good to hear from you Mr. Spike. Off topic, has anyone seen or heard from Roger Cornelius? He hasn’t stopped here much in the past month or two and it is my sincerest hope he is okay and just maintaining radio silence for the heck of it.
OldSooeyliarlizarpantsonfire. You need help. Cherokee, iowa is hope for the criminally insane and you and 50-51 wingnut sinators would look pastoral behind razor wire where you belong.
That place used to be self sustaining with huge gardens, drop fields and a dairy that one time boasted 2 of the top milking Holstein cows in the States.
Now they just boast how many of you retarded wingnuts they get to poke with pitchforks and cattle prods.
One last off topic rant- the Cherokee Mental Health Institute reformed as a home for Juvie delinquents so all you bratty, orange flavored Drumpfian supporters will feel right at home. Have a terrible life, troll.
So many vote on optics Noem comes across as an aging beauty queen who got by on her looks too long. She should play up her accomplishments and start appearing more matronly but it’s probably too late. When I challenged an older friend on Palin that he was just voting for a pair of legs his response was: Yeah, but what a pair of legs! There could be a dose of male chauvinism here simply going for the male candidate now that she’s losing her hotness hate to say it but some of these superficial things matter.
hc. what are Noem’s accomplishments?
That’s for her to say Owen, we don’t really know what they do on a day to day basis, but if she doesn’t have anything substantial to tout after all these years it’s time for her to go. It’s again so much about optics we see Thune standing behind Mitch McConnell, to me like a lapdog. She should tell us what she’s done, what she’s proud of, how she fights for our state or Sutton wins the argument.
https://www.rawstory.com/2018/10/chief-justice-john-roberts-sitting-dozen-judicial-complaints-kavanaugh-three-weeks-report/
Roberts sat on kavernmouth complaints for at least three weeks. Sounds like obstruction of justice.
OS, thanks for your response at 2018-10-07 at 07:29.
Your response suggests that you have lost or were denied no rights or liberties in the 30 years preceding Kavanaugh, which I think most of us all agree is great news.
As best I can tell, some groups actually gained rights and liberties during this 30 year period, including gay people (can’t be prosecuted for engaging in gay sex and can get married), heterosexual married couples (can’t get prosecuted for so-called sodomy), corporation stockholders (Citizens United), children who commited heinous crimes before they turn 18 (no death sentence, no life without parol), mentally ill people (no death sentence), people charged with crimes (hearsay testimony limited by Washington v. Crawford), people driving cars (random drug interdiction stops not permitted), gun owners (Heller and McDonald)and a whole host of additional ruling that have limited the power of government officials and protected individual rights.
Off the top off my head I can’t think of any particular decisions in the last 30 years that removed or restricted any existing citizen rights (although there sure could be cases I overlooked). Let just hope that with Kavanaugh’s appointment the Court doesn’t swing to the right and begin permitting the government to erode or cancel existing rights of our citizens, such as the right of privacy in making family planning and procreation decisions.
Enjoy your freedoms and liberties while you can OS.
bearcreek, “As best I can tell, some groups actually gained rights and liberties during this 30 year period” I’m not really sure as many of the so called gains of rights were truly rights but rather the rights of the people to govern themselves was taken away. Take marriage for example; The supreme court ruled “to define and express their identity” ? What the heck does that even mean? I say the government adding new laws about who can marry and who can’t doesn’t really help when the government should have no say in who gets married and who doesn’t all together? Prior to the Civil War there were no state laws limiting or allowing who could and couldn’t get married. State marriage laws were a result of state governments trying to prevent people of different races from being married. Of course, like most “helping” laws it grew to include homosexuals, inter-family and so forth. To actually restore all rights of marriage to all people the government should get out of the marriage business all together to include the area of taxes, college aid and so forth. It is the intrusion of government in marriage that has caused all these issues. What if the next court rules no apple eaters can marry? Based upon the fact that every ruling of the supreme court makes it the law of the land it is just a matter of time when they rule differently making something else illegal. But how this all relates to Kavanaugh, and the return of rights, Kavanaugh has professed he is a Constitutionalist. As a Constitutionalist he would be a supporter of fewer laws and limiting the government in order to better protect the rights of all citizens. We will see if he continues to follow the Constitution as he has for the last ten years.
Very good bcb, very good. Likely you will hear crickets from the Russian on the liberties that he has lost in the last 30 or ever, for that matter. Maybe the Thirteenth Amendment sticks to the craw of the Russian…
jerry, it’s the 17th Amendment that sticks in my craw. That stripped the States from selecting their Senators, as well as being able to recall them and made the selection of a Senator a popular vote. This caused the rise in the power of parties over the states and much of the division we see in today’s politics. We are a republic, not a democracy and when you lessen a state’s rights to come closer to mob rule as opposed to being a republic. There is no democracy that has lasted 50 years much less the 200 years our republic has lasted. The founders were much smarter than what most understand. . .
OS, I am pleased that in the last 30 years the Court did not take away your right or liberty to marry. And as indicated earlier, I am pleased that the Court did not remove a single right or liberty you enjoyed for these 30 years.
Enjoy your existing personal liberties and rights while you can, as such a radical change in the makeup of the Court typically means change is necessarily coming. As such change relates to personal individual liberties and rights, the coming changes may well be no longer as favorable and protective as the Court has been over the last 30 years, especially if you are a member of a politically disfavored or publicly denigrated group of people.
And remember OS, while a circuit judge Kavanbaugh was in fact bound by Supreme Court precedent. As a sitting SCOTUS justice he is no longer bound by any prior rulings that protected existing personal liberties and rights.
Liberal fears may be unfounded, for one thing new SCJ’s are known to be unpredictable once in place, and secondly, perhaps more for this reason, to quote: It’s unlikely that justices on the US Supreme Court—even a conservative bench—will hurry to overturn a major case like Roe v. Wade, which secured women’s access to abortions in 1973. That’s because of the bedrock legal principle of stare decisis, Latin for “to stand on the decision.” This principle, which requires judges to rely on precedent, ensures consistency, for better or worse. As the late justice Louis Brandeis explained in his since oft-cited 1932 dissent in Burnett v. Colorado Oil and Gas, “Stare decisis is usually the wise policy because in most matters it is more important that the applicable rule of law be settled than that it be settled right.”
https://qz.com/1325513/dont-panic-about-change-on-the-us-supreme-court-justices-hate-overruling-cases/
We were lucky the 17th passed. The loyalty oath that South Dakota politicos swear allegiance to is why the 17th passage was so important. Look for that to change with the Constitutional Convention coming closer than we think. We now have the drivers in the Supreme Court to make it happen. So yes, the 17th may be turned to the way it was in 1913 and yes, the 13th Amendment may be made broader to no only include blacks and others of color, but also of political dissidents, arrested on trumped up charges to work the sweat shops of the penal system. We bitch at China for having sweat shops while we have them right here in Sioux Falls, under law enforcement protection. Life is funny like that.
Yes, I am quite sure that the fire breathing evangelicals will be content to wait a decade or more to overturn roe v wade and then go after you, dude.
Happy’s quote of Justice Brandeis on the importance of following stare decisis omits the relevant language both before and after the quoted language. Here it is
285 U. S. 405-407
https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/285/393/
I wish it were not true but in reality the future of protection of our personal rights and liberties with Kavanaugh now on the Court has much less security than before.
I wasn’t suggesting the article completely invalidated your concerns, and it is just that writer’s opinion, but as is often the case when one is no longer beholden they think independently and grow into a new role. Taken as a whole it should calm your fears somewhat.
OldSteerhide has it wrong. It is not government that is the problem, it is one party shoving phony kristian sharia laws on the rest of us, in direct violation of the constitution-which wingnuts abhor.
Making up law from the bench is another province of the activist wingnut part of the SPOTUS. Money equals free speech? Korporations are people? Using the 14th amendment to seat an illegitimate president in 2000? Allowing religious doctrine to discriminate?
Fear from what? What could possibly go wrong?
I have a single simple question for wingnuts and Rethugs and the rare actual moderate Republican- Can any of you come up with a single crime yer brethren could commit that would finally elicit criminal charges from today’s nut hobs in Congress?
Perjury can’t be it, because of all the perjury committed in kavernmouth’s hearings and most of Drumpf’s cabinet selections have perjured themselves.
So what does it take? Moar murder/suicides in yer state? Would that do it? Please enlighten yer neighbor to the SouthEast.
For political parties it’s just about gaining and sustaining power which goes both ways nothing specific to R or D. Bill Clinton was a complete scumbag yet Democrats and women in particular were mum including those Deb raises up high talk about horrific hypocrisy against your own supposed values. The list of accusations against Clinton are long, including rape, yet you didn’t support any of those women, but you immediately believe Dr. Ford. Hypocrites just cause where you’re standing.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/awaiting-election-spanking-from-angry-liberals-conservatives-whine-after-kavanaugh-win?ref=home
Happy, so many of ‘THOSE’ women were bought and paid for to lie about Clinton. Juanita Broaddrick signed 2 affidavits saying Clinton did not rape her. Paula Jones case was tossed from court. Gennifer Flowers bragged about having sex in an Arkansas hotel with Clinton 5 years before the hotel was built.We are supposed to feel sorry for these women?
BTW the vast right wing conspiracy HRC talked about was a reality.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/mandatory-detentions-of-immigrants-the-question-in-justice-kavanaughs-first-big-case?ref=home
You will soon see which way this unfit justice fits in with the activist majority of the SPOTUS. He will vote as advertised.
Oh get real you are a hypocrite of the highest order and refuse to look in the mirror. Monica Lewinsky just said believe Ford, so you disregarded Clintons completely inappropriate relationship with her, but it must be true with Kavanaugh admit you’re not this stupid.
Oh yes of course redirect when you can’t face yourself and your own stupidity.
The lack of concern for Lewinsky and the power difference in that relationship is telling. He goes on and you support Hillary after that “huge right-wing conspiracy” only cause it benefits you. Hypocrites.
happy, how is Clinton or any other person in history even relevant to the Kavanaugh discussion? Kavanaugh is now and his actions may well adversely affect you and I, as well as any other potentially disfavored group by conservatives.
What is the point of trying to shut down or criticize someone who questions Kavanaugh’s character by arguing some another person (e.g. Clinton) years ago had equally or worse character? Even if you can convince yourself that someone questioning Kavanaugh is a hypocrite it doesn’t change the potential dilemma in which we find outselves due to his new judicial position and/or from the damage we have inflicted on so many abuse suvivors by the demonization of a woman for reporting her abuse, nor even the reality about whether Dr. Ford’s abuse report is true or false. I just don’t get your point – help me out.
Lewinski was well over the age of consent- about 22 years old. She had a consensual relationship with Clinton. She was used by Linda Tripp and Luciane Goldberg in their efforts to destroy Bill Clinton. Go blame the ones who abused her trust for political purposes.
Traitor Joe Manchin found out how his vote for kavernmouth will be repaid. McCTurtle sez wingnuts will challenge his seat in the midterms. He really should have been aware of the treachery from thew right. It is who and what they are.
Drumpf is bragging that when he mocked Blasey Ford, kavernmouth’s fortunes changed.
Drumpf also claimed he didn’t mock her.
HC you yourself are guilty of falling for the right wing narrative that Clinton was an animal when it came to women, when Drumpf has been as bad and most likely worse. Clinton is still married to HRC. Drumpf cheated on every wife he ever had with the women who would become future MRs. Sexual Predator.
You guys need to move on. The decision has been made and Kavanaugh is now a Jurist on the Supreme Court. It is time to turn the page and pick another thing to get screeching stupid about.
I like what I am seeing with Sutton. He shows what is wrong with NOem which is plenty. I am sure she will come up with some other line of bull puckey that will go nowhere. Everything she tries to attack with makes no sense and Governor Sutton has not even begun to go negative.
The left has now targeted dead people on a piece of stone.
Council members voted 16-2 to overturn the Landmarks Commission’s ruling that barred the removal of a large, stone monument that lists the names of about 140 prisoners-of-war buried in a section of the cemetery known as Confederate Rest.
https://madison.com/wsj/news/local/govt-and-politics/madison-city-council-overturns-confederate-monument-decision-supports-removal/article_e788d9ef-7123-5fb0-acae-cd477fb78dd0.html?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=wisconsin%20state%20journal
The Democrat party really has no bounds or decency.
This is Billy Sutton’s party he chooses to affiliate with.
Bear wrote:
Kavanaugh is now and his actions may well adversely affect you and I, as well as any other potentially disfavored group by conservatives.
Kagen, Sotameyer, RBG, and Breyer can adversely affect you and I.
What is your point?
HC,
Mike and Jerry are that stupid. Don’t waste your time.
Under NOem’s watch more lies about veterans and her love of the military by failing doing her damn job. When you privatize, taxpayers lose. This is gonna cost us big time…thanks NOem for your complete ineptness. What a dirty bird and all under her watch. We don’t need anymore of her failures here in South Dakota. Republican governance is and has been non-existent for far to long. Have you had enough yet? Vote Democratic!!
“Families living on one of the Marine Corps’ largest bases are ramping up criticism of the private company that manages their homes, saying it is ignoring long-standing problems with mold and structural defects that were exacerbated after Hurricane Florence slammed North Carolina last month.
Even before the hurricane unleashed devastation across the Carolinas, several spouses were working to draw attention to what they called a lackadaisical attitude by Atlantic Marine Corps Communities about the conditions inside Camp Lejeune’s private housing — from leaky and crumbling ceilings to 70-foot-tall rotting trees in danger of collapsing.” Washing ton Post 10/07/2018
Bellyaching about Sutton’s ad is laughable. Here is something even more laughable at the outrage the whiners our two squirrels (Russian and widdle Russian) have when they are called out. Now this is truth without doubt.
“A campaign sign in Central Texas this week drew the scorn of an elected state official — and then it was confiscated by police.
At issue in the small community of Hamilton was a homemade yard sign featuring an elephant decorated in red, white and blue with its trunk up the skirt of a female saying the word “Help.” The sign said “Your vote matters.”” https://www.star-telegram.com/news/state/texas/article219551530.html
Oh noes. Call the police and get a swat team in place. Danger danger. There is a woman involved so use deadly force if needed. The First Amendment just got garbage’d by the police.
Jerry,
What town is it and what are their ordinances?
Mike is not stupid he’s irreverent. Jerry is stuck in 1965.
Jason, my point is that the appointment of Kavanaugh could significantly change the balance of the Court and if he takes an extreme conservative position as predicted we now could lose more existing rights than when Kennedy served, such as the right to privacy in personal family planning. Groups disfavored by conservatives, such as pregnant woman, dreamers, gay families and their children, children of immigrants, people who overstay a visa or commit a border crossing misdemeanor, folks held in custody without trials based on umproven accusations (think of Gitmo detainees – where is the presumption of innocence in those cases?), religous minorities, indigent and sick individuals, and any so-called “other” demonized peoples declared the enemy of the day for conservatives, are all in greater danger of losing whatever Constitutional rights and protections that survived while Justice Kennedy served. That is my point. And worse yet, I don’t see Noem or her supporters saying they will step up and protect any of those disfavored people here in SD by proposing or enforcing laws to protect the rights of those in need.
I am old, but I saw all the cool bands. You, friend are just old. Get off my lawn!!
Bear,
Laws are made in the Legislative branch.
Ok. Mike is really really intelligence disadvantaged,
That is the point widdle Russian, NOem is in the legislative branch. Easy to see how you get that mixed up, you’re Russian and all of that.
BCB is just going off the deep end he reminds me of an English teacher I know who must win an argument rather than dig down and accept the truth wherever that may go. Ego is usually the problem.
hc likes to stand on this soapbox, but should remember one thing. It was me and those like me, who stood for you while you were in your closet sweating. It was me and those like me who wanted you to have civil rights. Kick us now at your peril dude or dudette. Remember, what was can now come back to what is. Yes, your ego is the problem here.
NOem has let women down by abandoning them at their time of great peril. South Dakota women can read the tea leaves and know that with NOem in the governors chair, she will make cuts to nursing homes (just like Daugaard did) and further erode Medicaid for our most vulnerable, South Dakota women.
I ain’t kickin you Jerry, I’m kickin the English teacher. As the article pointed out things are not likely to revert. I fought for civil rights as much as anyone if you think I kept my mouth shut way back then you’d be sadly mistaken.
You ain’t fooling anyone. Here is someone else who has stood for you and now has come out with force.
” Scuteri/Invision/AP
Taylor Swift has made her first foray into US politics, publicly endorsing two Democrats for the upcoming midterm elections, while aligning herself to fight for LGBTQ rights, gender equity, and an end to the “terrifying, sickening and prevalent” racism in the US.
“In the past I’ve been reluctant to publicly voice my political opinions, but due to several events in my life and in the world in the past two years, I feel very differently about that now,” Swift wrote on social media on Sunday night, in a plea for her young fans to register and vote. The post accrued 360,000 Instagram likes within the first hour.
“I always have and always will cast my vote based on which candidate will protect and fight for the human rights I believe we all deserve in this country. I believe in the fight for LGBTQ rights, and that any form of discrimination based on sexual orientation or gender is WRONG. I believe that the systemic racism we still see in this country towards people of color is terrifying, sickening and prevalent.” https://www.theguardian.com/music/2018/oct/08/taylor-swift-breaks-political-silence-to-endorse-democrats-in-us-midterms
Not Revert? are you high? Of course they can revert, watch how quickly that happens.
Happy Camper,
I’m actually amazed that you seem to have very little concern about the ramifications of Kavanaugh replacing Kennedy on the Supreme Court. Let me recite a few of the reasons I am concerned about Kavanaugh’s respect for stare decisive:
1. When Kavanaugh was a lawyer on the Kenneth Starr team, he viewed the scope of what might be considered impeachable offenses by President Clinton in a broad fashion. He suggested that Kenneth Starr’s team should pry into the intimate details of Clinton’s inappropriate relationship with Monica Lewinsky. Though the Lewinsky affair was disreputable and wrong, it certainly didn’t rise to the level of “high crimes and misdemeanors” as set forth in the Constitution as a basis for impeachment. Yet, Kavanaugh pushed for an aggressive attack against President Clinton.
However, since the time of Clinton’s presidency, Kavanaugh has now basically done a 180 with respect to his views. His new viewpoint, coincidentally developed while he was serving under Republican President Bush seems to be that presidents should have wide latitude from what could be considered impeachable offenses and immunity from indictment while in office. We don’t know the scope of what Kavanaugh might find acceptable in terms of presidential self-pardon, but his views have definitely changed to support a more authoritarian presidential model.
This illustrates Kavanaugh’s changing judicial philosophy on an important subject of presidential power. It looks quite politically based to me which means his decisions may be largely based upon politics. However, even if politics weren’t his primary judicial guiding principle, if he can change his tune so easily on the hugely important constitutional issue of presidential power, why would he be constrained to the status quo on other subjects which are not so well-rooted in the Constitution?
2. As a self-described strict constructionist when it comes to interpreting the Constitution, Kavanaugh will have a hard-time gleaning rights like privacy that are not set forth directly in the text of the document. If the right to privacy does not exist since it is not directly set forth in the Constitution and other rights that the Supreme Court has previously enunciated do not flow directly from the plain wording of the Constitution, how much respect is Kavanaugh going to have for precedents like Roe v. Wade and Planned Parenthood v. Casey? How is Obergefell v. Hodges, which was a 5-4 decision three short years ago which guaranteed the fundamental right to marriage for same sex couples, going to be viewed through Kavanaugh’s strict constructionist eyes?
Even if you suspect that Roe v. Wade will essentially survive with Chief Justice Roberts not willing to undo 45 years of stare decisis and the affect of which would be to throw the court squarely into the political realm for all time, if RBG happens to go down before Trump leaves office, another Trump appointment to the Supreme Court will likely seal the fate of Roe v. Wade and many other important rights developed by caselaw over the last 5 decades.
3. I think Kavanaugh is the worst sort of partisan that sees every issue through the lens of ideology and political affiliation. As a Circuit Court judge he was obligated to follow precedent, especially if he wanted to be considered for SCOTUS, but as a justice of the Supreme Court he decides what precedent to honor and follow. His obvious partisanship displayed through his work down through the years for Ken Starr and the Bush Whitehouse and then culminating in his recent self-revealing rant about Democrats, Clinton revenge and a vast conspiracy of left wing groups and money arrayed against him will guide his work.
I hope Kavanaugh proves me wrong, but all the signs are there to support my arguments that he could undo rights that many people seem to be taking for granted.
stare decisive should be stare decisis.
Jason, while the legislature makes laws, the executive leadership plays a key role in the process. It proposes or discourages legislative action, vetos legislation, adopts regulations with the force and effect of law that will affect our rights and liberties, and exercises the power to enforce laws enacted by the legislature, along with the discretion to prioritize efforcement efforts. Thus our exectutive leadership through our governor plays a critical role in restricting or protecting our personal liberties and rights.
Meanwhile, the Constitution both authorizes and constrains executive and legislative action. Since at least 1803 the SCOTUS has been deemed to have the power to decide what the laws of the legislature mean, what the language of the Constitution means and, when properly challenged, whether particular legislative enactments are permissible or prohibited under the Constitution and its amendments. Thus, any legislature can grant or take away any right it chooses if the Court does not rule that the Constitution restricts such legislative action.
happy, at this point it has become unclear to me what exactly your contentions are. Hence I don’t know what argument you assert I am trying to win. As I look back on my comments, I merely pointed out that your post omitted what I considered a significant part of the Brandeis quote, which made it misleading.
We can each make predictions about the future of a Kavanaugh influenced Court, but that doesn’t seem much like an argument that can be won or lost. Calling other folks names, such as hypocrites or English teachers or whatever, however, adds nothing I can see to the likely accuracy of any prediction one way or the other, nor does it rise to the level of an argument, hence I suggested I did not understand your point in using your view of Clinton to justify calling mike from Iowa a hypocrite.
Darin, I appreciate your comments about Kavanaugh and the future of the Court based on Kavanaugh’s past behavior. Your comments strike me as thoughtful, careful and accurate.
Darin, the Starr report was reported to need an X rating when it was released because of the salacious details included.
Starr, kavernmouth and others became extremely well acquainted with every inch of every zipper WJC ever had. And they still couldn’t nail him with a crime until wingnuts set a perjury trap for him, the same one they refuse to set for Drumpf.
Happy, after 35 freaking years of constant wingnut investigations, cries of HRC being a crook and lock her up, false charges,more lies, innuendos, slander and libel how can you not believe in the vast right wing conspiracy against her? What crime has ever been proven against her. Name me just one!!
I fought for civil rights as much as anyone if you think I kept my mouth shut way back then you’d be sadly mistaken.
Where the hell were you when Roberts said there was no more discrimination and thus no need for the VRA?
Where were you when Kobach from Kansas and wingnuts were actively throwing legal minority/Democratic voters off national voter rolls?
Where was your voice when legal immigrants and American citizens were being deported?
Well at least HC, given hedging respect for a past English teacher, won’t be following the Neanderthals down the rat hole calling the Democratic Party and its team members the “Democrat Left” like jason, sarge, most trump staffers and the crazy world of Fox and Limbaugh delight in, or blithly stumble along with in ignorance.
Nice home run Bat. Join the team. :)
Oh Lord woke up with BCB as pompous and condescending as ever. If you can’t see the hypocrisy from the Democrats it’s simply by choice. They handled the Kavanaugh affair in a truly partisan manner, but back to the blindness Clinton is an abuser of women and an accused rapist from a very credible source, much more so than Ford. There are many holes in her story, but Deb links to an article that women are angry. Really? They’re angry when it suits them. Hypocrites.
The world is not gonna come to an end you’re being played by the politicos who want the partisanship for clicks, votes, money and you’re eager pawns out to inflame probably the type who bought Y2K survival kits.
There are always concerns, we’re wired for that, but again many of the Supreme Court Justices end up NOT voting as expected. People thought the Russian nuclear bombs were gonna go off at midnight fear is used by politicians to keep you supporting them there are so many other things to worry about walk away from this stupid blog for a few months and get a life.
https://www.npr.org/2018/10/08/654713560/how-is-kavanaugh-likely-to-rule-on-critical-issues-heres-a-look-at-his-record
kavernmouth will make wingnuts drool with anticipation of locking everyone up except old white rich males.
Happy-did you not know Russia infiltrated the last election and are doing the same with the midterms? What are your wingnut buddies doing about it? Not a damn thing. You should be afraid. You will soon have no rights under wingnut authoritarian rule. I thought you were smart enough to realize that. Maybe I over estimated your intel.
Since you are incapable of seeing straight this morning, bcb is none of the things you pinned on him today. He is the exact opposite and has been at least as long as I have posted here.
https://www.rawstory.com/2018/10/incoherently-drunk-brett-kavanaugh-smashed-pickup-truck-refused-pay-damages-says-fellow-yale-secret-society-member/
Notarized allegation sent to FBI.
Guys, your battle is over. Kavanaugh is on the court. Yes, the dem politicians are saying they are going to impeach and whatever but they are just telling you that to placate you. The dems used this battle, that you were foolishly swept into, in an effort to excite you to vote this November but it has resulted in exciting the right more than the left. It was an error. Mistakes get made. It happens. It is time to move on. On the positive side you do have Taylor Swift endorsing dems in Tennessee . . so you do have the 13 year old girl vote. . .
There’s a popular book out called Factfulness: Ten Reasons We’re Wrong About the World–and Why Things Are Better Than You Think. I haven’t read it yet but watched videos of Hans Rosling on the topic. You always have to ask yourself if your opinions are based on fact or bias. I used to be Mike! Until BCB (my BCB) told me I was an idiot – sometimes you got to hit the iron hard. He was right I was a complete idiot he woke me up to my reckless partisan bias further altered by reading all sorts of different sources, not finding a source that suited me. Either you want to be a logical person or you don’t. Do you want to croak this dumb? That’s a basic statement for most posters here, but even worse to Cory with all that brain power which shows intelligence is not tied to logic. Interestingly my BCB, I do get people confused now and then, veered to the left while I moved to the middle. All these lessons learned about tribes, labels, preconceived notions amazingly just get thrown out the window in the name of politics but you just can’t see it. All Republicans are …. All Democrats are …. All Muslims are …. All Native Americans are …. Fill in the blank and you’re Dumb, Dumb, Dumb.
Speaking of Dumb, Dumb, Dumb, someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed today.
Did you get jilted? The 13 year old’s have mothers that vote. Kavanaugh is on the Supreme Court and as quickly as that, he can be removed.
If OldSardinesinmustardsauce wasn’t a paid troll, no one would still put any credence in what propaganda he ejaculates on an hourly basis.
He is an uneducated dupe of the Putin/Drumpf wing of the wingnut party. The law and order bunch that breaks all the rules and cheat to get everything they want. This is the only way they get anything done. Drumpf has done this his entire sordid life and I suspect OldSardinetin is the same way.
Jerry, since Taylor Swift’s 1st album came out 12 years ago, that means the 13 year olds who she appealed to are now anywhere between 18 and 25 years old and can vote.
Indeed bcb, indeed. Mothers still love her music and she has shown she is a fighter after being assaulted her ownself.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/08/trump-attorneys-talk-mueller-877373
Drumpf’s lawyers are talking to legal teams for suspects in Mueller investigation. Moar obstruction of justice congress won’t bother to investigate?
I see that I am being talked about and claims are being made that I love Bill Clinton. Where did I say that?
Ms. Debbo, you’re a woman. The immature Russian loyalists who make the claims are fakey men who fear your power. This is probably not the first time you have sensed the fear, but now you can actually read it from the bedwetters on the paytroll.
Seriously, Mike? “Moar?” I refuse to believe that’s a typo.
Bill and Hillary Clinton are in Munich…drinking beer, of all things and having a good time. I liked Bill Clinton and thought he did as good of job as any could do with the congress he was dealt with. Oh, and then there is this on them both. “The Clintons announced Monday they will visit four cities in 2018 and nine in 2019 across North America in a series of conversations dubbed “An Evening with President Bill Clinton and former Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton.” It is being produced by Live Nation, the company behind Michelle Obama’s book tour as well as tours for Beyonce, Taylor Swift and Bruno Mars.” Live Nation is a very savvy promotional group that knows how to book talent that people want to see. Haters are gonna hate the man, but they did vote him in office by both the popular vote and the electoral vote and he did it with ease. How about that.
jerry, of course you liked Bill ad Hillary Clinton. Why they has always set an example for gentlemanly behavior and how to denigrate half of the Nation by calling them “deplorables”. What do you think Monica’s parents would say? I’m actually glad they are not in the United States. They never worked for us so much as their own wallets. That is much like so many of the left that fight to keep control over the people in order to line their own whoreish pockets with the handouts from the corporate overlords. It’s what made them rich.
grudgenutz- I stole moar from yer Wonkette.
OldSasquatchsnotsucker, Drumpf never worked for us as much as his own wallet. I fixed reality for you. Now run along and chase parked cars.
Can’t wait for Drumpf to Twitter about skank Taylor Swift and how she isn’t his kind because he can’t get through her body guards to grab her. I’m sure he will have numerous unflattering things to say about her looks, her music, how she isn’t rich like he is and isn’t a stable genius, etc, etc.
My wallet danced happy feet after Bush senior drove the economy in the ditch following st. Ronnie’s disaster. You betcha Russian, we were doing pretty damn good in 1992 and beyond all the way up to the tax cuts by W. Bush that put us in the crapper. Without the Saudi intervention in September of 2001, we were headed for more of the same republican governance.
Farmers were also doing good, at that time coming from a market slowdown in 1990-1991. Yupper, ol’ Clinton put some need money in the bank for this old feller. Too bad about the Russian economy at that time though, sucks to be you.
Sorry about not attaching the ag link. https://www.agclassroom.org/gan/timeline/1990_2000.htm
NOem’s complete disregard of a tax on a tax shows how little she is prepared to run a state. “In New Jersey, Mikie Sherrill, who is competing against Mr. Webber for the seat in the northern suburbs, took to social media and sent emails announcing that “Washington Republicans are seeking to punish New Jersey taxpayers.”
Tom Malinowski, a Democrat who is challenging Republican Representative Leonard Lance in the western part of New Jersey, weaves the tax issue into nearly every speech.
“Their top priority right now,” Mr. Malinowski said of the Republicans at a campaign stop where he was endorsed by the Amalgamated Transit Union, “is making the tax reform bill that they passed last year permanent. That’s their priority. None of them are talking about an infrastructure bill.”
In New York, Democrats looking to unseat the four House Republicans who supported the tax bill have renewed their criticism.” New York Times 10/08/2018
The NOem tax scam is heading into strong head winds. When farmers realize here that the tax scam will not make them whole for the losses they will sustain from the tariffs, they will want to vote for Billie Sutton. They will also want to vote for Tim Bjorkman to keep Dirty Johnson from trying to do the same failed scam if he goes to Washington.
jerry, are you on the same meds as iwacko?
Mr. OldSarg, can you please email me who “they” are who pay you and how much “they” pay you? I have a contract renewal coming up. I’ll put a Sugar Shack breakfast in your belly for a little advice.
“OldSasquatchsnotsucker” Oh yeah! Mikey, you are such a creative guy. You slay me!
Jerry, I’ve been wanting to tell you how much I enjoy “paytroll” and “NOem.” Very clever and creative. Also, thank you for your kind words.
I don’t worry much about OS, Jason, Ryan or similar types. They’re just not important enough to take up much time in my head. I like to listen to really smart guys like Cory and BCB, probably the two brainiest people on DFP, and think about what they’ve said. Then there’s us medium smart folks, and I do the same.
Sometimes HC has worthwhile thoughtful comments, which is really nice. He used to just bloviate all the time.
One thing I don’t give any time to is purely negative, hopeless comments. No point in that.
On this Native American Day, here in South Dakota, where we South Dakotans try to be respectful of all, it is disheartening to read all these out-of-state name-callers and other out-of-staters who act like junior high school girls cheering on the bullies and name callers. It is so disrespectful, and not fitting of Native American Day, here in South Dakota. I am glad it is the out-of-staters who behave in such a manner, and will contemplate this ugliness as I return to my other contemplations on this solemn day, and rejoice that its source is from Iowa and Minnesota.
Now the one who hides his identity is complaining about name calling. Such irony!
Taylor Swift, 111 million followers, says this: For all who give a damn about civil rights and especially the violence committed against women as now being acceptable, here ya go.
“I’m writing this post about the upcoming midterm elections on November 6th, in which I’ll be voting in the state of Tennessee. In the past I’ve been reluctant to publicly voice my political opinions, but due to several events in my life and in the world in the past two years, I feel very differently about that now. I always have and always will cast my vote based on which candidate will protect and fight for the human rights I believe we all deserve in this country. I believe in the fight for LGBTQ rights, and that any form of discrimination based on sexual orientation or gender is WRONG. I believe that the systemic racism we still see in this country towards people of color is terrifying, sickening and prevalent. I cannot vote for someone who will not be willing to fight for dignity for ALL Americans, no matter their skin color, gender or who they love. Running for Senate in the state of Tennessee is a woman named Marsha Blackburn. As much as I have in the past and would like to continue voting for women in office, I cannot support Marsha Blackburn. Her voting record in Congress appalls and terrifies me. She voted against equal pay for women. She voted against the Reauthorization of the Violence Against Women Act, which attempts to protect women from domestic violence, stalking, and date rape. She believes businesses have a right to refuse service to gay couples. She also believes they should not have the right to marry. These are not MY Tennessee values. I will be voting for Phil Bredesen for Senate and Jim Cooper for House of Representatives. Please, please educate yourself on the candidates running in your state and vote based on who most closely represents your values. For a lot of us, we may never find a candidate or party with whom we agree 100% on every issue, but we have to vote anyway. So many intelligent, thoughtful, self-possessed people have turned 18 in the past two years and now have the right and privilege to make their vote count. But first you need to register, which is quick and easy to do. October 9th is the LAST DAY to register to vote in the state of TN. Go to vote.org and you can find all the info. Happy Voting!”
Pay attention young folks of South Dakota, stand for something or you will fall for anything. What NOem and Dirty Johnson are selling, you should consider off limits, as they have proven again and again, they do not deserve to be considered. Oh, and if you are in District 3, kindly cast a worthwhile vote for Cory, he will do you right.
Sugar Shack, Grudzilla Are you Jimmy Gilmer or the Fireballs?
Does the cute little waitress still wear a black leotard and have bare feet?
OldScrapeditoffmyshoe, are you full Lakota?
Go Taylor Swift! I’m glad she’s finally on the right side of history.
You go girl!! :)
Taylor Swift has caused a yuuuuge voter registration. Clearly her followers are older than 13. ““We are up to 65,000 registrations in a single 24-hour period since T. Swift’s post,” said Kamari Guthrie, director of communications for Vote.org.
For context, 190,178 new voters were registered nationwide in the entire month of September, while 56,669 were registered in August.”
If you have not registered, please do. If you have not voted early, please consider it. If you are still not sure of how to vote, vote Democratic, you cannot go wrong there.
Also, the SDGOP tells you to vote for something or someone, vote the opposite that way you are doing your patriotic duty. Have you had Enough yet? Vote Democratic
That’s great news Jerry.
The number of good people who support a democratic republic in the US massively overwhelm those who don’t. Before she spoke up, Taylor Swift knew she risked alienating some of her fan base, but decided her country was worth it. That’s courage and that’s patriotism.
As a great Democrat once said. “What difference does it make? Sutton will never win.
Mike N, do you have some evidence for that? Noem seems to think Sutton is beating her. What do you know that Noem doesn’t?
https://www.rawstory.com/2018/10/gop-fearful-losing-south-dakota-governorship-40-years-thought-going-cakewalk/
Warning- one of the three most punchable faces in US government will shortly grace yer screen. The others are the orange phony in the Kremlin Annex and Cuban cum Canadian cum Texas Sinator Raphael Cruz.
😂😂😂 You are so right about the Punchable face! I’d rank that one #1 on the Punchability Scale. I’d expect my fist to land with a “glook” sound.
And Mike N, I’m sure you took that quote out of context like most everyone else.
Debbo, dare I ask what a “glook” sound sounds like?
Sorting of like punching an enormous bowl of cooked oatmeal that sat out on the counter overnight.