During the House GOP’s closed caucus Friday, purportedly problem-solving, chaos-hating moderate Dusty Johnson gave the nominating speech for radical right-wing insurrectionist Jim Jordan to be Speaker of the House. Johnson, who said government shutdowns are “stupid“, endorsed Jordan, who founded the Freedom Caucus that brought us to the brink of a government shutdown last month and who just last week threatened another government shutdown.
Johnson issued this self-contradictory and blinkered endorsement for a rankly partisan reason:
“I would tell you, Jim Jordan has the best chance to unify this conference of any other leader we’ve got.”
Johnson delivered the nomination speech for Jordan on Friday.
“Jim Jordan is gonna give us the best opportunity to get things done during the 118th Congress. This is an unruly bunch,” Johnson said [Ashley Murray, Jennifer Shutt, and Samantha Dietel, “Jordan Latest Speaker Nominee After SD’s Johnson Delivers Nominating Speech,” South Dakota Searchlight, 2023.10.13].
Yeah, never mind any bipartisan boilerplate Johnson might wish to bolt onto his vaunted Problem Solvers Caucus; Johnson ignores the prospect of working with Democrats to nominate an acceptable bipartisan speaker and instead thinks the only objective of a speaker is to unify his party’s slim and unruly majority. Johnson ignores the warning of the more consistently sensible Republican Liz Cheney that a Jordan Speakership would imperil both the Constitution and the Republican majority.
With Israel and Gaza on fire (and the rest of the world not far behind), the House is waiting until Tuesday to vote on electing a new Speaker, giving coup-plotter Jordan and quisling Johnson time to make phone calls to restore party unity and get the House back to work… not that Jordan and his Freedom Caucus intend to do any real work.
He has nothing to lose. Howdy Doody Dusty pandering to the Freedom Caucus is hardly unsurprising since he’s all about the money he is raising on the Big Lie.
I told, ya, I told ya, I told ya that Opie Johnson will give that “main street” blather and then vote with the party extremist when he is told to fall in line, just like John Thune. Voting forGym is one thing, but to give the nominating speech is just a step beyond “moderate.” I could tell you what I really think of Duster, but this is a family forum.
Gym Jordan likely threatened Johnson by assigning George Santos to be Johnson’s shower mate.
There is no such thing as a moderate Republican. Party first. It is a cult, and with the addition of Trump as its leader, it is an absolute cult of personality. Jordan stands for all the sideshow distractions that impede the ability to govern; Dusty has empowered that. If Dusty has the juice to give the nomination speech, he has the juice to undermine the success of that nomination.
… and what’s with all the TV ads for our dusty??
Nick Tilsen for US House!
O, there are moderate Republicans. The problem with moderates in both parties is they have a problem standing up for anything. That’s why they are moderates, They are infinitely flexible.
From Sports Illustrated, October 13, 2023, on the spectre of a Jim Jordan Speakership:
“In these polarized times, at least one issue does not cleave the public: sexual predation. Who among us is not repulsed by the idea of someone exploiting a power imbalance and engaging in nonconsensual sex?…
Yet in Jordan, (Greene and Stefanik) had a colleague who—at least according to more than a dozen athletes he once coached—was confronted with an actual groomer, a real-life sexual predator. And what did he do?
He not only maintained that he was unaware of Strauss’s wrongdoings while an OSU wrestling coach, but he went on the offense. “What bothers me the most, is the guys that are saying this, I know they know the truth. I know they do.”
He also spoke ill of specific survivors and questioned the legitimacy of their motivations. DiSabato, he noted, “[is] out to get Ohio State. He has a vendetta against our family … he‘s got all kinds of lawsuits against him.” Yetts, Jordan told the national TV audience, “spent 18 months in prison for fraud.”
The interview enraged many OSU wrestlers. Even if both assertions against DiSabato and Yetts were true, Jordan never made clear how it disqualified allegations of sexual assault when they were in their teens and early 20s. Says one former wrestler: “If Jim wanted to lie and said he never knew [about Strauss], that was one thing. For him to throw two brothers under the bus like that, that was low.”
Says DiSabato: “Think about it. If you’re Jim, even if you didn’t know, wouldn’t you then reach out? Sorry I missed it. Are you O.K.? How can I support you? There was none of that. We were the guys he coached. It was flat betrayal.”
And this is who they want for Speaker of the House…
MAGA GOP – 100% against grooming and sexual abuse… until they’re not.
https://www.si.com/college/2023/10/13/jim-jordan-speaker-candidacy-roils-osu-wrestling-community?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&fbclid=IwAR1KmWdtpj4jErCD7tCh8Yd575d2QFTuAHCBcY1nvyHTbfTvn_OhVs47NoE
I consider myself a moderate republican. Not by South Dakota standards, but nationally. I left the party when Trump won the nom and am currently registered independent. There are more like me. I’m too old to be THAT flexible.
Did anyone else catch the Dusty J. interview where he referred to changing House leadership like changing drivers of the clown car? To show how absolutely flexible Dusty is, he now supports the biggest clown of all to drive the car. Knew we could count on you, Dusty!
Donald, I disagree when you say moderates in both parties have a problem standing for anything. Democrats will eat their own on ideological grounds. Trump is elected in 2016 in part because Clinton was not ideologically pure enough for some Democrats on some issues. Maybe not the moderates of the party, but issues pull more weight than personalities or even party loyalty for Democrats. If moderates are the majority of any party (and a bell curve/statistical analysis should show us that), the GOP moderates have not only allowed the GOP to be taken over by radicals, they vote en mass to elevate thee leaders — all the while branding the GOP as the moderate party and Democrats as the radicals.
In always-vote-Republican SD, our leaders all have to move to the right, away from the moderate, to fend off attacks in the primary from the radical right. Being moderate is being a RINO and reason to be exiled. That is not moderate.
I know you people do not like to hear this, but we are in a middle of a Revolutionary Period, that in my opinion, began during, or slightly after the Second George W. Bush Term of 2005-2009 in between the Patriot Act and Affordable Care passage. This Tea Party led Patriot movement came on the crusp pf the Neocon Movement (1998-2005) was losing its muster, and when Americans were beginning to rise up against the liberal-progressive idealogy of the previous decades. Say what you want, but people are fed up with the status quo of both the Republican and Democrat Platforms and the movement to Take Back America picked up steam during this period. Jim Jordan is the best choice for the American People if this “American Led Patriot” movement is to continue on. I believe, that we are in a midst of the Second Revolution (2007 to 2035) of which will put back in place our original Republic of 50 Independent, Sovereign, and Free People.
https://www.siouxfallscommunitychronicle.com/the-political-battle
Mike, what have I missed in Jordan’s work that has been anything other than enable Trump’s insurrection? The Freedom Caucus is the most right of all the GOP caucuses — elevating them is certainly not an argument for the existence of moderate Republicans.
I also disagree that Americans were rising up against the liberal-progressive ideology. Take the lightning rod of the ACA. “Obamacare” was amazingly unpopular when put to people under that moniker; however, when specific elements of the ACA were presented, it was quite popular. Even the wealth inequality that the GOP has supercharged is unpopular among Americans. Republicans have always done a superior job of marketing, especially to poison the well on issues that the vast population supports: gun control, affordable health care, wealth distribution (though fair taxation), all are “liberal-progressive” policies with yuge support among Americans. It’s only when they get reframed as partisan issues do the numbers waver.
Weather it be the Tea Party of MAGA, or Take Back America, the GOP oligarchs do a great job of pulling the fringe into the GOP tent to keep the fundamental wealth inequality of the US tipped in their favor through immoral tax policy. Peppering in some fundamental religious nationalism, racism, xenophobia . . . all push moderates out or make moderates active coconspirators. Liz Chaney, Lee Schoenbeck, those are the moderates who have said enough is enough and have tried to take back their party; both have been treated as pariahs because the GOP is NOT moderate.
Way to go Representative Johnson! Thank you! Jim Jordan is a man who exemplifies honor and truth.
Jordan is a co-conspirator with Trump in the plot to overthrow the Constitution of the United States. To support him for Speaker verges on treason.
Gym Jordan, Denny Hastert, why do republicans always like to put these kind of sexual predators as speaker of the house? Hastert went to the hoosegow, maybe we’ll get to see Gym go the same way. Cell buds with trump… Boy, the days of Pelosi are where laws were made without all of this drama.
Mike supports a sexual assault enabler. I am Jack’s complete lack of surprise.
O,
I respectively disagree, the NEOCON idealogy came out in the 90’s, and lasted up into the Bush administration, the Tea Party Movement began shortly after rising to the degree we see today…
What Arlo said. Jordan is disqualified under Section 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment, too; it’s just a matter of time.
It looks like the entire Earth hater caucus is folding.
https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2023/10/16/congress/jordan-gains-critical-traction-00121758
Honor and truth in working to overturn a fair election? I think not.
Trump’s ineligibility is self-executing under Minnesota law.
https://www.citizensforethics.org/legal-action/legal-complaints/crew-files-amicus-supporting-adjudication-of-section-3-of-the-14th-amendment-in-minnesota-supreme-court/
Mike, maybe I’m misreading, but I see Neocon as more focused on foreign policy; the Tea Party was more a response to taxation from domestic spending (their conservative nature didn’t pick as much at defense spending as it did domestic spending.
I see the disruption of the status quo as an objective of the ALP movement, but disruption only goes so far. What should our broken system be replaced with? What POLICY shift does ALP offer? Ignoring the Neoliberal influence in your analysis leaves the whole GOP (and much of the Democratic Party) has been coopted by the oligarchs for obscene wealth redistribution uncontested. It all seems like diversion so the rich can get richer and if there is collateral damage to immigrants, democracy, post-Puritan thinking, so be it. Again, none of your argument makes the case that GOP is moderate.
tea potty began in 2009.
decades of liberal progressive ideology? From 1953 we had 8 years of Ike, 2 years of JFK, 4 years of LBJ, 8 years of lying Nixon, year plus of Geraldo Ford, 4 years of great gentleman Carter, 8 years of Ronnie Raygun, 4 years of Hitler Weasel Bush, 8 great years from Clinton, 8 tumultuous years of dumbass dubya, 8 years of Obama the great repairing all the neocon damage and four years of constant lying grifter drumpf..
In the past 67 years, magats, neocons, tea pottiers have controlled the direction of the nation for 42 years.
Scalia and Bork’s constipatiional originalism started in 1983, not with the founding fathers.
A plank of the Southern Strategy seeking to assuage poor white people in the wake of the civil rights movement, the so-called ‘War on Drugs’ declared by the Nixon White House, then institutionalized by the Reagan and Clinton Administrations, redefined caste in the United States becoming a policy tool for the mass incarceration of non-white men.
In 1993, Trump henchman, Roger Stone constructed ad copy and radio scripts depicting the Mohawk Nation as violent criminals and drug dealers so Donald Trump could erect a casino. After losing a lawsuit to the Tribe Trump declared war on Native America then launched a biological weapon attack. Stone convinced George W. Bush to declare himself the winner of the tainted 2000 election despite Vice President Al Gore clearly ahead in the popular vote.
To this day reservation border towns are influenced by the Klan, John Birch Society, the TEA movement and now by the extreme white wing of the Republican Party. The Trump Organization was simply the latest obstacle to public education because it hates people of color and social equity, too. Add it all up: Rupert Murdoch, a a not-so-closeted racist himself, the Kochs, JBS, the Council for National Policy, the National Rifle Association, Fox News, Tucker Carlson, their attacks on public education and their fear of the “Great Replacement.”
Dusty Johnson has no choice: he either caves or gets crushed by the weight of his own caucus.
Jim Jordan?? Is their anyone dumber in the Caucus?? He’sm not only a co-conspirator criminal, he’s a joke.
Jim Jordan?? Is their anyone dumber in the Caucus?? He’s not only a co-conspirator criminal, he’s a joke.
Jim Jordan is the perfect guy to be speaker, you democrats are just mad people.
Bob Livingston, Clinton hater congress puke from Looseranna, accepted SOH job after Gingrich resigned, was forced to resign before he was sworn in because Larry Flynt of Hustler Magazine shame offered a million dollar reward for dirt on Livingston. Apparently there was plenty.
Here is a twofer… John G. Schmitz, Representative (Republican-California) — Leader of the ultra-conservative John Birch Society;[67] admitted to having a second family but refused to accept or support the two children he produced, who became wards of the state (1982). The story again gained international attention in 1997, when his daughter, Mary Kay Letourneau, was convicted of raping and getting impregnated twice by a 12-year-old boy whom she taught.[68
MKL served years in prison and later married her former victim and had more kids before she died. Apple didn’t fall far from the tree.
Good tight blogging, Mr. Zitterich.
Jim Jordan is the worst guy to be speaker, you magats are just insane animals.
Mike Z. hates Jews, too, grud.
Arlo is correct. The guy is incompetent. In the Republican Party, the Speakership has become the participation trophy they hand over to sex perverts or former special ed students. That’s why I hope Jim Jordumb is the next Republican Speaker. The Republican Party will be toast in two months with Jordumb at the helm.
Insaner, Mr. onion. Insaner!
Lar, stop being such a Herbert.
Mr. Pay, it always disappoints grudznick when you of all people descend into out-of-state name-calling. Even if, and I suspect it is true, Mr. Jordan is insaner than most, let us not call names. You don’t often see Mr. H slip to such levels, despite his rabid and radical opposition to many things.
Mr. Zitterich and even Ms. May and Ms. Mulally and Presidents Biden, Trump and Ford deserve to have their names used correctly.
A person who engaged in an effort to steal my vote gets nothing but contempt from me, Grudz. Someone who actively participated in an anti-American coup attempt deserves zero respect. It’s Jordumb. That’s his name.
Saw 38 reolies and figured Mike Z was involved. Grudz even got fired up! Awesome! Cory, you sure he’s not your alter ego?
How can it be so difficult for Dusty and other Republicans to stand up for this county and get rid of Trump and his cult members?
Tiny Johnson and his pal, Gym Jordan are existential threats to the free world and rule of law. Johnson ought to understand but is a willfully blind follower. Jordan is a distructionist.
“Last week, Representative Jim Jordan (R-OH) called for shutting down the government in November unless Democrats agree to cutting all spending for processing or releasing into the country any new migrants. He says the demand is “non-negotiable.” But U.S. and international law require the U.S. to process asylum requests, even if a migrant arrives in between legal points of entry.
Former senior Department of Homeland Security lawyer Tom Jawetz told Greg Sargent of the Washington Post that Jordan’s plan “would be both illegal and a practical impossibility.” Administration officials “are legally obligated to process people for asylum on request,” he said. “It’s not a choice.”
But therein lies the heart of today’s Republican Party: its extremist leaders no longer believe that rules apply to them. Jordan, a staunch ally of Trump, was key to the former president’s efforts to steal the 2020 presidential election. He is now gathering votes for a bid to become the speaker of the House of Representatives after the MAGA extremists threw former House speaker Kevin McCarthy out.
In 2017, former Republican House speaker John Boehner told journalist Tim Alberta: “Jordan was a terrorist as a legislator going back to his days in the Ohio House and Senate…. A terrorist. A legislative terrorist.” In 2021, he clarified: “I just never saw a guy who spent more time tearing things apart—never building anything, never putting anything together.”
We used to be able to assume that Americans did, in fact, play by the rules, accepting the principle of the rule of law. That principle is now openly challenged here in the U.S.” – Heather Cox Richardson, Letters from an American, October 16, 2023
There is little to no daylight between Russia, Hamas, and Gym Jordan as they flaunt to undermine the global rule of law to replace those with anarchy. Americans once embraced the rule of law and played by the rules – now its lustily challenged by flamethrowers, a loud minority, and flocks of go-along-to get-along seagulls like Johnson.
Jim Jordan is the best thing to happen to the Democratic Party since George W. Even better because Republicans don’t know why.
Dusty Johnson has become a pervert in my eyes now. Anyone who supports them joins them.
A future governorship in South Dakota is a helluva drug. More than likely, Dusty has been ‘promised’ some things to help him take the Snow Queen’s mantel in the future.
Nary a few weeks ago, Dusty gave an interview talking about Jan 6th. How angry he was that day. How awful that day was. How he and his staff were breaking office furniture to turn them into weapons in case they were needed to defend themselves against the insurrectionists. The insurrectionists that were unleashed on them by Donald J Trump and Jim Jordan.
Now, Dusty isn’t so angry anymore and Jim is the best!
What I do not believe you all understand is the full power of the people when it comes to a Republic. Where the States are well organized, especially where the people are well organized inside their precincts, we can best control the government hands down.
For example, to keep it simple look at it from a city level, and who and how the full power of a city government rests within.
https://www.siouxfallscommunitychronicle.com/power-behind-a-city – when you understand the full power is held by the Bureaucracy itself, what matters most is who owns the land, how those homesteads are formed, and how they evolve into estates, further into political subdivisions etc.
A township is later formed as that Group of People form their incorporated boundaries under the County, and if you understand townships, they are sectioned off in 36 sections, mainly grounded in rules and regulations as adopted by the 1777 Northwest Ordinance. Each Section has a Superviser, propped up by the landowners themselves, to whom ‘act’ as a council, to whom then appoint a Clerk, Treasurer, and Secretary. Under the 1777 Northwest Ordinance, Section 16 was promised to be reserved for Public Education, Science, Forestry.
As these basic foundations of a Republic come together, once a Group of People organize within the Territory to have 30,000 People, a State is then formed, becoming an Independent, Sovereign, and Free State of whom now the people within those Political Subdivisions get to appoint their At-Large Reps such as Governor, Lt. Governor, Attorney General, Secretary of State, State Treasurer, State Auditor, Land Commissioner, their two U.S Senators, as well as their Electors for President.
The Residents residing within those political subdivisions then get to organize, and vote in public elections to choose their State Legislators, Mayors, City Councils, Federal Representatives in the U.S House, County Sheriffs, Local Judges, etc.
As these political land divisions better organize, the ultimate power is forever held in the hands of the landowners, the people, and we begin to put in place our organized, and well orchestrated plan to install our President, Vice President, U.S Senators, Governors, Attorney Generals Secretary of States, all the At-Large Representatives of whom watchover, and best protect the “Land” and their “Estates” themselves.
We do not care who wins the national, nor statewide popular vote for President, all that counts is who wins the most votes in each of the 435 Federal Districts, and those electors shall be “proportioned” based on who wins their respective district(s).
The Electors get to cast two ballots, 1 each for President (and vice president) based on who wins the popular vote in their district, and 1 once each from a list of candidates that are nominated and placed on ballots outside their respective district as per Article 2, section 1.
All that matters is the candidate who wins the most electors, thus winning as many votes as necessary to become President. The popular vote does NOT matter, nor does the opinions of Congress, as neither is needed to become the President. The STATES are the judge, jury, and remedy of any controversies between Presidential Electors, the only role Congress shall have is to set the Time, Place, and Manner ensuring the States, that the proper process willl be played out, and that all controversies between States are settled.
When the real and true process plays out, it does NOT what party wins, you would most likely have a Republican President, a Republican Senate, and very easily, have a Democrat Vice President, with a Republican Speaker of the House…
Of the 435 Federal Districts, nearly 70% of them are “Conservative” in nature, and that means the proper assessment of the country is Red.
Democrats know all this, which is why they have manipulated and confused people on how the electoral process works, well since 1828.
P. Aitch, I think you may be correct. If Gym Jordan becomes the speaker, and in so doing, accelerates the destruction of the modern republican party . . . then that may be worth it. But I better be careful what I wish for . . .
Gym Jordan ought be expelled from the house, not its speaker.
Let’s not get all squishy. Jordumb should be expelled, sent to prison and execucted for treason.
Of course, he’s innocent until proven guilty, which should be too hard to establish.
What Donald said. While the Zittiots keep trying to move the goalposts traitors like Jordan should be tried and sent to Guantanamo Bay for the rest of their lives.
Mike, I reject your system of electors for the same reason I see the present system as flawed: the popular vote is all that is needed to elect a president. Anything in-between my vote and counting it toward who is the next president is an unnecessary and probably manipulated step.
Unlike the founding fathers, I reject the idea that I am too ignorant to have my vote directly affect the outcome of elections.
I also reject the ingrained nature of the political parties in your analysis. in my dream political system, parties are a thing of the past.
Jordan should be disqualified as speaker for ignoring a subpoena to testify in the Jan 6 legislative investigation. Noone should be raised to leadership of an institution if they have already show that they see themselves above the laws of that institution.
O,
The American System of Governing rests in the vessels themselves, the STATES, of whom have all oversight capabilities over the Federal Government. The CONGRESS nor the VOTERS directly vote for, nor chooses the President and for rightful reason.
Two reasons for this:
a) Under the Articles of Confederation, the States (the people) elected representatives to their Continental Congress, of whom then appointed on behalf of themselves, a “President” of the COngress who acted as President of the States. It was beleived, that the Congress will never act in the best interests of the states, and could be suspect to foreign interests…
b) The Founders had all been born in foreign countries under the former Monarchies, and Dynasty type of choosing their leaders by popular opinion of the people. This led to many believing that even the people themselves can corrupt the process of choosing their leader based on popular opinion of a small number of large estates and regions…
So, upon creating the Constitution, which creates a Centralized Federal Government, they chose neither, but gave to each the supervised role of observing over, and managing the process of electing the President.
What we got was the following:
1) The PEOPLE of the States, of whom are separated in Federal Districts, get to Directly Elect their U.S House Reps;
2) The STATE LEGISLATORS of the States, the very people directly elected by the People get to then Appoint their Two U.S Senators.
3) The State Legislators and the Qualified Voters of each State Republic would create rules as to Elect or Appoint the ELECTORS for President, giving to both the people and their representatives an equal role in choosing their own Slate of Electors – while each District is to get 1 Elector Each equal to the # of Members of the U.S House.
***Once the ELECTORS are chosen, June 2024 in South Dakota, these Electors then are officially seated in their offices, begin to meet with both the voters and the legislators to nominate and place on ballots candidates for President, by holding meetings, committees, and sometimes state conventions, to place candidates on a statewide general ballot…
***IN each District, in many states, the VOTERS go to the polls on November 2024 to cast their vote for their choice for President. (Per District).
****The ELECTORS then go to a National Convention to cast two votes – 1st Vote they must cast vote for the person who wins their DIstrict, while the 2nd VOte they must cast a vote from outside their district. These are then sealed and delivered to Congress.
*****Congress then opens up these sealed ballots, and counts the votes – remember, each Elector had two votes each…the winner becomes President, the Runner Up becomes Vice President as such, the Legislators and the People get their top two choices in the Executive Branch.
******IF no one gets 270 electors, which would occur where there are more than 10 people getting votes, the STATES get 1 vote each to decide the final outcome…
The PRESIDENT does NOT directly represent the people nor does he directly represent the Congress – he is the PRESIDENT chosen by the Electors (chosen by the States), thus representing the STATES directly in foreign commerce.
Under this process, the PRESIDENT does NOT choose his running mate, nor do the people conspire to put together a TICKET. For – where the STATES get their top two choices, political party DOES NOT matter…
Look at the first election – You had a conservative president, and a very progressive, vice president cause Washington and Adams got the 1st and 2nd most ELECTORS ….
Mike, the history of a bad, un-democratic system is still the history of a BAD system. It is NOT justification for that system. As you acknowledge, times have changed and the American electorate is not beholden to foreign ties and far more educated (yes, I had some trouble typing that with a straight face) than our forefathers. Also, now we have the ability to accurately count a national popular vote — something our forefathers did not have.
Moderates in the Republican Party will cave, just like Dusty. They have no backbone. Moderates are usually too scared to be effective.
Dicta-thank you for finally being frank. since becoming aware of your posts over the last few years i have conflicted with the odd substance of your positions. Glimmerings of rationality are dashed by your underlying ideology.
Just another grdz in sheep’s wool (“deserve to have their names used correctly”— yeah, sure grdz).
John directed us to words worth repeating:
Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and the attack by Hamas on Israeli civilians “are both blatant rejections of that rules-based world order, and they herald something new. Both aggressors have deployed a sophisticated, militarized, modern form of terrorism, and they do not feel apologetic or embarrassed about this at all.” They feel justified in ignoring the rules-based international order and sowing terror and chaos among civilians.
***
“The separation of families at our southern border was a betrayal of our nation’s values,” said Associate Attorney General Vanita Gupta. “By providing services to these families and implementing polices to prevent future separations, Monday’s agreement addresses the impacts of those separations and helps ensure that nothing like this happens again. [lawyer Vanita Gupta is an example or the sterling quality of staff under the Biden administration—but just imagine what a dusty administration would look like! Geez!!]
***
https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/october-16-2023
I have been finding I automatically categorize people as soon as I can distinguish if they fall into the two types of people in the world. Too often they are quickly plopped in the ‘believes in mythology’, which is in an overlapping category of ‘cannot recognize propaganda’. These are people I have worked on helping for years. Waste of energy, as far as Mr. Z and his kind go. They need their ‘forefather myths’ and propagandist bible like they need air. They could die if I ever were able to break the truth through to one. So I let up some nowadays. Hopelessness can be replaced by playing the category game. The best ones are the ones who are adamant about kitty litter boxes in the schools for the furries. Even though none of them have seen a furry or know a kid in school who has witnessed this. They’re categorically twumps. The mythology category has more hope of enlightenment than those unable to recognize propaganda, in my experience.
Children should not bring their pets to school at all, Ms. Mammal. Maybe for show and tell, but then their moms should take the animal home.
The Jordon nut cases would sacrifice the freedom of the brave people of Ukraine and Israel for a political “win” in the House of Representatives. Dusty Johnson has more loyalty to his “Party” and ignore the January 6th insurrection supported by Jim Jordon. We cannot forger treason.
Jordan has lost the first ballot for speaker.
“Rep. Dusty Johnson of South Dakota, said he anticipated that Jordan might not have all the votes on the first ballot, but he said he remained hopeful that those GOP holdouts would flip.
“A lot of the people who are holding out are very reasonable people,” Johnson said. “It’s my assessment that when people stay at the table that a deal is possible.””
Jordan has never passed a bill. Writing bills and getting them passed into law is THE JOB of a congress person. Jordan has enjoyed the benefits of government employment for 16 years and never ONCE actually performed the job.
Zitterich – conservatism is by its inherent nature NOT revolutionary, but counter-revolutionary. They do not initiate change; they react against it.
Mr. Zitterich–in you fulminations on this site, you maintain we are experiencing a “second revolution”. My good man, have you forgotten the Civil War?? That was truly our second revolution and its’ aftermath resulted in the the 13th 14,th and 15th amendments, all of which you have called to abolish. At various times you have also called to abolish the 16th, 17th, 19th, 22nd, 23rd, and 26th. I suspect that you would also prefer the 9th, 11th, and 12th be abolished. I do not believe you are any kind of Constitutional Conservative. You are a nihilist, plain and simple.
“A mob is the place where people go to take a break from their conscience.” – Jeff Daniels, attributing to Harper Lee’s To Kill a Mockingbird
Small Johnson is in that mob.
Ignore what Johnson says. The only thing important are Johnson’s actions and omissions.
The problem with the Z theory of electoral districts is that you can change the results by how you draw the lines of the districts. Switch to states, and the problem is still there
A mob is a group of Kangaroos and Kangaroos are the literate equivalent, or greater than, drumpf/magat appointed, lifetime serving justices.
I have always stood behind the 1789 Constitution, I do and will continue to lobby for, the repealing of Amendments 12, 13, 14, 16, 17. While supporting bringing back the Original 13 Amendment which was the T.O.N.A act, that stripped your citizenship if it was found that you took a bribe, present, gift, money, or were given an Emolument from a Foreign Government, King, or Queen, meaning you could NOT ever run for President, Congress, or Federal Judge.
I also support a new “Amendment” that out right bans Slavery with no conditions as stated in the current 13 Amendment. Although, in today’s times, I do not believe any State, nor Territory would ever participate in the Slave Trade again, but then again, well – there is evidence that there is a degree of slave trading in terms of Sex and Drug Trafficking..
The Constitution is quite clear on how the “Election of the President” is to proceed every four years – and Congress can only place Time, Place, Manner laws in place, let alone Count the Elector Ballots. The STATES (the people) are free to adopt rules as to how the Electors are to be chosen, whether appointed by the legislature, or elected by the “qualified voters” of the State as a political subdivision.
The Constitution states clearly, that the “Federal Districts” shall be apportioned as per population, as set by Congress and are to be no larger than 1 Member Per 30,000 Citizens. Currenlty, the Congress has capped the Districts a 435 and the districts are to be 1 Member Per 735,000 Citizens…
Congress can change the Apportionment anytime they so choose as it relates to the Census Report that occurs every ten years in years that end in “ZERO”. This means, every ten years, Congress is ordered to redraw the district lines as they so wish, by means of how land owners so choose to align themselves in the years ahead. Congress is to appoint a “Redistricting Commission” made up of 435 Members, equal to the # of Congressional Districts currently in place, each District is to get 1 voice on the commission, to which meets with the Landowners, Business Owners, Resdients of such district. In South Dakota, the Public Land and School Commissioners are usually chosen to be our Members, of whom are elected by the People of South Dakota., and while the Commission often times provides Congress A, B, and C in terms of a number of adopted plans, which further are debated in the Senate and the House.
Democrats seemingly wish to align the districts so the greater populations are in support of URBAN areas, whereas Republican tend to support an alignment that is NOT bound by neither Urban or Rural, but are simply EQUAL in size. ONLY “CITIZENS” are grouped in the districts, NOT Illegal Immigrants, nor Native Americans who have NOT surrended their Sovereign Immunity, and are NOT grounded in race.
If the Democrats had their way, they would most likely call for Districts the size of 1 Member Per 1,000,000 Citizens. Cause this would them to enlarge their Urban Centers, meaning stealing, and disenfranchising the voice of those in Rural Centers.
A Look at a South Dakota geography map, one can see where people live and work, and then look at where and who owns the land, and you get to understand the facts – district lines are NOT absolute, they bend this way, twist that way, based on political opinions, religious beliefs, common ancestries, business practices, to property beliefs…The LAW of Human Nature tends to play a huge role in the process.
Once the Districts are set, and adopted, each Federal District has the constitutional right to appoint or elect 1 Elector for President, which in South Dakota, occurs in June of 2024, to whom then is seated into his office, to meet with their constiuents, to discuss potential candidates.
Each ELECTOR gets to vote twice for President – his first choice must be the candidate chosen by th voters of his/her district, while the ELECTOR gets to as per the constitution, make a second choice, and this candidate must be someone from outside the district (State).
So, even if the State of Michigan, Colorado, or Delware choose to disqualify Donald Trump from their ballot, the ELECTORS of those States can cast 1 vote each for TRUMP as their Alternate Choice thanks to TRUMP being on ballots in several other States.
This is why the 14 Amendment Section 3 clearly states, that a person who has been found or convicted to have participated in an insurrection, or treason, CANNOT become seated as U.S Senator, U.S House Rep, or an Elector for President. GOVERNMENT shall not restrict anyone from a BALLOT, that would give government to much power, but the 14 Amendment provides the avenue that Congress can utilize to block those “Candidates” from being seated into that elected position. In terms of an Elected President also involve a Public Hearing, most often times an Impeachment Trial.
Trump is a flight risk so he needs to lose his passport and be under house arrest.
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1) Your 13th amendment was never adopted. Todd Epps once did a deep dive into it. I know that it has become an idee fixe amongst the Constituional Citizens but it is just wrong. You aren’t entitled to your own history and facts.
2) Strike down the 14th amendment and states would be free to ban all gun ownership. They would not be restricted by the 2nd Amendment. Something for you to think about.
3) You are also going to restore the right to own slaves.
4) You are wrong in thinking that Republicans do not bend district lines for politic reasons
5) The founders of this country were not perfect. The US Constitution was not on the 3rd tablet (you know, the one Moses dropped). The Electoral College was one of those ideas that didn’t work and ought to be dropped. Joe Biden and Donald Trump won approximately the same amount of votes in CO-WY-MT-SD-ND; it makes little sense that Trump won 3 more EV than Biden. Going to districts would make this problem worse.
6) I can’t help but notice that midwestern conservatives support an electoral system that gives them disproportionate political power over states like CA while happily spending tax dollars shipped to them from states like CA
Small Johnson, like his pal, Gym Jordan, is swimming backwards. Gym Jordan lost the speaker vote by the largest margin in recent history.
Of course, Gym Jordan, and his pal Dusty, learned nothing about the definition of insanity – they are prepared to do the same thing again and expect a different result. Make no mistake. Johnson is not a moderate. Johnson is a pal of Martia Butina and her Russians, trump and his Russians, and abhors majority rule.
Perhaps the better course maybe for the democrats to nominate Liz Cheney for speaker. Certainly that nomination would secure at least 5 republican votes.
The US needs a law that reads:
– no pay for congress and its staffers when the US government is shutdown; and
– no pay for the branch of congress and its staffers, when that branch has no certified leader(speaker of the house, or majority leader of the senate).
That’s right, Mr. John.
These fellows, be they short-order cooks or Legislatures like Mr. Johnson don’t get to go “on strike.”
You don’t like your job, quit.
You want it, work harder and get paid. The bosses, in this case as Mr. H might back grudznick on, the people will pay you. Or they will fire you.
Mr. President Uncle Joe Biden needs firing.
Mr. Dusty needs firing.
Mr. Trump needs firing.
Let it be known, many need firing.
Gym Jordan and tiny Johnson are now doubling down on bullying, intimidation, threats, and authoritarianism.
Jordan’s incapable of leading a horse to water.
Jordan’s only elected because his voters are ignorant bubbas. Who elects a congress critter who hasn’t passed 1 bill in 16 years.
Here’s his jordanmandered district. He couldn’t win a fair, balanced district. https://beltmag.com/jim-jordan-ohio-democracy-gerrymandering/
It looks like the first promise Jordan made was to pass the Farm Bill (which he normally objects to) which explains the Dusty move to Camp Jordan (and a few other mid-west hold outs). No Republican asked for a repudiation of Jordan’s insurrection activities or an acknowledgment of Biden’s election. it seems that pigs at the trough is the absolute best we can hope for in the GOP caucus.
grudznick, just for giggles, why does Mr. President Uncle Joe Biden need firing (other than he has that nasty “D” by his name)?
Small Johnson’s on team, Threats and Intimidation.
The Team is a modern version of the Brown Shirts.
https://www.cpr.org/2023/10/19/house-pro-tempore-jordan-third-vote/