Back in 2014, I compared my Democratic views to the South Dakota Libertarian Party and calculated that I could agree with 52% of the language in their mostly conservative platform. I apply a similar scan to the new 2018 South Dakota Republican Party platform (which website appears to be malfunctioning this morning—I’ll update when the link is fixed) and find that, mostly just reading what is written and applying external evidence and analysis with restraint, I could agree with 74% of what Republicans say they believe.
That 74% agreement with a Republican platform might not surprise friends from real blue states, since, as Patrick Lalley noted in our radio conversation yesterday, they might view my South Dakota Leftism as some pretty mellow moderation. Hmm… is there really still that much Republicanism left in my veins since Mike Rounds drove me out of the party with his whining hypocrisy a decade and a half ago? Or do the Republicans simply lade their platform with more meaningless pablum than Libertarians do, thus better hiding their embrace of cruelty, corruption, and kakistocracy?
I do take off points for redundancy and contradiction, as a statement of principles should at least be internally consistent. Give the platform a read, score your own opposition, and see if you could get in the door at a Republican Party meeting!
| THE 2018 SOUTH DAKOTA REPUBLICAN PARTY PLATFORM | CA Heidelberger’s Democratic position | Agreement Score |
| AS ADOPTED BY THE 2018 SOUTH DAKOTA REPUBLICAN PARTY STATE CONVENTION ON JUNE 22nd, 2018. | as composed for Dakota Free Press on June 27, 2018 | 0.74 |
| Preamble | ||
| The fundamental principles of the South Dakota Republican Party are rooted in the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution of the United States, and the Constitution of the State of South Dakota. The Party supports the preservation of our Republic, its ideals, and its institutions for the good of all Americans. | My fundamental principles have the same roots and aims. | 1 |
| We believe the strength of our nation derives from an adherence to Judeo-Christian values. We support our nation’s heritage of religious freedom and personal responsibility. Republicans recognize we must be proactive in defending freedom at every level. We believe in equal rights and equal justice for all. | Like Gandhi, I’d love to see Christians adhere to their Christian values. Donald Trump’s failure to adhere to Judeo-Christian values may prove the first sentence of this statement correct by counter-example. I agree wholeheartedly with the rest of this paragraph. That said, while my values overlap with Judeo-Christian values, I do not believe that Jews or Christians merit any place of privilege in American government. Religious faith is not proof of nor pre-requisite to productive, patriotic, or moral behavior. | 0.7 |
| We recognize the free enterprise system and the work ethic of our people as the foundation of our economic success and security. The proper role of government is to provide for the people those critical functions that cannot be properly performed by individuals or private organizations. The most effective and responsible government is government closest to the people. The Republican Party, including its members, leaders, and elected officials must be cognizant of this Republican Platform and the fundamental principles of the Constitution of South Dakota and the United States of America. | I agree that the free market and work ethic are important. I would amend the proper roles of government to follow Adam Smith’s formula: government exists to repel foreign threats (invaders), quash internal threats (criminals), and provide the public goods and services that the private sector cannot or will not. I agree | 0.9 |
| We believe South Dakota is an exceptional place to live, raise a family, and pursue economic opportunity. To those ends, and for the people of our state, the South Dakota Republican Party commits itself to the following platform. | I wouldn’t be here if I didn’t agree that South Dakota is wonderful. However, “exceptional” may overstate the case, as there are many great places to live, work, and love. | 0.9 |
| Platform Summary: | ||
| INDIVIDUAL LIBERTY—The rights of American citizens proceed from The Creator, not from government. Government authority proceeds only from the consent of the People. Individuals, including the unborn, have the intrinsic right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. We affirm the sanctity of all human life. | We need not posit a Creator to recognize intrinsic human rights that legitimate governments must respect. Including the unborn in a blanket statement of rights misses the unique right of a pregnant woman to bodily autonomy. | 0.8 |
| PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY—Individuals and families are responsible for their behavior. Public policy should encourage and empower their efforts to provide for their own health, safety, education, moral fortitude and personal wealth. | Agreed. | 1 |
| PROPERTY RIGHTS— We support private property rights as guaranteed by the fifth amendment to the United States Constitution. | Agreed. Too bad Republicans don’t remember this when TransCanada comes seizing private property through eminent domain for its private profit. | 1 |
| LIMITED GOVERNMENT—Federal, state and local governments should be transparent and limited to their respective roles as essential to inherently governmental functions. | Agreed. | 1 |
| TRIBAL RELATIONS— We believe the best interests of all South Dakota citizens will result from working cooperatively with tribal governments. | Agreed—who can argue with cooperation? | 1 |
| PEACE THROUGH STRENGTH AND THE RULE OF LAW—National security, national sovereignty, public safety, the right to self-defense, the rule of constitutional and statutory law, and civil justice should be preserved without excessive burdens to civil liberty. | I’m disappointed that the GOP piles so much language at the front of this clause, suggesting that many things are more important than civil liberties. Nonetheless, I agree that no rights are absolute and that rights practically exist only within the context of a functioning government. | 0.9 |
| LOWER TAXES—The State should only collect taxes to fund legitimate government functions. Government taxes and fees should be limited to essential, inherently governmental functions. | Agreed… but unlike Republicans, I don’t use “legitimate” and “essential” as code for “drown the government in a bathtub.” | 1 |
| RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS—We support the right of individuals to keep and bear arms, as confirmed by the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution. | Agreed. | 1 |
| FAMILY INTEGRITY AND THE AMERICAN MORAL TRADITION—Traditional American families should be encouraged and moral values supported by policies to nurture strong marriages consisting of one man and one woman. | Strike the word “Traditional” from the front and the phrase “consisting of one man and woman” from the end. It’s not hard to agree that families are really important and that government policy should support them. But families need to be about love, not one sect’s culture-war agenda. | 0.5 |
| QUALITY EDUCATION—Parents have the first and primary responsibility of educating their children. We support access to locally controlled education. | Agreed, but “first” and “primary” are redundant, and I want language about our communal obligation to support parents’ ability to fulfill their responsibility by offering free, fair, and universal public education. | 0.9 |
| 1.0 Agriculture, Natural Resources, and Energy | ||
| 1.1 Agriculture – We support a strong and viable economy for agriculture. | Agreed—I like to eat! | 1 |
| 1.2 Free Markets – We support competitive markets. | Agreed—markets don’t work without competition. | 1 |
| 1.3 Environment – We support the responsible use of our natural resources. | Agreed… but unlike Republicans, I mean it! | 1 |
| 1.4 Energy Development – We support private efforts to develop and utilize traditional, new, and renewable energy resources. | Republicans use “traditional” when they want to make trouble. Realistically, “traditional” energy sources are largely polluting and finite. We need to reduce pollution and our use of unsustainable resources. We need to promote the use of cleaner, renewable energy resources. And we need to acknowledge that sometimes the private sector gets trapped in a profit loop that boxes out better technologies, requiring public action to level the playing field and boost research, development, and deployment of superior technologies. | 0.3 |
| 1.5 Use of Public Lands – We support the responsible, multiple use of public lands. | Almost agreed… but “responsible” needs to emphasize conservation. | 0.8 |
| 1.6 Property Rights – We support private property rights and due process. | Agreed. | 1 |
| 2.0 Economic Development and Jobs | ||
| 2.1 Economic Growth – We support the creation of new jobs and economic development that will create a jobs environment that will enable our youth and adults to stay in the great State of South Dakota. | Agreed. | 1 |
| 2.2 Right-to-Work – We support the right to work provision in our state constitution. We support the employee’s right to have a secret ballot in any election called to organize a union. | I support secret ballots. I do not support “right to work”, which is deceptive code for “right to fire.” | 0.3 |
| 2.3 Infrastructure – We support the development of modern infrastructure to foster economic growth. | Agreed—where’s my mag-lev train? | 1 |
| 2.4 Government Intrusion – We believe economic activity thrives in an environment of limited government intrusion, and can be stifled by government overreach, and excessive taxation and overregulation, especially from the federal government. We believe government should not compete with private enterprise. | Taxes can be too high and regulations too strict and complicated, but “intrusion”, “overreach”, and “excessive” are code words used to justify opposing everything government does that doesn’t fit the Republican agenda. Sometimes, as in education, government should compete with private enterprise, because private enterprise will never meet the full needs of the public. | 0.5 |
| 3.0 Health and Human Services | ||
| 3.1 Well-Being of All – We affirm our commitment to the physical, mental, social, and spiritual well-being of all South Dakotans. | Agreed. | 1 |
| 3.2 Opposition to Socialized Medicine – We support the private practice of medicine and oppose socialized medicine in the form of a government-run universal health care system. | You can’t say have this plank and the next plank. Universal health care beats the pants off what the private sector offers. | 0 |
| 3.3 Government Healthcare Systems – We encourage timely, accessible, and high quality healthcare for South Dakotans served by the Veterans Administration and the Indian Health Services, and encourage expedient referrals to private sector providers. | Be careful with that privatization language. We have obligations to veterans and Indians; we don’t get to pass those obligations off to the private sector. | 0.7 |
| 3.4 Healthcare Cooperation – We encourage working relationships with faith-based organizations to address well-being. | Again, be careful: the state can work with faith-based organizations, but such partnerships must be open to all religious groups and must not allow any of those groups to use state resources to promote their religion. | 0.7 |
| 3.5 Caring for Others – We affirm our commitment to address the needs of citizens who are physically or mentally unable to care for themselves. | Agreed. | 1 |
| 3.6 Role of Parents – We affirm the rights of parents as the primary nurturers, responsible for the financial support, moral training, education, childcare, health care, and discipline of their children. | Agreed. | 1 |
| 4.0 Education and Cultural Affairs | ||
| 4.1 Quality Education – We support our state’s commitment to quality education consistent with Republican values. We support public, private, and home school educational opportunities. | Agreed, except we should strike “consistent with Republican values.” Education should not be partisan. | 0.8 |
| 4.2 Local Control – We support returning control of the school curriculum to the parents and communities that fund it.We support the elimination of all federally mandated requirements. | I like getting the state out of the hair of parents, teachers, and school boards. However, the state and the feds have a role in equalizing funding, providing certain universal services, and guaranteeing certain equal rights in all schools. | 0.7 |
| 4.3 Parental Rights – We support the rights of parents within the public school system. We believe parents have the right to personally observe classroom instruction, access their children’s instructional materials and records at no cost to them, and to have a voice regarding their children’s involvement in national assessments. We believe in a wholesome educational setting, free from inappropriate sexual or cultural information in our curriculum and classrooms. Furthermore, we believe that participation in school sponsored sex education ought to be entirely a parental opt-in. | Mostly agreed, although the sex ed language is code for abstinence and ignorance. | 0.8 |
| 4.4 Value of Abstinence – We encourage instruction to students on the social, psychological, economic, and health gains to be realized by abstinence from sexual activity until marriage. | I can’t support a platform plank promoting curriculum that’s been proven not to work. This plank dictating curriculum also contradicts the GOP’s claimed support for local control of curriculum. | 0 |
| 4.5 Cultural Importance – We recognize the relevance of history and heritage in South Dakota. Our greatness results from diverse individuals assimilating into our American Heritage. “Out of the many we are one.” We support the English language as a unifying factor to this end. | Again, dictating curriculum, contra plank 4.2. Plus, mention of English as a unifier should be complemented with mention of world languages as foundations for global understanding. | 0.5 |
| 4.6 Historical Foundation – We support the teaching of the Mayflower Compact, the Declaration of Independence, the United States Constitution, the South Dakota Constitution, the Federalist Papers, and the historical role of faith and the Bible. We support further emphasis on the principles and values upon which our nation was founded, such as a constitutional republican form of government and the benefits of capitalism. | There they go dictating curriculum again. Platform should not give place of privilege to any one religion or economic system. | 0.5 |
| 4.7 Key Texts – We support the recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance in our schools and oppose deletions, changes, or amendments to the Pledge. We support the display of the South Dakota Motto, “Under God, the People Rule,” in our schools. We support display of the Ten Commandments in schools. | Again, dictating curriculum and giving place of privilege to one religion. Unconstitutional to demand that every student and teacher utter the words, “Under God.” The state motto is also unconstitutional. | 0 |
| 4.8 Technology – We acknowledge the need to strike a balance between technology and human interaction. | Agreed, even though I challenge any rank-and-file Republican to tell me what this plank means in terms of public policy. | 0.8 |
| 4.9 Data Protection – We support the protection of personally identifiable information. We oppose the unethical collection of personal information. Such information should not be obtained without legal consent. | Agreed. | 1 |
| 4.10 Free Speech – Free speech shall not be infringed. Free speech on college campuses is to be celebrated. “The United States of America is a free speech zone.” | Agreed, although the focus on college campuses is unnecessary and the last sentence is redundant. | 0.8 |
| 5.0 Government Affairs | ||
| 5.1 We support a lower tax burden, limited and effective spending at all government levels, as well as limiting growth of government. | “Lower tax burden”—one cannot universalize this principle. If a lower tax burden is always good, then eventually we are aiming at zero taxation, which is unworkable. We should seek the ideal tax burden, some level that properly balances individual needs and liberty with the need to provide public goods and services. Sometimes that ideal burden will be higher, sometimes lower. | 0.2 |
| 5.2 We support the 10th Amendment and oppose government mandates. | I’m not going to disagree with the existence and enforceability of the Bill of Rights. But blanket opposition to government mandates makes no sense: government mandates lots of things—speed limits, water quality, graduation standards—that are useful. | 0.5 |
| 5.3 We support balanced government budgets. | …with the recognition that sometimes we have to run a deficit for the sake of economic stimulus and other emergency needs. | 0.8 |
| 5.4 We respect the American flag and encourage flag etiquette. | Agreed. | 1 |
| 5.5 Entitlement Reform – We support entitlement reform at the federal level in order to put federal entitlement programs on a sound fiscal basis. | I don’t want Social Security, Medicare, or other social programs to go broke. No one opposes reforms that can keep those useful Democratic reforms alive and serving the public. | 1 |
| 5.6 We support all efforts to guarantee the integrity of our elections. We believe SD voters should be informed of the origin of political ads. | Agreed. | 1 |
| 5.7 Judges. We support the appointment of state and federal judges who support a constructionist view of the Constitution. | strict or broad? Come on, Republicans! Be clear! | 0 |
| 5.8 We believe the free flow of information empowers and energizes a republic and serves to keep government accountable. We support the federal Freedom of Information Act. | Agreed. | 1 |
| 5.9 We support the rights of immigrants to enter our country legally and support the rights of legal immigrants to work in our state. It is the responsibility of the state and federal state governments to enforce immigration laws and to protect our borders. | Whoa—immigration is a federal issue, not state issue. | 0.7 |
| 5.10 We affirm our commitment to work cooperatively with tribal governments. | Didn’t we already say this? | 1 |
| 5.11 We expect the courts of South Dakota to refrain from relying upon foreign law. | Sure! | 1 |
| 5.12 Candidates and Public Officials- It is the responsibility of elected officials and candidates to read and familiarize themselves with the Republican platform and the constitutions of the U.S. and SD. We encourage the county Central Committees to use these documents as a means to educate the public. | Putting the party platform on the same level as the state and federal constitutions is a bit presumptuous. | 0.7 |
| 5.13 Electoral College – We support the Electoral College. We support a party system as the best way to engage the voting public. | I see merits to the party system, but municipalities engage citizens without party structure, don’t they? And I’m not going to fight and die on any hill to preserve the Electoral College. | 0.2 |
| 6.0. Tribal Relations | ||
| 6.1 We are committed to improving Tribal Relations by working cooperatively with tribal governments to enhance the lives of our state’s tribal members. | Now we’ve said it three times…. | 1 |
| 7.0 Public Safety and Security | ||
| 7.1 Equal Justice – We support the fair and equal administration of justice to protect the public and their property, to assist victims of crime, punish as well as rehabilitate offenders, and assist in the transition of offenders into society. | Agreed. | 1 |
| 7.2 Law Enforcement – We support law enforcement and their work to provide citizens with a crime-free environment. We applaud and appreciate those involved with public safety in South Dakota. | Agreed. | 1 |
| 7.3 We support the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms. | Again, I do not dispute the existence and authority of the Bill of Rights. I do dispute the GOP’s interpretation of the Second Amendment as an absolute right of boundless practical value. | 0.8 |
| 7.4 Homeland Security – We support a strong and reasonable approach to homeland security that protects our safety, our borders, and our liberties. | Again, Republicans always manage to mention more priorities than civil liberties. | 0.9 |
| 7.5 Armed Forces- We support with all our hearts those men and women and their families in all branches of the armed forces, past and present, who have sacrificed their time and lives for our country. | Agreed (and remember: one of the best ways to support the troops is not to throw them away in ill-advised wars) | 1 |
| 8.0 Family and Community Values | ||
| 8.1 Families – We recognize the family as the central core of society. We recognize parents and parental rights as the foundation and proper authority for South Dakota families. | This statement sounds good, but a single friend reminds me that there are lots of good Americans who are not married, who do not have children, or who do not fit into the Republican Party’s narrow definition of a traditional family but who are just as important to keeping our society humming as anyone else. | 0.5 |
| 8.2 Free Exercise of Religion – We support the free exercise of religion as guaranteed by the First Amendment of the US Constitution. | Agreed. | 1 |
| 8.3 Exploitation and Abuse – We oppose exploitation, trafficking or abuse of adults, children and the unborn. | Agreed, but how does one exploit or traffic the unborn? Does the Republican Party’s use of images of fetuses to distract voters from broader public policy issues count as exploitation of the unborn? | 0.8 |
| 8.4 Marriage – We believe marriage is the union of one man and one woman. We affirm it is in the best interest of children to be raised by a mother and a father. | No. Marriage is about the love you bring, not the parts. It is in the best interest of children to be raised by people who love them and each other. | 0 |
| 8.5 Sanctity of Life – We affirm the sanctity of human life, including the unborn, the elderly, the chronically ill, and the terminally ill. We oppose abortion and assisted suicide in all forms. We believe that life begins at conception. | I affirm the sanctity of human life, but I do not believe the government has a proper role in dictating to all citizens the choices they will make with respect to abortion and assisted suicide. Instead of intruding on the private decisions of citizens, we would more vividly and consistently demonstrate our commitment to the sanctity of human life by not killing prisoners, by reducing police violence, and by avoiding unnecessary wars. | 0.2 |
| 8.6 Stem Cell Research – We oppose embryonic stem cell research. We support alternatives not involving the killing of human embryos, such as adult stem cell research. | We should not produce and harvest human embryos solely for scientific research. However, if embryonic stem cells are available, we should not decline to use them for research. | 0.3 |
My beliefs do cross over, there are fundamental things that I hold near and dear as a Republican, but the current party of Trump does not hold those things near and definitely not dear. The vast majority of Americans are in the middle. Every poll I take when it asks if I my leanings are way Right…just Right…middle….just Left or way Left, I tend to pick the middle button and it is usually about 40% of other taking the poll in the middle, then 30 percent or so are just to the Right or left and about 30 percent on the fringes of either leaning. So, I believe that 70% of the population is separated by only a few issues and we can work with that. The noise comes from the fringes and unfortunately, a great deal of money comes with those fringe groups, and that keeps us divided. We are closer to a conflict between sides than we have been in a very long time and the reality is, we aren’t that far apart. Fortunately we don’t have an issue that is worth killing a neighbor over like we did have in our history, but we do need to pull it together very soon or these skirmishes, both large and small, will turn into a battles of extremism and when that happens fully, we all lose. Come together, join hearts, find a harmony line, however you want to say it, the important thing is that we do it, the sooner, the better. Kum Ba Yah. :0)
Request methodology in agreement score.
Roughly, Dicta, I ask myself, “Could I honestly utter those words?”
What level of disagreement rises to a deduction of what score? Kinda gut feeling?
grudznick got an 83.5% mostly because I put a zero on all the god planks.
Mr. H, you didn’t score on number 1.6. Maybe you’re even more republican than you admitted.
Yup, gut feeling, much like my Libertarian score. Your mileage may vary.
Grudz, you’re right! I’ll add the 1 there; doesn’t affect the rounded total score of 0.74.
I’d maybe agree if you agreed with pre-1974 wingnuts. A few of them were actually decent human beings with visions of country before party.
The lemmings already left the building long before you left the wingnut party.
~I scored 48.1 points from a possible 65 making a 74% approval score.
~I awarded zero on all the same one’s Cory awarded zero to but gave less approval to mixing Government and religion than Cory did, though we scored the same.
~Several times I said to myself, “If only Republicans would at least try to do what they’re preaching. So many of these are nowhere near what they practice.”
Just between we liberals, I think Grudzie used French math. 🐐
The more I read, the more I thought, this bears little resemblance to what the SDGOP actually does. It’s just words that are irrelevant to the party’s activity.
So I didn’t do it at all. Maybe another day when I’m feeling more patient.
Pretty squishy mush, and the stuff that’s not squishy is deplorable. Not much on open government or corruption reform, which matches up with the 4 decades of Republican kleptocracy.
I’m interested in environmental issues so I find it really strange that the platform of the Republican Party would be silent on protection of environmental quality, such as air and water quality, and conservation of resources, such as animal and plant species and natural habitats. What a slap in the face to Teddy Roosevelt, who wouldn’t be happy with ignoring these issues.
Their education plank is a joke. 4.1 is just a ridiculous demand to use schools as a Republican propaganda and bully machine. That’s as far as I needed to go on the education planks. All zeros for me if the first thing they want is education of a quality consistent with Republican “values,” which are given such fine demonstration by Dear Leader Donald J. Trump. No thanks.
Mr. Pay, I scored for you using American Math, where we put numbers in all the boxes and add them, and you got 87.5%. Higher than grudznick. You were of course all tin-foil-hat on all the environmental issues, and half-in on the overgodding ones, but golly…you are way more Republican than most of us realized.
You know, when Ms. Geelsdottire wrote:
she was almost as spot on as I’ve read her to be in a long time. That is why people are starting to oust those who are insaner than most and soon you may see some saner people pulling up the rotted planks of the decking and using new fancy screws to drill down more modern treads. It will be an epiphany for many, but not for the Conservatives with Common Sense.
full disclosure: grudznick is the past president of the Conservatives with Common Sense, and a nationally syndicated author much as Mr. Randazzo is.
I just want to comment that I find it interesting that we left the Republican party at about the same time.
For the same reasons, MHN?
Donald makes a good point about how agreeing with what the GOP puts in the plank ignores what they don’t put in the plank. Determining one’s agreement with a particular party requires far more than just reading the platform as is and seeing if you can sign on to it.
Porter and Debbo also catch the key difference between what the platform says and what the party does. It kind of makes me wonder if the platform has any value as an educational tool. When a young voter asks me what the difference is between the parties, is it really a good idea to hand them copies of both parties’ platforms and say, “Decide for yourself”? Or are there other texts that would give a better assessment of how the parties differ and why a voter might prefer to join one or the other?
I’m going to give the Democratic Party platform a similar analysis. Maybe we’ll find evidence of Michelle Lavallee’s claim that we really all share the same values. Or maybe we’ll find that neither platform says enough to identify the meaningful differences between the good guys and the bad guys.
Beware of sharing ideas with Libertarians. Have you read Democracy In Chains? Libertarianism is Trumpsim or Kochism. Same. Reaganism Bushism, all same. racism. Sexism. Fuedalism. Evil. Same. Different faces.same Libertarian/John Birch background. Everyone should read that book. asap. be afraid..be very afraid.
Since the SDGOP has held the power for a good long time, I suggest a good way to judge them is by what they’ve actually done and the results in the state. When they hold all the cards, they own all the responsibility.
Read NPR’s review of the book Jim mentions here.
On, Michelle Lavallee’s claim that we really all share the same values.
There are very few, if any, liberals who hold positions from the right. There are a significant number of self-identified conservatives who hold attitudes on the left.
Policy-centric campaigning will only work for Democrats. The GOP needs to use more identity- and threat-based appeals.
The GOP is more powerfully fueled by (white, Evangelical) identity politics than Democrats are fueled by their own groups’ identities.
There is empirical evidence that the GOP is better incentivized to use rhetoric based on identity threat. They are therefore more prone to using inflammatory language, and more threatened by challenges to their supremacy.
This puts Democrats in the position of needing to respect the feelings of their opponents, while those opponents are motivated largely by the power of outrage. It’s not an even fight. So it is important to avoid equalizing civility claims.
It is also important for the media to understand that they are being forced into this reduced frame in which Republicans’ feelings must be protected because they are more sensitive to identity threat than are Democrats. – Lilliana Mason (social scientist – U of Maryland)
I would bet you score higher as a Constitutionist as we believe in upholding the entire Bill of Rights and opposed to undeclared, unconstitutional wars.
Heavens forfend, Lori! :-D
But I may take a moment and check that out.