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Stace Nelson Not Rained Out of Bad Conserva-Logic on Twitter

And here I was worried our friend Senator Stace Nelson might be underwater in soggy Hanson County. Silly me—at six-foot-threven (etymology here), Stace, like the Leola Hills, will still be peeking above the flood waters long after East River has surrendered to Lake Agassiz 2019.

Whatever rain is falling and shutting down I-90 south of Stace’s house, it’s not enough to stanch the flood of Trumpy folderol flowing from the District 19 Senator’s Twitter thumbs. But rain or shine, Nelson’s Twitter logic is all wet.

Take this one Stace retweet from Florida Congressman Matt Gaetz:

US Rep. Mat Gaetz (R-FL), retweeted by Sen. Stace Nelson (R-19/Fulton), 2019.09.12
US Rep. Mat Gaetz (R-FL), retweeted by Sen. Stace Nelson (R-19/Fulton), 2019.09.12

It’s funny that my friend Stace, who makes a really big deal about saying that America is a Republic Not a Democracy™, would promote an appeal to the snapshot impulses of the mob over the deliberative decisions of their elected representatives. Citing an opinion poll as grounds for rejecting a Constitutional action shows logic as squishy as my dad’s holey waders.

But if public opinion is to dictate Congressional action, and if failure to act in accord with public opinion is justification for removing a republic’s elected officials from power…

72% of Americans support requiring a license to buy a gun.

72% support a national red-flag law.

83% support background checks for private and gun show sales.

89% support increased mental health funding.

Congressmen Gaetz and Donald Trump and other Republicans whom Stace cheers have failed to act on those majority-approved policy priorities.

I like Stace, because he often takes what look like principled stands. But maybe the Fulton floodwaters are soaking and shorting his logic circuits, because I just can’t square how one opposes fuller democracy and policies supported by big majorities of Americans one moment but then turns to defending a favored politician of the moment by advocating popular opinion over the decisions of his wise Republic’s Congress.


  1. mike from iowa 2019-09-12 19:58

    38% approve of Drumpf’s job performance in September (Salon)

    According to the poll, conducted from September 5 through 9, 71 percent of those who were surveyed told CNN that they trusted none or just some of what was directly communicated from the White House.

    Thirty percent said that they trusted “nothing at all,” while 41 percent said they trusted “just some of it.”

  2. Stace Nelson 2019-09-12 21:48

    You are comparing apples to Dragon fruit.

    First off, the Democrats have moved to impeach President Trump 3-4 times now. At what point should double jeopardy come into play? In this case we are talking tone deaf politics. Regardless where you stand on President Trump, the optics and reality that the soft coup and impeachment motions are starting to push through is that the Democrats will do anything to ruin the man. Regardless if it is illegitimate or illegal.

    2nd Amendment rights are inalienable for these very reasons. They are not subject to popular vote. While that is the effort, and we see more and more efforts to steamroll the Constitution, and more and more RINOs caving..

    One reaks of political desperation and the other rights infringement issue is becoming the flashpoint for the 21st century that slavery was for the Democrats in the 19th.. Both will end equally bad for the protagonists.

  3. Roger Cornelius 2019-09-12 22:19

    The move by the House today is not for impeachment, but may lead to Impeachment. Today’s House vote was to simply to lay out the parameters for an impeachment inquiry.
    Democrats need to keep moving for impeachment for as long as it takes.
    This is no longer about republicans and Democrats it is about right versus wrong.

  4. Debbo 2019-09-12 22:26

    I don’t see in Cory’s post an option for reversing any amendments. I do see suggestions for badly needed safety limitations. It certainly wouldn’t be the only amendment to be very moderately circumscribed for the wellbeing of the nation.

  5. Cory Allen Heidelberger Post author | 2019-09-13 05:45

    Apples to apples:

    Proposition D: “The people want X to happen. Congresspeople act to make not-X happen. The people should replace those Congresspeople.”

    When X = “action to check gun violence,” Stace says D is false.

    When X = “Trump should remain in the White House,” Stace says D is true.

    Second Amendment rights (which have nothing to do with the mental health funding Congress isn’t coughing up, but o.k.) are as alienable as First Amendment rights. Cops can order you to put down your gun and take away your liberty and life if you don’t.

    The Second Amendment exists to protect the government and the Republic. If guns don’t serve that purpose, the protections of the Second Amendment disappear.

    Notice also that Gaetz wasn’t making a Second Amendment argument; he was making a democracy-not-a-republic argument, and Stace was promoting a democracy-not-a-republic argument. Stace’s response here is NRA boilerplate, not a justification of the clear logical contradiction of appealing to democratic majoritarianism on one issue while using “Republic Not A Democracy” to resist other reforms.

  6. mike from iowa 2019-09-13 07:01

    Off topic Hey Nelson, ever wonder what yer buds at LifeSite have been up to lately? You used to refer to them for your abortion stats.

    Still at it. The dead Breitbart of falsified anti abortion propaganda, imho.

  7. Jake Kammerer 2019-09-13 10:20

    Hey Nelson-so why shouldn’t Congress reps (Republican or/and Democrat) TOTALLY outlaw civilian ownership of current assault-type rifles?!

  8. Buckobear 2019-09-13 10:56

    I don’t know where sen Nelson livs but it certainly isn’t in this portion of the space-time continum.
    The last president to be impeached was Bill Clinton, and republicans were responsible for that debacle.
    The current hearings are best compared to empanneling a Grand Jury to review evidence and decide if charges (ie impeachment) is warranted.
    Shouldn’t the people we elect be required to inhabit reality ??

  9. Jake 2019-09-13 13:35

    Yeah, Buckobear, and they done it to Clinton for ‘lyin’ to Congress’! And this present White-house occupant has lied to us -the American people- over 12,000 times in under 3 yrs!!! It’s said too, to wonder if ANY GOP Senators might vote their OWN conscience instead of Party if it came to it on High Crimes and Misdemeanors or even Felonies. I guess it would be one vote though that Moscow Mitch would have to hold-irregardless of Trump’s feelings on the issue.

  10. Owen 2019-09-13 14:05

    Stace, You act like Trump is being charged for the same thing 3 or 4 times. No!!! He breaks the law almost everyday.
    Take a step back from Faux News and check out other outlets.

  11. Porter Lansing 2019-09-13 15:09

    Can we take four more years of Donald Trump?

  12. mike from iowa 2019-09-13 15:15

    The only physical evidence against Clinton was a stain on a blue dress and for anyone but WJC, sex with a dress is not a crime of any type.

  13. Cory Allen Heidelberger Post author | 2019-09-13 17:53

    Buckobear wisely reminds us of history:

    In December 1998, Pew Research found “just 29% said Clinton should be “impeached and removed from office” while 67% said that he should not. After a week of blistering oratory from Republicans on the House Judiciary Committee, Clinton’s approval rating remained at 61% in the Pew survey. The Gingrich House approved two articles of impeachment several days later.

    I feel bad for Stace and his fellow Republicans. Donald Trump’s poor memory and his inability to frame a coherent argument appear to be infecting the entire party. Stace, you and your team clearly need to help us elect a Democratic President so you can regain your bearings.

  14. Jake 2019-09-13 18:22

    Cory, every time Trump opens his mouth another coffin nail goes into the GOP burial.

  15. Stace Nelson 2019-09-13 20:17

    @Jake Kammerer The only people with what you call modern “assault rifles,” are terrorists, every Swiss, countless US enemies, the US Military, and some law enforcement. What the American public owns is no where near actual modern weapons of war capabilities. In the 243 years of this country, there have been numerous reasons for Americans to possess the latest in firearms, not the least of which was the Democrats seceding from the USA, forming the Confederacy, and waging war against the USA to destroy it to expand slavery. Fast forward 70 years and you have WWII when German Socialists goose stepped across the world alongside Socialist Italian fascists and Imperial Japan, as they herded millions of disarmed people to their torturous deaths. As you meander towards the 21st century, you’ve got more Chinese Socialist cleansing millions more of their defenseless people, Not to mention the millions killed by Socialists in Vietnam and near 1/4th of Cambodia starved, murdered, and dead from violent Khmer Rouge Socialists. There’s
    Many more smaller Socialist nightmares in recent history; however, let’s end the short summary of why Americans’ rights to be armed remain valid with the horrific scenes of Socialists brutality against the French and Venezuelans the world witnessed only within the last year.

  16. jerry 2019-09-13 20:53

    Speaking of drugs, weren’t we?, Nelson sounds like he may have either entered the Twilight Zone or he is higher than a kite. What a load of drivel.

  17. John Tsitrian 2019-09-13 21:07

    I didn’t know that Trump University had a History Department.

  18. jerry 2019-09-13 21:12

    LOL!! Me either John T.

  19. bearcreekbat 2019-09-14 01:23

    Let me try a shorter translation of Stace’s comment to Jake Kammerer: Despite their looks and rapid multiple firing capabilities civilian guns are not the exact equivilant of military grade weapons; and guns are needed because conservatives are frightened by Socialists. Did I get it right Stace?

  20. Stace Nelson 2019-09-14 02:25

    @Jerry You’re projecting. You Socialists don’t like your history? Or is it you don’t want folks reminded of it’s massive murder count.. What no wink and a nod disassembly that you’re not coming for Americans guns 🙄

    @Beercreekdrowning Translation: you can’t refute what I said and are ignorant of the capabilities of actual state of the art military weapons so you throw a word salad together and throw it out there like a blind squirrel grasping for nuts. Crime rates across the USA are down and going lower due to “shall issue” laws passed (mainly) by Republicans. “Gun free” zones are the #1 contributing factor to mass shooting events. Socialists’ response? Disarm law-abiding Americans. Republicans owe “Beto” a big thank you for outing Democrats across the USA & gutting the dishonesty of their claims they weren’t maneuvering all along to confiscate Americans’ guns.

  21. Stace Nelson 2019-09-14 02:50

    @Jerry You’re projecting, lay off the illicit substances..

    @BeerCreekBatty Your “translation” translates into an admission you have no clue what you are talking about in regards to firearms. Their “looks?!” “Rapid multiple firing capabilities?!?!?” Their “looks!?” 🤣

    When Socialists brazenly state they will forcibly confiscate law-abiding Americans property? When they effectively are declaring war (again) on Americans? No.. not afraid of Socialists. More tired of idiots not learning from history and empowering such power hungry evil. Curious, how are you internet basement trolls going to forcibly raid every law-abiding armed South Dakotans home to seize their legal property? Especially when SD has Castle doctrine and no need to retreat laws. Lucky for me 🙄 none of my firearms “look” like the scary ones you little Elmer Fudd’s will be hunting for..

    Beto just made gun confiscation an election issue in every race a Democrat runs in. Thanks Beto 😉

  22. mike from iowa 2019-09-14 07:36

    Nelson, white scumacysts, varmint/deer hunters and white mass murderers all love military style weapons because of that quick follow up shot(s), depending on clip size.

    You do not need but one shot if you are practiced and familiar with yer weapons.

  23. Jake Kammerer 2019-09-14 08:06

    Stace, you can’t buy or possess a machine gun or sawed off shotgun because a smart Congress passed the law while considering the 2nd Amendment. Stand there now in your self-righteousness and try to convince me that an assault rifle like an AR!5 or AK47 wouldn’t have been prohibited back when the others were outlawed. They are as deadly as tommy guns or sawed offs.

  24. Porter Lansing 2019-09-14 08:10

    MFI … Local lady, Lora Hubel threatened Beto’s life on a blog, yesterday. wow! Colorado has a red flag law and one of the markers for a “time out” is that you need your weapons. Not just want them. And, if you turn them in calmly, you’ll get them back. If you go “postal” you won’t. Makes sense to me, psychologically.

  25. jerry 2019-09-14 08:10

    @Nelson, you’re stuttering, from being in the bag perhaps. Pull your head out and breathe some fresh air…Just say NO. A mind is a terrible thing to waste…too late!

  26. Porter Lansing 2019-09-14 08:12

    PS … Hey, Stace. You don’t even know what socialism is. You only know what that online college and the JarCorps taught you and that’s far from reality.

  27. bearcreekbat 2019-09-14 09:59

    Stace, your name-calling doesn’t add to your credibility. Instead, it makes you look weak and insecure.

    You say you are not frightened of Socialists. Then it would appear that your desire to retain your not-quite military style weapons is in the hope of murdering some folks that might try to carry out a gun confiscation policy you object to that could be enacted by people you label as Socialists if and when they are elected to run our government. Apparently, if you did not think that was a real possibility perhaps you would not cling so tightly to your killing machines.

    Typically, however, the desire to use guns to kill other people does come from either fear of those people or severe mental illness that makes you a danger to yourself or others. Do you have an alternative explanation for your stated desire to use weapons against Socialists?

  28. Dave 2019-09-14 11:36

    Just think, everybody. Stace will go to Pierre in January and help formulate state policy. We’re doomed.

  29. Anne 2019-09-14 13:27

    Human decency hot tip: the level
    of anger you’re expressing over
    Beto saying he’s going to take
    your big boy toy away is how
    mad you were supposed to be
    every time someone’s child was
    murdered in school with
    someone else’s big boy toy.

  30. Debbo 2019-09-14 13:29

    Anne’s comment– BOOM!

    Now shut up and crawl away, you ammosexuals.

  31. Stace Nelson 2019-09-14 15:23

    @Jake Kammerer You May want to do some research.. People still buy and posses actual automatic rifles, cannons, and “sawed off shotguns.”

    @BeerCreekBatty Folks wonder why elected officials don’t bother responding to any of the nonsense trolling that you and the other rabid partisans perpetrate here. You cowardly hide your head behind your modern day KKK hood (anonymity) while spewing out right lies. I don’t own any of the “assault” rifles that so many ignorant people are fixated on. You people would look at the ones I have and still be triggered as you demand the populace be disarmed like every damn Socialist in history has used to murder hundreds of millions. But the fact is you folks are so ignorant as to weaponry you would lose interest because none of mine are the scary black ones you don’t like the looks of. I’ve drawn down on hundreds of criminals and had cause to shoot many. Contrary to you and IP’s idiotic rambling, I’ve been injured vice shooting out of concern for the public’s safety. So stuff your lies and ignorant comments.

    @Anne I am angry that ignorant people continue to push to disarm law abiding America’s to make it safe for mass murderers to slaughter them in asinine “gun free” zones that facilitate those evil actions. I refuse to be lectured about safeguarding lives, by people who clamor for wholesale abortions of innocent babies, and have never risked their own lives for the safety of others.

    ALCON, thanks for the ignorant, rabid nasty partisan comments. It reminds me of what is at stake and it’s like the terrorist chatter we used to gauge how successful our antiterrorism efforts were. When the Leftists are this up in arms (love the pun)? It shows even they know they’ve stepped in it and shown their hole card 😉

    But I digress.. Remind me again.. Hows your Democratic Party doing with all of you folks winning dispositions and rabid partisan comments driving away voters and $$..

  32. mike from iowa 2019-09-14 15:41

    Nelson, don’t you have some reproductive rights to take away from women? You’ll no doubt, find them easier to bamboozle with yer Rambo, macho man routine.

    Yer desire to enhance yer manhood by toting around lethal weapons does not trump American citizens rights to feel safe from loonies like you and yer ammosexual friends. We have police and deputies to provide protection from mass murderers who are aided and abetted by goofy wingnuts like you who are willing to arm terrorists to prevent a single gun from not being sold to citizens.

    Reasonable and responsible are the words of the day for gun control. You exhibit neither.

    As for your angry diatribe at bcb, find any falsehood he has said to you. I want to see it in lights.

  33. Stace Nelson 2019-09-14 16:09

    @Mike in Iowa Working on legislation combatting the barbaric, brutal, evil procedure of abortion 😉
    My rights to carry concealed across the nation are cemented in federal statute, just doing my job defending South Dakotans’ Constitutional rights against the gun grabbing Socialists 😉
    Rambo was Army, I’m a Marine.. Read a book, there’s a difference and don’t hate me because of my patriotic service to God & Country.. it’s like the unwritten Socialist rule “never tell the lady-abiding Americans you’re coming for their guns..” People don’t like Leftists when they really see them for who they are 😉
    You and Jerry are projecting and your “male” insecurities are telling. It’s the reason you cowards have to hide behind your new age KKK hoods of anonymity and chuck lies and fecal matter while driving people away from interacting on Cory’s blog. Several of you have been specifically cited by folks who read the blog in apologies by democrats who are ashamed to be associated with your ilk and blame “you” for many registered Democrat losses.
    Law enforcement is not required nor or they responsible for any citizens personal safety. LE cannot protect people and you offer lies claiming otherwise. The only “responsible” thing is to empower law-abiding South Dakotans to protect themselves, which is exactly what I’ve done😉
    I’ve yet to find anyone with the firearms & law enforcement training and experience comparable with own. Why in the world would I surrender my family’s safety and my own because of your unreasonable male insecurity over firearms. Go to a therapist, get some counseling, get some help for your pathological insecurities.
    You keep up the good work for “Democrats,” Mike! What ever Dan Lederman is paying you, some of you guys are worth your weight in gold for the GOP.
    Everything BcB said about me is horsecrap. You two clowns spew your ignorant partisan hatred and bile driving people away from Cory’s blog. Keep up the good work, let the engraver know your real names so they can give you credit on the SDDP’ tombstone

  34. mike from iowa 2019-09-14 16:18

    Chuck lies and fecal matter? You really are a dips&&t! You have no constipational right to carry a Gun everywhere. You are a bloviating bully that likes to inflict pain on women in tough circumstances to force them to have unwanted children they aren’t ready for and are unable to afford.

    You show more compassion for terrorists that come to America to buy all the weapons they can get because of your disturbed, distorted views on the 2nd amendment. As for distinguishing between Army and a gyrene like you, that is irrelevant. you are acting Rambo-like and I find it personally disgusting your cheap tactic of always referring to your service and your imaginary god. What have either of you done lately to help the cause of all human beings?

  35. Stace Nelson 2019-09-14 16:44

    @Mike in Iowa: Follow along closer, I’ll type slower so you can keep up.. 2nd Amendment actually is a nationwide Constitutional right😉 but that’s not what I referred to. I said federal statutory coverage for retired law enforcement to carry concealed nationwide. It was one of the common sense actual brilliant things that Congress passed. It’s part of empowering solutions like “shall issue” concealed permit laws passed that have resulted in the US crime rate dropping. If you’d get some counseling for that insecurities you have, and stop obsessing over disarming law-abiding South Dakotans.. you might get that clue. I’ve combatted terrorism in different countries and your ignorant comment is a perfect example of the grossly moronic lies and dishonest statements that you and the other anonymous cowards spew like a broken toilet overflowing. Make up your insecure little mind.. in one hand you whine and trigger when I factually point out relevant aspects of my long decorated career as a Marine & federal agent, now your begging for more details. Unfortunately, I’m not at liberty to disclose that 😉
    More attacks on my Christian faith and God.. you are a perfect cowardly spokesperson for the hateful Left. Your war on Christianity and God is doing wonders for SD Democrat registration numbers.. You fella keep up the good work, You’re driving folks away from the SD Democratic Party in droves..

  36. mike from iowa 2019-09-14 16:52

    Your war on Christianity and God is doing wonders for SD Democrat registration numbers.. Not near the job gerrymandering and wingnut attempts to disenfranchise legal Dem voters have done.

    In your fever dreams, Rambo, you are a hero. To me you are bloviating bully full of himself and other fecal matter. Keep bragging about yerself. It does wonders for ego. You are the gift that keeps on blowing steam and giving.

  37. Certain Inflatable Recreational Devices 2019-09-14 16:53

    Stace Nelson: ” I’ve drawn down on hundreds of criminals and had cause to shoot many. Contrary to you and IP’s idiotic rambling, I’ve been injured vice shooting out of concern for the public’s safety.”

    Hundreds? That seems hyperbolic. But then, Stace has always had a Rambo bent.

  38. Certain Inflatable Recreational Devices 2019-09-14 16:56

    Stace complains about “More attacks on my Christian faith and God..”

    God can, in her omnipotence, might manage to muddle on against “attacks.” Your “Christian faith,” based, as it is, on fiction, may fare worse.

  39. Certain Inflatable Recreational Devices 2019-09-14 17:00

    Cory, I LOVE your new five-minute edit window.

  40. Dana P 2019-09-14 17:27

    Stace retweets pathological liar Matt Gaetz. A seeker of the truth? Stace is not. He is only up to the challenge of ‘liking’ things that fit into his narrative.

    Read the comments above, and ask the question, “this is an elected official?” It’s one thing to disagree, but…… I know Stace LOVES the term “gun free zones” (the Walmart in El Paso was NOT a gun free zone. Many customers had weapons in that open carry state) If “gun free zones” are the problem, I would think that Afghanistan and Iraq would be peaceful!

    Anne’s comment sums it up best. The increase in carnage on the streets of America is due to inaction on the part of politicians. If Anne’s comment doesn’t make a light bulb pop up above your head, you have no soul. Pro life? Not for a second. No thoughts or ideas on how to decrease gun violence in this country. Only NRA talking points (that have already been proven to be false several times over) is all that Stace offers. The MAJORITY of Americans want movement on gun violence. Proven ways (I know, there goes those facts again) that will help reduce gun violence. All Stace offers is word salad.

    If you aren’t part of the solution, you ARE part of the problem

    Still crickets on MFI’s question about the Scalia comments in Heller. Common sense statement on Scalia’s part. But no, Stace deflects and won’t address it. Wash, rinse, repeat! While Stace dithers, lives are lost. ‘Merica!

  41. leslie 2019-09-14 17:40

    Stace-this is the Democratic party. Not 1860 slave holders, Confederates, Lost Causers, or socialists.

  42. Dana P 2019-09-14 17:41

    Just checked the news….Ft Worth Texas, (pssst, open carry state), shooting between sets of parents at a youth football game.

    Oh boy, more guns and open carry makes us sooooooo much safer

  43. Eve Fisher 2019-09-14 18:21

    Yes, Mr. Nelson, we heard it from Joe the Plumber: “Your dead kids don’t trump my constitutional rights.”
    Sorry. I agree with Anne.
    But continue to bluster and brag as much as you want. You’re not persuading me at all.

  44. Stace Nelson 2019-09-14 20:53

    @Mike from Iowa: Your insecurities are pathological and would be sympathetic if not for your vulgar nature. Fortunately your delusions and hatred are of no consequence. You haven’t even the moral courage to put your name to your cowardly hatred and bile. Remain anonymously insignificant and unnoticed 😉 remember that you are the best tool that the GOP has in driving up their registration numbers 😉

    @Dana P. 🙄 everybody’s a serial liar but the liberal series liars. A whole career wiped away with your ignorant hatred because it doesn’t fit the intolerant politics you embrace 🙄 I’ll wait with baited breath and unbridled laughter waiting for you to come repossess the numerous commendations and medals for the very faithful service you seek to malign. You will need Congressional action to seal the thousands of case files my efforts are documented in 🤣
    You claim 90% support the unconstitutional gun grabbing Socialists propose, and yet.. You folks continue to see anti2nd Amendment candidates shot down at the polls.
    As with many things you’ve said, you are incorrect about El Paso. The Wallmart is in fact located in a self described “gun free” zone. Once again the insane policy that you support has contributed in making it safe for mass murders to do so. Proven ways to reduce gun violence and crime is to empower law abiding Americans to be able to protect themselves.. Its why South Dakotans celebrated passage of Constitutional carry this year against the efforts of anti2nd Amendment Democrats. 😉 I wasn’t aware you worship Scalia, and your snide nasty comments have made it clear Civil discussion isn’t sought 😉

    @Eve My job isn’t to convince you of the errors of your philosophy, my job is to ensure that your disastrous philosophy doesn’t infringe the rights of the lAw abiding South Dakotans that have repeatedly overwhelming rejected your Liberal views 😉 while you liberals are breaking your teeth on me and driving my constituents towards me with your blood thirst for abortion and expressed declarations of war to seize their property and trample their Constitutional rights, You waste resources and time that could have been used in other districts. Seriously🤣 where enraged liberals campaigned against me the last several elections? Your radical views and hatred have literally increased my winning % at the polls. But you & Dana P keep diluting yourself the “MAJORITY of Americans” are with you, and that Joe Biden is really beating President Trump 😉 is day I have ocean front property to sell you; however, such a comment is too close to the truth at this juncture. But you folks continue to enjoy ranting, spitting, chucking fecal matter, and “winning” while losing voter registration numbers like people fleeing a burning building.

  45. jerry 2019-09-14 21:52

    Nelson, who do you anticipate will be attacking you? Chubby hump’s Russian friends? Nobody hates you dude, you flatter yourself if you think that. You’re much too insignificant for hate. We all saw your % when you ran a statewide campaign… against a feller of questionable character. I felt pity for you when you were beaten like a pinata. I hate lentils, so there’s that.

  46. Dana P 2019-09-15 08:58

    Every time Stace types something, he continues to prove all of our points. Thank you Stace.

    Still no comments on Scalia? Scalia’s comments in Heller that guns CAN be regulated? No wait……in 3, 2, 1, Stace will attempt to distract and go off on some hell bent tangent about unrelated things. Still contributing no common sense solutions to reducing gun violence. Stace inserts, “worships Scalia” into me agreeing with the now deceased justice about his common sense and smart comments about gun regulation. You see Stace, many people know that we can balance the rights of gun ownership and self protection, while also understanding that weapons that can fire hundreds of bullets in a short amount of time should be regulated.

    The “Wallmart” in El Paso had many gun carrying customers. Just because you say “gun free zones” and they “contribute” to gun violence over and over again, doesn’t make it true. This has been proven to not be the case.

    While Stace and the other gun nuts keep re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic, most people are attempting to make life safer from gun nuts in this country.

  47. mike from iowa 2019-09-15 09:48

    White scumacyst preaching hate arrested with hit list that includes….wait for it, Nelson….wait….wait…wait….LEOS. Omg how could this be. These nutjobs with guns are regular nutjobs. Wouldn’t hurt a flea unless they could go full auto with an assault weapon.

    Pretty sure Nelson will claim no kinship whatsoever with these thugs except for the slavish love of weapons of mass human carnage.

  48. jerry 2019-09-15 10:48

    Chubby hump and the rest of corporate owners of slaves know full well that those automatic war weapons are not for anything other than to make the slaves think they have ownership in America…news flash, they don’t. They fool the slaves into thinking they have power, when all the slaves have is the emptiness of alcohol addiction, the escape with opioids along with the despair that it is not gonna get any better, so then they troll out their hate and anger while feeling all powerful with their war machine. Even the video lottery machines are against the slaves, money ain’t for nothing.

    There is no purpose for AR’s or AK’s other than to kill people. They were made for that purpose, only that purpose. No one wants to take hunting rifles or even pistols, for that matter. War machines have no place in a civil society. Chubby hump knows that as well and that is why any kind of weapon is not allowed on his property’s.

    If Nelson is so worried about his neighbors attacking him, he should build a bunker or better yet, did a foxhole and set up a perimeter…there, that will hold off those % of neighbors who make him feel all threatened. Next suggestion, get out of Pierre and stay the hell home to man that perimeter 24/7. Ya got work to do buddy, get after it. Your kind is not needed in government as you despise it so much you clearly are the cause of its dysfunction.

  49. Jenny 2019-09-15 12:24

    Oh come on people, leave Stace aloneness! I don’t understand how People can have such love 💕 for guns, but I looK at Stace and see the only elected leader in Pierre not afraid to vocalize and fight SDs corruption problem.
    (Keeping fighting Stace, put that Pierre Club in their place)

  50. Jenny 2019-09-15 12:25

    Leave Stace alone I meant

  51. o 2019-09-15 12:40

    Honest question: Stace (and for that matter any other pro-Second amendment legislator), how would you plan/suggest to curb gun violence so prevalent and unique to America? How do we get those irresponsible gun owners in-line?

    We have regulated fully-automatic weapons. Neither the Constitution nor the nations crumbled, but the use of those weapons in mass shootings has evaporated.

    I also question many (NOT Stace) advocates of Second Amendment rights, I believe most are not really advocating for national rights or any patriotic duty to stand up in a militia if needed for national defense, but most are really about a selfish individual interest to keep something they own. In fact if others lost the right, but they could keep theirs, they would be OK with that. Their “we” rhetoric disguises nothing more than selfish interest.

  52. jerry 2019-09-15 12:41

    What are South Dakota’s corruption problems that Nelson has solved? I vocalize against the corrupted dogs that my neighbors have, but they keep barking. Vocalizing is just another ploy to get elected, with nothing to show for it. What has Nelson done to unearth the killing of Benda and the real corruption of EB-5? Nelson is where the corruption begins, what has he done but talk loud and carry a big shtick?

  53. Jenny 2019-09-15 12:48

    Steve Dont let the old farts bother you. They are just Depressed old men that feel cheated in life.

  54. Jenny 2019-09-15 12:51

    I meant Stace (My fingers aren’t working today)

  55. jerry 2019-09-15 13:10

    So what are the corruption problems that Nelson solved? I am proud to be an old fart, makes me feel ripe.

  56. jerry 2019-09-15 13:24

    South Dakota legislators like Nelson, should take on chemical pesticide corporations. You know, the ones that monetarily support his old opponent, Mike Rounds. Pesticides are a cause of suicides. Farmers are already at risk with Chubby hump’s tariff trade war boondogle and now it is known that here is one more bullet in the magazine for more self destruction.

    “An estimated 150,000 people take their own lives every year by ingesting pesticides.

    The UN has called for tougher regulation to reduce the availability of these products”

    We here in South Dakota and the rest of the states, are not immune to this either.

    Less blather and more action.

  57. jerry 2019-09-15 13:29

    Meant to attach this, but am an old fart.

    “While most crops require the use of pesticides to survive and thrive, hemp is different. Once the crop is planted, it actually requires little attention from farmers. First, hemp simply has fewer pests than most crops.”

  58. Clyde 2019-09-15 20:35

    Well, Stace would never get my vote and the way he comes off in this discussion sounds downright wacky.

    Still, on the subject of guns I am somewhat torn. I own a bunch of them and have hunted all my life. However the last time I used a semi-auto for deer I was limited to a 5 round magazine. When it comes to shooting people in this country 30+ rounds is OK.

    Still, as I say, I am torn. Switzerland requires every able bodied citizen to be a conscript to the military and to keep the finest assault rifle made in the world in their home’s with a 1000 rounds of ammo for it. Of course all that military is for is to ensure that Switzerland remains a NEUTRAL country. I believe that Switzerland has the second highest standard of living in the world. I don’t think the armed populace and the wealth of the country are entirely a coincidence.

    Statistics I have seen in the past seem to show that though this country has one heck of a lot of guns they are in the hands of a smaller majority than one would expect. In other words the people that have gun’s have many.

    I have relatives in New Zealand and in that country strict gun laws did not prevent the massacre in Christchurch that happened not long ago. In NZ all guns are registered and the action’s are required to be kept locked away from the firearm. Guns are not banned and I have a cousin that has never bought meat in his life. He has kept meat on the table through hunting.

    Seems to me that something like NZ has could be workable. Either that or we need to raise local militia’s that train regularly and are fully armed just so that our government regains its fear of the populace and starts to do the bidding of the people once more.

    Remember, I’m a liberal!

  59. Debbo 2019-09-15 20:50

    Good comment Clyde. There are lots and lots of liberals like me and you that have no problem with guns for hunting.

    In a nation like NZ with its strict gun laws they did have that terrorist attack, but the number of people there who are shot over a year’s time is tiny compared to us. We’ve had so many domestic terrorist attacks we lose track of them– Sandy Hook, Las Vegas, Florida, Colorado, etc.

    My problem is with the guns that work well to slaughter lots of people fast. Whatever they’re called, I don’t think nonmilitary people should have them. If the only way we think we can get our government to truly represent us is by threat of shooting them, we’re lousy citizens.

    As citizens we can write and vote for amendments that change the entire, corrupting money dynamic, maybe make initiative and referendum nationwide, etc. What I’m saying is, there are alternatives to killing people to fix our government.

    I’m in complete agreement with you and probably the majority of citizens–our government definitely needs a complete overhaul.

  60. grudznick 2019-09-15 21:09

    Mr. Nelson is not only insaner than most, he is dangerously unbalanced with a hugely over-inflated sense of self-importance that is about to pop. Look at how he threatens people.

  61. Jenny 2019-09-16 00:50

    @grudz – yawn……..

  62. o 2019-09-16 09:18

    Clyde, NZ gun control did not stop Christchurch, but we cannot let perfection be the enemy of the good. In comparison, the US has has 283 mass shootings so far in the same year as Christchurch. I want that 283 to get to zero, but I’ll also advocate for efforts to bring 283 down ANY amount.

    I still want to point to the US regulating fully-automatic weapons (in 1986) and how that did not collapse society or the Second Amendment, AND effectively removed those weapons from mass shootings. Regulation, ownership, and safety can all be EFFECTIVELY addressed from non-absoluteist positions.

  63. mike from iowa 2019-09-16 13:14

    Hey Nelson, howz this for wingnuts ignoring the will of the people?

    A PerryUndem poll conducted last December found that 57 percent of voters thought Kavanaugh lied under oath, and 49 percent viewed him unfavorably (compared with 27 percent who viewed him favorably)

    Lying seems to be endemic to wingnuts.

  64. Roger Cornelius 2019-09-16 15:42

    Stace Nelson needs to take a few minutes of his day and read Dr. Newquist excellent blog on Northern Valley Beacon.

  65. Debbo 2019-09-16 17:18

    True Roger. Everyone should.

  66. bearcreekbat 2019-09-16 18:42

    I feel I owe Stace Nelson an apology. My comments seem to have angered and upset him and lead him to conclude that I was “lying” about him. For the record, I do not know Stace personally, I only know what I read or hear in the news about him as a legislator and what I read in his comments on DFP. Hence, I cannot say anything beyond what I read in those sources about the guns he owns, his motivations in owning guns, whether he is a brave soul or afraid of his shadow, nor anything else about him as a person. To the extent my comments lead Stace to conclude otherwise, I apologize as a have no standing to describe anything about Stace other than my perception of what he has written on DFP and of media stories that include him. When it comes to the guns he owns or the attitudes he privately holds, please rely on Stace, not me, for your information.

    I may be wrong (I have been wrong many times in my life) in my belief that the most vocal defenders of what are commonly referred to as assault weapons, whether or not that is a technically accurate term, is that these folks live in abject fear of others, especially government bogeymen. It seems to me that they are so frightened that they feel they must retain guns to be ready to kill if any government bogeyman attempts to enforce a law they object to, such as a law directing the confiscation of semi-automatic weapons. And if the confiscation policy is in fact a new law, such killing would constitute murder.

    And as I noted in an earlier comment, if I am wrong, then I fear that these people suffer a mental illness that makes them a danger to themselves and others. Either way, I have read no rational defense of guns (other than guns used for legal hunting) by Stace nor anyone else that doesn’t seem to embody either substantial fear of others or mental illness or both.

    And as an aside, I do not think anyone has advocated removing any type of weapon from law enforcement, only assault rifles and large magazines from the civilian population. And I agree with Roger and Debbo that all should read Dr. Newquist’s blog.

  67. mike from iowa 2019-09-16 19:05

    If memory serves, John Tsitrian is a former Marine who does not, for some inexplicable reason, feel the need to threaten physical violence against people that disagree with him.

    Apparently he must have missed that memo. Anyway, Nelson’s incessant referral to his service and awards is becoming a broken record, one that serves to turn people against his years of saving the world single handedly, or so it seems that way to me. He speaks like no one else has ever had the cojones to put on a uniform.

    I fear someday someone will take Nelson’s shooty gun and feed it to him to shut him up.

  68. grudznick 2019-09-16 19:28

    Mr. Mike, you are from Iowa so you probably don’t know this, but Mr. Nelson is a former Marine who spent years saving the world, highhandedly, and is a pretty big deal around here.

  69. Jenny 2019-09-16 20:24

    bearcreekbat, thank you for apologizing to Stace. If only everyone could be as kind as you. :)

  70. Debbo 2019-09-16 20:44

    I’m with BCB in that I’ve not heard a sensible reason why a civilian in the USA needs a gun that is intended for killing lots of people quickly.

    Conspiracy theories about “the government” coming for anyone’s guns are not a sensible or rational reason. Those are NRA invented fear mongering tropes created with the intention to sell more guns.

    A fearful populace is more easily manipulated, as the NRA/GOP has so unfortunately demonstrated.

  71. mike from iowa 2019-09-17 08:39

    Nelson’s spiel against bcb was totally uncalled for and just shows Nelson’s inability to discuss the merits of guns.

    Nelson should be known as bbb- belligerent bellicose bully.

  72. Clyde 2019-09-17 13:54

    o, I’m not aware of regulations against fully automatic weapons in 1986. As far as I know fully automatic weapons have been illegal all my life unless you held a special permit. I’m also quite sure that few of the mass shootings have been with anything other than semi-auto weapons.
    One must remember too that Americans are a little more uptight and crazy than NZ folks!

    Also wanted to mention that perhaps Americans have a reason to fear their government!?

    Still torn and liberal…

  73. mike from iowa 2019-09-17 14:22

    Clyde, this might be what O is talking about…..The domestic manufacture of new machine guns that civilians could purchase was effectively banned by language in the Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986 (also known as “McClure-Volkmer”).

  74. Roger Cornelius 2019-09-17 16:34

    mike from iowa, she is hardly a girl, she is of legal age.

  75. Debbo 2019-09-17 16:39

    That’s the first female I’m aware of. Hope it’s the last (not likely), because we sure don’t need any more white scumacysts trying to slaughter people.

    The article stated she had nazi symbols in her school locker.🤬🤬🤬

  76. jerry 2019-09-20 15:12

    Nelson, Beto was doing a public service to protect wannabee’s like you from getting killed with their gimmick AR15’s. The military doesn’t want them any more, Colt knows they are worthless and stopped making them. Everyone knows but someone who has never been under combat fire from a determined force.

    Here, here is a combat infantryman’s take on the gimmicky AR15 and what a good deal it would be for owners to trade that in for cash.

    Keep your hunting rifle and your shotguns, hell you can even keep your penis extension pistol. Toss the gimmick in the trash for cash.

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