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South Dakota Taliban Oppress and Kill Women

South Dakota is the Taliban when it comes to women’s rights. So may be read remarks Hillary Clinton made yesterday comparing the United States to Afghanistan and Sudan:

“It’s so shocking to think that in any way we’re related to poor Afghanistan and Sudan,” she said Friday at the Women’s Voices Summit at the Clinton Presidential Center in Little Rock, Arkansas. “But as an advanced economy as we allegedly are, on this measure, we unfortunately are rightly put with them.”

Sudan’s Islamist state bans abortion except for when a woman was raped or her life is in danger. Afghanistan’s Islamist state bans abortion except for when the mother’s life in danger [Patrick Hauf, “Hillary Clinton Says Overturning Roe v. Wade Puts US in Company of Afghanistan, Sudan,” Fox News, 2022.12.02].

Fellow panelist Victoria DeFrancesco Soto added empirical data that puts South Dakota in company with other places with ugly histories of theocracy:

On another topic, Soto said the United States has the highest maternal mortality rate of the 38 developed countries in the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development. It also is the only country other than Afghanistan and Sudan where the rate is rising.

Hillary Clinton said the rise is occurring largely in states that refused to expand Medicaid under the Affordable Care Act, otherwise known as Obamacare. Arkansas expanded Medicaid but has the nation’s highest maternal mortality rate.

She said some of the harshest restrictions against reproductive health care are in states that don’t provide health care to pregnant women. She said the higher rates are mostly related to income but also are related to race [Steve Brawner, “Hillary Clinton: Abortion Issued Inspired Young People to Vote,” Talk Business and Politics, 2022.12.02].

That’s Kristi Noem‘s Freedom and Opporuntity at work, oppressing and killing women just like in Afghanistan and Sudan.

35 Comments

  1. bearcreekbat 2022-12-03 09:24

    As pointed out many times current SD murder and capital punishment laws authorize the State to not only kill women for having any intentional but unauthorized termination of a pregnancy gone bad, it also authorizes the State to kill any doctor, nurse, family member or friend that assists the woman in terminating the pregnancy.

    And, since neither Kurt Evans nor anyone else to date has identified any “lies” or false statements that I allegedly have made in comments on DFP or elsewhere about abortion facts or law, hence the dangerous information I have presented about remains unchallenged.

  2. All Mammal 2022-12-03 10:02

    Racist? Check. Sexist? Check. Educated? Not so much. Nourished? On some days. Violent? Oh, heavens yes. Poor? THE poorest. Religious? Extremely fanatical. Sport or activity? Get drunk, harass farm animals, rape. How’s the justice system? Excellent, for white republican men with coin. Clean? Toxic. Moral? Low. Afghanistan or Sudan? Close, South Dakota. There is hope, comrades. We can change this right here, right now. Or we can all die down here.

  3. grudznick 2022-12-03 12:28

    I thought it was Mr. “Sodomized, as bad as you can make it” Napoli and my good friend Bob’s old buddy Mr. Apa who were the South Dakota Taliban.

  4. P. Aitch 2022-12-03 14:39

    Cory really got your goat, grudz. We can always tell because you try to change the subject.

  5. Arlo Blundt 2022-12-03 15:05

    Well…the anti women’s rights campaign of the South Dakota Republican Party right wing will be the story of the legislature this year. Clarence Thomas acolytes are Plentiful in the House, a bit rarer in the Senate and there is no viable opposition from Democrats in either party. It may be the “last stand” of the only marginally reasonable wing of “Good Government” Republicans.

  6. bearcreekbat 2022-12-03 18:41

    You know Arlo I can’t imagine how this group of Republican legislators can make exisiting anti-choice law any worse than classifying an unauthorized abortion as a capital offense. Do you suppose the Clarence Thomas acolytes that you are referring to will perhaps seek to change the death sentence from lethal injection to death for serve and continued physical torturethat ultimately results in death, sort of like the lynching practices during the Jim Crow era, such as castration, disembowlelment, dismemberment, burning alive, etc, etc?

    https://eji.org/wp-content/uploads/2005/11/lynching-in-america-3d-ed-110121.pdf

    Although under current SCOTUS death penalty precedent that type of execution would be considered a violation of the 8th amendment, but with Clarence, Alito et al now controlling the Court that precedent too could be discarded like the right of privacy.

  7. bearcreekbat 2022-12-03 18:44

    from severe, not for serve

  8. Arlo Blundt 2022-12-03 19:48

    BearCreek..anything is possible with the overarching majority of Republicans in the Legislature and the 6-3 (and a very solid 6-3 it is) majority on the Court. Ailito and Thomas seem deranged on the topic, Roberts unable to provide any tempering leadership and the other Three Trump appointments, dumb as stumps. As to what punishment will the Court approve for those involved with providing an abortion?? Ask Ginny Thomas.

  9. Mark Anderson 2022-12-03 22:00

    It will become more and more apparent to everyone, which states value women as equals and which don’t. Simply a matter of time.

  10. grudznick 2022-12-04 08:15

    This morning at the Conservatives with Common Sense breakfasting, the Opening Rant will be about how the Democrat Party in Iowa is really sticking it to the young Iowegian democrats, driving them out of the state, and then the debates will center around the forcing out of Mr. Seiler, he of the South Dakota Democrat Party. Are the abject failures of the Democrat party his to own, or are they Mr. Wieland’s and Mr. Hildy’s? Can the Democrat Party in South Dakota sink further, or has it bottomed out?

  11. 96Tears 2022-12-04 09:13

    The South Dakota Democrat Party is less than a ghost of itself, grudznick. Reports of yesterday’s meeting in Mitchell indicate that Mr. Seiler nearly broke his arm patting himself on the back for holding the ship together through another turbulent election. The few people who showed up joined in the chorus, though most of them privately complain about Mr. Seiler’s lack of … anything? … during his sleepy tenure as their state chairman. It had all the depth and relevance of congratulating members of your Cw/CS for having successful bowel movements after sharing a healthy breakfast.

    Some of those who attended the meeting know what it takes to rebuild the party, but they’re old and/or too tired to try again. It’s kaput. And if anyone with experience, common sense and a battle plan should step up to the plate, their every little flaw will be probed, magnified, chewed up, spit out again and condemned in the county party rumor mills. And so it goes. Do the minimal so that Republicans in Pierre can continue hogging the patronage trough unfettered, election after election. Then whine there’s nothing left to be done.

    Think of an ever-shrinking group of zombies from “The Walking Dead.” Their only mission in non-life is to keep walking forever and searching for fresh meat. Brains. They need brains.

  12. All Mammal 2022-12-04 10:40

    Even if you don’t regularly listen to punk, this one is hand selected for DFP fans. NOFX is, was, and always will be the STUFF. “The Idiots are Taking Over (fat trump and el putin)” The War on Errorism

    It’s not the right time to be sober
    Now the idiots have taken over
    Spreading like a social cancer
    Is there an answer?
    MENSA membership conceding
    Tell me why and how are all the stupid people breeding
    Watson, it’s really elementary
    The industrial revolution
    Has flipped the b!tch on evolution
    The benevolent and wise
    Are being quieted, ostracized, what a bummer
    The world keeps getting dumber
    Insensitivity is standard
    And faith is being fancied over reason
    Darwin’s rollin over in his coffin
    The fittest are surviving much less often
    Now everything seems to be reversing
    And it’s worsening
    Someone flopped a steamer in the gene pool
    Now angry mob mentality’s no longer the exception, it’s the rule
    And I’m startin’ to feel a lot like Charlton Heston
    Stranded on a primate planet
    Apes and orangutans that ran it to the ground
    With generals and the armies that obeyed them
    Followers following fables
    Philosophies that enable them to rule without regard
    There’s no point for democracy when ignorance is celebrated
    Political scientists get the same one vote as some Arkansas inbred
    Majority rule, don’t work in mental institutions
    Sometimes the smallest softest voice carries the grand biggest solutions
    What are we left with?
    A Nation of god-fearing pregnant nationalists
    Who feel it’s their duty to populate the homeland
    Pass on traditions
    “How-to-get-ahead” religions
    And prosperity via simpleton culture
    The idiots are taking over
    The idiots are taking over
    The idiots are taking over
    The idiots are taking over
    The idiots are taking over
    The idiots are taking over
    The idiots are taking over
    The idiots are taking over
    They’re taking over!
    Source: Musixmatch
    Songwriters: Michael John Burkett
    The Idiots Are Taking Over lyrics © Nofx Music

    Much better with instrument accompaniment, led by a bemohawked guy singing angrily in a kilt.

  13. bearcreekbat 2022-12-04 13:01

    What a great set of lyrics! Thank All Mammal. I am going to work up a non-punk arrangement of this song (since I have no idea how to play good punk on an acoustic guitar).

  14. bearcreekbat 2022-12-04 13:32

    96 tears, what specific actions would you have recommended for Seiler that he failed to do? What exactly do you think he should have done differently?

    Comments like “Some of those who attended the meeting know what it takes to rebuild the party, but they’re old and/or too tired to try again” could be helpful if you can identify exactly “what it takes to rebuild the party.”

    Did someone “with experience, common sense and a battle plan” actually step up to the plate but their ideas were “chewed up, spit out again and condemned in the county party rumor mills?” Who was this (or these) individual and can you describe the particular ideas that you are referencing that were rejected or diminished?

    From the admittedly very little I know about it, it seems as if frustration of Democrats has resulted in some sort of magical thinking that all it would take is a great charismatic brilliant party leader (sort of like those that think Trump is such a guy for Republicans) to step up to the plate and solve all of the party’s problems. Since Seiler did not satisify that hope they see him as some sort of pariah rather than someone who stepped up to the plate and gave it a shot. I have known Seiler for many years professionally and he has always struck me as a hard working emphathic individual that both listens and cares about people and helping them. Had anyone come up with a better idea for Democrats in the recent election that Seiler ignored or rejected that idea needs to be exposed. Otherwise all that angst about Seiler seems like misplaced sour grapes.

  15. bearcreekbat 2022-12-04 15:59

    I just saw Tom Lawrence’s Dec. 3 Standard piece about Seiler and the Democratic party. If accurate it provides useful perspective for Seiler’s tenure. Lawrence writes:

    When Randy Seiler was named chairman of the South Dakota Democratic Party in late summer 2019, it was in dire shape.

    The party was broke, and had closed offices in Sioux Falls and Rapid City. It had no paid staff and was in trouble with the Federal Election Commission, which resulted in a $40,000 fine in 2021. In short, it was a mess.

    It also was coming off a long string of election losses. The SDDP was at a historic low point. Seiler has worked to rebuild the party, and it has reopened offices in both major cities and hired staff.

    In one of the comments to Lawrence’s piece a person named Marcia wrote:

    No one, and I mean no one wanted to, nor could have done, what Randy Seiler did when he reluctantly took the reins of the bankrupt SDDP.

    I was there and saw and experienced it first hand. Finances and FEC records were in complete shambles. Going thru boxes and boxes of old records to reconstruct information so we could make some sense of a budget was not only nearly impossible but AWFUL. I witnessed people from the party . . . showing up on day one touting how [they] would help, only to leave after a few short hours to never return. Randy not only had to shoulder the EMBARRASSING public scrutiny he had to spend hours upon hours on the phone with the FEC, banking officials and the IRS to get to the bottom of the mess he had been left to deal with. It was with remarkable perseverance and an incredible sense of duty that he remained.
    . . .
    I am so incredibly proud of Randy’s leadership. In 3 years he led a financial defunct organization to a financial stable organization. Where there was none there is now 2 offices and full time staff. There are no longer bill collectors knocking. The FEC finds all in good standing. Randy worked his tail off. Randy donates money. Randy personally co-signed bank notes to pay bill collectors.

    https://www.sdstandardnow.com/home/sddp-chairman-seiler-says-he-will-step-aside-endorses-state-rep-cwach-can-anyone-lead-the-party-back-into-political-prominence

    I have no personal knowledge whether any of these descriptions are accurate, but if they are true then if is certainly understandable why he was proud of his accomplishments and received praise from others attending the conference described by 96 tears.

  16. larry kurtz 2022-12-04 17:07

    It’s not just Corey Lewandowski who loves the fact that Mrs. Noem is a super spreader….

  17. 96Tears 2022-12-04 17:36

    bcb – I believe the person named Marcia in the Facebook thread got a federal patronage position after Biden was elected. She used to be a Republican, but, thank goodness, switched parties in recent years. Good thing for her that Randy is her brother-in-law. The other woman on the Facebook thread who’s helping Marcia swat back at the critics this morning appears to be Randy’s wife. BTW, there have been much bigger financial holes inherited by an incoming state party chair. Just ask Jack Billion. I saw a financial sheet showing that he inherited debt that was a little under $200K. Jack took care of it in two years and he also recruited one of the largest slates of Dem legislative slates since Bill Janklow left office the first time. He hosted a successful state convention, successful McGovern Days and made sure statewide candidate slots had Democrats running.

    That’s been my own beef with Mr. Seiler. The candidate recruitment was dreadful and embarrassing. Districts that had been competitive in the last 20 years or so didn’t even have a Democrat alternative. I’m no whiz on party rebuilding, but I have enough common sense to know that you miss 100% of the shots you fail to take. If county party grassroots resources are that weak, you might want to start by making sure you have live switches in those positions in 2023 so you won’t be standing there with your pockets inside out in March 2024, wondering why you’ve got another record failure in recruiting candidates.

    When George McGovern was hired by Ward Clark to be the party’s ex dir in 1953 (read “Grass Roots”), there were only three Democrats in the legislature and only several counties with any kind of official organization. George drove his car and visited county by county to talk issues face-to-face with folks, and jot little notes on 3×5 index cards that he set in a box on the front seat. The tools that are at our disposal today are infinitely more resourceful than doing it all from scratch like McGovern did. Three years later, the Dems were winning legislative seats, had organized counties and a First District Democrat as a Congressman named George McGovern.

    Let’s go back a little further, bcb, and look at the tenure of William J. Bulow. Elected governor in 1926, Bulow capitalized on a big fight among Republicans over an ag support policy initiated by Governor Peter Norbeck in response to pressures created by what eventually became known as the Great Depression. The mega-disaster hit rural farm states first before rolling onto Wall Street. Bulow was a West River moderate who held the trust of disgruntled Republicans and carried the Democrats to win. After two terms, he was elected to the U.S. Senate.

    The next D governor was Tom Berry who started his two terms in the election of 1932 after the national Republicans embarrassed themselves with their lack of any initiatives to stop the Great Recession. FDR offered hope and backed it up with a series of programs that saved rural America and built an
    American Middle Class. South Dakota voters, being South Dakota voters, turned their backs after 1934’s election and returned to the Republican Party. Another Democrat beach front was eroded until McGovern came along and Ralph Herseth was elected governor in 1958. It wasn’t until Dick Kneip got elected because of gaffes made by Governor Frank Farrar that Dems recaptured the governor’s office in 1970 and started building back numbers in the legislature in 1972 and 1974.

    It seems to me and my vague understanding of politics and parties that the tide for Republicans lasts longer in South Dakota, but there is always going to be another opening for those who can see them and for those who work hard enough and have courage to take on the Republican hierarchy very aggressively. The reason I think there is still hope is because the Republicans have lost badly on recent ballot issues while Democrats have been right on the ballot issues. The disconnect is precisely at the point where voters look to see who has an R behind their name. That’s a severe branding problem.

    I agree with you that too many Democrats are engaged in magical thinking. They’re waiting for the next messiah to ride in on a Democrat donkey. Well, that’s not how people become successful in real life. That’s something that I’ve learned in business.

    I am also not here to pound away on Randy Seiler. I don’t think he was able to get his arms around the job. He also seemed to be lacking in energy and determination. I feel sorry for Jamie Smith whose capabilities exceeded my expectations by a lot. He didn’t have the money or the grass roots support to launch an end game. The air in his balloon ran out two weeks too soon, and that was not his fault.

    I am also interested in what happened this year in Minnesota with Walz’ re-election and Democrats sweeping both the Senate and House, despite predictions from respected observers that the Republican tide could displace Democrats. A key difference was the Roe v Wade decision was the driving force that infuriated metro and a good share of rural area voters to drive the whackjobs away from taking office. Here in South Dakota, we saw angry protests from young people that were unprecedented soon after the SCOTUS decision. That fire burned white hot in Sioux Falls (where seats were left uncontested) and then faded out six weeks later. Why? This could have been a big deal for Democrats in districts that were marginal, but no. The connection didn’t happen and people blindly voted R.

    Boil this down, and what you really have is a marketing problem stacked upon a massive failure to organize county parties and take on Noem and the GOP structure. Nobody’s selling Democrats and nobody’s telling the truth on Republicans (except our host Cory) in our state. I am also not a marketing whiz, but I recognize the symptoms of a marketing failure. Perhaps this is why the balloon of independent voters keeps swelling election cycle after election cycle.

  18. Mark Anderson 2022-12-04 18:08

    Take Sioux Falls Democrats. It should be 50/50 there.

  19. bearcreekbat 2022-12-04 18:35

    That is interesting party history, 96 tears, thanks! One would think that in all the ways the current Republican party have devolved into craziness that does literally nothing to help or support the interests of the vast majority of SD’s population, that SD voters would abandon the “R” faster than a Donald Trump acolyte repeats an election lie. Add to that the number of times that Noem shot herself in the foot prior to the last election and it is a mystery why she isn’t toast, like Frank Farraar in the Kneip/Farrar history you mention.

    If it only comes down to mere marketing, however, rather than appealing to actual thinking voters, it would seem we are living in the mist of a Lewis Carroll fantasy world in which Republican gaslighting continues to work its marketing magic elevating fear, anger, suspicion, and projection over caring, empathy, honesty, and responsibility.

    Anyway, for what it is worth, I have trouble laying blame on Seiler for not accomplishing more than he did even if other Democratic leaders in the past managed to do more. Opinons of relatives and supporters are always open to claims of bias, but factual statements can be objectively verified regardless of the bias of the individual making such statements. If the state of the Democratic party was in fact as bad as Lawrence and Marcia claim, then Seiler, in my view, deserves thanks for his successful turnaround, which hopefully will provide a much better base for even more party rebuilding efforts by future party leaders.

  20. grudznick 2022-12-04 19:09

    Now that Mr. Seiler has tossed in his towel, it’s probably 50/50 that young Ms. Hawks is coming back for a return engagement.

  21. M 2022-12-05 05:39

    Whenever the topics on this blog are about women, you men change the subject.

    This article is about supressing women, to hell with the Democratic Party.

    Individuals have their own minds and it’s clear to me that it’s MEN who want to suppress women’s rights, acting like it’s a privilege to live instead of a right.

    What’s important is how men feel and how to change their minds because it’s clear to me that you men blogging don’t take it seriously, or you’re for taking our rights away, or you just don’t give a crap.

    Women out there respond.

  22. Cory Allen Heidelberger Post author | 2022-12-05 06:15

    M, you identify a cultural problem that suggests that even people on our side of the issue aren’t focused enough on restoring women’s rights in South Dakota.

  23. M 2022-12-05 09:29

    First off Cory, you are a voice and champion for women and their rights. Thank you! However, you are in the small minority of men who are aware that the government’s domination over a woman’s productive rights is just the beginning. Secondly, most men who respond to your articles about women make some interesting and productive comments. Third, those men who respond to these same blogs and hijack the topic purposefully do so because they don’t see the whole picture, see the whole picture and don’t give a damn, or are against women’s rights. Finally, I would like to hear women voice their opinions on reproductive rights, yet all I hear is Kristi Noem.

    I think this whole conversation would be different if I were in a blue state so yeah this is a cultural problem in S.D.

  24. Edwin Arndt 2022-12-05 09:58

    Just because you do not like or agree with a particular culture
    does not mean there’s a cultural problem. Cultures vary from
    place to place.
    M, you write “acting like it’s a privilege to live instead
    of a right”. Please carefully consider the total ramifications
    of that statement for a bit.

  25. Bonnie B Fairbank 2022-12-05 10:13

    M:

    I shall just reiterate I had my tubes “tied” in 1983 because, frankly, I did not trust our Christo-fascist misogynistic government one bit, and here we are, women.

    This was not extremism; it was foresite and wisdom. Don’t wait until forced pregnancies are “the law.”

  26. 96Tears 2022-12-05 10:34

    If we were in a blue state, M, we certainly wouldn’t be discussing how our state’s laws are as bad or worse than the world’s most repressive, anti-women regimes. We would be discussing how some states like South Dakota and other hard-boiled red states have laws in place to persecute and prosecute women for engaging in reproductive freedom, which is a basic human right.

    Conversations on DFP frequently become side-tracked and that is confusing to some readers not acquainted with the people who frequently engage on this blog. I am sorry for my role in this particular conversation because Hillary Clinton is one of the most under-rated and underappreciated political figures of our age and because what she said is accurate and should concern all rational and reasonable people. But because she’s Hillary Clinton, among even Democrats who should know better, her thoughts and observations are not taken with the seriousness they deserve.

    Frankly, I don’t think 95 percent of South Dakotans who are registered to vote have any clue what the laws in South Dakota and many other states are set to do now that the Roe vs. Wade fig leaf has been removed. As bearcreekbat outlined in the first comment, executions await anyone, including the mother, who engages in an act of abortion in South Dakota. Our anti-woman, fascist governor has promised she will make South Dakota laws the absolutely most repressive and punishing of any state’s anti-abortion laws. That means she’ll consider all the wicked proposals in other states, like Texas’ posse law, and go the extra mile to win more applause lines at the next CPAC conference. Just watch. And while we’re talking about Kristi Noem, reproductive rights isn’t the only political target in her sites. She’s part of a deeply funded national effort to turn our nation into a dictatorship that represses the nation on more than reproductive rights.

    As I said earlier, voters in Minnesota were kept alert to the mortal threats of Republican Talibanists on the ballot, and that fueled a grassroots rejection that resulted in a blue wave in that state. For some reason, and I don’t know exactly why, that message started strong in South Dakota, but then vanished.

    Fortunately, South Dakotans for Healthy Families are working on solutions, as are several other organizations. Anti-abortion proposed laws have failed twice on the ballot in South Dakota. Kansas this year showed there is hope for the big square states to come to their senses if people are allowed a choice without a candidate’s party affiliation tied to the message. I recall hearing comments from national political observers that America had not fully awakened to the unleashed horror created last summer by the Dobbs decision, but that it will loom as a very big issue in the 2024 election.

    The late Thelma Underberg, who served as state director many years for NARAL, once said at a reception that young women and girls these days have absolutely no idea what it was like to live as a woman in America prior to the Roe vs. Wade decision, a notion Thelma found chilling. At the time, which was more than a dozen years ago, I thought she was right, but that it would be impossible then to ignite action around what was at stake with each election that allowed anti-choice legislators and members of Congress into office to pass restrictive laws. Now, the reality of such a reckless agenda is here. When people finally wake up to its radical and dangerous shift from what folks thought as “normal,” we might see the needle move. I think it will move, even here in backwater South Dakota, but not without a massive amount of work and resources.

  27. e platypus onion 2022-12-05 11:10

    Good on you, Bonnie B. I had my tubes tied around that same time and a year later, the little lady packed up the kids and left.

  28. All Mammal 2022-12-05 12:28

    Outrage is in my guts everyday, Ladies. Burning. I hate it. Every time I hear them belly ache and moan, I want to scream a Janet Jackson song, “I didn’t carry you in my womb for nine months. You’re not my child. What have you done For Me lately?!”

    The only feasible way I see we can ever get them to do right by us is by cutting them off. No supper. No love. No sex. Even the good married ones because they will all go out and influence their single friends when they lose their strong partners who gladly carry most of the burden. And look good doing it.

    When they get met with doing it all themselves, we will get immediate outcomes. Its not even like we are asking for anything more than we have the right to. Nothing more than what they get. Respect. We have to organize and and stick to our guns. We don’t actually need guns, though, because we have the most powerful thing on the planet: brains. And the ability to cut off all source of life, if we united and used our brains.

    Even men who live with their mothers need to feel the sting. No laundered clothes, no lights on after coming home from work, no cooked food, no sensitive ear to listen about their hard day. We have to realize our worth and use it to get equality.

    We have the sharpest weapon and all we need to do is wield it at the same time and we’ll take the upper hand. We won’t even need to do the bidding; the men will do it all in Pierre and beyond, if they ever want a loving smooch again. We can use a penny to signify it will be held between our knees until our demands are met. That’s what my mom taught me to pretend I was doing when I wore a skirt when I was a shorty. I had to imagine I was holding a penny with my knees. I took it too literally, of course and looked like dork trying to walk like that. Anyways, we sure weren’t taught how to use the power we were born with. Time to take it.

  29. Richard Schriever 2022-12-05 16:18

    96Tears – FWIW, candidate recruitment and vetting in the SD Democratic party is the function and responsibility of the County Legislative Chair(s) and Vice-chair(s). How did YOUR county do?

  30. M 2022-12-05 16:59

    Thank you for all the responses!!!! I had my tubes tied as well because I did not want children. But I have plenty of nieces and don’t want to see them with less sexual freedoms than I had.

    Earlier, I meant that men in S.D., mostly Republicans, think that women have a defined and rigid role to play in society and anything outside the homemaker, wait on the man hand and foot, eat your food cold all the time lifestyle is a privilege not a right. You have no idea how many times I defend my position of not having any children as a lifestyle choice. Most women understand yet some feel sorry for me, thinking my life is not fully satisfied unless I pop a couple of um out. Most men think I missed the train, and my life is worthless because they thought that’s all-little girls ever dream about, having their baby.

  31. 96Tears 2022-12-05 17:56

    At the risk of getting off track here again (sorry M), Mr. Schriever, that is not correct in theory and especially in practice.

  32. All Mammal 2022-12-05 18:25

    M- sounds like the rarest living thing on the good earth; Women who have survived independently. There are not many. They sometimes hunt us down. Take everything. Most chicks have to marry to avoid the danger of being just a chick out in the world, but then you still have to relinquish everything and your own man might still erase you from the planet. Damned either way. Unless you’re a rare survivor. I have only known one or two my whole life. Almost extinct. And the longer they are here, the more wise and strong and insightful and magical and protecting and amazing you get(: Thats why they call us witches; because unwed women are a threat to insecure men who like to keep women basic and inferior and hobbled. If you don’t need a man, plus you read books and speak to the good earth and know about healing herbs and bark, you must be in cahoots with Satan. Only heretics can resist man’s charms. Ha. I’ll take my chances too.

  33. M 2022-12-06 06:33

    All Mammal, do you think the state will make tubal ligation illegal or even step on men’s rights and outlaw vasectomies?

    Good read from Electoral-vote.com titled THE DOBBS DECISION HAS LED TO A WINDFALL FOR……VASCETOMY CLINICS

    “Sometimes political events have political consequences. The Dobbs decision may have cost the Republicans dozens of seats in the House and maybe a few governorships and state legislatures as well. That is somewhat predictable. But Politico has discovered a somewhat related but completely unexpected side effect of Dobbs: the number of vasectomies is surging.

    Men who don’t want to be fathers and were always counting on abortion as a backstop if they got someone pregnant have suddenly come to realize that option may not always be there. In many states, it is already gone. So by visiting their local vasectomy clinic they are only a couple of snips away from not having to worry about that.

    Physician Esgar Guarín is trying to make that easier. He has a mobile clinic and an agreement with Planned Parenthood that allows him to park it in the parking lot of their clinics and open for business. The 24-foot, 11,000-lb vehicle has gone viral as “the nutcracker.” On the side in giant letters is his slogan: “One small snip for a man, one giant leap for humankind(ness).” He provides services to liberals, conservatives and, naturally, men who are strongly opposed to abortion. He charges $699 for the procedure, about half of what many doctors charge, and allows patients to sign up online. This makes it easier for some men who don’t want to talk to a (female) receptionist to schedule the procedure. Guarín has done over 3,000 of the procedures and is still going strong. One of his first was on himself, on camera. He also trains other doctors how to perform the procedure.

    He will take on any man above 18 but first asks them if they have done sperm banking because reversing the procedure is difficult and has mixed results. Of course, for a man of 45 who has seven children already there are different issues than for an 18-year-old kid who just wants to have some fun with no consequences.

    The spike in vasectomies is a result of a spike in conversations among romantic partners about contraception and whose responsibility is it. No doubt the Dobbs decision was the accelerant here since with abortion no longer available in around half the states, the need to avoid pregnancy has become much more acute for many couples. For some couples, vasectomy is a relatively cheap and foolproof solution. (V)”

  34. All Mammal 2022-12-06 11:01

    M- I do not ever think the state will step on man’s rights. Ever. His body is biblically protected or something.

  35. Bonnie B Fairbank 2022-12-06 17:41

    My personal observation is most males who think they want a vasectomy are afraid they’ll never get a “big stiffy” again.

    Most males I know in South Dakota need to get educated and their butts kicked.

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