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Tri-Valley Bonkers for Bang-Bangs, Puts Kids at Risk with School Gunslinger Policy

Uh oh—looks like it’s time for parents in the Colton, Lyons, and Crooks to open-enroll their kids over to Chester, Baltic, and Hartford. In a fit of foolishness, the Tri-Valley school board is on course to make its school district the first to take advantage of South Dakota’s 2013 school gunslinger law:

The Tri-Valley School District became the first South Dakota school district to approve the state’s school sentinel program.

The school sentinel program was created by South Dakota lawmakers three years ago, giving districts the opportunity to allow teachers or other school employees to carry a gun on school grounds.

Under the school sentinel policy Tri-Valley’s School board approved Monday night, interested employees would need to be approved by the School Board, undergo firearm training and pass several evaluations before they could have a firearm on school grounds [Bridget Bennett, “Parents Unaware of Tri-Valley’s Vote on School Sentinels,” KSFY-TV, 2016.03.14].

The Tri-Valley school board has a short memory: school staff in Harrisburg didn’t need guns to subdue a teen shooter in their high school last fall. Tri-Valley must also have a forgiving insurance company; one of the big reasons no school district jumped on the school gunslinger policy was that they would more than likely lose their insurance.

The proposed policy, which must still get second reading and final approval at the board’s April meeting, reads as follows:

Individuals interested in becoming a school sentinel (SDCL Chapter 13-64) will first make application with the superintendent by submitting the school sentinel application (Form 1A). The application will be reviewed by the school board during executive session at the next regular school board meeting. The superintendent and board will then either approve or deny proceeding with this request. If either the superintendent or the majority of the school board (at least 3 school board members) do not sign for approval, the application will be considered denied.

If denied, the individual will not be a school sentinel for the Tri-Valley School District. If approved for proceeding in the application and testing process, the individual must then complete all the requirements located in Chapter 13-64 inclusive; such as the law enforcement training course per SDCL 13-64-3. In addition, the individual must complete a psychological evaluation and consent to the sharing and access to these results with the superintendent and school board.

Testing results will be reviewed in executive session before determining final approval or denial of a school sentinel designation for the individual (Form 2B). Final approval will then be contingent upon the signing of acceptance by the superintendent and the majority of the school board (at least 3 school board members).

The costs associated with the school sentinel program such as the law enforcement training program and the psychological evaluation will be a responsibility of the school district if the applicant has an approved Form 1A. This may also include the costs associated for substitutes.

Tri-Valley School Sentinels will remain confidential and these individuals will not be publicly disclosed. The superintendent is authorized by the school board to revoke an individual’s school sentinel designation at any time. It will be the responsibility of the superintendent to inform the board and law enforcement of any changes with personnel regarding the school sentinel program [proposed school gunslinger policy, downloaded from Tri-Valley superintendent Mike Lodmel’s document page, retrieved 2016.03.15].

So a school board, which is elected to govern educational matters, is going to assume the authority to judge tactical skills and empower staff to wield deadly force? Gee, why do the words stupid and hare-brained keep leaping to mind?

The icing on this bad policy is the secrecy clause. Parents will have no right to know which staff are carrying deadly weapons in school. Parents get no check on the board’s decision, no opportunity to say, “Good grief! They let that yahoo carry a gun? I don’t think so!” Parents get no opportunity to pull their children from an armed teacher’s classroom and demand that their children be placed in classrooms where no guns are present.

Guns don’t make us safer. Guns increase the risk of fatal accidents. Tri-Valley is increasing the physical and psychic risk to its students. Parents interested in their children’s safety should attend the April meeting and tell the Tri-Valley school board not to spend their money on this secretive and dangerous foray into John Wayne fantasies.


  1. Rorschach 2016-03-15 11:06

    This school should have notified parents and solicited input before taking a vote. The term “school sentinel” doesn’t mean anything to most people. If most people saw that on meeting agendas and minutes they would not pick up that “school sentinel” means guns in school.

    With something as consequential as this policy it certainly appears that the school administration and school board was deliberately trying to put this in under the radar. And asking KSFY not to talk to parents until after a vote is taken is evidence of that. They didn’t want KSFY to tip off parents before the vote because they could call in other parents and have a real discussion at the meeting. Shame on these shady school board members and school administrators for trying to control the press and parents.

  2. Jenny 2016-03-15 11:43

    Ammosexuality is not just a joke. There are more gun addiction studies being done all the time. Something is quite not right when a tiny rural South Dakota school thinks their teachers have to arm themselves.

  3. MC 2016-03-15 11:46

    Wow Cory! The way you wrote this make it seems like a this was a snap decision. It wasn’t. This decision has been nine month to a year in the making. The way you write this, you act like we are going to have mentally unstable teachers roaming the halls shooting students at random with automatic weapons or spraying classrooms with an uzi. You and I both know this just isn’t so. We trust our children to these teachers, we should be able to trust with a firearm. But I’m guessing you don’t want schools to do everything possible to protect our children.

  4. Roger Cornelius 2016-03-15 11:59

    Quite the contrary MC, Cory seems to want to protect children by disarming all adults from carrying guns on school property.
    Arming teachers and others increases the potential for gun violence.

  5. Jenny 2016-03-15 12:04

    You know MC, probably I would have thought that myself before I had a child, to trust teachers with guns. Why is it everyday in this country I hear about irresponsible gun owners doing stupid things like leaving their guns unlocked and out in the open for their children to kill or injure themselves or someone else with?

    For every responsible gun owner there are dozens of stupid gun owners making you look bad. Own up to that problem and do something about it.

  6. mike from iowa 2016-03-15 12:26

    But I’m guessing you don’t want schools to do everything possible to protect our children. Protect your children from what? Are there ravening rabid responsible gun owners out there busting down the doors of academia to slaughter kids in South Dakota?

  7. Craig 2016-03-15 12:28

    “But I’m guessing you don’t want schools to do everything possible to protect our children.”

    False argument. Once could argue that having a properly trained guard in each classroom and a 30 foot high concrete wall with razor wire surrounding every school might help “protect our children” but I doubt anyone would condone it because it is just silly.

    Putting someone in a classroom with a gun doesn’t automatically make our schools more safe. In the contrary, what if a student decides to attack a teacher who also happens to be carrying a gun. Do you think ANY amount of training will help that teacher make the decision as to whether or not they should shoot? Police officers go through hundreds of hours of training year after year and even they are found to often panic in high stress situations. Do we really think a teacher or administrator would be better trained than law enforcement? Doubtful.

    So what happens when a student overpowers a teacher and takes the gun. Who is to blame then?

    Tri-Valley already has admitted that there is an armed on-site school resource officer (a Sheriff’s Deputy) present most of the school day. If they are really concerned about having someone onsite with a gun then they could require an armed resource officer to be onsite 100% of the time. There is no need to go to the extremes of arming random educators throughout the school as there is no credible threat to suggest it is necessary.

  8. MC 2016-03-15 12:46

    Jenny, There are people who are irresponsible, when it comes to guns, however when can extend that to cars, planes, drugs, just about anything.

  9. Jenny 2016-03-15 12:59

    LOL, you’re so funny, Mike From Iowa. Tri-Valley must think there are raging gun totin’ maniacs out to get their children. Sigh…. only in America…. roll of the eyes…….

    (Do you really blame us for calling you excited gun owners ammosexuals?)

  10. caheidelberger Post author | 2016-03-15 13:01

    MC, you’re hearing things in your reading of my post. I say none of the things you try to prop up as straw men against my argument. As a parent, I will not tolerate anyone in my child’s classroom with a gun except for maybe a policeman… and even there, I’m not entirely comfortable with armed school resource officers in our schools. However long Tri-Valley spent deliberating, they came to the wrong conclusion. They are not making our kids safer by bringing more guns into the building.

    I’m with Craig. If Tri-Valley is convinced their kids are in constant mortal danger (they aren’t), they should pony up the bucks to pay for a full-time trained resource officer provided through local law enforcement, not try security on the cheap with some volunteer gunslinger. Do it right or don’t do it.

  11. Dave 2016-03-15 14:09

    “Schools are safer when they have a culture that includes supportive teacher-student relationships and clear norms and expectations that violence is not tolerated. Students need to feel that they belong at school and that others care for them. The students most at risk of committing violence are the ones who are most alienated from school and their community. Connecting them to school and services is essential. And to do this effectively, parents and families need to be included.”

  12. mike from iowa 2016-03-15 14:19

    Cars,planes,drugs,etc weren’t designed to be used for mass killings in a small space in a big hurry. Jiminy Crickets,states can’t put people to death with drugs and do it humanely or quickly and that is one person at a time. An airliner would prolly have hell’s own time hitting a single story school house. Cars are your best hope,MC.

  13. Paul Larsen 2016-03-15 14:31

    Cory … this law, the legislators who enacted it, and the little people who are now putting it in effect … are all, in the words of Sen. Lindsey Graham, “bat s— crazy.”

  14. Kris 2016-03-15 14:44


  15. Madman 2016-03-15 15:04


    Nine months in the making have you read the school board minutes. It does not mention anything about the sentinel program until December. It was not communicated to parents that this may be an option the school was looking into. As a parent I’m not particularly happy that this was sprung on me at 6:00 last night. They have had some discussion at the school board but nothing was posted that this issue was going to be put into policy. In the data finding they did not consult the parents of the school district instead choosing to adopt a policy.

    This decision was a knee jerk reaction to Harrisburg and if you don’t think it is, then look at the board minutes.

  16. Rorschach 2016-03-15 15:36

    MC is looking at running for the legislature in your district, Madman. This means he knows better than you. Defer to his authoritae

  17. mikeyc, that's me! 2016-03-15 15:52

    Betty Olson’s next job.

  18. Rorschach 2016-03-15 15:55


    As someone who wants your vote for the legislature, MC certainly wouldn’t make a claim without doing his research first. Obviously he’s right and you’re wrong. He says the decision to import guns into classrooms was 9-12 months in the making, so obviously neither you nor anyone else has been paying attention like he has. That’s your fault. You should inform yourself better. What’s MC’s name again? Michael Clark I believe. Look for that name on a ballot near you.

  19. Daniel Buresh 2016-03-15 16:19

    Don’t like what your school board is doing?…elect new ones or actually attend the meetings. It’s their job to make decisions for the school and students, not to inform you of every decision they are about to make.

  20. caheidelberger Post author | 2016-03-15 16:33

    Actually, Daniel, the school board does have a legal obligation to inform their constituents of every decision they are about to make. They appear to have done that with Item #12 on their meeting agenda, “Consider authorization of creation of a school sentinel program.” Voters then have the obligation to pay attention to the posted agenda.

    This is also why we require first and second reading at separate meetings before enacting new policies, so that in case folks miss the first meeting, they can attend the second and speak up.

    …but wait a minute: the Tri-Valley home page says the policy has been fully approved and enacted. I thought they still had to do a second reading. Am I mistaken?

  21. Daniel Buresh 2016-03-15 16:36

    Yes, they have to have it on the agenda. They don’t need to blast it in the newspaper or make personal calls to every parent or make extensive attempts to contact parents for input. The information is there, not anyone’s fault but their own that they don’t pay attention. The ones who never attend a single meeting are usually the ones screaming the loudest.

  22. MC 2016-03-15 16:36

    I would like to address a few things. Tri-Valley informed parents last night, right after the school board meeting. They invited public input at the next scheduled meeting. The plan has not been approved, yet. I would say 90+% of the students that go to Tri-Valley has a firearm in their home, under the control of their parents. I dare say many of these kids also know basic firearm safety. This is about Tri-Valley, not Aberdeen, not Riggs High School. Even with one resource officer on site, back up can be five minutes away. In Sioux Falls, the response time would be considerably less. having an armed staff member is not the plan, it is part of the plan. There have been several other enhancements like the ‘Lock down’ panic buttons. We don’t know (nor should we) who will be armed, it could be principal, secretary, or the custodian.

    If the mere presence of guns offends you, then by all means take kids out and enroll them else where. I for one appreciate a school board who is taking security of student seriously before there is an incident.

  23. Daniel Buresh 2016-03-15 16:38

    Looks like un-involved parents have nothing to complain about since it was a long time in the making.

  24. caheidelberger Post author | 2016-03-15 17:00

    MC, if the policy has not been approved and enacted, the school should clarify that on its website. The text currently posted to the website makes it sound like a done deal.

    We should know who is armed when our children are around. That confidentiality is one of the key flaws of this policy. Thank goodness the Legislature at least removed the confidentiality clause in an earlier version of the school gunslinger bill that would have kept even the board’s discussion of a gunslinger policy. Parents have a right to know if schools are subjecting their children to the danger of more guns in school. Parents furthermore have a right to know which school staff are packing so they can keep their kids away from those staff.

  25. leslie 2016-03-15 17:16

    Unless the sentinel is a trained current law enforcement officer, this is pure foolishness likely w some involvement w NRA behind it using SD as guinea pigs.

    An Idaho III%er “patriot” type will be an applicant. Talk about a can o’ worms. This why federal law will intercede. You get Fed $$, you will have stronger Fed gun legislation.

    We already have Phil Jensen and Lead’s new mayor come in for easy pickings.

    KOTA should quite showing these old western fantasies daily. Every gun magazine has sexualized gun ownership.

  26. Francis Schaffer 2016-03-15 19:09

    It doesn’t even have to be a staff member of the district. It seems weird that if the superintendent and board agree it could be me.

  27. John 2016-03-15 19:15

    Looks like Tri-Valley may soon be in the market for a new school board and superintendent.

  28. owen reitzel 2016-03-15 19:49

    Teachers went into their profession to teach not become security personnel .
    Sentinel law was a very stupid.
    I agree Leslie NRA was likely behind it

  29. Daniel Buresh 2016-03-15 22:27

    “Looks like Tri-Valley may soon be in the market for a new school board and superintendent.”

    “Hansen isn’t alone. We weren’t able to find any community member who wanted to voice their concerns about the policy on camera. ”

    Don’t assume your opinion is so widely held when you surround yourself all day with like minded individuals.

  30. caheidelberger Post author | 2016-03-16 07:08

    I assume nothing, Daniel.But my opinion should be widely held. Guns make schools more dangerous.

  31. Darin Larson 2016-03-16 08:44

    This is a tough one because the issue is so emotional. You want to do everything you can to protect kids. But what action is best to protect kids is not necessarily straight forward.

    On one level, with the school resource officer already there most of the time, adding a non-professional with another gun to that environment statistically would cause more problems than it would help to alleviate. For instance, the NYPD in the last few years had a shootout with a gunmen on the streets of New York. These are some of the best trained police officers in the world and before it was all said and done, if I remember correctly, they had accidentally shot 5-8 innocent bystanders.

    The possibility also exists that this gun in school could be commandeered by a perpetrator and used against the staff or children. Thus, statistically, they are probably less safe at Tri-Valley adding this non-professional sentinel to the mix. I think that is why insurance companies do not want to cover schools in this situation.

    However, Tri-Valley is out in the middle of the country and if the school resource officer does not happen to be there for one reason or another, it is going to take 5-10 minutes for another officer to get there in the event of a Harrisburg type of incident. In that case, I can understand the thought process of having someone on site with the ability to confront and impede an armed assailant until law enforcement gets there.

    I can also understand the thought process of having this person be anonymous for various reasons. For one, you don’t want everyone to know where there might be a weapon. You don’t want the assailant to know who to take out first or where they might acquire the weapon.

    So, on the one hand, statistically speaking, the sentinel will probably increase the chances of harm to kids or staff via the sentinel’s weapon on school grounds. On the other hand, on the much smaller chance of an active shooter at the school at the time that the school resource officer is not there or in the event the officer is shot first, the sentinel could impede the shooter until law enforcement backup gets there. The sentinel could also make things worse by “friendly fire” incidents.

    As a comparison, the Harrisburg incident could have been much worse obviously if the shooters’ gun had not jammed and a quick thinking and courageous administrator had not jumped into the fray in a split-second to disarm the shooter. If the results of this shooting incident had been worse, the knee-jerk pressure would be to lock down our schools and arm them.

    Tri-Valley could do some things to make their sentinel policy more palatable. One thing would be that the sentinel’s weapon should be equipped with fingerprint recognition so only the sentinel can use the weapon. The other obvious thing that has been mentioned is to increase the school resource officer’s time at the school so you have a professional there as much of the time as possible and thus, you don’t have to rely on the sentinel as much.

  32. Rorschach 2016-03-16 09:01

    Let’s not beat around the bush here. What this is about is that the Tri Valley superintendent just wants to pack his own heat at the school. If some punk kid tries to come into his office and shoot him he wants to shoot back. That’s what this is about.

  33. barry freed 2016-03-16 10:48

    Here we go again…

    One side asks: “What if THIS happens?”

    The other side asks: “What if THAT happens?”

    The reality is, statistically, neither happens.

    So instead of beating the dead horses, we should examine WHY a kid or faculty member might bring a weapon, any weapon to school, though the dog whistlers love the gun.

    People do it because they feel as though they aren’t being heard. The Columbine victims (the first ones) were assaulted and bullied for years by the star athletes of their school, and no one heard them or acted in their behalf. Not the Coaches, not the Principals, and not the Sheriffs Department who received assault reports. Their reports of assault and being stuffed into lockers were ignored and dismissed as “boys will be boys”. Is it any wonder they fantasized about revenge? Let that fester for years and you have a recipe for tragedy.

    Successful prevention of school violence has to start before it reaches a boiling point, not after. Meaningful dialog on a Blog or in the Legislature does not contain dismissive content, bullying, or name calling. To have any credibility on the subject and address bullying, SDFP could start by condemning the use of “ammosexual”. Also, this fantasy of a faculty member rushing an armed, temporarily insane person and sacrificing themselves is unrealistic and more than any one of us has a right to ask, let alone expect.

  34. Richard Schriever 2016-03-16 11:31

    “Once could argue that having a properly trained guard in each classroom and a 30 foot high concrete wall with razor wire surrounding every school might help “protect our children” but I doubt anyone would condone it because it is just silly.”

    And this is precisely the way new schools have been constructed in my old suburban Los Angeles neighborhood. They look and function like prisons.

  35. caheidelberger Post author | 2016-03-16 11:37

    Good thoughts on prevention, Barry. But why shoudl I shy away from use of the term “ammosexual” when it aptly describes the dangerous mental state that leads people to view guns as the solution instead of the problem? Fantasies about armed revenge and fantasies about heroic armed self-defense are closely related.

    Craig, thank you for that good point about how we do not and should not do “everything possible” in the name of safety. Many things are possible but not desirable. I could argue that I would keep my daughter safe by locking her up in her bedroom… but that would be not only not desirable but also contrary to evidence that shows that schools were the safest place for our children to be long before we started turning our schools into the prisons Richard sees with armed guards.

  36. Jigs 2016-03-16 11:38

    Teachers got into the profession to teach? Are you sure about that? If you would ask a teacher why they got into their profession I will guarantee you that because they love to teach things would not be top on their list. We love making a difference in a student’s life. A difference could come from a teacher’s subject area but it also could come from mentoring a student. It may even come from getting involved in a student’s life. Barry makes a great point above. Students are hurting and we are much more willing to stand back and complain about it than to help be part of the solution. Watching students make great decisions in life is far more rewarding than seeing them figure out a Chemistry problem.
    I am surprised at the responses of many on here that have voiced their support for teacher pay but the only thing they want a teacher to do is teach their subject area. Sorry Jonny I am only certified to teach you about math even though you are struggling in life I must send you to the counselor to answer those tough life questions. Oops, counselor is busy come back Friday and we can fix the problem then! Please terminate my employment if I do that!
    Teachers can have a huge impact on an individual’s life look back into your own lives and I can assure you that a teacher is someone who made a difference in your life.
    I would not tell my neighbor who is a volunteer fireman not to come fight my house fire because he only went to Lake Area to be a welder. I would gladly welcome him and his “brush fire fighting rig” to start dousing my house. The “real fireman” will get there shortly but time is important. My hope is that the professionals who you have entrusted to teach your kids and keep them safe will have enough discernment, training to keep your kids safe while they are on school property.
    As a teacher, if given the choice for that responsibility I would respectfully decline at this time. I am not prepared or trained to make that decision. Given the proper training and restrictions/guidelines I might consider. I would pray that I would never have to use that training. I think a school resource officer would say the same thing.

  37. Daniel Buresh 2016-03-16 11:49

    “But why shoudl I shy away from use of the term “ammosexual” when it aptly describes the dangerous mental state that leads people to view guns as the solution instead of the problem?”

    Because it becomes a derogatory term for anyone who has an interest in guns even though they may not fall under such a hostile description. Can you think of other derogatory terms that may be broadly applied to others that end up being used to generalize an entire subset of the population? You shouldn’t have to think too hard about that.

  38. mike from iowa 2016-03-16 12:15

    Liberal comes to mind,DB. Illegal aliens. Kenyan Muslim in the White House.Wingnuts fer sure.

  39. mike from iowa 2016-03-16 12:17

    If the shoe fits, wear it.

  40. Craig 2016-03-16 12:18

    Some good, salient points Darin. However your statement about weapons being equipped with fingerprint recognition isn’t realistic. That technology has been essentially shunned from the marketplace due to pressure from the NRA and gun-rights advocates. There were also some technical concerns, so sadly this technology is not ready for mainstream use.

    I’d rather see them focus on non-lethal forms of defense such as tasers – at least if there is an accident there is a much higher change of it NOT leading to death or permanent injury. It is amazing to me that we can develop technologies like satellites, cellphones, and self-driving cars yet we still don’t have anything that is capable of subduing an attacker as well as a firearm which traces its development back hundreds of years.

  41. MC 2016-03-16 13:28

    A teacher in the classroom is the very last line of defense against an armed intruder. Up until that point, any firearm accessible by school staff should remained holstered or locked up, except for routine cleaning and maintenance.

    I’m all for tasers, non-lethal bullets, tranquilizer darts, Duck tape, etc. I am also for stopping such an incident before someone walks into a school or work place with the intent to hurt or kill someone. Once they walk through that door with a gun, we all know it is not going to end well.

    What is it that drives a person to such extremes that they feel the need to react with some kind of force? What can cause a person to become so hopeless, that they feel they have nothing to lose? That is the issue we should be dealing with

  42. Roger Cornelius 2016-03-16 13:35

    After each gun attack on schools, workplaces, etc. the media interviews friends, relatives, and neighbors. In the usual response we hear things like, “he was such guy”, “he was an ordinary guy, but he could act strange”, etc.
    “He could act strange” is the alarming phrase and leads to immediate questions of how strange? Does he have guns and knives? Have you ever seen him act violently?
    The best defense against gun violence is and always will be vigilance. If you see or experience weird behavior, report it and above all else beware of your surroundings.
    Your report maybe wrong, or who knows?

  43. mike from iowa 2016-03-16 14:37

    I am also for stopping such an incident before someone walks into a school or work place with the intent to hurt or kill someone.

    Comprehensive background checks,mental health evaluations,keep assault weapons off the street,tell the NRA to STFU every time a massacre happen. These are all things than can and should be done before the next mass killing.

  44. Douglas Wiken 2016-03-16 15:53

    Accidental shootings of gun carrier or students in area are more likely than any terrorist attack in the middle of nowhere. As indicated above, the “what if….” BS did not include, “What if gun carrier drops a loaded pistol, etc. etc.?”

  45. jake 2016-03-16 16:24

    MC and others with your outlook–you fall into the same type thinking as Trump with his damned wall! All smoke/mirrors rousing false expectations. A society’s feeling of “safety” doesn’t all come from available weapons but a frame of mind/attitude that it expects itself to be better in the future than now,. Ammosexuals are full of negative expectations that they will overpower any opposing negative force with their gun. Join the little dictator of North Korea with your type of thinking, sir.

  46. Rorschach 2016-03-16 16:27

    I know of a teacher who keeps a golf club in her classroom in the event of an armed intruder. I pity the gunman who comes through that classroom door.

  47. leslie 2016-03-16 17:28

    we’ll stop saying ammosexual AFTER you stop leaving your loaded handgun on the counter at starbux for convenience, or open carrying on your hip and/or assault rifle over your shoulder in Safeway.

    And AFTER you stop trying to pass sentinel legislation for schools, public places and private businesses.

    instead YOU CAN FOLLOW THE CONSTITUTION and go join the “WELL REGULATED Militia NECESSARY to the security of [your] free state”.

  48. bearcreekbat 2016-03-16 18:24

    Jake makes an excellent point!

  49. mike from iowa 2016-03-16 19:25

    This is a backhanded attempt to get NRA agenda entertwined in public schools.

  50. mike from iowa 2016-03-16 19:28

    Good call, Roger. Unfortunately you can’t force people to seek help or Dr Boz would have been through a psych evaluation.

  51. Jenny 2016-03-16 20:03

    Amen, leslie.

  52. MC 2016-03-16 21:03

    Please don’t judge all gun owners based on the actions of a few people. I will agree there are a few people who will strap on a gun and walk around just to draw attention to themselves. Most gun owners don’t just walk around carrying their firearms in plain view. Most of the time their firearms are out of sight, locked up. There are a few exceptions of course. For example a farmer dealing with varmints on his land while riding his ATV might stop at the local convenience store for a cool drink or cup of coffee. In most of those cases they walk in conduct their business and move on.

    The school sentry bill is about local control. Each school district can decide if they want to have someone on their staff armed or not. There is no mandate to arm anyone or even have any security measures. The law lays out the process for arming staff if the school board believe that is what needs to be done. If the school board believes the best way to protect the students is to have everyone unarmed, then every one needs to be dis-armed, including law enforcement.

    I honestly believe most Democrats want the same thing Republicans want. To have our kids to be able to go school without fear of violence. A strong nation, with good economic engine, an infrastructure that serves everyone, the poor are taken care of with dignity, and the sick and injured all receive the best care. We differ in how we want to get there. To that end I have stop calling them names and willing to listen to their ideas. I am willing to engage them in a discussion.

  53. mike from iowa 2016-03-16 21:22

    MC-irresponsible gun owners dominate the internet daily. It doesn’t take much effort to find story after story of kids being killed and/or maimed because of firearms. It really isn’t a few. Look at a Drumpf rally and imagine all those tools armed to the teeth and being goaded into violence by Drumpf.

  54. leslie 2016-03-17 01:14


    In 2009, 7391 (95% confidence interval [CI]: 6523-8259) hospitalizations were due to firearm-related injuries. The hospitalization rate was 8.87 (95% CI: 7.83-9.92) per 100,000 persons <20 years of age. Hospitalizations due to assaults were most frequent (n = 4559) and suicide attempts were least frequent (n = 270). Of all hospitalizations, 89.2% occurred in males; the hospitalization rate for males was 15.22 per 100,000 (95% CI: 13.41-17.03) and for females was 1.93 (95% CI: 1.66-2.20). The rate for black males was 44.77 (95% CI: 36.69-52.85), a rate more than 10 times that for white males. Rates were highest for those aged 15 to 19 years (27.94; 95% CI: 24.42-31.46). Deaths in the hospital occurred in 453 (6.1%); of those hospitalized after suicide attempts, 35.1% died.

    Despite recent national attention on deaths from firearms, little information exists about children and adolescents who are hospitalized for firearm injuries. The objective was to determine the national frequency of firearm-related hospitalizations in the United States in children, compare rates by cause and demographics, and describe hospitalized cases.


    On average, 20 US children and adolescents were hospitalized each day in 2009 due to firearm injuries. Public health efforts are needed to reduce this common source of childhood injury."

    mc said:

    "Please don’t judge all gun owners based on the actions of a few people. I will agree there are a few people who will strap on a gun and walk around just to draw attention to themselves. Most gun owners don’t just walk around carrying their firearms in plain view. Most of the time their firearms are out of sight, locked up."

  55. leslie 2016-03-17 01:31

    its not the job of a school board to make life and death decisions about arming school staff to protect children. we have tremendously trained and funded law enforcement to provide just that service.

    a school board is just trying to save the god-awful dollar and threatening parents’ children in the process.

    a real “criminal justice reform” (not like what vote-getting republicans patted themselves on the back for a year or two ago) revamping system will free phenomenal amounts of dollars to protect schools, reasonably regulate firearms, and address alcoholism and addiction appropriately without squandering lives and dollars needlessly.

    get politics out of the way and fix the f**king problems.

    or, let another 20 years go by, keep shuffling your feet down the road, fear NRA and MADD, keep fighting social wars of abortion, sexuality, god and austerity, and vote republican.

  56. leslie 2016-03-17 02:42

    the chief concern among gun rights groups: “DEFECTIVE ANTI-GUN RESEARCH” (… right)

    who fear gun violence research can lead to legislative prevention methods that ultimately chip away at their rights.

    That was the National Rifle Association’s motivation to back a set of measures — which in 1996 — effectively defunded the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s research on gun violence….

    The NRA on Friday reaffirmed its stance in an attack on an international study looking at U.S. firearm mortality rates and gun legislation.

    “It is bad enough that such defective anti-gun research finds its way into distinguished publications, without forcing the taxpayer to foot the bill,” the NRA wrote.

    “This year, the number of deaths from gun violence is expected to exceed the number of car fatalities,” Margot Hirsch, president of the Smart Tech Challenges Foundation (STCF), a nonprofit focused on reducing gun violence through technology and innovation, pointed out at a SXSW good Story session. As such gun violence is a serious public health issue, more data needs to be collected and analyzed just as is done for auto safety. However, the Center for Disease Control (CDC) is prohibited from doing research on gun violence, in part due to pressure from the National Rifle Association (NRA). Even though NRA membership makes up a very small percentage of gun owners (4 percent), they exercise enormous authority into public policy around gun control.

  57. MC 2016-03-17 13:07

    I am all for reasonable regulation.
    However I am even more in favor of firearm education. For far too long we have tried to remove guns from our society, with the battle cry ‘GUNS KILL!’ Like it or not firearms has always been a part of our history. Firearms are not going away.
    We need to learn that firearms are weapons, they are not toys.
    We need to learn to respect them, not to fear them.
    We need to learn how to handle them safely.
    We need to learn how to care for them properly.
    We need to learn where and when to carry them.
    We need to learn where and when to fire them.
    We need to get over this hoplophobia. Really?!?

    The part I found more disturbing about this whole issue is the Tri-Valley School Board believed there is a creditable enough threat, even with a resource officer onsite, to warrant arming a staff member.

    I would like to see how many deaths/injuries were caused by neglect, how many are caused by intentional violence, how many of those were related to the drug trade, how many were related to interpersonal relationships. If I had to guess, there has been an increase in gun violence, not because there are more guns, rather because of some other underlying social issue.

    People walking around Safeway with an assault rifle, or going to yard sales with a pistol on their hip are trying to goad you in to reacting into some extreme way. Please don’t let them it will only harden their stance.

  58. CJ Marine 2016-03-17 18:21

    Wow….it is fun to watch the uniformed debate over firearm issues. The article talks about having a short memory as in Harrisburg a student was subdued by without using a gun. The writer of this article must have a short memory (one of the staff was shot and it was pure luck that he pulled his arm up at just the right time or it might have been a fatal shot). Do any of you realize that we actually have armed personal now patrolling Sioux Falls Schools? These few select teachers will have the same firearms training as the resource officers that are in schools now.
    Also those that think the NRA is behind this…WOW…you are a true conspiracy nut. You actually think the NRA got out a map, pointed to tri-valley and said, “we will make them carry firearms.” For those that believe that, please take your meds. I have heard it all when it comes from anti-gunners, my favorite is that 75% of all gun owner will die by their own gun (really….that would be millions of deaths every day).
    I am a Marine, I have instructed other Marines on firearm training working at Cherry Point rifle range and I feel comfort knowing we have armed resource officers in our schools. I also conceal carry myself. Sioux Falls is a changing place with a rapidly growing crime rate that often spills into smaller towns around it. And to this author of this article, the fact it happened in the little town of Harrisburg only PROVES it can happen anywhere. What tri-valley has realized is that a police response is far to long to wait when someone gets in with a gun.
    Interestingly enough, the police are NOT condemning this action as they also know seconds matter. For all you anti-gunners, I will keep supporting people with advanced weapons training like resource officers and and teachers with advanced firearms training. You keep putting up “Firearms prohibited” signs and see how that works for you.
    A resource officer once told me, it is not “if” someone enters a school with a gun…it is “when” someone with a gun enters.. Thanks to the author of this article for proving the resource officer right! And PROVING that small schools like Tri-valley are at risk as it did happen in Harrisburg. Semper Fi to any Marines on here.

  59. caheidelberger Post author | 2016-03-17 18:25

    Harrisburg proved nothing that was not proven by previous shootings. Bad things happen. The presence of guns in a room increase the chance of bad things happening. In a classroom in particular, guns also declare to kids, “We have failed. Civilized society doesn’t work. Live in constant fear.”

    We’re not taking Iwo Jima, Marine. We’re raising children to believe in civil society, to believe in the power of law and words over brute force.

    Kids are much more likely to die from numerous other causes in numerous other places. Turning schools into armed bunkers does not improve safety more than it degrades safety and faith in civilization.

  60. CJ Marine 2016-03-17 19:05

    Mike from Iowa,
    Could you please tell me what an “Assault” rifle is…or did you mean an AR 15, if you did, that is not a “assault” rifle. AR stands for Armalite (the company that first came up with a working design). They shoot a .223 varmint round that is not much bigger than a .22 magnum round. Also you speak of mental health checks. Can you tell me who is mentally ill enough not to own a gun? Many of our vets come back, some have a hard time. Some just want to talk to someone about the horror of what their eyes have seen. Many do not seek mental help because of being labeled as mentally ill. Most are fine but once they seek someone to help, they are labeled. Would YOU take their hunting rifles away and deny them their second amendment rights just because they asked to speak to someone about bad dreams?
    Our current presidential administration has vets so afraid of loosing rights by seeking mental health, that many vets go without help. So if you can tell me the degree of mental health prohibits gun ownership and also clarify what an assault rifle is, maybe I can take you seriously. Also please realize that the NRA often remains quiet until publicly forced by the media and the White house to make a comment. It is the White House that uses tragedy to promote their agenda. The NRA usually will state that we MUST enforce the vast laws that are on the books already that are NOT being enforced. They will also state that firearm safety training is a must. As a matter of fact the NRA has courses on firearm safety that if used would prevent so much tragedy.
    I own several firearms from an AR-15 to a Barrett .50 bmg. All of my firearms are locked up as the NRA would promote, my 15 year old son has firearm safety training and actually shows no interest in firearms or competition shooting. I often target shoot at Gary’s and other ranges, some times next to the SFPD personal.
    As for the NRA to shut the “blank” up. Are you saying they should not say that we need to enforce gun laws AND that we should NOT take a safety course if we own a firearm? The NRA promotes gun safety and prosecution of those that use guns for evil.

  61. Nick Nemec 2016-03-17 19:46

    The AR-15 is the M-16, the military rifle of choice of the US Military for 50 years, longer than any other service rifle has ever served as the designated rifle. The only significant difference is that the AR-15 doesn’t have fully automatic ability. I get sick and tired of gun apologists claiming that it is no different than a .22 or is only suitable for shooting gophers. You are entitled to your opinions but not your facts. If it’s good enough for every branch of the military to carry into combat it’s a military rifle.

  62. mike from iowa 2016-03-17 19:57

    Cj Marine, Ars were designed as military assault weapons. If you think they only shoot .223 shells you are seriously mis-informed. You can buy an AR platform weapon to shoot virtually any caliber bullet ever made. Aks and M-4s are assault weapons that you find regularly on the street and in civilian hands. It wasn’t long ago you could find how-to videos on the internet to make many of the weapons fully automatic.

    How did returning vets get mixed up in this? I never said a word about them or taking weapons away from them. You sound like the NRA,tossing out false accusations to provide cover for your lack of arguments.

    Virtually every mass shooting is attributed to someone with mental problems. People like that should not have access to objects designed to slaughter human beings in mass quantities. After nearly every shooting,the NRA opens their pie hole and says now is not the time to talk about gun control. When is the time? After all the kids are murdered? The NRA doesn’t want rules and regulations. They want terrorists to be able to buy guns. They fought the stoppage of straw purchases of weapons. They used to provide a public service. Now they provide propaganda against the President of the United States by claiming every election cycle that Obama and Dems are coming to take your guns. Outright falsehoods you people suck up as gospel. The NRA is nothing but a lobbying group for people killing manufacturers,imho.

    Wingnut congressweasel Duncan Hunter(W-Ca) says Navy Seals returning from duty overseas have to hand off their M-4s to the next bunch of Seals because there are not enough in service. There is apparently a backlog because civilians have been buying them all. Border Service Agents don’t have enough because flaws in the weapons have to be fixed or replaced and they are outgunned by Mexican cartels. I suppose that is Obama’s fault.

  63. CJ Marine 2016-03-17 20:01

    Caheidelberger, Harrisburg proved it can happen anywhere. Being prepared is not showing we have given up. We have lock down alarms, do they say we have given up? We have armed police in our schools, should we pull them out? America is broken, we don’t have a gun problem, we have a people problem. When I was young, farm kids would drive pickup trucks to school and most had gun racks with loaded guns (yet no one ever thought of shooting up a school).
    I don’t live in fear nor does my family. I carry a .45 auto concealed the same way I would have insurance on my car. I am 49 years old and have never had an accident. With your logic, having insurance would mean I live in fear. Am I fearful that I will have an accident, no, I have insurance. Am I fearful that I might meet a situation were my life may be in danger from violence, no I carry a firearm and have advanced training.
    I am not saying I gave up on society, I am fighting to fix it by raising a good kid as all Americans should do. The tragedy is that there are no quick fixes to this situation of a broken America. I am sure you must agree we have an issue in America or we would not even be chatting now. It will take some time to fix America. Well trained armed individuals do not say we gave up nor do they mean we have returned to the wild west. As a mater of fact the students would not even know that a teacher is armed. Those who received training are not even being identified. The passing of this law also doesn’t mean that there will be a teacher armed. It simply gives options for a school that is too far away for an effective response from police. But by you logic even having a resource police officer would state we have given up. Maybe we should pull them out also so it makes the students feel like we haven’t given up.
    Times change, my war was Somalia, now I work with Somalians. I was in the Marines from 84-89 and had my career cut short, now I am still a Marine (once a Marine…always a Marine) but also a 30% disabled vet. I am also a BSN registered nurse (went to school with chapter 31 disabled vet benefits). I have seen broken societies around the globe. Sadly we are headed in that direction, but we can change. Armed teachers are not giving up, they are simply a band-aide. They are a temporary measure while we get back to a life when a gun in a gun rack of a farm kids truck meant he might encounter a coyote threatening livestock while he checked fences on the way to school.
    If all of you in the press really want to save lives and make a change, write about Project 22. Project 22 is bringing awareness to the fact that on average 22 veterans commit suicide every day. It may not be as grabbing as armed teachers, but it is one of the pillars to start fixing America. My club Leathernecks have taken on this project and have shown the film at Century theater once so far. Sadly we received very little press but we did have a packed theater.

  64. owen reitzel 2016-03-17 20:07

    I’d argue with CJ Marine but you can’t get through to such a ammosexual.

  65. mike from iowa 2016-03-17 20:16

    the fact it happened in the little town of Harrisburg only PROVES it can happen anywhere

    And putting more guns in schools is like dousing a fire with paint thinner. NRA fear mongering has got you gun owners in a tizzy. But that is about all the NRA has been good for for the past 20 years.

  66. Roger Cornelius 2016-03-17 20:24

    If guns don’t kill people, why do policemen and our young soldiers carry them when they go off to war.

    mike from iowa, I know c.j.marine, well maybe not the one posting here, but there are thousands just like him that think they are the final authority on anything to do with guns. You know what I mean? I shot a gun in Afghanistan so I know more than you.

  67. mike from iowa 2016-03-17 20:54

    You are so correct,Roger. I never was a Marine and I didn’t stay at a Holiday Inn Express, so I basically Know nothing.

  68. CJ Marine 2016-03-17 21:13

    Mike from Iowa. You stated, “Comprehensive background checks,mental health evaluations,keep assault weapons off the street,tell the NRA to STFU every time a massacre happen. These are all things than can and should be done before the next mass killing.” I am asking you…clarify mental health evaluations and how would they be used? I am asking what degree of mental health issues do we need to prohibit gun ownership? I then asked you if our Vets that have fought for Republicans and Dems should be denied gun ownership if they seek mental health. I was merely asking you to clarify what should be looked for to determine mental health evaluation. I will be honest, I am a registered nurse of eight years (went to school after the Marine Corps on Chapter 31). I can tell you I work with mental health everyday and even I can’t tell who is too “mental.” You state mental health evaluations as part of a solution to preventing the next massacre, tell us medical professionals what we should look for. You can’t just put out, “hey mental health evals will help solve the problem.” Tell us what to look for because to be honest, this nurse and all mental health professionals I know are stumped. Do we pull away rights if they seek any mental health issues (like our vets)? Currently if you seek any form of mental health you are considered mentally ill. As I have said, that would take rights away from our Vets with minor mental health issues? Also as far as assault rifles, you are behind about 20 years. I own a AR15 and can NOT make if fully auto, nor would I want to. The M-16 A2 came out in the early 1980’s. It fires a three round burst as do many true assault rifles even to this day. The newer AR 15’s can NOT be converted. The reason for the three round burst is that the rise of the muzzle makes it impossible to keep on target and it waste shells. Many military personal wasted full magazines with only one shot on target. I know you might have seen a movie were the war hero holds it at his hip and fires away…this is just a movie. Factually it would be better if someone did convert (again doesn’t happen now) as they would waste all their ammo on air shots.
    As for handing off the M4s…were did you come up with that. You can NOT buy the same M4 the military uses nor can you buy military rifles. You can buy a AR15 SEMI AUTO with a m4 stock but it is not the same thing. The AR15 is classified as a sporter rifle (yes I know it looks big and black and scares you but it is simply just a rifle). You may have seen a few things on the internet so for you it must be true…but, I live in this world. I can dial a safe combination and actually have access to an AR 15 with a collapsible stock (what you would call an M4). Also you can get an AR10…which is only a .308 but all other cals would be custom rifles costing well over 5 grand (and yep it would cost that much…I own a Barrett 50 bmg for competition and it is well over the 7 grand mark).
    You also say that “Virtually every mass shooting is attributed to someone with mental problems.” Many are religious backed. San Bernadino shooting was backed by radical Muslim belief, not mental health. The Charleston Church shooting was about white supremacy. If you expand globally you will find, RELIGION, is the reason behind most mass murder.
    So with your logic, removing what you call assault rifles, and giving everyone a mental health exam will prevent mass murder. Can you explain the Boston Bombing (okay maybe we should have do a full mental exam on all people entering the US…wait….that was religious. Hey but banning AR15’s would have solved that problem…Wait what…he used a pressure cooker…OK ban all assault pressure cookers!!!). But of course the banning of assault rifles and a mental eval would have stopped the Oklahoma federal building bomber!!! WAIT, WHAT…He didn’t use an assault rifle and he didn’t show signs of mental illness…it was political? Okay lets ban politics!!!!…and moving trucks…and farmers fertilizer…. Dude banning and screening is not the answer. We need to fix America by raising the next generation right. Highly educated, engaged in the political process, elimination of the elite attitude, that is how we fix it.
    Again…you really need to stop looking at the internet and live in reality. There is a reason why every gun control measure the democratic party makes fails. They are not educated on the reality of gun violence and guns in general. Also they look for quick fixes which simply do not exist. To fix this issue will take a generation, it will not be fixed in the next month by banning rights.
    Also with the information you provided, I assume you are a mental health expert and also a firearm expert. Can you tell me you training, I can tell you mine.
    Get back on the porch and let the real dogs figure this issue out. Stop proclaiming yourself as and expert with expert advice when you are not.

  69. CJ Marine 2016-03-17 21:27

    Roger Cornelius
    “If guns don’t kill people, why do policemen and our young soldiers carry them when they go off to war.”
    I am not the final authority of firearms because I shot one in Afghanistan…and how dare you s— on our troops with that comment.
    Many of our returning troops have seen what happens in a broken society. I will say I will put up my expertise badge against both of you…not because of my time in Somalia (hey guess what we were there also)…but by my time as a rifle range coach/ instructor. Mike’s comments lead to the reader that he thinks he is the expert in mental health and firearms so I asked him to prove it. I asked him for his qualifications.
    I also know people like you. You sit back, run your mouth about matters you don’t know about and surround yourself with like minded people. I am not the final say involving guns, I just want the truth. We have a people problem in America. And as far as the, I shot the gun in Afghanistan comment….enjoy the FREEDOM of those that are willing to do so…because I can tell from your comment, you wouldn’t be willing.

  70. Darin Larson 2016-03-17 21:37

    CJ Marine- Since you are contending that society is broken, what is the difference in the absolute mountain of gun deaths in the US compared to other first world countries? Is US society more broken than say France, Britain, Canada, Italy, or Germany?

    I ask because it appears quite apparent that the reason gun deaths are out of control in the US is because of the prevalence of guns. And the answer to you and the NRA is: wait for it, MORE GUNS!

  71. CJ Marine 2016-03-17 21:45

    SOOO….SORRY…forgot to invite you.
    Mike and Roger. You can sit back behind your computer and put your nose up at our vets and the job they do or you can make a difference. The ABATE swap meet is going on this weekend at the Arena convention center. The Leathernecks (a Marine Corps MC) will have a booth set up there. You can contribute to Marine Corps Vet issues and receive information about what it is really like on all matters of what is reality in the Marine Corps (and know we are not expert on advice because we shot a gun in Afghanistan…as a matter of fact, not sure if we have a Afghan vet). We do however have a Somalia vet, a few Vietnam vets, Iraqi Vets and some that served in peacetime. We even have a Navy Corpsman to chat with you about mental health.
    Again…not trying to be a d— but don’t s— on our vets and call them so called experts. Also don’t act like you are the expert. If you do, prove it with some backing…I can. Again please feel invited to meet, or just hide behind you computer keyboard like a barking dog behind a closed screen door. I will even buy you both a beer if they are serving, otherwise you will just have to be satisfied with a free raffle ticked for a Kbar.

  72. leslie 2016-03-17 21:54

    1. “Our current presidential administration has vets so afraid of loosing rights by seeking mental health, that many vets go without help.”

    bull sheit

    2. “Also please realize that the NRA often remains quiet until publicly forced by the media and the White house to make a comment. It is the White House that uses tragedy to promote their agenda.”

    bull sheit

    take 2012, a very bad year.

    Aurora CO mall. 7.20.12.

    “There are going to be other days for politics,” the president said. “This, I think, is a time for prayer and reflection.”

    In that spirit, both the Obama campaign that of his Republican rival, Mitt Romney, began pulling their negative ads in Colorado, a key battleground state in the general election.

    The president also ordered flags to be flown at half-staff through Wednesday in honor of the victims.

    The two campaigns also quickly adjusted their schedules after the tragedy.” ***

    “ABC News incorrectly reported that the suspected shooter, James Holmes, may have been linked to the Tea Party, which confused Holmes with a man by the same name, outraged Tea Party members.

    The network apologized for the error.

    The conservative Breitbart News then suggested Holmes may have been a registered Democrat, before correcting its report to say he may not have been registered to vote at all.

    NYC Mayor Bloomberg [an actual billionaire], meanwhile said: ‘…there are so many murders with guns every day, it’s just got to stop and instead of the two people – President Obama and Gov. Romney – talking … about they want to make the world a better place, okay, tell us how.’ ”

    two years later:

    WASHINGTON (CBSDC/AP) — one week after a school shooting in Newtown, Conn., left 26 people dead, including 20 children,…during a press conference Friday, NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre said these people might still be alive today if school personnel were armed when 20-year-old gunman Adam Lanza entered Sandy Hook Elementary School (12.14.12).

    “The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is with a good guy with a gun,” LaPierre said.

    3. Assault rifle. I refer to M16s, AR15s, AK 47s among others as military rifles, “assault” for short, having read for years now that this means one knows nothing about guns, despite well entrenched methods to convert the semi-automatic versions to fully automatic machine guns. they are designed to deliver high volumes of fire in moments to kill human beings with magazines holding 15-100 rounds. The much higher powder capacity of these “.22-like lil’ varmit gun” casings” is so deliberately misleading to the general public that apologists have earned the moniker “ammosexual”.

    everybody now knows this and this johnny-come-lately response is as ineffective to the general public as is declaring that “good guy with a gun” should be the national and Harrisburg solution.

    2nd amendment over-reach is no different than republican obstruction/voter restriction–two strategies that will be little more than historical footnotes, hopefully, as society matures and demographics change.

    skin heads and armed patriots are no match for well reasoned common sense and group intelligence of an American majority.

  73. CJ Marine 2016-03-17 21:59

    Darin Larson, Not more guns…more people with gun safety training. In the 1960’s-1970’s gun safety was in many schools. AND if you look now, gun violence is down. Many gun manufactures have credited Obama as the #1 gun salesman. Gun ownership has climbed so much under his rule that gun manufactures could not keep up. Magazines for AR15s that sold for $10.00 were going for up to $50.00 (I know because I bought 20 mags at $10.00 and sold for $50.00).
    And we can not compare with other countries. You mention Germany…they have problems of their own…did you not hear of the 80+ rapes during December? They have strict gun control laws…..Of course we can always look at Chicago for a shining example of when law abiding citizens are deprived of gun ownership. My brother, before we can even get into a conversation about too many guns you must explain to me why a city with the strictest gun control measures in the US has so much death from violence…and explain how strict gun laws work for the 80 plus women raped in Germany…or just say Germany is irrelevant to the conversation.
    Also please look at modern data….Bill Mahr (a antigun advocate) even admitted gun violence is down. Can you actually provide me with stats?

  74. caheidelberger Post author | 2016-03-17 22:14

    Yo, CJ, we’re getting rather far afield, but I need to intervene. Roger’s comment—”If guns don’t kill people, why do policemen and our young soldiers carry them when they go off to war”—is not an insult to the military. Don’t try to pull people away from the issue at hand by flying the flag and calling the people disagreeing with insufficiently patriotic. Even if Roger had criticized the military (which wouldn’t have borne much weight on the central question here of whether guns have any business in our public schools, and the central answer remains no), who says the military is sacred and immune from criticism? Your lashing-out at Roger is not only unfounded (he didn’t say anything like what you accused him of saying) but also based on a specious rhetorical tactic (Roger criticized the military, so Roger is scum and his points are automatically invalid and I’m a studly debater for pointing it out!).

    Plus, we’re all behind computer keyboards right now. Roger, Darin, and I aren’t hiding; we’re using our real names. We invite you to do the same.

  75. caheidelberger Post author | 2016-03-17 22:17

    As CJ and, apparently, the NRA suggest, we should keep our guns locked up. Teachers should keep their guns locked up and at home, not in their classrooms.

  76. caheidelberger Post author | 2016-03-17 22:21

    CJ, I agree that our Legislature could save more lives by dedicating resources to helping veterans reintegrate in civilian life and deal with depression, PTSD, and other maladies that come from living in the constant state of danger and readiness to kill. (Whoa—tell me again why we want teachers and janitors and kids to move in that direction in our schools?). Our Legislature, however, chose to make “school sentinels” their banner issue in 2013. Tri-Valley is now foolishly adopting that policy. As a parent, educator, and advocate for sensible policy, I am thus obliged to comment on that foolish policy, rather than closing my eyes and pointing toward other better policies and projects while Tri-Valley commits a grave error that increases danger for children.

  77. caheidelberger Post author | 2016-03-17 22:23

    Hey, quick note on confidentiality: are concealed weapons permits public record? Can I contact the sheriff or the Secretary of State and find out who in my county has concealed weapons permits?

  78. Roger Cornelius 2016-03-17 22:23

    Sounds more and more like c.j.marine is trying to convince himself of something.
    I do not hide by hide behind my computer c.j.marine, my name is right there for you to see. Why do you hide behind a computer screen name c.j.marine?

  79. leslie 2016-03-17 22:25

    cj- it is unfortunate you say those without your intimate weapons knowledge “should not run their mouth”. you also assert “sheiting on vets”… which is not occurring. this is a liberal blog with liberals speaking opinions, just as you are welcome to dispute. remain civil.

    this is a recent example:

    “No one should be subjected to such a cowardly, unprovoked act as that committed by McGraw,” Cumberland County Sheriff Earl Butler said in a news release. “Regardless of political affiliation, speech, race, national origin, color, gender, bad reputation, prior acts, or political demonstration, no other citizen has the right to assault another person or to act in such a way as this defendant did.”

    McGraw was [eventually, along with 5 eventually suspended by-standing officers who took NO action] arrested and charged with assault and disorderly conduct, police said.

    An additional charge of communicating threats was later added because police said McGraw made threatening statements to Jones, saying he enjoyed hitting “that loudmouth” and that next time he would “kill him.”

    view the video and you will see McGraw used the same words about running his mouth that you just did. it seems justice is often only possible when captured on video so you can’t spin “assault rifle”, .223 caliber, president and not NRA is the culprit, semi auto can’t be converted, ect., ect., ect.

    McGraw’s next court date is April 6, 2016.

    in the heat of constitutional debate, protest and participation in the rough and tumble political process, violence and physical intimidation has no place. that’s what you fought for and I honor you for it.

    draft no. 254

  80. Roger Cornelius 2016-03-17 22:33

    C’mon c.j.marine, be proud, be a marine, and don’t hide behind your computer screen.
    Is there something you are a ashamed of that we shouldn’t know your real name?

  81. Roger Cornelius 2016-03-17 22:44

    Anyway, back to the assault weapon thing, it is my contention that all guns of any make or model are potentially assault weapons.
    If any gun of any kind is used to maim or murder someone the person responsible is usually charged with criminal assault, assault with a concealed weapon, assault with an unregistered firearm or any of a host of charges.
    Therefore, the laws define what kind of weapons they are.

  82. leslie 2016-03-17 22:48

    one last thing cj:
    other than mental heath assertions we can debate if you prove your statement, and the real, critical “22 project” (just like 20 kids injured daily by guns), you’ve heard of the Kochs relationship w/ NRA, right? They just moved into SD before the last election.

    Debbie Wasserman Schultz attributed the recall-election loss of two Democratic Colorado state senators last night to “voter suppression, pure and simple.” “Tuesday’s low turnout was a result of efforts by the NRA, the Koch brothers, and other right-wing groups who know that when more people vote, Democrats win,” the Democratic National Committee chair said in a statement. Dismissing the victory of two Republican state senators as “a hollow one,” Wasserman Schultz blamed the turnout on the recall-election process confusing voters.

    Read more at:

    Kochs are notorious for using little states and little school district to spread their message. so yah, it is entirely plausible after 3 years on the books, they are exploiting their influence with SDGOP and Harrisburg as a test case.

  83. CJ Marine 2016-03-17 23:03

    Leslie…I am going to assume you are talking to me but you didn’t address me directly. “Our current presidential administration has vets so afraid of loosing rights by seeking mental health, that many vets go without help….you called BS. I have been asking for were you derive this knowledge and asking to prove it. I can prove that I have mental health training as a Registered nurse of 8 years and also Vets not seeking health as I am currently working on Project 22 (a veterans mental health issue as 22 vets every day commit suicide….). Got to ask since you called BS on the Vets not seeking help (Describe in detail project 22 and the impact it had in Sioux Falls….I CAN). I am more than happy to prove this with other nurses that are working on Project 22. Were does YOUR expertise come from??? and are you willing to prove it???? I can…
    ” skin heads and armed patriots are no match for well reasoned common sense and group intelligence of an American majority.” Then why do you always loose? Obama asked for a vote and got it…then cried like a little b*tch when it didn’t go his way. AMERICA VOTED…HE LOST.
    As for AR15 being converted. You can buy a full auto AR15 but it must be pre 1986 ban a conversion will cost on the high side of $13,000 with the machining and licensing. The rifles now would have to be machined out to accommodate the proper shear parts (again fully illegal and a felony). You would be better off machining your own rifle on a printer…it would be cheaper at about 8 grand…again existing laws make it a major felony. Anyone selling parts on the internet or claiming they can do it is a scam. (Wow, once I heard of a supplement on the internet were I can live to be 120 years old….must be true if it is on the internet).
    Listen, I am only asking you all prove what you are saying. I can prove what I have said: I was a Marine that worked at a rifle range and taught marksmanship,I am a RN and have mental health training, I have worked with Vet mental health at the VA and with Project 22, I live the gun culture and talk at least three times a week with gunsmiths, I am a member of the NRA and trust me, I am not part of a conspiracy like Mike from Iowa stated trying to force my agenda on Tri-Valley (matter of fact, didn’t even know about it until it was on the news). I can say the NRA is not interested in this little battle, we work at a presidential/ state senate level.
    As for your quotes, can you provide proof they were BEFORE the white house and press pressured the NRA for comment? Also a teacher at Sandy Hook had time to try to shield her students from the gunman….of course she and several students died….can you say 100% that if this teacher was armed with proper advanced training that she could not have saved herself and her students????? I can only say she might have made a difference that could have saved lives. And for you comment, The only thing to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun….Okay I would consider our police force as good guys with a gun (would you?). And do you think our police force (good guys) would be as effective without guns? Also I would consider our military good guys, should we take their guns away and see how they fare????
    As far as people getting killed in violent attacks….Please look up the Oklahoma bombing (NO GUN INVOLVED). Evil will find a way to kill. The old saying amount Marines is, I can make a bomb out of Bisquick.
    If we pull automatic weapons, people will go to long range bolt action weapons. If we pull bolt action single shot long range weapons, people will go to shot guns, if we pull shotguns, people will build bombs. Keep in mind, if we stopped producing weapons tomorrow (modern guns can last well over 200 years). Watch pawn stars…some of guns are over a century old and still work.
    One thing I can tell you. As I write this I have a barrett .50 cal bmg that I bought legally through Scheels on a camp type table next to me. It has a scope and a range of over a mile. It is not even close to being banned as it is a single shot bolt action. My AR 15 carries as 55 grain bullet and is not designed to kill (M-16’s and anything like it were designed to cause a casualty, that way you take the wounded and two other combatants that have to carry him off the battlefield). The Barrett .50 bmg carries a 650 to 800 grain bullet….I would rather face the tiny 55 grain bullet.
    So now for the proof…You all are running your mouth, I say prove it. I will write a check to you for $5000.00 if I can NOT prove that I own both the .50 bmg, an AR15, that I worked as a Rifle range instructor in the Marine Corps, that I am a Registered Nurse, that I worked for the VA, that I worked on Project 22 in Sioux Falls. Those are my creds….what are yours (real world and factual, not the internet). This is were I draw my knowledge from…were do you?
    I am asking for proof….not internet garbage.

  84. CJ Marine 2016-03-17 23:08

    Roger not hiding behind a computer…as I said. Feel free to come down to the ABATE swap meet as my guest and I will buy you the drink of your choice to talk about his. And I do go by CJ or Corey or Squirrel as I am referred to in Leathernecks MC. We would welcome you to speak your mind, but please give to our charity, Toys for Tots and Project 22.

  85. Roger Cornelius 2016-03-17 23:14

    Sioux Falls is quite a distance from Rapid City, especially for this elderly guy that can’t travel too much, especially to join a love fest of guns.

    Your offer to buy me a drink of my choice is generous of you, but does not solve the problem of you hiding behind a computer screen name, nice dodge, too bad it didn’t work.

  86. CJ Marine 2016-03-17 23:16

    Leslie…Project 22 is not 22 project. Please do not make fun of this issue. Every day 22 veterans commit suicide. Please acknowledge and have some respect for those that fight for your freedom to write in this review. As I have said…I will prove it or give you a $5000.00 check. It seems like this is not important for you but it is real. You can jump my butt all you want but don’t make fun of this issue by disrespecting our Vets. Check the link below for info. We had it at the Century theater. It was packed with Vets and even many service dogs. We fought so you could say what you want to say, maybe at least say thank you to these Vets.

  87. CJ Marine 2016-03-17 23:32

    Okay Roger, ABATE is not a gun fest LOL. It is a group that works with political parties on motorcycle safety issues. It has many Christian members and includes members from all groups such as BACA (Bikers against child abuse) Christian bikers etc. It is actually a event that is held yearly to catch up with other bikers and to sell parts or give ideas. We (Leathernecks MC) will be there promoting toys for tots and Project 22. It is true we will sell tickets for a Marine Corps KBar and a hunting shotgun (proceeds go to veterans issues). Trust me…it is on city property and is NOT a gun show or gun fest. And why do you want my name so bad, Leslie gave her first name, Mike didn’t give his full name…are you sweet on me…LOL. Also I just think you might be the type that has nothing better to do than harass someone. Like I said, willing to meet you face to face and discuss issues. You also must realize that you should never give your full name on the internet. Hey is Elisabeth related to you?

  88. leslie 2016-03-17 23:57

    repeating, NOBODY I know here sheits on vets. you could watch the running your mouth vid. as a parent of an 18 year old marine new recruit suicide, having worked daily w/police forces for years (people know me here); repeating, “the real, critical “22 project” (just like 20 kids injured daily by guns)” has all my respect. as does the 20 kids a day stat.

    respect others, dude, and take a breath. adrenalin can be addictive.

  89. leslie 2016-03-18 00:04

    oh, forgot, if you can get the vet/mental health debate going on your statement, i’m all ears. gimme a citation.

  90. Roger Cornelius 2016-03-18 01:15

    Okay c.j.marine, if you are willing to meet me face to face but won’t give me your name, how in the hell do you expect me to know who in the hell you are.
    leslie, mfi, and a few others on DFP don’t insult me.
    I’m not worried about giving my whole name, I’m willing to man up for any comments I make, are you?

  91. barry freed 2016-03-18 07:33

    Cory asked: Why should you shy from using cyber bullying?

    Because it is illegal and it is actionable? Because it’s childish and shows you have no argument so you lash out in frustration? Like a President who can’t convince his constituents or Congress of his gun argument and rules by edict. He is another frustrated name caller and shares the blame for the rise of Trump.

    As a test of whether you are once again being a bigot, just plug in other negative sexual tags in place of your sophomoric “ammosexual”. If you would not insert “fag”, then why are you using ammosexual? Your bigotry is justified? All bigots believe they are justified. Look at yourself.

    Leslie, mfi, Jenny, et al: You would be decimated, were I to lower myself to your level of vitriol and disrespectful personal attacks.

    You people have no right to criticize the NRA citations when you cite your left wing funded research that claims teenage, convicted violent felons who illegally possess guns to kill each other in public gun fights are: “children”.


  92. caheidelberger Post author | 2016-03-18 07:41

    “Ammosexual” is not bullying. Claiming so is to descend into the microaggression language of the more liberal campuses that would bind us all in silence. I contend that “ammosexual” accurately describes a mania for guns arising from fantasies about the phallic power of firearms. “Ammosexual” accurately diagnoses a mental problem that puts others at risk.

  93. mike from iowa 2016-03-18 08:00

    Barry-Geez,were you named after the Potus? I could stand to lose a couple hundred kilos of blubber. Decimate me,bud.

  94. Darin Larson 2016-03-18 08:05

    CJ Marine you say “Of course we can always look at Chicago for a shining example of when law abiding citizens are deprived of gun ownership. My brother, before we can even get into a conversation about too many guns you must explain to me why a city with the strictest gun control measures in the US has so much death from violence…and explain how strict gun laws work for the 80 plus women raped in Germany…or just say Germany is irrelevant to the conversation.”

    So, we can’t talk about why the country with by far the largest number of guns per capita of First World nations has by far the largest number of gun deaths?

    You talk about Chicago having strict gun control laws. Chicago gun violence was out of control way before they had strict gun control laws. The laws which you call strict and I call a joke, were a reaction to the rampant gun violence. They did not cause it and they have not enabled it as you seem to infer.

    The Supreme Court has decided that there is no such thing as Constitutional strict gun control in the US. See District of Columbia v. Heller.

    You can take the incidence of rape in Germany and attribute that to not enough guns, but you can’t understand the connection between the largest number of guns per capita with the largest number of deaths from gun violence in the developed world?

  95. mike from iowa 2016-03-18 08:14

    Bush called it a youthful indiscretion,….drugs/booze……….dumbass dubya was in his 30s.

    “The statute of limitations has long since passed on my youthful indiscretions,” Hyde said in a statement. “Suffice it to say Cherie Snodgrass and I were good friends a long, long time ago-Former SOH Henry Hyde was 41 and she was 29 at the time.

    These so called grownups claimed to be children in their 30s and 40s.

  96. barry freed 2016-03-18 08:27

    Cory’s words using another group of people:

    “Fag” is not bullying. Claiming so is to descend into the microaggression language of the more conservative campuses that would bind us all in silence. I contend that “Fag” accurately describes a mania for deviant sex arising from fantasies about the phallic power of men. “Fag” accurately diagnoses a mental problem that puts others at risk.

  97. barry freed 2016-03-18 08:37

    Hello, goodbye, and thank you for your service.

    This is a familiar circle jerk with little to no critical thinking and a lot of disrespect and name calling. All led by a fearless liberal who will encourage and participate in disrespectful and sometimes illegal discourse* by calling his fellow South Dakotans: “hippies”, “dopers”, and “ammosexuals”. In South Dakota, “Most Liberal” is a low bar indeed.

    I say goodbye as anyone who dares to ask for citations or proof of the sometimes overly emotional rhetoric is met with hate and very personal ridicule by a circle of jerks until the poster leaves. They do, however, expect you to cite any and every observation you make, and then attack your citation without reading it.

    These people will take for granted, their safety, that comes from would be home invaders assuming that most every home in South Dakota has guns and that one in ten people walking the bike path at night is armed, but they won’t do their anti-gun proselytizing in Memorial Park after dark, nor will they erect a sign in their front yard informing home invaders that there are: “No Guns in This House”. Not one of them. They appear not capable of critical thinking. They cannot understand that SD has Gangs, just as Chicago, but we don’t have home invasions like Chicago. We do have a few home invasions and unlike Chicago, criminals get shot here and the home owners are not arrested. Guns have no effect on the equation in their minds.

    They will eagerly await your next post so they can yet again attack, so please accept this, my cat tossed into the middle of a big dog fight and know there is at least one person in SD that believes in Freedom for all in their personal choices, and not just alternative sexuals and bannosexäls.


  98. Jenny 2016-03-18 09:00

    I have my watch dog for protection, I would never you own or use a gun, and damn it, all you ammosexuals better respect me for that. :)

    My dog is a dang good one, and barks and growls at every little noise at night. Home invaders don’t take a chance at the house with a barking dog. So back off or I’ll get Fido. :)

  99. Daniel Buresh 2016-03-18 09:05

    “repeating, NOBODY I know here sheits on vets.”

    No, you just continue to use deragotory terms describe gun enthusiasts which many are vets. Cory, what does having a passion and hobby for shooting have to do with my sexuality? Are you suggesting that I prefer to f@ck my guns? I heard a story about you pulling a weapon on a bunch of HS students toilet papering your home, does that make you more of an “ammosexual” than you all claim myself to be? I have never had an incident with a weapon. I have never supported anything but stricter gun laws towards storage and misuse, but most gun owners like myself know the gov’t doesn’t pursue violations like they should. I have never carried a weapon in an unsafe manner or left it on a starbucks counter. But hey, I must be one of them because my hobby includes precision shooting so that makes me worthy of degradation because, you know, the ends justify the means.

    “I say goodbye as anyone who dares to ask for citations or proof of the sometimes overly emotional rhetoric is met with hate and very personal ridicule by a circle of jerks until the poster leaves. They do, however, expect you to cite any and every observation you make, and then attack your citation without reading it.”

    Welcome to Dakota Free Press, where everything they say is right….IF you disagree, they will degrade you because that is all the justification they need to classify you as a bad person. Most of the regular posters on this blog should seek mental help because their continued blathering is just proof of a mental illness.

  100. Jenny 2016-03-18 09:08

    I went to a safe neighborhood meeting in my town last year and someone asked what is the best protection for you and your family and the police officers said “a barking dog”. Police officers know there is more trouble with guns in a house.

  101. Daniel Buresh 2016-03-18 09:13

    “Police officers know there is more trouble with guns in a house.”

    Police officers aren’t going to suggest a gun to people who aren’t trained to handle one. They know the sort of person asking that type of question.

  102. Jenny 2016-03-18 09:13

    I don’t know why Larry or Mike from Iowa have to resort to name calling, but they just come with the territory. There are bullies in every group. The boys just can’t behave sometimes, and I agree they need to be taken out to then tool shed when they get that way.

  103. mike from iowa 2016-03-18 09:19

    CJMarine-if you think for one minute a fully automatic assault weapon can’t be are seriously delirious. Gun ranges have them. Wasn’t long ago a young girl in Arizona was handed an Uzi and managed to kill her instructor in full auto mode. Another kid killed hisownself that way at a gun range. You can legally own full automatic weapons,with proper fed permits, or you can buy them on the black market.

    I don’t have answers to mental evaluations. Somewhere,I can guarantee it,the military has done studies on this subject and I can almost guarantee the NRA and their paid whores in Congress are probably fighting to keep this info under wraps,like they do with other stats that might lead to more regulations.

    You served your country,great. Very admirable. Now look at congress and tell me which party is obstructing funding for Vet care,present and long term?

  104. Daniel Buresh 2016-03-18 09:19

    Jenny, your continued ways of classifying every gun owner as an ammosexual makes you a bully as well. Not to mention, you are able to make a declaration of how all police officers feel based on one comment at a public meeting. Being so perfect and right must make life so easy for you.

  105. mike from iowa 2016-03-18 09:45

    Jenny,is that an offer to take me behind the wood shed and spank me? I accept.

  106. barry freed 2016-03-18 09:57

    So let us call a truce, quit calling names, judging each other, and come together. If we wouldn’t say in front of a class of 3rd Graders, we shouldn’t say it at all.

    Locally, we strengthen ourselves by strengthening our Initiated Measure and Referral Systems. We need to defend them from interests both local and from out of State. From those who seek to abuse them or even weaken and abolish them.

  107. mike from iowa 2016-03-18 10:06

    You want a truce when you are behind? Talk to this ingrate from Mo.

    Sen. Elizabeth Warren has a message for the GOP lawmaker who compared her to “Star Wars” villain Darth Vader: The force is not strong with you.

    Rep. Blaine Leutkemeyer (R-MO) reportedly told an audience at the American Bankers Association on Wednesday that they should “find a way to neuter” the Massachusetts senator and referred to her as the “Darth Vader of the financial services world.”

  108. leslie 2016-03-18 10:51

    cj said:

    Obama asked for a vote and got it…then cried like a little b*tch when it didn’t go his way.

    pretty disrespectful. gen. crystal said something like that to Obama and got fired {rollingstone magazine} while adulterating with a groupie.

    I do call barry “carry” sometimes when he gets overly righteous, like cj just did. some of you folks “cry” when you get stern recrimination from saying stupid things. it takes a village man. assault rifle is a term that does a better job defining militarization of citizen weapons than ammosexual does, and i’m pretty sure I haven’t called any of u big lugs that. the multiple starbux gun displays in SD AND NATIONALLY ARE PATHETIC, dangerous AND DESERVE such a moniker, imo. having a female president that doesn’t think carrying in 2016 is too bright is who I want with her finger on the button in this violent world. if a majority elects her, not an incompetent like geo. “bring it on” bush who deserved the criticism he brought on himself for plunging the world into a perpetual state of war.

    while I say thank you tearfully to every vet I meet, should you do the same to Obama for keeping us out of wars AND taking force to enemies ONLY when necessary? guess my opinion.

    I hazard a guess that cj doesn’t even know the significance of draft no. 254. but he knows all about sears and guns smiths and semi/burst/full auto. I kno you overload .223 ammo “shells-what are those anyway?” so they spin the round effecting a dum dum so the varmit explodes. fun. I wonder if the armed and Kevlar clad patriots sighting in cops at bunkerville had ar15s that had auto burst mods? what do you think?

    these are dangerous blogs because someone out there will use a gun. and that someone likely carrying in this day and age might be you, barry.

  109. mike from iowa 2016-03-18 10:59

    cj- FYI my name was revealed September 23, 2013 in a post about Watertown Homecoming Ki-Yi celebration. Scroll down the list of over 400 comments and you will find it.

  110. leslie 2016-03-18 11:08

    Daniel, I seem to recall you are a young professional who thinks he knows it all. maybe w/ a westerner slant, I don’t remember. yet you say: “Most of the regular posters on this blog should seek mental help because their continued blathering is just proof of a mental illness.”


    “Being so perfect and right must make life so easy for you.” keep saying stupid things and wonder why you get grief here.

    many of us here know each other, are active in a healthy way in our communities, and have done a lot in our varied lives. our politics are who we are, in some part, just as yours are you. when I disagree with yours, if important in the big picture, you are gonna hear about it. these are anything but uninformed voters.

    respect is earned. your comments above get you nowhere.

  111. mike from iowa 2016-03-18 11:16

    cj-slight correction. The article was posted in 2014, not 2013. My humblest apologies. If you bother to look,you will find it here: mike from iowa
    2014.09.24 AT 19:48

  112. leslie 2016-03-18 11:24

    finally Daniel or barry, for the third time, nurse cj said, blaming the president:

    “Our current presidential administration has vets so afraid of loosing rights by seeking mental health, that many vets go without help.”

    some of my dear friends for years run vet centers for decades.

    this big statement is likely based on his respected nursing experience. when a medical professional blames Obama for the state of his profession, he/she has let partisanship creep into objective professionalism. prove it. i say. my students used cite their papers with bill o’reily books. geez.

    public education teachs when to cite, and with what quality source.

    and we are lucky to have a debate coach run this blog, no small matter. I haven’t seen a high bar even close on your side.

  113. Daniel Buresh 2016-03-18 11:26

    I meet stupidity with stupidity. When a discussion starts out with derogatory name calling that people continue to justify, I will simply point out how stupid they really are. If you think calling people an ammosexual is ok, then as Barry put it, you should have no problem calling homosexuals fags or queers. They are meant to degrade and they offer nothing to the conversation. Generalizing all gun owners and enthusiasts as ammosexuals, is no different than me generalizing all blacks as thugs or the dreaded n-word. The terms are not brought into the discussion to promote logical and rational discussion. They are brought in to degrade and dehumanize people with other beliefs systems. We are law abiding citizens who pay the same taxes that you do and are afforded the same rights. In a topic like this, you will have my respect and I will return my commentary with such respect when you start the discussion off by doing the same. I am very active in my community in a very healthy way and I have come from humble beginnings and worked my butt off to get to where I am. I haven’t forgotten where I came from so I put my money where my mouth is. Much of where the gun problem is has to do more with culture than the physical items we are arguing about. Remember, the biggest fear a young black man has is from another young black man. Comparing the likes of Chicago to SD is a false equivocation. You aren’t going to stop the violence Chicago has by taking away all the weapons in the country. It’s a cultural problem, where generation after generation, the bad ideas and groups continue to get promoted. Do I have the complete answer? No. We are not like other 1st world countries and we never will be. To continue to point out their successes without pointing out the culture and demographics that promote those success is disingenuous. We need our own solutions, because what works for others, is not going to work here.

  114. leslie 2016-03-18 12:10

    bubygottago but:

    “You people have no right to criticize the NRA citations when you cite your left wing funded research”

    come on. that’s like saying Left wing Obama can’t appoint a judge because “You people”… cite your ‘left wing funded’ research.” (emphasis added)

    bbc was one of the cites. so was nih. google ’em.

    if you wanna argue NRA has cred then lets do it. I was raised w/ just as many guns as you but I don’t buy their swill.

    I for one like the compact succinctness of STFU NRA. Mfi and larry goad “you people” to think. thank you. amma gonna keep it until you red necks prove its wrong. good luck. [a fed. judge recently publically said STFU to SCOTUS (SCALIA VERSION) after the hobby lobby decision]. that, CITIZENS UNITED, and the Medicaid expansion debacle have deeply hurt the nation, not to mention HELLER, is it? thx scalia ect. brilliant, my ass :)

  115. Roger Cornelius 2016-03-18 12:20

    To be clear, c.j.marine accused me of hiding and writing from behind my computer when it is clear that my name is on the comment for all to view.
    I called out c.j. as well as a few others that he was the one hiding behind an anonymous name.
    He further accused me of not calling out leslie and mfi for not using real names and my response was that they never insult me or call me names and accuse me of hiding behind a computer.
    c.j. got caught for being a hypocrite, plain and simple. He attempted several diversionary tactics by inviting to an ABATE gathering and offering to buy me a drink, that didn’t work either and c.j.marine still has not revealed his name.
    My challenge him to was not out of frustration or an attempt to harass him, it was because he challenged me and I met his challenge and he got frustrated.
    Barry, I do not take threats, even subtle ones, lightly and am always prepared for one. If my home is ever invaded, you are at the top of the suspect list.

  116. Jenny 2016-03-18 12:31

    Chill out, Daniel. People hear are just calling the gun freaks ammos, not normal gun people.

  117. Jenny 2016-03-18 12:38

    Sheesh, what is it about guns that gets people riled up.

  118. leslie 2016-03-18 12:41

    I appreciate barry’s efforts toward compromise.

    cynic Daniel however can’t seem to get enough. stupid is as stupid does. u started early in the thread as an apologist saying “Looks like un-involved parents have nothing to complain about since it was a long time in the making.” are u a parent? I know u are busy because u “work your butt off” angrily it seems. we all have.

    your fight over ammosexual is misdirected at me.

    be assured if you need to open carry or concealed carry in public, however, I have no time for you. there are circumstances in a persons’ psyche where there are exceptions. I enjoy civil society, not a society of guns. enthusiasts can carry all they want at the skeet range. wear a holster in starbux? dumb. bear country, sure.

    somebody calls you an ammosexual regarding starbux? why wouldn’t they? there is likely a whole freud – thing that could be right on.

    aren’t u the guy who thinks Lakota shouldn’t rename Harney peak? got a good reason?

  119. leslie 2016-03-18 12:42

    I really do have to go for now. maybe we can work this out Daniel.

  120. Craig 2016-03-18 12:43

    Darin: “Craig, are you saying you can’t get one of these?”

    I’m saying you would have a hard time finding a licensed dealer who would sell one to you. If you did manage to get one, you might find the technology is less than reliable… and although I don’t like the idea of guns in schools, even I’ll admit that if the time came where it was needed it sure would be nice if it actually worked.

    You should watch/read this… it discusses some of the controversy surrounding these types of weapons:

  121. Craig 2016-03-18 12:44

    Perhaps we should ask if guns in schools really serves as a deterrent? Because if one or two random people in a school have guns, how many people will die by a gunman before one of them is able to respond? How many more will die in the crossfire with a gun battle occurring in the hallways of a school?

    Many use Harrisburg as an example of how gun violence can happen anywhere – so how would that situation have ended if a staff member had a gun? The way it did end was 0 lives lost. With a shootout or a staff member with a gun responding from a different room… what would have changed?

    At the end of the day a properly trained dog would be a lot more useful than someone trained with a gun. The problem is the ASPCA doesn’t fund political campaigns.

  122. Jenny 2016-03-18 12:46

    A normal gun person to me would be one who doesn’t feel like he has to open carry everywhere. Where he gets out his guns during hunting season only. That’s normal. Target shooting practice maybe once a month. That’s all normal.

  123. Daniel Buresh 2016-03-18 14:29

    ” u started early in the thread as an apologist saying “Looks like un-involved parents have nothing to complain about since it was a long time in the making.” are u a parent? I know u are busy because u “work your butt off” angrily it seems. we all have.”

    I stated that because everyone was claiming this was all done under the radar, when in fact, it was posted long before the decision was made. It just goes to show how un-involved people are in their children’s schooling. That’s half the reason why our schools are in such disarray. Gone are the days of supporting teachers, but it is more about defending their kids because those kids are never wrong. Not little johnny. That is a different discussion entirely.

    “be assured if you need to open carry or concealed carry in public, however, I have no time for you. there are circumstances in a persons’ psyche where there are exceptions. I enjoy civil society, not a society of guns. enthusiasts can carry all they want at the skeet range. wear a holster in starbux? dumb. bear country, sure.”

    The only time I open carry is to and from hunting or the range. IF I have to make a stop on the way, that gun is better secured on my hip than it is sitting on the passenger seat of my vehicle. A person who conceal carry’s responsibly will never have anyone be the wiser that it is being done. I have no problem with that, because if and when something happens, I’m not going to stick around and wait for the police to save me. I hope those conceal carriers do what they can to help. Even if those people are carrying and showing it off, would you degrade people who are flamboyant about their beliefs because they don’t align with yours? If it is legal, then I don’t feel they should be degraded for it. There are many legal things that I don’t agree with, but I’m not about to come up with names to call them and act like I am justified. To each their own.

    “Somebody calls you an ammosexual regarding starbux?”

    No, they are calling us that because we own weapons and nothing more. They call us that because we don’t believe everything they do. They don’t want us to have weapons….period. When our homes get burglarized, they want us to cower in fear until the police arrive. I will not do that. I will be responsible for my own life on my own property and if that means having a small safe next to my nightstand, so be it. I personally know people who have had their homes robbed in Madison while they slept, going so far as to taking the wallet off their dresser next to the bed they are laying in.

    “aren’t u the guy who thinks Lakota shouldn’t rename Harney peak? got a good reason?”

    Again, an entirely different discussion. I don’t care what they do. If it were up to me, I’d get rid of reservations entirely so we don’t create subsets of our population which ultimately continues their demise. We are too worried about how we are different, rather than promoting how we are the same. Cultures won’t be anymore lost than how my immigrant ancestry is lost. I still eat a lot of dumplings and sauerkraut.

  124. mike from iowa 2016-03-18 14:40

    Ammosexual is no way near as intentionally hateful as “queer” or “fag”. End of the discussion.

  125. Daniel Buresh 2016-03-18 15:05

    How does one rank such a thing without asking the offended? Are you telling us that a homosexual being called a queer or fag is worse than a law abiding gun owner being called an ammosexual? Both sets of terms are meant to degrade. Seems to me like that would be up to the person who is offended by such terms and that means the person saying it really has no ground to stand on when determining the level of hatred by using it. Hate is hate. It just goes to show how full of shit you are and how you will continually justify being a bigot.

  126. mike from iowa 2016-03-18 15:41

    Buresh,there have been decades of use of derogatory terms for Gays. Maybe even longer. Ammosexual has been around for a year or two. Not even butt hurt wingnuts can claim to have had their feelers hurt in a year or two as have Gay people who have actually suffered hate,discrimination,beatings and deaths for all their lives.

    Here is an ammosexual,DB. Are you this type of person? If not,don’t sweat the name.

  127. mike from iowa 2016-03-18 15:43

    DB,ever look at your self-righteous self in a mirror when you post stuff?

  128. Daniel Buresh 2016-03-18 15:59

    Time means nothing when it comes to slurs. New terms are being coined all the time, but that doesn’t make them any less harmful than ones that have been around for ages.

    No, I am not that type of person. Neither are the people who feel they want an armed sentinel in their school. Classifying them as such only alienates potential allies, while making you feel all morally superior and tingly inside, and will not get you any closer to the position that you want them to agree with you on. Self Righteous? If asking that you don’t degrade and dehumanize people who disagree with you makes me self-righteous, then so be it. I’m not the one trying to justify degrading an entire segment of people like you are.

  129. mike from iowa 2016-03-18 16:30

    I don’t need justification. I just state my opinions. If you feel degraded,go buy some more guns. It is the NRA way to handle life’s little conflicts.

  130. barry freed 2016-03-19 09:15

    I quit, when using the word Fag doesn’t faze, you people have issues that can’t be fixed with facts or logic.

  131. leslie 2016-03-20 11:45

    here’s a training idea. do you know 100 lawyers in RC? I do. they are some 20 public defenders, some 20-30 states attorneys, 20-30 some judges, and a bunch of clerks, cops and other law trained people that work every day, all day long with criminal defendants that have fundamental alcohol, addiction and mental health afflictions that taxpayers spend millions and billions on housing institutionally.

    do they have any, any training concerning these fundamental behavioral affictions? no, most likely they do not but they react daily on internalized stigma society feeds us.

    but our legislature and Harrisburg school district wants to train somebody secretly that wants it, a few hours so they can gun down invaders.


  132. leslie 2016-03-20 12:01

    mfi @15:43 pretty much nailed yah. you are way outta his league.

    I would just say to your quote “law abiding gun owner”– Zimmerman stalks and kills Trayvon martin in a hoodie

    ps: you wear your firearm in public for convenience and you are asking for reaction. from law abiding citizens in the ENTIRE free world. put it under your car seat at the gas station. I know it is inconvenient and your four year old (dodging the question of whether you have any parental experience which often dispels self righteousness) might shoot you in the back.

    there are no bigots here, just concerned responsible adults. if your feelings get hurt, a gun is not the solution.

  133. caheidelberger Post author | 2016-03-20 17:02

    Barry, I reject the substitution argument you offer. “Fag” is simply an insult. “Ammosexual” is a well crafted critique of exactly the mental process taking place. “Ammosexual” is far closer to “homosexual” than to “fag.”

    Barry, you don’t seem to be deeming the word offensive; your argument seems to ban the entire critique. Do I offend even by offering the critique that lots of advocates for guns are mingling machismo, libido, and bloodlust? (I don’t know if I can express the critique any more concisely than that without using the word ammosexual.)

  134. leslie 2016-03-21 07:32

    AMMOSEXUAL will determine the GOP nominee choice:

    We know Trump “Steak” can bring home the bacon — we’ve heard it a thousand times. He’s made millions and millions of dollars, etc., but is he the true conservative?

    Or does that mantle belong to Texas’ Ted Cruz, who not only brings home the bacon, but also cooks it for his family on the weekends after church — using a machine gun.

    “Of course, in Texas, we cook bacon a little differently than most folks,” Cruz says in his campaign video, as he demonstrates wrapping bacon around the barrel of a machine gun and then firing off several rounds to cook it.

    “Mmm, machine-gun bacon,” he then says with a smile, sounding truly conservative.
    [the man is sick–an ammosexual]

    Machine-gun bacon Cruz or Trump steak? It’s a tough choice…both of whom surely will be packing heat as they dazzle the daylights out of the delegates.

    And the more guns the merrier. Because more guns will make the attendees more safe while rioting and eating red meat.

    “If you had more guns, you’d have more protection because the right people would have the guns,” Trump said, and without guns mentally ill people (maybe even Cruz supporters) could “come through the cracks” and “do things that people will not even believe are possible.”

    And on this point, Cruz agrees.

    “You don’t stop bad guys by taking away our guns; you stop bad guys by using our guns,” insists Cruz.

    huffpo today

  135. leslie 2016-03-21 07:38

    oh, the machine gun 45 year old cruz shoots is an ASSAULT RIFLE isn’t it, an AR15, converted to full auto, if I remember. wonder if he has a license or just went to a family shooting range to film his campaign vid??

    cruz now has to convert himself to a METROSEXUAL to steal the millenial vote from Hillary.

  136. caheidelberger Post author | 2016-03-21 09:31

    Furthermore, “fag” is used to oppress a vulnerable minority. “Ammosexual” is used by people not caarrying guns to respond to people carrying guns. Those different power dynamics put the two terms on very different footings.

  137. Daniel Buresh 2016-03-21 10:00

    It is a derogatory term meant to insult those who don’t agree with you, end of discussion. Keep justifying it all you want but it doesn’t change that fact. Again Cory, are you suggesting that I like to have sex with my guns? If not, then it has nothing to do with defining my sexual preferences as you are trying to imply. Keep it up, you’ll lose this election based on these remarks alone towards gun owners.

  138. mike from iowa 2016-03-21 10:25

    It was filmed at Central iowa Impact gun range in Boone,iowa. Cruz mistakenly said it was a machine gun. It was not.

  139. Bob Newland 2016-03-21 11:07

    I am suburbosexual.

  140. mike from iowa 2016-03-21 12:02

    Ammosexuals like to show off their external Johnsons for the entire world to see and admire. The Ammosexual in the provided link above,is holding his hostage,as you can clearly see. Maybe he is hoping to force it to grow larger. If only you could buy after market products to extend the length and carrying capacity of one’s own weapon.

  141. leslie 2016-03-21 12:36

    not that cruz’ ads are worth highlighting for accuracy or truth or anything else but he said ” we cook bacon for the family a little differently in texas” while he shot the vid in iowa, as mfi knows (…everything!). kind of a white lie.

    then cruz called it “machine gun bacon” but really it was a lowly $1500 ar15 semi auto rifle looking all black and sinister exactly like a military assault rifle but w/o a burst or an auto selector gear shift. damn. wonder if cruz actually knows the difference, or maybe he just lied to create more controversy.

    the gun range attendant said “it was crispy, just how he likes it”. given the tiny sample eaten by cruz, its hard to know if he was telling the truth that it was adequately cooked after 4 magazines of maybe 80 rounds.

    cruz’ crude ad was hardly original, coming in a long line of 2014 election ads by tea party candidates, one recollected to be a cracker from the south east shooting up thousands of pages of the tax code. I hope Daniel will respond if tea party or cracker was derogatory, cutting off debate. I can’t remember if that candidate used a sexy assault rifle or a traditional deer rifle. Oswald used a military rifle as a sniper rifle to assassinate a much loved president.

    I am going to keep saying assault rifle. when sexualized by the carrier, I will use the term “ammosexual” until a better term or better argument surfaces. is it o.k. to use the term “sniper rifle” for a sniper rifle?

    suffice it to say, cruz has cooked his own bacon with the litany of election stunts and legislative tricks he has pulled. if Daniel wants to cook his own bacon open-carrying in starbux or the gas station for convenience or to demonstrate 2nd amendment rights, then I will think he has small hands (to put it diplomatically like trump introduced to campaign lexicography) and thus qualifies as an ammosexual. leave the weapon on the counter and such negligence qualifies for a report to law enforcement, endangering the public.

    the ammosexual woman leaving her birthday .45 handgun out for her apparently unrestrained four year old child to “play with my new toy” (her words) and shoot her in the back thru the driver’s seat, will likely be charged with neglect, until NRA lobbyists plug that loophole contrary to its mantra of “enforcing existing laws on the books”. we’ll see.

  142. mike from iowa 2016-03-21 12:50

    Oswald killed a Roman Catholic Potus with an Italian made military weapon. Keeping it all in the general family,I guess.

  143. leslie 2016-03-22 07:29

    a final thot since Daniel and barry are hopefully on to bigger things:

    I wonder if anyone who has lost a life or a limb to a gun, in their family, would support any of the constitutionally “weighty” arguments here from NRA supporters? I kinda doubt it yet the gal’s mom says she still luvs guns, but after her wounded daughter is potentially convicted of neglect, and the 4 year old shooter hopefully is therapized for years to cope w/PTSD of playing with her toy and shooting his mom, prolly not. of course there are vets with gun experience that do things like join Idaho III%ers and take over game refuges and cattle herds with deadly force.

    working out unresolved violence issues, or protecting our freedoms?

  144. leslie 2016-03-22 08:12

    hey darin, i’m sure u r busy but consider running for PUC by june. it pays $100k.

  145. CJ Marine 2016-03-22 18:48

    barry freed,
    You hit the nail on the head. Mike from Iowa thinks that Navy seals can not get firearms because they are being sold to the general public (of course not true, but he brings up the point that you can buy a fully auto weapon to support his claim. I have told him this is true but it will cost you in the 10 grand plus mark. And yes gun shops do own fully auto guns…but they do have to do a shit ton of paperwork and pay in the excess of $10 grand to own.) Also if you buy a fully auto weapon from the military or a bigger gun, you will get it in pieces. You will pay to have it welded together (again around 10 grand even after paying 10 grand for the weapon). Roger Cornelius wants everyone to put their full name on line. Within 20 min of him saying that, I have his name, his wife’s name and their address in Rapid City. He is one that does not understand that we may speak our mind but do we want our family to pay for this. I would never give up my address over some stupid debate for some psycho to show up when I am not at home. Apparently Roger Cornelius does not care about his families safety. I am sure I will hear from him sometime again when Kelo does a scam on internet safety. I do feel pity for him as he is the “old dude” that needs to feel relevant and put his name and address online to prove how tough he is. (I DO NEED TO SAY THAT THE AUTHOR OF THIS ARTICLE SHOULD TRY TO PROTECT THE PEOPLE THAT READ THIS BY NOT PUBLISHING THE FULL NAMES OF PEOPLE. SHE NEEDS TO SHARE THE BURDEN OF GUILT IF ANYONE GETS HURT). Yep, I am finding most on this site will spew out garbage with very little facts to back them up. I have asked for proof and have received no proof, maybe they all need to ask mom for more internet time by taking out the garbage.
    In closing, the author of this article should bare full responsibility of any harm that comes to those that are willing to print their full name. After all it is responsible news reporting.

  146. CJ Marine 2016-03-22 19:18

    Got to say, caheidelberger is NOT a responsible journalist. Most journalist would want to keep their readers safe. I know that many sites will not put allow people to comment with their full names (yet she does). I have been stalked by Roger Cornelius since I commented on a post about guns in school. I have received phone calls from Rapid City and have recieved taunts to give more information about myself. I am not going to give this psycho any more information. I can tell that caheidelberger is not interested in the facts but only interested in starting disruption and violence to feel like she matters in the world of journalism.
    In the future I would suggest that no one gives their full names as a measure of safety. I can for sure say caheidelberger does not care about the safety of her readers. I will say that debate is always a good thing. Let’s keep with respectable journalist that are not looking to start one sided issues. Hopefully this will make the debate currently online. I know I will send it on to Dakota free press. Let’s keep us all safe while we debate. And as for Roger Cornelious…I feel sorry for you. I am sure you had high aspirations once in life but fell short. I forgive you.

  147. Roger Cornelius 2016-03-22 19:20

    When someone invites me to travel clear across the state to discuss gun issues, isn’t logical that I should know whom I’m meeting. You know, for my own security.

  148. Roger Cornelius 2016-03-22 19:29

    Cory is a he not a she.

    How can anyone stalk you when nobody knows who you are? If someone from Rapid City is stalking you and calling you I don’t know who they are, it sure is hell isn’t me.

    Like anyone else, I’ve had great successes and some failures in my life, nothing to be ashamed of. Anybody saying they’ve all successes in their lives is a liar.

    Incidentally, I forgot all about this discussion until the email hit my inbox.
    That’s how relative you are.

  149. mike from iowa 2016-03-22 19:53

    CJ-before you a make a bigger,damn fool of yourself,learn to read and comprehend. I never said Seals can’t get guns. What I said was- Wingnut congressweasel Duncan Hunter(W-Ca) says Navy Seals returning from duty overseas have to hand off their M-4s to the next bunch of Seals because there are not enough in service. There is apparently a backlog because civilians have been buying them all.

    See it says Duncan Hunter says Seals can’t get the guns. Duncan Hunter, not mike from iowa!!!

    You can buy full auto on the black market. They are sold everyday,all over the world. Get your facts straight and leave the bullshit at home.

    ps if you believe Roger C is any kind of an unprovoked threat, you must be totally on drugs.

  150. CJ Marine 2016-03-22 20:00

    Leslie stated….
    “repeating, NOBODY I know here sheits on vets. you could watch the running your mouth vid. as a parent of an 18 year old marine new recruit suicide, having worked daily w/police forces for years (people know me here); repeating, “the real, critical “22 project” (just like 20 kids injured daily by guns)” has all my respect. as does the 20 kids a day stat”
    OKAY take a breath and re-write. It looks like you are calming that you have a child of a 21 year old vet that committed suicide. (I ASK FOR PROOF). If in fact you can prove this I do say I am sorry. Also you claim to work with police…PROVE IT. People may know you here but PROVE IT….I CAN. And 20 kids injured daily by guns (do you mean killed or they dropped them on their toes or what????) Show me stats and define if killed or injured. You are just throwing out random nonsense. Prove your credentials!!!! Or STFU.

  151. mike from iowa 2016-03-22 20:05

    Ask for proof of a suicide? You certainly are one sorry…. CJMarine.

  152. CJ Marine 2016-03-22 20:08

    What ever psycho roger. You just said stated that you were checking up on me you perv. “isn’t logical that I should know whom I’m meeting.” It wasn’t a date you perv…adult friend finder is gross also…..PERV.

  153. Roger Cornelius 2016-03-22 20:16

    cjmarine is really losing it.

    He demands proof of leslie’s claims while at the same time not being able to prove he is even a marine

    He invited me to Sioux Falls for a drink and to discuss issues at ABATE, does that even sound like a date? I think we are finding out who the pervert really is.
    You are giving yourself way too much credit for whatever reason, why would I check up on you, sounds a little paranoid to me.
    I have also detected several lies cj has told I’ll watch his total meltdown before revealing them.
    This boy thinks way to highly of himself.

  154. grudznick 2016-03-22 20:16

    Mr. Marine, I’m pretty sure it’s not Mr. C calling you from Rapid City. I vouch for his character as a fellow who would not do such things and while not that old of a fellow he is not the sort to swagger around like a tough guy. I’m not saying he’s not a tough guy, I think he’s tougher than most, I’m just saying he’s not a swaggard from what I can tell.

  155. Roger Cornelius 2016-03-22 20:21

    Thanks grudz, you much said it all, while I can take care of myself for the most part I do have some physical challenges.
    As you noted, I’m not into harassing anyone, debate them yes, but not harass. It has been my experience that those needing to be harassed usually do it to themselves.

  156. CJ Marine 2016-03-22 20:22

    MIKE FROM IOWA SAID THE FOLLOWING. “Wingnut congressweasel Duncan Hunter(W-Ca) says Navy Seals returning from duty overseas have to hand off their M-4s to the next bunch of Seals because there are not enough in service. There is apparently a backlog because civilians have been buying them all.” There is apparently a backlog because civilians have been buying them all.” There is apparently a backlog because civilians have been buying them all.” DUDE…I read the article just now….show me were it says this…..You are truly off the charts. There is apparently a backlog because civilians have been buying them all.” There is apparently a backlog because civilians have been buying them all.” There is apparently a backlog because civilians have been buying them all.” SHOW ME WERE THIS IT SAYS THIS AND I WILL CONSIDER YOU, LESLIE, THIS UN-JOURNALISTIC WRITER AND THE PERVERT ROGER AS FACT…..YOU MADE THIS SH*T UP….SHOW ME…..

  157. caheidelberger Post author | 2016-03-22 20:25

    What the heck just happened here? CJ calls Roger a psycho and a pervert? Stand down, CJ, and get real.

  158. caheidelberger Post author | 2016-03-22 20:29

    Do we need a comment section sentinel to keep things cool? Of course not. Guns would solve nothing in this situation; they would only make things worse, just as guns will make things worse at Tri-Valley and any other school foolish enough to adopt this policy.

  159. CJ Marine 2016-03-22 20:36

    So Mike from Iowa has stated that “There is apparently a backlog because civilians have been buying them all.” He then offered this website as proof….but it talked about a helmet over guns. You can read this if you want to and PLEASE POST ME PROOF OF WHAT HE CLAIMS, THAT CIVILIANS HAVE BEEN BUYING THE M-4S SO NAVY SEALS DON’T HAVE THEM. (there is apparently a backlog because civilians have been buying them all.” There is apparently a backlog because civilians have been buying them all…I can go all night….SHOW ME AND PROVE IT. Here is the web site he showed….quote were it says this…..or tell me Mike from Iowa is out of the conversation due to being and idiot and making up shit…SHOW ME!!!! And were is the AUTHOR OF THIS TRAIN WRECK…DID SHE BAIL? I CHALLENGE HER OR HIM TO SHOW ME……

  160. Roger Cornelius 2016-03-22 20:37

    Thank goodness Cory.

    I’ve been trying to think of a school in our state or the entire country where staff packing heat prevented a school shooting.
    Maybe there has been one or two, but I can’t think of one.

  161. CJ Marine 2016-03-22 20:38

    HEY MIKE FROM IOWA…..there is apparently a backlog because civilians have been buying them all……there is apparently a backlog because civilians have been buying them all……there is apparently a backlog because civilians have been buying them all……there is apparently a backlog because civilians have been buying them all……PROVE IT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  162. Roger Cornelius 2016-03-22 20:39

    Breitbart as a reference, now that’s amusing.

  163. CJ Marine 2016-03-22 20:48

    Breaking news…Mike from Iowa states, “there is apparently a backlog because civilians have been buying them all……” What will we do? We can manufacture thousands of legal AR 15 rifles (some with an M4 stock) but civilians are buying used Navy weapons and spending $10,000 plus instead of $1500.00 quality build semi auto rifles instead. Backing up his point is Leslie, Roger (the perv), grudznick (supporter of the perv), Darin and of course the author that allows stalking on her site…..caheidelberger. We will refer to them as the “Brain Trust”. They all support the false ideas even when I send back the website that Mike from Iowa sent to support his information. They are simply incapable of reading a real news story. AGAIN WILL SHARE THE LINK MIKE PROVIDED AS PROOF THAT YOU ARE ALL OFF THE CHARTS. SHOW ME WERE IT SAYS THIS PHRASE…….there is apparently a backlog because civilians have been buying them all

  164. CJ Marine 2016-03-22 20:58

    Roger stated a phrase that shows he has checked up on me. “isn’t logical that I should know whom I’m meeting. You know, for my own security.” A phrase that added to the pervs advances shows I should be on the alert. You however, SIR, have a duty to make sure you are not inciting violence or adding to stalking. YOU HAVE FAILED TO DO THIS. You could site that you should keep everyone safe but you seem not to care about that. As a Registered Nurse, I must be an advocate to the people on this site whether pro or against me. YOU should do the same as a responsible journalist (WOULDN’T YOU AGREE???) I ask of you, shouldn’t your readers be as safe as they can be by not giving too much information online????? We all have our opinions but as a member of the press you should/ must keep your readers safe as well as your sources. Do you not agree that we as responders should not post too much information on the internet????

  165. caheidelberger Post author | 2016-03-22 21:10

    So CJ, if I ask for your real name, so we know exactly who is lodging these wild accusations against those of us who speak here with our real names, am I guilty of perversion and stalking and violence?

    You’ve knocked this conversation so far off course, making it all about you, that we need to pause. Put your real name to your wild accusations, “CJ”. You are trying to ascribe more authority to your statements by claiming to be a Marine and a nurse, but we have no way of verifying that. Share your name as we share ours, and we can move to the next step of the conversation.

    And if you knew Roger, you’d know better than to accuse him of things that are far, far, far from his character. Roger shared his name online. We met. No stalking, no perversion, just honest respect and friendship. Funny how those things happen.

  166. caheidelberger Post author | 2016-03-22 21:14

    “CJ”, review my thoughts on comment nymity here:

    Then, very simply, if you don’t like people asking your name, ignore them. If you don’t like people looking you up online, don’t say anything online.

    But if you want to contribute to positive civil discourse, use your real name.

  167. Darin Larson 2016-03-22 21:16

    CJ Marine- I don’t think I have commented on this thread in four days and I don’t think that I have endorsed anyone else’s thoughts in particular so I’m not sure why you lumped me in here in your latest rant.

    Last I knew, four days ago, I was trying to have a rational discussion with you on why the US has the most guns per capita of any first world country and the most gun violence and deaths of any first world country. Your answer is more people trained to use guns. I don’t agree.

    We used to have everyone walk around armed in this country. It was called the wild west.

    By the way, I use my real name because I don’t think I should say anything on here that I wouldn’t say if I was face to face with someone. When it comes down to it, we are all Americans and we should remember that and keep it reasonably civil even if we strongly disagree.

  168. caheidelberger Post author | 2016-03-22 21:17

    And CJ, didn’t you invite commenters to come meet you in person?

  169. mike from iowa 2016-03-22 21:20

    CJMarine-there is a backlog because civilians have been buying them all. Repeat. Repeat. Do you believe it yet? Civilians are buying argle bargle. Prove it. Let’s see some actual cash receipts with actual, verifiable signatures from actual humans who are willing to verify their purchases. Oh,heck-I should have had my caps lock on to make it look like I mean business. Wah,wah,wah!

  170. mike from iowa 2016-03-22 21:31

    and since you can’t figure stuff out for yourself, the apparently there is a backlog was not part of what Duncan Hunter said or you would have found it in the Breitbart article as well as every other article written on this subject. I put it in there to save you wingnuts the effort of accusing our Potus of taking guns. The Navy has saidmand the border patrol agents have said,there is a problem with those weapons and they need maintenance which takes them out of service.

    Breitbart, btw, is himself dead, No,Obama had nothing to do with it. He didn’t commit suicide but feel free to demand proof.

  171. CJ Marine 2016-03-22 22:36

    Wow, I feel like an idiot. I just looked at how many people were commenting. We have a VERY small sampling of those that follow the news. I mean we can count what we have in this debate with our hands. We have mike that spouts off about Navy seals not having enough weapons and showing a article that he “thinks” backs him up, sadly it does not. We gave Roger (the adult friend finder guy) that lives a life thinking he is tough by putting his real name (and sadly probably someday putting his family at risk). He lives in the old world were putting information on the web is safe (same kinda guy that would give information over the phone during a phone scam). We have Leslie that got so worked up I couldn’t even read her post.
    What do we have??? We have a guy named Cory (the author caheidelberger). It has been proven that he does NOT care about safety of his readers, which is really sad in today’s journalism. Think about it, this guy is nothing but a shock jock spouting off to cause turmoil in the lives of others. He is all that is bad about journalism, starting sh*t, throwing fuel on the fire and then watching the two sides go at it. This web site does not cite CBS, NBC or even CNN as a reputable news site, instead they site the Huntington post…LOL…REALLY.
    You few can continue with this site and buy into this so called journalist that makes you feel smart, or you can wake up and think for yourself. I will be back if this “joker” of a journalist ever gets past 50 different people responding to his articles. Until then, SMOKE THIS JOKER JOURNALIST. He is one lame story from working at Walmart.
    Good Bye caheidelberger…you are truly king of your tiny court. I am going back to watching and reading the real news. One word of advice…..Protect your readers as you would protect your sources. (NEWS REPORTING 101).

  172. CJ Marine 2016-03-22 22:43

    Read your comment mike and cory…it is okay…you can be big men in this tiny following….just keep believing so. It is safe in this small world for you. It’s ok….it is better for you to be a big fish in a small pound than a small fish in a big pond. We all think you are men so feel big…LOL. Hey cory…maybe if you wish really hard you will have more than a handful of readers. We all have a dream. I am a cardiac nurse, I save lives. You are a bottom feeder journalist, you write shocking articles made to incite the very few readers you have (we all have our goals). Write on little man….write on.

  173. Roger Cornelius 2016-03-22 22:55

    To quote CJMarine, ” Wow, I feel like an idiot”, go with the feeling CJ.

    Your repeating the same comments over and over doesn’t make you right, just boring.

  174. leslie 2016-03-23 01:08

    yeah, i’m kind of a lazy typist. i’ll space it out so you can understand:

    “repeating, NOBODY I know here sheits on vets.

    you could watch the running your mouth vid.

    as a parent of an 18 year old marine new recruit suicide, having worked daily w/police forces for years (people know me here);

    repeating, the real, critical “22 project” (just like 20 kids injured daily by guns)” has all my respect.

    as does the 20 kids a day stat”

    1. “repeating” means I already told u this once and am too lazy to tell u twice.

    2. “running your mouth vid.”

    3. my oldest son killed himself with a military weapon 15 years or so ago the day before his marine physical. he feared he had THC in his blood and wouldn’t be accepted, we think. police reports exist. the same police force I advised and worked with for years. you don’t deserve this kind of personal detail but you seem threatening and I hope you have a doctor to show this thread. please take care of yourself and all those you interact with.


    a. again, not wanting to repeat myself to you, I screwed up by calling your worthy project “22 project” rather than Project 22″. I never doubted its legitimacy nor made fun of it. you are waaaaay too sensitive, dude. I said it was a “real, critical” project meaning vet suicides are supremely important and deserving of the highest care and concern. repeating, no body here sheits on vets, as you try to portray. get a grip.

    b. “(as does the 20 kids a day stat.)”

    statistics were cited above, and plainly, and you can click on the link or google it yourself if you don’t understand the clearly documented numbers. I am too lazy to go back up and find it for you. that’s your job, dude.

    5. FINALLY, I said and meant both Project 22 and the “20 kids a day” statistics “have all my respect”. as does your service in the military and your medical career. NRA does not has my respect because they try to bury such statistics.

    I am not usually willing to spell something out for someone that comes on so strong and wrong, here.

  175. caheidelberger Post author | 2016-03-23 06:30

    So gun nuttery morphs into self-centered trumpeting, which morphs into accusations of perversion and stalking and violence, which then turns to distractions about how many people are actively participating in the comment section to a general indictment of the quality of the blog and obligatory insults to manhood… all regularly sprinkled with screaming all-capital letters.

    “CJ” exemplifies the online brawler, coming not so much for information as a desire to throw punches. He throws punches without regard to the topic, at whatever target seems convenient and allow him to avoid the assault of reason on his own original position.

    And if anyone should feel threatened, I think it’s me. After all, didn’t “CJ” just call on everyone to “smoke” me?

  176. leslie 2016-03-23 07:07

    well cory, ifn u hadn’t banned kurz to obscurity, we might make 200 posts on this thread. yeehaw

    I apologize for my own aggressiveness here. adrenalin is a dangerous drug

  177. mike from iowa 2016-03-23 07:10

    I wonder….. if a person does not win the “Florence Nightingale” award,does that make them a lousy nurse that doesn’t protect their patients? Prolly not.

    Anyway,Roger and Cory, imagine haw formidable the two of you could be armed to the teeth with a chip on your shoulder?

  178. caheidelberger Post author | 2016-03-23 07:41

    Mike, Roger and I need no weapons other than our wits.

  179. mike from iowa 2016-03-23 07:57

    leslie, I admire your restraint under the circumstances, I might have challenged a person to a point blank duel with scatterguns had they got that personal and nasty.

    I’m gonna spend the rest of my life wondering if he meant to smoke Cory to get high,smoke him to eat later, smoke him as in beat him soundly in a race or blast him with a smoke pole.

  180. leslie 2016-03-23 08:21

    well, I figure i’m next after grudz for bannery. plz plz plz cory, ban grudz

    drugs, alcohol, rage, depression are a nasty cocktail, very prevalent in this country, as many know. often times a loved one of a user/abuser acts crazier than the user/abuser, who self-medicates what has generally progressed to a real, subtle, fatal illness. since we love to drink and use substances to blow off steam, most are in denial as to the deleterious effects.

    this is addiction 101. like NRA, the liquor lobby distorts reality so the public (including judges) is confused and thinks responsible drinking/drugging is possible for alcoholics/addicts. NOBODY in pierre wants to be labled an alcoholic. yet it lubricates the law making machine every day.

    am guessing that’s where lynn fits in. a loved one of an abuser who somehow got burned and blames SDDP. I could be totally wrong but there is something not right about her obsessiveness. and I know obsessiveness.

  181. leslie 2016-03-23 10:31

    wow-a wapo video at the end of the above link summarizes a half dozen recent child shootings when armed adults leave loaded weapons out. how does a 2 year old get the gun off “safe”?

    the sheriff said the mother’s child was crying uncontrollably and not belted in. my 4 year old grandchild can’t yet remove the belt.

    Daniel, these are about as “stupid” (your word) as accidental shootings could get. not really defensible by you or NRA. Time lays out the argument in 2012. i’m sure it could be updated to today.,9171,2120498,00.html?pcd=pw-hp

  182. Craig 2016-03-23 11:01

    I must say it is one thing to disagree with someone’s views, but when someone finds the need to belittle and insult as if that strengthens their argument I have to doubt how secure they are in their original position.

    Some of CJ’s antics are simply embarrassing and cringeworthy. I personally don’t feel someone with that temperament has a place in our military or in our hospitals, but that’s a personal viewpoint. When I see someone go off in such a fit of rage and someone who finds the need to repeat themselves over and over and over again before e-yelling at people, trying to incite arguments by insulting them, and then blatantly threatening someone it reeks of insecurity and perhaps even mental illness.

    To think this is the type of person who is pushing for MORE guns in schools? Scary thought.

  183. Roger Cornelius 2016-03-23 11:42

    please allow me to go all e.e. cummings or lesllie for a moment, I promise not e-yell, as craig calls it.

    cj was highly critical of the number of people that read and comment on Dakota free press and on appearance he is partially correct. however, what he doesn’t consider is the huge volume of people that read dfp and do not comment.

    on a pretty regular basis I encounter people that recognize my name from dfp.
    my banker, a social security employee to a cashier at safeway. even the governor’s chief of staff and various legislator have come to dfp to comment. when I met paula hawks she knew immediately who I was. I need not go on, hopefully cj will get the point.
    in the years that I have been reading and commenting on madville times and dakota free press I have made some long lasting friendships.
    cory has not breached anyone’s security to reveal someone’s true identity to my knowledge.
    the people I know and have become friends with contacted cory for permission to get my email address and cory has contacted me for my consent to which I agreed.

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