On a day when the press is filled with news about a porn star suing Donald Trump over his effort to pay her to keep silent about his affair with her during the first year of his third marriage, Republican U.S. House candidate Shantel Krebs posts about her faith in Trump’s ability to protect family values in America:
Among the “faith leaders” she’s sitting with are Rapid City theocrats and Islamophobia-stirrers Scott Craig, Amy Willson, and Ed Randazzo. If their Christian prayers for family values helped bring us Donald Trump as our moral leader, then Gaia help us all.
Yer so called sincerely held religious beliefs belong either in yer church or yer closet at home. Where they do not belong is in our government as set out by the separation clause.
You may enjoy ignoring the constitution. Standard fare for wingnut pols, but I imagine yer imaginary god takes a less than favorable view of public piosity.
Our constitution is not based on yer interpretation of a book of fiction nor was it written by kristians for kristians.
So, either you take the word of your god literally, and not run for office or you are being less than truthful to yerself and yer constituents.
“Porn Star Sues President of the United States of America”.
Now that’s a headline and family value to be proud of.
What a disappointment Ms Krebs has turned out to be. I guess the thought of power and money makes people do untoward things.
Standing with Trump to restore family values? Um….not only paid prostitute. But the guy is on tape, admitting to being a serial sexual predator, harasser of women. (or as Kristi Noem says, “I don’t always like how he says things….”) Or, how ’bout the comments he made about fellow presidential candidate, Carly Fiorina? “Look at that face! Would anyone vote for that?” Or, how about the comments he made about the women that accused him of sexual assault/harassment? Said that they were too ugly to molest? Comments about Megyn Kelly, Mika Bzinski (sp?), etc.
If Ms Krebs definition of standing beside a sexual predator, sexist, racist, and corrupt individual is restoring family values? Holy crap on a cracker.
“Already this administration has taken meaningful steps towards,” eliminating civil rights, promoting corruption and nepotism, destroying our air and water, damaging our public schools, decreasing our standing in the world … I could go on, but why bother.
I forgot to mention another “family” value: Nepotism.
Here’s this for ethics for Drumpf-some more- https://www.propublica.org/article/trump-inc-podcast-extra-the-trump-organization-ordered-golf-course-markers-with-the-presidential-seal-that-may-be-illegal
Cory: “over his effort to pay her”. . . I’m pretty sure she got paid. . . That’s not the point of the suit. She wants to talk about it. It will boost leftist news channels and the labs will chase another ball.
Since Bill Clinton left office the Old Sarge style Trump supporters have consistently tried to make the Lewinsky scandal headline news even though it had played itself out.
Now that Trump, a well known serial sexual abuser and president of the United States, has been found to have hired a porn star the scandal has become some kind of manifestation of the liberal media.
Sorry OS, CNN, MSNBC, or even Fox Liars didn’t payoff a porn star to keep her silence, Trump did.
What does the phrase “family values” even mean any more if your leader on the issue is Trump? Numerous marital affairs, two divorces, treatment of women like chattel, demeaning women with comments about their appearance, stating his desire to sexually assault women based upon his power, accused by numerous women of misconduct: Trump has all the family values of a herd bull out in the pasture during breeding season. Any politician who touts Trump’s leadership on family values is simply pandering for votes from Trump’s political base and is a prime example of the phony politician denigrating themselves and our political process.
I thought Mr. Tapio was the real Trumpist in this race. I just bet you the superficial Ms. Krebs is pretending to be a Trumpist.
Trump won the election even with his character flaws. Too many to count in my book and why I didn’t vote for him. I think Trump’s victory says more about the Democratic Party than many would like to say or believe. The middle class didn’t buy into the Socialist Progressive movement pushed by President Obama and Clinton would have continued. But hey that’s my take on it.
Shantel had been positioning herself as the more conservative candidate in the race (vs. Dusty), which can be a distinct benefit in a Republican primary. Tapio’s entry into the race has complicated Ms. Krebs’ positioning. There’s no way she can get to the right of him. So her calculation now is that he’s so extreme that his vote total will be marginal, and she’ll still benefit from being the more conservative of the two electable candidates. The question is: Is her willingness to pander now a sign that she will continue to pander if she’s elected, or is it merely something she’s doing to win the primary?
Dusty is running a savvy grassroots campaign, and Shantel doesn’t have the activist support so she’s running an astroturf campaign. It looks to me like Tapio will siphon Shantel’s Trumpist vote and Dusty is going to walk away with this one. I predict he gets 55% in the primary and Shantel and Tapio split the other 45%.
Sarge the networks want to report, but that’s not the point. Trump’s lawyers are admitting that he messed around with Stormy.
Is that ok?
I was mulling over how to say what I had in mind as I read the comments, but I think Dana P said it best:
“If Ms Krebs definition of standing beside a sexual predator, sexist, racist, and corrupt individual is restoring family values? Holy crap on a cracker.”
Yeah. That’ll do quite well. Thanks Dana P.
Donald Trump and “family values” don’t belong in the same sentence. Shantel Krebs is reminding me of Sarah Huckabee Sanders.
What I don’t get you all taunt about Trump and “family values”, yet he still won the election. The problem maybe a bit closer than you would like to admit (if you support the Democratic Party). Instead of pointing to Trump Supporters, why aren’t you looking at what is wrong within the Democratic Party.
Michael, the disconnect between these self-styled values voters and the amoral orangeness of our Lost By Three Million Votes President is well, hard to ignore. How does one hold up the God and Trump cards at the same time and not look silly?
Darin’s right: “family values” is as meaningless a dog-whistle as “pro-life.” Republicans seem to be at war with the language itself, driving us toward the meaningless duckspeak of 1984 in which every utterance really means nothing more than, “I love Big Brother!”
Michael, the Democratic Party isn’t the point here. You want it to be, because, like Trump voters in general, you don’t want to face the fact that you are lying to yourself and to the country. You don’t really think family values matter. You don’t think facts matter. You just want a “President” who affirms your Archie-Bunker impulses and satisfies your craving to bully Democrats, liberals, and anyone who differs from you.
The Democratic Party certainly has its problems. The fact that we could lose to candidates like Trump who so blatantly violate the moral standards they profess on the campaign trail says so. But the failure of the Democratic Party to win elections does not refute Trump’s utter amorality and the utter falsehood of the “Trump is a good Christian leader” claim made by Krebs and her theocrat friends. And our failure to beat Trump certainly does not mean that Democrats should become like you and try to divert attention from Trump’s moral failings and how those failings compromise his leadership and national security.
Cory you would be right if I voted for Trump, I didn’t. Democrats made the bed that created the loss of Clinton and the win for Trump. America already knew Trump’s moral failings before Nov 2016 and he still won. So really any moral issues prior to Nov 2016 are only just things that the voters didn’t care about. I did and voted for Johnson. I found both Clinton and Trump to be immoral. The fact is he is now the President of the United States and represents us all. I support some of his policies and not others very much like Barrack Obama. Imperfect Leader for an imperfect population. If we were a Democracy, you would have a point Curtis, we are not. We are a Constitutional Republic.
Reading Mrs. Krebs’ remarks is scary. Whoever is elected governor, I hope that he or she has a stronger feeling for separation of church and state than for phony conservative “family values”. And that is said as matriarch of an intact family for more than 60 years.
Ms. Friday, congratulations on International Women’s Day, I support you. Regarding trump/krebs family values, the more we know of trump, the more we can compare him to Caligula https://www.yahoo.com/news/miss-universe-moscow-trumps-beauty-contest-spawned-business-deal-russians-bond-putin-100026386.html?soc_src=community&soc_trk=tw We have seen krebs work to tamp down Stormy Daniels, and we will see her defend his pee pee tapes. Evangelicals like krebs, have no family values anymore, those left the barn some years back when they sold themselves to the highest bidder.
By his omissions, Boswell concedes that he is trying to distract us from the central point of this post, that Krebs and her theocrat friends are wrong to say that Donald Trump represents Christian family values.
I can’t see how anyone could say that Trump represents good family values outside of how he treats his children. It is obvious, he has no respect for marriage, but that has never been a prerequisite for being a Christian.
But the real point is this even an issue. It occurred well before being elected for President. Outside that Krebs and Tapio think he represents good family values (I can’t figure that one out, not wanting to judge I think some new glasses are needed on Trumps character.) But even with that Trump was elected. I think the focus for you and other Democrats are why did this happen. You all still sound like your crying in your beer. Me too for that matter. But there is a flaw within the Democratic Platform that caused Trump’s election. And that is for Democrats to figure out. For me as a Republican is to figure out why any “non politician” is better than someone who is with good moral character. Good Luck to you on your search.
Possibly what Krebs is saying is he forwards a “family” values message and platform, but doesn’t necessarily follow it himself. I can see that.
Are you attempting to point fingers at Ms Krebs and say guilty by association? Or hypocritical much? If you are then you only have to look to US Representative Pelosi and you have the poster child for Hypocrisy.
Michael Boswell and Trump loyalists are right about one thing, Trump’s extramarital affair with Stormy Daniels happened over a decade ago so they believe it isn’t pertinent.
What Trump supporters and apologists refuse to acknowledge is that by Trump having his private attorney approach Stormy with hush money to keep the affair secret during the 2016 presidential election, Trump may well have violated federal election laws.
Yesterday, by own admission, he acknowledge the affair by having Sarah Sanders say that “Trump settled this Stormy Daniels matter in arbitration”.
Shantel Krebs has attached her family values support to a president that did not just have an extramarital affair, he may have used campaign contributions to pay for a cover up.
As in the case of Watergate, it wasn’t the break-in that was a crime, it was the extent to which Richard Nixon and his White House went to cover it up.
Michael Boswell,
I see that you may have received a copy of the republican talking points for the mid-terms. They let it slip that they intended to make Nancy Pelosi an issue just as they make abortion and the 2nd Amendment talking points an issue for every election.
Nancy Pelosi is not running for congress from South Dakota, Shantel Krebs is and by her support for the immoral Trump she is indeed “guilty by association”.
Roger Cornelius, The attorney admitted giving the money out of his own pocket. Thus no violations. Not excusing is past character issues, but obviously those who voted for Trump in 2016 it just didn’t matter. That’s a fact
Roger give me a break. Support of family values and limiting abortion is a good thing. Just because Trump doesn’t necessarily follow is not unusual. Krebs is only responsible for her own character not others. The idea is a good one. The desire is strong but the flesh is weak, applies (at least for Trump).
If Krebs is only responsible for her own character why does she attach her little red wagon to Trump who lacks any kind of positive character or morals?
Well it is true that Trump’s lawyer, Cohen, paid the $130,000 in hush money, it is also true that Trump never reimbursed the lawyer.
You have brought up several times that voters didn’t care about Trump’s immoral behavior and voted for him anyway and implying that Democrats were responsible for that. What people voting for Trump and knowing his absence of common decency shows is the lack of moral character of those that did vote for him.
Roger you are putting words in my mouth or what. The voters, who voted, for Trump are responsible for Trump’s win. But there is something deeply wrong with the Democratic Party, I think the focus for all of you should be that. Fixing the problems within, before worrying what is going on with the Republicans. I will grant you that Clinton was an equally flawed Candidate. You still need to find out what in your platform is at fault. I think it is that is based in Socialism and Progressivist. The middle class resists both.
There is no need for me or Democrats to rehash the 2016 presidential election, Robert Mueller must be given time to identify Trump and Putin’s involvement in the hacking of the election.
The Democratic platform for the 2018 mid-term and 2020 general election needs to consist of one word: Trump.
One thing is certain, the Democratic platform cannot be defined by republicans and independents.
Having said that, the topic of this thread is Krebs and her support for a president that is totally lacking in family values with a reputation of having extramarital affairs with porn stars.
Hillary Clinton may have been a flawed candidate, thanks to Putin’s hacking, but I seriously doubt she would have sullied the off of presidency with extramarital affairs with porn stars.
Putin sez the Russkies indicted in America for campaign meddling could stand trial in the Motherland. Sounds like an admission of guilt from Drumpf’s master. There is zero chance Russia didn’t try to manipulate the election, regardless of what Drumpf claims.
Then, just before the election came the announcement about new HRC emails, which turned out not to be new, which narrowed HRC’s lead in the polls enough to tip the election. And never forget Kobach and his tactics of removing legal Democratic voters from rolls all across America.
Dems didn’t lose so much as wingnuts stole the election—– again.
What was it that the Russians found out, Roger? That the DNC actively sabotaged one of their own Candidates (Sanders) in favor of Clinton. There lies the real problem. Not that some Trump campaign members got wind of it. Also remember that Obama tried to manipulate the election in Israel. But I understand some people have short memories.
A good read Roger. Russians found out? They were always involved. Las Vegas 2013 for starters.
” On the evening of June 15, the two Russians and their British publicist were planning a big dinner at CUT, a restaurant located at the Palazzo hotel and casino. Much to their surprise, they received a call from Keith Schiller, Trump’s longtime security chief and confidant, informing them that his boss wanted to join their party. Sure, they said, please come.
At the dinner for about 20 people in a private room, Emin sat between Trump and Goldstone. Aras Agalarov was across from Trump. Michael Cohen, Trump’s personal attorney who acted as the businessman’s consigliere, was on the other side of Goldstone. Also at the table was an unusual associate for Trump: Ike Kaveladze, the US-based vice president of Crocus International, an Agalarov company. In 2000, a Government Accountability Office report identified a business run by Kaveladze as responsible for opening more than 2,000 bank accounts at two US banks on behalf of Russian-based brokers. The accounts were used to move more than $1.4 billion from individuals in Russia and Eastern Europe around the globe in an operation the report suggested was “for the purpose of laundering money.” His main client at the time was Crocus International. (Kaveladze claimed the GAO probe was “another Russian witch-hunt in the United States.”)”
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/03/russian-connection-what-happened-moscow-inside-story-trump-obsession-putin-david-corn-michael-isikoff/
Linky linky on President Obama and Israel. President Obama kind of stands out in Israel…if you know what I mean. LMAO.
Good link, jerry, solid information.
Michael in his comments above claims to be an independent that didn’t vote for Trump, although he does support some of Trump policies.
Michael spends a fair amount of time here defending Trump’s sex and Russian scandal by attempting to deflect and distract with Hillary Clinton and President Obama whataboutisms.
The legitimate news headlines today are as follows:
Stormy Daniels
Trump’s plan to visit North Korea
The Robert Mueller investigation
I intend to remain focused on current events that will hopefully remove Trump from office.
Thanks Roger, now comes news that trumps smarmy lawyer actually used trump org. email account to bribe Stormy Daniels. Mr. Boswell continues to entertain with gobblygook. Obstruction of Justice, oh yeah baby. Add a little bribery to the sauce and you get the krebs/trump platter of the day.
Oh Stormy/trump and krebs pay for play song.
Oh, stormy, oh, stormy, bring back that sunny day
Yesterday´s love was like a warm summer breeze
but like the weather it changed.
Classics IV
Oh, changed it did. Even with a $130,000.00 pay out on top of the others, it changed a lot. Family values, a sawbuck at a time in the back room. Those are the krebs family values.
jerry, if you have the time find and read the Trump/Stormy agreement. It includes a paternity clause that has led to the belief Stormy has a secret child or has had an abortion.
Indeed, Roger what a tragedy for us all, except for the family values crowd. For them, this is exactly the secrets they have been hoarding for years. Now they are able to discuss openly and with pride how they have managed to pull the wool over our eyes like a bunch of sheep herders.
That was mean and uncalled for, Jerry. I love Dennis Yost and the Classics IV even though Yost went to the big microphone in the sky. Traces of Love is my favorite and I show none towards stoopid effing wingnuts.
Roger, here is a link to Stormy’s Complaint, which has the non-disclosure provision attached.
http://www.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/stormysuit.pdf
The language you are referencing is located at the top of page 5 of the attached non-disclosure agreement at Section 4(c). It covers, among other things, Trump’s (a/k/a DD’s)
Thanks bear,
Reading both documents together read like a political thriller. The extent to which Cohen tries to protect Trump is revealing as to how Trump does business.
The question of paternity is still of interest, whether it is true or not, the possibilities exist for speculation.
Thanks again.
Back to the Krebs, Trump, and family values, the past few days have brought out a number of Evangelical preachers defending Trump.
Robert Jeffress of the 1st Baptist Church of Dallas, TX has excused Trump’s sex scandal (he did not deny it), by claiming Trump’s policies are helping America.
This is all very troubling given the fact that 80% of white Evangelicals voted for and continue to support Trump.
The good news is that Evangelicals have forever compromised their claim that they are Christians.
Roger, off topic. I have a standing invite to have coffee with Sam Kooiker in my hometown of Cherokee, iowa (even though I don’t drink the stuff). He is their city manager and I don’t make it a habit to rub elbows with pols. Anything I need to know about him?
:)
I agree Roger, it is quite a read (with all kinds of legalese). Perhaps they will claim the language you referenced is mere “boilerplate” and is put in all of Trump’s non-disclosure agreements (I can’t believe I am even typing this concept regarding the POTUS!).
Anyway, my thanks to you for suggesting we take a look at the document. As you indicated, it reads like an interesting political/suspense novel – what are they actually hiding?
mike from iowa,
I don’t know ‘Mayor’ Sam personally, but I have visited with him on the phone and at a few city gatherings.
I’ve always found him to be quite genuine and engaging. It would be well worth your time to get to know him.
bear, thanks for posting the documents and your comments.
I’m intrigued by the scandals going on with Trump in the same way I was intrigued way back when with the Watergate.
The sadness here is that so many people are getting hurt because of their devotion to Trump and they realize it.
Thanks again.
Thanks, Roger\, He did sound interesting in his email exchange.
Wow Barron could have a little trumpster brother/sister within months of his age. This is even better than President Warren G. Harding…history repeats itself.
Paternity. Holy cow.
I advocate using our collective resources to do good Christian things, and the evangelicals show me, a once-married family man, no forgiveness. Donald Trump directly violates Christian values, and they make excuses.
Mr. mike, you are from Iowa and so is that Sam fellow. You should know Mr. Kooiker is not as swell as he pretends. And, he plays up his disability. Don’t let him throw you. He’s a master of the Iowegian shuffle.
mike from iowa,
Ignore grudz, he hates everybody and anybody that has intelligence. Sam is a good and decent family man.
Well Grudz, I am from iowa and I also am disabled. I doubt either of us will be throwing anything around.
Krebs supports David Denison aka Donald J. Trump, the porn king. trump just got outed by Stormy Daniels as the reason for the $130.000.00 campaign bribe. Krebs sold her soul to the porn master.
Jerry
Porn man plans to sue Stormy for $20 Million in federal court.
Can hardly wait for Stormy vs Trump together in a courtroom.
Here’s the operative phrase in Krebs’ missive reproduced, er…sorry, above: “Under President Trump…” There seems to be a lot packed into that Krebsian slip. The phrase has both a sexual and an authoritarian political connotation, as if the Greatest King of All Time has every right to the go wenching and demand silence from the rape victims or command silence from willing maidens. Stormy and Shantel are alike in many ways. Both have served the King. Stormy we know served him carnally. Shantel, we assume, simply is a political butt plug for Trump. Either way, they are both prostitutes.
Daniel’s lawyer says another 6 women have come forward. Maybe Sessions can fire them.
Stormy Daniels on family values dude, trump. “Stormy Daniels: Yeah. He was like, “Wow, you– you are special. You remind me of my daughter.”
Wow, you remind me of my daughter??? Kind of icky, but Krebs is all good with it.