Donald Trump abandoned its closest allies yesterday and violated the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action, the Iran nuclear deal. Here are the words beleaguered aides struggled to put together for Trump to recite on television to announce his decision:
My fellow Americans: Today, I want to update the world on our efforts to prevent Iran from acquiring a nuclear weapon.
The Iranian regime is the leading state sponsor of terror. It exports dangerous missiles, fuels conflicts across the Middle East, and supports terrorist proxies and militias such as Hezbollah, Hamas, the Taliban, and al Qaeda.
Over the years, Iran and its proxies have bombed American embassies and military installations, murdered hundreds of American servicemembers, and kidnapped, imprisoned, and tortured American citizens. The Iranian regime has funded its long reign of chaos and terror by plundering the wealth of its own people.
No action taken by the regime has been more dangerous than its pursuit of nuclear weapons and the means of delivering them.
In 2015, the previous administration joined with other nations in a deal regarding Iran’s nuclear program. This agreement was known as the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action, or JCPOA.
In theory, the so-called “Iran deal” was supposed to protect the United States and our allies from the lunacy of an Iranian nuclear bomb, a weapon that will only endanger the survival of the Iranian regime. In fact, the deal allowed Iran to continue enriching uranium and, over time, reach the brink of a nuclear breakout.
The deal lifted crippling economic sanctions on Iran in exchange for very weak limits on the regime’s nuclear activity, and no limits at all on its other malign behavior, including its sinister activities in Syria, Yemen, and other places all around the world.
In other words, at the point when the United States had maximum leverage, this disastrous deal gave this regime — and it’s a regime of great terror — many billions of dollars, some of it in actual cash — a great embarrassment to me as a citizen and to all citizens of the United States.
A constructive deal could easily have been struck at the time, but it wasn’t. At the heart of the Iran deal was a giant fiction that a murderous regime desired only a peaceful nuclear energy program.
Today, we have definitive proof that this Iranian promise was a lie. Last week, Israel published intelligence documents long concealed by Iran, conclusively showing the Iranian regime and its history of pursuing nuclear weapons.
The fact is this was a horrible, one-sided deal that should have never, ever been made. It didn’t bring calm, it didn’t bring peace, and it never will.
In the years since the deal was reached, Iran’s military budget has grown by almost 40 percent, while its economy is doing very badly. After the sanctions were lifted, the dictatorship used its new funds to build nuclear-capable missiles, support terrorism, and cause havoc throughout the Middle East and beyond.
The agreement was so poorly negotiated that even if Iran fully complies, the regime can still be on the verge of a nuclear breakout in just a short period of time. The deal’s sunset provisions are totally unacceptable. If I allowed this deal to stand, there would soon be a nuclear arms race in the Middle East. Everyone would want their weapons ready by the time Iran had theirs.
Making matters worse, the deal’s inspection provisions lack adequate mechanisms to prevent, detect, and punish cheating, and don’t even have the unqualified right to inspect many important locations, including military facilities.
Not only does the deal fail to halt Iran’s nuclear ambitions, but it also fails to address the regime’s development of ballistic missiles that could deliver nuclear warheads.
Finally, the deal does nothing to constrain Iran’s destabilizing activities, including its support for terrorism. Since the agreement, Iran’s bloody ambitions have grown only more brazen.
In light of these glaring flaws, I announced last October that the Iran deal must either be renegotiated or terminated.
Three months later, on January 12th, I repeated these conditions. I made clear that if the deal could not be fixed, the United States would no longer be a party to the agreement.
Over the past few months, we have engaged extensively with our allies and partners around the world, including France, Germany, and the United Kingdom. We have also consulted with our friends from across the Middle East. We are unified in our understanding of the threat and in our conviction that Iran must never acquire a nuclear weapon.
After these consultations, it is clear to me that we cannot prevent an Iranian nuclear bomb under the decaying and rotten structure of the current agreement.
The Iran deal is defective at its core. If we do nothing, we know exactly what will happen. In just a short period of time, the world’s leading state sponsor of terror will be on the cusp of acquiring the world’s most dangerous weapons.
Therefore, I am announcing today that the United States will withdraw from the Iran nuclear deal.
In a few moments, I will sign a presidential memorandum to begin reinstating U.S. nuclear sanctions on the Iranian regime. We will be instituting the highest level of economic sanction. Any nation that helps Iran in its quest for nuclear weapons could also be strongly sanctioned by the United States.
America will not be held hostage to nuclear blackmail. We will not allow American cities to be threatened with destruction. And we will not allow a regime that chants “Death to America” to gain access to the most deadly weapons on Earth.
Today’s action sends a critical message: The United States no longer makes empty threats. When I make promises, I keep them. In fact, at this very moment, Secretary Pompeo is on his way to North Korea in preparation for my upcoming meeting with Kim Jong-un. Plans are being made. Relationships are building. Hopefully, a deal will happen and, with the help of China, South Korea, and Japan, a future of great prosperity and security can be achieved for everyone.
As we exit the Iran deal, we will be working with our allies to find a real, comprehensive, and lasting solution to the Iranian nuclear threat. This will include efforts to eliminate the threat of Iran’s ballistic missile program; to stop its terrorist activities worldwide; and to block its menacing activity across the Middle East. In the meantime, powerful sanctions will go into full effect. If the regime continues its nuclear aspirations, it will have bigger problems than it has ever had before.
Finally, I want to deliver a message to the long-suffering people of Iran: The people of America stand with you. It has now been almost 40 years since this dictatorship seized power and took a proud nation hostage. Most of Iran’s 80 million citizens have sadly never known an Iran that prospered in peace with its neighbors and commanded the admiration of the world.
But the future of Iran belongs to its people. They are the rightful heirs to a rich culture and an ancient land. And they deserve a nation that does justice to their dreams, honor to their history, and glory to God.
Iran’s leaders will naturally say that they refuse to negotiate a new deal; they refuse. And that’s fine. I’d probably say the same thing if I was in their position. But the fact is they are going to want to make a new and lasting deal, one that benefits all of Iran and the Iranian people. When they do, I am ready, willing, and able.
Great things can happen for Iran, and great things can happen for the peace and stability that we all want in the Middle East.
There has been enough suffering, death, and destruction. Let it end now.
Thank you. God bless you. Thank you [Donald Trump, remarks on the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action, WhiteHouse.gov, 2018.05.08].
We know that words out of Donald Trump’s mouth mean nothing. For meaningful explanation and analysis of this harmful foreign policy decision, we turn to the President who negotiated the JCPOA with Iran, Germany, France, Great Britain, Russia, and China, Barack Obama:
There are few issues more important to the security of the United States than the potential spread of nuclear weapons, or the potential for even more destructive war in the Middle East. That’s why the United States negotiated the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) in the first place.
The reality is clear. The JCPOA is working – that is a view shared by our European allies, independent experts, and the current U.S. Secretary of Defense. The JCPOA is in America’s interest – it has significantly rolled back Iran’s nuclear program. And the JCPOA is a model for what diplomacy can accomplish – its inspections and verification regime is precisely what the United States should be working to put in place with North Korea. Indeed, at a time when we are all rooting for diplomacy with North Korea to succeed, walking away from the JCPOA risks losing a deal that accomplishes – with Iran – the very outcome that we are pursuing with the North Koreans.
That is why today’s announcement is so misguided. Walking away from the JCPOA turns our back on America’s closest allies, and an agreement that our country’s leading diplomats, scientists, and intelligence professionals negotiated. In a democracy, there will always be changes in policies and priorities from one Administration to the next. But the consistent flouting of agreements that our country is a party to risks eroding America’s credibility, and puts us at odds with the world’s major powers.
Debates in our country should be informed by facts, especially debates that have proven to be divisive. So it’s important to review several facts about the JCPOA.
First, the JCPOA was not just an agreement between my Administration and the Iranian government. After years of building an international coalition that could impose crippling sanctions on Iran, we reached the JCPOA together with the United Kingdom, France, Germany, the European Union, Russia, China, and Iran. It is a multilateral arms control deal, unanimously endorsed by a United Nations Security Council Resolution.
Second, the JCPOA has worked in rolling back Iran’s nuclear program. For decades, Iran had steadily advanced its nuclear program, approaching the point where they could rapidly produce enough fissile material to build a bomb. The JCPOA put a lid on that breakout capacity. Since the JCPOA was implemented, Iran has destroyed the core of a reactor that could have produced weapons-grade plutonium; removed two-thirds of its centrifuges (over 13,000) and placed them under international monitoring; and eliminated 97 percent of its stockpile of enriched uranium – the raw materials necessary for a bomb. So by any measure, the JCPOA has imposed strict limitations on Iran’s nuclear program and achieved real results.
Third, the JCPOA does not rely on trust – it is rooted in the most far-reaching inspections and verification regime ever negotiated in an arms control deal. Iran’s nuclear facilities are strictly monitored. International monitors also have access to Iran’s entire nuclear supply chain, so that we can catch them if they cheat. Without the JCPOA, this monitoring and inspections regime would go away.
Fourth, Iran is complying with the JCPOA. That was not simply the view of my Administration. The United States intelligence community has continued to find that Iran is meeting its responsibilities under the deal, and has reported as much to Congress. So have our closest allies, and the international agency responsible for verifying Iranian compliance – the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA).
Fifth, the JCPOA does not expire. The prohibition on Iran ever obtaining a nuclear weapon is permanent. Some of the most important and intrusive inspections codified by the JCPOA are permanent. Even as some of the provisions in the JCPOA do become less strict with time, this won’t happen until ten, fifteen, twenty, or twenty-five years into the deal, so there is little reason to put those restrictions at risk today.
Finally, the JCPOA was never intended to solve all of our problems with Iran. We were clear-eyed that Iran engages in destabilizing behavior – including support for terrorism, and threats toward Israel and its neighbors. But that’s precisely why it was so important that we prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon. Every aspect of Iranian behavior that is troubling is far more dangerous if their nuclear program is unconstrained. Our ability to confront Iran’s destabilizing behavior – and to sustain a unity of purpose with our allies – is strengthened with the JCPOA, and weakened without it.
Because of these facts, I believe that the decision to put the JCPOA at risk without any Iranian violation of the deal is a serious mistake. Without the JCPOA, the United States could eventually be left with a losing choice between a nuclear-armed Iran or another war in the Middle East. We all know the dangers of Iran obtaining a nuclear weapon. It could embolden an already dangerous regime; threaten our friends with destruction; pose unacceptable dangers to America’s own security; and trigger an arms race in the world’s most dangerous region. If the constraints on Iran’s nuclear program under the JCPOA are lost, we could be hastening the day when we are faced with the choice between living with that threat, or going to war to prevent it.
In a dangerous world, America must be able to rely in part on strong, principled diplomacy to secure our country. We have been safer in the years since we achieved the JCPOA, thanks in part to the work of our diplomats, many members of Congress, and our allies. Going forward, I hope that Americans continue to speak out in support of the kind of strong, principled, fact-based, and unifying leadership that can best secure our country and uphold our responsibilities around the globe [Barack Obama, Facebook post, 2018.05.08].
America and the world desperately need an American President who governs on intelligence, evidence, and the public interest, not the gut impulses of a narcissist.
The foreign ministers of France, Great Britain, Germany, and Iran will meet Monday to talk about continuing the deal without the U.S. But hey, maybe U.S. oil companies will make more money.
Cory, why don’t you post what Mossad found that contradicts Obama’s lies?
From NYT- Days before President Trump was to decide whether to pull out of the 2015 nuclear deal with Iran, Mr. Netanyahu presented records from a secret warehouse in Tehran, making the case that Iranian leaders had deceived the international nuclear agency when they insisted their nuclear program was for peaceful purposes. Israeli spies seized the documents in an overnight raid in January, a senior Israeli official said.
But Mr. Netanyahu did not provide any evidence that Iran had violated the nuclear agreement since it took effect in early 2016. That suggests that the Israeli prime minister — who has opposed the deal since its inception, and even went to the American Congress to try to block it — was hoping that the disclosures would bolster Mr. Trump’s resolve to scuttle the agreement on May 12.
Agendas everywhere, but no proof of violations, Troll.
Mike, do I need to post a picture of Haley standing in front of an Iranian missile that was forbidden under the deal?
Jason please be specific. What “lies” do you believe are contained within Obama’s response, and what information from Israeli intelligence do you believe counters it/them?
Because I viewed the presentation that Netanyahu gave and at no point did it suggest Iran wasn’t complying with the agreement. In fact, Netanyahu’s entire premise seemed to focus upon Iran’s dishonesty prior to the agreement where they claimed they didn’t have a nuclear weapons program. We knew that to be untrue many years ago (both Presidents Bush and Obama made public remarks about the threat) and this is exactly why the agreement was formed in the first place.
The reality is, Trump was actually incorrect – or perhaps blatantly dishonest in some of his claims such as the claim that the deal expires in seven years which would allow Iran to make nuclear weapons. That isn’t accurate at all and in fact the agreement never allows Iran to make nuclear weapons as they have signed the nuclear nonproliferation treaty which includes a complete ban on such weapons. This has been confirmed by the other parties in the agreement.
Also, SOS Pompeo admitted that the material the Israelis captured relates to a project that had ended sometime around 2003 which was long, long before this agreement.
So by all means… who is being dishonest here?
I’m not surprised by Trump pulling out of the agreement because his sole motivation on any and all actions is to reverse anything Obama had done. Thus this was expected. However let us not act as if this is a good thing for America or a good thing for Iran or even a good thing for the Middle East. If Iran is able to move forward with the remaining nations then perhaps this will turn out ok, but if this ends up leading to Iran pulling out of the agreement entirely due to our breech, then they will most certainly resume their nuclear weapons development program which cannot be perceived as a good thing on any account.
The end result of this could likely be more destabilization in the Middle East and ultimately could lead to another war. Perhaps that is the true motivation here – because we all know there is a lot of profit to be made when we enter yet another unjustified and avoidable war. But hey – patriotism right?
Google is a wonderful tool, when you want to learn what someone said or did you simply do a search and within minutes you have information.
mfi
Netanyahu’s flimsy evidence reminded me of George W.’s hunt WMD’s in Iraq.
Craig, do I need to post the picture for you also?
Jason — sure, post the pics on your website and send in the link, just stop wasting our time by cluttering up these spaces.
Buckobear,
Why are you afraid of the facts?
Now we don’t have to defend Iran from an Israel attack.
Until we get a responsible American President we will just pay more for gas and learn to like it. Kind of shoots the old American exportation of gas and oil right out of the saddle though. I am not sure how the farmers are gonna like the price of petrol going up and up, but NOem and the rest of the comrades seem to think that they will just shoulder it further and move on. In the meantime, Iran and Russia both are making some real progress in getting much needed pipeline gas to Europe and beyond, so there is that.
jerry
From all indications that I have read and heard Trump does not have a Plan B, other then to say he can negotiate a better deal.
Consequences don’t seem to matter to Trump, or maybe they do. Aside from skyrocketing gas prices, what do you think Trump’s end game is?
Those farmers are not going to like the solar-powered tractors….
Can farmers afford solar powered tractors?
How Trump Screwed Up
~ USA sanctions on Iran don’t mean squat because we don’t trade much with Iran. Europe does. Mr. Trump is threatening to impose “secondary sanctions” on our allies, if they don’t do what he wants aka bullying. Mr. Trump’s proposed secondary sanctions will disrupt trade between the United States and Europe, further hurting the American economy.
~ EU has already told Mr. Trump to mind his own business. Tehran can now do commerce as usual with Europe without any of our inspections to their nuclear enrichment, uranium mining and plutonium production. Iran is now free from inspection to move one turn of the screw away from building a warhead and a stockpile of weapons grade fuel, in secret.
~ Mr. Trump hasn’t stated what benefit adding all these risks will achieve.
~ Mr. Trump believes he can cut a better deal. What benefit is there for Tehran to negotiate with Trump? Iran is better off today than they were two days ago.
It’s clear Trump has now put the US in the position of violating the JCPOA, an international agreement. He’s about to engage in a TV event to announce where he intends to hold talks with Rocketman without the careful effort used to negotiate the JCPOA to assure that Iran did not cheat on the limitations to their nuclear program.
Jason wants to bring up Netanyahu’s statements. Those statements are not based on contemporary facts. They are old facts based on information from prior to the JCPOA. Israel, by the way, would be in violation of the JCPOA, if it applied to them. For some reason the international community and apologists for the evils perpetrated by Israel overlook the fact that Israel obtained a nuclear weapon in much the same way that North Korea did, and that Iran was trying to do. We should demand Israel give up it’s nuclear weapons and it’s nuclear programs.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jan/15/truth-israels-secret-nuclear-arsenal
Engaging in faked TV diplomacy is what the dumb crowd who support Trump thinks diplomacy in the real world is done. They applaud the shows put on by media bamboozlers of the world, of which Trump, Rocketman and Netanyahu are prime examples.
Obama, his administration and the administrations of seven world powers did the hard work of getting a real and enforceable deal, and our TV-president decided he’d destroy it. He’s a fool.
Who knows. There has been some development in electric tractors, but how expensive they are is hard to say.
https://www.oemoffhighway.com/media-center/videos/video/20990331/john-deere-sesam-electric-tractor
It sounds like they want to recharge the tractor through the generation and consumption of biomethane.
Mike, do I need to post a picture of Haley standing in front of an Iranian missile that was forbidden under the deal?
I dare you. Then we can charge Haley with being in possession of forbidden weapons and execute her and you for aiding and abetting, Troll.
BTW, how many UN sanctions has Israel; ignored and why haven’t neo-cons demand we invade and overthrow Israel, like we did with Saddam Hussein?
Donald Pay,
Where did I bring up Netanyahu?
I brought up Haley.
Quit lying Donald.
Why are you afraid of the facts?
The facts are you are a Troll. You persist in disrupting every thread with your non-sense and hijack most every thread to make it about you.
Your distractions probably worked in pre-school. May have been appreciated, there, too.
Mike,
Obama couldn’t even get a Democrat Senate to ratify it.
The reason is the American public was against it.
Want anymore facts Mike?
As I read various comments about the impacts and consequences of Trump’s of pulling out of the treaty, one stood out.
When all things are considered, it appears that China will be the wild card winner on Iranian trade.
For the U.S. there isn’t a thing that Trump won by pulling out of this treaty.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-iran-deal-exit-win-for-russia_us_5af21ea9e4b00a3224ee17d1
Roger,
We get to impose sanctions again. They were working great before this deal.
Trump won that.
mike from iowa
Did President Obama have a Democratic controlled senate when the Iran treaty was made?
Leslie,
Americans don’t care about Russia.
From the article:
Trump’s move will likely lead toward progress on Russian President Vladimir Putin’s two chief goals: splintering the U.S.-led alliance of democratic powers that currently dominates global affairs and fortifying Russia’s alternative network, which includes Iran and its partners across the Middle East.
None of that affects the USA.
Americans may not care about Russia, but Trump sure as hell cares about them, he cares more about Putin then he does about his own country.
Roger lies again.
Roger- https://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/11/us/politics/iran-nuclear-deal-senate.html
Dems blocked wingnuts attempts to scuttle Iran Nuke deal.
Jason at 12:26 – “Obama couldn’t get a Democrat controlled senate t ratify it”.
President Obama had a Democrat controlled Senate and House from 2008-2010, from 2010-2016 republicans controlled both Houses.
The Iran nuclear treaty was not signed until 2015 when President Obama and the Democrats didn’t control either the Senate or the House, thereby a Democratic Senate could not have ratified the treaty.
Mr. Obama is likely to go down in history as a rare president whose single biggest foreign policy and domestic achievements were won with no Republican votes, a stark departure from his 2008 campaign that was fueled by the promise of bridging Washington’s yawning partisan divide. As with the Iran accord, the health care law — passed exclusively with Democratic votes — was a policy achievement that has come to define his presidency, in part through the vehemence of its opponents in Congress.
Thanks Mike,
Jason lied again – He thinks that Democrats wouldn’t approve President Obama’s Iran nuclear deal.
See how the Russians on the blog get nervous when Leslie gets straight to the point? Without USA in the JCPOA Russia is free to help Iran without inspectors getting in the news. None of the other countries have the ability to do it, except China and they’ve got Korea.
Doesn’t it seem that every deal Mr. Trump gets involved in leads to Russia coming out smelling like a rose? They must really have El Payaso by the short hairs.
PS … did someone say, “Americans don’t care about Russia?” LMFAO
Iran never signed it.
If Iran never signed the Iran nuclear deal it is not be legally binding, would it?
If the document wasn’t signed why did Trump have to undo it?
Porter, mike from iowa, and leslie already know the answer to this question.
Wait, what? Jason wrote:
“splintering the U.S.-led alliance of democratic powers that currently dominates global affairs”
and
“None of that affects the USA.”
Are you on glue? How does splintering our alliances not impact us?
Really three points are clear:
1. “When I make promises, I keep them.” – this is about the man, not the nation.
2. Along with the ACA, the GOP is determined that NO accomplishment, no matter how valuable, from the Obama administration will stand.
3. As others have noticed, this is starting to feel like the slippery slide of misinformation to put the US actively into Middle-East war again.
See the movie, “RED SPARROW”. It’s a quite accurate depiction of what Putin did to Trump.
#PeeGirlsGoneWild
o
Saudia Arabia announced that if Iran restarts their nuclear program they would start their own.
Apparently Trump’s goal is to have a nuclear Middle-East.
Monday will be the start of new meetings between the EU and Iran. It looks like the EU will wish to keep the deal in place as they were really the ones who put the efforts into getting the agreement signed in the first place. Everyone knew at the beginning that it was the start and not the finish of negotiations. Now that we have pulled out of yet another agreement, it will become difficult to give our word on really much of anything regarding trade or peace agreements.
It seems that Israel, Saudi Arabia and the US are the only 3 dudes in the whole world that support the trump decision. Wow, the coalition of the willing once more, Mission Accomplished. https://www.aa.com.tr/en/politics/world-reacts-to-us-withdrawal-from-iran-nuclear-deal/1140043
Roger, Mike Flynn and Ivanka’s husband, went to Saudi Arabia to make the go ahead plans for the Russians to build those reactors there. https://www.propublica.org/article/white-house-may-share-nuclear-power-technology-with-saudi-arabia
trump and comrades knew that with the Iranian deal in place, they would never get that shady deal done. Follow the money.
Roger, “Apparently Trump’s goal is to have a nuclear Middle-East.”
Here is where I disagree with you, I don’t think Trump has goals. I don’t think there is a paradigm that dictates a consistent procedure of how to move forward in foreign relations. This is all reaction, cowboy diplomacy.
Roger, Porter and Jerry, you appropriately focus us again on what is more-and-more the common denominator in the President’s actions – helping the Russian agenda. If the administration wants to sell the idea that they did not collude with the Russians, not colluding with the Russians would be my advice to the President’s team moving forward.
Russia again, huh Jerry? This USA President is quite beneficial to the Putin.
As far as The House of Saud vs Persia stacks up for world safety …
~ Saudi is the bastion of Wahhabism, an extremely backwards (and extreme) branch of Islam.
~ Iran is not historically speaking a Muslim country, even if it’s now under Islamic-control. The Persian culture was and is still far more tolerant than the neighboring ones.
~ Republicans can say what they like about the Ayatollahs but they are far less dangerous and oppressive than the sheiks and their sycophants.
Porter, the United States would have a VASTLY different Mid-East policy if there were not oil deposits under Saudi Arabia. (In fact, I would argue we would have something other than gasoline internal combustion engines also). Saudi Arabia most often does not hold up to a true alignment of US interests — certainly not a human rights — standard in foreign policy aims.
Russian leverage over trump is now a fact. Everyone seems to know this but Jackley and the rest of the South Dakota comrades.
“The New York Times has confirmed the explosive claims made by Michael Avenatti, the lawyer for Stormy Daniels, that Columbus Nova — a New York investment firm whose biggest client is a company controlled by Russian oligarch Viktor Vekselberg — deposited half a million dollars into a secret account set up by attorney Michael Cohen to pay off Trump’s sexual partners. The possible reasons for this arrangement run from brazenly corrupt to far worse. Columbus Nova said the hefty sum was a “consulting fee” paid to Cohen, hardly a benign explanation.” http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/05/russian-leverage-over-trump-fact-michael-cohen-stormy-daniels-devin-nunes.html
We all should be asking for some kind of Russian rebate besides pickled Borscht recipes. I guess trump wants us all to be eating that crap.
Rick Perry is encouraging Saudi Arabia to sign a “123 Agreement” with the United States to allow them to enrich and reprocess uranium.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/energy/rick-perry-saudi-arabia-should-sign-nuclear-energy-deal-with-us
“Saudi Arabia plans to construct 16 nuclear power reactors over the next 20 to 25 years at a cost of more than $80 billion, according to the World Nuclear Association, and the Trump administration wants the U.S. to have a piece.”
Just wanted to remind folks that a country that has gotten nuclear arms illegally is….Israel. A country responsible for giving nuclear arms to other country’s is….Israel. A country that refuse’s to abide by international dictum is…..Israel.
Perhaps its time for the US to stop sending our treasure and soldiers to help out Israel and let them go it alone. They have done quite well. If they want to nuke Iran I’m sure there are country’s willing to use that as an excuse to wipe them off the map.
Now Israel seems willing to ally themselves with Saudi Arabia over Iran. Hmmmm, makes me wonder just what the issue really is.
Jason lied again again again echo echo echo.
Jason
2018-05-09 at 12:26
Mike,
Obama couldn’t even get a Democrat Senate to ratify it
Back in 2015, there were loud calls — not least from senators — for President Barack Obama to ask the Senate to ratify the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) with Iran, calling it a “treaty.” Instead, he chose to enter into an executive agreement, which has become something of a trend: Treaties are a tiny fraction of international agreements overall. A 2007 study by political scientists Kiki Caruson and Victoria Farrar-Myers found that between 1977 and 1996 presidents negotiated nearly 4,000 executive agreements — but only 300 treaties
Obama never asked for ratification. The Troll lied again.
Clyde, you sir, are spot on about our giving blood and treasure to prop up the Jewish State. Something else, if trump or Rick Perry think that the US is gonna get in on the action with Saudi Arabia, they have more swamp to sell. What we may get out of the deal are the spent Russian rods to dispose of, making sure they do not fall into the wrong hands, nod nod wink wink.
Apparently no one in Drumpf’s orbit bothered to figure out what comes next after withdrawing from the agreement.
Drumpf must believe our allies and Iran will be willing to negotiate a tougher agreement without bothering to talk to any of them. Drumpf has screwed the pooch on this deal as surely as dumbass dubya royally screwed up Iraq.
What’s next? There is nothing next except a region of the globe about to be hit with another war because of American wingnut stoopidity and a moron in the WH who wants Putin’s praise above all else.
Iran built and supply the IEDs that were used in Iraq and still used to kill American soldiers in Afghanistan. Iran was behind the Kobel Tower bombing. Iran is the world’s largest terrorist organization.
Anyone that supports that piece of crap agreement that Obama was too much of a coward to allow Congress to approve/disapprove, which is required by our Constitution, is a freaking idiot or traitor to our home.
Trump has allowed Iran to restart their nuclear program, which they are doing.
Trump has allowed Iran to attack Israel through Syria.
Trump has encouraged Saudi Arabia to develop their own nuclear program.
Trump is now threatening to pull out of the U.S. Constitution.
Trump wishes that he pulled out of Stormy before he entered her.
1) Stupid statement 1: “Trump has allowed Iran to restart their nuclear program, which they are doing.”They already had their program going and are refining uranium even today.
2) Stupid statement 2: “Trump has allowed Iran to attack Israel through Syria.” Iran attacked Israel all on their own and to their own demise.
3) Stupid statement 3: “Trump has encouraged Saudi Arabia to develop their own nuclear program.” It’s called negotiation.
4) Stupid statement 4: “Trump is now threatening to pull out of the U.S. Constitution.” No response needed.
5) Stupid statement 5: “Trump wishes that he pulled out of Stormy before he entered her.” You are nothing more than a crude fool.
Beatle Bailey’s entire comment is stupid, as usual.
If you want to call someone crude, call Trump crude and crass.
No Roger. I am calling you crude “Trump wishes that he pulled out of Stormy before he entered her.”
Those are your words. They are the words you typed. They are yours. That is what is so truly wrong with you and those of your ilk. You “claim” to be so enlightened, understanding, open and progressive but you are no different than the AG from New York. You talk like you care but you do not. You are no less of an animal than the woman beating #metoo AG from New York. Sorry dude, you are caught and you are an ass.
Stupid Beatle Bailey feigns indignity about my comments about Trump, but has no outrage for Trump’s crude and crass behavior.
NY Governor Cuomo asked for the AG’s resignation 4 hours after the news broke about the AG’s sexual abuse allegations and received it.
In the meantime at the White House, Trump still has not been held accountable for the 19 sexual abuse allegations against him, in fact, Trumptards cheer his crude comments like “grab ’em by the pu*#y.
Beatle Bailey’s a hypocrite, he acts all outraged about a comment I made about Trump while he maintains his support of the biggest pervert to ever occupy the White House.
Trump announced tonight that he will add new sanctions to Iran.
Good news for Trumptards, they can now use those scant pennies they got from Trump’s tax cuts to pay for soaring gas prices.
Blaming Iran for IED’s and anti tank missiles is a little far fetched. Could be Russian, Chinese, German or even our own. https://warisboring.com/what-destroyed-this-abrams-tank/ Fact of the matter is, there are clearly problems with a ground war that would be not good if to ever happen. Israel knows this already and that is why they stay out of Lebanon. Hezbollah had fought them to a standstill the last time they went there. Peace is a better outcome. The powers that put together the Iranian agreement know all about this and will do everything they possibly can to keep that agreement in place. By trump’s actions, we now have shown in matters of peaceful trade as well as peaceful agreements, America cannot be trusted to complete.
Putin sends his warmest wishes to trump and this comrades in South Dakota for backing out of the Iranian agreement. Putin needs some money and the only way Russian can get those funds is with their oil sales. Oil prices have now risen to their highest in a decade so that means the Russian economy gains while we chumps pay more for the oil we are using. Cut to the new fuel guidelines trump wants imposed and you can see where this is all heading, bigger cars and Suv’s equals more fuel use which equals more money in comrade Putin’s pockets. America goes backward while the republican comrades move forward. Thanks NOem. Thanks Thune. Thanks Rounds and thank you lickspittle Krebs for all of your maneuvering to Make Russia Great Again.
trump’s latest stoopid statement.
“Iran’s supreme leader revealed on Wednesday an unpublicized letter sent recently by President Trump to countries in the Middle East, raising questions about how Ayatollah Ali Khamenei came to know about private correspondence between the U.S. leader and his allies in the region.
The day after Trump announced his intention to withdraw from the 2015 nuclear accord with Iran, Khamenei sent a tweet that claimed Trump had written a letter to leaders of Persian Gulf Arab states “a few days ago” that demanded they do more in the region. “I spent $7 trillion and you must do something in return,” the Iranian leader claimed the letter stated.
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A few days ago Trump wrote a letter to leaders of #PersianGulf states, which was revealed to us. He wrote: “I spent $7 trillion and you must do something in return.” The U.S. wants to own humiliated slaves.
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The comments appeared to be directed at Persian Gulf countries such as Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates — close allies of the Trump administration and, alongside Israel, the most vocal outside critics of the agreement that Iran reached with the United States and five other nations in 2015.
Khamenei also mentioned the letter during an event earlier Wednesday at Farhangian University in Tehran.
“A couple of days ago, Trump wrote a letter to the leaders of the Arab world. We have that letter,” the ayatollah said. “In the letter, he says I have spent $7 trillion on you, you have to do [what I say]. You spent this money to rule over Iraq and Syria. You couldn’t. To hell with it. He says you should do it and says Iran ‘should’ do it, too.”” Washington Post
Something tells me that this ploy is not gonna work very well. Bolton and Bush tried to do the same thing in Iraq which started this 7 trillion we have lost on military misadventures. Get ready boys and girls, we are gonna have another 7 trillion invested in worthless sifting sand saturated with the blood of our fellow human beings.
Iran built and supply the IEDs that were used in Iraq and still used to kill American soldiers in Afghanistan.
Bull Salami!!! The United States of America sold Saddam Hussein the precursors for his chemical weapons he used on Iran and Kurds. We even sold him components of his nukular program.
Remember this- https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/rumsfeld-backed-saddam-even-after-chemical-attacks-83921.html
mike from iowa, those are two different topics. This is why no one in your life has any respect for you. I don’t mean anything bad by this but even the other libs on this site rarely acknowledge your post. They think you are stupid. You post are a waste of time. You should find something else to do. You aren’t a very good writer or bully. Just doesn’t work. Maybe you should get a job or something.
OS, claiming that no one in another person’s life respects that person is an absurd and baseless insult, given that you don’t even know the person in question personally, let alone anyone in that person’s life. Also baseless and cheap is crying “get a job.”
Again, there’s too much insult-throwing and not enough analysis, which only serves to deter new readers from scrolling through the comments. Your barroom brawl is of little public interest.
Sanctions: the real fun will come when Trump starts sanctioning our allies for not following him and for keeping their word to Iran. Putin will put up a “Mission Accomplished” banner when that happens and have his oligarchs send Trump more Stormy money.
My mistake on the IEDs, OldSoapy. That is as close to an apology as you get from me. Frame it.
Israel,btw, provided military and material support to Iran during the Iran/Iraq war while we supplied both sides, mostly our tin horn dictator Hussein.
What is with Trump supporters completely ignoring the implications of stopping Iran because of “terrorist support” while making a billion dollar arms deal with Saudi Arabia?
Good Morning mike from iowa
As you know I often respond to your well thoughtout analysis
Let’s do a short psychological thumbnail of Old Sarge’s post, this morning.
~ It’s called projection. i.e. When you accuse others of your own faults.
~ Here’s what Sarge feels about himself on this lovely Spring Friday.
1. He doesn’t get any respect.
2. He’s rarely acknowledged positively for what he writes.
3. He has a low opinion of his own intelligence.
4. He feels his life is meaningless.
5. He’s unhappy about his life choices.
6. He wants to be a writer but mostly comes across as a bully.
7. He’s unfulfilled and hates his job.
Have a good day, Sarge. PS … life is better when you give positive energy to others. ✔
That person who stated that Iran was providing IED’s to Iraq is full of hooey. There has never been any proof whatsoever in that kind of statement. The same guys that lied us into the blood and treasure losses in Iraq are the same guys that were spreading this nonsense over the course of the Bush adventure.
“The claims being made by the Bush Administration, by Congress, and by the media regarding Iranian support of militants in Iraq have a number of things in common: they are generic and lacking in specificity, they are based on possibly unwarranted assumptions about Iranian interactions with other players in the region, they play fast and loose with statistics, and they seldom provide actual verifiable evidence to back up the assertions being made. One might also point out that nearly all the reports are derivative in that they build on each other to develop credibility, much like the reports about Iraq in 2002, and also that the mainstream media is generally accepting of commentary provided by anonymous official sources or by no sources at all, which is again reminiscent of Iraq. As a rule the official sources also ignore alternative explanations and do not consider existing evidence that would disprove or modify the judgments being made.56
The general nature of the charges and lack of specificity is most glaring. The central allegation being made is that Iran is smuggling sophisticated weaponry into Iraq that is being used by third parties to kill American soldiers, but even when specific claims are made they are laced with qualifying expressions like “we believe,” “possibly,” and “we have intelligence.” The accusations about Iranian behavior are particularly surprising in light of dissenting views also coming out of Washington like the National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq, released in an unclassified version in January 2007, which declared that Iran had no decisive influence over developments in Iraq.”
According to the National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq (which makes more sense than some guy who claims otherwise) the poster is full of smelly stuff.
BTW, I always enjoy mfi just as I do many of the other posters that Cory allows on this site.
Me. Dicta, I am guessing that russian republicans have chosen to forget 9/11 and who was directly involved with 15 of the 19 involved were citizens of that sand trap. Hint to those who forgot..Saudi Arabia.
That, for one. And the billions they have spent spreading wahabbism like a virus throughout the middle east. ISIS and Al-Qaeda are Sunni, not Shi’a.
We could always drill for more oil in the US so we don’t have to buy as much from SA.
I forgot about this.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/03/09/world/middleeast/document-the-letter-senate-republicans-addressed-to-the-leaders-of-iran.html
I mean, sure. But isn’t Canada the largest importer of crude to the US by a pretty wide margin?
Good Morning, Roger and Jerry. I just came back from a face to face with former Rapid City mayor- Sam Kooiker. Interesting fellow, to say the least.
Cory, Sam says to say hello to you.
Khobar towers bombing had quite a number of Saudis involved, as well.
New York Times article is outdated and irrelevant, it is from March 9, 2015.
Roger is saying our Constitution is irrelevant.
Please leave the US Roger if you think our Constitution is irrelevant.
True that Roger, but the Russian traitors all signed it including the printed, Jerry Moron at the tail end. Dude cannot write, which is kind of fitting, because non of them can read.
Did Jason just pull a variation on “If you don’t like Murika, you can get out?”
SOLID
For the simpleton.
This is America, in America its citizens have a right to live where they choose without being bullied and intimidated by, “if you don’t like it move”.
Clearly the author of that ignorant comment has never read the Constitution let alone understand it.
As a Native American America is my ancestral home, my tribal linage can be traced back centuries, I probably have more right to live in this country then you do.
You are also wrong, I have even respect for the Constitution and its powers to know that it is very article that will bring Donald Trump down.
jerry, mike from iowa, and Porter,
Can you guys do me a favor and point out where I said the Constitution is “irrelevant”?
Thanks
Roger
Nope, not me. Only a Russian sympathizer could even dream stuff up like that. Let us all remember who benefits from the US pullout of the agreement. One Vlad Putin to Make Russia Great Again over American interests. Check out the price of oil and you can see who just got thanked for tanking the election in favor of trump. Crime pays.
Wilbur Ross and Cohen are two Russians sittin in a tree.
“Viktor Vekselberg hasn’t topped the list of Russian oligarchs suspected of ties to President Donald Trump’s circle. But maybe he should.
Columbus Nova, a private-equity fund operator affiliated with Vekselberg, moved $500,000 to an entity set up by Trump’s personal lawyer Michael Cohen last year. The transfer places Vekselberg at the center of an unfolding drama over alleged ties between the Trump campaign and Russia, linking Vekselberg to the Delaware company Cohen used to pay off porn actress Stephanie Clifford, known as Stormy Daniels, before Trump was elected.
Vekselberg, a Ukrainian-born billionaire who made his fortune in oil and aluminum, attended Trump’s swearing-in last year after his cousin donated to the inauguration fund. Through his Renova Group, Vekselberg invested in Bank of Cyprus in 2014 alongside Wilbur Ross, who is now Trump’s commerce secretary.” https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-05-09/russian-oligarch-s-links-to-trump-s-world-extend-beyond-cohen
Oil prices are rising and so will the deposits made in Wilbur’s bank from Vlad Putin and company. Making Russia Great Again dual campaign slogans for just elected Vlad and trump 2020, hello Comrade.
Check out the dates on when trump appeared with Bill Clinton’s accusers and the date in which Cohen worked the deal with Stormy. Then you know why they paid the hush money “funneled through the law firm”. https://www.cnbc.com/video/2016/10/09/trump-appears-with-bill-clinton-accusers.html
jerry
It was announced today that Mueller is likely looking into millions of dollars missing from Trump’s inauguration committee.
Apparently Melenia and a friend profited from the missing funds from the inauguration committee.
Sessions, Rod Rosenstein, as well as Mueller were either appointed by trump or by a trump appointee. That is why this is not a witch hunt but a which hole hunt trump is hiding the looting of American that he and Cohen have put together thanks to the Russians.
Guiliani just said that Trump still won’t make a decision on being interviewed by Mueller. Trump may not talk to Mueller, but it is looking more likely he will be talking to a grand jury.
jerry,
I call Trump’s “witch hunt” a “which hunt”, as in which charges will Mueller be filing against Trump.
Almost all of you get so butt hurt when you are proven wrong but for the sake of peace within this discussion I want to apologize to mike from iowa for calling him stupid again, that nobody really likes him and he should get a job. Those statements were hurtful and mean. Not everyone has the resiliency to bounce back when they are suffering from issues of which we may not be familiar. In this case I did not know of mike from iowa’s condition. I am sorry.
Here are some news stories referring to the cause that killed many of those who are brothers to those who were sent to war:
2005: The UK has accused Iran of supplying the new weapon to militants in southern Iraq http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4320818.stm
2006: EXCLUSIVE: Iraq Weapons — Made in Iran https://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/IraqCoverage/story?id=1692347&page=1
2007: Deadliest Bomb in Iraq Is Made by Iran https://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/10/world/middleeast/10weapons.html
2011: Weapons prove Iranian role in Iraq, U.S. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/war-zones/weapons-prove-iranian-role-in-iraq-us-says/2011/07/05/gHQAUnkmzH_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.9e25a0ceda0a
2015: How Many US Troops Were Killed By Iranian IEDs in Iraq? https://www.defenseone.com/news/2015/09/how-many-us-troops-were-killed-iranian-ieds-iraq/120524/
The history is out there if you only look. To this day Iran is trading trafficking cocaine in Venezuela and Mexico, feeding the war in Yemen, they undermined a fledgling government in Iraq and building military bases in Syria to form a land bridge to attack Israel. The Iranian government is not a government of peace but instead wish to force their version of islam upon the world. Iran has been exposed and they have a choice; they can become a government of their own country and help their own people or they can be destroyed. That destruction may not be by the US but may come from their immediate neighbors and when it does come hundreds of thousands will die. Unless someone stands up to them their belligerence will not stop and the world is only further endangered. They are today trying to kill the children that we have all allowed those we elected have sent into harms way. Those children are our sons, daughters, cousins and neighbors. Maybe I have too much exposure to our military. . . As one poster put it “my tribal linage can be traced back centuries” and in those words he spoke of his family and I guess that is the way I think of those who serve. My tribal linage of service in uniform has more that 4 generations of serving and I see each young person we send as my family.
Pulling out of this “agreement”, which is not a treaty, puts the focus back on the true danger that exists in our world. We should all be grateful the decision was made, even if it was made by someone you hate.
(Curious: what is the point of using the phrase “butt hurt” versus “upset” or some other less crude synonym? What meaning do the phrase convey that isn’t conveyed by other words?)
Except, your argument is just people chattering with no proof. Here is the United States Government with its assessment during President Bush’s term in office. This is not some Democrat making a claim, this is the Bush government saying that Iran did not do anything.
“The accusations about Iranian behavior are particularly surprising in light of dissenting views also coming out of Washington like the National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq, released in an unclassified version in January 2007, which declared that Iran had no decisive influence over developments in Iraq.”
Now how all of this works is called dates. As noted, this National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq came out in January 2007 while President Bush was president. Can you see why the links you provide are not official links but of blogs and anonymous sources in the newspapers? And Ted Cruz? You put Ted Cruz as your go to guy. Damn man, you’re a funny feller. Nope, I will go for the Bush Administration’s own words on the subject and they say no soup for you. The cheer leading you are providing needs a shorter skirt.
“Except, your argument is just people chattering with no proof.” jerry, what do you want for proof, the dead kid sitting on your floor or visit the warehouse they build the bomb in?
Ok, I’ll play your game one more time. Are you familiar with Conflict Armament Research (CAR)? They do all the research in how weapons end up on the battlefield or in your neighborhood through the iTrace Global Weapon Reporting system. They are not an American organization. They are funded by the European Union. Here is their link: http://www.conflictarm.com
There are several research papers which will educate you of where almost all the weapons, including IEDs, are coming from that are used by Islamic terrorist in Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Yemen and around the world. It is a hard read so take your time but when you have read it it will make you an expert on this blog when it comes to weapons being used in today’s wars. The paper on RCIEDs is especially enlightening to see how advanced the Iranian IEDs have become. They look like rocks, children’s toys and even make a model to hide in bodies.
Here is one more link to an actual IED find in 2008 from a report presented to the UN that was found in Iraq and then look again at the CAR report for RCIEDs and tell me that “rock” is not an exact copy of the Iranian produced RCIEDs the Iranians got caught shipping to Yemen last year: https://weaponsdocs.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/usf-i_storyboard_sep_2008_ied.jpg
Blame dumbass dubya and neocons for the mess in the Middle East.
Someone sent rockets into the Golan Heights from Syria and Israel retaliated with overwhelming military destruction. The Golan Heights belong, by international law, to Syria- not Israel.
Israel will have the US fighting their proxy war with Iran because they can lead Drumpf around by the nose.
How many UN resolutions did you say Israel ignored before the US invaded Israel?
dumbass dubya was warned what removing Saddam Hussein from power would do for the balance of power in the ME. He, like Drumpf, chose to ignore expert advice. Now look where we are again.
Some idiot from Iowa thinks Middle East problems started under GWB
actually Jason mfi didn’t say that at all. Mideast problems have been going on for centuries. To bad your Republican buddies don’t realize that
Actually Owen, MFI said this: “Blame dumbass dubya and neocons for the mess in the Middle East.”
mike from iowa
George W. took Trump to the woodshed over violating the Iran nuclear deal.
The former president’s biggest concern as well as other world leaders, is that the U.S. is rapidly becoming an isolationist government when we should be leaders on the worldwide stage.
The former president is also outraged at losing most of our credibility not only with the Iran nuclear deal, but with our European allies
Bush continued with the fact that the nuclear deal was working just fine as it should and that Iran was in compliance with the agreement.
I’m not here to debate what was, but what will happen in the future. Trump says that he has a better deal and will negotiate with Iran. Where have he heard that promise before?
Iran isn’t willing to talk with Trump let alone negotiate with him after the stunt he pulled by violating the nuclear deal.
I read what he said Jason. MFI is right Dubya just expanded on the problems already there, just like Trump has now done.
I’ll let Mike fight his own fights but you’re distorting what he said.
Owen
Distortion is the name of the game for Jason.
The Troll lies again. Jason’s stock in trade.
Hitler Weasel Bush was careful not to overthrow Hussein in the 1st gulf war after America aided both Iran and Iraq in their war. The best solution to that war was a draw and neither country being dominant power. Then dubya screwed it all up for why?
Guys you need to stop. No opinions other than those that align with the leftist narrative should be posted here or those of the leftist persuasion get bent and whine to the moderator. Please stop. We must all live in peace and allow the animals of the world into our homes since we have no borders.
It is hell to live under the “awaiting moderator approval” banner. . .
“Please stop”, I don’t take orders from Trumptards, the last a checked this is still America where the First Amendment still means something.
False pleas of peace are just that.
Trumptards need to realize that Dakota Free Press is a liberal blog and is promoted as such.
There is always a choice between DFP and right-wing conservative blogs.
Weird, Ive expressed differing opinions a few times this week and I have been fine. Stop pretending to be a victim, Old sarg.
When Pat Powers at the war toilet started moderating my comments a couple of years I quit reading the blog entirely and haven’t been back.
Roger, I honestly just don’t want to be blocked. I like this site. If it were right wing I wouldn’t even post. I know Cory, and he likes the banter. It gets readers and that is the goal. Please don’t leave. Your voice is too valuable!
Banter is good at times and necessary, however I prefer honest discussions that are meaningful and educational, I’m not so old that I know everything or think I do.
Learning is a big part of my life, it always has been. I’m particularly intrigued when I hear from young people that can articulate their opinions and positions on an issue.
sarge u need to censor your flagrant name calling. it just shows u r an idiot.
the people u regularly call derogatory names are well known well thought of here over many years, and your ridiculous trumpstering such tripe is anything but accurate.
Jason-member how republicans violated the advise/consent requirement of the constitution for hearing presidential appointments concerning plugging in Gorsuch? same with the 6 year delay for Obama’s fed appointment and instead selected a republican as the new fed judge today.
love it or leave it? btw, member u asked for PROOF that trump lies?
http://thehill.com/policy/finance/387184-good-economic-vibes-fail-to-make-gop-tax-law-popular
this too. trump lies like a rug. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/05/keep-america-great-trump-slogan-elkhart-rally/560183/
leslie
Trump is a liar, a well documented liar, that shouldn’t even be up to debate.
I just read an interesting comment from Alan Alda of M*A*S*H fame that should apply to Trump supporters:
“The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the easiest person to fool”. – Richard Feynmyn
From the congressional record on those cluster bomblets that look like toys. They are made in Russia, not Iran. https://books.google.es/books?id=f5bZzb0F8GwC&pg=PA21009&lpg=PA21009&dq=russian+bomblets+that+look+the+childrens+toys+in+afghanistan&source=bl&ots=4DA_GEeSwr&sig=mpvokT6QfJcoSYwxryIApIm7O98&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiz8bS3xf_aAhUGthQKHdL6ALsQ6AEIUDAK#v=onepage&q=russian%20bomblets%20that%20look%20the%20childrens%20toys%20in%20afghanistan&f=false
The United States, China and Russia all have these in our arsenals for use as we deem necessary. Israel also uses these bombs that look like toys. Here is a main newspaper in Israel reporting on their use in Lebanon. https://www.haaretz.com/1.4865651
The United States government, under President George W. Bush, declared what you are saying is foolishness on Iran’s use of IED’s in Iraq.
If you are so pro tearing up the agreement so we can have regime change, and you declare a fear for these, why would you support a ground war in Iran? Clearly in war, it is not getting into one to take ground, it is holding that ground and getting out of it. America proved that an insurgency will defeat a foreign power. Vietnam proved that as well. Africa has now made it to the point that American troops stay in a command center and rarely venture out. They take their marching orders from a Colonel in Germany.
After the treachery of Saudi Arabia in 9/11, Iran worked with the Americans and the Northern Alliance in Afghanistan. Iran had been bloodied and almost went to war against Afghanistan just before the Saudi attack in America. At one time, the world was completely behind our actions, but then, people like John Bolton and the rest of the rogues gallery pulled the strings for regime change and the so called Axis of Evil that put us where we are today. http://edition.cnn.com/WORLD/meast/9809/15/iran.afghan.tensions.02/index.html
Iran viewed the United States after the attack as “My enemy’s enemy is my friend”.
Middle East Policy Council http://www.mepc.org/us-iran-engagement-through-afghanistan
“Following the 9/11 attacks, Iran assisted the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan and participated in international efforts to establish a new Afghan government. A senior Iranian diplomat describes the decision making in Iran immediately after the 9/11 attacks: “[W]e consciously decided not to qualify our cooperation on Afghanistan or make it contingent upon a change in U.S. policy, believing, erroneously, that the impact would be of such magnitude that it would automatically have altered the nature of Iran-U.S. relations.”9 U.S.-Iran cooperation was unprecedented, but in the years that followed, the George W. Bush administration chose not to continue substantive diplomatic dialogue with Tehran on Afghanistan unless Iran changed its behavior toward nuclear development.10 Perhaps in 2002, the United States could afford to ignore Iran’s interests in Afghanistan. Eight years later, however, as the first decade of the twenty-first century closes, the situation has changed. There are indications that rogue elements within the Iranian government, presumably the Revolutionary Guard Corps, are providing support to the Taliban in response to perceived threats from the United States.11A U.S. strategy that fails to incorporate Iran’s constructive role in Afghanistan, while weakening its destructive role, may not succeed and could further jeopardize future relations. Although engaging Iran will not be easy, Afghanistan provides an opportunity for both countries to achieve some practical strategic objectives independent of other more entrenched foreign-policy disputes.” But, alas, no one wants real peace when there are billions to be made in illegal activity and money laundering.
Breaking our word with the world regarding Iran in keeping trump’s word to Russia to make Russia Great Again. From NPR:
“FBI Assistant Special Agent in Charge Lucia Ziobro wrote an unusual column in the Boston Business Journal in April of 2014 to warn that a foundation controlled by Russian energy baron Viktor Vekselberg might be part of a Moscow spying campaign that sought to siphon up American science and technology.
“The foundation may be a means for the Russian government to access our nation’s sensitive or classified research, development facilities and dual-use technologies with military and commercial applications,” Ziobro wrote. “This analysis is supported by reports coming out of Russia itself.” https://www.npr.org/2018/05/11/610381368/fbi-warned-of-russian-intelligence-links-to-oligarch-in-cohen-payment-allegation
Good news for Putin! Now he won’t have to go through those silly spy games to get American secrets! Putin has already put in down payments to the republican party and its leaders. He can simply shop his needs like he is in a Convenient Store. Now, anyone can see the connections both today and when trump first became interested in being the Manchurian Candidate.
“Breaking our word with the world regarding Iran” is wasn’t “our” word. Our word requires the consent of Congress. Article II, Section 2 of the Constitution gives the President the power “to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur.”
Obama illegally signed the agreement without the consent of Congress. He’s a “Constitutional Scholar” remember? He knew better but he signed it anyway.
There really is no arguing this. The Constitution is so clear anyone with a third grade education can understand the words “to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur.” Those words mean what they say. Obama didn’t follow the plain words of the Constitution yet he did it anyway. The Constitution forms the basis for laws of our Nation and Obama is a trained barrister yet he did this anyway in violation of the Constitution. Article VI, Clause 3 required Obama “be bound by oath or affirmation, to support this Constitution.” Obama the “Constitutional Scholar” did take that oath. He took it twice before he signed this illegal document protecting a sworn enemy of our home. Obama entered into an agreement with a terrorist government that has sworn to destroy our home. Why would a president, a constitutional scholar, who took his oath to follow the very laws he taught others that they must follow sign an illegal document and still give the terrorist $1.7 billion? Obama knew he was breaking the law of the land, he knew Iran sworn to destroy us and he entered an agreement with the terrorist that are killing our military members anyway. . .I mean, I guess I could understand it if he really wasn’t an American. Hmmmm. . .
Our word is the word we sat at a negotiating table with our allies. That would include the UK. and the EU along with Russia and China to get the agreement in place. The money you speak of was already Iranian money that we had kept from some earlier deals that feel through during the Shah of Iran’s days. We didn’t give them anything but their money back.
Monday is coming soon and the EU, UK and Iran will meet to discuss the future. In the meantime, oil prices continue to rise and Make Russia Great Again is the new go to slogan for Putin. The good news for Putin is that between Russia and Iran, they sit on the biggest oil reserves in the world, and that is a big old world out there. Let’s see how you like $4 buck a gallon petrol, just like in the old days.
Executive orders are not in the Constitution either, but they are used. Any 2nd grader knows this. Oh, here is some cold water “Executive agreement, an agreement between the United States and a foreign government that is less formal than a treaty and is not subject to the constitutional requirement for ratification by two-thirds of the U.S. Senate.” How’d that feel?
(Banter ≠ buffonery. Banter ≠ bullying. Banter ≠ B.S. Banter ≠ barroom brawling.)
How can people be so stupid? Old sarg: executive agreements are not “illegal.” They have a lengthy history in the US. While some agreements may rise to the level of a treaty, not all do. NUANCE IS NOT YOUR ENEMY
As posted much earlier in this thread- Obama couldn’t even get a Democrat Senate to ratify it
Back in 2015, there were loud calls — not least from senators — for President Barack Obama to ask the Senate to ratify the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) with Iran, calling it a “treaty.” Instead, he chose to enter into an executive agreement, which has become something of a trend: Treaties are a tiny fraction of international agreements overall. A 2007 study by political scientists Kiki Caruson and Victoria Farrar-Myers found that between 1977 and 1996 presidents negotiated nearly 4,000 executive agreements — but only 300 treaties
Obama never asked for ratification. The Troll lied again.
Who benefits financially from Trump’s violating the Iran nuclear deal.
Obviously U.S. and U.K. and other European companies will no longer do business with Iran so that leaves guess who?
Trump has just handed Putin another cash windfall.
Roger, you may be incorrect on this. There is a huge willingness by the EU and its partners to keep up the trade with Iran. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/11/europe-prepares-countermeasures-against-us-iran-sanctions
We have no more arrows in the quiver, time to roll up the rugs and move on from where we used to be. Hegemony was once our strongest suit, now we have to depend on Dennis Rodman to make policy.
If Drumpfnutz reimposes pre-nuke deal sanctions, European countries will lose much business.
Loser: Europe (from Vox) https://www.vox.com/world/2018/5/8/17329052/iran-nuclear-deal-trump-winners-losers
Since the relaxation of international Iran sanctions, European companies have scrambled to get into the Iranian market. The German car company Daimler hoped to sell roughly 40,000 cars a year to Iranians; Saipem, an Italian oil and gas company, signed an agreement that could be worth as much as $5 billion.
Trump’s announcement puts all of that in jeopardy. He explicitly announced today that he would impose a major portion of the pre-deal sanctions regime — something called “secondary sanctions” targeting Iran’s oil sector. Secondary sanctions don’t punish Iran directly, instead targeting international banks and companies that do business with Iran’s oil sector.
Hence why they’re “secondary”: Instead of hitting the primary target, Iran, they cut off access to US markets for third parties that want to work with Iran. In theory, they force foreign countries into a choice between doing business with Iran and the United States. Since America is the world’s largest economy, it’s not exactly a hard choice. Depending on how strictly the Trump administration ends up implementing these sanctions, it could do serious damage to the budding economic relationships between European countries and Iran.
Roger. Porter, Jerry and Owen- thanks for the kind words yesterday, on my behalf.
I made a factual error and got called on it by Old Soapy. Nice to know there are good people on here when times get rough.
Easy to make an error for anyone, including those in opposition. Sometimes in the heat of the discussion, things get overlooked. As for me, I am an old guy that thinks of legacy and what we are leaving for others. The kind of mess America has now found itself on this Iranian agreement as well as the trade shams we seem to think everyone will just up and take, are really ignorance showing.
“How far can Trump get by shouting and goading, by talking about how much the United States is “owed” by NATO or the Arab world? How far can he get without investing in allies, in diplomacy, in military engagement? Maybe quite far. That moment of American hegemony really was impressive, and there are many places where the aura has yet to fade. It will take quite a bit of time for Europeans, not to mention Russians and Chinese, to find their way around U.S. sanctions on Iran, to invent alternative ways to invest, to create new sources of credit outside the existing international banking system. It will take time before the rearmed nations of the Middle East realize that there is no reason, any longer, to consult the U.S. government before going to war. It will take time before U.S. economic policy becomes so erratic that others decide not to preserve the dollar as the reserve currency, or not to reserve a space for Americans at the top table.”
If the Euro or Yuan becomes the reserve currency traded to avoid trump, we all shall see some real economic issues in America. Others are now openly speaking of this, so it should not come as a surprise to know that there will be no further sanctions against Iran.
126 comments and I still haven’t seen evidence supporting Jason’s claims that Obama’s statement contained “lies” as was asked for 123 comments ago.
One might think Jason isn’t interested in supporting his statements with factual evidence and instead is merely looking to incite and argue. I believe there is a word for that type of person.
Regardless, since Trump the self-proclaimed dealmaker thinks he can do better, I guess we can just watch and see what he comes up with. I will go on record as saying he will accomplish nothing, and Iran will resume their nuclear weapons program within a year which only serves to further destabilize the Middle East. Then again that is the true goal isn’t it? There is a lot of profit to be made when the US goes to war.
Craig,
The agreement wasn’t signed by Iran. That means there is no binding agreement.
If there was no agreement because Iran didn’t sign it, why did Trump go through great pains to violate it?
Jason I’ve heard this talking point several times from those attempting to justify Trump’s withdrawal, but the truth is much more complex. Bottom line, it wasn’t a treaty – it was an agreement backed up by a UN Security Council resolution which means the agreement didn’t need to be “signed”.
I’d suggest reviewing this to gain a better understanding: https://www.truthorfiction.com/iran-nuclear-deal-isnt-legally-binding/
So I ask again – where are the claimed Obama “lies” you’re referencing in your initial comment?
“If there was no agreement because Iran didn’t sign it, why did Trump go through great pains to violate it?” that made no sense.
It makes perfect sense if you applied an ounce of logic.
Jason says the agreement is basically invalid because Iran never signed it, however Trump undid the agreement. Why would Trump have to undo an agreement that Jason implies was invalid since Iran didn’t sign it.
It was an promise – not a treaty. Us said it would do things IF Iran did things. Iran only needed to comply with the terms (to get the reward) – not sign it.
The real problem is that Iran DID comply with the US demands, and as such were complying with what the US (and its allies) asked of Iran. Then while in compliance, the US broke its word and reinstated sanctions – not because Iran did not comply, but because the President said he would during the campaign. The REAL message here to the international community is that the US’s word to do something means NOTHING. We can quibble about the level of pinky-promise involved, but it comes down to trust and the President just broke that international trust to look tough to his base.
I have not read the book, but I presume there is a chapter in “The Art of the Deal” about follow through and holding up your end of a deal?
From NBC News-
Tehran acceded to a 10-year restriction on nuclear production, agreed to shut down thousands of centrifuges and exported almost all of its bomb-making material. Under the agreement, Iran agreed that “under no circumstances will Iran ever seek, develop or acquire any nuclear weapons.”
Iran also allowed a strict monitoring regime, permitting international inspectors to gain access to sites suspected of nuclear weapons-related activities.
The agreement did allow for a commercial nuclear program “for exclusively peaceful purposes.”
Who signed it?
Iran signed the agreement with the five permanent members of the U.N. Security Council — the U.S., Russia, France, China and the United Kingdom — as well as Germany and the European Union.
My youngest fought hard and tough against this guy and bought back his posters from his days in Mosul and Baghdad. For Americans to beat him militarily, we did not, we did spent a few hundred million to get him and his Sadr Brigade to stand down. Well, he is back and looks to be the new premier of Iraq.
“With over half the votes counted, powerful Shia leader Muqtada al-Sadr has emerged as the leading contender in Iraq’s parliamentary elections, a remarkable comeback after being sidelined for years by Iranian-backed rivals.”
For anyone who might remember not so long ago, it was Shia fighters that finally retook Mosul and put ISIL on the run. I hope the EU China and Russia have much success with Iran and manage to keep the deal. These sandbox wars are brutal for everyone.
O,
It was not the US, it was the Obama Executive Administration that promised things.
Since it wasn’t a Treaty, a new Executive Administration can rescind a promise.
Craig,
It was not backed up by a UN Security Council resolution.
From your link:
But the Council on Foreign relations notes that neither JCPOA and UNSCR “does not obligate the United States to do so as a matter of international law.” That means the United States is not legally bound to lift sanctions on Iran, even if Iran upholds its end of the deal. For that reason, it wasn’t necessary for Iran to sign the deal.
https://www.truthorfiction.com/iran-nuclear-deal-isnt-legally-binding/
My bad, it’s not even an Executive agreement
https://www.nationalreview.com/2015/11/state-department-iran-deal-not-legally-binding-signed/
MFI,
I’m going to believe the letter from the Obama Administration over NBC.
From Yale edu- What type of agreement is it domestically?
Traditionally, there have been three kinds of agreements concluded under U.S. law: 1) Article II treaties (signed by the president with the advice and consent of the Senate); 2) sole executive agreements (concluded by the president acting solely and within his independent constitutional authority and without any input from Congress); and 3) congressional-executive agreements (which involve a Congressional statute, passed either before or after an agreement has been made, which grants the President authority to conclude the). On occasion, the executive has also entered into non-binding political agreements.[1]
Although the Deal may have begun as a series of talks, the Iran Nuclear Agreement Review Act of 2015 (“Review Act”) re-framed what type of agreement the Iran Deal is. What was originally intended to be a way to curb the President’s power may have actually been the very thing that transformed “what would have been a constitutionally dubious exercise of unilateral executive authority (a ‘sole executive agreement’) into a constitutionally unimpeachable exercise of joint legislative and executive power (a ‘congressional-executive agreement’).” It was ultimately this Review Act that gave President Obama the authority to conclude a “legally binding nuclear agreement, [and] not just an informal political pact.” Along with the “constitutional text, democratic principles, and entrenched practice,” the Review Act adopted in May 2015 supports the binding character of the Agreement and “grants the Administration authority to negotiate and implement binding legal commitments with Iran.”
What type of agreement is it internationally?
Internationally, the Iran Deal is a treaty. The distinction that exists under domestic U.S. law regarding the type of agreement the Iran Deal may or may not be isn’t replicated on the international level. The Vienna Convention established the definition of a treaty without prejudice to differing uses of the term ‘‘treaty’’ in the domestic laws of various states. Article 2, Section 1(a) of the Vienna Convention defines a treaty as “an international agreement concluded between states in written form and governed by international law, whether embodied in a single instrument or in two or more related instruments and whatever its particular designation.” Treaties have been used consistently throughout the twentieth century, to establish durable relationships and aid in international governance. They consistently serve “as an intrinsic part of our global order and have been considered legally binding.”[2] International agreements are transformed from a piece of paper, or most likely a sum of papers, meetings, phone calls, and other communications, into a binding law is the formal agreement made by countries through an act of consent.[3] The Iran Deal has all the characteristics of an international treaty: written document, buy-in from a number of states, and firm commitments. As such, under international law, the Agreement is presumptively legally bind
The deal is legal and binding in America and internationally it is a treaty.
Jason, I will take Yale’s word over wingnut National Review everyday and a million times on any day of the week that ends in day.
One last thing, Jason, why did Drumpf hire Israeli spooks to undermine America’s negotiators of this pact? Gee, that sure sounds like another crime to be charged against the crookedest slimeball ever to disgfrace the office of Potus.
Mr. Jason wins, despite the facts, do to the Iowegian’s rudeness. grudznick has declared.
grudz’s you are a disappointment.
Jason hasn’t won anything.
Don’t be like Jason, grudz, I’ll think less of you.
Mr. C, I cannot abide out-of-staters who are intentionally rude. You know, from my prolific breakfasting here in South Dakota, that I am a gentleman if not a scholar, and that I insist on proper decorum and politeness. I feel bad and will sleep restlessly if this makes you follow through on your threat to think less of me, but even if I disagree with Mr. Jason’s substance and agree with Mr. mike, who is from Iowa, on the substance, I cannot abide the rudeness.
grudznick already ruled. Mr. C’s appeal is denied. Jason wins by default because of Mr. mike’s Iowa rudeness. Those are the rules.
grudz
What you call out-of-staters are actually friends of South Dakota and are taxpaying citizens of the state because they own land in the state.
Do you know for fact that Jason is a resident of South Dakota? He could easily be one of those interlopers you so despise.
Obviously you have not read all of Jason’s post on Cory’s Dakota Free Press, if you had you would know how rude and cruel Jason can be. He has consistently called me uneducated, unintelligent, stupid, dumb and worse.
Mr. C overrules grudz on this one since grudz obviously didn’t do his homework.
My friend from iowa wins this one hands down.
Grudzie … Jason and all the characters he/she portrays live in Minnesota.
Jason, you need to accept this: Obama was the President of the US, and as such spoke for the US in all matters. The office means something.
Jason considering you continue to fail to define much less offer support for any of the “lies” contained in Obama’s response even after having been asked multiple times, I’ll accept that as evidence that you aren’t able to support your claims and you are, in effect, simply trolling.
You have now shifted to semantics on what is an agreement vs. a treaty, vs. a letter, vs. a resolution but none of that changes the fact that it existed – and Trump announced he would be withdrawing “from the Iran nuclear deal” with no firm plan or proposal to replace it. That makes the world less safe – not more. That shows a lack of planning and forethought – which is rather odd from a man who claims he is such a great deal maker.
I find it rather sad that people rush to support Trump’s action when it is clear there is no real logic behind it. This is pure partisan cheerleading with no concern over the actual issue of Iran having a nuclear weapons development program. It isn’t really about Iran – it is about “winning”, although how doing nothing equates to a win only makes sense in the mind of the ignorant.
Craig: Obama paid the enemy of our Nation to publically declare they would abide by the “agreement”. Iran did not sign the agreement. Iran did not stop their work to build a bomb, Iran c9ontinued to kill US soldiers. Obama declared the agreement would stop Iran from building a bomb. Anyone with a 5th grade understanding of the world knew the whole “agreement” was a sham. It doesn’t require Jason, Roger, Porter or anyone else to provide you links and prove it to you. You have the skills to google, read, digest and understand. You are arguing for the sake of arguing.
Sorry OldSarg that isn’t how it works. Jason made a claim that Obama’s response contained lies. It is his duty to provide evidence in support of that claim.
Likewise you are making numerous claims regarding Iran continuing to build nuclear weapons or killing US soldiers. You need to provide evidence of those claims – the onus is on the person making the claim.
All of what Jason and his lump are saying has been disproved several posts back. I know, because I posted them. These guys both have the memory issues or ADHD, maybe both. Novartis, trump and Cohen’s go to drug briber, can help. They make Ritalin so they should be able to get a discount as trumpers.
Craig,
Obama wrote:
The prohibition on Iran ever obtaining a nuclear weapon is permanent.
it’s a lie because it’s not permanent. Iran never signed the deal.
The missle Haley stood by proves Obama lied again about the unsigned deal working.
From the ChicagoTribune, it says in black andOn Monday afternoon, President donald Trump declared via Twitter that his decision on the Iran deal will come Tuesday.
The 2015 accord – signed by the United States, the U.K., France, Germany, Russia, China and Iran — lifts economic sanctions against Iran. In exchange, Tehran gave up its ability to produce enriched uranium, which could be used in a nuclear weapon. The president is famously opposed, calling it “insane” and one of the worst deals ever signed. On the campaign trail, he promised to scrap it immediately.
Iran signed the damn thing!!!!
Jason has come full circle.
Here is what US officials say about Haley’s alleged smoking missile-
US officials acknowledged they cannot definitively prove when the weapons were given to militants, and in some cases, they can’t verify who made them or how they were used, but Haley remained confident that Iran was to blame
Little Haley whaley, the missile expert with zero experience claims to be an ex-spurt in Iranian missile couture.
Iran also signed the non-proliferation treaty to not build nukes.
Mike,
Obama said Iran didn’t sign it.
Are you unable to read the State Department letter I linked to?
mfi
Did you see a news article earlier today about the Russian super weapon they’ll have ready for war by 2020.
I tried to find it, but had no success.
Drumpf is the loon that wants to ramp up making more nukes in violation of any number of treaties.
The sooner he is permanently shut out of the WH the safer the world will be.
mfi
Since Iran didn’t sign the nuclear deal that has been deemed illegal, why did Trump have to undo it?
Wouldn’t all Trump would have to say is that the U.S. doesn’t recognize the nuclear deal because it is illegal and can’t be enforced?
The only thing he did was he said we are not following the deal anymore. I don’t know if he memorialized it in an executive order or not.
MFI,
Frifield wrote the letter in response to a letter Pompeo sent Secretary of State John Kerry,in which he observed that the deal the president had submitted to Congress was unsigned and wondered if the administration had given lawmakers the final agreement. Frifield’s response emphasizes that Congress did receive the final version of the deal.
I am guessing that Mike is thinking Mohammad Javad Zarif was Iran’s President. He wasn’t so his signature in Geneva meant nothing. Hassan Rouhani is the President and he never signed it.
Everything Obama did is either in the trash bin of history or on its way. You are all defending a loser who made a loser of a deal. It’s over and your side lost. Done. Fini. Over. You all backed a constitutional scholar who lied over and over to the people, committed acts in violation to his oath and left nothing but hate in his wake. Look at all of you. You are all obsessed with hatred. It is burning holes in your hearts. You can’t bring him back and you can’t defend what no longer exists. c’est la vie.
Trump is your president and there is nothing you can do about it. It is time for you all to move on.
Roger, everything I have seen about Russia’s secret weapons are at least one and sometimes 2-3 years old.
Old Seismic is full of it tonight. OldStogey, how does it feel to be separated from reality by a gazillion miles?
Next Progressive Potus will wipe Drumpf’s name off the records except for worst Potus ever and biggest, lying crook ever to embarass America. Enjoy it while you got it.
Drumpf does not represent me. Never will.
As the Trumptards celebrate a fake victory by Trump undoing the nuclear deal, they remain as dunce as Trump.
With every action or inaction of this corrupt president there are consequences, Trump does not have a Plan B, and even if he did have one, would Iran be willing to deal with such a deceptive liar? I think not, they’ll likely double down on the U.S.
As of this hour it appears Kim Jung Un is ready to pull the rug out from Trump.
It’s funny you bring up corrupt Presidents.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/obamacenter/ct-met-obama-center-lawsuit-20180514-story.html
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/politics/ct-met-rahm-emanuel-obama-library-lawsuit-20180515-story.html
Conservatives mistakenly believe that attacking Hillary and President Obama will magically mitigate the multitude of potential charges against Trump.
When it comes to a possible impeachment trial for Trump, the “but Hillary”, “but President Trump”, “but the Democrats”, isn’t going to work as a defense for Trump. It ain’t gonna happen.
Jason: “it’s a lie because it’s not permanent. Iran never signed the deal.”
They didn’t need to sign “the deal” and nobody claims they needed to since it was a plan of action and not a formal treaty of any sort. As stated before there was a UN Security Council Resolution endorsing the JCPOA which was unanimously adopted.
Note that within the resolution it states “The full implementation of this JCPOA will ensure the exclusively peaceful nature of Iran’s nuclear programme.”
Thus if everyone followed the rules established within the JCPOA, Iran would never have nuclear weapons. Ever. Please review page 13, item 16 of the JCPOA where it states:
“Iran will not engage in activities, including at the R&D level, that could contribute to
the development of a nuclear explosive device, including uranium or plutonium
metallurgy activities”.
http://www.un.org/en/ga/search/view_doc.asp?symbol=S/RES/2231(2015)
Also check out section T on page 33 which provides even further detail on other activities which are banned due to them being used to possibly lead to development of a nuclear weapon. Note there are no expiration dates on these items. This means if all parties followed the agreement as written, Iran would never be able to manufacture nuclear weapons.
So the facts show your statements to be incorrect and it appears you are being dishonest. You cannot support your claims that Obama was lying with any supportable evidence. On the other hand I’ve provided you with multiple sources detailing what is in the actual plan of action and the UN resolution… although much like Trump, I doubt you’ll ever bother to read them.
OS: “Everything Obama did is either in the trash bin of history or on its way.”
Well I suppose technically Osama Bin Laden is in the trash bin since he was terminated under President Obama’s leadership. So you might be partially accurate there.
However the economy Obama created seems to have done well (although perhaps there is some truth to that being on the way out too since Trump doesn’t seem to have any real economic policy aside from cutting taxes for the rich while increasing spending). The auto companies Obama saved are thriving. The GDP numbers and low unemployment numbers seem to be holding thus far so that seems to have worked. Technically Obamacare is still operating as well since Trump failed multiple times to kill it off.
Granted there are many things Obama has done which Trump seems to be undoing. The Iran nuclear deal is one example which makes the world less safe than it was previously. Trump has also increased government spending to where we are projected to have anywhere from $800B to $1T in new debt this year alone which is a reverse from the downward trend we had been experiencing under Obama’s leadership. Trump also backed out of the France accords which tarnished the reputation of the US and he has taken steps to reverse some of the financial reforms enacted under Obama such as those in Dodd-Frank… so that should end well. Trump even went so far as to remove some lands from our Federal Parks and has backed away from investigating and pursuing fraudulent for-profit education institutions which have harmed countless students. So maybe reversing everything isn’t such a great thing after all.
Trump is doing a bang-up job of making our country worse, and his only agenda seems to focus upon doing the opposite of what Obama has done. That is probably why Trump will end up being charged with multiple crimes and will either resign or be impeached and removed from office…. because that is the opposite of Obama!
BTW – I noticed you still haven’t provided any support for your wild claims. Why am I not surprised?
The Muslim Brotherhood’s in Saudi Arabia are now involved. Our boy trump wants him some Sharia and Tapioca/Jackley and NOem are glad to oblige, following the lead of our two sheikh senators.
“Trump advisers met with an emissary for two Gulf nations during the campaign, suggesting countries beyond Russia may have offered help
Saturday, May 19, 2018 12:51 PM EST
Three months before the 2016 election, a small group gathered at Trump Tower to meet with Donald Trump Jr., the president’s eldest son. One was an Israeli specialist in social media manipulation. Another was an emissary for two wealthy Arab princes. The third was a Republican donor with a controversial past in the Middle East as a private security contractor.
The meeting was convened primarily to offer help to the Trump team, and it forged relationships between the men and Trump insiders that would develop over the coming months, according to several people with knowledge of their encounters.” New York Times
Funny how trump does not want Muslims in this country…unless they bribe his fat arse. Funny also that our congress critters feel the same way…until they get their palms greased. A million will get you 2 billion of corrupted dollars in trump world, we are the prostitute and we are paying for the room and the bed. Think of that when you see republicans smiling, now you know.
The FBI has reported that as many as 22 Russian organizations have contributed to the NRA and that they funneled at least $30 million to the Trump campaign and possibly as much as $170 million to republican candidates.
Apparently the NRA has confirmed this report.
North Korea made us chicken out of the war games with our “allies” Somehow, I think they are loosing their confidence in America, thanks republicans, you are nailing it with your national security as your punchline. https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/18/us-cancels-south-korea-military-exercise-amid-north-korea-threats-report.html
Think of this Red Wave, we are getting threatened by Kim in North Korea. Little Kim the rocket man is threatening us and we are cowering to that threat. Make America Great Again? surely you jest. Hey, I know, let’s have us a parade with soldiers and stuff. That’ll convince little Kim the rocket man, that we are serious. Wonder where Rounds, Thune and NOem will be seated for the festivities when the march begins? How many soldiers will be there? How many Cossacks will saddle up and ride with Putin down the streets of Washington?
Ruh oh, Iran now says it will trade only in Euros. https://oilprice.com/Geopolitics/Europe/EU-Could-Switch-To-Euros-In-Oil-Trade-With-Iran.html Pompeo is running scared now too with more threats coming regarding the world’s biggest sanctions? What??
a word for Jason: hipster-fascist. ” Jason’s posts on Cory’s Dakota Free Press, if you had you would know how rude and cruel Jason can be.” hipster-fascists like to tease us with recognizable, sexualized, and partly-obscured Nazi symbology. jtol