Lori Walsh wasted public resources yesterday by giving Neal Tapio 34 minutes to word-saladify about June Cleaver gender roles, the inability of Bernie Sanders rallygoers to understand profit, and—predictably—the need for all of our Muslim friends to denounce their religion.
Walsh made up for her error by interrupting Tapio’s diatribe about Islam’s inescapable incompatibility with American values and posing this one penetrating question:
So doesn’t that Constitution then and the rule of law in America sort of protect American Muslims and protect American Christians and American atheists from a crime such as “We will kill you if you leave our religion”? I mean, once you’re in America and you live here, you’re living under Constitutional law, and if you violate that… you’re subject to the rule of law [Lori Walsh, interviewing Neal Tapio, SDPB Radio, 2018.04.23, audio #2, timestamp 7:58].
Tapio never answered that question. He diverted to Egypt. Walsh reminded him we’re not in Egypt and tried to pose her question again. Tapio again diverted, avoiding an answer about the greatest, surest protection we have against religious extremism of any flavor: our Constitution, particularly the First Amendment and its robust separation of church and state.
Neal won’t listen to Lori or me, because he’s oh-too-proudly annotating his Koran and proving that all Muslims are liars, plotters, and killers. But I’ll reiterate a point I’ve made many times and am happy to have Lori Walsh join me in making again: as long as we believe in the Constitution and American democratic pluralism, we don’t have to worry about Sharia law.
Our Constitution guarantees that no religious extremists can hijack our laws to force their cultish quirks on all Americans. Our adherence to the rule of secular law means no one may be fined or exiled, let alone killed, as Tapio constantly frets, for going or not going to church or temple or mosque or sweat lodge. We are safe, and all people of good faith can recognize that our values keep all of us safe.
Tapio has no faith in America’s laws or America’s values to keep us safe. Tapio preaches that we can only protect our laws and values by oppressing and excluding people with different beliefs and practices.
Tapio whinged to Walsh about how we must understand (audio #2, ~10:50) “the pathway to radicalization.”
That pathway is Tapio’s radicalizing politics. Tapio’s radicalizing politics, slamming the door instead of extending America’s hand, makes those who are different hate us. Tapio’s radicalizing politics supports the terrorists’ point—America’s values are just words! America does not respect your religion or your culture! America fears you and hates you!—and helps the terrorists win. By radicalizing fearful white Americans into a Hollywood-style (i.e., epic and fictitious) war to save civilization, Tapio makes it easier for the next odd bin Laden or al-Baghdadi to convert into terrorists the young people disillusioned by the Trumpist perversion of America.
Be better than that, Neal. Listen to Lori. Stop believing in bogeymen. Believe in America. Lori and I do.
It bogs my old, feeble mind why people keep giving Mr. Tapio forums from which he can launch his missives or talk about him at all. Unless perhaps the Public Broadcasting is in league with government officials to give Mr. Tapio enough rope to noose himself up and he fell for the trick.
When you say “the need for all of our Muslim friends to denounce their religion” are you talking about its political side or its judicial side?
Why is it that Sharia Law resembles so much of Trump’s agenda?
It’s people like Tapio who are creating the most murderous terrorists this country has seen since 9/11. That would be white American males. Those are the people he radicalized, just like the latest one and the guy before that and before that. That baseless fear mongering creating monsters where they don’t exist, that is radicalizing the white American male terrorists who are shooting up our country at such a devastating rate.
Grudz and I are on the same wavelength again. It’s getting to be a habit.
I wondered about this when the media was giving Trump wall-to-wall coverage to spew hate and rant. Tapio deserves zero ink and zero electrons. Let him rant in some barely educated pastor’s church basement entertaining a congregation of drooling idiots. We don’t need to have this guy’s hate-filled spew dirtying up the public’s airwaves.
There goes Debbo again, generalizing over a hundred million people based on their immutable characteristics. I know that you think because you aren’t a white male that you are immune from being prejudicial, but you are the most obvious bigot I have seen on this blog.
Your hypocrisy is frankly stunning. You cry and throw-up about the treatment of people based on race or gender, and then spread your own hate based on race and gender. Read this part carefully: you are exactly the same as the racist and sexist people you think you are fighting against – you just happen to be you, so you think you couldn’t possibly be “one of them,” but you are.
There doesn’t seem to be anything prejudicial, bigoted, or hypocritical with Debbo’s comment.
She merely pointed out that most of the domestic terrorist attacks in this country are committed by white males, and she would be correct.
Debbo is also correct in pointing out the obvious fear that Tapio and those like him promote to justify their hate of Muslims.
I stand by Debbo.
Toronto terrorist belongs to a group called Incel-involuntary celibate-with the same respect for females that Drumpf oozes.
Ryan goes where angels fear to tread – trolling Debbo. My money is on Debbo in this fight.
Roger, that’s not what she said.
Mike, that’s not what trolling is.
I suspect that most folks recognize that not everyone belonging to a group behaves, or even thinks, in the exact same way. Stereotyping suggests otherwise, and the groups stereotyped in today’s language are fairly well known.
I interpreted debbo’s comment using the term “white” as a shortcut to obviate the need to say not black, not muslim, not mexican and not any other particular stereotyped group that tend to be blamed for the actions of members of that group. Hence, I could be wrong but didn’t read the comment as a stereotyping of whites.
If the comment was intended to stereotype whites, however, I would agree with Ryan. Stereotyping adds no information to the inquiry and can be harmful to those stereotyped.
bear,
How would you frame Debbo’s comment about “white terrorists”?
Ryan
What exactly did Debbo say, according to you?
My apologies to Debbo for misquoting her.
Debbo did not say “white terrorists”, she said “white American males”, with that being said, Debbo is still correct.
Ryan …. buddy. Why do you feel a need to group yourself with all white people? It’s not a zero sum game. USA isn’t a success pole where white people are pushed down when Indian people get further up the pole. When black players take a knee to protest the murder of unarmed black men by police it doesn’t mean they’re taking anything away from you. When bigots, racists and white supremacists are called out for radicalization of white mass murderers it’s not about you. Unless … you consider yourself among that group of bigots, racists and white supremacacists. Do you, Ryan?
Ryan, it’s Statistics, Numbers, not Opinion.
Since 9/11/2001 white American males have killed more people in this country than anyone else. By far. I arrived at that conclusion by Counting. Thats the same way the FBI got there. And every other law enforcement agency. They added up numbers and the conclusion was clear– white American males are the most dangerous group in America.
The acts fit the definition of Terrorism, therefore the perpetrators are Terrorists.
My conclusion is no different than if I said women are responsible for the majority of child rearing in America. Numbers, statistics, lead to that inescapable conclusion.
Good lord but you’re twitchy when it comes to your gender.
What Porter said. 👍
I’m throwing the B.S. flag, again. Im not ignorant to statistics. I’m not talking about or challenging the presentation of facts. I’m talking about Debbo’s not-very-subtle attitude.
“…the most murderous terrorists…” “That would be white american males. Those are the people…”
That’s not a presentation of facts, that sounds like an accusation of a whole population. If you all think that white males being statistically more likely to commit a mass shooting makes it OK to generalize them all, you’re as backwards as Debbo.
Here Ryan, I found some help for you, 2 resources that could really be helpful to all of us.
“100 Ways White People Can Make Life Less Frustrating For People of Color”
https://goo.gl/KuSMVk
“100 Easy Ways to Make Women’s Lives More Bearable”
https://goo.gl/WtYFt4
Now I’m going to offer one unasked for piece of advice to you Ryan:
You need to stop personalyzing every single word. One part of being a member of the dominant group, even though by accident of birth, is that you don’t get to carry on about being picked on because you’re not.
And no, I wouldn’t say that to Roger or Jenny or other POC or women. Read those two articles I linked to. READ them and BELIEVE them. You’ll be happier.
Debbo,
Why is ‘white privilege’ dancing around in my head’?
I can’t imagine Roger. 🤔
Keep supporting double standards if you want to, I don’t take it as personally as you like to think. Just keep in mind that you are absolutely full of crap. To the brim. You justify being full of crap the same ways as everyone else spouting phony versions of equality tainted with hate for millions of people you don’t know.
Cory,
I can’t believe you haven’t posted about Candace Owens?.
Do you disagree with her?
Jason really needs to start his own blog.
Apparently, Roger doesn’t care what a black woman says.
Apparently Roger doesn’t care what Jason says.
Once again Jason tries to distract from the topic at hand by hijacking Cory’s post to talk about Candace Owens.
Start your own blog, Jason, and you can talk about whatever you want.
Porter, I’m all for advancement of all sorts of diversity. I support different cultures coming together. I want people of all races and genders to have equal opportunities for success and happiness. I don’t think white people are harmed by the existence and flourishing of non-white people. I don’t lump myself in with bigots and killers and racists. I don’t defend white males exclusively; when I hear prejudicial baloney about other groups of people, I try to speak up, too.
I’m simply saying Debbo is stereotyping people based on race and gender. That must just be OK with more people here than I expected.
Roger,
This thread is about what Candace is talking about which is Democrats stereotyping and having victims.
Democrats think all Blacks should be Democrats. That is racist.
Jason,
Either you didn’t read Cory’s thread or you have a very active imagination.
Cory didn’t mention Candace Owens in the original thread, any of the links, or in any comments.
This thread clearly is not about Candace Owens, you are a liar.
Roger,
That’s why I asked him why he didn’t……………….
It should be painfully obvious why he didn’t ……………….
I clearly stated why he didn’t Roger.
Did you miss my post?
I think my case for the First Amendment as bulwark against religious extremism is hermetic. I don’t need to race off on Jason’s wild goose chase to support it.
The people who shoot up schools, outdoor concerts and other places are terrorists. They are also white men. That’s what I’ve been saying ad nauseam. You, Ryan, instantly extrapolate that to yourself and all white men everywhere. That is personalizing a statistically accurate statement about contemporary terrorism in the U.S. of A.
Your outrage, as Roger and I have been pointing out, again, ad nauseam, is that I dare make such a statement about white men. You continue to label that as stereotyping. Reciting factual evidence is not stereotyping, even when it’s about white males.
Debbo, you know there have been people who have shot up schools and concerts and other places who aren’t white men, right? So when you say things like, “The people who shoot up schools, outdoor concerts and other places are terrorists. They are also white men.” you are either accidentally or deliberately misrepresenting facts. When you say things like “It’s people like Tapio who are creating the most murderous terrorists this country has seen since 9/11. That would be white American males. Those are the people he radicalized, just like the latest one and the guy before that and before that.” You are not making “statistically accurate statements.” You are fear-mongering.
Like I said, I’m not ignorant to statistics. I understand that when a mass shooting occurs in this country, it is statistically more likely that the shooter was a white male. I think that is a well-known fact. I don’t “extrapolate” that to mean I am guilty of a mass shooting, and I don’t extrapolate that to mean white men are guilty of shootings. But you aren’t just reciting that fact, anyway.
When you make sweeping generalizations, ad nauseam, you are attempting to cast white men in a certain light – all white men, not just violent criminals. You hide behind your assertion that you are just stating facts, but you aren’t. You appear to hate white men as a general rule, and you aren’t very good at hiding it.
There is no difference between your repeated comments about white men and Tapio’s recent comments about gender roles in parenting. His statements were all technically true if I recall. The way he presents them, and the obvious bigotry underlying his message, is what makes him a prejudicial idiot. At least Tapio isn’t out there pretending to be a progressive liberal while being a prejudicial idiot. At least he is true to himself. You are just a phony. Hate is heavy, and secret hate is even heavier. You should let it go before it’s too late.
How about these “facts” Debbo:
Women trick men into getting them pregnant to keep the man around.
Women have abortions to avoid getting caught cheating.
Women lie to their husbands about the paternity of their children after having affairs.
Those are all true statements. In each case, women perform the action almost exclusively, and men do not, or at statistically irrelevant rates. The statements are also absolutely useless, absolutely sexist, and obviously intended to misrepresent reality. Using word tricks to present your hate as “facts” is as old as spoken language, Debbo. Other phony progressive liberals might buy the crap you are selling, but I see right through you.