Trump Leaves More Kids Uninsured; South Dakota Sees Worst Losses
Published 2018-11-29 by
Cory Allen Heidelberger
A growing economy doesn’t mean jack if it’s not helping people. NPR reports that Trumpistan’s “growing” economy left more children without health insurance in 2017 than had coverage in President Obama’s America:
Why did Trump have to bend this curve?Graphic from NPR, 2018.11.29.
After years of steady decline, the number of U.S. children without health insurance rose by 276,000 in 2017, according to a Georgetown University report released Thursday.
While not a big jump statistically — the share of uninsured kids rose to 5 percent in 2017 from 4.7 percent a year earlier — it is still striking. The uninsured rate typically remains stable or drops during times of economic growth. In September, the U.S. unemployment rate hit its lowest level since 1969.
“The nation is going backwards on insuring kids and it is likely to get worse,” says Joan Alker, co-author of the study and executive director of Georgetown’s Center for Children and Families.
Alker and other advocates for children’s health place the blame for this change on the Trump administration and the Republican-controlled Congress, saying the Republican policies and actions have cast a pall on enrollment in health plans.
The number of children in the United States without coverage rose to 3.9 million in 2017 from about 3.6 million a year earlier, according to census data analyzed by Alker’s Georgetown team [Phil Galewitz, “Number of U.S. Kids Who Don’t Have Health Insurance Is on the Rise,” NPR: Shots, 2018.11.29].
Just remember, the racists only see Native kids that need healthcare so they are okay with denying the very needed medical coverage for all. They never are aware of the vast majority of white kids that are being left out as well. They seem contented with the fact that they get to prove their racism without remorse.
o
I ask my GOP friends: how is this pro-life?
Donald Pay
The Republican solution to the growth in child uninsured rate: DEAD CHILDREN.
Jackly, Rounds and Thune’s Solution: The faster they die, the less the uninsured rate.
Your Republican Party: Who Needs Kids, Anyway?
OldSarg
Guys, it isn’t Trump. The children’s parents decided not to cover their kids with insurance but remember; we are only talking insurance here and you don’t need insurance to get medical care. You can just walk into any clinic or medical center and they will help you. No biggy.
Steve Pearson
OldSarg, they don’t understand rational thought. Beware.
mike from iowa
Clinics and hospitals have to ensure a patient is stable and then they can ship them off to a non-profit somewhere to get care.
You can go into an emergency room, in most places, and get expensive care but OldSquawkbox would be pitching a fit if he is expected to use a few bucks to help pay the expensive bills.
Like usual, OldS is full of it.
Steve Pearson
If you’re going to call Republicans anti-kids you may want to rethink that. It just is ripe with hypocrisy.
mike from iowa
Rational thought as defined by S Pearson- the least amount of time I need to think about something before opening my mouth and making a fool of myself.
Debbo
I was thinking the same thing O. This is pro-life?
Children need prenatal care, early childhood screenings, vaccinations, sometimes prolonged treatment, therapies, dental care, etc.
The cruelty of the SDGOP is sometimes just heartbreaking.
Steve Pearson
Says the guy from “Iowa” that I picture sitting in a chair EVERY day waiting for his govt check.
Steve Pearson
Hey Debbo. If ya gonna champion kids start in the womb. Otherwise hypocrite somewhere’s else.
o
Hey Steve. If ya gonna champion kids don’t end in the womb. Otherwise hypocrite somewhere’s else.
Steve Pearson
LOL, yeah I didn’t say we shouldn’t. You hypocrite’d….sorry. Nice try though.
mike from iowa
Says the guy from “Iowa” that I picture sitting in a chair EVERY day waiting for his govt check.
Pretty dumb, even for you. Not that i expected anything better. Government check only comes to the bank one day a month. Why should I sit around waiting for it the rest of the month? Something only a clewless wingnut can answer, I’ll bet.
Great retort, O.
o
Steve, I must have missed your post above where you condemned this GOP anti-life policy toward children’s health. Please, allow me to retract my earlier statement WHEN YOU ENDORSE GUARANTEED HEALTHCARE FOR ALL.
Rorschach
Somebody remind me. Do Thune, Rounds and Noem get government-funded health insurance?
jerry
Good point Mr. Rorschach. They get coverage as well as their dependents, birth control too. Those girls are lucky but we should not count on luck to have healthcare and all the things that go with it for our security.
OldSarg
Rorschach, they pay for their insurance just like all federal employees. The parents of the children mentioned above have the same choice.
moses6
Thune is only worried about his fat retirement and not doing anything.Maybe go to a few basketball games and do photo ops.Maybe tell yuo how tough you ar ein South Dakota.Bottom line he is only worried about himself.
moses6
Rounds about like photo op Thune all show no go.Hows my retirement coming.
W R Old Guy
It’s a bit misleading to say members of congress purchase their own health insurance without mentioning the generous taxpayer subsidy that for the premium.
Most members of Congress are under the ACA and pay 28% of the premium (pre-tax dollars)with the taxpayer paying the other 72%. Dental, Vision and Long Term are not covered nor subsidized.
Great link W R Old Guy, Yes, these folks have it mandatory, I believe, and it also has birth control coverage for all. The ACA is great coverage for all, including members of Congress. The kiddies also get dental and vision as well. But here and the rest of the country, children suffer from the neglect of health care, dental care and vision care.
Debbo
Steve, I did mention the womb.
“Children need prenatal care,”
Prenatal means before birth. I also referred to care after birth and through various life stages. I guess I’m ultra pro-life. 😁
Donald Pay
I remember back to the 1990s, when the CHIPs program was in the Legislature for approval. The Children’s Health Insurance Program was passed in Congress to provide money to assure health coverage to children whose families were too well off to qualify for Medicaid, but still couldn’t afford health insurance. It works on a sliding scale, so the costs to parents increases gradually as income increases.
The state governments had to authorize the program through legislation. This was back when there were a lot of good women (both Republicans and Democrats) in the Legislature, and they were pushing hard to get this program authorized. They got Gov. Mickelson to come aboard, but there was some question about whether Republicans would agree to authorize the program. I think it did take till one of the last days of the Legislature, but that program passed.
There are other programs for women who are pregnant. They can get good pre-natal care.
I actually think most Republicans support these programs, just as they now have come to support most provisions of the ACA. It is mainly the conservative ideologues, the money boys and the nutcases who think stripping children and pregnant women of health care is a great idea.
This is personal to me since my daughter was on CHIPs for a couple years. Children were not Republicans or Democrats, conservatives or liberals. They are humans and they all deserved to have health coverage that assures them of good health care.
The distractions of the critics in this thread make clear that they recognize…
1. More uninsured kids is unspinnably bad;
2. Those bad numbers are the fault of Trump and GOP for fighting ACA.
3. These facts make Trump and GOP look bad.
Trump promised “insurance for everybody.” Trump’s definition of “everybody” appears to be narcissistically narrow. Trump’s promises were exactly opposite of his policy results on health care.
OldSarg
Cory, you were wrong in blaming Trump as you clearly know and understand that just as Trump can’t make you buy insurance nor can he make the parents of the children you are so worried about. The false blame, whether is be on buying insurance or calling someone a racist is unprofessional. You can be better than that.
“you clearly know and understand”—now OS resorts to fabricating thoughts in my head. Read the original quote, cited at the top: “…Republican policies and actions have cast a pall on enrollment in health plans.” We know that public policy impacts the choices of individuals. We know that Republicans have tried to to decrease the number of people with insurance. We know that Trump has reduced the resources available to help people enroll in the ACA marketplace.
The reversal in the decline in uninsured children is Trump’s fault.
Deal with facts, OS, not your wishful excuses and personal insults.
OldSarg
Cory what the hell is wrong with you today’s?! Here is YOUR headline “Trump Leaves More Kids Uninsured“ and please enlighten me on what horrible insult I hurt you so badly with. Those we your accusations. Not mine. Your headline was factually wrong and you knew it just to create something to attract a reader. You are better than this.
And notice that I never said you hurt me badly with your insults. That has never happened. I just noted that, once again, unable to muster a good-faith argument, honest questions, or any desire for genuine instructive discourse, you just keep taking potshots, like labeling me as “unprofessional” and persisting with the “you’re better than that” passive-aggressive insult.
You’re unprofessional, OS, and you’re evidently not better than that, but I don’t need to point that out to make the relevant point that you have offered no rational or effective rebuttal to the points I have made.
Donald Trump is responsible for reversing a positive trend. Donald Trump’s policies have left more children going without health insurance and more families with less access to health care. That’s a bad policy outcome and good reason for better health care policy… which Republicans are capable of (remember: Obamacare is really Romenycare when they aren’t blinded by partisanship and Trumpism.
OldSarg
“start the morning by swearing at me” OMG! I used the word “hell”. As an atheist I would think you could not draw insult or hurt form something you don’t believe exists.
Sorry, your headline was crap and you know it. You have got to change your shtick. They have become childish. Maybe you should switch motifs to something like ” Coast to Coast”.
leslie
Rounds loves to talk about the ACA ‘death spiral’. Now he is finessing our bailng out of the Paris Climate Agreement. He has no balls to stand up to Trump. Jackley/Daugaard’s disgusting attempt to kill the ACA with the RAGA attys genl lawsuit is an infamous legacy of SD Republican owned government which ill-equipped, likely incompetent Ravensborg/Noem will continue.
So, when facts support my point (Trump policies –> fewer kids insured, South Dakota leads for badness on this metric), just shout hell and call my facts “schtick”? You lose again, OS.
Jason
Cory,
please list the exact Trump policies that have caused fewer kids to have insurance?
jerry
Parents don’t make enough to qualify for the ACA/Obamacare and make to much to qualify for Medicaid. Tariffs cause much of the issues these days through a hidden tax that is in plain sight. Poor leadership at the state level, in line with the federal level, is another main factor.
Debbo
One of the nastiest parts of the Pootiepublicans/Orange Imbecile plan to destroy Obamacare is shortening the enrollment time, slashing the number of navigators to help people through it and destroying funds to publicize these changes.
Dirty, nasty people bent on making life miserable for as many Americans as possible. Orange Imbecile/Pootiepublicans have no heart, no soul, no morals, no virtue. Shame on them and damn them.
jerry
More on this Ms. Debbo, “Enrollment is down sharply on the federal health insurance marketplace this fall, and the consumer assistance groups that help with sign-ups think they know why.
They don’t have the staff to help as many customers as before because the Trump administration slashed funding. The federal government is spending $10 million this year on navigators who help individuals enroll in coverage. The government spent $36 million in 2017 and $63 million in 2016.” https://khn.org/news/short-on-federal-funding-obamacare-enrollment-navigators-switch-tactics/
Another reason for more kids being uninsured. Thanks trump, you Russian arse.
OldSarg
“Enrollment is down sharply on the federal health insurance” why would anyone buy the federal health insurance when you can get insurance from groups such as Liberty Health for $150/month with no deductibles at all?
W R Old Guy
Liberty Health is a cost sharing program where members pay a monthly membership fee and have qualified expenses paid by the group. There are limitations and caps on the coverage. Liberty Health states on their website that they are not insurance. Their plans start at $199.00
Note that members of Congress get their insurance under the Washington D.C. ACA exchange. They would go back on the Federal Employees Health Benefit Plan (FEHB) if the ACA is repealed with the same 72% of the premium paid by the taxpayers.
I’ll keep my current insurance thanks.
jerry
Got to be a Mennonite to belong. Mennonite’s have always had health plans in South Dakota for as long as I can remember or at least 30 years, whichever comes first. But they have pre existing conditions, so there is that. Go ahead and join the church, they are great folks.
bearcreekbat
OldSarg seems a bit confused again in his assertion about buying insurance “from groups such as Liberty Health” for $150 per month.
A purported financial planner who claims to use these programs, and support and encourage others to use them, has posted information about Liberty and similar programs. According to this apologist, these are not insurance programs and do not provide legally enforceable insurance coverage in exchange for someone’s “monthly share” payment:
Insurance is broadly defined as “a practice or arrangement by which a company or government agency provides a guarantee of compensation for specified loss, damage, illness, or death in return for payment of a premium.” As stated in healthcare sharing program disclaimers, no such guarantee exists.
Insurance is a legally binding contract between an insurer and the insured. As each program will make clear, everything in these programs is ‘voluntary’, and there is no actual binding contract between a member and the program or between members to receive payment.
I don’t know if this claimed ability to arbitrarily deny coverage for medical payments would be upheld in court, but that seems to be the position of this non-insurer when it claims to have no legal obligation to cover any or all of participant’s medical bills from accident or illness. If Liberty can prevail in court on this point and can arbitrarily deny any claim it sees fit with no legal recourse to the injured party or his family, anyone paying “monthly shares” to Liberty is taking quite a gamble.
mike from iowa
I thought this Liberty Health scam was debunked the last time OldShanghairooster brought it up. It is not legally binding.
One last thing, OldSweatsock, Wiki is not a responsible source of info as it can be edited for content by anyone at anytime. Someone like you, for instance.
RJ
Here is what healthcare looks like if you are uninsured or underinsured. I believe in your wealth of unfactual knowledge, OS..you don’t have a clue. If you are an adult or a child with an emergency, sure you can walk into the ER, they will provide you care. You’ll still get a bill you can’t afford, which is why a disproportionate number of Americans file for medical bankruptcy. Cory is spot on in his headline and commentary. OS, Jason, Kurt..I will lend you my badge and stethoscope and send you into patient rooms and you can then report back to me what you have experienced. We have the resources as a country to provide preventative and other care for all, yep.. even kids.
Christian sharing ministries are not insurance but they do qualify to get out of the Obamacare penalty.
Can anyone provide proof where one of these denied paying the expenses for a member?
I am guessing Bear can’t.
o
I’ll start that list:
1) Discouraging participation in the ACA through rhetoric of the bully pulpit and direct administrative actions to make enrollments harder.
2) Allowing CHIP funding to lapse so that providers had to send the message that enrollments and benefits were frozen.
3) Creating an environment of fear for immigrants so that they do not apply for fear of detrimentally affecting their immigration status or even being deported.
Jason
o,
1.That’s not a policy and he didn’t do anything administratively to make enrollment harder.
What only 71 listed? Must be Cory’s fault, right, Troll?
jerry
Jason seems particularly incensed that Cory brings up trump’s shortcomings. Of course, he is always wrong and of course, he is on the paytroll.
jerry
Batter up..and it’s out of the park. A walk on homer on an easy grapefruit slow ball right across the plate.
“The White House is seeking to cut funding from the Children’s Health Insurance Program, known as CHIP, as part of its larger request for cuts to the federal budget in a rescissions package sent to Congress this week.
The request from President Donald Trump includes a $7 billion cut to the popular program, part of $15 billion in overall cuts. Some $2 billion would come from a contingency fund that was created to prevent states from running out of money, with the rest coming from funding that Congress has authorized for the program but states haven’t spent.” https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/08/politics/white-house-chip-funding/index.html
Jason
Jerry,
Did Congress cut funding?
No.
You’re out.
jerry
Home run means a score here in the US. In Russian, it means having to use the outhouse.
Jason
Mike,
These sharing plans have rules. Did those 71 follow them?
Jerry,
You didn’t even hit the ball.
Quit wasting my valuable time.
jerry
jason, as you’re a paid troll, here are 10 reason’s children are left uninsured.
“10 ways the GOP sabotaged Obamacare
trump and Congressional Republicans say the ACA is collapsing under its own weight, but they’ve been dragging it down for years”
Another home run…so quickly too… The Russian bush league better put in a new pitcher, as this weak link is getting hammered!
jerry
Gotta go and have some popcorn while I watch Michael Cohen again and again. What a story. Sorry for all you wannabe fakey manly men who cannot stand at a urinal without the feeling of inadequacy. Poor Jason and the I cannot’s.
jerry
Sorry, here is what is going on for the popcorn approach
“It’s been axiomatic from the start of the Russia investigation that it is different from Watergate in one important way: the crimes that Nixon committed behind closed doors in the White House secretly, Trump is committing out in the open. Repeatedly lying to the American public? Every time Trump tweets or opens his mouth. Obstruction of justice? Firing Comey. Firing Sessions. Calling Mueller’s investigation a “witch hunt” and calling for its end. Tampering with witnesses? Dangling pardons. Engaging in a cover-up of a crime? As he lives and breathes.
But there is one thing Donald Trump and his people have sought to keep secret from the earliest days of his campaign right up to the present moment: their connections with Russians. If, in the past, we thought we knew about most of the Russian contacts, events this week have taught us that we were wrong.” Salon 12/01/2018
Bah Zing!! Mueller is home running this game!
bearcreekbat
Apparently Jason wants me to “prove” Liberty denied an insurance claim. He overlooks the fact that I did not assert they denied any claims, rather, I simply posted a link to information that the author, who wrote that he was a financial advisor, claimed to be factual about Liberty and similar programs. The author also claimed to be enrolled and supportive of such programs, and wrote as an apologist for these programs. If Jason wants the author to prove anything that is okay with me.
I simply gave my opinion that if the author has posted factually correct information, namely, there is no contract nor legal right to coverage for any medical costs from illness or accident, then it seemed quite a gamble giving your money to Liberty and similar programs on faith that they will pay without any legal obligation to pay. If Jason thinks this is a good gamble then that is his perogative.
And to the extent that these Christian companies taking your money actually pay claims, this scheme seems reminisicient of bogus investment schemes that give early investors a return, not with profits but with the proceeds from later investors, to create an image of a lucrative investment opportunity and lure others into investing.
According to the linked article, it appears that the key difference between such so-called Ponzi schemes and this non-insurance plan is that in a Ponzi scheme there is, in fact, a promise creating an enforceable legal obligation to provide a return on whatever investments are made. The breach of that legal obligation through fraud and deceit is what gets people in criminal legal trouble.
Under this Christian medical non-insurance scheme, however, similar criminal liability is apparently sought to be avoided by declaring that no promises are made. Instead, you are told up front and truthfully that they have the legal right to arbitrarily deny any claim you submit if they so choose and thereby give you nothing for your “membership fee” (a/k/a insurance premium).
Along these lines, perhaps the next Christian bargain deal could well be the fellow or group offering investment opportunities, with the stipulation that the investor has no legal claim or right to a return of his investment nor any profits made on that investment. But, don’t worry, even though it has no legal obligation to share in any profits, the company will give Jason a huge return of profits. Jason could even get rich beyond his wildest dreams from this Christian generosity of the people taking his money, rather than from mere secular promises or legal duties. As with the non-insurance scheme, I question whether such a scheme would actually be legal, but it sure seems a logical follow-up to bait believers out of their hard earned money – no legal promises, no legal rights, just some good old fashioned “faith.” If Jason and OldSarg find such an opportunity I wish them both the best of luck.
mike from iowa
Trollo….er I meant Troll, you and OldSferbrains sell these programs where if you just pay your monthl7y fees, everything is taken care of. Like bcb says, they claim right up front they don’t have to pay anything. They, not you, decide if your bills get paid and when.
Admit you are a fraud and quit wasting our valuable time, Troll.
Jason
I’m still waiting Cory.
mike from iowa
17000 Arkansans lose Medicaid due to work requirements.
I think those 17000 should all go to the emergency rooms and put those charges onto the taxpayers of Arkansas. Every time they have a problem, go to the emergency rooms. We need to do that here in South Dakota as well. They have to see you there, so why not use them? Why should people suffer?
$60 dollar Ibuprofen anyone? Entrance fees just to get into the E-room? Sounds like armed robbery with an assist from wingnut pols. That makes it a conspiracy, donut?
Just remember, the racists only see Native kids that need healthcare so they are okay with denying the very needed medical coverage for all. They never are aware of the vast majority of white kids that are being left out as well. They seem contented with the fact that they get to prove their racism without remorse.
I ask my GOP friends: how is this pro-life?
The Republican solution to the growth in child uninsured rate: DEAD CHILDREN.
Jackly, Rounds and Thune’s Solution: The faster they die, the less the uninsured rate.
Your Republican Party: Who Needs Kids, Anyway?
Guys, it isn’t Trump. The children’s parents decided not to cover their kids with insurance but remember; we are only talking insurance here and you don’t need insurance to get medical care. You can just walk into any clinic or medical center and they will help you. No biggy.
OldSarg, they don’t understand rational thought. Beware.
Clinics and hospitals have to ensure a patient is stable and then they can ship them off to a non-profit somewhere to get care.
You can go into an emergency room, in most places, and get expensive care but OldSquawkbox would be pitching a fit if he is expected to use a few bucks to help pay the expensive bills.
Like usual, OldS is full of it.
If you’re going to call Republicans anti-kids you may want to rethink that. It just is ripe with hypocrisy.
Rational thought as defined by S Pearson- the least amount of time I need to think about something before opening my mouth and making a fool of myself.
I was thinking the same thing O. This is pro-life?
Children need prenatal care, early childhood screenings, vaccinations, sometimes prolonged treatment, therapies, dental care, etc.
The cruelty of the SDGOP is sometimes just heartbreaking.
Says the guy from “Iowa” that I picture sitting in a chair EVERY day waiting for his govt check.
Hey Debbo. If ya gonna champion kids start in the womb. Otherwise hypocrite somewhere’s else.
Hey Steve. If ya gonna champion kids don’t end in the womb. Otherwise hypocrite somewhere’s else.
LOL, yeah I didn’t say we shouldn’t. You hypocrite’d….sorry. Nice try though.
Says the guy from “Iowa” that I picture sitting in a chair EVERY day waiting for his govt check.
Pretty dumb, even for you. Not that i expected anything better. Government check only comes to the bank one day a month. Why should I sit around waiting for it the rest of the month? Something only a clewless wingnut can answer, I’ll bet.
Great retort, O.
Steve, I must have missed your post above where you condemned this GOP anti-life policy toward children’s health. Please, allow me to retract my earlier statement WHEN YOU ENDORSE GUARANTEED HEALTHCARE FOR ALL.
Somebody remind me. Do Thune, Rounds and Noem get government-funded health insurance?
Good point Mr. Rorschach. They get coverage as well as their dependents, birth control too. Those girls are lucky but we should not count on luck to have healthcare and all the things that go with it for our security.
Rorschach, they pay for their insurance just like all federal employees. The parents of the children mentioned above have the same choice.
Thune is only worried about his fat retirement and not doing anything.Maybe go to a few basketball games and do photo ops.Maybe tell yuo how tough you ar ein South Dakota.Bottom line he is only worried about himself.
Rounds about like photo op Thune all show no go.Hows my retirement coming.
It’s a bit misleading to say members of congress purchase their own health insurance without mentioning the generous taxpayer subsidy that for the premium.
Most members of Congress are under the ACA and pay 28% of the premium (pre-tax dollars)with the taxpayer paying the other 72%. Dental, Vision and Long Term are not covered nor subsidized.
https://www.greensboro.com/washingtonpost/uncategorized/fact-check-do-members-of-congress-pay-for-percent-of/article_99310c65-0b4d-58b2-8031-25704d7cac82.html
Great link W R Old Guy, Yes, these folks have it mandatory, I believe, and it also has birth control coverage for all. The ACA is great coverage for all, including members of Congress. The kiddies also get dental and vision as well. But here and the rest of the country, children suffer from the neglect of health care, dental care and vision care.
Steve, I did mention the womb.
“Children need prenatal care,”
Prenatal means before birth. I also referred to care after birth and through various life stages. I guess I’m ultra pro-life. 😁
I remember back to the 1990s, when the CHIPs program was in the Legislature for approval. The Children’s Health Insurance Program was passed in Congress to provide money to assure health coverage to children whose families were too well off to qualify for Medicaid, but still couldn’t afford health insurance. It works on a sliding scale, so the costs to parents increases gradually as income increases.
The state governments had to authorize the program through legislation. This was back when there were a lot of good women (both Republicans and Democrats) in the Legislature, and they were pushing hard to get this program authorized. They got Gov. Mickelson to come aboard, but there was some question about whether Republicans would agree to authorize the program. I think it did take till one of the last days of the Legislature, but that program passed.
There are other programs for women who are pregnant. They can get good pre-natal care.
I actually think most Republicans support these programs, just as they now have come to support most provisions of the ACA. It is mainly the conservative ideologues, the money boys and the nutcases who think stripping children and pregnant women of health care is a great idea.
This is personal to me since my daughter was on CHIPs for a couple years. Children were not Republicans or Democrats, conservatives or liberals. They are humans and they all deserved to have health coverage that assures them of good health care.
The distractions of the critics in this thread make clear that they recognize…
1. More uninsured kids is unspinnably bad;
2. Those bad numbers are the fault of Trump and GOP for fighting ACA.
3. These facts make Trump and GOP look bad.
Trump promised “insurance for everybody.” Trump’s definition of “everybody” appears to be narcissistically narrow. Trump’s promises were exactly opposite of his policy results on health care.
Cory, you were wrong in blaming Trump as you clearly know and understand that just as Trump can’t make you buy insurance nor can he make the parents of the children you are so worried about. The false blame, whether is be on buying insurance or calling someone a racist is unprofessional. You can be better than that.
“you clearly know and understand”—now OS resorts to fabricating thoughts in my head. Read the original quote, cited at the top: “…Republican policies and actions have cast a pall on enrollment in health plans.” We know that public policy impacts the choices of individuals. We know that Republicans have tried to to decrease the number of people with insurance. We know that Trump has reduced the resources available to help people enroll in the ACA marketplace.
The reversal in the decline in uninsured children is Trump’s fault.
Deal with facts, OS, not your wishful excuses and personal insults.
Cory what the hell is wrong with you today’s?! Here is YOUR headline “Trump Leaves More Kids Uninsured“ and please enlighten me on what horrible insult I hurt you so badly with. Those we your accusations. Not mine. Your headline was factually wrong and you knew it just to create something to attract a reader. You are better than this.
Now you start the morning by swearing at me and by simply repeating your same evidenceless assertion? I pointed you toward the exact words I said that you seem to think I didn’t say. The researchers provided the stats. Fewer kids are insured. The researchers explain it’s because of Trump/GOP policies. There are weakness in the ACA, like the forced complexity of the marketplaces’ reliance on multiple private providers instead of the sensible route of using Medicare as a public option. But instead of tackling that difficulty by doing more outreach and helping people navigate the system, Trump has slashed the budget and pulled resources that could help people enroll.
There is plenty wrong with me, but there is nothing wrong with my headline, logic, or the evidence presented.
And notice that I never said you hurt me badly with your insults. That has never happened. I just noted that, once again, unable to muster a good-faith argument, honest questions, or any desire for genuine instructive discourse, you just keep taking potshots, like labeling me as “unprofessional” and persisting with the “you’re better than that” passive-aggressive insult.
You’re unprofessional, OS, and you’re evidently not better than that, but I don’t need to point that out to make the relevant point that you have offered no rational or effective rebuttal to the points I have made.
Donald Trump is responsible for reversing a positive trend. Donald Trump’s policies have left more children going without health insurance and more families with less access to health care. That’s a bad policy outcome and good reason for better health care policy… which Republicans are capable of (remember: Obamacare is really Romenycare when they aren’t blinded by partisanship and Trumpism.
“start the morning by swearing at me” OMG! I used the word “hell”. As an atheist I would think you could not draw insult or hurt form something you don’t believe exists.
Sorry, your headline was crap and you know it. You have got to change your shtick. They have become childish. Maybe you should switch motifs to something like ” Coast to Coast”.
Rounds loves to talk about the ACA ‘death spiral’. Now he is finessing our bailng out of the Paris Climate Agreement. He has no balls to stand up to Trump. Jackley/Daugaard’s disgusting attempt to kill the ACA with the RAGA attys genl lawsuit is an infamous legacy of SD Republican owned government which ill-equipped, likely incompetent Ravensborg/Noem will continue.
So, when facts support my point (Trump policies –> fewer kids insured, South Dakota leads for badness on this metric), just shout hell and call my facts “schtick”? You lose again, OS.
Cory,
please list the exact Trump policies that have caused fewer kids to have insurance?
Parents don’t make enough to qualify for the ACA/Obamacare and make to much to qualify for Medicaid. Tariffs cause much of the issues these days through a hidden tax that is in plain sight. Poor leadership at the state level, in line with the federal level, is another main factor.
One of the nastiest parts of the Pootiepublicans/Orange Imbecile plan to destroy Obamacare is shortening the enrollment time, slashing the number of navigators to help people through it and destroying funds to publicize these changes.
Dirty, nasty people bent on making life miserable for as many Americans as possible. Orange Imbecile/Pootiepublicans have no heart, no soul, no morals, no virtue. Shame on them and damn them.
More on this Ms. Debbo, “Enrollment is down sharply on the federal health insurance marketplace this fall, and the consumer assistance groups that help with sign-ups think they know why.
They don’t have the staff to help as many customers as before because the Trump administration slashed funding. The federal government is spending $10 million this year on navigators who help individuals enroll in coverage. The government spent $36 million in 2017 and $63 million in 2016.” https://khn.org/news/short-on-federal-funding-obamacare-enrollment-navigators-switch-tactics/
Another reason for more kids being uninsured. Thanks trump, you Russian arse.
“Enrollment is down sharply on the federal health insurance” why would anyone buy the federal health insurance when you can get insurance from groups such as Liberty Health for $150/month with no deductibles at all?
Liberty Health is a cost sharing program where members pay a monthly membership fee and have qualified expenses paid by the group. There are limitations and caps on the coverage. Liberty Health states on their website that they are not insurance. Their plans start at $199.00
Note that members of Congress get their insurance under the Washington D.C. ACA exchange. They would go back on the Federal Employees Health Benefit Plan (FEHB) if the ACA is repealed with the same 72% of the premium paid by the taxpayers.
I’ll keep my current insurance thanks.
Got to be a Mennonite to belong. Mennonite’s have always had health plans in South Dakota for as long as I can remember or at least 30 years, whichever comes first. But they have pre existing conditions, so there is that. Go ahead and join the church, they are great folks.
OldSarg seems a bit confused again in his assertion about buying insurance “from groups such as Liberty Health” for $150 per month.
A purported financial planner who claims to use these programs, and support and encourage others to use them, has posted information about Liberty and similar programs. According to this apologist, these are not insurance programs and do not provide legally enforceable insurance coverage in exchange for someone’s “monthly share” payment:
https://www.kitces.com/blog/healthcare-sharing-program-review-chm-medicare-lhs-samaritan-health-share-plans/
(italics added).
I don’t know if this claimed ability to arbitrarily deny coverage for medical payments would be upheld in court, but that seems to be the position of this non-insurer when it claims to have no legal obligation to cover any or all of participant’s medical bills from accident or illness. If Liberty can prevail in court on this point and can arbitrarily deny any claim it sees fit with no legal recourse to the injured party or his family, anyone paying “monthly shares” to Liberty is taking quite a gamble.
I thought this Liberty Health scam was debunked the last time OldShanghairooster brought it up. It is not legally binding.
One last thing, OldSweatsock, Wiki is not a responsible source of info as it can be edited for content by anyone at anytime. Someone like you, for instance.
Here is what healthcare looks like if you are uninsured or underinsured. I believe in your wealth of unfactual knowledge, OS..you don’t have a clue. If you are an adult or a child with an emergency, sure you can walk into the ER, they will provide you care. You’ll still get a bill you can’t afford, which is why a disproportionate number of Americans file for medical bankruptcy. Cory is spot on in his headline and commentary. OS, Jason, Kurt..I will lend you my badge and stethoscope and send you into patient rooms and you can then report back to me what you have experienced. We have the resources as a country to provide preventative and other care for all, yep.. even kids.
Good debunking on Liberty Health, readers!
No Trump policies Cory?
If you have none, your article title is false.
Christian sharing ministries are not insurance but they do qualify to get out of the Obamacare penalty.
Can anyone provide proof where one of these denied paying the expenses for a member?
I am guessing Bear can’t.
I’ll start that list:
1) Discouraging participation in the ACA through rhetoric of the bully pulpit and direct administrative actions to make enrollments harder.
2) Allowing CHIP funding to lapse so that providers had to send the message that enrollments and benefits were frozen.
3) Creating an environment of fear for immigrants so that they do not apply for fear of detrimentally affecting their immigration status or even being deported.
o,
1.That’s not a policy and he didn’t do anything administratively to make enrollment harder.
2. Congress controls chip funding.
3. Illegal immigrants don’t qualify for the ACA.
Next batter…..
https://www.bbb.org/us/oh/canton/profile/private-health-services-plan/liberty-healthshare-0282-92006475/complaints
What only 71 listed? Must be Cory’s fault, right, Troll?
Jason seems particularly incensed that Cory brings up trump’s shortcomings. Of course, he is always wrong and of course, he is on the paytroll.
Batter up..and it’s out of the park. A walk on homer on an easy grapefruit slow ball right across the plate.
“The White House is seeking to cut funding from the Children’s Health Insurance Program, known as CHIP, as part of its larger request for cuts to the federal budget in a rescissions package sent to Congress this week.
The request from President Donald Trump includes a $7 billion cut to the popular program, part of $15 billion in overall cuts. Some $2 billion would come from a contingency fund that was created to prevent states from running out of money, with the rest coming from funding that Congress has authorized for the program but states haven’t spent.” https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/08/politics/white-house-chip-funding/index.html
Jerry,
Did Congress cut funding?
No.
You’re out.
Home run means a score here in the US. In Russian, it means having to use the outhouse.
Mike,
These sharing plans have rules. Did those 71 follow them?
Jerry,
You didn’t even hit the ball.
Quit wasting my valuable time.
jason, as you’re a paid troll, here are 10 reason’s children are left uninsured.
“10 ways the GOP sabotaged Obamacare
trump and Congressional Republicans say the ACA is collapsing under its own weight, but they’ve been dragging it down for years”
Source: https://www.healthinsurance.org/blog/2017/05/17/10-ways-the-gop-sabotaged-obamacare/
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Another home run…so quickly too… The Russian bush league better put in a new pitcher, as this weak link is getting hammered!
Gotta go and have some popcorn while I watch Michael Cohen again and again. What a story. Sorry for all you wannabe fakey manly men who cannot stand at a urinal without the feeling of inadequacy. Poor Jason and the I cannot’s.
Sorry, here is what is going on for the popcorn approach
“It’s been axiomatic from the start of the Russia investigation that it is different from Watergate in one important way: the crimes that Nixon committed behind closed doors in the White House secretly, Trump is committing out in the open. Repeatedly lying to the American public? Every time Trump tweets or opens his mouth. Obstruction of justice? Firing Comey. Firing Sessions. Calling Mueller’s investigation a “witch hunt” and calling for its end. Tampering with witnesses? Dangling pardons. Engaging in a cover-up of a crime? As he lives and breathes.
But there is one thing Donald Trump and his people have sought to keep secret from the earliest days of his campaign right up to the present moment: their connections with Russians. If, in the past, we thought we knew about most of the Russian contacts, events this week have taught us that we were wrong.” Salon 12/01/2018
Bah Zing!! Mueller is home running this game!
Apparently Jason wants me to “prove” Liberty denied an insurance claim. He overlooks the fact that I did not assert they denied any claims, rather, I simply posted a link to information that the author, who wrote that he was a financial advisor, claimed to be factual about Liberty and similar programs. The author also claimed to be enrolled and supportive of such programs, and wrote as an apologist for these programs. If Jason wants the author to prove anything that is okay with me.
I simply gave my opinion that if the author has posted factually correct information, namely, there is no contract nor legal right to coverage for any medical costs from illness or accident, then it seemed quite a gamble giving your money to Liberty and similar programs on faith that they will pay without any legal obligation to pay. If Jason thinks this is a good gamble then that is his perogative.
And to the extent that these Christian companies taking your money actually pay claims, this scheme seems reminisicient of bogus investment schemes that give early investors a return, not with profits but with the proceeds from later investors, to create an image of a lucrative investment opportunity and lure others into investing.
According to the linked article, it appears that the key difference between such so-called Ponzi schemes and this non-insurance plan is that in a Ponzi scheme there is, in fact, a promise creating an enforceable legal obligation to provide a return on whatever investments are made. The breach of that legal obligation through fraud and deceit is what gets people in criminal legal trouble.
Under this Christian medical non-insurance scheme, however, similar criminal liability is apparently sought to be avoided by declaring that no promises are made. Instead, you are told up front and truthfully that they have the legal right to arbitrarily deny any claim you submit if they so choose and thereby give you nothing for your “membership fee” (a/k/a insurance premium).
Along these lines, perhaps the next Christian bargain deal could well be the fellow or group offering investment opportunities, with the stipulation that the investor has no legal claim or right to a return of his investment nor any profits made on that investment. But, don’t worry, even though it has no legal obligation to share in any profits, the company will give Jason a huge return of profits. Jason could even get rich beyond his wildest dreams from this Christian generosity of the people taking his money, rather than from mere secular promises or legal duties. As with the non-insurance scheme, I question whether such a scheme would actually be legal, but it sure seems a logical follow-up to bait believers out of their hard earned money – no legal promises, no legal rights, just some good old fashioned “faith.” If Jason and OldSarg find such an opportunity I wish them both the best of luck.
Trollo….er I meant Troll, you and OldSferbrains sell these programs where if you just pay your monthl7y fees, everything is taken care of. Like bcb says, they claim right up front they don’t have to pay anything. They, not you, decide if your bills get paid and when.
Admit you are a fraud and quit wasting our valuable time, Troll.
I’m still waiting Cory.
17000 Arkansans lose Medicaid due to work requirements.
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/national-politics/article223206480.html
I think those 17000 should all go to the emergency rooms and put those charges onto the taxpayers of Arkansas. Every time they have a problem, go to the emergency rooms. We need to do that here in South Dakota as well. They have to see you there, so why not use them? Why should people suffer?
On a related topic for people w/o insurance- https://www.vox.com/health-care/2018/12/18/18134825/emergency-room-bills-health-care-costs-america
$60 dollar Ibuprofen anyone? Entrance fees just to get into the E-room? Sounds like armed robbery with an assist from wingnut pols. That makes it a conspiracy, donut?