Harvard’s Joint Center for Housing Studies offers a graphic showing why the Trump Taliban is so desperate to use voter purges, gerrymandering, and other means of undermining equal rights and representation—minority populations are growing much faster than past pasty privileged class:
South Dakota is one of maybe eight states where the white population is growing at something close to the that rate of the minority population. But even if our white growth matches minority growth, adding a hundred minority folks for every hundred white folks will wreak significant change in our demographics—change that scares Trumpistani white supremacists even whiter.
South Dakota does not seem to be growing more Moderate. :-)
Does my heart good to see the “pasty privileged class” frightened. They could not hold up under the circumstances that POC, women and LBTG have endured forever. That’s what comes of being privileged. Similar to Wilted Weenie and his crime family, the pasty, privileged class has gotten soft from having it easiest.
McConnell no longer has a problem with consenting to a Supreme Court nominee in an election year, Barr is no longer the Barr who once worked for Bush41, and farmers have not left Trump over trade and tariffs. I am afraid we now know why. It’s the politics of white fear. It was called white fright or white flight in the 1960s and 70s, but today it has personified itself not in an attempt to move from a reality, but rather to prevent it.
Today, our politics is more than taking a position which is at odds with our alleged core beliefs and has instead become a movement to alter how our political institutions work and in turn whether they will maintain their credibility in the future.
Nationally, we are entering a below radar attempt to return to the days of Jim Crow. Some will never admit it, but their actions speak for themselves.
As a Roman Catholic, I heartily welcome all my Central and South American brethren and sistren. It’s the WASPs that are frightened of minorities, not us Catholics, just as they were frightened of all the Italians and Irish coming in earlier in the country’s history.
Joe Nelson, IMHO you can not generalize about ALL WASPs. Not ALL non-Roman Catholics are frightened of people with Brown skin tones, we are all related. :-)
Rough Rider,
It is with much glee that I generalize, as this blog’s comment section and main articles are a breeding ground for generalizations.
Deb Geelsdottir writes:
Joe Nelson writes:
I’m wondering how Deb and Joe feel about the millions of traditional Bible Protestants who aren’t white.
Oh Kurt, I am accepting of all peoples regardless of color, creed, etcetera…I feel nothing but love for them all, including non-white traditional Bible Protestants.
Joe Nelson writes:
Do you feel darker-skinned Protestants are frightened of other ethnic groups, as you say white Protestants are?
Kurt,
As I know you like to be very particular with your logic and word-judo, my response is:
I never said I feel white Protestants are frightened of other ethnic groups. Please do not figuratively put words in my mouth.
XOXO,
Joe
Joe Nelson had written:
Now Joe writes:
(??)
Did you intend for the term “WASPs” to mean something other than white Anglo-Saxon Protestants?
Generally speaking, the name Nelson was originally used to state who a male’s father was in some parts of Northern Europe. For example Ole the son of Nels who was born at Stavanger (a place name often used as a rural address) would be known as Ole Nelsen Stavanger. :-) :-)
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Anglo-Saxon_Protestant
White Anglo-Saxon Protestants (WASPs) are a social group—of typically wealthy and well-connected white Protestants, usually of British descent—in the United States. The group dominated American society, culture, and the leadership of the Republican party until the World War II era. They are well placed in major financial, business, legal, and academic institutions, and had, in the past, close to a monopoly on elite society due to intermarriage and nepotism.
Kurt,
Firstly, I made a statement that neither indicated I “thought” or “felt” a certain way regarding fear of minorities, so it would be inaccurate for you to state that I said “I feel” regarding WASPs fearing minorities.
Secondly, I specifically mentioned WASPs, which is a subset of “white Protestants”, so again your statement was in accurate as it was expanding my original statement to the entirety of white Protestantism.
I think, based on historical and modern evidence, that WASPs are afraid of minorities for a multitude of reasons. As for “darker-skinned”, you will have to be more specific, as I am unclear on what you mean by that. Does this include WASPs with a tan?
Rough Rider,
I hale from a long line of Vikings. At one point, a Nelson came over from Norway and adopted the normative naming conventions of America.
Joe Nelson writes:
You said, “It’s the WASPs that are frightened of minorities, not us Catholics,” and it’s dishonest of you to suggest I’ve stated otherwise.
I didn’t say you said all white Protestants are frightened of other ethnic groups, but when you say “WASPs … not us Catholics,” it definitely sounds like you’re trying to draw a contrast with Protestants in general.
Of course not. Do you feel non-WASP Protestants are frightened of other ethnic groups?
Is it “butt-gig” or “butti-geig” or “bitter-gigger” – oh well, not important.
The real question on everyone’s mind is this ..
Do you prefer white or brown sugar? Because, after all, white or non-white preference is a very good barometer of propensity for racism.
#facepalm
Oh. Wow. Ellis Island Medal of Honor:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_honors_and_awards_received_by_Donald_Trump
Kurt,
In the set of all people, there are subsets of WAS Ps and non-WAS Ps. Within each subset, there is another subset of “those who are frightened of other groups”.
I would be willing to make the statement “For every group or subset of people, there is at least one person in that group that is frightened of the “other ethnic groups””.
I would be willing to make the statement “For every group or subset of people, there is at least one person in that group that is not frightened of the “other ethnic groups””.
Therefore, no group or subset of people is completely and entirely frightened or not frightened of “other ethnic groups”.
All that being said, I am thoroughly enjoying and getting a kick out of this whole thread to include your persnicketiness over a statement made that was obviously outrageous, and your futile attempts to ensnare me in a logic trap.
Interesting lower court decision on riot boosting as reaction to recent white power, nazi, militia and fight club confrontations like Berkeley CA, Charlotteville VA and 2012 Charlotte NC.
https://www.presstelegram.com/2019/06/03/los-angeles-judge-dismisses-all-riot-charges-against-3-members-of-reputed-white-nationalist-group/amp/
Another interesting observation: Most powerful Republican: Mitch McConnell revenge moments — 1) 80’s Borke hearings: “Dems will rue the day”. 2) “My priority is to make sure Obama is just a one-term president.” 3) “My most important achievement: Denying Obama’s supreme court justice nomination, as Speaker.”
Quite a guy. Role model to john thune, his syncophant no. 2 and primary enabler of trump.
Kurt Evans – Question: I wonder how you feel about the changing demographics of the USA? Do they trouble you?
I know plenty of racist Catholics.
How the latest Catholic pedophilia scandals going, Joe?
debbo said “Does my heart good to see the ‘pasty privileged class’ frightened.”
Do you realize that you are in fact a member of cory’s pasty privileged class? Are you frightened? No? Neither are most caucasians. A small group of racist people might be nervous about changing demographics, but it is a very small minority and their beliefs don’t represent the beliefs of most white folks – as the numerous white commenters already evidenced with their inclusive support of all races on this blog.
The comfort level on this blog with racial generalizations about white people is stunning.
Rhyan chastises the blog for generalization while generalizing himself. I believe the Republican Party is severely afraid of minorities becoming majorities. The GOP is hardly a small, white group. Read Power’s white victim hood blog and you’ll see South Dakota white hate and fear of non-whites expounded daily.
porter, if you assume that all republicans think like the extreme crazies on a radical republican blog, you are nuts. Just like most liberals aren’t as radical as the irrational and fantastical liberals who often comment on this blog.
Kurt and Ryan, don’t ever change. 😆😆😆
Silly thing to say, since I am aware neither of you intend to.
rhyan is crazy to think I’m nuts. The party that supports the sociopath they elected President is far more extreme than I exposed. But, ryanan … your opinion is as valid as anyone’s.
debbo, you didn’t answer my question. Are you aware that cory believes that you are a privileged pasty?
This is for my pal Kurt and anyone else interested in religion. In addition, ETs are most definitely minorities on Earth, I think. Could be another skin color, little green people?
“Diana Pasulka, a professor at the University of North Carolina and author of the new book American Cosmic, belief in UFOs and extraterrestrials is becoming a kind of religion — and it isn’t nearly as fringe as you might think.
“More than half of American adults and over 60 percent of young Americans believe in intelligent extraterrestrial life. This tracks pretty closely with belief in God, and if Pasulka is right, that’s not an accident.
“Her book isn’t so much about the truth of UFOs or aliens as it is about what the appeal of belief in those things says about our culture and the shifting roles of religion and technology in it. On the surface, it’s a book about the popularity of belief in aliens, but it’s really a deep look at how myths and religions are created in the first place and how human beings deal with unexplainable experiences.”
http://bit.ly/2ESmvCr
Oh Ryan. What a silly question. I’ve always known I’m one of the pasty people. Cory and I have met, so we’re both aware of our pastiness. 😁😁
What differentiates us from the pasty people Cory refers to in this post is that we’re not afraid of becoming a minority to POC because we’re not afraid of them. Ignorant and/or racist pasty people are afraid and tend to complain vociferously about POC, though they try hard to hide their fear under many guises, outright denial being one of the favorites.
There are real things I’m afraid of. Generic POC are not among them. You need not be afraid of them either.
where do you come up with this tripe ryan?: “most liberals aren’t as radical as the irrational and fantastical liberals who often comment on this blog.” I don’t know any liberals like this. And I run with the pack west river. quote an example with context.
look at any of john dale’s posts. He comes up with the same kind of pappy sappy crap.
btw, why do you keep fighting above your weight against Debbo? Are you not aware she cleans your clock every time?
Good one, Leslie. tripe – pappy sappy crappy – above your weight class … brilliant
debbo, I’m not afraid of any person based on skin color. I’m all for the growth of diversity in ethnic and racial makeup of this country. The majority of the population of this country or my city being caucasian is not important to my values in any way and I won’t have any negative feelings when that majority soon ends at the hands of migrants and immigrants. I’m all for it. None of that addresses cory calling all white people the pasty privileged class. You appear to be white. You are in that group. You then say you like when that group is frightened. I just don’t get how you’re able to see the group as separate from yourself. Denial is indeed a fan favorite coping mechanism.
Leslie, you are quite overdramatic. I doubt I’m the first person to tell you that and I’d bet my last dollar that I won’t be the last. Feel free to agree with debbo if you want to, it’s a free country, but you are enabling a person with minimal grip on reality who is proudly discriminatory based on race and gender. Consider me happy not to be in your peer group as far as morality and politics go.
ryanan continues to describe himself by what he wants to be. His posts for years, however display someone of nearly opposite attributes. Psychologists have a clinical term for that. Know what it is, rylow?
“I just don’t get how you’re able to see the group as separate from yourself.”
I know Ryan, I know. All or nothing thinking makes many things confusing.
IMHO, most commenters are not aware of the “White Privileges” they have. https://cpt.org/files/Undoing%20Racism%20-%20Understanding%20White%20Privilege%20-%20Kendall.pdf
The definition of Race based in Skin Color is an artificial construct used to create a “Class” based economy. “Races are assumed to be distinguished by skin color, facial type, etc. However, the scientific basis of racial distinctions is very weak. Scientific studies show that racial genetic differences are weak except in skin color.” https://www.diffen.com/difference/Ethnicity_vs_Race
My 2Ȼ
Ryan needs to scroll up and read Cory’s original post. He’ll learn that Cory did not call anyone “pasty privileged”, the article Cory presented used that term.
No, Roger, I did use the term “pasty privileged class.” It’s in my link to the Masnick article, but who else around here is going to offer you such concise and cleverly alliterated critique? :-D
Debbo hits the question of our pastiness right on the head. Debbo and I recognize that we enjoy privilege all over South Dakota and the United States by dint of our skin color. Even when I’m in my full summer tan, there are many places we can go about our business without drawing any of the hard stares and suspicion that our minority neighbors draw. Even if race is a scientifically dubious distinction, as RR notes, it is socially powerful and practiced every day. The pasty privileged class is nervous because of that dubious distinction, because they can’t grow up and be comfortable with a world in which a majority of the people around them don’t affirm their identity by being the same color as they are.
As Joe Nelson cleverly side-critiques our generalizations, I will hazard another generalization: I posit that the percentage of Catholics who are not alarmed by non-white folks’ impending minority status across America, as admirably high as that percentage may be among our socially just papists, is not as high as the percentage of brown folks who are not alarmed by our changing demographics.
South Dakota Catholics are a weird bunch. They control Pierre. They control business and given their choice, they’d control you. Across America that church is the home of poverty, brown immigrants, tolerance and altruism. SDCatholics give Faith a bad name.
What if they are white supremacysts? You can find out with this handy guide
hahttps://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/05/29/army-guide-spot-right-wing-extremists-warns-identify-patriots/
Excellent 411, MFI. As usual, you’re ten steps ahead of me. I was researching how the label patriot is “dog whistle” for white supremacy. The chart from the British Army has all we need to know.
Thanks, Porter. I can’t contribute much of anything in the way of finances, but I can link some good reading and hopefully add a bit of humor, as well. :)
Thanks for the excellent link Mike.
The British Army’s most senior officer, Sargent Major Glenn Houghton summed up the Army’s feeling on XRW, “extreme right wingers,” in two words– “Get out.”
Perfect. XRW in the US need to hear the same message from this nation– “Get out.” In 2021 they will.
Joe Nelson had written:
In a subsequent comment, Joe had written:
I’d asked Joe:
Joe writes:
After I’d asked you to elaborate on your initial statement, you didn’t say it was “obviously outrageous.” You doubled down with the second statement I’ve quoted above.
Are you renouncing both of them?
Kurt,
I renounce nothing except the following;
1. Satan
2. His works
3. His pomps
Stop trying to logic trap me, it won’t work and is of the Devil (see 2 above).
Well I would certainly hope you would renounce all the pedophillia in your church, Joe.
You’re the one that brought your church into it with a childish comment.
Jenny,
See 2 above.
Joe
Why don’t you just say it what it is- organized pedophilia. Is the RCC prohibiting members from talking about their sick pedophilia secret?
You can never get a Catholic to talk about it, never. Why aren’t the millions of Catholics openly protesting for CHANGE in their church? Why aren’t they disgusted?
I can never figure that out either Jenny.
If the RCC is killing Priests that speak up Jenny it’s no wonder Catholics are afraid to say anything.
– “Whistle Blowing Clergy in the Roman Catholic Church Risk Their Careers and Their Lives to Reveal the Truth About Child Sexual Abuse” –
https://healthimpactnews.com/2018/whistleblowing-priests-killed-to-prevent-exposing-pedophilia-problem-in-the-catholic-church/
Jenny,
You don’t know me, a lot of people like to pigeon-hole me when it comes to what I think or believe. So you have no idea what I have done publicly or privately to denounce the scandal that is ongoing within the Roman Catholic Church.
To answer your question, there are millions of Catholics openly protesting for change in the Church, and they are disgusted. There have been Cardinals who are writing open letters to the Pope denouncing other Cardinals. You have theologians banding together to call for change in the hierarchy. A friend of mine went so far as to tape a letter to the front door of the Cathedral here in Honolulu, calling for the Pope to resign over all of this.
I am sorry if this blog’s combox has not been a repository for Catholic outrage. I will gladly point you in that direction, if you feel so inclined to read:
Here is Supreme Knight Carl Anderson, one of the most prominent Catholics in the US: https://www.kofc.org/en/resources/communications/supreme-knight-letter-to-chaplains.pdf
You could read forever all the articles and combox comments featuring the outrage and call for change at the following Catholic websites:
http://www.ncregister.com
https://www.catholic.com
https://www.firstthings.com/
https://www.patheos.com/catholic
https://aleteia.org/
So, you have now met the FIRST Catholic in your life that is willing to engage you about the topic of pedophilia.
Why do some Catholics refrain from talking about it? Because they too often run into anti-Catholic bigotry. When I have tried to engage people, I often find that they are just argy-bargy angry, with many preconceived notions and prejudices about the RCC, and just want to see it burnt to the ground.
Porter, how reliable is Health Impact News, do you know? I’m unfamiliar with it. Sources for the article included some sound ones like NPR, Wapo and The American Conservative. But Church Militant? What’s that? A YouTube channel?
It’s written by one guy, “Gary Michael Voris, STB is an American Catholic pundit, author, and apologist.” He may do sound research and what he says may be true. Even though it sounds likely to me, he’s an unknown source so I’d like more info before I take Church Militant at its printed or videotaped word.
RE: RCC, Can we close this Can of Worms and Move On? :-)
I dearly wish we could, but Vatican Inc., the World’s Largest Children and Women Sex Trafficking Ring, is hardly slowing down.
Debbo … It’s reliability is unknown to me, at this time. However, if it puts the fear of Rome in the common Catholic it serves the Vatican’s overall objective. To silence, misdirect and control the discussion of pedophilia and the coverup of pedophilia among Bishops. As always the RCC is all about money. Money controls their stance on women’s rights and the same with this coverup of relocating pedophile Priests. Imagine the money they rightfully owe thousands of victims and their families in restitution. They can’t acknowledge the truth, although Jesus certainly would direct them to.
Debbo … I did a fact check on Health Impact News and it fully unbelievable. But, if it scares the Priests, the Priests will avoid discussion.
Thanks Porter.
I agree about the filthy RCC hierarchy.
IMHO we should stick to Politics. :-)
I know you all are having fun dragging the RCC through the mud, but don’t be to quick to crucify your strawman. A lot of Dioceses in the US are owning up to the misdeeds, paying out money, and even going bankrupt. The era of covering things up, moving bad priests around, is finally coming to an end.
Nelson… Do you think it’s fun for us to point out your church’s faults? We’re not Catholics and we don’t derive enjoyment from schadenfreude (other peoples suffering). That’s your game. And, to address your flimsy excuse, why is the felony crime of child molestation dealt with by paying money instead of sending Priests and Bishops to court and then prison? Any other person is judged in court, not allowed to judge each other.
Joe, I don’t think it’s fun at all. I think it’s nauseating, but keeping quiet about it allows abuse to continue. I wish that “covering things up” era was over, but it’s not.
You are right that some dioceses are doing the right thing, however bankruptcy is not one of them. Bankruptcy is how they protect their assets from their victims and limit how much help those victims can get.
Prior to retirement I worked with many survivors of sexual abuse. I learned that it is a very expensive lifelong process. One of the outcomes for the children is that their expected lifetime income is decreased. The amount courts are forcing dioceses to dole out will fall far short of meeting their needs.
If the RCC was really serious about ending the abuse of children and women they would first insist that all victims report the crimes directly to the police, rather than keeping it inside the church. Second, they would open the Vatican’s vast wealth to create a big pool of money and have a set amount per year for each victim that advocates would consider adequate to meet their needs. Third, they would vigorously lobby all governments where there are dioceses to eliminate the statute of limitations for criminal charges of rape or sexual assault.
Instead, the RCC is doing the exact opposite of those things. They are protecting their wealth first, last and always. The “problem” of clerical sexual abuse of children and women is that it became public.
Imo, it the the job of everyone who cares for the victims and has a passion for justice, to not let these horrible crimes slip from the public eye. I am obviously one of the people who has both those attributes. Not everyone does and that does not necessarily make them uncaring, though too many are.
[End of speech.]
Lansing,
I think Debbo and others take bittersweet enjoyment. Making fun of Catholics is easy, because we are an easy target.
As for holding priests accountable for their crimes, I am not a cop and neither are you (I am assuming). All of these cases should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. If our craptastic legal system is to f’d up to handle child molestation cases from more than 20 years ago, that is not the fault of the RCC, that is on the US justice system. So for a lot of victims, there will be no criminal justice, but they can at the very least receive some for of justice. For newer cases, priests are being arrested and taken to jail, such as the priest from Philadelphia. That dude is going to go to jail for a very long time.
You all have blinders on, or are willfully ignorant, because it seems to be a lot more fun to setup a strawman RCC than to actually look at what is being done.
So does that answer your question about jail vs. money, or are your going to continue to live in your cave?
Debbo!
I think your ideas are great, and would go a long way towards ameliorating the issue.
Joe
Excuse me, Nelson for not realizing that you and your church’s coverup of pedophilia is the real victim. Your Male Catholic False Victimhood is most of the problem.
Lansing,
WTF are you talking about? Now we’re roping me being male into this too? No one is crying victim for the RCC, I am just saying they are an easy target to make fun of. Do you disagree?
I have never covered up pedophilia, nor have the majority of Catholics. It has been a cadre of evil idiots in positions of power. At least Debbo is willing to engage her brain on this, and identify issues and ways to correct it. Have fun living in your hate-filled cave.
Calling yourself and your church an “easy target” is classic false victim hood. The Catholic Church is a male misogynistic organization and pointing that out by referencing the word “male” is fully proper.
Accusing me of enjoying your guilt is just another example of your false victim hood.
Don’t get angry. Get real.
Easy target to blame the it on the US Justice System, Joe. How about the Vatican, can’t go there either, Joe? If you Catholics would at the least show some anger and disgust at your Church and demand change we would respect that. Instead the SD Supreme Court rules against expanding the Statute of Limitations. Instead the Vatican cover ups continue and nothing happens. This recovering Catholic is glad she got the hell out of there.
This extremely well-written Sojourners article makes crystal clear a Christian’s obligation to refugees. It’s a report on the trial of the NGO aid providers in Arizona. They are Christian folks who understand their calling to provide water, food and respite to anyone in need, regardless of politics.
Biblical support is clear, as is Christ’s directives to his followers. It’s not just for the GOP or Wilted Weenie and his deministration, but anyone who resents and wishes to punish the refugees for being refugees.
https://shar.es/a0CWWt
Jenny, I don’t expect Vatican Inc to change until the $ starts to shrink. That’s the people in the pews and government aid programs that are distributed through the RCC.
For example, US aid to El Salvador may be distributed through RCC offices in ES. The RCC will keep the $ within the church, giving it only to members. Some other churches may do that, but not many. I know that because I’ve heard it directly from NGO aid workers who have been on the ground and seen the RCC do it.
Greed is the Prime Directive of Vatican Inc.
Aaaaaand it continues, in Texas at this moment.
Monsignor Frank Rossi was Cardinal DiNardo’s former deputy. He was counseling (riiiiight) a vulnerable woman about her troubled marriage, hearing her confession and having sex with her. She decided that the relationship had to stop and talked to whoever ranked above Rossi about it. They investigated (riiiiight) and transferred Rossi to another parish. Well, there you go. That should fix everything
The woman went to the cops. Rossi was suspended. The archdiocese says that it is cooperating with the investigation, and that the relationship was consensual and did not involve intercourse. (Riiiiight.)
Hold onto your hair, because here’s the kicker:
“The case is significant because DiNardo heads the U.S. Catholic Church’s response to the clergy sex-abuse scandal, which exploded anew last year worldwide. As president of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, DiNardo will lead a meeting next week of U.S. bishops to approve new measures for accountability over abuse.”
One last item. When the Galveston archdiocese investigated (riiiiight) they never asked her if sex was happening.
Good old RCC.
http://strib.mn/2ZcINq3
RCC is an easy target?! White Male False Victimhood is an easy explanation, more like.
Joe Nelson had written:
Asked to elaborate, Joe had doubled down:
I’d asked:
Joe replies:
Is that a yes then, Joe? You seem to be saying non-WASP Protestants are frightened of other ethnic groups just as you say WASPs are.
Joe continues:
I’m wondering whether you studied logic and set theory when you were a student at SDSU, because I did when I was, and what you’ve written here looks to me like a mess.
If there are people who aren’t frightened of other ethnic groups, then there are multiple subsets of people who aren’t frightened of other ethnic groups. As obvious examples, each of those people individually constitutes a subset of all people. So does any pair of them, and so does the set containing all of them.
I’m pretty sure you ensnared yourself there.
Would you say your claims that Protestants are frightened of minorities, and that Catholics aren’t, fall into any of those categories?
Is that official Catholic doctrine, or are you freelancing now? Why would you say your own appeals to logic are acceptable, but mine are of the devil?
The only things that can be trapped by logic are lies and those who tell them.
“minimal grip on reality” ryan? I would say strong female opinion, rather. Those who know her here would disagree. So i ask again where do you come up with this bogus thinking?
Porter, my fav movie quote: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-ECyX8A3iP0
Kurt,
I am responding to this as a courtesy, so that you have no reason to anticipate any further responses or participation from me. No one cares, except for you, for this tit-for-tat you and I have here. I have no desire to continue it.
Thank you Joe Nelson.
Good one, Leslie :0)
debbo, wish I could give you a like on the “does my heart good” post. Swift, concise, to the point, (arrow in the heart, if I can go that far). And a lot of others.
Thanks to Robin, Leslie and the rest of you good women and men with a brain and heart.
Ryan has big issues for sure and is well practiced at denial. For reasons only known to him, he’s decided that attacking me will make him feel better. Apparently it’s not working for him. I’m glad I’m not him.
Speaking of generalization, In my long-term experience, both politically involved at a national level, and personal, conservative Republicans have ALWAYS been fearful of minorities. I remember a sweet, 90+ year-old lady who never seemed otherwise racist, speaking to me of “Negroes” and “I’m afraid they’re just going to take over, aren’t you?” This was many years ago, probably 40 to 50, in MLK days. In my mind, this attitude always harks back to “I’m afraid someone’s going to get something that belongs to me, or SHOULD belong to me or OUGHT TO belong to me.” And that harks back to selfishness and that harks back to fear.
Again speaking of generalization, not all farmers voted for Trump. And not all who voted for Trump were farmers. Indeed, if I were a wagering person, I’d wager that most who voted for Trump lived in cities, towns and suburbs, and probably not self-employed.
Nope, Vatican Inc. isn’t the only children and women molesting and abusing denomination, just the worst at it, and the best at the coverup aspect.
“articles by the Houston Chronicle and San Antonio Express-News asserting that hundreds of Southern Baptist clergy and staff have been accused of sexual misconduct over the past 20 years, including dozens who returned to church duties, while leaving more than 700 victims with little in the way of justice or apologies.”
The annual SBC convention is just beginning and sexual abuse is at the top of their agenda for all attendees to work on. It’s not an issue that’s hushed that only top level hierarchy address. They want victims to report these crimes to police. Kudos to the SBC.
Their other big issue, which is very likely to reduce instances of abuse, is ordaining women. The hierarchy wrongly still wants to fight this one.
Strib paywall. http://strib.mn/2EYFoU8
Joe Nelson writes:
Would you say your claims that Protestants are frightened of minorities, and that Catholics aren’t, fall into any of those categories?
It isn’t just a tit-for-tat. It’s a discussion of a very important topic. Jenny and “Rough Rider” apparently care about it enough to have weighed in with their comments, and you’ve responded at least a half dozen times, albeit evasively.
I’m asking a straightforward yes-or-no question, and you’re dodging it, presumably because at some level you know your claims are lies.
Reverend William Barber does a very good job here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeBUcmo6C80
trumpistanis (fill in the blank of what so called religions they are)are terrified for sure. They know that their “Got Mine” situation is being threatened by their imagination. Instead of working together to make a better world, they use religion, as false justification, to hold it back for their own pocketbooks. Greed is the common denominator as always.
Sometimes Kurt, you just wear people out and they get bored with you as it might take days for you to respond and by that time, most folks have moved on. But calling someone a liar, does not make your case, instead, it cheapens it.
Kurt channels Josh Hawley from Missouri, the afterbirth of trumistanis.
“To start moving America in a new, pro-family direction, in line with the Constitution and Christian morality, “we have to take a stand right now,” Sen. Josh Hawley (R-Mo.) told a conference of pastors on Thursday in Washington, D.C.
“If we’re willing to fight now, it really is going to change the trajectory of this country in the next 40 or 50 years,” he told the Watchmen on the Wall conference gathered at the Family Research Council. “But this is the time and this is the hour. We cannot wait for a later time. We can’t wait for a later date. This is it. We have to take a stand right now.”http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/06/josh-hawley-could-be-the-face-of-the-post-trump-right.html
Joe Nelson had written:
I’d asked Joe:
“jerry” writes:
It seems to me that Joe has probably been evading questions here because at some level he knows his claims are lies and because he’s afraid of being ensnared in what he calls a “logic trap,” not because he’s worn out or bored.
Would you say an assertion that Joe’s claims are lies cheapens my case if I’m making the case that Joe’s claims are lies? In any event, I don’t believe everyone who’s ever published lies can appropriately be called a liar, and so far I haven’t called Joe one.
Richard Schriever writes to me:
Sometimes a little, but I’d say our rapidly changing racial demographics pose a much smaller long-term threat to the stability of American society than our rapidly changing religious demographics do.
Deb Geelsdottir writes:
UFO cults have always been a kind of religion, and they’re typically centered around the same basic ritual as most other false religions. A spirit medium goes into a trance and channels messages from one or more demons. It’s just that in this case the communicating entities traditionally claim to be from other planets.
Of course, Deb seems incapable of considering the possibility that Christians would reject those messages for any reason except that they don’t originate from old white guys.
Learn more about UFO/ET cults here:
https://creation.com/ufos-not-extraterrestrial
Oh Kurt, your paranoia is showing. I said nothing about old white men or how Christians feel about UFOs. Really, get a grip son.
Now, I’m not going to play your back and forth with endless quotes diversion. Go ahead and declare complete and utter victory and go home. It’s the trumpian thing to do.
Debbo there comes a point when all you can really do during a debate or discussion is to allow someone to just go on being wrong.
Deb Geelsdottir writes:
Around 13 hours ago, Deb had written:
https://dakotafreepress.com/2019/05/29/trump-persecuting-christians-for-enacting-their-faith-in-service/#comment-137005
Leslie had written to Ryan:
Ryan had clarified to Deb:
Deb writes:
The comments here from Deb and Leslie seem to display much more denial than those from Ryan.
Debbo is so mean to you and ryan, kurt :)
one day you both may understand she speaks great truth, consistently. with ryan I doubt it. too young and dumb. you ran for governor. “so, there’s that.” (meth lab chemist)
have a great father’s day both of you, seriously
Leslie writes to Ryan and me:
All of my male ancestors died between July of 2001 and July of 2007, and I don’t have any children, but thanks. I’ll try.
Magats, may I happily point out your immediate future when minorities take over…. wasicu slums of South Africa, and it is not a pretty site for you or yer spawns.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ba3E-Ha5Efc
Funniest thing is the Black guy doing the documentary is the only one with any sympathy for whites in this situation.
The 5 Gs are often thought to cause infertility.