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Butina’s Russian Gun Group Calls Charges McCarthyism

Judge Deborah Robinson agreed with federal prosecutors that Maria Butina is an extreme flight risk and ordered the accused Russian agent held without bond in jail until her trial in Washington D.C.

Back home in Russia, Butina’s gun organization, Pravo na Oruzhie, likens Butina’s arrest and prosecution to Joe McCarthy’s Red Scare:

Pravo na Oruzhie, Facebook post, 2018.07.18.
Pravo na Oruzhie, Facebook post, 2018.07.18.

Don’t be fooled. Unlike Joe McCarthy, the FBI has lots of evidence, from Butina’s own computer, supporting its claims.

48 Comments

  1. jerry 2018-07-19 11:29

    One thing about our new masters, they know a lot more about American history than the Quislings know. Ask Comrade Jason, Comrade Terry or the Old Soviet about Tail Gunner Joe and they will look as ignorant as they can be about it, because they are. The only way to defeat your enemy is to know them, and the Russians know us well.

  2. OldSarg 2018-07-19 11:55

    Don’t you think it is in the least bit weird that Judge Deborah A. Robinson is also the same judge who presided over the Scooter Libby trial, over the Manafort charges, dismissed the lawsuit brought by the relatives of the Benghazi attack, advised over the ruling Hillary Clinton did not endanger the Libya Ambassador when she communicated his scheduled visit to Benghazi over her unsecured server we now know was hacked and is now presiding over this case as well? Think about it: There are 23,000 magistrates yet this one seems to get all of these high profile trials and charges. . . Just rather strange. . .

  3. jerry 2018-07-19 12:01

    Old Soviet, what is weird is that you think it is weird. She is the federal judge, and these are federal cases. As a good comrade, you are probably thinking, why wouldn’t they find a judge in South Dakota, say a buddy of Comrade Dusty to make the call.

  4. jerry 2018-07-19 12:02

    Old Soviet, another thing that you may have missed, the Judge is Black.

  5. mike from iowa 2018-07-19 12:03

    Russian Embassy officials get to meet with Butina this morning AND, as a bonus -The GOP House voted this morning, 217-199, to zero out election security funding. Minority Whip Steny Hoyer couldn’t believe it: “Surely we can rise above pandering to party and Putin to act on behalf of our freedom and our security.”

    And House Democrats broke into chant of “USA! USA!” (from Crooks and Liars)

    Treason!!!!!

  6. jerry 2018-07-19 12:09

    Old Soviet, one more thing regarding Bengayzee, “Judge Deborah Robinson of the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia ordered Mustafa al-Imam held pending a preliminary hearing on Thursday, the D.C. federal prosecutor’s office said.”

  7. Melissa 2018-07-19 12:13

    Putin’s whataboutism tactics at play here.

  8. jerry 2018-07-19 12:13

    Old Soviet proves that Americans are dumber than an box of rocks and the block headed Russians know that all to well. Thank God for immigrants or we would still be bleeding to death without plasma.

    Here ya go Comrade Old Soviet on who dismissed the law suit. ”

    A federal judge in Washington has dismissed a lawsuit alleging that Hillary Clinton’s lax security surrounding her emails led to the deaths of two of the Americans killed in the 2012 attack on the U.S. diplomatic compound in Benghazi, Libya.

    In a ruling Friday, U.S. District Court Judge Amy Berman Jackson tossed out the wrongful death claims as well as allegations that Clinton essentially slandered the parents of the deceased by contradicting accounts the parents gave of events related to their children’s deaths.”

    See, there are other magistrates and they rule on different cases, not so weird.

  9. Jenny 2018-07-19 12:32

    Let’s see, Would it be Angelina Jolie or someone more like Jennifer Lawrence playing Maria Butina when it’s made into a Hollywood movie?

  10. mike from iowa 2018-07-19 12:35

    Carter Page made a suggesting to swap prisoners with Putin two days before Putin brought it up at Summit.

    Putin would kill to get his hands on Bill Browder and Drumpf probably will allow it to happen.

  11. Cory Allen Heidelberger Post author | 2018-07-19 13:10

    Jenny, I cast Jennifer Lawrence… or maybe Sophie Turner… or Danielle Panabaker… or Dakota Fanning….

    If Paul Erickson cops a plea and stays out of prison, we can cast him in a cameo as McCarthy.

  12. Roger Cornelius 2018-07-19 13:17

    Just as Joe McCarthy was filled with conspiracy theories and paranoia Sarge continues Joe’s scare tactics.
    It is not that unusual for the DOJ to keep the same judge in high profile cases. The DOJ does like to keep similar cases grouped and to have judges that are familiar with cases. Remember that the republican DOJ apparently supported the current judge when they could have dismissed her.

  13. chris 2018-07-19 13:35

    I once had to sit though a 7th grade social studies class in the 1980’s where the guest speaker, one Paul Erickson, talked about fighting commies in Africa. He emphasized that they didn’t know how to use toilets. It was unforgettable and weird. He had bad clown hair back then too.

  14. OldSarg 2018-07-19 14:46

    Cory, I’m not triggered so it’s all ok. The girl was a “spy”. The whole thing about spies is you aren’t supposed to know they are spies. They do it in secret. Kind of like the spies Obama placed in the RNC to spy on Trump but those spies were working for our government to spy on political opposition. Everyone wants to act all offended that the ruskies spied on us but want to ignore it when our government is weaponized and used to spy on our own citizens. We call those people hypocrites. Hypocrites are people who pretend to have virtues, moral or principles that they do not actually have. Kind of like people that get all upset because a foreign country spies on us yet we accept our own country spying on us or someone to says they are fighting for racial equality but in fact work to divide people on race by promoting difference between races.. I guess those are the folks that really trigger me, kind of like most of your lemmings.

  15. leslie 2018-07-19 15:10

    The mob would “use it (SD) for cashflow, cook the books and launder skim through it.”

  16. mike from iowa 2018-07-19 15:13

    Obama placed in the RNC to spy on Trump but those spies were working for our government to spy on political opposition.

    Prove it you pathological, mendacious moran.

  17. mike from iowa 2018-07-19 15:20

    Jerry my friend, you are getting ahead of yourself. That list is over 500 government exhibits for the trial, not indictments, regardless of what the headlines read. OS will attack your integrity and reading ability and accuse me of calling you a liar.

  18. Roger Cornelius 2018-07-19 15:42

    Who did President Obama order to place spies in the RNC, dates, names, agencies, etc.?
    What is the source for this information, Old Sarge?

  19. OldSarg 2018-07-19 15:45

    No mike, I’m not accusing you of calling someone else a liar. Don’t get all bent on such silly things. You’re acting like a child.

  20. Roger Cornelius 2018-07-19 15:49

    Old Sarge.
    Why do you support the evil regime of Putin over the U.S.

  21. OldSarg 2018-07-19 16:01

    Roger, do you think I am wrong and “if” you honestly do look these things up and then tell me I am lying. . .

    1) In the National News: The FBI was ‘Granted FISA Warrant’ to spy on the Trump Camp.
    2) The New York Times reported Obama during his final days expanded the power of the NSA to share globally intercepted personal communications with the government’s 16 other intelligence agencies BEFORE applying privacy protections.
    3) The New York Times reported “Wiretapped Data Used In Inquiry of Trump Aides”
    4) The Washington Post reported that the month prior to Trump taking office the Obama administration listened to Flynn’s phone calls.
    5) The FBI told us they had a spy within the Trump Campaign to “protect Trump” but they never told Trump?
    6) Clapper said the FBI spying on Trump was a “good thing”.

    Now before you go make this about dems vs repubs I think this is a government vs the people. We have given our spy agencies too much power. Remember when they told you they were only gathering meta-data from your calls? Buddy, they are getting it all and keeping it until they feel they need it. Yes, even the comments here are being digitally recorded by our government every day, every hour, minute and second, where they came from and who they are going to and who is reading them. They have it all. . . and you trust them. . .

  22. mike from iowa 2018-07-19 16:28

    Does the GOP memo show the FBI spied on the Trump campaign …
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/…/does-the-gop-memo-show-the-fbi-spied-on-the-tru…
    Claim: “#FISAMemo shows real collusion between Dem operatives & key officials at the FBI & DOJ to spy on the #Trump campaign & interfere in the 2016 election.”
    Claimed by: Raul Labrador
    Fact check by Washington Post: Four Pinocchios

    Strike 1 sport.

  23. mike from iowa 2018-07-19 16:40

    3) The New York Times reported “Wiretapped Data Used In Inquiry of Trump Aides”

    True that intercepted Russian phone calls were used to investigate Drumpf. Drumpf claimed his New York office building was wiretapped. Using intercepted calls is not a crime.

  24. mike from iowa 2018-07-19 16:57

    # 4-http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2018/may/23/donald-trump/did-ex-intelligence-chief-clapper-say-fbi-spied-tr/

    Strike 2, Sport

  25. mike from iowa 2018-07-19 17:16

    # 4 should have been # 5

  26. bearcreekbat 2018-07-19 17:28

    OS hyperventilates about alleged USA officials misconduct, yet says absolutely nothing negative or critical about the alleged Russian misconduct.

    Assuming arguendo USA officials have acted unlawfully in the past (although OS has not identied which US laws he thinks USA officials have violated), does OS assert that such hypothetical misbehavior gives license to Russian operatives to commit violations of US law without consequences? In my experience, bad conduct by a third party, USA government official or anyone else, has never provided a legal defense for any defendant to engage in bad conduct.

    What would be the legal rational to use the misbehavior of others to insulate Russian defendants from prosecution for their crimes OS?

  27. Roger Cornelius 2018-07-19 17:49

    First of all, OS says the Russian meddling isn’t a Dem/Rep thing when clearly it is, isn’t partisan we should be hearing more republicans speaking out about the Russian spying and meddling.
    Since the Russian meddling story first broke and republicans constantly doing their Hillary song and dance to defend Trump and Russian actions, OS and others still think all the issues he listed is going to somehow exonerate Trump from charges of treason, etc.
    Forget about Hillary, if she is mentioned in Trump’s impeachment it’ll only be a footnote.

  28. Cory Allen Heidelberger Post author | 2018-07-19 19:20

    Chris—really? Wow! I think I should just go on the road for a month interviewing every South Dakotan who recalls some weird interaction with Paul Erickson.

  29. John 2018-07-19 19:53

    Maybe OS was in the Soviet Army.

    Jenny, they should cast Jane Fonda in the role. Right wing heads would explode.

  30. OldSarg 2018-07-19 20:29

    Folks I know more about the Soviet Union than any of you. I spent a great portion of my life knowing if the flag went up the war had started and I could just kiss my lil’ass goodby. Your’s too but we didn’t talk to you about that. While I stood at the ready the rest of you sat around crying about things that hurt your feelings.

    Now, back on topic: NO government with the right to all things, including your information, all of it, can be trusted and the powers we gave our own government have proven me right. I will say again; The russian thing isn’t a dam/repub thing. The russian thing is an attack on our Nation and guess what, it has been going on since WWII and continues to this day. They don’t care what party you are in. They only care whether or not they can get an advantage on you and your undermining our president endangers all of us. The bully doesn’t strike when he thinks you are strong. So, you folks need to make p your mind: Do you want a Nation or do you want a pity party for all the wrongs you perceive?

  31. jerry 2018-07-19 20:52

    Old Soviet agrees that America is not worth it and would rather be a Comrade, just listen to what he puts into print. Dude has about as much credibility as Putin, so there ya go Old Soviet, make your move to Moscow.

  32. jerry 2018-07-19 20:56

    NATO has reaffirmed their commitment to Article 5, that same Article that they all sent troops to Afghanistan on when we had the attack on us on 9/11. They all lost soldiers there as well as long term issues with PTSD, but they came to our aid.

    “NATO officials on Wednesday scrambled to reassert the alliance’s collective defense clause — commonly referred to as Article 5 — after US President Donald Trump appeared to suggest NATO’s newest member Montenegro could instigate World War III.

    A NATO official told Germany’s DPA news agency that Article 5 of the North Atlantic Treaty was “unconditional and iron-clad,” reaffirming that “an attack on one is an attack on all.”

    Old Soviet and the rest of the traitors should be ashamed of themselves, instead they act as if they are proud of the lies we are being fed on a daily basis.

  33. OldSarg 2018-07-19 21:29

    Oh good jerry. You know so much about what kind of support we received from our “allies”. . .

    Germany: German Soldiers in Afghanistan Can’t Shoot https://www.thedailybeast.com/german-soldiers-in-afghanistan-cant-shoot

    From 2010 France: French minister: No more combat troops to Afghanistan http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/01/28/afghanistan.france.pakistan/index.html

    Most of the other members did have combat troops in country but not the big ones. They left our brother to do the fighting and dying and you continue to defend them out of your ignorance.

  34. jerry 2018-07-19 22:41

    Old Soviet, “As of May 5, 2013, 54 German soldiers and three policemen died in Afghanistan, raising the death toll to 57. Among them are the first German reservists to fall in hostile actions and the first German policemen to die in a deployment abroad since World War II. In addition to these fatalities, 245 German soldiers and four police officers suffered injuries of varying degree caused by hostile activity.”

    Old Soviet, you don’t know what a brother is. Shame on you.

    Fatalities By Country

    Click graph to view details
    Country Total
    Albania 1
    Australia 41
    Belgium 1
    Canada 158
    Czech 10
    Denmark 43
    Estonia 9
    Finland 2
    France 86
    Georgia 29
    Germany 54
    Hungary 7
    Italy 48
    Jordan 2
    Latvia 3
    Lithuania 1
    NATO 19
    Netherlands 25
    New Zealand 11
    Norway 10
    Poland 40
    Portugal 2
    Romania 24
    Slovakia 3
    South Korea 1
    Spain 34
    Sweden 5
    Turkey 14
    UK 455
    US 2412
    Total 3550

    There were many who paid the price. You dishonor all by your treason.

  35. Adam 2018-07-20 03:43

    It’s amazing to me how conservative gun culture facilitated Russian espionage.

    It’s also nearly mind blowing that our
    SD GOP played a part in it.

    All those idiot Republican country boys didn’t see anything weird about a gal with a thick Russian accent offering sex for boosts up the national GOP ladder. On her road from the small time to the national level, “she really loves guns; so, we should trust her,” those ignorant GOP bastards said to each other.

    It was a ‘country boy exploit espionage’ mission, and now Russia cries like baby about jig being up.

  36. mike from iowa 2018-07-20 07:12

    Hey OS, how do you like all that winning in Afghanistan and Iraq?

  37. mike from iowa 2018-07-20 07:15

    Don’t forget Syria where Drumpf pulled all US support for anti-Assad rebels and warned Russia and Syria to leave them alone and then stands by while the rebels are systematically hunted down and killed. Israel is blocking Syrians from leaving by way of the Golan Heights, which, according to International Law, belongs to Syria but is Israeli occupied.

  38. mike from iowa 2018-07-20 07:20

    Folks I know more about the Soviet Union than any of you.

    Riiiiiiiiiight. The Soviet Union is no more as of December 26, 1991. Do try to keep up, OldSPOGG.

  39. Cory Allen Heidelberger Post author | 2018-07-20 09:11

    Adam makes a key point: far from protecting America from hostiles, America’s gun culture has facilitated those hostiles’ efforts to undermine our nation’s institutions.

    The Soviets lost the arms race; now they realize they can fight us much more cheaply in the information race. Folks like OS go bragging about their ammosexuality but fall for the Russians’ clever and entirely unarmed yet disarming ploys.

  40. Roger Cornelius 2018-07-20 09:21

    mfi
    Good catch mike on OldSarge’s claim to know more about the Soviet Union than any of us, somehow I missed it.
    OldSarge claims to know more about the Soviet Union, but obviously knows squat about Russia.

  41. leslie 2018-07-21 09:19

    ORSIS T-5000 Russian sniper rifle designed & developed in Crimea to pierce US personnel armor @2000 yds, promoted by NRA, Butina&Milwaukee Sheriff Clarke. Used by Special Forces Russia China Vietnam Syria Iraq. Dozens of Ukraine/Crimea protesters killed w T-5000. Assad forces use it against US supported Syrian rebels.Republican Ann Beal fine with this.

  42. leslie 2018-07-21 09:35

    May 7 Mother Jones

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