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HB 1012: Add Tribal Economic Development Post to GOED… and Keep It Cheap!

Thirty more bills dropped into the Legislative hopper today (House leads Senate on prefiled bills, 24 to 23).

Brought by Rep. Don Haggar (R-10/Sioux Falls) on behalf of the Tribal Economic Development Task Force,  House Bill 1012 appears to be the only concrete legislation to emerge from the task force’s two years of talk. HB 1012 would create a new full-time position in the Governor’s Office of Economic Development to tell tribes about economic development programs available through the state and federal governments, help tribes create their own economic development offices, and seek economic opportunities on behalf of the tribes. HB 1012 authorizes up to $50,000 for this job.

The tribal economic development coordinator’s job would appear to align with GOED’s current community and business development representatives. GOED’s 2014 annual report (p. 45) lists six business development reps and one community development rep. According to the state’s payroll database, their salaries range from $53,550 to $66,585.

I hope my Indian neighbors won’t perceive disrespect, but given high unemployment, social problems, volatile tribal governments, and geographic and economic isolation, it seems fair to say that South Dakota’s tribal communities are the hardest places in the state to do economic development.

Even if the person GOED hires for the HB 1012 tribal economic development position is a total newbie (and  no, that person shouldn’t be!), doesn’t the difficulty of that person’s job (to be optimally effective, the tribal development rep should be bilingual, right?) warrant pay at least equal to what the rep who gets to stay at the Sioux Falls Downtown Holiday Inn and cheer on economic development that happens like rain in April?

Rep. Haggar, show us you’re serious about tribal economic development. Amend HB 1012—triple the funding, and hire two people to work with the tribes. Or better yet, get back to being a conservative Republican: spend no new money, and simply mandate that the Governor reassign two of those seven (?!?) community and business reps to work solely on tribal economic development.

81 Comments

  1. larry kurtz 2016-01-06 18:56

    Tribes don’t want help from the state but some do want cooperation like a compact with the state for economic development where revenue would go to tribal nations.

  2. larry kurtz 2016-01-06 19:01

    The session will be rife with struggles within the two factions of SDGOP between the nut wing and the corrupt wing.

  3. John 2016-01-06 21:23

    Why set the salary in statute? A pay raise would require a new law to be passed. Also with funds attached the Bill will require a 2/3 majority to pass.

  4. Roger Cornelius 2016-01-06 21:28

    Larry,
    I wouldn’t go so far as saying tribes don’t want help from the state, I’d suggest that tribes want equal access to state and federal programs for economic development.
    Why the state would provide funding for just one position at a lower pay scale is frustrating and is built for failure.
    Cory is right, economic development on reservations is a daunting task that requires more than $50,000 per year. I could be cynical here and say why bother.
    Years ago Bill Janklow had several Indians working in the economic development office and as I recall were not designated to work just with tribes.
    The biggest failure of all is that tribes and the state do not fully recognize the opportunities that exist on the reservations,

  5. grudznick 2016-01-06 22:18

    Mr. C, it might be important to remember that it is not The State Economic Office suggesting this one position at whatever a lower pay scale is. It’s one of the legislatures. And maybe Mr. Solano just doesn’t know what the going rate is or what really needs to be done. But he wants to do something and we should encourage that, right?

  6. caheidelberger Post author | 2016-01-07 05:59

    John, I agree that setting the specific salary in statute seems micromanageful, but if this appropriation sets the ceiling for that salary, $50K is too low.

    Roger, how about this plan: the next Governor should dedicate every staffer in GOED to working on tribal economic development for the next four years, except for one specialist who will handle economic development in the rest of the state.

    Grudz, we’ll see what J. Pat Costello says about HB 1012 when he testifies on it in committee.

  7. Troy 2016-01-07 08:46

    CH,

    It would be my guess the proposal is to increase the GOED’s FTE’s by one and budget by $50K. To the extent the employee makes more or less would come from within the budget. When I was in GOED and my division grew with the start-up of the REDI Fund, I was often challenged to supplement salaries/expenses both inside my particular budget and/or prevail on my boss to get it from other divisions. Also, while not knowing the status of the incumbents who might have been there a long time, this might be even above the salary at the lower end of the pay range.

    With regard to your other comment, the entire department is likely providing services to the reservation. While we had an Indian Rep when I was there, every division worked with that person on reservation matters as needed. As much as the reservations will directly benefit, I think the indirect benefit will be bigger because in my experience, Steve Withorne helped us navigate/understand the unique issues and culture regarding the reservations. I know it isn’t a perfect analogy but medical care can improve when a doctor has a patient who doesn’t speak English, having Steve in our office allowed all 30 people in the department do their specialized work on the reservations.

  8. Troy 2016-01-07 08:58

    LOL. Somehow I neglected to get in the part of a translator to help the doctor wth the patient who doesn’t speak english. Hope you get the drift.

  9. Jack Shaftoe 2016-01-07 09:02

    I wonder about this, as there have been efforts I am aware of that failed miserably. Isolation is a daunting challenge as are a variety of cultural attitudes and heritage that starts at reluctance to participate in the next big thing brought to the reservations from administration to administration. I heard a lecture by Ben Reifel once about the differences in culture, outlook and values. Corruption occurs like clockwork and Ben said Native Americans have completely different ideas about time, ownership and saving for the future. I was born in the Eastern US and don’t have a feel for this issue like life long residents. It is difficult to formulate an idea about the best policies and I have known mixed blood people as well as tribal members who have been kind enough to explain some of the aspects of this. Some of them expressed doubt about the sincerity of the state officials, but also had no confidence in their own reservation to take advantage of opportunities. I don’t know what to make of it.

  10. larry kurtz 2016-01-07 09:03

    Roger, the state competes directly with tribes and has zero motivation to reverse that which SDGOP dictates. Anyone who believes the legislature wants to treat tribal nations as equals is delusional.

  11. larry kurtz 2016-01-07 09:06

    Republicans’ only motivation to aid anyone in Indian Country is that tribal members might spend more to generate revenue within a regressive tax structure.

  12. larry kurtz 2016-01-07 09:09

    The feds are wise to create enterprise zones on the rez so the revenue stays there rather than being diverted to the culture of corruption in Pierre.

  13. larry kurtz 2016-01-07 09:17

    Screw Pierre. Pay the tribes for the Black Hills, move the BHNF into Interior and turn it into a national monument then give tribal nations governance over the lands.

  14. Porter Lansing 2016-01-07 10:00

    Liberals … you don’t have to understand what Troy Jones is blathering on about, almost daily. Just know he’s not on your side. His goal is to make loads of money for his clients who already have loads of money and his plan is to make it by keeping what is lawfully yours from you … paid for by your taxes and my taxes and voters taxes nationwide. In short: Deny the poor the aid and services they are due and present it to the rich (minus his percentage).

  15. caheidelberger Post author | 2016-01-07 10:03

    Troy, GOED had an Indian Rep when you were there? Do you mind telling us what year(s) that was, and who that rep was, if you remember? Do you know when that position was discontinued and why?

    I understand the reservations may be included on everyone’s work agenda in GOED right now. What would you think of having GOED do nothing but tribal economic development for a term or two?

  16. larry kurtz 2016-01-07 10:07

    Exactly, Porter. GOED should be renamed Governor’s Office of Republican Economic Development.

  17. caheidelberger Post author | 2016-01-07 10:08

    Jack, the tribal corruption issue reminds me of my youthful enthusiasm for economic partnerships with Russia back in the 1990s. The Iron Curtain was down, the Soviet Union was vanquished, and an entire nation was surely ripe for friendly capitalist assistance from America. But Americans seeking business partnerships in Moscow and Vladivostok found corruption, crime, and regulatory chaos throwing their aspirations awry. I don’t know how to overcome that—GOED isn’t well-equipped to help others tamp down corruption.

    Dealing with cultural differences could be easier, for the right person. Maybe the tribal economic development coordinator needs to be a Lakota who has lived those different ideas of time, ownership, and savings and can bridge the gaps between Anglo investors and tribal entrepreneurs, workers, and councils.

  18. Jack Shaftoe 2016-01-07 10:13

    I have a relative who spent some years in Russia getting a well known, green tractor manufacturing plant established. It failed rather quickly because of a number factors naïve Americans didn’t understand about corruption, payoffs and the impossibility of getting anywhere or getting supplies and raw materials. Roads and infrastructure was really terrible. It was a real eye opener about how far behind they were.

  19. Troy 2016-01-07 10:26

    CH,

    Steve Withorne and Pat ______ (I can’t believe I forgot Pat’s last name). Not to diminish Pat but Steve was truly a superstar on every level. One of the most talented persons I worked with at GOED. Unfortunately, as a young man and in good health by looking at him, Steve had a massive heart attack at half time of a high school basketball game he was refereeing. I don’t remember if he was still at GOED or had moved on when he died as it was several years after I had left. 1987-1993.

    I could be wrong but I seem to recall the position was moved directly in the Office of Indian Affairs (from whence Mickelson moved the position when he formed GOED) when GOED was merged with Tourism to be Dept. of State Development and Tourism. The only reason I seem to remember that is I faintly recall talking to a former colleague at GOED I thought that wasn’t a good decision because proximity and reporting to the head of Economic Development vs. head of Indian Affairs fed “both/and” and moving the position to Indian Affairs fed “either/or.”

    I think concentrating the department on one mission will be inefficient and counter-productive.

    1) Meaningful development comes in small chunks over a long time. Quick fixes turn into quick fails.

    2) I think a big part of why we have collectively been less successful with regard to development on the reservation is it is too often looked at as “either/or” as the reservations are too often considered a separate ecosystem. We are one state and what is good for one is good for the other.

    3) Whether people want to admit it or not, differences in law and treatment of business on the reservation is an impediment to development. If for not other reason, it is natural business owners gravitate to the devil they know and understand vs. the one they don’t. Having the tribes fully adopt national UCC law for instance is no more a threat to sovereignty than when the State of SD accedes to the Universal Commercial Code. Tribal UCC conformance will/should come from persuasion of its merits over time. Until this is more aligned to the normal and customary, a concentrated development effort will not produce significant impact and to large degree will be wasted.

  20. larry kurtz 2016-01-07 10:30

    GORED: it does have a nice ring to it.

  21. larry kurtz 2016-01-07 10:32

    It’s important to remember that if Gov. Daugaard really embraces Medicaid expansion it’s because he needs a smoke screen to hide his lack of leadership on GEAR UP and EB-5. If he was serious Melody Schopp would be gone.

  22. larry kurtz 2016-01-07 10:37

    If Gov. Daugaard really hated dependency he’d embrace revenue sources that support tribal economic development instead of driving Indian County into the dirt.

  23. caheidelberger Post author | 2016-01-07 12:32

    Thanks for the historical perspective, Troy.

    Troy said “ecosystem” in his second point—that’s important! Viewing every community in its fullest context gives us the best chance of identifying every resource that community can offer for economic development.

    But to his third point: to what extent do the tribes want to integrate their economies (which means integrating their communities) with the rest of the state? To what extent (a) do they want and (b) are they able (see Jack’s comment about cultural differences) to play by the rules of Western capitalism seasoned with Chamber of Commerce socialism as practiced by South Dakota state government?

  24. Porter Lansing 2016-01-07 13:25

    I would hope, not much. What cultural pride would come from having any association with an untrustworthy group of selfish Republicans? Now, when the liberals come to power that will be the window for integration and benefit for the tribes.

  25. BIll DIthmer 2016-01-07 13:53

    Great post Troy!

    The Blindman

  26. Troy 2016-01-07 21:47

    Thanks Bill. Its just history as I remember it. And, it did me good to think of Steve who I haven’t thought about for too long.

    CH, if the reservations don’t want to play by the rules employers are used to playing, they won’t have many employers. Liking it or not. Wanting it not to be so. Doesn’t matter. It is reality. BTW, this isn’t a statement the rules have to be one-sided or unfair. Its just the rules have to be familiar and consistent. Otherwise, its just too easy to decide not to learn the new rules.

  27. leslie 2016-01-08 00:25

    Troy assuming ucc is Not on rez may be innaccurate as are other assumptions jack assumes Life Long residents know. Many If Not Most Know Nothing Of The Sort. Ethnocentrism Abides. I Will Check On Tribal UCC

  28. Troy 2016-01-08 08:51

    Leslie, I look forward to your confirmation the UCC is not adopted by the reservations in SD. Further, while MTSTA (tribal version of the UCC) is a good first step (which our reservations have not adopted or hadn’t as of a few years ago), it still isn’t the Universal Commercial Code meaning the reservations are telling employers the rules are different here which in and of itself remains an impediment to job creation.

  29. larry kurtz 2016-01-08 09:00

    Consumerism is colonialism.

  30. larry kurtz 2016-01-08 09:03

    Working for the man is not the answer on the rez.

  31. larry kurtz 2016-01-08 09:04

    Employment is slavery.

  32. Troy 2016-01-08 10:13

    Larry,

    Then I guess the reservations are have the highest per capita of free persons in the US and only the homeless have it better than Indians. I’ve obviously been mistaken all these years I thought opportunity to earn an income and control your destiny was the fruit of freedom. I guess it is despair and poverty.

  33. Porter Lansing 2016-01-08 10:33

    Is it a valid opportunity for Republicans in Pierre to earn money by exploitation of Native Americans? Because that’s your track record for the last 40 years or more. We’d call the UCC the Universal Exploitation Code, then. When your political party sees funding (to help a group) their eyes light up with ways to complicate the process and extricate big fees off the top for very little benefit to anyone but the wasi’chu .

  34. Troy 2016-01-08 10:37

    How is the UCC exploitive?

  35. Rorschach 2016-01-08 10:49

    I’m with Troy on this one. I agree with the Blindman on the quality of his earlier post.

  36. Porter Lansing 2016-01-08 11:00

    That’s an attempt to change the direction of the message. It’s your Republican party that’s been exploitive. The code is your key to the treasure. Defend what been done.

  37. Porter Lansing 2016-01-08 11:01

    excuse me (wish there was an edit key). defend what’s been done.

  38. Porter Lansing 2016-01-08 11:42

    Need some help Troy? Just follow your normal pattern, when overwhelmed. Pen some verbose paragraph improperly using “ad hominem”, try to backstroke into neutral ground and retreat. See ‘ya.

  39. larry kurtz 2016-01-08 11:55

    Exploitative is when capitalism looks like an answer to despair and poverty. If the rez wanted that it would have adopted greed as a template long ago.

  40. larry kurtz 2016-01-08 12:13

    If South Dakota really want to help tribes be self-sufficient Pierre would buy the 900 bison Yellowstone wants to cull then release them into corridors on public and leased private ground. But Republicans don’t care about the success of the Lakota or Flandreau Santee Sioux or the bison. SDGOP wants it all for themselves and their stinking cattle.

    South Dakota: Land of Infinite Voracity.

  41. larry kurtz 2016-01-08 12:24

    South Dakota is the 4th most dependent state. Tell us again how capitalism works, Troy.

  42. BIll DIthmer 2016-01-08 12:34

    Larry, why would the state buy animalsfor foreign country? And how would that leadto tribal prosperity?

    Twenty some years ago the tribe put buffs in the Buffalo Pasture eastof Kylie. The pasture was right next to the Vaughn unit where I hunted about once a month either coon hunting or cat hunting. They let those animals starve to death.

    There have always been a few tribal members that have tried tobring jobsto the res. Unfortunately there are way more that want to live they way they have become used to.

    The Blindman

  43. larry kurtz 2016-01-08 12:41

    Bill, you know tribes don’t want help from the State of South Dakota or any other western state unless it’s government to government cooperation.

    Pay the tribes for the Black Hills, move BHNF out of USDA into Interior then give tribal governance over a new national monument that includes the national grasslands, Bear Butte and the Slim Buttes. Include land held by the US Bureau of Land Management.

    Corridors over public and private land to the Fork Peck, Crow, and Northern Cheyenne nations then into Wyoming’s Thunder Basin National Grassland beyond to North and South Dakota merely takes the political will to do it.

    After the herds reach sustainable levels agreed upon by the stakeholders allow private and other public herds like the one at Wind Cave National Park with microchips to join the public herd and be harvested according to the market or population pressures. Hybrid herds should be assessed on a case by case basis and some individuals could join the main herd.

    http://interested-party.blogspot.com/2015/11/todays-intersection-tribal-economic.html

  44. BIll DIthmer 2016-01-08 12:49

    I know of several ranchers that run in e excess of 1000 cows. That total income wouldnt evenmake a ripple in the economies of on tribe let alone support all those others.

    Give back the land is a dream that will never happen in our lifetime.

    The Blindman

  45. larry kurtz 2016-01-08 12:55

    New Mexico and Texas ranchers just lost another 30,000+ cattle in a blizzard. Some of those same livestock producers lost cattle in South Dakota’s October, 2013 blizzard. Bison are far more hearty than hybrid cattle. Let them move out of storm systems like they did just 300 years ago.

  46. BIll DIthmer 2016-01-08 12:59

    Larry, you still haven’t said how that few animals could support that many people.

    The Blindman

  47. larry kurtz 2016-01-08 13:04

    Yellowstone has sent herds to Illinois and other states to rebuild populations. I want to see 25 million migrating back and forth from the Pecos to the Yukon, Bill.

  48. BIll DIthmer 2016-01-08 13:17

    I could tell you why that wont happen, but I dont think anyone would like my reasons.

    I wouldnt mind seeing that myself, but Im way more of a realist then that.

    The Blindman

  49. Roger Cornelius 2016-01-08 13:21

    First of all the Universal Commercial Code is used as a cop-out for the sate to justify not doing anything on reservations. Calling for the need of the UCC on reservations is pointless, it is already there and often reinforced by tribal UCC’s, as in the case on the Oglala Sioux Reservation. They have their own UCC, I helped write it years ago.
    Additionally, when Natives buy a new or used car, a mobile, buy furniture, make commercial or personal loans at off reservation lenders, they sign the standard UCC that is fully enforceable and honored in tribal courts. Do you think lenders would commit large amounts of money without legal protections?

  50. BIll DIthmer 2016-01-08 13:25

    Wouldnt that just be a tribal commercial code Roger?

    The Blindman

  51. Roger Cornelius 2016-01-08 13:40

    Troy,
    When I did some business consulting work for the Oglala Sioux Tribe I had the opportunity to work with Steve, Pat, and Chuck Turberville (sp), I believe Chuck was the director of state economic development at the time.
    For the life of me, since you mentioned Pat’s first name I can recall his last name. He had a tremendous sense of humor and like Steve, died at a very young age.
    Among the projects we worked on together were the Pine Ridge Plastics Plant, an electrical assembly plant in Manderson, the Pine Ridge Moccasin factory in Pine Ridge and the Wanbli arrow factory. They were quite helpful in providing resources for these businesses.
    What needs to pointed out is that tribes do not have a monopoly on reservation businesses. In fact in most cases tribes are compelled by law to own any gambling operations and that is all most tribes own.
    Like any town or community there is a great diversity in business ownership that has existed for decades and probably did not necessarily require a UCC.
    There are and have been non-Indian businesses operating on reservations for years. From years past the local trading posts were owned by non-Indians and later converted to larger grocery stores, also owned by non-Indians Other businesses that exist on some reservations are small retail operations, hair salons, and of course, farm and ranch operations.

  52. Daniel Buresh 2016-01-08 13:42

    “Additionally, when Natives buy a new or used car, a mobile, buy furniture, make commercial or personal loans at off reservation lenders, they sign the standard UCC that is fully enforceable and honored in tribal courts.”

    That is true if you are willing to appeal their decisions to higher courts. I personally know of an incident where a tribal judge told my father that a white man’s contract is not valid there and he would be best to not continue to repo vehicles because he might not make it home. The bank cut their losses, closed the branch, and walked away. Now, this judge is now residing in prison for a variety of charges stemming from corruption and embezzlement, but he got away with stealing money from a financial institution for those bad customers. I know of plenty of natives who don’t even trust tribal court because of what their last name is. It may not work this way in all tribes, but it can get pretty clique-like when it comes to governance and that is bad when it extends into the judicial side of things. There is a reason why outside businesses really question dealings on reservations. I don’t blame them for doing that either.

  53. Jack Shaftoe 2016-01-08 14:28

    I wonder, Larry Kurtz, if what you are saying is that “we” assign the descendants of the Lakota, Dakota and Nakota to live an old stone age existence that their people lived before the white man came. I gathered from history that a big problem that has existed since the 7th Cavalry and before them, was our forefathers always looking for the “chief” in that everyone thought the same way even realizing that among the white people there had always existed factions and a wide range of opinions. The Indian was expected to have one chief who thought and answered for everyone else. That “primitive” life was brutal, no matter whether it was in pre-Columbian North America or Europe or China. Is the emergence into a greater ability to manipulate your conditions so awful if you can see many more of your children not die from common diseases and infections, not freezing and starving in the winters or abandoning Grandma or Grandpa when they can no longer hunt? It doesn’t matter who invented central heating or medicines, as people from many different places have had contact, ideas transferred that made lives better. When Lewis and Clark returned from their trip west, a group of representatives from some northern plains tribes overtook them and there was a meeting at a placed named for it – Council Bluffs, now in Iowa. What the tribes asked for was “the white man’s religion”. What they got were missions from the Catholics and Episcopals. I attended the 125th Convocation of the Episcopal Church at Rosebud a few decades or so ago. What the people wanted was guns, steel knives, hatchets and so forth – they understood all the tasks, these items would have been an improvement on how they accomplished these jobs. It was much safer to shoot a Bison at a distance compared to being up close and personal with a ton of pissed off animal. They got the white man’s god instead, at least in1806. Side note: Lewis and Clark used air rifles from Belgium that could kill a buffalo (Bison) with a .50 cal. ball at over a hundred yards and could be recharged very rapidly – this, probably more than the presence of Sacacawea(sp?) made various groups reluctant to overpower them and take all their supplies and guns etc.. I had heard about how the plains people respected everything and only took what they needed. This is a romanticization by some scholars. I am sure everyone is aware of the archaeological sites where the skeletons of hundreds and hundreds (in some cases) of Bison were found and dated to pre-Columbian times. It would have been impossible to cull out just a few animals. They would have to start a mass panic and in this way could direct them to where they could be stampeded off a high point where they would be killed or injured badly enough, that they could be exploited. Isn’t this true that you work with what you have at the time when you live? There would have been many occasions when they had many more dead than they could use. Also, returning just the Black Hills would likely be problematic because, at least from the best information, including Elizabeth Moon and others who are acquainted with tribal history and stories from that time, that the great majority of the people would have wintered in the Missouri valleys. They moved constantly all year and were in certain places as the year proceeded. The valleys were richest in useful plants and small game was much more abundant because it was far superior habitat compared to the cold plains. They were sheltered in these places. I believe it was the artist Catlin who painted watercolors and he did some of Lakota women harvesting black walnuts near Fort Pierre in some of the draws. Their lives were cyclical and dictated by the seasons. I am just curious about if you think modern ways are bad or should be thought of like this. Could any of us convert and live like our ancestors from when they were hunter gatherers?

  54. bearcreekbat 2016-01-08 15:24

    Jack, I enjoy your comments and ideas, but have a housekeeping suggestion. If you put several paragraph breaks in a long post it is much easier to read and understand. Without paragraph breaks a long post begins to get quite confusing and difficult to read. That said, please keep commenting as you have a lot of interesting things to say.

  55. Jack Shaftoe 2016-01-08 15:30

    Thank you bearcreekbat. I will make paragraph breaks in the future.

  56. larry kurtz 2016-01-08 15:50

    Nobody is asking tribes to live a Stone Age existence. If the state really wants to bring an economic development post to assist American Indians to build business opportunities off-reservation only Republicans would stand in the way of that. But, co-mingling funds for enterprises on the rez is another way for Pierre to control tribal governments and erode sovereignty.

  57. larry kurtz 2016-01-08 15:54

    Anyone who believes Don Haggar has the best interests of tribal members at heart is an idiot.

  58. Jack Shaftoe 2016-01-08 16:11

    Thank you Larry. I was just using you comment earlier about buffalo herds to bump off.

    I apologize for not knowing my history well, but I seem to remember the Janklow administration actually working against tribal interests and advancements. The idea of co-mingling money for control seems to ping some buried memory.

    I recall some on the left describing him as an “Indian fighter” but don’t recall if this was general or referred to a specific incident. Something other than the rape allegations too.

    It is always about the money for conservatives it seems and them being in the position to profit, even when, ostensibly, they are supposed to be involved in helping in some program. So many good ideas get screwed up and completely distorted when these guys are involved. None of them wants anything to do with open processes that we, the taxpayers can easily see.

  59. Rorschach 2016-01-08 16:42

    Rep. Haggar says in the Argus today that he’s going to be careful about whom he gives his petitions for circulation because of the problems with the Bosworth & Walker petitions and the Hickey allegations. Here’s a novel idea. Rep. Haggar needs 50 signatures. How about between now and the end of March he goes and talks to 50 Republican voters himself and asks them for their signature personally? Anybody too f****ing lazy to go get the small number of signatures they need for their own district race maybe shouldn’t be there.

  60. Troy 2016-01-08 18:45

    If any one can think of an employer who can do build buildings, buy equipment, and finance start-up training and other losses without any debt and utilizing absolutely no lease financing, those employers don’t care about the UCC. Everyone else locates where they can get financing.

    I have a friend who put up a corner coffee shack here in town. Paid cash. Granted, the only employees are wife and a couple of kids. And maybe would pay minimum wage. But it is something.

  61. Lynn 2016-01-08 19:11

    Larry Who Resides in New Mexico,

    Those links you provide that are for your blogs are filled with malware. Probably shouldn’t provide them.

  62. larry kurtz 2016-01-08 19:13

    thanks for the heads up, hun.

  63. Lynn 2016-01-08 19:18

    Virus & Malware very bad for computers. Very bad!

  64. Lynn 2016-01-08 19:24

    Probably because I don’t shop at Walmart and not being intoxicated helps one to see better.

  65. larry kurtz 2016-01-08 19:26

    Lynn brings up a good point. Why is there not a Walmart in Pine Ridge?

  66. grudznick 2016-01-08 19:48

    Good question, Lar. You’d think a capitalistic and soul-sucking organization like Walmart would go to Pine Ridge. Unless there is some government conspiracy to keep them out and drive everybody to Rapid City…where they can shop at…Walmart.

  67. grudznick 2016-01-08 19:55

    It appears that besides the two Walmarts and the Sams in Rapid City, the nearest Walmarts are Spearfish and Pierre. There is no Walmart in Sundance, or Sturgis, or Lead. No Walmart in Philip or Kadoka. No Walmart in Hot Springs or Belle Fourche or Hermosa, some of my good friend Bob’s haunts. And if there can be no Walmart in Wall, what on earth could be their criteria to place a store somewhere?

  68. Lynn 2016-01-08 20:03

    Daniel does bring up a good point. Growing up in one family business we did a few few unfortunate incidents where we took some financial hits when a few tribal members left us with damages, bills and then moved overnight to the reservation making it very difficult to recover those losses legally. We had to unfortunately absorb the losses and write it off as a couple of isolated incidents.

    Otherwise depending on which reservation we would have to spend a minimum of a day to go before a tribal court and then wonder if it would be non-biased since it can be intimidating for those not familiar with their system. All that time for travel & expense with the unknowns just didn’t seem worth pursuing so we just wrote it off and moved forward, checked references, as for anyone and treated each individual the same one at a time.

    A few irresponsible bad apples can take advantage of tribal sovereignty which makes it hard for everyone else.

  69. Porter Lansing 2016-01-08 20:29

    Mr. Kurtz … that link to the construction company opened just fine with no malware. My computer has excellent viris protection and it would have alerted me if something was wrong. The horses one is fine and the tribal intersection is ok, too. Not the first time Lynn tried to fool you.

  70. grudznick 2016-01-08 20:34

    Is Lar now posting links to his construction company? Seems like shameless self promoting advertising capitalism to me. Nothing wrong with that.

  71. Lynn 2016-01-08 20:40

    Depends on the virus/malware protection and if it has been updated.

  72. grudznick 2016-01-08 20:52

    Yes, and if you go to one of Lar’s blogs you will be faced with anguish of the mental and computer sorts. He has lots of viruses poised to jump to your computers disk drive the moment you lay eyes upon his rantings.

  73. caheidelberger Post author | 2016-01-08 20:58

    [OK, great tech notes shared. Now back on topic.]

  74. grudznick 2016-01-08 21:12

    If the GORED has $50,000 to hire somebody, how much of that has to go to overhead like buying them a fancy cell phone and paying for copier supplies and health insurance? Maybe 10%. Then how much has to go for all the other stuff like paying payroll taxes and other spiffs for the employee? Maybe another 20%. Then if this lady has to travel about the state flitting from rez to rez, that’s going to eat into some serious gas money and burn up half a car a year. That leaves you $15,000 to hire somebody. Not bad money if you can get it, but minimum wage would probably be about $17,000.

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