Gov. Dennis Daugaard at National Governors Association meeting, Washington, D.C., Feb 2016
Daugaard is described by confidants as a thoughtful and pragmatic leader. He fought for the tax increases and sought to expand eligibility for Medicaid under former President Barack Obama’s health-care overhaul. He signed into law conservative priorities such as a 20-week abortion ban and giving legal protections to religious-affiliated adoption agencies that refuse to place children in certain households. He vetoed measures to expand gun rights and restrict which bathrooms transgender students could use at school.
“I’m sure there are some who see me as too conservative and some who see me as too liberal, and maybe that isn’t a bad spot to be in,” Daugaard said last year [James Nord, “Daugaard Looks Back on Tenure,” AP via Rapid City Journal, 2018.12.10].
Just curious: does any to the left of Stace Nelson and Lynne DiSanto see Dennis Daugaard as “too liberal”?
Saying that Governor Daugaard is somewhere between conservative and liberal is like saying Wall Drug is between Rapid City and Sioux Falls.
I see him as a caretaker governor. He didn’t have a real vision for the state, and he didn’t move SD forward – except in time. That’s really about it. As to his push to expand medicaid, he was against it for a couple of years before he was for it.
Rorschach
2018-12-10 07:19
And let’s not forget that he didn’t accomplish medicaid expansion. That’s a pretty important detail. Saying he fought for it implies that he was successful. After fighting against if for a couple of years he switched sides but didn’t get it done.
leslie
2018-12-10 07:42
Amen. Cruel. Patronizing. “Let tribes worry more about grandmother”. “I hate that” (safety net). Harney Peak” lover distrusts Indians so bites back w/ prohibitive geographical names Legislation. Hypocrite-nepotist. Strong-arm Power. Crony protector/ignored oversight/enabled fraud-EB5, MCEC/ Gearup. Usurper of Spearfish Canyon. Basically a Redneck in a suit.
jerry
2018-12-10 07:57
Dennis did a great job of keeping the heat off the criminal enterprises called EB5 and Gear-Up. His administration was firmly in the middle of the road…blocking it. He is a carbon copy of what we have seen here for 40 years..an empty suit. Now, we are gonna get another 4, this time with an empty head.
Alan F
2018-12-10 08:46
I remember his 10% cuts to education in 2012 and the damage it did to our schools. It will take a long time to dig out of that hole.
OldSarg
2018-12-10 09:55
All of you are such great judges of other men whilst living lives of no accomplishment. You folks would complain about Jesus not saving everyone. . .
jerry
2018-12-10 09:55
Alan F, how about the nursing home cuts that the benevolent Denny did?
MJK
2018-12-10 10:04
I don’t see any memorable legacy here with this Governor. The next one coming up I will be in despair and be even less elated.
Rorschach
2018-12-10 11:35
Do you have any comments on Gov. Daugaard, OldSarg?
Roger Cornelius
2018-12-10 11:45
The beauty of our democracy is that the electorate have a right and an obligation to “judge” politicians regardless of our life circumstances.
bearcreekbat
2018-12-10 11:49
Rorshach, I am always a bit amazed at OldSarg’s ability to comment about and evaluate the lifetime accomplishments of every commenter who he disagrees with here on DFP. His comments suggest that he has an uncanny sense of the numerous failures of so many private indivudals he has never met. Perhaps his negative assessments of people he does not know anything about are simply a reflection of his own projected self-image.
As for his opinion of Daugaard’s tenure, my guess is a knee jerk “opposite” of the opinions of Cory, you and most other DFP commenters.
Donald Pay
2018-12-10 11:50
In South Dakota terms, I’d say he was a moderate conservative. I do respect his efforts to increase teacher pay, but that policy is doomed as long as the elite control things. In theory they like increasing teacher pay, as long as the poor and middle class pay the entire freight. You have to have an income tax to make any progress on teacher pay, and the elite won’t allow that.
Dumbest thing he tried to do was sneak nuclear waste into the state via the shale project and the borehole project.
Second dumbest: the Gilt Edge Superfund Site corruption. Again a largely quiet effort at putting a foreign company in charge of this DENR eff-up. The dirty and water boys got snookered. AGAIN.
jerry
2018-12-10 12:26
Always get ready for Lone Tree, “Had everything gone according to the plans of a Colorado entrepreneur named Hunter Swanson, the Burlington Northern Railroad the and waste-disposal giant Browning-Ferris Industries, a visitor heading south of town would see a stream of rail cars hauling bales of trash from around the nation to a modern, federally approved landfill” New York Times 11/22/1992
We all should be aware that China has refused to take on any more of our trash of which there are millions of tons of with no place to dump it. The borehole was one thing that was damned near accomplished, so we must be vigilant of another try at something like this. There is just enough corruption and money involved with these kinds of things that make republican politicos wet themselves.
Ror gets me thinking: Daugaard’s failure to expand Medicaid is perhaps a bigger failure than Donald Trump’s failure to get most of his agenda through his Republican Congress. Daugaard came into his second term with over 70% of the popular vote, an overwhelming mandate. The Legislature was already a weak creature, and Daugaard’s arm-twisting along with the election of increasingly inexperienced and spineless legislators made it even weaker. Every Democrat would have supported Medicaid expansion, and while we Dems don’t count for much, that’s still a chunk of his own caucus Daugaard wouldn’t have had to persuade.
And the persuading on this bill would have been easier than the 2016 teacher pay bill. Daugaard had Sanford and Avera on his side; their lobbyists alone probably would have guaranteed a majority of GOP votes for Medicaid expansion. Plus, Medicaid expansion offered an immediate fiscal boost that the 2016 teacher pay plan could not: in 2016, Daugaard had to fight to eke out the bare 2/3 majority needed in the House to increase taxes for a teacher pay raise that would not show any significant sign of economic stimulus or revenue gains. Medicaid expansion paid for itself and promised thousands of new jobs and hundreds of millions in economic activity immediately.
Daugaard chose not to push Medicaid expansion, an plan that on practical points should have been an easier push than teacher pay. Even if it had been an equally hard push, Dennis Daugaard had political capital to spare for such a push.
[OS, your gratuitous insult adds no knowledge to the discussion and is based on zero knowledge: you do not the full accomplishments of any person in this conversation, just as we have no knowledge of your accomplishments. Your and our accomplishments are irrelevant to evaluating Dennis Daugaard’s performance. Please apologize and stick with the facts.]
Rorschach
2018-12-10 13:03
Yes, bearcreekbat. OldSarg’s comments sound a lot like those of Sen. Stace Nelson. We should introduce those two. I have a feeling they have a lot in common.
96Tears
2018-12-10 13:16
Compared to the nutjobs that fill our legislature, Daugaard benefits somewhat. And to be charitable, Rounds handed him a crap sandwich having fostered the corrupt climate that allowed EB-5 and GEAR UP to produce millions in ill-gotten dollars to crooks. Part of Billie Sutton’s support was due to the truth finally settling into the minds of Republicans that Pierre is a ridiculously corrupt village, and that nothing will change unless big changes are made in leadership.
Alas, as 2018 ends we look forward to the further decline of our state government into the septic tank of despair as Kristi Noem and Jason Ravnsborg are sworn into office. If you thought EB-5 and GEAR UP were bad, folks, you ain’t seen nothing yet. Just keep in mind that Rounds is on the ballot in 2020. It might be an interesting election cycle after all.
OldSarg
2018-12-10 13:18
Cory, there was no insult there. I spoke a fact. Look at the comments on every one of your articles. Every article and comment just tears people apart. There is no respect or even acknowledgment of a job “just done”, much less done well. . . Your followers have poisoned themselves mentally and you are partially responsible for that poisoning. Your followers see the positive in nothing. This is also what is destroying your future in politics and I think you should have a bright future holding office one day. You need to change. Think about it, whereas so many of your followers are just chasing your hate wagon down the road I am trying to put you on the road to success. Just stop your hating on everything and everyone. Heck, it’s almost Christmas. Give up the Grinch routine. . .
grudznick
2018-12-10 13:49
Mr. OldSarg, that is one of your keenest observations.
Jenny
2018-12-10 14:11
Daugaard is aGeorge Herbert Walker Bush kind of Republican. He wants to portray a very nice Kinder and gentler message, but meanwhile on his watch some of the greatest corruption has ever happened in South Dakota in staye government And he acted like Nothing happened! That’s what ticks me off about the South Dakota GOP. Stace Nelson is the only republican that really gives a damn when it comes to the corruption in state government.
I think Daugaard is likeable enough And he was absolutely correct to veto that Potty bill. The comment above that he is a caretaker I agree it worse because GOP governors and South Dakota never want to rock the boat and always just keep things the way they are.
Jenny
2018-12-10 14:13
That last comment I made was I meant to say that I agree that GOP governors are just caretakers and never really work hard to change the problems that South Dakota has.
happy camper
2018-12-10 15:09
One of the attractions to the “Intellectual Dark Web” are the civil conversations held between people of differing opinions. Posters here have the luxury of pseudonymously, over-the-top posts egg people to new heights. I was thinking about Fred Deutsch he doesn’t wake up every morning thinking how can I screw up a transgenders today. You have to be able to sit down and communicate not just criticize. Invite people for discussion. The legitimate criticism of Progressives, imo and many others, you have to buy it all hook, line and sinker or you are demonized. That just isn’t going to happen in South Dakota so you can stay in a bubble or choose to really listen and get to know people with differing opinions. My old liberal friends show fundamental intolerance toward diversity of thought over the nation’s issues in the last three or four years. Dave Rubin, people like that, have been a breath of fresh air to open up conversations, not close them down. Madville Times used to be that breath of fresh air when it was more about the issues, not the politics. Every political loss seems to drive this blog deeper into a corner rather than toward the middle.
Roger Cornelius
2018-12-10 15:13
Cory doesn’t need to change, if he did change I would no longer follow and post on his blog.
If anyone needs to change it is Grudz and Old Sarge, their kind of thinking continues to keep South Dakota in the Dark Ages with mediocre governors like Dauggard and Rounds.
South Dakota needs to cull the herd of republicans like Old Sarge and Grudz. Hopefully the 2020 election will bring on more of the 2016 Blue Wave. I have faith that even South Dakota can change its stripes.
happy camper
2018-12-10 15:44
But but but, could you be wrong Roger? Is that even a possibility? You’re showing how rigid you are, and oh, I have to apologize for not giving The Deb Disclaimer: Not All. That gets you off the hook for the sin of stereotyping.
Roger Cornelius
2018-12-10 16:26
Happy Camper, Absolutely I could be wrong and probably am after observing and participating in over 50 years of politics.
Perhaps I have grown “rigid” after watching so much waste and corruption in state government.
My faith in the progressive movement remains strong and somewhat rigid. I do listen to other peoples ideas and read even more.
There isn’t a need for me to stereotype, most people that post here reveal their politics and show how “rigid” they are.
mike from iowa
2018-12-10 17:03
Every political loss seems to drive this blog deeper into a corner rather than toward the middle.
You are certainly free to find anew home. Don’t let the door hit you where someone split you.
Must be something or someone out there to put a smile on yer face. keep looking. Don’t worry. Be happy.
But, never ever give a wingnut an inch. They take that as capitulation on yer part and stomp all over you.
happy camper
2018-12-10 17:55
In something else I do I watch investments and am amazed by people who have made a decision, the extreme being Bitcoin. They were certain it would replace fiat money, that it would go to $50,000 a coin then later to $250,000. It did go to a spike of around $20,000, now it’s deflating towards $3,000. In conversations with enthusiasts one would try to say there’s no intrinsic value, there’s no government backing, or barriers to entry such skepticism was met with vitriol but more logically wouldn’t that person want to hear threats to his investment even encourage them why would he only want to hear he is right when differing opinions might save him from financial loss. I see that in politics as well tell me what makes me feel good but people can disagree without pulling out the shotgun. If I’m wrong tell me I’m standing on the railroad tracks, but don’t tell me what I want to hear.
grudznick
2018-12-10 20:29
If Sioux Falls is libbie and Rapid City is conservative, then Mr. Daugaard is perhaps Wasta with everybody west of Box Elder being insaner than most. Mr. H, you are at Hartford with Ms. Wismer living in Brandon.
grudznick
2018-12-10 20:31
Mr. C, you of all people know that I am a past president of the Conservatives with Common Sense and advocated for Mr. Seiler to win the elections. And, as you have heard me speech about at breakfast, I am no fan of Mr. Trump at all. I am saddened you want to cull me from the thundering and stampeding herd.
grudznick
2018-12-10 20:38
Mr. camper, you also make more than your usual share of sense tonight. Or perhaps you are always this point-on and I am having a moment of clarity in my normally muddled thinking but golly, sir, you’re the spot on the point tonight.
Roger Cornelius
2018-12-10 20:54
grudz
One more time and hopefully the last, I don’t have a clue who you are and am not familiar with this thing you call Conservatives with Common Sense.
Grudz, you lie and exaggerate as much as Trump.
grudznick
2018-12-10 21:32
Mr. C, I saw you, or at least I thought it was you, lurking in the back a few weeks ago just as breakfast was being served. Perhaps it was not you after all.
happy camper
2018-12-10 21:43
We always have to doubt including ourselves especially that’s how we grow.
Roger Cornelius
2018-12-10 21:50
grudz
I have never been known to lurk anywhere, that is not my style, so alas, it must have been a figment of your active Imagination.
grudznick
2018-12-10 22:26
You’re righter than right again, Mr. C. You are not a skulker about the shadows, as the young man who resembled you was; you are a sit-down-front-and-ask-questions sort of fellow, which I’ve always liked about you.
Rorschach
2018-12-10 22:55
I’m impressed with the quality of discussion on this thread, though nothing is on topic.
Rorschach
2018-12-10 23:02
And since we’re mostly off topic, let me throw out there for grudz – who doesn’t like President Trump – that I don’t like Elizabeth Warren. How does this argument stand up in debate, Cory:
I’m Native American because 1 unidentifiable person out of 1024 ancestors in the 10th generation back in my family may have been Native American. We don’t know if that person was man or woman let alone what tribe they were in, but I’m Native American because I have his/her cheekbones.
I really can’t believe that we’re actually here talking about this ridiculous argument.
I am disgusted that we get more comments about ourselves than about serious analysis of Dennis Daugaard’s legacy. Gee, thanks a lot for following OS down his desired distraction hole.
:-(
leslie
2018-12-11 08:11
In Poland coal country the world climate conference Trump sent a spokesperson to tout fossil fuel. He was heckled. The world IS laughing at the USA, fulfilling TRUMP’S repeated assertions. This seems to be a recurring problem. Our GOP president is not fit for office
. Here in Thune/Rounds Country where Politicians fear TRUMP, CAFO manure application on prematurely frozen soil is failing as weather is swinging wildly. NO ACTION TO ARREST CLIMATE CHANGE is occurring because GOP is owned by deniers. In every parking lot in the state $70,000 diesel pickups are never shut off, just like every diesel locomotive runs 24/7. And our young soldiers are off fighting to defend fossil fuels. And Dusty’s buddy Maria will plead guilty to spying tomorrow. But Daugaard is proud
. Just wait until Kristi and Jason inflict their incompetence on SD farmers like Trump is doing. GOP leadership! You voted for it; You deserve it.
leslie
2018-12-11 09:18
Tidemann ignored subpeona rules for Daugaard/Rounds. McConnell, with Thune staring over his shoulder, BEFORE TRUMP, ignored advice and consent for Neil Gorsuch. Consequences, consequences. Despite what Fox/Murdoch tells you Republicans every day. Sean Hanity the spinner. MOR? Its a con Denny.
Debbo
2018-12-11 21:30
“giving legal protections to religious-affiliated adoption agencies that refuse to place children in certain households.”
That one was real brainless too. I’m sure the children eager to be adopted are very happy that Daugard needlessly decreased the pool of possible parents.
I think “caretaker” is an apt descriptor. Just more of the same, doing as the Kochs and Pootie ordered.
I see him as a caretaker governor. He didn’t have a real vision for the state, and he didn’t move SD forward – except in time. That’s really about it. As to his push to expand medicaid, he was against it for a couple of years before he was for it.
And let’s not forget that he didn’t accomplish medicaid expansion. That’s a pretty important detail. Saying he fought for it implies that he was successful. After fighting against if for a couple of years he switched sides but didn’t get it done.
Amen. Cruel. Patronizing. “Let tribes worry more about grandmother”. “I hate that” (safety net). Harney Peak” lover distrusts Indians so bites back w/ prohibitive geographical names Legislation. Hypocrite-nepotist. Strong-arm Power. Crony protector/ignored oversight/enabled fraud-EB5, MCEC/ Gearup. Usurper of Spearfish Canyon. Basically a Redneck in a suit.
Dennis did a great job of keeping the heat off the criminal enterprises called EB5 and Gear-Up. His administration was firmly in the middle of the road…blocking it. He is a carbon copy of what we have seen here for 40 years..an empty suit. Now, we are gonna get another 4, this time with an empty head.
I remember his 10% cuts to education in 2012 and the damage it did to our schools. It will take a long time to dig out of that hole.
All of you are such great judges of other men whilst living lives of no accomplishment. You folks would complain about Jesus not saving everyone. . .
Alan F, how about the nursing home cuts that the benevolent Denny did?
I don’t see any memorable legacy here with this Governor. The next one coming up I will be in despair and be even less elated.
Do you have any comments on Gov. Daugaard, OldSarg?
The beauty of our democracy is that the electorate have a right and an obligation to “judge” politicians regardless of our life circumstances.
Rorshach, I am always a bit amazed at OldSarg’s ability to comment about and evaluate the lifetime accomplishments of every commenter who he disagrees with here on DFP. His comments suggest that he has an uncanny sense of the numerous failures of so many private indivudals he has never met. Perhaps his negative assessments of people he does not know anything about are simply a reflection of his own projected self-image.
As for his opinion of Daugaard’s tenure, my guess is a knee jerk “opposite” of the opinions of Cory, you and most other DFP commenters.
In South Dakota terms, I’d say he was a moderate conservative. I do respect his efforts to increase teacher pay, but that policy is doomed as long as the elite control things. In theory they like increasing teacher pay, as long as the poor and middle class pay the entire freight. You have to have an income tax to make any progress on teacher pay, and the elite won’t allow that.
Dumbest thing he tried to do was sneak nuclear waste into the state via the shale project and the borehole project.
Second dumbest: the Gilt Edge Superfund Site corruption. Again a largely quiet effort at putting a foreign company in charge of this DENR eff-up. The dirty and water boys got snookered. AGAIN.
Always get ready for Lone Tree, “Had everything gone according to the plans of a Colorado entrepreneur named Hunter Swanson, the Burlington Northern Railroad the and waste-disposal giant Browning-Ferris Industries, a visitor heading south of town would see a stream of rail cars hauling bales of trash from around the nation to a modern, federally approved landfill” New York Times 11/22/1992
We all should be aware that China has refused to take on any more of our trash of which there are millions of tons of with no place to dump it. The borehole was one thing that was damned near accomplished, so we must be vigilant of another try at something like this. There is just enough corruption and money involved with these kinds of things that make republican politicos wet themselves.
Ror gets me thinking: Daugaard’s failure to expand Medicaid is perhaps a bigger failure than Donald Trump’s failure to get most of his agenda through his Republican Congress. Daugaard came into his second term with over 70% of the popular vote, an overwhelming mandate. The Legislature was already a weak creature, and Daugaard’s arm-twisting along with the election of increasingly inexperienced and spineless legislators made it even weaker. Every Democrat would have supported Medicaid expansion, and while we Dems don’t count for much, that’s still a chunk of his own caucus Daugaard wouldn’t have had to persuade.
And the persuading on this bill would have been easier than the 2016 teacher pay bill. Daugaard had Sanford and Avera on his side; their lobbyists alone probably would have guaranteed a majority of GOP votes for Medicaid expansion. Plus, Medicaid expansion offered an immediate fiscal boost that the 2016 teacher pay plan could not: in 2016, Daugaard had to fight to eke out the bare 2/3 majority needed in the House to increase taxes for a teacher pay raise that would not show any significant sign of economic stimulus or revenue gains. Medicaid expansion paid for itself and promised thousands of new jobs and hundreds of millions in economic activity immediately.
Daugaard chose not to push Medicaid expansion, an plan that on practical points should have been an easier push than teacher pay. Even if it had been an equally hard push, Dennis Daugaard had political capital to spare for such a push.
[OS, your gratuitous insult adds no knowledge to the discussion and is based on zero knowledge: you do not the full accomplishments of any person in this conversation, just as we have no knowledge of your accomplishments. Your and our accomplishments are irrelevant to evaluating Dennis Daugaard’s performance. Please apologize and stick with the facts.]
Yes, bearcreekbat. OldSarg’s comments sound a lot like those of Sen. Stace Nelson. We should introduce those two. I have a feeling they have a lot in common.
Compared to the nutjobs that fill our legislature, Daugaard benefits somewhat. And to be charitable, Rounds handed him a crap sandwich having fostered the corrupt climate that allowed EB-5 and GEAR UP to produce millions in ill-gotten dollars to crooks. Part of Billie Sutton’s support was due to the truth finally settling into the minds of Republicans that Pierre is a ridiculously corrupt village, and that nothing will change unless big changes are made in leadership.
Alas, as 2018 ends we look forward to the further decline of our state government into the septic tank of despair as Kristi Noem and Jason Ravnsborg are sworn into office. If you thought EB-5 and GEAR UP were bad, folks, you ain’t seen nothing yet. Just keep in mind that Rounds is on the ballot in 2020. It might be an interesting election cycle after all.
Cory, there was no insult there. I spoke a fact. Look at the comments on every one of your articles. Every article and comment just tears people apart. There is no respect or even acknowledgment of a job “just done”, much less done well. . . Your followers have poisoned themselves mentally and you are partially responsible for that poisoning. Your followers see the positive in nothing. This is also what is destroying your future in politics and I think you should have a bright future holding office one day. You need to change. Think about it, whereas so many of your followers are just chasing your hate wagon down the road I am trying to put you on the road to success. Just stop your hating on everything and everyone. Heck, it’s almost Christmas. Give up the Grinch routine. . .
Mr. OldSarg, that is one of your keenest observations.
Daugaard is aGeorge Herbert Walker Bush kind of Republican. He wants to portray a very nice Kinder and gentler message, but meanwhile on his watch some of the greatest corruption has ever happened in South Dakota in staye government And he acted like Nothing happened! That’s what ticks me off about the South Dakota GOP. Stace Nelson is the only republican that really gives a damn when it comes to the corruption in state government.
I think Daugaard is likeable enough And he was absolutely correct to veto that Potty bill. The comment above that he is a caretaker I agree it worse because GOP governors and South Dakota never want to rock the boat and always just keep things the way they are.
That last comment I made was I meant to say that I agree that GOP governors are just caretakers and never really work hard to change the problems that South Dakota has.
One of the attractions to the “Intellectual Dark Web” are the civil conversations held between people of differing opinions. Posters here have the luxury of pseudonymously, over-the-top posts egg people to new heights. I was thinking about Fred Deutsch he doesn’t wake up every morning thinking how can I screw up a transgenders today. You have to be able to sit down and communicate not just criticize. Invite people for discussion. The legitimate criticism of Progressives, imo and many others, you have to buy it all hook, line and sinker or you are demonized. That just isn’t going to happen in South Dakota so you can stay in a bubble or choose to really listen and get to know people with differing opinions. My old liberal friends show fundamental intolerance toward diversity of thought over the nation’s issues in the last three or four years. Dave Rubin, people like that, have been a breath of fresh air to open up conversations, not close them down. Madville Times used to be that breath of fresh air when it was more about the issues, not the politics. Every political loss seems to drive this blog deeper into a corner rather than toward the middle.
Cory doesn’t need to change, if he did change I would no longer follow and post on his blog.
If anyone needs to change it is Grudz and Old Sarge, their kind of thinking continues to keep South Dakota in the Dark Ages with mediocre governors like Dauggard and Rounds.
South Dakota needs to cull the herd of republicans like Old Sarge and Grudz. Hopefully the 2020 election will bring on more of the 2016 Blue Wave. I have faith that even South Dakota can change its stripes.
But but but, could you be wrong Roger? Is that even a possibility? You’re showing how rigid you are, and oh, I have to apologize for not giving The Deb Disclaimer: Not All. That gets you off the hook for the sin of stereotyping.
Happy Camper, Absolutely I could be wrong and probably am after observing and participating in over 50 years of politics.
Perhaps I have grown “rigid” after watching so much waste and corruption in state government.
My faith in the progressive movement remains strong and somewhat rigid. I do listen to other peoples ideas and read even more.
There isn’t a need for me to stereotype, most people that post here reveal their politics and show how “rigid” they are.
Every political loss seems to drive this blog deeper into a corner rather than toward the middle.
You are certainly free to find anew home. Don’t let the door hit you where someone split you.
Must be something or someone out there to put a smile on yer face. keep looking. Don’t worry. Be happy.
But, never ever give a wingnut an inch. They take that as capitulation on yer part and stomp all over you.
In something else I do I watch investments and am amazed by people who have made a decision, the extreme being Bitcoin. They were certain it would replace fiat money, that it would go to $50,000 a coin then later to $250,000. It did go to a spike of around $20,000, now it’s deflating towards $3,000. In conversations with enthusiasts one would try to say there’s no intrinsic value, there’s no government backing, or barriers to entry such skepticism was met with vitriol but more logically wouldn’t that person want to hear threats to his investment even encourage them why would he only want to hear he is right when differing opinions might save him from financial loss. I see that in politics as well tell me what makes me feel good but people can disagree without pulling out the shotgun. If I’m wrong tell me I’m standing on the railroad tracks, but don’t tell me what I want to hear.
If Sioux Falls is libbie and Rapid City is conservative, then Mr. Daugaard is perhaps Wasta with everybody west of Box Elder being insaner than most. Mr. H, you are at Hartford with Ms. Wismer living in Brandon.
Mr. C, you of all people know that I am a past president of the Conservatives with Common Sense and advocated for Mr. Seiler to win the elections. And, as you have heard me speech about at breakfast, I am no fan of Mr. Trump at all. I am saddened you want to cull me from the thundering and stampeding herd.
Mr. camper, you also make more than your usual share of sense tonight. Or perhaps you are always this point-on and I am having a moment of clarity in my normally muddled thinking but golly, sir, you’re the spot on the point tonight.
grudz
One more time and hopefully the last, I don’t have a clue who you are and am not familiar with this thing you call Conservatives with Common Sense.
Grudz, you lie and exaggerate as much as Trump.
Mr. C, I saw you, or at least I thought it was you, lurking in the back a few weeks ago just as breakfast was being served. Perhaps it was not you after all.
We always have to doubt including ourselves especially that’s how we grow.
grudz
I have never been known to lurk anywhere, that is not my style, so alas, it must have been a figment of your active Imagination.
You’re righter than right again, Mr. C. You are not a skulker about the shadows, as the young man who resembled you was; you are a sit-down-front-and-ask-questions sort of fellow, which I’ve always liked about you.
I’m impressed with the quality of discussion on this thread, though nothing is on topic.
And since we’re mostly off topic, let me throw out there for grudz – who doesn’t like President Trump – that I don’t like Elizabeth Warren. How does this argument stand up in debate, Cory:
I’m Native American because 1 unidentifiable person out of 1024 ancestors in the 10th generation back in my family may have been Native American. We don’t know if that person was man or woman let alone what tribe they were in, but I’m Native American because I have his/her cheekbones.
I really can’t believe that we’re actually here talking about this ridiculous argument.
I am disgusted that we get more comments about ourselves than about serious analysis of Dennis Daugaard’s legacy. Gee, thanks a lot for following OS down his desired distraction hole.
:-(
In Poland coal country the world climate conference Trump sent a spokesperson to tout fossil fuel. He was heckled. The world IS laughing at the USA, fulfilling TRUMP’S repeated assertions. This seems to be a recurring problem. Our GOP president is not fit for office
. Here in Thune/Rounds Country where Politicians fear TRUMP, CAFO manure application on prematurely frozen soil is failing as weather is swinging wildly. NO ACTION TO ARREST CLIMATE CHANGE is occurring because GOP is owned by deniers. In every parking lot in the state $70,000 diesel pickups are never shut off, just like every diesel locomotive runs 24/7. And our young soldiers are off fighting to defend fossil fuels. And Dusty’s buddy Maria will plead guilty to spying tomorrow. But Daugaard is proud
. Just wait until Kristi and Jason inflict their incompetence on SD farmers like Trump is doing. GOP leadership! You voted for it; You deserve it.
Tidemann ignored subpeona rules for Daugaard/Rounds. McConnell, with Thune staring over his shoulder, BEFORE TRUMP, ignored advice and consent for Neil Gorsuch. Consequences, consequences. Despite what Fox/Murdoch tells you Republicans every day. Sean Hanity the spinner. MOR? Its a con Denny.
“giving legal protections to religious-affiliated adoption agencies that refuse to place children in certain households.”
That one was real brainless too. I’m sure the children eager to be adopted are very happy that Daugard needlessly decreased the pool of possible parents.
I think “caretaker” is an apt descriptor. Just more of the same, doing as the Kochs and Pootie ordered.