Our weekly columnist Dave Baumeister is keenly interested in this impeachment thing….
Greetings, Blogophiles!
In writing weekly opinion columns, I usually like to put a variety of topics out there, but since so much news has been focused on impeachment lately, I have a hard time coming up with anything else.
However, I do want to at least try to change up my own focus a bit, and this week I thought I would try and get people thinking about “what happens next,” if for no other reason, it should make interesting comments.
As you know, I wasn’t in favor of impeachment until it became inevitable that “high crimes and misdemeanors” be addressed. While last week I looked at why impeachment now needs to happen, over the past seven days, as I have synthesized the news, I think, of all the possible outcomes with which people (mainly candidates) will have to deal.
First, I have to say, it is too bad things had to come to this. Impeaching a president is no good for the country and will may not be good for the Democratic Party, and I must believe that most readers of the Dakota Free Press are aligned with the Democrats.
Looking at the 2016 election, and how things have gone since then, as I have written before, just about any likable candidate beats Trump in 2020. And I still think that would be the case, if things play out in the House and Senate the way they are expected with the House voting for impeachment, and the Senate acquitting the president along party lines.
However, let’s look at some other options:
- What if Trump is found not guilty by the Senate, but by a very narrow margin? After all, his crimes are becoming more obvious, and he is becoming more unhinged in his actions. Will Republicans start abandoning him, even in a small number? 23 Republicans are up for re-election in 2020, and that could play a factor in how Senators vote. If Republican candidates think, “I have to appeal to the Trump supporters in order to get past the primaries,” they should realize that in just appealing to a narrow group of voters, they may lose the general election. The result? They will have just spent a lot of money NOT to get re-elected. If they just vote to support the Constitution and have a clear conscience, they still might not get re-elected, but they would save themselves the campaign money. Plus, they will have the added benefit of being able to sleep at night.And a close vote might also lead to the Republicans re-thinking their 2020 strategy in supporting an extremely wounded president in 2020.
- What if 20 Republican Senators get the twinge of conscience and find Trump guilty? Mike Pence then becomes president, and he or another Republican then becomes the nominee next year. Either way, that will lead to scrambling by the Democrats in adapting their campaigns to a more typical Republican vs. Democrat strategy (good vs. evil would have been so much easier).
- What if (and this is my favorite) Trump is successful in pulling Mike Pence into the Ukraine scandal, and he is also impeached? Then one of Trump’s favorite political foils, Nancy Pelosi, becomes president. I am always a big fan of irony!
- Let’s say The Don sees any of this starting to take shape, and he pulls his usual “settling out of court” by resigning, thus taking himself out of re-election contention. This could lead to a more traditional Republican, like Mitt Romney, leading their ticket next year. After three-plus years of Trump, most voters may be looking for some type of return to normalcy. Anyway, this will also make the candidates re-think how they campaign.
Now, nothing may change in all of the impeachment rhetoric, but it should make Democrats ponder: “What happens if Trump is missing from the 2020 equation?”
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/464307-mcconnell-signaling-trump-trial-to-be-quick-if-it-happens
Quick like maybe not bothering to call any witnesses, or not letting Dems call any. Not allowing Drumpf to perjure himself under oath, although wingnuts proved during cabinet confirmations and Kavernmouth’s perjury they don’t take perjury seriously unless a WJC does it.
I can see Drumpf Drumpf demanding a non-disclosure agreement if he resigns where he does not have any personal liability and no one in the world can talk about it. I can see the majority of stoopid wingnuts in the senate agreeing to this.
If twitterpate45 is removed and Pence becomes POTUS, there will be a stampede of Repubs into whatever state has the next primary after the trial. Pence will NOT be the next nominee. It’s unlikely he will even find his way to the primaries.
Mr. Pence seems a fine enough fellow on the surface, but my good friend Bob is right about his depth in the primaries.
As to Mr. Baumeister, I offer him a bit of appreciation for his bloggings. He’s a fine looking young fellow, but I like the pictures with a hat a bit better.
mfi, the story you linked is an interesting take on the potential Senate impeachment trial. I think, however, that the author may have overlooked a key detail. Under the Constitution, “When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside. . . .”
Article I, Section 3, Clause 6.
https://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_A1Sec3.html
This indicates it should be up to Chief Justice Roberts, not Majority Leader McConnell or V.P. Pence, to decide the length of the trial and which witnesses will be permitted to testify. The Senate seems more like it should function like a jury in an impeachment trial with McConnell as the fore-person.
As for what might happen, however, if there is an impeachment trial, there is another odd, seemingly inconceivable, but apparently real, possibility – Trump’s supposed immunity from criminal accountability could result in the worst possible circumstances. Under the DOJ’s current policies, Trump is absolutely immune from criminal prosecution, hence he could take any unlawful action he wanted, even apparently including murder of the Chief Justice, to prevent a final Senate vote if he feared he would be removed from office.
You are right about the Chief Justice, bcb. I just can’t imagine that being an insurmountable hurdle for a lawless Moscow Mitch to ignore or make up a rule t get around it.
In other news, it was announced the new court session will take up a pretty direct challenge to Roe in Kavanaugh’s first full session of ignoring precedence on the court.
Hadn’t realized how optimistic I truly am. :)
https://the-immoral-minority.com/in-phone-call-where-he-also-mentioned-joe-biden-trump-told-president-of-china-that-he-would-stay-quiet-about-protests-if-xi-would-play-ball-on-trade-deals/
Moar quid pro quo? Someone is totally out of control of his mental facilities. I cannot hardly believe wingnuts have destroyed America to the point where the illegitimate potus gets away with calling his enemies childish names every day for the entire world to see and where is the wingnut disgust with this behavior?
It seems that Traitor Toddler is determined to take down as many others as he can. I get the impression that he’s thinking that if he can make others feel threatened, Pence, Pompeo, etc, they’ll be easier to manipulate and more willing to back anything TT does.
I had forgotten that the CJ presides over the trial. Thanks for that reminder BCB. That’s a relief, because Roberts has consistently shown concern for the status and reputation of the court. Moscow Mitch won’t be able to manipulate the process, though his filthy dirty hands are on everything else.
I’m most concerned with President War Monger’s most psychotic followers. Those white scumacysts are already responsible for the overwhelming majority of deaths this decade. I’m afraid they’ll go all the way over the edge when he’s impeached or loses the election. Thankfully, those truly crazies are a small fringe element with few numbers, but they’re still enough to do real harm.
I read a piece today on the second rate crap they read and look to as a source of guidance. They need serious, long term psychiatric treatment. is.gd/IZnR61
However this all plays out in the end, there will inevitably come a day when a 45th statue must be added to Rapid City’s Parade of Presidents. In keeping with the custom of using local artists, just please, please, let the sculpture be done by Marty Two Bulls. He alone could do it justice.
Chubby already tossed Pence under the bus along with Rick Perry, who needs speed bumps with Chubby at the wheel.
The Repubs could run anyone but Trump from among those currently supporting him – and they all are – and the “simple” good v evil scenario still plays – as they have clearly demonstrated they are all amoral scum.
Cenk Uygur of TYT has been saying for some time that Trump will resign before his first term is up. Mainly because his ego won’t allow him to be defeated. That really might be the best thing the R party could hope for. They could then run a candidate that would actually be competitive. As mentioned as well, the senate might just go along with the impeachment to try and get a better candidate for 2020.
Chubby will not resign until he gets a pass for his lawlessness. When he knows he won’t have to go to the hoosegow (where his fat arse belongs), he will probably do just that. I think that he will take Pence, Barr and the rest, who haven’t resigned, with him. Rick Perry has one foot out the door now.
Yeah. Perry plans to resign at the end of the month.
A series of State Department texts lay out the quid pro quo deal in clearest detail. I highly recommend you read this from National Memo. It’s short, concise, damning as hell and there is no paywall.
http://bit.ly/2LMZKUf
Part of Traitor Toddler’s plan to remain in office:
1. Americans would be crazy to eject someone from office who is presiding over historically low unemployment and high stock gains.
2. If the economy tanks before November 2020, don’t blame Trump — blame Democrats for fomenting uncertainty and gridlock via impeachment.
There’s more, no paywall with Axios.
http://bit.ly/31NQSmM
Axios has the goods again:
“I classified presidential calls. The White House is abusing the system,” writes former National Security Council staffer Kelly Magsamen, who served under Presidents George W. Bush and Barack Obama.
http://bit.ly/2IlzNsP
Moscow Mitch has Drumpf’s orange arse safely nestled in his mouth.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2019/10/05/mitch-mcconnell-campaign-ad-says-trump-impeachment-fail/3881997002/
Impeachment will fail with Moscow Mitch in charge of sinate. Can’t be much more clear about obstruction, can you?
When Donnie DarkHeart gets impeached and is acquitted in the Senate, who thinks he’ll claim victory? The only way to shut off the pain faucet is to VOTE BLUE IN SD –
PS … Watching the Twins lose their twentieth straight playoff game. I’ve seen all twenty and this one hurts the most; because it’s the freshest. :(
Grdz: Pence “fine enough”? https://www.palmerreport.com/politics/mike-pence-mueller-impeach/4671/
Give me some take on your blue link, Ms. leslie. I need take. Don’t just dump a blue link out like Lar used to without at least providing some take. If you have no take, then you are like Lar. And you don’t want to be like Lar.
Axios lays out how Disloyal Dotard is happily sacrificing Rick Perry to cover his own pendulous hindquarters. Perry is a sleazeball and deserves all that karma deals him, but this is pure set up. Glub, glub, Rick Perry. You’re going down and “smart glasses” won’t save you.
http://bit.ly/2Is3OXN
Tangentially, the former Marine who claimed an affair with Sen. Warren? Yeah, that joker. He was a Marine, but he lied about being deployed to Afghanistan. http://bit.ly/2ohKBkR
All who are shocked to learn this, raise your hand? Go ahead. Don’t be shy. I’ll wait. Still waiting for hands………..
Speaking of “Lar”, he has it on good authority that former Rapid City Journal and current reporter for the Black Hills Pioneer is the real Grudznick.
“Speaker Nancy Pelosi and the chairmen leading the inquiry have warned the White House that noncompliance will be viewed as obstruction of Congress, a potentially impeachable offense.”
“A second intelligence official who was alarmed by Trump’s dealings with Ukraine, is weighing whether to file his own formal whistleblower complaint and testify to Congress, according to two people briefed on the matter.
“The official has more direct information about the events than the first whistleblower. The second official is among those interviewed by the intelligence community inspector general to corroborate the allegations of the original whistleblower, one of the people said.
“A new complaint from someone closer to the events would potentially add further credibility to the account of the first whistleblower, a CIA officer who was detailed to the National Security Council at one point.”
The Strib http://strib.mn/35kl4Iy
Roger, so I have heard. I don’t know that I really care who he is.
Right wing conspiracy site has a report connecting Nancy Pelosi’s son to another Ukrainian gas company. AOC’s press conference a couple days ago had a woman stand up and say it was time for Libs to start eating babies, This was reported as though the woman was an AOC supporter. That was quickly and effectively debunked. She was a nutjob Drumpf supporter.
Desperate to save drumpf’s orange arse wingnuts are truly getting despicably, deplorably desperate.
Warren canned a top adviser for inappropriate behavior.
Legal experts say Robert Mueller has nailed Mike Pence on impeachable crimes
Bill Palmer | 11:16 pm EDT September 1, 2017
Enuf context for you, Grudzilla, from Leslie’s link?
On a sad note, former Cream drummer, the incomparable Ginger Baker, drummed his way into the Pearly Gates, aged 80.
Let’s be clear. It’s proposed that Mike Sanborn, columnist for the Black Hills Pioneer, is the detestable character, women hater, and violent anti-tourist grudznick. Mike Sanborn posts his weekly columns on his Facebook page with no filter. He’s not on Twitter, to my research.
Sanborn’s writing style differs from grudznick’s, however grudznick presents a country bumpkin image that can possibly be an act. I believe, at the least, that the group grudz claims to breakfast with at Tally’s Silver Spoon on Sunday mornings contains Jeremiah Murphy, Mike Sanborn and other yet to be fully identified men (no women).
I agree with Debbo. The identity isn’t as important as putting a collar on the hate, misogyny, and violent outbursts grudznick displays periodically on DFP.
R.I.P. Ginger … flying point with his Air Force
Lori Sturdevant is such a good columnist for the Strib. She’s retired now so I only get to read her thoughts monthly or less. Fortunately she has a column today on politics. It’s really a pity there is a paywall, because it’s very good.
Ms. Sturdevant’s point is not to weigh in on Traitorous Toddler’s admitted guilt. She is concerned about the critical system of checks and balances that has kept our government functioning. She notes that GWB/Darth Cheney eroded it with the ginning up of nonexistent WMBs and yellowcake, while Obama didn’t help with his extensive use of executive orders. (I know, due to Moscow Mitch’s obstruction.) Preceding presidents did their part to diminish Congress’s clout, while executive and judicial power increased.
Ms. Sturdevant talked to Dave Durenberger, a retired Republican Senator from Minnesota. He shared her concerns, as did current Democratic Congresswoman Betty McCollum of St. Paul.
http://strib.mn/2Oq6o4E
I think that is my biggest concern too. If Congressional Democrats had done nothing in the face of these continued, blatant, criminal acts perpetrated by the US president, they would have effectively ceded all power to the executive side. Congress would have become nothing more than Russia’s Politburo, Pootie’s rubber stamp that does what it’s told when it’s told.
Dumb Dictator (Wannabe) can’t be allowed to destroy the US as a democratically governed nation. Democrats must save us. GOP is part of the problem.
RIP Ginger! Heaven beware:)
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“forgot” to report that we are helping the great farmers of the USA to the tune of 28 Billion Dollars, for the last two years, paid for out of Tariffs paid to the United States by China for targeting the farmer. They devalued their currency, therefore paying the cost!
Sanborn is just a groupie. 1st Murphy, now
Both seem to fit grdz.
There’s a laugh.
This comes from a Wapo article published in the Strib:
Across the country, most GOP lawmakers have responded to questions about Trump’s conduct with varying degrees of silence, shrugged shoulders or pained defenses. For now, their collective strategy is simply to survive and not make any sudden moves.
This account of the anxiety gripping the Republican Party is based on interviews with 21 lawmakers, aides and advisers, many of whom spoke on the condition of anonymity to speak candidly.
“Everyone is getting a little shaky at this point,” said Brendan Buck, who was counselor to former House speaker Paul Ryan, R-Wis. “Members have gotten out on a limb with this president many times only to have it be cut off by the president. They know he’s erratic, and this is a completely unsteady and developing situation.”
The GOP’s paralysis was on display this past week in Templeton, Iowa, where a voter confronted Republican Sen. Joni Ernst at a town hall meeting Thursday over her silence about Trump’s conduct.
“Where is the line?” Iowa resident Amy Haskins asked in frustration. “When are you guys going to say, ‘Enough,’ and stand up and say, ‘You know what? I’m not backing any of this.’ “
“I can say, ‘Yea, nay, whatever,’ “ Ernst replied. “The president is going to say what the president is going to do.”
A Republican strategist who is close with several senators and spoke on the condition of anonymity to share a candid assessment called the situation “a disaster.” This consultant has been advising clients to “say as little as possible” about impeachment developments to buy time.
Senate Republicans are taking their cues from Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky. In a new campaign ad released over the weekend, McConnell remained firmly at Trump’s side, saying, “The way that impeachment stops is a Senate majority with me as majority leader.”
is.gd/T0aPRz
Leslie, is this more Economic Eunuch babbling?
“@60Minutes
“forgot” to report that we are helping the great farmers of the USA to the tune of 28 Billion Dollars, for the last two years, paid for out of Tariffs paid to the United States by China for targeting the farmer. They devalued their currency, therefore paying the cost!”
America is NOT going to miss the continual lying from Trump. However, the residual will last decades, I’m afraid.
Once again, China holds $1.1trillion in U.S. Treasury notes and isn’t paying anything in tariffs. The “hush money” to farmers was just added to our national debt.
Grudzilla’s writing style….. mention gravy taters. Go nukular on out of staters calling wingnuts names. Rinse and repeat.
Porter Lansing – what are your thoughts on Schiff’s parody of the transcript? Was that “truthful”?
Distraction on two fronts from John D:
1. There is no transcript. The White House released its own non-verbatim notes.
2. Whatever Rep. Schiff or anyone else says does not negate the fact that even the notes released by the White House support the whistleblower’s report.
3. Neither the notes anything else negate the plain fact that Trump committed exactly the same country-betraying error in asking China on mic last week to investigate his political opponent.
Cory – If the political opponent also happens to be committing crimes, how is being a political candidate providing immunity from prosecution and investigation?
I have not seen any evidence that the stenographers providing the call transcript were not complete in the call’s contents. Do you have some evidence that is not an in-the-tank pundit that can accredit the call’s “actual” contents? I’m thinking not .. since possession of something like this, if true, would represent espionage.
We do have evidence that the call’s contents were released to Pelosi before they were evaluated by Schiff’s committee, wherein Schiff “parodied” Trump’s words in what can only be characterized as misleading (I’m being kind).
Did you notice that Trump activated the Marine Reserves?
We should all proceed with caution ..
Furthermore, why bother with impeachment in an election year?
:D
https://www.rawstory.com/2019/10/rudy-giuliani-caught-trying-to-score-cash-from-ukraine-gas-company-while-accusing-hunter-biden-of-the-same/
Screwdy Rudy may not be cleared to receive top secret info. No one, including SR will say.
Screwdy Rudy works as a foreign agent, yet has never registered as such, according to officials.
Neither Rudy or drumpf will say Rudy works for the kremlin annex so Drumpf cannot just surround him with executive privilege.
Screwdy rudy says he is drumpf’s personal lawyer, but he has forsaken all lawyer /client privilege because he can’t keep his yap shut when someone sticks a microphone in his face.
Johnnie Dale and Republicans et al … Don’t concern yourselves with the impeachment. It’ll be like Melania having sex. Just close your eyes, go to your happy place, and it’ll be over before you know it. :0)
It’s always election season in America. We have them every two years. Impeach Chubby and the rest of the criminal organization so we can move on. Move on to find better markets for our products, move on so we can be the light of Democracy and honor commitments with our allies. Impeach and move on already.
Under Chubby, pensions are disappearing. Seniors watch your Social Security and Medicare cause you’ve got crooks and liars trying to steal them. Rounds/Thune and Dirty are yes men to all of this. They want your blood.
“On Monday, General Electric announced it would be freezing its pension plan for around 20,000 current employees, while offering to buy out around 100,000 former employees from their pension. USA Today reports that GE has said it will offer up “lump-sum payouts to former U.S. employees who have not yet begun receiving their pensions.” GE stopped allowing employees into the pension plan in 2012, moving towards self directed retirement funds like 401(k)s. The company says that the 20,000 active employee pensions affected “won’t accrue additional benefits nor make employee contributions after January 1, 2021.”
A sure sign that corporate America is destroying the middle class completely as they have done with the lower class of workers. Get the pitchforks while you still have a damn barn.
Moscow mitch is on the campaign rampage vowing to shut down impeachment. Traitory words have never before been spoken.
John Dale: “Furthermore, why bother with impeachment in an election year?”
Because the law matters — even if you are the President. At some point, even the GOP has to see the hypocrisy of the promise to “drain the swamp” when the President is importing, breeding, and feeding the alligators. As the President throws more and more of his administration/cabinet under the bus, less and less shall survive the impeachment. We could have a Democrat in the White House BEFORE the 2020 election if the individual does not put the GOP ahead of himself (as Nixon did); instead I see this President, wholly devoid of loyalty, talking down almost the entire GOP before the Senate can cut ties and avoid the drain by voting for removal.
“The law is important” – what about Hillary’s emails? See? It’s complicated, isn’t it?
Bill Clinton broke the law, but remained POTUS and got reelected.
How much does the law matter?
What about Cannabis laws?
This is an absolute?
BS.
Get used to it, Dale. You stole our Supreme Court Justice. Did you think you wouldn’t get paid back, double? This is just the beginning. B.O.H.I.C.A.
I stole your Supreme Court Justice?
I’m willing to roll along and do my best and be intellectually honest no matter what happens. But at this point, I feel like the impeachment thing is the power elite working together to distract while they install 5G, and that nothing will actually come of the impeachment, or if it does, Trump will sign onto the plan.
This isn’t Days of our Lives .. this isn’t a football game. I wish the best for everyone, and for everyone to work together to find the best solutions. Say what you mean, mean what you say, and most important admit it when you’re wrong.
“Trump will be out of office by December.” — Brennan
Dale, my boy. As Dwayne “The Rock” Johnson says, “It doesn’t matter what you think! Go in the corner, sit down, and shut up!”
Dwayne Johnson guides your conscience?
:D
Harken to the founders Porter my good man. Nobody of consequence truly buys into the BS.
Good luck with them tax returns. I don’t think it will be enough to sway the Senate, and impeachment could result in the most lop-sided Congress the US has ever seen. Here’s hoping that the next 12 months will be the darkness before the dawn.
It will take more than bravado or confidence to work past the US Marine Corps, but you can try.
I don’t think you’re truly ready for this ..
Dale is correct but he doesn’t know why. True ‘dat … Donnie DarkHeart will be impeached. The Senate will acquit. The 2020 election will give America the most lop-sided Congress ever experienced.
John, how can you say impeachment is not in order BEFORE you have seen the indictment and the evidence? This seems like partisan hackery to dismiss before charges and evidence. You and McConnell need to remember the order of proceedings before you take positions — or do facts not matter?
The President asked Ukraine to interfere in US politics for the personal gain of the President. He doubled-down and asked China to do the same. He has denied neither (even issuing the China request on-camera).
As for your whataboutisms – Sec. Clinton was investigated for her E-mails AND CLEARD (the President and his daughter were given a pass for the same). President Clinton WAS impeached and the Senate voted to not remove from office. Nevertheless, that has no bearing on this President’s actions.
Why do you, the GOP, and the President fear the process?
o – because innocent until proven guilty.
Also, I have seen some evidence, and I’m just not convinced that Trump should be impeached. Let’s get back to business, pass USMCA, legalize cannabis, and take over and implement more reasonable technology.
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/political-commentary/whistleblower-ukraine-trump-impeach-cia-spying-895529/
Chubby is now threatening Turkey and Turkey is laughing it’s arse off. The US military knows what a dumb arse Chubby is for abandoning our friends, the Kurds. When the crap got thick, the Kurds stepped up and beat hell out of ISIS. Chubby is the best gift ISIS ever got with this desertion and it will come back to haunt us.
Chubby is guilty as hell for being a traitor. Impeach the blubber butt and let’s move on.
I’d like for the US to not be pulled into anymore wars .. too expensive.
John Dale, my error – as long as you have seen SOME evidence, I guess that warrants dismissal. (rolling my eyes). COME ON!!
One things is for certain .. this will not be adjudicated at DFP. :)
But my door will always be open regardless of what happens. We still live here. We still have to figure out how to get along. Regardless of what happens.
Johnny Fraud. Lock her up. She’s guilty. Lock her up. She’s guilty. Lock her up, she’s guilty.
mike from iowa – is that a new Romones song? Sheena is a Punk Rocker Dos?
I like that better than the talk of President Trump’s testicles and some strange fantasies about making love to his wife.
Stay classy, Mike!
:D
Mike, Liar-in-Chief betrayed the Kurds as a birthday present to his hero and obsession, Pootie. Just another sleazy act in a lifetime of sleaze for the president of white scumacysts.
Hi, BCB. – If you have a minute sometime can you think about the fact that there’s a concerted effort to not comply with the investigation, from supoenaed Trump people and supoenaed Trump administration documents. Today, George Kent (deputy secretary of state) missed his scheduled deposition. Mike Pompeo missed a Friday deadline to produce documents. Two Florida businessmen who helped connect Rudy Giuliani to Ukranian politicians will not comply with a request for documents and depositions from House committees.
What legal ramifications does this non-comply policy bring with it? Are we to assume that Trump is guilty by default? Can Nancy just go to the House floor for an impeachment vote citing severe negligence from witnesses and recommend impeachment, immediately?
Johhny fraud, when I say you are nutz, I am not referring to anyone’s Rocky mountain oysters. As for Melanoma, she might very well could be the proverbial porkypine. Makes not a whiff of difference to me.
Alex Jones on line 1.
Tomorrow is the day to call into the Alex Jones show if you hate Trump. He’s opening the phone lines to amazing folks like you, mike from iowa! :D
But then, you might be too busy with your anti-white male racist tirades, sooo ..
Porter, we are in a strange bizarro/parallel universe – quasi-legal/political climate where predictions based on existing law are not particularly reliable. Your guess may be just as good as mine as to the correct answers to your three questions. My guess is that Congress can add non-compliance as an additional basis to impeach and is free to make whatever assumptions they choose about the reasons for non-compliance, including presuming guilt. Hence Nancy could ask for a vote based in part on the non-compliance.
The hearing or trial in the Senate is much more interesting as the Chief Justice is supposed to preside. What he will rule to be proper or improper is the million dollar question. I seriously doubt McConnell holds the power to rein in the Chief, but who knows for sure?
Trump apologist Dale commented above, “How much does the law matter?” This acknowledges a real transition by the GOP and Trump supporters. To them, once the law actually mattered alot – indeed, the chant “lock her up” was justified by the mistaken belief that Hillary had broken the law. They were the “law and order” party. But today? Apparently not so much.
Trump and his minions seem to have concluded that Trump has somehow been given a licence to disregard the law. Even Barr’s DOJ now argues that Trump cannot be investigated for a crime, let alone be charged with any wrongdoing. (Although it appears at least one federal judge has now disagreed and ordered Trump to turn over his tax returns in a state case).
Meanwhile, if Trump is no longer accountable, then it seems doubtful that his minions will be held accountable for refusing to cooperate with Congressional subpoenas.
In our own pre-Trump non-bizzaro world, someone who refused to comply with a lawfully issued subpoena would be taken into custody and summarily imprisoned and/or fined for every day he or she continued to refuse to comply. He or she could immediately get out of jail by compliance or seek a court order quashing the subpoena. Upon a properly filed motion for relief a judge would schedule a hearing and give the individual objecting an opportunity to present facts or legal arguments sufficient to convince the judge the subpoena was invalid.
The 5th Amendment offers no protection against compliance with a subpoena. A witness can plead the 5th in response to individual questions, but not to a subpoena as a whole. And even then Congress can decide whether to grant immunity. If Congress grants immunity then all bets are off – the witness either answers or would be jailed until he or she does answer.
Mr. Dale, I might not agree with you on many things, but you are a South Dakotan and a pretty swell fellow on numerous counts. It saddens me that you are attacked so egregiously, erroneously, and preposterously. But hey, it is the culture defined here, despite you and I being shining lights of politeness amidst the gloom of out-of-state name-calling rudeness which dominates Mr. H’s blog. The voters are paying attention to fellows like you and I.
Tomorrow is the day to call into the Alex Jones show if you hate Trump.
I knew you’d know this.
Thank you, Bear. Very helpful. I see your point. It’s an alternative legal reality without rules of order. This has to 🛑 stop.
ATTN! Don’t ever call Alex Jones or any right wing talk radio or internet show. You’ll get put on a national list that you don’t want to be on. Weird things involving the Trump lawless regime will start happening to you and your friend list. Once you’re involved you’ll not get out!!
A young black man was tossed in the hoosegow for 10 days for oversleeping and missing jury duty. Chubby and his crew completely disregard the law and these crooks and liars get a pass.
It’s seems that I read in regard to Watergate that some of those subpoenaed planned to refuse, so law enforcement, perhaps marshalls, were sent by Congress to either arrest them or bring them to the hearing. They only had to do that once.
It’s been a few days since I read that, so I’m fuzzy on the details. The point is that there were steps taken to enforce the subpoenas. I hope the House does that now. If we don’t have the law we’ve got nothing.
grudznick – thank you. I’ve had flame-outs before and they didn’t really accomplish much. If I hurl high brow insults, at least it makes me laugh.
Porter Lansing – get put in the Alex Jones list for calling in? Shhhh .. mwahahahaaahahaaahahaha!
And I would have gotten away with it, too, if it hadn’t been for you pesky kids!
Make sure you can listen on the dark web .. “they’ll” never find you there!
If grudznick is right and this place is chalked full of unthinking washed out neo-left zealots who left the state, that would make sense.
But there are a few that are cool ..
Cory’s always on-point and respectful.
Debbo always posts links and shares a love of various characterizations of testicles with mike from iowa, whose insight usually fills much needed gaps.
Roger Cornelius is like the Gimli of the fellowship of the Orange Man Bad .. necessary, critical, but not understandably so.
;)
Senses of humor intact?
I hope so.
I would clarify, Debbo, that if this impeachment thing doesn’t work, the neos (neocons, neolibs) have nothing.
Trump’s intimidation game is pretty transparent. If you don’t ignore your subpoena and you testify, Trump claims you’re the criminal and you spend all your money defending yourself against DeepPockets Donnie. e.g. Cohen, Manafort, Flynn, Papadopoulous, and Rick Gates. Trump’s been bankrupting legal opponents since he was hauled before a Federal court for racial discrimination in his Section 8 housing slum apartments, forty years ago.
Sorry, DarkHeart … this time you’re up against the entire Democratic Party. We don’t back down; we don’t go away; and we won’t run out of money. You’re as good as impeached, already. Keep crying and screaming, though. #It’sGoodEntertainment
Alex Jones uses fear of conspiracies to disguise his involvement in conspiracies. It’s the old “hide in plain sight” gambit.
Mr. C is indeed a lot like this Gimli character. Wise beyond his years, and a friend of many light haired people and a model of overcoming racism and living in a challenging world. About this, on occasion, I have heard Mr. C speak.
In 2016 Trump pays a stripper to stay quiet. So, they want tax returns from nearly a decade before that?
I think Trump wins this appeal of a Clinton judge’s ruling.
Porter Lansing – “Alex Jones uses fear of conspiracies to disguise his involvement in conspiracies. It’s the old “hide in plain sight” gambit.”
Alex Jones says “hiding in plain sight” all the time! That’s great! You two are like two peas in a pod ..
FWIW, your assertion is a conspiracy theory.
.. and I LOVE it.
Porter, I’ve watched a little bit of Jones’ show and read his trial deposition. Parents of children gunned down at Sandy Hook School are suing him for making their lives a worse hell after their babies were slaughtered. Anyway, the attorney deposing him is the son of a woman I’m acquainted with.
Jones is not limited to being a bad person. He is on Treasonous Traitor monstrous level. Imagine attacking people whose babies were murdered. So far beyond the pale.
When faced with the possibility of prison for perjury and answering to a very sharp attorney, Jones is a pathetic, sniveling coward. He disgusts and nauseates me, you, nearly all of us here on DFP and decent people everywhere.
“When faced with the possibility of prison for perjury and answering to a very sharp attorney, Jones is a pathetic, sniveling coward. He disgusts and nauseates me, you, nearly all of us here on DFP and decent people everywhere.”
Link?
I followed Sandy Hook.
I have a different opinion.
I’d like to (friendly) debate you on my program.
Or, would you prefer to slink away from the challenge?
Turns out Rick Perry has deserved some filth from his own actions in Ukraine, but it’s not related to Treasonous Traitor’s attempts to collude with them in his campaign against Handsy Joe.
Perry was handed a list of people Treasonous Traitor wanted on Ukraine’s energy board. The EU has a role in choosing or approving members nations boards and Ukraine’s was all set. Of course TT wanted board members that would joining him in cheating to give him special/illegal deals. Turns out Perry’s “smart glasses” were insufficient. They only doubled his IQ so he failed in his dirty mission.
http://bit.ly/320Ox8b
Great link, Debbo. I always knew there was more to Ukraine story than a quid pro quo spy deal.
More good news for Drumpf…..his golf courses in Scotland are shedding money to the tune of 22 million despite all them air force refueling bills and bussing troops to the golf courser to earn bucks for Drumpf.
If impeachment is necessary and for the good of the country, why has it not happened? And why is the party in control of the House conducting an unsanctioned “impreachment inquiry” without a vote, as is the precedent, AND behind closed doors with participation of the opposition party almost non-existent? One would think that had bona fide “high crimes and misdemeanors” actually taken place, the party in power would move forward in a transparent manner and do the dirty job they are constitutionally bound to do. One would also think that they had actually taken place (the high crimes and misdemeanors) the American people would be behind the effort in a number approaching 70-75%.
Instead, they conduct themselves in a manner reminiscent to 1930s Germany, post revolution Russia or China during Mao’s reign. As a citizen of “the land of the free and the home of the brave”, I find it ludicrous that law abiding men and women of good conscience who have sworn to “support and defend” the U.S. Constitution, would even think of conducting themselves in this manner. It certainly would appear to this veteran that this is far from the freedom and justice that so many brave souls gave their all to preserve over the course of the existence of this great republic.
The behavior being displayed by the Democrat party over the last 3 years or so has done more harm to the foundation on which our freedom is built than a million Donald Trumps could ever dream of doing. We have lost faith in our election process. We have seen our government spy on candidates for the highest office of the land, we have seen prosecutors investigate situations where there was no crime to investigate, and now we are pretending to impeach a sitting president because a segment of the country can’t accept that America spoke in November of 2016. For three, the Washington elite of both parties has been attempting a coup. The people behind all the chicanery will never accept the message America sent and have decided that they know better. They had best prepare themselves for an even bigger defeat in 2020. Prepare yourself to lose the House, lose seats in the Senate and Trump will continue to occupy the White House. Some one once said that you reap what you sew. If that is true, those responsible for what this country her president have gone through, best prepare themselves for a bumper crop of hate, bad faith and chaos boarding on what one might expect in a banana republic.
Well said, Randy. The middle of both parties were squelched by the neocon/neoliberal globalists. It’s a takeover. It’s a coup. It won’t work. Sell your Cisco stock.
Randy and John. Because Trump is the victim, right? Pretty funny. 😂
For the 50 millionth time, the house is under zero obligation to hold a formal vote, to hell with precedent. Why didn’t McCTurtle flockface give Merrick Garland the courtesy of a senate hearing and up or down vote? Precedent be damned.
Why didn’t impeachment happen earlier? Who had control of the house where impeachment starts until this past January? Precedent ignoring wingnuts. Which precedent ignoring party controls the Senate where the impeachment trial should take place except when wingnuts ignore precedent and decide not to bother with such a trivial matter as corruption that infects their entire party
Pretty hard to ignore collusion with Russia to interfere in a potus election with the candidate’s blessing. .Pretty hard t ignore obstruction of justice by drumpf and wingnuts in congress through the entire house select Russia investigation, and the obstruction that continues to this very day by traitorous wingnuts who have decided to use congress as a firewall to protect illegally elected drumpf.
Lets settle this once and for all. Put drumpf under oath under threat of perjury and ask him what time it is. then impeach him for lying because you, me and everyone behind the tree knows drumpf will lie. He can’t help himself and apparently his followers don’t care either.
Johnny Fraud, where did you recruit this live wire from?
If a sitting president could be indicted, we wouldn’t have to be bothered with impeachment.
Oh Randy, that horse is just as dead as it’s ever gonna get, so you can stop beating the poor “unsanctioned” beast now. You’ve undoubtedly been told multiple times now that no vote is necessary to begin an Inquiry, that is, a gathering of evidence. So let the dead horse rest in peace while you try out so other cheap shot.
Oh, “behind closed doors!” Could be a winner because the GOP and Lying Lunatic never, ever do anything sneaky or behind closed doors, right? If it’s behind closed doors, how do you know there’s so little GOP participation? The doors they’re behind are solid wood and kind of hard to see through. I will give you this, if the Democrats don’t release the information later, as they’ve promised, I’ll definitely join you in complaining.
The American people were never behind Clinton’s impeachment 70-75% so that was clearly improper, right? Just checking.
Using logic similar to yours, if everything is on the up and up, shouldn’t everyone be eager to honor subpoenas and testify?
Calm down and let the process run its course. If your hero is as squeaky clean as you think, we’ll find out soon enough.
In the meantime, are you okay with Deranged Doofus inviting China, Russia and Ukraine to help him with his reelection campaign?
Randy, Randy, Randy what a short memory span you have. Kinda like the goldfish Dale.
Here is a trek down memory lane for you regarding the impeachment of William Jefferson Clinton. https://www.famous-trials.com/clinton/881-chronology
Impeachment does not just happen overnight boys, it takes time to do that. Clinton’s impeachment started from the time he first was president and lasted until he left and was acquitted by the senate. Be patient my boy, Chubby will have his day in the barrel that’s affirmative.
George Conway tells it like it is. Yikes!!
“The fullness of Trump’s deteriorating mental state led Kellyanne Conway spouse George to tweet out, “Are we ready yet to have a full national conversation about the diseased mental state of the president of the United States?”
One person who was ready to broach that topic was former FBI assistant director of counterintelligence Frank Figliuzzi. “He is spiraling down into a dangerous, dangerous posture,” Figliuzzi told MSNBC, adding that Trump is acting “almost in total isolation.”
“He is in a corner all by himself and if you’re a foreign leader trying to assess him, you actually don’t know where this is going except that he is incredibly vulnerable,” Figliuzzi concluded.”
Look out Alaska, Chubby may want to sell you back on the cheap to Putin’s Russia for the holidays. EB5 Rounds will do the wrapping and Stretch will hold the bow with the same middle finger he is giving us all. Nice
Johnson finally did something great for the country, he voted with the rest of the 129 Republicans to rebuke Chubby! By golly, I think that’s pretty amazing for Johnson to do the right thing. Let’s see how long it will be before he goes into full pretzel.
“In a corner all by himself”—Indeed, any foreign leader behaving rationally and looking out for his country’s best interest sees an opportunity to take advantage of the usually strong if not impervious United States of America. The President of the United States is not thinking about his country’s military or economic interests, short-term or long-term. The President of the United States right now is a scared and angry little boy who wants nothing more than attention. Offer him anything that looks like a big deal that will make him look impressive for one news cycle, and he’ll do it, consequences for the future of his own nation or his allies be darned.
from pewresearch.org …….
The highest percentage of people calling for Clinton’s impeachment was only 44% and his job approval rating was 71% after he was acquitted.
While that initial boost faded over time, Clinton’s approval rating in August 1998 was still a robust 62%, where it remained for months – throughout his admission of the affair, the release of the Starr report and the opening of impeachment proceedings. Clinton’s approval hit 71% again in mid-December, after the House vote to impeach him.
Clinton’s impeachment process was generally unpopular, according to Center surveys during that time. Roughly three-in-ten or fewer Americans supported impeaching Clinton throughout autumn 1998 and even into mid-December, just before the House did so anyway. Only later in 1999, after Clinton had been acquitted, did retrospective support for impeaching him reach a high of 44%. (Note that question wording on this issue differed by survey, so direct comparisons are imperfect.
Pelosi’s mafia-daughter revolution is done.
She just lost one of her committees. This Soviet-style coup had no room for error or delay.
Impeachment in an election year? Stay classy, Democrats.
Word has is that her support in the HOR vaporized once the real “evidence” came-out.
That’s three attempts (assuming the third is unsuccessful).
Three strikes and you’re out?
The pressure of this situation is the only thing holding her mind together. When she retires in short order, I predict she’ll have a complete mental collapse .. maybe even be murdered because, in her old age and dilapidated state she is a huge risk to her organization.
Cory – “consequences for the future of his own nation or his allies be darned”
If you’re only getting your information from CNN, check out InfoWars for another perspective.
I have been following links at DrudgeReport.com as well.
Trump is not a king. He’s dealing with a very dysfunctional congress (HOR in particular). Getting things done in situations like this is messy.
After re-election and electing “trumplicans” to the house and Senate will create a great deal of leverage.
The military is doing pretty good, and most of the rank-and-file are happy we’re getting out of Syria. We’ve been there for 10 years, were only supposed to be there for 90 days.
That’s how these endless middle-eastern wars have always gone. The fighting IS the economy. I’m just not a war hawk, and I am extremely happy to see President Trump get the frick out of there.
Let’s pull more out asap and let the folks in the region sort that out themselves. We should not keep killing by the tens of thousands over there. In the 18 years since 9/11, that approach has only created more war and – no thanks – the Arab Spring.
I’d like to have a conversation with you still on my radio program so you and I can show that people with partisan views can still talk, live together, and be civil.
Anytime you get a free hour or two let me know and we can set it up.
Related – I’m having Leo Zagami back on the program soon. We’re working out the specifics.
I proposed recently on Spearfish City Limits a new Spearfish ordinance that I think you’ll really like.
Also, yesterday I did a Cannabis update .. I’m pretty sure NASD will see legal challenges to their initiative “process”. We’ll see, though ..
Thanks again for letting me post, and I apologize to everyone for and on behalf of mike from iowa. :D
jerry – “The fullness of Trump’s deteriorating mental state led Kellyanne Conway spouse George to tweet out”
Uff da! :D
So, this is saying there is some causation between Trump’s mental state (I watched his entire recent MN rally .. he’s just fine IMHO .. my fav part was the kissing Obama’s ass thing .. awesome) and some Conway’s jealous husband’s communication?
Seems dubious.
jerry – “Chubby will have his day in the barrel that’s affirmative”
Just one observation .. I think by “affirmative” you meant “fer sher dewd”.
That is all.
Infowars and Drudge? Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
Speaking of infowars, one of Jone’s bestest buddies was found guilty of defamation of SandyHook father and ordered to pay 450k for lying about the whole massacre.
This same tool and Jones himself are facing another defamaT5tion trial for the same massacre. Plus Jones is getting grilled in Texas about SandyHook and looks like he will lose that case as well.
Buh-bye infowars. It was never nice knowing about all your lies.
Trump is like a grape popsickle on a July day. Meltdown on a stick. His impeachment boycott is crumbling.
~ Gordon Sondland, the U.S. ambassador to the European Union, is scheduled to speak with House investigators today, the latest in a parade of Trump administration officials to defy White House orders not to cooperate.
Mr. Sondland is expected to testify that President Trump wanted Ukraine to investigate political rivals before he would agree to any Oval Office meeting. Such testimony will bolster the inquiry’s central allegation. That being election fraud and soliciting felonious foreign election intervention.
John Dale: The military is doing pretty good, and most of the rank-and-file are happy we’re getting out of Syria. We’ve been there for 10 years, were only supposed to be there for 90 days.
That’s how these endless middle-eastern wars have always gone. The fighting IS the economy. I’m just not a war hawk, and I am extremely happy to see President Trump get the frick out of there.”
So with the deployment of 1,800 troops to Saudi Arabia by President Trump, it seems like we are not “getting out of there” [the Middle East] as much as moving down the street. Again, it seems suspicious — troubling — that we can follow the money of Trump investments to see how foreign policy decisions are being made.
o – regarding the military to Saudi – we need to be ready to fight, not ready to police. This is the nuance of the distinction that I think helps understand why we’re in Saudi. Vegas was done by bad elements of Saudi, not a single actor. If you’d like my evidence, drop me a note personally. Do you have my email? It’s a very disturbing report. Recall that shortly after Vegas, Saudi had a small, violent flash civil war that I think was related.
To reiterate, while our carrier is down (below), we need to have a fighting force in the area. be ready to fight (and win), not ready to police (and spill our blood in the sand for decades).
‘In response to continued threats in the region, I’ve ordered the deployment to the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia of two additional fighter squadrons and supporting personnel, along with additional Patriot and THAAD air and missile defense batteries,” Esper said.
Defense officials told CNN the deployment will include 1,500 U.S. forces and is because the USS Harry S. Truman aircraft carrier is unable to be deployed to the region due to a broken electrical system.’
https://americanmilitarynews.com/2019/10/up-to-1800-troops-2-fighter-squadrons-and-more-deploying-to-saudi-arabia/
Porter Lansing – “a grape popsickle on a July day”
I agree! Refreshing, apropos, and welcomed.
Every time the impeachment thing ebbs, Trump makes millions of dollars for his campaign.
Have you noticed this?
He doesn’t even have to book a single room.
Nancy Pelosi .. poor thing. :\
I notice everything, John Dale. I also spend lots of time psychoanalyzing you and reporting to the Deep State. Eyes on you, comrade.
mike from iowa:
InfoWars. Drudge. I know these are not sanctioned news sources by your US domestic gestapo, but the reality is that they are very good sources of information to balance out *cough* CNN (CIA News Network).
Everyone should be checking and reconciling every source. Otherwise, you end-up like mike from iowa, an intelligencia cutout who hates America and its constitution.
Jones’ “best buddy” as you state is not an associate of Jones. Jones was even accused of writing the book! :D
Anyone who believes that Alex Jones – who questions everything like every good American should – harassed these families more than CNN is just not paying attention.
Check out Project Veritas right away to learn the truth about CIA News Network’s disposition .. FROM THEIR OWN EMPLOYEES.
Listening to mike from iowa causes a kind of brain rot that is difficult to reverse.
Go to the source. Info Wars, Drudge, CNN, Fox, MSNBC. All of them (FWIW drudgereport links to all of these and more very frequently, a good sign of impartiality).
Porter Lansing – “I also spend lots of time psychoanalyzing you”
I just finished Jack Copeland’s “Artificial Intelligence”. It’s a fantastic book that gets into how philosophers and technologists have been trying to recreate the human mind, aka a “thinking machine”.
Now, I’m faced with a decision. I’m either going to read Chaos by James Gleick (maybe my favorite author) or another old book recommended by my local librarian called The Rape of the Mind.
Last night, I perused some of the chapters in The Rape of the Mind, and I found a nice section that reminded me of you and your psychobabble.
“The Therapist as an Instrument of Coercion: I have seen quacks whose only knowledge was where to buy their couches. By calling themselves psychoanalysts they were able to gratify their own need to live other people’s lives. Eventually the law will have to establish standards which can keep these dangerous intruders from psychotherapeutic practice.”
The book was copyrighted in 1956, and exposes many of the sordid techniques in psychology and mind manipulation that are used to foist an ill conceived, but profitable for some, political disposition on an unsuspecting public.
Sell your Cisco stock.
Go home, boy.
ps – page 68.
So … you consider yourself a threat, then?
John, I must have typed my search in incorrectly; Project Veritas keeps coming up as a Right-Wing activist organization that seems to “report” by organizing sting operations and editing footage in unscrupulous ways. I also cannot be looking at the correct organization because this one contributes to the Trump campaign – how would that show the impartiality a news organization would need?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/nov/29/project-veritas-how-fake-news-prize-went-to-rightwing-group-beloved-by-trump
By finished, the fraud means he’s done scribbling on the pages with his crayons. Hang it up fraud. As a stand up comedian you suck green wienies. You need an intervention right alongside drumpf.
And i don’t feel the need to plump up any academic credentials to try to baffle people into believing I am a genius, like you and drumpf.
Gawd, what a nut.
o, Thanks for the Guardian link shedding light on Veritas.
Given Dale’s articulated sources for the statements in his comments (when he actually asserts a source), your verification efforts are appreciated and sharing your results is helpful in clarifying factual reality, which often seems highly suspect in the sources that Dale states he relies on.
Project Veritas – don’t be coy. Watch the footage. Be amazed. CNN is a J-O-K-E joke.
It’s over, now. Mick Mulvaney (acting White House Chief of Staff) just kneecapped his boss. He said, under oath, that the desire for Ukraine to investigate Democrats is partly “why we held up the money.” That, ladies and gentlemen, is a high crime and/or misdemeanor.
What were your thoughts on the interviews Project Veritas did with the google and facebook insiders?
Kind of amazing, huh?
He didn’t jump-cut or edit those stream-of-consciousness interviews and gives a nice lengthy account of the direct testimony from those organizations, who are violating the rights Democrats used to stand-up for.
James O’ is the archetype of a REAL JOURNALIST, as compared to the litany of frauds he just helped exposed at CNN (CIA News Network).
True that Porter, true that. More high crimes and misdemeanor’s from Chubby and the thugs.
“During the recent Democratic debate, Biden strangely said “what I think is important is we focus on why it’s so important we remove this man [Trump] from office on the 17th…” before stopping himself mid-sentence. Trump’s rally in Dallas, Texas is scheduled for the 17th.” — from InfoWars.com
InfoWars.com is also reporting that there will be an assassination attempt in Dallas today on the heels of Nancy Pelosi showing-off her bullet bracelet.
Human sacrificial crowd will drool all over themselves at this ..
Of course, human sacrifice is also a leading indicator of the fall of great civilizations.
Picture of the bracelet fondling here:
https://www.infowars.com/biden-its-so-important-we-remove-trump-on-the-17th-pelosi-shows-off-orange-bullet-bracelet/
O’Keefe should be in prison for trying to bug Senator Mary Landrieu’s office in New Orleans , among the other illegal stuff he did and tapes he selectively edited.
Is american military news Kellen Guida the very same teavangelical from tea party pantywais……patriots?
John Dale has twice today talked about either killing someone or someone being killed. That’s the line of talk that got Ol’Sarge a time out.
As the facts mount against Pootie’s Puppet, acolyte Dale gets wiggier. However, the entertainment factor increases.
Notice how he cannot fail to respond to every single comment. It just kills him. He’s like his hero.
Popcorn, salt, butter, drink, comfy chair. I’m ready Dale. Keep up the goofiness. 🤪🤪🤪
It has been some time since commenting because of some physical restrictions, but now I’m back on a limited basis.
With the untimely death of the great Civil Rights Leader Congressman Elijah Cummings, death has been on my mind all morning.
Now, with John Dale’s obsession with death and dying in Dallas it does seem that John Dale wants something to go bad in Dallas just to prove Alex Jones right.
Great leaders are sacrificed in Dallas, we all know the truth in that sacrifice.
Honestly, this kind of discussion should not be allowed on a state-wide political blog.
I’m glad you’re back Roger. I always miss your wisdom and insight when you’re not commenting.
Yes, Rep. Cummings’ death is a great loss. He was one of those people who had such character, such strength, such compassion all forged through great trials. I have been fortunate to have be living in a time of great Americans. Rep. Cummings was one of them.
“Donnie DarkHeart”. Love it, Porter. Perfect. Probably will steal it for the larger good. :-)
CNN employees didn’t seem too concerned with PV videos. Probably because they know everyone of them was edited to show a right wing nut job pov.
Don’t waste yer time with any videos the Johnny Fraud comes up with. What a joke.
Pelosi’s bullet bracelet is a reminder to pass gun restriction legislation. There is nothing sinister about it except the fevered dreams of the resident troll and infowars.
Roger, get well and stay that way. Hard to imagine DFP advancing without your strong and resolute voice from Rapid City. You know real stuff most of will never be privy to about your Native ancestors clear into modern discrimination.
Good to hear from you Roger, I echo what mike from Iowa posted.
More testimony coming against Lying Lunatic.
Per Axios:
“Michael McKinley, a career foreign service officer and Secretary of State Mike Pompeo’s de facto chief of staff until last week, told House investigators behind closed doors that he could no longer look the other way amid the Trump administration’s dealings with Ukraine, AP reports.
“I was disturbed by the implication that foreign governments were being approached to procure negative information on political opponents,” McKinley testified.
A Florida man accused of conspiring with associates of Rudy Giuliani to make illegal campaign contributions — David Correia, 44 — flew to JFK Airport in New York City to turn himself in, and was freed on bail. (AP)
https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/17/mulvaney-confirms-ukraine-aid-2016-probe-050156
Mulvaney essentially confirmed the quid pro quo drumpf’s been lying about. Wonder what dead Breitbart and others have to say? Probably what drumpf will say he never met Mulvaney and doesn’t know who hired him or what his job was.
I am shocked that Perry is resigning. Who knew that was coming? Chubby trumpy is losing cabinet members like an old dog loses ticks after a good powder. Who will replace someone as intelligent as Perry? Probably Ghouliani, he has the look of not to much energy. Maybe our own EB5 Rounds? He certainly has the know how of how to do corruption and not go to jail for it.
Perry is re-resigning again. He’s quoted by CBN, Christian Broadcasting Network, “As God as my witness not once was a Biden name — not the former vice president, not his son — ever mentioned.”
So we know that’s another lie.
Debbo – “so we know that’s another lie”
To “know” something requires more than testimony.
I’m involved in an investigation now wherein one of the witnesses provided a false account. So, it does happen.
mike from iowa says never watch or listen to anything I write or link to. I’m sure body would or is, Mike.
My information is just too hot.
Don’t touch it.
Sssssss…
Roger Cornelius: “this kind of discussion should not be allowed on a state-wide political blog”
What “kind of discussion”?
Why not go to the source.
I want Trump to live, to get a second term, to crush the deep state and put it in its place, end the corruption, and flip congress to force the darkness out of the DNC and RNC right now.
That’s on-record.
Because Alex Jones made that crazy (in the proverbial sense) report, Trump’s demise is less likely.
Let’s keep President Trump in our thoughts that he might be here tomorrow.
Debbo – “Notice how he cannot fail to respond to every single comment.”
If it were true, some might call this engaged, industrious, NOT LAZY, respectful, and active.
But you try to make it into a pathology.
Because I support President Trump.
That’s deranged.
Porter Lansing – “John Dale has twice today talked about either killing someone or someone being killed.”
Is the irony that in your statement, you are talking about the same things?
Isn’t what is said important?
So, “My grandpa was killed in the war.” is certainly okay.
“I don’t want President Trump to be killed” is certainly okay.
I think the only thing getting killed around here are your, Debbo’s, mike from iowa’s, and jerry’s arguments!
Porter Lansing – “That’s the line of talk that got Ol’Sarge a time out.”
That’s the kind of sham kangaroo BS that the house leadership is trying to pull on the President.
Debbo – I almost always reply to the BS. If you want me to be less busy and reply less .. well ..
Let’s keep Donald Trump in our thoughts and hope that he gets the mental health help he so badly needs.
America does not need a president that continually has public meltdowns.
I’m involved in an investigation now wherein one of the witnesses provided a false account. So, it does happen.
So you’re telling us you’re looking at a mirror? Is that right?
mike from iowa, methinks that John Dale is a wannabe CIA agent working secret ops and investigations.
Re: Perry resigning. What, again? Like we need somebody like that self-serving Interior Secretary from Montana (forget his name) who keeps haunting my mind like a Halloween ghoul.
You are likely right, Roger. Good health to you.
Here is the truth and nothing but the truth about Reject Veritas assault on CNN…..
https://www.thedailybeast.com/james-okeefes-cnn-sting-fizzles?ref=home
No there there. It is allegedly to come in the next video which contains no there there, either. Johnny Fraud and his fraudulent fraud finders are batting 0 for……….
James O’Keefe is Alex Jones with a video camera and a fake fur coat.
On DFP nearly all of us respect honesty and courage and recognize that Rep. Cummings was the embodiment of those qualities. If you can access FB, this link will lead you to a powerful speech about voting rights that Rep. Cummings made in the House committee he chaired.
https://www.facebook.com/908009612563863/posts/3086492654715537/?app=fbl
See, there goes Dale again. He just can’t stand not responding to Every Single Comment. Poor guy. He can’t do it. 🤪🤪🤪
Roger at 18:09.
You may be on to something. Watching Dale comments is akin to watching the craziness in Fried Face’s WH. Like his teenager letter to Erdogan. It only gets goofier.
The great negotiator gave Turkey everything they wanted in Syria and Drumpf and America got nothing in return, not even an end to these endless wars.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/mike-pence-just-ratified-all-of-turkeys-war-aims-in-syria?ref=home
I’m pretty sure infowar’s mouthpiece will disagree and I can point to Debbo and say how did I know . :)
mike from iowa – “gave Turkey everything they wanted in Syria”
Syria wasn’t ours to give away. That’s the point of that conflict. Sometimes you just have to let the two sides work it out however bad that may seem, the alternative of trying to police is worse because it turns into the Lucifer effect where both sides of the conflict we’re trying to mitigate turn on us.
Plus, we have a real problem domestically with 5G that we have to solve. :p
Robin Friday – you’ve done your home work. Bravo!
That fur coat was EPIC!!!
Debbo – you’ve manufactured a flaw that isn’t there .. you’ve filled a much needed gap. “You reply to stuff” is not a valid position. Your hair is a poodle, therefore your argument is invalid.
Axios has a good piece, sourced primarily from Stanford researcher Kate Starbird, about the campaigns of lies that come chiefly from Russia. She describes how willing dupes in the USA amplify those “misinformation” campaigns for Pootie because they sincerely believe the stories.
Now we don’t know if Dale’s pal “AJ” is a willing dupe or an on-the-payroll traitor. I suspect the latter. Anyway, the researchers tell us one of the ways to recognize a likely misinformation lie:
“Conspiracy theories tied to mass-casualty events: People are predisposed to find conspiracies in every tragedy, and conspiracy theories have accompanied all manner of mass-casualty events such as the Boston Marathon bombing and Sandy Hook shooting.”
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So yeah, your favorite “AJ” amplified conspiracy theory is probably a lie that came straight from Pootie’s boys.
Roger Cornelius – “Wannabe CIA”
Have you not been following my posts?
I’m a wannabe big tech CEO.
https://db2dom.com
Or, I’d settle for academia. I loved learning and the process of getting my degrees. When I am on campus and attending classes, I am really in my element.
Whatever happened to your project veritas hit job on CNN? Seems like it was much ado about a pile of imaginary doo. Pure dead Breitbart regurgitation.
Mr. Dale, is it your minions who have taken to sending me post cards addressed to 5Grudznick and gggggrudznick? Very cute.
Did you see the crazy fellow in Sioux Falls is probably going to jail? It made me wonder if you, too, sir, are one of those so called Sovereign Citizens. It seems a swell thing to claim to be.
Sincerely,
grudznick, the Living Man.
Just do that John Dale, join the world of academia since you really suck at the realities of the political world as they are today.
Once again John Dale can’t stay on topic, which is post-impeachment or even a current impeachment world.
John Dale’s stray dogs aren’t going to protect Donald Trump from the justice headed his way.
More Fried Face crimes:
“Traders in the Chicago pits have been watching these kinds of wagers with an increasing mixture of shock and awe since the start of the Trump presidency. They are used to rapid fluctuations in the S&P 500 index; volatility is common, of course. But the precision and timing of these trades, and the vast amount of money being made as a result of them, make the traders wonder if all this is on the level. Are the people behind these trades incredibly lucky, or do they have access to information that other people don’t have about, say, Trump’s or Beijing’s latest thinking on the trade war or any other of a number of ways that Trump is able to move the markets through his tweeting or slips of the tongue? Essentially, do they have inside information?”
Billions of bucks have been cheated on apparent insider trading scams. Fried Face is Filthy.
https://juanitajean.com/hanky-panky/#comments
Mick Mulvaney says Diplomatic Dunce is crooked:
“White House acting chief of staff Mick Mulvaney made a stunning admission Thursday by confirming that President Donald Trump froze nearly $400 million in US security aid to Ukraine in part to pressure that country into investigating Democrats.”
Next, Diplomatic Dunce hurts his arm patting himself on the back for saving civilization. Seriously. The entire Earthly civilization. Next? The Universe!!
I cannot make this stuff up. Not even Pootie’s boys can make this stuff up. Only a seriously disordered, disturbed mind can. Diplomatic Dunce tweeted:
“This is a great day for civilization. People have been trying to make this ‘deal’ for many years. Millions of lives will be saved.”
https://juanitajean.com/hanky-panky/#comments
Yeah, he’s tweeting about the gift Prissy Pussy Pency let Erdogan, Pootie and Syria have– the Kurd’s homeland and untold number of lives. I’ll bet they don’t feel very saved.
Just to illustrate the density and total lack of self-awareness that is endemic to the trump Family Crime Syndicate, Jr did his part.
Donald J Trump, Jr. is powerfully upset about Hunter Biden. So upset that he went on Sean Hannity and said,
“When you’re the father and your son’s entire career is dependent on that, they own you.”
🙄🙃🙄🙃🙄🙃🙄🙃🙄🙃🙄🙃🙄🙃🙄🙃🙄
Trump has had a damn turbulent day with his lies and distortions.
His own chief-of-staff outed him on his quid pro quo lie and backhanded his boss with the news of the illegal 2020 G7 conference to be held at his Florida golf club.
And of course Debbo is right that he saved civilization with what amounts to a 5 day pause in the war, not a cease fire.
Chubby and his republican accomplices have this as their theme song. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joNzRzZhR2Y
Good one Jerry.
Moscow Mitch and the boys are pushing for a quickie House investigation, then a quickie Senate “trial.” Nobody pushes Madam Speaker Pelosi anywhere.
“I have no idea,” Pelosi flatly told reporters at her weekly press conference Thursday. “The timeline will depend on the truth-line, and that’s what we’re looking for.”
is.gd/5l3GhE
BOOM! Take that, Moscow Mitch.
In a “Dear Colleague” letter this week, House Intelligence Committee Chair Adam Schiff informed Democrats the investigative committees could move to public hearings and eventually make transcripts of their interviews public. Schiff said nothing about the exact timeline but added continued White House defiance of the House probe will be considered as obstruction.
“We will consider defiance of subpoenas as evidence of the President’s effort to obstruct the impeachment inquiry, and we may also use that obstruction as additional evidence of the wrongfulness of the President’s underlying misconduct,” Schiff said.
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Say what? You mean Liar-in-Chief lied about this too? 😄😄
“According to the White House, a key part of Trump’s initial deal is China’s commitment to buy $40 billion to $50 billion worth of U.S. agricultural products. But nothing was written on paper, and China’s Commerce Ministry would not confirm that figure Thursday, saying instead purchases would be made according to Chinese market needs.”
“Let me be clear, there was absolutely no quid pro quo between Ukrainian military aid and any investigation into the 2016 election,” [Mulvaney] said. “The president never told me to withhold any money until the Ukrainians did anything related to the server.”
is.gd/7e8jDx
What he said was not what he meant to say so now he doesn’t mean it. 😄😄😄
The stooges continue bopping each other on the head. Nuk, nuk, nuk.
As long as this thread left the rails along time ago, there is this…..
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/18/world/middleeast/syria-ceasefire-kurds-turkey.html
Our former allies, the Kurds, blame another former ally, Turkey, for continued artillery shelling during drumpf’s alleged cease fire which is anything but. Drumpf requested serious help unpatting himself on the back for his amazing negotiating skills which he apparently left in the same bag with get a clew.
One moar thing, Johnny fraud, yer bud Drumpf was not assassinated in Dallas by Biden or Pelosi’s orange bullet bracelet. Time to put your infowars inspired fever dreams out to pasture where they can’t contaminate milk cows.
Roger Cornelius – Trump doesn’t seem to need any help. He’s doing great. 73. President of The United States. There were 30,000 waiting outside the rally last night. His speech was on FIRE and resonating with the American people; NO MORE WARS. AMERICA FIRST.
What we need is an economy that works for everyone and doesn’t drive people to insanity because of the corruption.
I loved the bit about privacy in his speech last night. But we won’t get that until America haters get back on the straight and narrow.
https://the-immoral-minority.com/new-poll-shows-that-52-of-americans-want-trump-impeached-and-removed-from-office/
At its highest point calls for Clinton’s demise was 44%.
grudznick – “is it your minions who have taken to sending me post cards”
I have no minions. If I did have minions, I am sure they don’t have a budget for sending out post cards.
I am not a Sovereign Citizen, but I have no issues with them. Link? I’d love to read it.
Somebody called you out in these forums awhile back as a BHP reporter. I’d start your investigation there, that is if Mark (assuming the accusation is true) would let you investigate something controversial (not likely).
Of note – When BHP does a fair story on 5G/LED, I’ll give them some respect. Until then, we line our bird cage with that unfortunate opportunity cost.
Roger Cornelius: “you really suck at the realities of the political world as they are today”
I’m sorry you feel that way. Are you sure that’s true, though? Cite your source.
In national politics, when I didn’t just run with every story that favored my position, made a good faith effort to be intellectually honest, and suspended judgement I started being right about stuff way more.
The confirmation in this thread is thick …
mike from iowa – “bud Drumpf was not assassinated in Dallas by Biden or Pelosi’s orange bullet bracelet”
I guess the attempt was thwarted.
John Dale, “I guess the attempt was thwarted.”
Good on you! Never give up the narrative — even when the facts do not support it — even when NOTHING supports it.
I am looking forward to your, “How do you know there wasn’t an attempt? You don’t know there wasn’t an attempt.” reply soon.
I find myself looking for themes, some big picture that pulls everything to gather into a tidy ball to make sense. (YEs, I am often disappointed.). President Trump’s theme seems abundantly clear, “America First!” However, that theme is misunderstood; for this President, “America” is him, “America” is “Trump.” President rump sees himself as the nation — what is good for HIS interests are how he sees, how he defines, the national interests. But that is the bubble he has lived his entire life in.
That will be the key to the eventual impeachment: let the President speak. He will say things like actions, clearly illegal, are OK because they helped him. That is what he has said about the Ukraine call: it was “perfect” because it suited his needs (therefore America’s needs in his head). IT is what his Chief of Staff said when speaking about how foreign policy is carried out: we do quid-pro-quo all the time (again substituting “American” interests with “Trump” interests). The downfall will not be in the facts – the facts are not in dispute. The downfall will be in the national realization that we elected a monarch that believes he is the embodiment of the nation — not the servant of that nation.
o – “resident rump sees himself as the nation”
You should let President Trump speak for himself. He did a great job of that last night in Dallas. Did you watch objectively?
o – “NOTHING supports it”
“[Only a sith speaks in absolutes]”
John, I don’t watch rallies (not the President’s not the Democrats’). I find campaigning non-news; I AM concerned with governance. I wish the President spent the time and thought on governance as he does on campaigning. President Trump has ushered in a new era of all-campaign all the time. He loves the show, the promotion, the lights on him. (Which all point to the theme I speak of above of conflating himself with the nation).
The Trump administration is testing a novel strategy for dealing with controversy and possible illegalities: Pretend you have nothing to hide by blurting it out loud. I believe he subconsciously wants to be disciplined. He had none as a boy. He had none when he cheated his way through Penn and he has none now. He’s openly admitting to crimes and trying to move the norms of how Republicans tolerate dishonesty. Impeaching Trump is like shooting fish in a barrel. As we watch curiously, we’re Letting Trump Destroy Trump.
o – “I don’t watch rallys”
This means that all of your analysis on President Trump’s sentiments come from second or third hand sources.
Are you afraid you might fall in love with President Trump’s actual policies? Or, would the cognitive dissonance created cause a mental meltdown?
Porter Lansing – Great .. more psychobabble.
Impeaching Trump like shooting fish in a barrel? You mean orange/gold fish?
Yikes, man.
Yeah, orange goldfish. That’s it. That’s the ticket …
~ For 39 minutes Thursday, White House acting chief of staff Mick Mulvaney turned the press briefing room into a sort of confession chamber, openly admitting to several acts that could deepen the legal predicament for the president. Trump is facing an impeachment inquiry into whether he has abused his office for personal and political gain and Mulvaney confirmed that Trump did just that.
Also, Gordon Sondland (EU envoy) said he contacted Giuliani, at Trump’s direction, after a May 23 meeting at the White House, and that Giuliani drew a direct link between scheduling a White House visit for Ukraine’s newly elected president and demands that Ukraine prioritize investigations targeting Joe Biden.
Drumpf has never, by any objective standards, delivered anything coming close to a speech. He is always in campaign liar lode and Johhny Fraud is emulating drumpf perfectly.
The only honest example of Trump actually reading from a book was by his ex-wife, during a divorce hearing. She noted that he kept a copy of Hitler’s speeches on the table, on his side of the bed. You can see the similarity. Hitler spoke in very simple phrases that appealed to the uneducated and easily manipulated. There are plenty of them in SD, since most of the best and brightest have moved to Minnesota.
How I objectively view drumpf’s lies. https://www.factcheck.org/2019/10/flurry-of-trump-falsehoods/
Porter Lansing – “he kept a copy of Hitler’s speeches on the table”
1) prove it
If 1 satisfied ..
2) prove he wasn’t reading it academically
mike from iowa – these are the ramblings of a deranged lunatic.
Provide some evidence ..
BTW, looks like the Trump campaign will sue CNN.
Good.
They are fascists in every realistic sense of the word.
Propaganda mill.
CIA News Network.
Trump’s Hitler Connection exposed …
https://amp.businessinsider.com/donald-trumps-ex-wife-once-said-he-kept-a-book-of-hitlers-speeches-by-his-bed-2015-8
I keep three books by my bedside. I would read a translation of mein kampf, but only out of academic curiosity. Would you? Or, would you be so soft in your convictions that you’d be afraid of becoming a Nazi?
Now, satisfy condition 2 or stfu. :)
Sorry to disappoint John Dale but he’s not playing with an open mind, thus attempts to teach him are worthless. Imagine trying to hold an intelligent back and forth with someone who said this,
“A group of thugs tapped into the treasury some 50+ years ago and used it to amplify their votes through blackmail, coercion, extortion, bribery, and force. In essence, a crime syndicate is stealing the vote using money to develop mind control techniques and purchase the free will of other people.
Now, these people have control of polling data. CNN (and others) use the polling manipulative power to try to create self fulfilling prophesies, but it only works when people don’t know how the hustle works.”
I post truths for all to ponder. John (self-consumed) Dale thinks I’m talking to him. That’s neurotic behavior, John. I know you get Medicaid so treatment is covered.
John Dale, “2) prove he [Trump[ wasn’t reading it academically”
How about your prove President Trump EVER read ANYTHING academically?
https://www.bustle.com/p/donald-trump-talking-about-the-books-hes-read-will-make-you-seriously-pine-for-the-days-of-barack-obama-18002340
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/01/americas-first-post-text-president/549794/
https://newrepublic.com/minutes/133566/donald-trump-doesnt-read-books
The best defense that President Trump does not read Hitler is that President Trump does not read PERIOD.
John Dale prove that the Trump campaign is going to sue CNN, have you reviewed the court filings?
Can you absolutely prove that the CIA controls CNN or vice versa, where is the factual evidence?
I saw several news clips of the Trump Dallas rally and sincerely believe he needs to be locked up for his own protection.
Roger, Fried Face does need to be locked up in a room with lots of padding. He needs to be detoxed from his Adderall and other drugs under medical supervision. He needs a real and thorough medical checkup and appropriate treatment for what is probably rampant high blood pressure, out of control cholesterol, fatty liver disease, diabetes, etc.
Last and most of all, he needs ongoing, in depth, mental health care for the rest of his miserable life, even in prison with the other criminals.
All of this at his own expense, of course.
“Trump did not intend to invite President Volodymyr Zelenskiy of Ukraine to a meeting in the Oval Office until Zelenskiy pledged to open an investigation that could benefit Trump’s political fortunes — bolstering a central allegation in the inquiry that the president steered foreign policy for political gain.”
Gordon Sondland, US Envoy to the EU.
is.gd/BTltuu
“William B. Taylor Jr., one of the top American diplomats in Ukraine, was deeply uneasy about what he saw as an effort by Trump aides to use a $391 million package of security assistance as leverage over Ukraine for political favors, calling the notion ‘crazy.’”
is.gd/BTltuu
Gentlemen, notice that Dale has not responded to any of the sourced facts I have posted here about Fried Face’s criminal acts.
Confirmation again that the “Deep State” is indeed real, and Fried Face runs it!
“It’s partly because this shadow foreign policy that the president was running was so deeply offensive to people in his own administration who took pride in overseeing a professionally run and arguably exemplary policy in support of Ukraine,” said Rep. Tom Malinowski, D-N.J., a former State Department official involved in the inquiry. Referring to Trump’s personal lawyer, he added, “And then to see the official policy undermined by this clownishly corrupt effort led by Rudy Giuliani on behalf of the president was just more than many people apparently could bear.”
is.gd/BTltuu
Debbo,
So, at the least Rudy Giuliani is a member of the shadow government or is the “deep state”.
John, “Are you afraid you might fall in love with President Trump’s actual policies? Or, would the cognitive dissonance created cause a mental meltdown?”
To the contrary, I absolutely agree with the President’s rhetoric that manufacturing jobs need to come back to US shores. I have been very disappointed that the rhetoric of the campaign has never matched up with policy initiates — yuge tax incentives still exist to ship jobs off to foreign manufacturing; business is still focused only on shareholder/stock profits and not on community responsibility and civic duty. It is easy to tell a crowd in the Rust Belt what they want to hear; it is much harder to deliver on a policy that puts men and women to work. I feel the same about infrastructure. I agreed with the President’s campaigning that a trillion+ dollar investment is what this nation needs (along with increased investment in education and removal of troops from Afghanistan); I still await the policy delivery on that promise.
The cognitive dissonance is not between my believes and the President’s populism, it is between the President’s campaign rhetoric and governance. It is between the supporters presidential support in the face of abject negligence in implementation.
Fried Face and the Stooges continue wallowing in their ineptitude.
“The Trump administration is testing a novel strategy for dealing with controversy and possible illegalities: Pretend you have nothing to hide by blurting it out loud.
“Why it matters: President Trump and his aides and allies seem to think that by being unapologetic and admitting things that would have touched off blazing scandals just a few years ago, they can move the goalposts of what’s acceptable to Republicans and the public.”
Axios, Mike Allen
So yeah. Fried Face is a criminal and a traitor to the great USA, but he thinks if he shouts it loud enough and his face gets even more fried, we won’t mind.
Its. Not. Working,
Fried Face’s charlatans, the so called “Evangelical Christian leaders,” are destroying Christianity just as fast as the Roman Catholic Church is by protecting their rapist and pedophile priests.
Mike Allen, Axios, has the numbers:
The share of Americans with no religious affiliation is rising significantly in tandem with a sharp drop in the percentage that identifies as Christians, AP’s David Crary writes, based on new data from the Pew Research Center.
Based on telephone surveys conducted in 2018 and 2019, Pew said 65% of American adults describe themselves as Christian, down from 77% in 2009.
The group that identifies as atheist, agnostic or “nothing in particular” — often referred to as the “nones” — now stands at 26%, up from 17% in 2009.
Both Protestants and Roman Catholics are losing followers:
Pew said 43% of U.S. adults identify as Protestants, down from 51% in 2009.
20% are Catholic, down from 23% in 2009.
How Fried Face is ruining the USA. The Economist cover says “Who can trust trump’s America?” over a drawing of Fried Face carrying his golf clubs onto a US military plane. The lead editorial begins this way:
From the lead editorial of The Economist:
“The pithiest summary of Donald Trump’s foreign policy comes from the president himself. Referring to the mayhem he has uncorked in Syria, he tweeted: ‘I hope they all do great, we are 7,000 miles away!’ Mr Trump imagines he can abandon an ally in a dangerous region without serious consequences for the United States. He is wrong. The betrayal of the Kurds will lead friends and foes to doubt Mr Trump’s America. …
“Human rights, democracy, dependability and fair dealing, however patchily honoured, are America’s most powerful weapon. If China and Russia had their way, might would be right. For the West, that would be a profoundly hostile world.”
Mike Allen, Axios
This happened from SD Catholics years ago. RCC and Boy Scouts of America are lobbying heavily (with all that tax free money) to stop an extension of victims of pedophilia’s time to sue. It’s well known that victims often aren’t able to mentally approach their abuse until later in life. Such self serving evil from the heart of child abusers.
https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/investigations/2019/10/02/catholic-church-boy-scouts-fight-child-sex-abuse-statutes/2345778001/
Johnny Fraud, start posting factual and verifiable articles or stfu, twice!
BTW what happened to yer reject veritas undercover operation that turned out to be a joke. You didn’t bother to answer. Maybe it was thwarted.
Steve Kornacki, MSNBC, lists the latest national polls, none by NBC, and shows results. 3 of the 4 show a majority of about 10% favor impeaching Fried Face. The other one shows a favorability of about 5%.
Our long national nightmare will end!!!
“Steve Kornacki goes to the big board to break down the latest polling behind the impeachment inquiry. Support for President Trump’s impeachment is higher than when Presidents Nixon and Clinton were beginning to face their own impeachment inquiries.”
o – “face of abject negligence in implementation”
President Trump has been dealing with Mueller and an out of control HOR.
This impeded the implementation of all of the items on his agenda, but he’s acting in good faith.
Have a super weekend.
Debbo – “Dale has not responded to any of the sourced facts”
I’m suspending judgement and watching to see if any more committee chairs kick it.
I have also been busy putting my Trump sign in the window.
Sorry for the delay.
Porter Lansing – “That’s neurotic behavior”
You are a walking contradiction that projects his own inadequacies onto others, and longs to live a life of someone else more interesting?
https://www.scribd.com/document/430922605/C-Harder-CNN-Re-Pres-Trump-Trump-Campaign-10-16-19#fullscreen&from_embed
Debbo – jeezus .. either you want me to respond to you or you don’t. Make up your mind! :D
Alex Jones uses bullhorn to attract a zombie horde on purpose:
https://www.infowars.com/antifa-attacks-journalist-dallas-police-stand-down/
Dumb as dirt Johhny Fraud idol, Drumpf, got fact checked by women astronauts in the space station. Drumpf, as usual, was attempting to show off his vast knowledge of nothing and succeeded bigly.
Cheer up soon to be ex bogus potus, drumpf. You still have one slavishly devoted fan in South Dakota and he is no stranger to your fantasy alternative facts world.
As for the alleged out of control house, that was from 2011 to 2019 when dingbat wingnuts ruled the roost. The house is actually passing all kinds of legislation and wingnuts in the senate won’t allow them to be brought up for votes. Drumpf had a compliant house and senate and got nothing done. Blame drumpf and wing ut stoopidity for that, Fraud Troll.
mike from iowa – after the next election, I might be framing some of your comments. They are priceless! :D
The drumpf thing is a deep state talking point/recommendation. How did you pick that up?
I mean .. drumpf .. is that an insult or something? How does that even work? I really want to know.
If I were to call you mikef, are you supposed to be insulted?
Or, if you called me Johnf, would I be insulted?
Some people thrive on conflict while some people endure it seeking strong positions.
Your insults aren’t leading to strong positions, they just put you out there to look like a moron.
Join civil society, mike from iowa. Consider that you might have been wrong about President Trump’s election in 2015. He actually DID get elected, and he actually might get elected again.
Are you going to go “full retard (you never go full retard)” — RDJ if he wins again in 2020?
From the AP Wire regarding Clinton. Looks like she’s off-the-hook legally for now, but that she incompetently used technology (private email server) that was hacked and released sensitive information to other countries:
“WASHINGTON (AP) — The State Department has completed its internal investigation into former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s use of private email and found violations by 38 people, some of whom may face disciplinary action.
The investigation, launched more than three years ago, determined that those 38 people were “culpable” in 91 cases of sending classified information that ended up in Clinton’s personal email, according to a letter sent to Republican Sen. Chuck Grassley this week and released Friday. The 38 are current and former State Department officials but were not identified.
Although the report identified violations, it said investigators had found “no persuasive evidence of systemic, deliberate mishandling of classified information.” However, it also made clear that Clinton’s use of the private email had increased the vulnerability of classified information.
The Associated Press sent an email seeking comment to a Clinton representative.
The investigation covered 33,000 emails that Clinton turned over for review after her use of the private email account became public. The department said it found a total of 588 violations involving information then or now deemed to be classified but could not assign fault in 497 cases.”
Hillary Clinton not being in jail as of the 2020 is certainly not good for Trump .. but I think we’ll live.
John, what has happened in the investigation to President Trump’s and Ivanka’s use of private e-mail for government business?
I assume you care about the issue (of appropriate use of technology by our government’s highest officials)- not just partisan hackery.
Don’t tell Dale where Drumpf comes from. He’s afraid of GOOGLE and wanders around in a fog of ignorance and malformation.
o – “what has happened in the investigation to President Trump’s and Ivanka’s use of private e-mail for government business”
I missed the part where Trump and Ivanka tried to delete the emails (which were kept at the NSA) and took Bleachbit to the hard drives of the server.
Why did Clinton’s people do that?
Recall that these emails were related to a specific event – Benghazi.
“Clinton team produced what it said were all her work-related emails to the State Department and then ordered its tech people to destroy everything, and then put a new policy in place in which no emails would be saved for more than 60 days … The staffer used the now-notorious BleachBit to do the work, and manually deleted a backup as well … it seems fair to conclude that staff on the Clinton team destroyed material that was under subpoena.” — Washington Examiner
But in short, if Barr doesn’t want to go after Clinton for this, it may mean he’s got a better case in another area.
Porter Lansing – “He’s afraid of GOOGLE ”
Not being afraid of google is like not being afraid of sharks. Sure, you can pretty easily distance yourself and remain reasonably safe, but if you’re in the water and there’s chum, you’re advised to take precautions.
I like DuckDuckGo.com because they have a stronger privacy value proposal. Privacy and the 4th Amendment go hand-in-hand. I like the 4th Amendment. State actors who abuse information access rights belong in jail.
John, “President Trump has been dealing with Mueller and an out of control HOR.
This impeded the implementation of all of the items on his agenda, but he’s acting in good faith.”
I cannot give you that, John. When elected, the President had the House and Senate with GOP majorities. The things I listed, incentivizing US manufacturing, investing in infrastructure specifically, were center of his campaign and strongly supported my Americans across the political spectrum. There NEVER was a “good faith” effort to move those forward. The House being Democratic (thus a real threat of impeachment not being obstructed for partisan reasons) is a relatively new development in his presidency. This President was ineffectual in leading his own party to the agenda he had campaigned on with positive results. You cannot lay that ineffectiveness at the feet of Democrat’s; the GOP ones that. I may even argue the greatest obstructionist of all time, Mitch McConnell, the GOP Senate Leader, has clearly usurped President Trump as the leader of the GOP. That denotes a weak President.
The House has done a LOT. You might not like what they have done, but nobody can seriously make an argument that impeachment has been the ONLY thing the House has moved on.
As far as real actions, the only legislative successes are in the category of a continues wealth grab by the 1%. Somehow the Billionaire manages to keep his own pockets lined — and that is a problem for me — especially when that Billionaire ran on populist promises. I suppose policy credit also has to be given to racist/discriminatory/nativist policy, but few to want to call those “successes.”
o – Trump has been following the agenda he lined-out dutifully, while making concessions when resistance was too strong or contemporaneously insurmountable.
I would also disagree that the GOP that came to office with him was genuine. It was packed with neocons, the counterpart to the neoliberal in the DNC, who are paid off by the currency printing presses of global banking families.
Here is the agenda he laid-out in the RNC acceptance speech that I hold him to (not necessarily results, but good faith efforts .. hey, you can’t score a touchdown on every possession):
https://PlainsTribune.com/trump
John, “I missed the part where Trump and Ivanka tried to delete the emails (which were kept at the NSA) and took Bleachbit to the hard drives of the server.”
I missed the part where Ivanka, the President, and other WH cabinet members followed ALL the procedures that Secretary Clinton was accused of not following. Again, you want to say that what Sec. Clinton did was uniquely wrong, and I can concede that, but the base violation is still the same. Are you taking the position that it was OK for the Trump administration to do the things that lead “lock her up” chants at President Trump’s rallies?
President sees himself as above the law — even law he calls others out for not following.
Mrs. Clinton as well as Colin Powell used her server for business AND private e-mails. She turned over all business related correspondence and bleached the personal. We all know what a field day the GOP would have had releasing private conversations about her family and grandchild during the campaign. Good job, Hillary. Way to stay one step ahead of the frothing wolfpack.
o – Neither Secretary Clinton nor President Trump are beyond reproach. But Clinton’s people deleted emails under subpoena and 38 violations were discovered. We haven’t had that kind of revelation under President Trump, yet. The fallout of Clinton’s leadership at State was the Arab Spring. Lots of deaths .. and remember this? Maybe they were trying to hide some charitable work because they just didn’t want all the adulation. ;)
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/01/03/fire-reported-bill-and-hillary-clintons-new-york-house/1001184001/
Join civil society, mike from iowa. Consider that you might have been wrong about President Trump’s election in 2015. He actually DID get elected
You are a delusional, unintelligent moron nut. I rest my case.
Bleachbit? Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
“the report identified violations, it said investigators had found “no persuasive evidence of systemic, deliberate mishandling of classified information.” As John Dale just posted, Hillary Found Innocent. The 38 instances of abuse were done by people sending her emails, which she had no control of.
~ You’ve been shot down, Dale. Now just quietly bleed out, while I watch.
Elijah Cummings, RIP, walked the walk and talked the talk. He lived and breathed and endured. Drumpf talks the walk only through the fever dreams of one John Q Fraud and then drumpf continually lies about it.
Elijah Cummings earned his spurs walking with Martin Luther King, Jr.
Drumpf earned his spurs from a shady Doctor, his daddy paid, to keep him out of Vietnam.
mike from iowa – are you referring to the typo? Perhaps you are wondering what this is?
Otherwise, I’m not following the maniacal laughter.
Rushing to judgement and relentless pursuit of confirmation bias is so 2012.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BleachBit
Porter Lansing – “Now just quietly bleed out, while I watch”
You read the article. Good job.
Bleed out? If that’s an analogy meaning “watch the election and accept the results like a grown-up” – okay!
You can rest easy tonight knowing you did your part from a distance to turn SD purple or blue or whatever.
The next legislative session opens in what … January?
You should upgrade your keyboard so you’ll be ready to defend .. whatever it is you’re defending.
:)
Have a super day,
John Dale
mike from iowa – Orange man bad! Orange man very bad!
In case you need to head to your safe space for awhile:
http://trumpdonald.org
Porter Lansing – are you able to discuss your tours in Vietnam?
With all the impeachment stuff going on it has me reflecting on the context of our nation. I wasn’t politically alive when Clinton was impeached, but I remember the scandal and I know Drudge made a lot of hay from the scandal in the WH.
I read this statement this morning:
“The American public has endured so much public corruption for so many years that it is frankly unable to identify it or appreciate the debilitating nature that it represents. America has become habituated to corrupt politicians and the evaporation of public service as honorable.” — Lionel
Smart people know corruption is everywhere, and a generation or two has been brought up to believe that the profitability of acceptance of the corruption is the smart and noble play.
It isn’t like this for everyone, but that the Trump presidency means for me is for the populace to express its will to get rid of the corruption. Ignoring the ramifications, outcomes, or shady dealings, Trump’s election is a statement.
We should all be rooting against corruption. If that means rooting for President Trump, so be it ..
Johnny Fraud, slither over to Field negro blog so I can tell you just exactly what I think about your deliberately, despicably, deplorable garbage you repeat about how innocent and uncorrupt drumpf and his whole criminal enterprise family is.
You are in double jeopardy. If the white coats don’t grab you the squirrels most assuredly will. You are a freaking nut case.
mike from iowa – what’s the link, adventure pants?
Mr. Dale … I was drafted into the Army during Vietnam. I don’t care to share any further information with you. I will share this, which you miss if you only use Duck Duck for a search engine. I GOOGLED, “What’s wrong with people who believe Alex Jones?” Turn out Alex said in a recent deposition that himself and those like you suffer from a “psychosis”.
~ Psychological science consistently finds when a lie gets repeated, it’s slightly more likely to be misremembered as truth. It’s called the “illusory truth effect.” It’s a tendency the whole news media — as well as consumers of news — should be wary of. And it’s a reason not to give notorious BSers such a substantial spotlight. Especially BSers like Alex Jones whose lies hurt others and whose lies have a track record for virality.
~ Jones even acknowledged this “illusory truth effect” to a certain degree in his deposition released this week: He blames the media for making it harder to discern falsehoods from reality. “You don’t trust anything anymore, kind of like a child whose parents lie to them over and over again, well, pretty soon they don’t know what reality is,” Jones said in the deposition video.
In short, you’re psychotic and we normal folks need to pity you, not criticize you. Help is what you need not arguments. Makes sense, huh? Maybe a few weeks in the woods might help your psychosis?
You’re quoting Lionel, Mr. Dale? We’ve both got roots in Florida but Mike Lebron’s more of a greedy so and so than I. He does know much about my group, though. Want to know more? Of course you do. lol Find us on 4Chan
Q ~ #WWG1WGA
“where we go one, we go all.”
John, are you taking the position that congressional subpoenas must be honored — or does this apply only to Secretary Clinton, or Democrats, or just anyone but President Trump and his people?
Or have I missed you rail against those in this administration who have stated and demonstrated their outright refusal to comply with subpoenas?
BTW, I do root against corruption; it is for that I rally AGAINST President Trump — and with that we are back at mu original theme/thesis: this President sees himself as the nation. He has conflated his concerns with the nation’s. Helping one’s self OVER the interests of the nation at large defines corruption.
o – do you consider this to be a valid inquiry, held behind closed doors not following any particular proven event? The Ukraine call was a vacuous claim, proven such after the release of the transcript.
A diplomat died unduly under Clinton’s leadership after a puzzling stand-down.
Again, do you consider this a valid inquiry given that the inquiry was not preceded by a vote of the HOR?
Really, and I think any rational person would have to admit this, what is happening in HOR is a complete isht show.
Compared with the request for Clinton’s emails at the time was reasonable, then she scrubbed them. It was also a national security breach as per the findings of the investigation (30+ instances).
Is it not a completely different context?
Porter Lansing – “Alex said in a recent deposition that himself and those like you suffer from a “psychosis””
Looking further into this issue, you’ll find that Alex Jones testified that he had “like a psychosis” when it came to big events. He always felt compelled to look into them because the government had been proven behind so many shady acts, research projects, and public experimentation.
He was never diagnosed with a psychosis, nor did he self diagnose as having one. He did, however, explain why he thought the government was behind the shooting – they have been behind them before .. many times (something you should know after traveling in military circles)!
Speaking of psychosis, psychopathy, and sociopathy – saying this – “you’re psychotic and we normal folks need to pity you” – over and over doesn’t make it true, but some people might believe you.
You know that the Q psyop moved, right? It was on 8chan.
Q? You mean the great Mason counter InfoWars psyop?
A lot of good folks got caught-up in that bull crap.
Sop please .. to get credit for it, you have to sign your name to it. That’s one thing that makes Alex Jones leaps and bounds more credible than Q.
It does not follow that because Lionel said something cogent, that I should also believe in and follow Q.
No argumentum ad hominem, Porter!
“David Duke says children should brush their teeth before going to bed.
So does Tulsi Gabbard!
Are you seeing the pattern here?!”
— Mark Dice
“[I saw a guy at Starbucks today.
No iPhone.
No tablet.
No laptop.
No 5G.
He just sat there.
Drinking coffee.
Like a Psychopath.]”
— Porter Lansing
;)
I applaud you gentlemen for your efforts to not allow Dale’s delusions to stand.
It is a very strange thing to watch a psychotic mind’s response to truth and facts. I’ve actually become somewhat used to it after 2+ years of Lying Lunatic, but now reading Dale’s posts, a South Dakotan, brings the weird feeling again. I look outside and see that, indeed, the sky is still blue and the grass is still green and the delusions are still his. Wow.
Mass psychosis = trumpelstilskins. 😮
That’s a blatant, self serving lie, Dale. Alex Jones absolutely and 100% said he had a psychosis. He self diagnosed to gain sympathy in court. You can say you’re not psychotic over and over but each time less believe you, huh Debbo? It’s the illusory falsehood effect. Pity you boy.
Q has moved continually since Lincoln. What ‘ya gonna do about us, pale face?
+ the fixation on Hillary Clinton is also somewhat psychotic. On the other hand, trumpelstilskins are generally racist and misogynist so a strong, unapologetic woman would be a logical target. That’s why AOC and The Squad drive them wild.
@8kun
Good advice to one and all. Also describes the Troll nicely. Ignore Rant!
Debbo – “a psychotic mind’s response to truth and facts”
I’ll respond to this, even though the neoliberal propensity has been called-out in large and credible channels. It is culturally unhealthy to let something like this stand.
“You don’t agree with me, therefore you must be crazy” – this is not an argument, it is an unfounded accusation and a character assassination. It’s also why you lost the last election.
Porter Lansing – “[Alex Jones absolutely and 100% said he had a psychosis]”
More projection. Show me the quote. You can’t. “Like a psychosis” caused by “[a pathologically serially dishonest commandeered government]”
As convenient as it is for you to put “self serving” words in Alex Jones of InfoWars’ mouth, to do so is a sociopathy.
Debbo, keep stroking them. It won’t change the fact that it is not “crazy” to be conservative. What Soros (the guy who funds MPP and by extension NASD?) is encouraging Antifa to try vs. The US Marines .. now THAT’S crazy.
So, the former Ukrainian prostitutor forced out of his job for not doing his job, is the source of the false allegations against Hunter Biden, and Screwdy rudy has an affidavit from Sholkin that proves it, or not.
https://the-immoral-minority.com/it-appears-the-origin-for-the-conspiracy-theory-about-hunter-bidens-ukraine-deal-was-the-prosecutor-that-his-dad-helped-to-force-out-of-his-job/
And Rudy is still not a registered lobbyist and according to Drumpf the Dumb, he is not a member of the administration.
Also, too still yet, I heard the world’s sickest joke repeated today. You know the one where some Tom Fool declares Drumpf the Dumb is fighting corruption. The punch line appears to be he is trying to shrink the swamp by exponentially expanding it every chance he gets.
One last shot, as for someone sleeping with three books, is he reading them phonetically?
Debbo – “racist and misogynist”
That is a moronic comment given that some of my conservative role models are Sarah Sanders Huckabee, Michelle Malkin, Tulsi Gabbard, and Candace Owens.
Will you hate on these multi-colored conservative women and risk actually BEING a racist and misogynist?
Holy cow. No wonder the democrat party is doing so poorly in SD. You marginalize independent minds .. just because?
The filth just gets filthier for Immoral Imbecile and his boys.
“[America First] PAC received $325,000 from Global Energy Producers, the Florida energy company that is now at the center of a presidential impeachment inquiry. The PAC was referred to as ‘Committee 1’ in the federal indictment of Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman.”
“The indictment also alleges that Fruman and Parnas promised to fundraise for Jeff Sessions.”
Yes, the little weasel is part of this too. Are we surprised? We are not.
“Last year, a Department of Defense contractor quietly donated half a million dollars to a group supporting President [Immoral Imbecile’s] reelection.”
“The American subsidiary of a Canadian company made three donations totaling $1.75 million to America First in 2018. In another complaint, the Campaign Legal Center questioned the source of the donation and alleged that Wheatland Tube LLC may have violated laws against foreign nationals contributing to federal campaigns.”
is.gd/iBWfg3
Immoral Imbecile doesn’t think laws apply to him. He might realize, as he squints through prison bars at the outside world, that he’s wrong.
mike from iowa – the wheels are going to fall off this thing. Brace yourself. I got this from Robert Barnes’ twitter.
– Adam Schiff staffer flew to Ukraine days after “whistleblower” complaint
– 1st meeting was with Bill Taylor, star witness in Schiff’s secret impeachment hearings
– BIG: Trip was *PAID FOR BY* Ukrainian company Hunter Biden works for.
Also:
“the Obama White House invited Ukrainian law enforcement officials to a meeting in January 2016 as Trump rose in the polls on his improbable path to the presidency. The meeting led to U.S. requests to the Ukrainians to help investigate Manafort”
Lastly,
“Pro-Hillary Government Officials in Ukraine interfered in US election, Kyiv court rules”
https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politics/publication-of-manafort-payments-violated-law-interfered-in-us-election-kyiv-court-rules.html
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Translation, in short, the real collusion was that Ukraine was used as a DNC information laundromat against the American people.
Back in 2001 when I was working for Pearson, it was pretty standard technology news that many of the hacks were coming out of the Ukraine, interestingly.
If you wanted to crack the original iPhone, you had to get the OS from a Ukrainian outfit to jailbreak it.
Ukraine has been used as a proxy for dark handed stuff for a long, long time, and President Trump had the audacity to clean it up .. even as a eunuch (right, Debbo?)
Nope, conservatism isn’t crazy, Dale is psychotic. Yes, women can be racist or misogynist.
Pitiful, just pitiful dodges. Twist and turn, avoid reality. 😁😁 Psychosis in action, craving attention.
In the meantime, his hero, the ultimate psychotic, narcissist, Fried Face, is a criminal and he’s confessing faster than Rep. Schiff and the other Congressional committees can keep up.
What does Hillary Clinton’s emails of 5 or 6 years ago have to do with the impeachment of Trump.
Debbo – why do you feel it necessary to respond to everything that I write, even when you really have nothing to add?
I idolize these women. They are great role models.
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In other news, here’s what’s coming out China about Trump’s trade posture.
“on Saturday, China’s Vice Premier and top trade negotiator, Liu He, spoke to a technology conference audience and for the first time adopted the position represented by the Trump administration for over a week, namely that last Friday’s “Phase 1” of the deal represented “substantial progress in many fields” and laid “an important foundation for the signing of a phased agreement.”
“Stopping the escalation of the trade war benefits China, the U.S., and the whole world. It’s what producers and consumers alike are hoping for,” he added.”
Debbo, jerry, Porter Lansing, mike from iowa – LOL .. the four amigos. Teach me your handshake. Please? :D
Handshakes or hand grenades, Chubby has taken us down the road to Crimes Against Humanity.
” I am not sure that even we fully appreciate just how far the United States has fallen with respect to our actions on the world stage. It is easier to see from the outside, or by people who have worked in international relations for some time. The people with such experience, United States diplomats, have new concerns that the International Criminal Court in The Hague could charge the U.S. government, and its leadership, with crimes against humanity for the Syrian decision.”
We rank right up there with the other despots in the world, kind of makes a goldfish like Dale swell with pride.
White phosphorus being used on the Kurds. That is some wicked stuff man, to see it explode gives you a chill knowing the effects of it. Chubby has disgraced us all, but EB5 Rounds and Stretch still have the support going for Chubby. Those two are like a jock strap.
Goldfish Dale, the article continues as follows.
“But Liu’s emphasis on equality and mutual respect indicated Beijing was aware of mounting calls in the US for a tougher approach to China to push the two nations to decouple and the trade war to continue, the commentary said.
“This point [about equality and mutual respect] is very important from now until the signing of a phased deal,” it said.
Despite Beijing and Washington both expressing optimism about prospects for negotiations, some elements of the deal, such as the enforcement mechanism, remain unclear.”
As the Mnuchooo said more or less ” We are going to have more offices for both sides to deal through” Natta thing has changed. Same old crap sandwich for the farmers and the citizens who are paying more for less.
Debbo – “Dale is psychotic”
This is defamation.
Are you sure you don’t want to put in a little more effort and focus less on me, more on the issues?
Roger Cornelius – “[emails and Trump]”
In following along with the thread, which can get a little difficult sometimes when it is flat and not nested and contextual, we were comparing Clinton’s avoidance of congressional inquiry regarding the emails with Trump’s avoidance of congressional inquiry for what I believe is an invalid impeachment proceeding, and not just because Elija Cummings’ signatures were forged on multiple documents.
jerry – “kind of makes a goldfish like Dale swell with pride”
Speaking of despotism, what are your thoughts on the Arab Spring?
jerry – the jury is out regarding the China trade deal. Let them deliberate. Why have a disposition to poison it? We want it to succeed, right?
Rooting against this trade deal because you don’t like President Trump would be sociopathic.
Johnny Fraud called Debbo an Amigo. That is defamation. Maybe you better stick to spewing right wing falsehoods somewhere else.
I do not root against a trade deal, I point out that whatever has happened still is meaningless in the big scheme of things. Chubby started this fraud, so it will be up to someone to end it. No matter how much you want it to be otherwise, the pendulum has not swung in either direction. Now if we’re talking about bigger offices filled with more paper shufflers, then, that is what we shall have. More paper and ink for the shredders.
Excellent info Jerry. I heard about the white phosphorus too. Sickening. They’re using it on cities– children, women, elderly, hospitals, schools. This is Erdogan, one of Immoral Imbecile’s heroes. What he’s doing is simply monstrous.
“EB5 Rounds and Stretch still have the support going for Chubby. Those two are like a jock strap.”
True, with the same stink. Great analogy. The GOP is Immoral Imbecile’s jock strap. All credit to Jerry.
As for the bigly progress on China trade deal, all that was reported was the deal foundation was in place and no details have been hammered out yet. Big effing announcement by maker of mountains out of mouse droppings.
My infantry unit carried a couple of white phosphorus hand grenades that were supposed to be used to destroy radio’s if we were gonna get overrun. My CO said to hell with that and he told the higher ups no deal so those big ugly things went back to wherever they came from. We did use those “willy pete” artillery rounds for marking rounds when we set up DT’s (Defensive Targets) around perimeters or when we got lost, which actually happened to us on the Laotian frontier some 50 years ago.
Here is the kind of hell being unleashed on the Christian Kurds allowed by Chubby and his gang, including the two senators from South Dakota. Stretch is the number 3 man on the pole dance and he is damn quite about his support for this ethnic cleansing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-GY-B4e7rc
John, I absolutely think the Ukraine call, and associated extortion/quid-pro-quo of foreign aid for personal, political use of the President is a valid inquiry. The ask for help on bringing dirt on a political opponent is a valid inquiry.
1. The transcript that details the facts of the impropriety is not in question. The President said he did it; he released the transcript that shows he did it. He doubled-down and asked China to do it too. That the President asked foreign governments of help to oppose his political opponent (and his family) is not in question. This is an act – at least in abstract – the even GOP leadership condemns (until it is their guy doing it in real time). Exposing who else was involved in this is worthy of inquiry. I am curious, what do you think was the “vacuous claim” made of that call that the transcript proved? That the President called it “perfect” is not a defense of the wrongful act. Having the Chief of Staff later say this was how they do things all the time was not defense of the wrongful act.
2. The house does not need to vote to have an inquiry; that power is a given. I do believe there needs to be a vote to pass on the articles of impeachment to the Senate. That vote will happen if the evidence warrants it; at this point the evidence certainly does. How deep and broad the wrong doing goes is the inquiry — NOT the underlying wrongful act.
I also think that the misnomer of this being the rooting out of corruption needs further testing: has this President called for the investigation of corruption of anyone OTHER THAN his political opponents? More the case, I have seen President (and candidate) Trump throw around false accusations to pull down political opponents: citizenship, fathers being involved in Presidential assassinations . . . I also think the irony (hypocrisy) of this administration looking outward – rather than inward – for corruption is not lost.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/10/probe-clinton-emails-ends-no-deliberate-mishandling-classified-information.html
to coin a phrase drumpf used to describe his criminal acts, HRC has been completely exonerated in another witch hunt by wingnuts that lasted longer than the Russian investigation and you didn’t hear HRC whine daily about it, did you?
mfi, The New York Times noted the exoneration of Clinton. In that article they also note
“Mr. Trump’s own administration officials — including his daughter Ivanka Trump and son-in-law Jared Kushner — have admitted to using private messaging services to conduct official work. House Democrats’ impeachment inquiry has revealed that Trump administration diplomats used private phones to message each other about their efforts to pressure Ukrainian officials to investigate the president’s American political rivals, including the Bidens.”
Quick someone, tell Chuck Grassley that there is something very similar happening right in front of his dumb look.
NY state has closed a legal loophole that Kriminal Kook had promised to his co-conspirators.
“The pardon bill allows for the prosecution at the state level of any individual who was employed by or served in the executive branch, served in a position subject to Senate confirmation, or worked for a presidential campaign or transition team, regardless of whether they had been pardoned or granted clemency by the president under which they served. It would similarly allow prosecution of presidential relatives regardless of pardon.
“The bill, which was passed by the state legislature in May, closes New York’s “double jeopardy’ legal loophole that protected individuals who are pardoned by a president for federal crimes from being prosecuted at the state level for the same offense. The change goes into effect immediately and applies to future and past offenses, provided a plea has not been entered and a person has not already been tried.”
Bwahahahahaha!!!
is.gd/GeLGIC
Deer Johnny Fraud and his pathological lying bud drumpf, Trump’s latest promises to “bring the troops home” were immediately exposed as empty rhetoric by a Pentagon press release on October 11, announcing that the Trump administration has actually increased its deployments of troops to the greater Middle East by 14,000 since May. There were already 60,000 troops stationed or deployed in the region, which the Congressional Research Service described in September as a long-term “baseline,” so the new deployments appear to have raised the total number of U.S. troops in the region to about 74,000.
Bring them Home? Home must have moved a considerable distance away from original home or drumpfistas will redefine home as where drumpf sends troops so he can lie about them and have his friends spread those lies on social medas.
Let’s move on from the latest Secretary Clinton exoneration. It’s just a whataboutism distraction from the real crimes of Kriminal Kook. Trumpelstilskins would love to talk about anyone but him because they’ve got nothing in response to the growing mountains of evidence of His Traitorship’s traitorous actions.
Benedict Butthead. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Really, it’s so easy to hang Benedict Butthead out for his crimes, but that’s not the entire issue, as Sam Donaldson knows.
“On CNN Monday night, Donaldson told host Don Lemon that there are 30% of Trump supporters in the country and ‘the rest of us’ make up the remaining 70%. Donaldson said ‘hardcore’ Trump backers are ‘ignorant and don’t care about the facts.'”
Real Clear Politics
We know about the ignorant Benedict Butthead devotees, but Donaldson says we must put enough pressure on senators so they will vote yes on impeaching. He says that’s why Bill Clinton wasn’t impeached, lack of public support for it.
Haters gonna hate. Potatoes gonna potate.
https://youtu.be/4IrE6FMpai8
It is time to start considering what the House and Senate votes may look like now that Moscow Mitchell has informed his party that an “impeachment trial is inevitable”.
Have any of you serious pols seen in any patterns start to emerge? For instance yesterday republican congressmen Francis Rooney said he supported and encourage an impeachment inquiry, today he announced that he wasn’t seeking reelection. Just wondering if Trump threatened to primary him.
Another consideration is the senate vote, are there are will there be enough republican swing votes to oust Trump?
No, there won’t be enough Senate votes to remove President Trump from our White House, Roger. I’m glad for that. It’s going to be much better to see him beaten by the largest margin in American voting history. Just making him a one termer with an impeachment on his record will be enough. That is, until the IRS and New York State go up his rectum with a chain saw. (We’re keeping a list of Senators whose Washington legacy will simply be, “Complacent in Trump’s crimes.”
And Porter, those senators on the “Complacent in Trump’s crimes” will have an everlasting stain. They deserve it.
jerry – “I do not root against a trade deal”
Great! Some common ground.
jerry – “which actually happened to us on the Laotian frontier some 50 years ago” That’s an amazing story.
During the Obama Administration, I read that 60,000 kurds were killed. Is this true?
If I understand it correctly, the US military is a fighting force, not a police force. It seems to me that there is nothing we can really do to stop the sectarian violence that has been occurring in that region for the past 200 years.
Our military is designed to fight and win. It is not designed to police, nation build, and shape/define culture.
Is that your take, that it wouldn’t really matter who is President – that Kurds and Turks are going to fight and die?
o – “bringing dirt on a political opponent is a valid inquiry.
First of all I appreciate your respectful approach. I think you, like me, want to be right on the tail of the truth, not just confirming our own biases.
My understanding is that the Ukraine for quite some time has been used to launder illegal activity not by Democrats necessarily, but by a somewhat rogue group of mostly CIA operatives; software, drugs, people, and foreign policy.
For those who are trying to expose this, the Bidens are a precursor to getting into the meat of the issue.
Some things that weigh into my analysis:
1 – That is Russia’s back yard.
2 – Cuba is our back yard
3 – South America is our back yard
4 – Will Russia leave our back yard if we leave theirs?
5 – USSR was a globalist Frankenstein like the EU. The USSR was not broken up by Reagan. It was broken up by the nation states in the area who were okay with not having a US-like union.
As far as the phone call, if I’m correct in my assumption above, the fact that Biden is a political rival is secondary to the fact that he was caught-up in a globalist criminal cartel. That he is a political candidate is being trotted-out to try to defend the Bidens, the gateway to the deep state.
Many in the Ukraine agree that the US intervention there was underhanded, shady, and harmful to the culture, economy, and peace in the region (let’s face it, our CIA does some f-ed up isht).
“rooting out of corruption needs further testing” — I agree. Great comment regarding his political opponents.
My understanding is that the neoliberal and neoconservative establishment (same/same) are part of the COG/Deep State. They are Trump’s most important target at the moment, so they are the top priority. It is not a stretch to think that his biggest enemies that deserve his “attention” are seeking the highest office in the land to defend their entrenched criminal positions.
Lastly, we have been hoodwinked into thinking we actually have two independent parties. We have been bamboozled into thinking that our INTEL services are noble, that they aren’t doing domestic mind control (NLP through TV/Radio/Internet, radio frequency assuaging, and social engineering). We have some real problems that transcend parties, and whenever somebody tries to do something about it, they get attacked on the level that President Trump is getting attacked.
You and I wouldn’t be able to mount such a defense, and would fall by the wayside and get hammered, pinched, financially destroyed, and virtually imprisoned. President Trump is a much bigger fish that I don’t think the deep state even wants on deck.
And I LOVE it.
Since 1984 was when the conflict actually got legs. So no, your numbers are not correct.
“However, the full-scale insurgency did not begin until 15 August 1984, when the PKK announced a Kurdish uprising. Since the conflict began, more than 40,000 have died, a vast majority of whom were Kurdish civilians killed by the Turkish Armed Forces.[89] The European Court of Human Rights has condemned Turkey for thousands of human rights abuses.[90][91] Many judgments are related to systematic executions of Kurdish civilians,[92] torturing,[93] forced displacements,[94] destroyed villages,[95][96][97] arbitrary arrests,[98] Kurdish journalists, activistshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurdish%E2%80%93Turkish_conflict_(1978%E2%80%93present) and politicians who have disappeared or have been murdered.[99][10”
In 1984, Reagan was president and he probably couldn’t remember what a Kurd was or is. My thinking is that he had a jelly bean and thought about curds and whey. Reagan did know where Iran was though, and traded guns for cocaine with the Contra’s during his years. Ollie North had that good looking gal (drrrrrrrrr Fawn Hall) to help cut the deals, ah yes, corruption be thy name. Never fails in a Republican administration.
Debbo – “NY state has closed a legal loophole that Kriminal Kook had promised to his co-conspirators”
Think this will make it to, survive SCOTUS?
Debbo – “His Traitorship’s traitorous actions”
You write in a comic book type of style. It’s very entertaining.
Bibbity bobbity boop, drumpfs hair looks like poop.
Bille-de bobbity bee, drumpf has a little pee pee.
But he’s still your President for now.
Who do you see being a Democratic contender in 2024?
Debbo – “‘hardcore’ Trump backers are ‘ignorant and don’t care about the facts”
This is the kind of generalization/Stereotype that would get one called a racist if the statement were made about Mexican-Americans.
So, I guess Donaldson is a bigoted Trumpist?
Trump supporters come in all sizes, shapes, genders, educational backgrounds, and colors.
Chubby Traitors tend to come in goldfish sizes, shapes, genders, educational backgrounds (the easier led the better) and colors (preferably with the new yellow streak as shown regarding the Kurds).
jerry – “Reagan was president and he probably couldn’t remember what a Kurd was”
On March 30, 1981, Reagan was shot in the chest cavity by Bush’s deep state.
That is the day his America first agenda stopped.
Everything that happened in his presidency after that was George Bush, CIA, and deep state organized IMHO.
Debbo – “‘hardcore’ Trump backers are ‘ignorant and don’t care about the facts”
This is the pervasive attitude of the majority of drumpfinistas and the drumpf kremlin annex itself.
Debbo done nailed it. Johnny fraud failed and bailed.
mike from iowa – “Johnny fraud failed and bailed”
Wow, you can rhyme on a dime and strategically misspell words! Very persuasive! ;)
John,
IF the focus was the larger issue of corruption (with regards to investments in the Ukraine), then why not investigate Giuliani?
https://time.com/5690891/ukraine-petro-poroshenko-rudy-giuliani/
IF the focus was the larger issue of the corruption of children using their father’s powerful government position to profit while he holds office, then why allow his children to do it?
https://www.gq.com/story/trump-kids-profit-presidency
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2019/oct/18/eric-trump/eric-trumps-false-claim-trump-family-got-out-all-i/
If the question were the larger issue of Ukrainian corruption, then why keep Paul Manafort in the inner circle? ( I do acknowledge an attempt to distance AFTER Manafort was caught.)
https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/10/12/ukrainian-word-corruption-trump-prodazhnist-language/
IF Hunter Biden were not the son of former Vice President Joe Biden (nor the son of another Democratic political opponent), would this investigation have been pushed? Was Hunter the only American on that board? Was Hunter the only American on Ukranian gas and oil company boards?
Let me be clear, this is not me saying that what Hunter did was OK because the President does it too; this is trying to honestly test YOUR claim that the Trump administration is focused on the larger issue of corruption.
So much of the Conservative/GOP/Right objection to impeachment seems to revolve around the distraction it causes the House, and how it makes moving forward with important issues far more difficult – if not impossible. I have addressed both being a false narrative before. What I would add to the discussion is how these “defenses” are just not defenses. This is akin to angry at the criminal justice system for prosecuting your” crime because they should be doing “something else far more important.” It is a childish anger from being caught doing wrong dead-to-rights. The House has a duty to check the President on wrong-doing. They are doing that job now (and I would argue had been shirking that responsibility to this point — especially after Muller handed over a road map to impeachment). Anger at the cops for enforcing the laws is misplaced and inappropriate. The focus should now be on the wrong-doing as the root of EVERY negative consequence that arises from that wrong-doing — including any souring or slowing of the political process.
President Trump was wrong to do what he did with the Ukraine. Let us not EVER bury that lead.
Reading Dale’s posts is probably better than a Psych 101 case book.
Notice how he emulates his heroes with whataboutisms, misdirection and more conspiracy theories than we’ve ever heard of before? In addition, he ignores the substance of quotes from credible sources and focuses on specific words, while ignoring direct evidence. We know how Benedict Butthead likes to say, “Many people are saying…” when he’s telling another lie. So here’s Dale, “Many in the Ukraine agree…,” as one of his tells for making stuff up.
Like I said, as real life case study for Psych 101. I’d love to be able to get credit for this, maybe write up a case study.
Debbo – “probably better than a Psych 101 case book”
Probably? You mean, you haven’t read one? :D
Honestly, this is political analysis, opinion about issues, and a place to explore, reconcile, and strengthen ideas.
Oh, the humanity.
Have a super week everyone,
John
This fine CNN article is about checks and balances, power in DC and the courts. It has direct bearing on Fried Face’s criminal activities and the House’s subpoena power. It’s interesting and informative. No paywall.
is.gd/UOzZ7A
The most recent poll, made after Complete Creep’s hate fest in Minneapolis, shows 4 Democrats walking all over him.
“Voters polled picked Biden over Trump by 12 percentage points, 50% to 38%.
“Warren, who attracted a large crowd at an August campaign rally in St. Paul, tops Trump 51% to 40%. U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders, who places third in most national polls of the Democratic field, is ahead of Trump 49% to 40%.
“The survey also asked voters about a hypothetical match-up between Trump and Minnesota’s Klobuchar, who trails in the crowded Democratic field. The third-term senator finished ahead of Trump by the widest margin, 55% to 38%. The poll of 800 registered voters, conducted Oct. 14-16, has a margin of error of 3.5 percentage points.”
Debbo – “fine CNN article”
That’s oxymoronic.
No paywall? Who in their right mind would pay for CNN?
Q: Do you think the founders intended for the courts to legislate?
I’m seeing the picture pretty clearly, now.
Illegal FISA 702 warrants were used as a precursor to surveil MILLIONS OF AMERICANS through Ukraine, which was also a hub of hacking and surveillance on Russia as well.
Ergo, millions of Americans and Russians are angry and it’s blowing-back on Clinton’s State Dept operatives and leaders.
The Clinton Cartel (DWS’s DNC) will do whatever they have to in the courts, in congress, in the upcoming election, and under the covers to avoid getting caught for treason (they didn’t stop the surveillance in time after Trump won).
I hope (not predict) that none of this kangaroo court GARBAGE succeeds, because I like privacy (and so should you), and that those responsible for this isht show are punished in a very public way.
o – “If the focus was the larger issue of corruption (with regards to investments in the Ukraine), then why not investigate Giuliani?”
I’m not lawyer, but Giuliani’s job would seem be to evaluate the efficacy and legality of any such deals. As such, he would need to communicate on Trump’s behalf as his personal lawyer (the President is entitled to due process and diligence).
Like Hunter Biden, did the Trumps take money after the election that wasn’t lined-out before hand? Unlike the Bidens, Trump’s family was doing international business before Trump took office. The timeline seems to obviate your concerns.
No FISA 702 warrant was used (or needed) when the President confessed to inviting/extorting foreign interference (Ukraine) in the US election Process. No FISA 702 warrant was used (or needed) when the President asked China to do the same during an impromptu televised HW lawn press answer session – establishing a pattern of behavior. No FISA 702 warrant was used (or needed) when Chief-of-Staff, Mulvaney, mapped out a clear quid pro quo during a WH briefing and offered up “That’s how we do things — get over it.”
President Trump was wrong to do what he did with the Ukraine.
o – “President Trump was wrong to do what he did with the Ukraine”
We need to get into specifically what Trump was asking for here .. he was asking for evidence of illegal behavior and corruption.
We now have a deposition and ruling against the Bidens coming out of Kiev.
The Mueller investigation was a waste of $40,000,000 to cover up shady dealings in Ukraine.
So goes Ukraine, so goes Biden (President Trump will likely prevail in any event).
If what I’m saying were true, would you be disgusted?
If we want to know what’s really going on, we should both read George Papodopolis’ book, Deep State Target.
So now, resolute drumpf, advocates for keeping 200 US clay pigeons with Kurds to prevent Syria and Russia from accessing Syria’s oil fields.
This afternoon the story is likely to change to where we never had troops in Syria to begin with.
John, “We need to get into specifically what Trump was asking for here .. he was asking for evidence of illegal behavior and corruption.”
No, that is answered by me at “o 2019-10-20 at 11:23” — to which neither you not the Trump administration have responded. This is not about the larger issues of corruption; this is about using a foreign agent to interfere in internal US elections against a political advisory. Your post hoc attempts at reframing do not hold truth.
This is again why I believe Speaker Pelosi and the House are wise to keep the focus on the Ukraine and only Ukraine for impeachment: the wrong doing is clear and the facts are admitted. Even as you (and the administration) flounder to distract, the impeachment criteria are clearly met.
President Trump was wrong to do what he did with the Ukraine.
o – “foreign agent to interfere in internal US elections against a political advisory”
The fact that Biden is a political opponent (not actually true until he wins the DNC nomination FWIW) is tangential.
Biden and his son represent a predicate to prosecute the COG deep state, who might be facing treason charges – a penalty of death, perhaps by firing squad.
But, criminal enterprise is “always” how we’ve done business in the US, isn’t it? That’s what I hear, but I don’t really buy into that malarky.
The investigation into gas company in Ukraine was closed before Hunter Biden got a seat on the board. The fired prosecutor, whom Biden was one of a number of individuals and organizations wanted removed, was removed because he would not look into corruption, not the lies Drumpf and Johnny Fraud continue to push.
There is/was no there there. Funny thing happened in America, DOJ wrapped up a three year investigation into HRC and not a single Dem whined it took to long. Of course they found no wrong doing, as per usual, which is why AG Barr wants another investigation to see why no charges were filed or some damn thing.
mike from iowa – “The investigation into gas company in Ukraine was closed before Hunter Biden got a seat on the board”
Different investigation .. there are new facts emerging, and Ukraine is responding to Trump’s request to investigate.
Gwahahahaa, mfi, that goldfish is slippery, he will merely go deeper in the bottom of the pond for more crap.
Different investigation .. there are new facts emerging, and Ukraine is responding to Trump’s request to investigate.
Only in your fevered imagination, sport. Ukraine is responding to Drumpf’s blackmail, is what you meant to say.
BTW, Biden says Obama said to call him about holding the money back which makes Biden only the messenger and not a criminal suspect. But Obama isn’t running for office and Biden is so malign Biden is the name of the game. Not that he did anything wrong, just to smear him.
Mike, most trumpelstilskins have an inordinately large amount of this: “in your fevered imagination.”
Debbo, it is raining here. It is dumping on the orange malignant liar in the kremlin annex. He and SOS Pompous arse E-O are threatening Turkey with military action which is kewl. Turkey is a member of NATO and the US is obligated to defend Turkey from all aggressors, not just those named enemies.
Fevered imaginations in this bunch must be “swamp fever.” Blackwater Hattie could fix it if they weren’t such… you know.
mike from iowa – “Obama said to call him about holding the money back which makes Biden only the messenger”
It’s a mess. Like I said, Trump’s people are fishing for a predicate .. if they get one, they think that they’ll be able to unravel a huge ball of twine that leads to Obama and Hillary.
I want our country back to a state where we can get along and debate policy, not people and the witch hunts are over.
America is witnessing an orderly and disciplined Presidential impeachment inquiry. Dem’s are in charge because the voters chose us to lead the House. No witch hunts and not a mess. The defendant has chosen to refuse to participate, which like Charles Manson did, is within his rights. However, when the defendant orders his staff to ignore subpoenas that’s blatant obstruction of justice (another high crime or misdemeanor). We’ll get to that later.
~ Expectations lengthened today and the inquiry is expected to go into the Christmas season. We’re planning a series of high-profile public hearings designed to make the best and fairest case for removing President Trump from the American Presidency.
Then stop supporting drumpf and his criminal enterprise family.
This process will play out .. looks like past Christmas.
Schiff deserved censure, IMHO.
It’s being predicted that it will spill into the new year before a vote.
This means that the Democrats an their “orderly” process will have produced a never-ending strategy of inquiry in full view of The American people.
I am watching the next election very closely, and collecting comments like yours for my radio show. Either you will be vindicated and validated, or you’ll feel a little silly.
Either way, I’ll report it.
FYI – I read out some “hate mail” on my radio show today.
Porter was featured.
:D
Porter Lansing – “high-profile public hearings”
This is the end, not the means. To stall and distract and hope to take back the office next year.
This inquiry is, for my dollar, a complete sham.
It’s shadow boxing.
Trump’s campaign hasn’t even really started, yet ..
.. but it will.
mike from iowa – “stop supporting drumpf and his criminal enterprise family”
This assumes the premise.
The only way to stop the beast is to kill the beast.
Its hunger will not subside.
100% commitment at this point.
There will be many pages in history books written about what is happening right now and what will happen in the next 13 months.
#trumptrain
Mike, drizzly gray here most of the day, but still flood level deluge on Pootie’s Puppet. Mulvaney has been entertaining as he’s tried to pretend he didn’t say what he said. The level of incompetence in Bumbling Buffoon’s deministration makes Keystone Kops look like a perfectly orchestrated drill team.
I’m just going to put this in a few places so it is seen.
We have discussions about the pathetic excuses for Christianity that the GOP espouses, how antithetical it is to real Christianity. Someone will complain that the real Christians need to speak up, if they even exist. I say, “Look to the Mainline Christians, the Lutherans, United Church of Christ, Episcopalians, etc. So take a look at this link.
This is the kind of thing the Mainlines do every damn day. They’re not giving guns to their parishioners, not preaching hatred of LBTG or immigrants. They don’t glorify greed. The pastors participate in marches, get arrested and pay their own fines, as do the members.
These people are the real deal: is.gd/qG3jAW
DEEP STATE NEWS:
Presidents come and go. Deep State is the consistency and watchdog of America
~ Most states aren’t handing over driver’s license data to Census Bureau, as Trump wants
An effort by the Census Bureau to collect state driver’s license records as part of President Trump’s order to gather citizenship information has been a bust so far.
~ Trump’s company wipes his name from its NYC skating rinks
At Central Park’s two rinks, those returning to the ice may notice a lot less of something that was conspicuous in the past: President Trump’s name.
~ Trump move could spark another exodus of US jobs.
President has lashed out at Bureau of Labor Statistics’ work.
~ Trump’s top military adviser: Fox News
President Trump presides over perhaps the world’s most-sophisticated system for intelligence-gathering and analysis — the Pentagon, State Department, CIA, NSA, etc. — yet prefers not to take those experts’ advice.
~ Energized by issues like climate change and the Trump presidency, college students have suddenly emerged as a potentially crucial voting bloc in the 2020 election.
Porter Lansing – “Deep State is the consistency and watchdog of America”
The architecture of the deep state is of a totalitarian regime. The deep state is pure bureaucratic fascism sold as “continuity plan”.
It’s only supposed to be used if there is a nuke strike (or something equally as undesirable).
We are a representative democracy, not a fascist totalitarian regime, which is why the deep state will kill or be killed.
This Deep State thing is the figment of someone’s active imagination.
I couldn’t agree with my good friend Mr. C more. There is no hidden government buried deep within our elected state. The tin-foil-hatters are just insaner than all get out some times, and concoct the most entertaining stories.
I should add that grudznick is not paid by nor in a managerial position in the Deep State. If I was you would see me sport more fancy polo shirts and hats with their logo.
FYI … Deep State members are the career employees of our federal government. They worked for Bush. They worked for Obama and now they work for Trump. Their allegiance is to Democracy, only. The watchdog who busted Trumpie is an example. They keep their heads down, mouth shut, and eyes open until something needs to be done.
So you’re saying that grudznick can’t just “join up” with the Deep State? That’s somewhat disappointing, as I could be a valuable member of their team and it sounds like kind of a neato team to be on.
Sorry, Goober… and Mr. D-Ale. You call them traitors to Trump but guess what? There’s no law in Washington that says you have to like your boss.
I think it’s really neato that there might be this vigilante Deep State group, organized loosely and communicating through garbage drops and those war game chat rooms, really running our country. I wish I had known about this when I was younger, like Mr. Dale’s age. They’d have signed me up in a hearbeat.
Doofus Dictator has his own “Deep State” Wannabe, as the witnesses have repeatedly described. They’re part of Doofus Dictator’s Shadow Government led by Jue-Lee-ahh-kne. The problem is, this bunch bears a very close resemblance to the Keystone Kops. Rick “Smart Glasses” Perry and Mike “Unchristian Leader” Pompeo make up the Three Dingoes.
I wonder if this Mr. Pompeo does unchristian-like name calling. He was born in California, an out-of-state place with raging hatred and liberal tendencies. I bet he does, worser than your average Minnesotian or Utahite.
FYI – There are 3 committees involved in the impeachment inquiry. The committee members include 55 Democrats and 48 GOP. The GOP are allowed to fully participate. Yesterday’s Matt Gaetz, R-FL, stunt was just that, a stunt having no basis in reality. The GOP is a full participant in the hearings, just as the rules require.
Now it looks like the Senate is, in the words of John Dale, wasting time not doing Infrastructure, USMCA and other work, to intrude in the business of the House. The Senate doesn’t get involved in impeachment until the House sends the Articles of Impeachment to the Senate.
What happened to the GOP that was SO obsessed with process and hearings when it came to Sec. Clinton?
https://www.vox.com/2019/10/24/20930509/lindsey-graham-resolution-condemn-house-impeachment-inquiry
Debbo, on that note, I just read a piece saying that many of the GOP committee members are not going to their committees because there is really nothing for them to do or defend. Making the process break down is the ONLY impeachment defense of the GOP/Trump faithful at this point.
Grudz … Deep State isn’t anything sinister; except to paranoids like John Dale whose simple mind can’t tolerate reality, so he snuggles up to conspiracy theorists and tries to scare persuadables.
– Here’s an example of Deep State at work. Trump ordered the destruction and deletion of all research into the climate crisis. His motive is obvious. But, the documents and research didn’t get destroyed. They got saved and stashed by long time Washington career employees in the energy department.
You’ll see Deep State News that’s leaked out from these career workers that you won’t see anywhere else. They don’t have meetings and they don’t organize. Deep State is simply government people who won’t let this Bozo President ruin what’s come before him, just to massage his overinflated ego.
During Clinton’s ill advised impeachment, Miss Lindsey had noooooooooo problems with deposing witnesses in secret. What a tool.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/25/judge-orders-release-of-mueller-material-citing-impeachment-chance.html
Federal judge says DOJ must hand over to Dems grand jury testimony from Mueller hearings because of potential impeachable acts by Drumpf.
Two elements are becoming more clear about how smart it is that Pelosi et al are focusing ONLY on the Ukranian impeachable offenses: 1) it is post election; much of the Muller probe (and other Trump bad acts) was into elements dating back pre-election – elements that the electorate knew but chose to ignore and vote Trump’s anyway. 2) Ukraine, and the cover-up, also includes Vice President Pence; this goes to the bad acts of not only President Trump, but also his entire administration. Ukraine cuts deeper than the Muller charges.
o – “Two elements are becoming more clear about how smart it is that Pelosi et al are focusing ONLY on the Ukranian impeachable offenses”
It’s simple – Ukraine is where Trump’s prosecutors are pressing to bring down the deep state.
The deep state is reinforcing that point and attempting a rear guard action with this impeachment.
Making predictions is silly, but it is clear to me that Trump is right to do this; get us our of foreign entanglements, reign in the deep state and CIA and the blowback from their operations, get a handle on Central/South America, and rebuild anything that needs it at home.
In the meantime, encourage Hong Kong, Japan, South, and North Korea to reign-in China’s imperialist ambitions lest they actually have to tangle with the US military directly beyond using their spooky mafia to harass US citizens.
That’s paranoia talking, Dale. Yes, there is a deep state but it’s hardly the nefarious entity you and conspiracy theorists imagine.
~ Deep State is the conglomeration of career Washington gov’t employees. They worked for Bushes, they worked for Obama, and now they work in the Trump administration.
~ The Deep State members owe allegiance only to American democracy and refuse to see it damaged by any President.
~ An example of Deep State work is when Trump ordered all research and data about climate change destroyed. Only, it didn’t get destroyed. Copies were made and stashed by workers in the Dept. of Energy and other departments.
~ Another example is the information put out anonymously by these gov’t workers that only they have access to.
~ Dale and conspiracy believers call these workers disloyal and traitors. Actually, they don’t care who or what calls them names. Deep State won’t let Trump destroy all the work and research that came before him just to massage his massive ego … and the hate he has for minorities, especially President Obama.
The deep state will be as bad or as good as the people who manage to take it over .. that’s the problem with an unelected and unaccountable bureaucracy.
But let’s review ..
1 – there is no deep state, you are a conspiracy theorist
2 – alex jones is controlling you like jim jones
3 – cog is not a real thing, neither is operation paperclip, operation mockingbird, and corruption in the MSM
4 – okay, so there was a cog, but it doesn’t exist
5 – okay, so there is MSM corruption and it seems tied to some shady actors in the INTEL community
6 – okay, so the FISA 702 was abused by Clinton and McCabe and Comey to push talking points to the media, but the deep state are just case workers and special needs students instructors.
7 – okay, so the deep state exists, it has corrupted many aspects of our government and controls the MSM right now and controls billions of dollars in cash flow through the government case worker complex, but it’s just not that big of a deal.
*rolls eyes*
Welcome to the world of the waking, sleeping beauty. We’ve bene enduring the ridicule for decades, so forgive our lack of apathy for your continued hedging.
D-Ale … Even though I addressed my explanation to you, I’m really talking to people on the blog with a rational mind, level head, and are open to facts and new information.
I see no benefit trying to flip you. Your one vote is locked in and not persuadable.
Good week to ‘ya
Mr. Lansing
The assertion that Trump is taking any of these four actions seems misleading or full out false:
– Trump appears to be simply moving the foreign entanglement from one foreign country to another or from one foreign location to another; the claim that he is bringing troops home seems to have been debunked by credible reports.
[italics in original].
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/trump-boasts-hes-bringing-troops-home-syria-except-hes-not
– The so-called “deep state” is simply a derogatory term for people serving in various American legal institutions charged with assuring compliance with our laws. Thus, this assertion really means that Trump is attacking public servants in an effort to avoid accountability for a wide variety of illegal behavior, from violating campaign finance law and our Constitution’s emolument clause to illegally extorting a foreign nation to obtain personal assistance in a domestic elections.
https://www.govexec.com/feature/gov-exec-deconstructing-deep-state/
– this seems to mean disparaging refugees and immigrants with lies and dehumanizing labels, seperating kids from family and locking them in cages made of 6″ high chain links fences sleeping on a floor, seeking to deport kids who are lifelong residents of the US called “Dreamers,” among other actions.
– As far I can tell, and I could be wrong, the only physical rebuilding at home Trump has attempted is to move money allocated to the military and veterans, contrary to Congressional intent, and lie to the public with a claim that he has started building the so-call wall he promised Mexico would pay for, while actually funding repair of existing border fences.
(This is from Wikipedia entry titled “Trump Wall.” The link has been omitted to avoid a third link in a comment which apparently causes a comment to automatically go into moderation.)
It certainly doesn’t take much effort these days to unwind the false spins promulgated by the Trump propaganda team. Unfortunately, however, not everyone is willing to engage in this effort, as perhaps it is more self-satisfying to spread the easily debunked false claims rather than admit making a mistake in initially believing Trump’s lies and supporting him.
Porter Lansing – ‘flipping’
I’ve resorted to getting my political fill by countering disinfo online (everybody’s got their perspectives, some better than others).
Some of online publications have no soul, no sense of fair play or loyalty to the facts, especially in the comments. I can work there, so I work there. Over time what I’ve seen is people adopting my own arguments on the side hustle, and they’re enjoying the benefits of having pre-packaged, well thought-out positions on some issues (I’m not perfect, obviously, but I do have pretty deep logical support for my beliefs).
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deep state refers to continuity of government, and a field of bureaucrats that are getting paid billions of dollars to be employed by the government.
For what it’s worth, I’m not surprised that the deep state is coming to terms with itself and admitting it has a problem .. kind of like a 600 lb woman who has not looked at herself .. I mean REALLY looked at herself – in the mirror in years.
Yes, the deep state is a very overweight woman eating 5 loafs of bread every day, 3 liters of sprite, 9 hamburgers, 2 gallons of ice cream, and needs a team of nurses to help her go to the bathroom. The deep state is an uncomfortable problem that cannot be ignored forever or death will result, and the cleanup will be monumental.
I always appreciate your reasoned and reasonable corrections BCB.
I think us regular commenters are well aware that Dale’s goofy comments come from the conspiracy theorists and liars who populate the corners of the web, and the opportunists who’ll try to make money from anything, regardless of the harm their dishonesty does. Unfortunately they find willing dupes in the under informed, the attention seekers, those inclined to the negative, some who suffer from similar mental afflictions as Crazy Crook, etc.
Thanks for correcting the record, BCB and the others who set it straight after trumpelstilskins try to twist it out of all reality.
D-Ale – RE: Deep State –
Q ~ What do you do when you discover your boss is stealing from the company?
A ~ An honest employee goes to the owner and makes it stop.
President Trump is stealing from America. Deep State career employees are going America’s owner with the information. “We The People” are America’s owner.
PS … a crooked employee starts stealing, too. Their boss won’t notice or care.
One political party currently is acting like a “crooked employee”.
I’m glad to hear it Debbo & right back atcha!
You two are big sillies. Go forth. Find your serendipities!
Whatever you do, do NOT read this. This information is HOT .. like Charlie’s Angels (the reboot):
https://today.law.harvard.edu/danger-internet-echo-chamber/
BCB is BS detector and repellent all rolled into one mythical being from the sacred Black Hills. His
rebuttals are meant to educate the beasties without punishing them as they so richly deserve. Personally, I’d prefer they get a Botany Bay Dozen with a Cat.
Drumpf wants troops to protect America’s oil in Syria and hopes he can get Exxon to go in and pump it . The spoils of war do not belong to the quitters.
Interesting story about the investigations of Biden done by Ukrainian Oligarchs. According to article, Biden pushed reforms that cost oligarchs up to 400 million per year.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/ukrainian-oligarch-dmytro-firtash-seethed-about-overlord-joe-biden-for-years?ref=home
DEEP STATE NEWS:
Presidents come and go. Deep State is the consistency and watchdog of America
~ More than $13.6 million has been spent trying to change public opinion on impeachment since the inquiry was announced. – Advertising Analytics
MORE DEEP STATE NEWS:
Governors come and go, but it turns out Mr. Lansing was right about this Deep State business at a local level. Mr. C, you and grudznick underestimated the depth of the Deep State in South Dakota. The watchdogs and puppet masters in Pierre are Gearing Up for another one.
The last time the deep state overstepped its bounds, a bunch of tea ended up in Boston Harbor.
Deep State Breaking … A senior White House official plans to tell House impeachment investigators on Tuesday that he believed President Donald Trump undermined U.S. national security when he urged Ukraine’s president to investigate his political rivals, according to a copy of his opening statement.
grudznick is becoming quite the fan of this Deep State thing.
I have a membership card for you right here, grudz. The donation is $75. I’m in the book. Just mail a Postal money order and you’re in like Flynn. :)
“..he believed President Donald Trump undermined U.S. national security .. ”
In other news, he said that she said that they said.
It’s over.
Q can’t wear someone else’s hair .. he’s bald and we have to look at it.
Porter Lansing – you don’t pay the deep state, the deep state pays you.
So it came out that McCabe was banging Page, too .. a venerable three-way Thelma and Louise of corruption, “if we’re going down, we’re going to jump off the sexual Grand Canyon in our car of fabricated evidence!!”
Morons.
Flynn is a good guy. That’s why they couldn’t have him .. although, I hear he’s lying in wait to make a comeback.
Johnny Fraud, full of isht, you are full of more effluent than an overflowing hog confinement pit.
Your threesome affair was first reported by OANN and shortly thereafter retracted because it wasn’t true.
Flynn and his namesake brat both pushed the HRC/Pizza Parlor child sex ring that was totally fabricated and yet one of your fringe cabal nuts went there and shot up the place to protect imaginary children.
Another quid pro quo in the making?
Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) has been frequently mocked for transforming himself from a staunch Trump critic into one of his most devoted defenders — and a new report from ethics watchdog Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington will only add more fuel to that fire.
According to new data compiled by CREW, Graham has made a total of 17 visits to Trump properties over the past two-plus years, which the organization notes “are 50% more than anyone else in Congress.”
mike from iowa – are you an AI?
You seem to be reflecting a lot of the nuance of my writing back at me, “isht” for instance.
So, you’re saying it was just page and PS that were inappropriately f-ing and exciting their libidos around the dangers of treason? If they had started a family together and gotten married, they could have gone public with their relationship while remaining private about their petty hatred of President Trump (it’s very sad how pervasive TDS has become .. I think the disease must be vectoring on the money).
Reflecting? No. Just tossing that word back in your face. I used altogether different word next chance I got.
Drumpf pretty much hates all Dems passionately and makes no bones about that. As for having affairs, Drumpf has been accused dozens of times and claims all women are liars. And he has paid at least two women hush money to cover up his cheating orange arse. What makes you sure Page and anyone had an affair? Don’t bother. you heard it from Flynn along with HRC’s kiddie porn business run out of a non-existent basement.
Are you conflating Trump’s encounters with what these two dement-orks were doing, “[let’s bounce our bellies and rub our pee pees together while we think about getting caught doing our treasonous insurance policy .. it’s you and me, Bonne .. er .. Lisa baby]”?
Reporter that published hit job about Hill with nude pic is telling people to endorse wingnut candidates for that seat.
https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/28/reporter-katie-hill-scandal-gop-060576
Deep State News – 29/10/2019
~ President Trump trails every major Democratic Presidential candidate nationally and in swing states — and his favorable ratings remain well under 50%.
~ Republicans feel anxious and adrift defending Trump. A growing number of Republicans are privately warning of increasing fears of a total wipeout in 2020: House, Senate, and White House.
~ The Republican Senate majority, once considered relatively safe, suddenly looks in serious jeopardy. Democrats are raising more money, and polling better, than Republican incumbents in battleground after battleground.
~ PS … the dog’s name is Conan
Inasmuch as polls can be employed as psychological operations, the question is where the polls start.
If he can get through this sham impeachment, President Trump will undoubtedly have a bump.
Aren’t you the least bit concerned that Trump’s strategy hasn’t started, yet, and it will be a nightmare for the DNC without impeachment?
Impeachment remains the only viable option for the DNC to pick up support.
But the support in the polls could also be manufactured, and is being applied slowly, like a breaker bar to a rusted nut. You can’t apply all the torque at once, but even if you do it gradually, it is likely that the socket will shear.
Polls, schmolls. It’s most telling that rather than pursuing the election, the DNC is pursuing impeachment. They can’t beat Trump on the ice, so they’re trying to take a crowbar to his knees.
It pretty pathetic, really.
It’s just gravity, now. Letting Trump Destroy Trump
Mr. Lansing, do you have any news from the South Dakota Deep State in your newsletter?
There’s no Deep State in South Dakota. I like your playlist on Instagram. 👍🏻
Disappointing about the Deep State. Perhaps my friends will start one.
You should check out my astounding feng shui pictures on MySpace.
Deep State News …
TRUMP COVER-UP EXPOSED, TODAY
~ Colonel Vindman testified the White House transcript of the call had left out President Zelensky saying the word “Burisma” — the name of the Ukrainian energy company that Hunter Biden had worked for, and a focus of the investigation Mr. Trump wanted — as well as Mr. Trump saying there were recordings of Mr. Biden.
When Colonel Vindman offered corrections to the transcript, which was reconstructed from voice-recognition software and notes, those two suggestions were rejected. He testified that he did not know why some changes were made and others were not. – NYTimes Impeachment Briefing
The coordination of misinformation through every outlet is impressive. I’m going to enjoy watching to see how asymptotic the results.
I mean .. isn’t the gig up? Does the effectiveness of this have a limit? Seems everybody is a spook these days ..
Does anyone else have the desire to live in a transparent, above board civic context?
Psst .. hey buddy .. you want some deep state? *opens trench coat exposing Bill Clinton underwear*
Asymptotic? Look’s to the majority of Americans that Trump is showing the symptoms of “An Impeached Man Walking.”
October 29, 2019 US House of Representatives. This is a beautiful thing my friends and about time. Here is the first part so you can follow the link for the remainder.
Directing certain committees to continue their ongoing investigations as part of the existing House of Representatives
inquiry into whether sufficient grounds exist for the
House of Representatives to exercise its Constitutional
power to impeach Donald John Trump, President of
the United States of America, and for other purposes.
1 Resolved, That the Permanent Select Committee on
2 Intelligence and the Committees on Financial Services,
3 Foreign Affairs, the Judiciary, Oversight and Reform, and
4 Ways and Means, are directed to continue their ongoing
Directing certain committees to continue their ongoing inves-
tigations as part of the existing House of Representatives
inquiry into whether sufficient grounds exist for the
House of Representatives to exercise its Constitutional
power to impeach Donald John Trump, President of
the United States of America, and for other purposes.
1 Resolved, That the Permanent Select Committee on
2 Intelligence and the Committees on Financial Services,
3 Foreign Affairs, the Judiciary, Oversight and Reform, and
4 Ways and Means, are directed to continue their ongoing
2
1 investigations as part of the existing House of Representa-
2 tives inquiry into whether sufficient grounds exist for the
3 House of Representatives to exercise its Constitutional
4 power to impeach Donald John Trump, President of the
5 United States of America.”
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Lz3nxY4os1qBan4d82S3LJXosFgQzWQD/view
Mr. Dale, do you think the SDDS is promoting and making happen this brain-frying 5G business, with the ugly towers and flower planters and stuff? I submit to you, sir, that if the 5G has traction then it is because of the Deep State within our own government.
This is why fellows like you, and Mr. Oakes, who are Libertarians but not insaner than most and can articulate, should stop beating the drum for the demon weed and focus on getting into office so you can uproot the Deep State here, in South Dakota. Stop debating Mr. Lansing’s full-belly, wine-nosed, weed-induced drama about this Deep State in DC that nobody cares about, and get yourselfs in the spots to root the Deep State here in our own Black Hills!!
Got your goat, name caller. #laughing 😂
grudznick – “if the 5G has traction then it is because of the Deep State within our own government”
This is correct to some degree. Cisco stockholders, unfortunately, trusted Cisco’s business plan model to replace backbone equipment. They want to externalize the costs of the profits to the health and well being of our community.
I’m not a full fledged Libertarian (I believe humans have at least some approximation of Free Will), but I do believe the prohibition of Cannabis causes more harm than arguably any other single law on the books prior to the 5G rollout, which will be like forcing everyone to smoke.
Dispatching the ramblings of mike from iowa, Debbo, jerry, and Porter Lansing takes surprisingly little time.
I’ve done my homework on 5G already. My primary focus there is city council. I spend around2-4 hours there per month, and take full advantage of my 2 minute call to the audience.
I spend the bulk of my time working on the alternative solutions to 5G and prohibition and trying to find a good bag of weed in SD (I have been unsuccessful in the latter).
Lastly, regarding Cannabis Consumers for Liberty, we surpassed our organizations expectations for this session. We’ve already completed planning for our next thrust. We had HUNDREDS of people respond to our campaign this time, a precursor to what I expect will be an exponential increase in interest next time around. It doesn’t matter to CC4L what happens with NASD and the Medical initiative or hemp. Their activities are WIN WIN WIN for CC4L’s plan, which very very very few people actually know about or understand.
Have a super day!
jerry – what is happening in DC is far from beautiful. This is not a football game where your team wins or loses. Sometimes, as is the case with the DNC right now, it is appropriate to root for your side to lose. What the DNC is doing right now is self destructive to the country and, if successful, will cause great pain for all of us.
Porter Lansing – “asymptotic”
First – Trump’s support is stall wart. He really could shoot somebody in the face and get away with it. Of course, he might do it by proxy through a firing squad.
Second – polls? Tell me all about how, when the polls favor you, they are all kinds of accurate. :)
My position: I’m going to wait and see while upholding two things that I have learned in my life. 1) I have a desire to be good and 2) I want a system of government guided by people like me (imperfect, strong, insightful, principled, creative).
Norm Pattis provides some great context for the phenomenon of government.
“I want to stand next to the people who a self righteous mob are attacking.” — NP
https://www.infowars.com/can-the-1st-amendment-be-saved-a-conversation-with-norm-pattis/
D-Ale says > “I spend the bulk of my time trying to find a good bag of weed in SD.”
You do know that you just admitted to committing a crime … possibly a felonious crime? Pat Powers reads this blog and he’s been a narc since college, where he made friends with other students then turned them in to campus cops. Tough way to get your FBI agent dad to like you. Who’s got your back?
You’re not in Tucson anymore, Toto!
Porter Lansing – “you’re not in Tucson anymore, Toto”
Looking for a bag of weed is illegal? What kind of weed? In or our of state (yes, yes, I know you and your Colorado red flag gestapo will make me pay a steep price if I have the audacity to seek weed in Colorado while being a conservative Trump supporter). If you’ll note in my post, you’ll see that (tongue in cheek), I state that I was unsuccessful in finding a good bag of weed in South Dakota. Furthermore, if South Dakota Police are wasting our tax dollars following up on “leads” like this while meth is rampant, we have bigger problems than my blogosphere satire.
This isn’t 1989 anymore, Dorothy, and I think you’re living in a fantasy world if you think I post to blogs to recruit people to have my back. That kind of adversarial thinking is what got us into this mess.
Regarding Pat Powers and his dad .. it’s just not that spooky. You want to know what’s spooky? The derangement that has overtaken our country regarding reefer, political dispositions, free speech, etc.
FWIW, I still haven’t found a good bag of weed in South Dakota. Rest assured, I will keep looking, but I won’t tell anyone when I find it lest Pat Powers and his father tell on me, bringing the full weight of SD DCI down on such rigid and rampant criminality.
John … Surely you know or if you don’t, let me inform you. – Jupiter Base Lansing – “alt-right mind frying 5G conspiracies”. This was written by grudznick, trying to be funny in his “never grew out of his O’Gorman Catholic school boyhood” persona. Read what he wrote above this line. I’ve read tens of thousands of posts on both political blogs for eleven years and only one person uses the word “buffoonery”. Grudz uses it all the time. He praises you in Cory’s blog and pisses on you in Powers’ blog. I don’t use his real name anymore because it irritates Cory.
PS – Admitting you’re looking to commit a crime is criminal solicitation and conspiracy with a drug dealer. Dealing drugs is a felony. Absolutely, SD police follow up on things like this. Get that sh*t out of your house. Your statement is enough to get a search warrant from any judge. Your kids don’t need to see that.
“Admitting you’re looking to commit a crime is criminal solicitation and conspiracy with a drug dealer”
And yet, satirizing it is not a crime.
There are few restraints on what police can do with respect to this issue.
I’m going to go out on a limb, here, and say that what you’re describing above, while somewhat cogent is not policing drug dealing (setting aside the issue of whether or not cannabis should be thought of as a drug). Rather, it is policing speech.
“I’m looking for a good bag of weed in SD” is clearly not intent to solicit cannabis since it is a statement of the impossible.
The issue is further clouded when you consider that “weed” could also refer to CBD.
I would love to have cannabis in my house every day legally. That is my goal.
I respect and acknowledge others who feel the same way.
It is not a crime to believe this ..
when they grow, that I would rather have my children using cannabis than alcohol is another uncomfortable truth for the victims of reefer madness, who also likely have investments in alcohol.
I have made no specific credible requests for non-CBD cannabis, nor have I stated that I have it in my house.
I can also tell you with complete certainty that if the police decide to pursue a warrant and break down my front door, my kids will not turn on ME ..
At the moment, they view the police, fire, and EMS in general as heroes.
Sadly, given what they know about me personally, about cannabis in general (they helped author the CC4L initiative), that would change if an overzealous prosecutor decided to waste taxpayer resources on this situation.
It would be a disastrous waste of time and resources, but might quicken the pace of legalization .. maybe you should be arguing the false flag position.
PS – Thanks for the clarification regarding Jupiter Base Lansing .. I figured you got banned at DWC and had to modify your handle. Anonymity on The Internet is a two edged sword, which is why I choose to avoid it when I’m contributing content.
John, in SD a warrant to search your house is also a warrant to search your car and a warrant to search your urine. It also includes taking you in and making you post bail.
I AM banned from Power’s blog but I can post there anytime I want and anytime I need to. His security is as outdated as SD’s pot laws. I don’t need to say anything to his readers on a regular basis. They all read Cory’s blog.
Porter Lansing – “a warrant to search your house is also a warrant to search your car and a warrant to search your urine”
This is not an issue .. although, I would again refer you to the fact that the justification for such an action would question the precursor and motives.
What is the up-side for the state?
To make an example out of a hard working family man who also happens to advocate for the plant material upon which our Constitution was drafted?
If I might reiterate, in order to be arrested for metabolites, the test must be positive and repeated.
For what it’s worth, I have been tested recently already, and I have another test scheduled for next week.
Why are you going here, exactly?
I would figure you for the type to agree with my assessment that it is impossible to find a good bag of weed in SD (common knowledge).
It would seem as though you’re claiming that SD law enforcement has no issues with thought and speech control.
In my experience, law enforcement want badly to uphold these core values of freedom of speech and thought.
I’m going to give them the chance, and encourage them to stop trolling blogs for busts.
You seem knowledgeable. If a warrant was issued, my possessions searched, my blood taken and tested .. when nothing is found, what is my recourse?
If, through some sort of testing error, a positive result was returned .. would the Misdemeanor possession charge be worth all that effort?
Very interesting topic that digs at the heart of a couple of important issues.
1 – The police or their technocratic adjuncts already know who is smoking pot and who is not.
2 – Who can be trusted with this kind of knowledge?
Newest testimony has more interesting tidbits from Catherine Cross. She says in her opening statement former sleazeball wingnut congressweasel from Looseranna, Bob Livingston, now a high paid lobbyist kept telling her the Ambassador had to be fired, the former president of Ukraine was an Obama holdover and George Soros was financially involved.
Livingston, if you recall, was the SOH select when Gingrich was forced out of congress. Livingston had no qualms calling WJC bad names for cheating, until it was revealed Hustler Magazine had lined up a number of women Livingston serviced on the side and didn’t tell his wife. Livingston begged Hustler not to expose him and he would slime his way back home and then got a high paying lobbyist job.
-SD cops (not pigs) bust stoners just for something to do, the way rednecks beat up gays just for something to do.
-No recourse. Ingestion is against the law and can be a felony. SD is the only state with an ingestion law and it’s because the leader of the SDGOP owns bail bond companies in college towns. Dan Lederman’s probably a silent partner in the bondsman in Spearfish. And, Pat Powers works for him selling surety bonds to kids caught with a gram or two. No way will Lederman allow his Republican Party to soften this law. He doesn’t care if SD is ridiculed across America. He loves his houses, boats, and toys.
-The cops already know who’s smoking pot because in SD everybody’s a snitch or should be viewed that way.
-A misdemeanor positive urine is worth it to bail bondsmen, lawyers, cops, and jailers. Follow the money.
-I could tell you whether or not I know if there’s good smoke for sale in SD … but that would be against the law. Interstate conspiracy to commit a crime. I have no idea.
– In conclusion, good luck John. Hope you get the job.
“cops already know who’s smoking pot because in SD everybody’s a snitch” — mass surveillance obviated the snitches.
“good luck .. job” — not for a job. I already have too many of those.
“Ingestion is against the law and can be a felony” — the statute that I read classified it as possession. If you’re driving when you get arrested and tested, that is likely another matter.
“positive urine” — unless I’m mistaken about the science of metabolites, this would not happen without a false positive test.
The state of SD is not doing so hot in high profile cases of late. Has SD’s ingestion testing policy been tested in the courts?
Mike, the GOP hasn’t cornered the market on sleaze and hypocrisy, but they’re sure trying hard. It may be the one area where they’re successful.
Thanks for the info on the testimony.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/heres-how-dumb-bill-barrs-great-mifsud-conspiracy-story-really-is?ref=home
Barr is off on another of the endless wingnut witch hunts with minimal real evidence and enormous amounts of innuendos and bad guesses for facts.
Even Comey named Mifsud a Russian agent.
The deep state has thought long and hard about how they’re going to cover-up their crimes and misgivings.
No matter what happens, life in The US will never be the same.
It’s a isht show, and I for one am looking forward to the day it all ends and somebody’s the winner (I can thrive in either system, but I’ll be damned if I play by one set of rules different from everyone else).
I wonder why that other grudznick uses “Jupiter Base Lansing” instead of the previously spotted “Moon Base Lansing.” It seems like total buffoonery. grudznick’s guess is that Jupiter is a giant body of gas, while the moon is a small hard rock. Buffoonery, I say, that fellow’s brain must have been fried by 5G.
Deep State= Deep Sheet. Spaced out on 5g no doubt.
Grudzie, you half educated hay-billy! There’s no 5G (If there was, I’d have it.)but there are Washington career employees who act individually and are called Deep State by paranoid, conspiracy theorists.
Be sure to see Moon Base Lansing’s cameo in 2019’s best flick “THE BEACH BUM” . He was mah-va-lous! ⛱🏝🏖
Porter Lansing – “There’s no 5G”
It’s been in the theater for decades, weaponized and for communications data transfer.
https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/national-security/article236413328.html
5G was mentioned how many times in that McClatchy article? ZERO!!! There’s no public 5G, but it’s close. And, it’s not a bit scary … even on Halloween. Now, it’s game seven and that’s important! Are you afraid of television, too. lol
Porter, Dale often provides such obviously biased or fictional links I usually ignore them, but McClatchy doesn’t typically fall into that category so I checked the link he offered to support his 5G argument.
The McClatchy story literally has nothing to do with 5G. Rather it discussed increased cancer rates in military, with speculation that one possible source was from the firefighting foam the military uses. A search for “5G” turns up nada. Is this must be a new Dale tactic – post unrelated material and hope no one looks?
Porter, sorry, you beat me to the punch!
BCB – Jason, Miranda and OlSarge used to do that, too.
I put forward the article as an indication of the symptom.
I’m saying that the proximate causes of their issues, as yet undermined completely, will be pervasive use of wireless technologies in war theaters.
To clarify further, I was not citing the article as evidence the damage of 5G and other wireless technologies.
The article raises an alarming trend – 91% increase in some forms of cancer from war theater veterans.
Amidst the tapestry of causation will be wireless transmitters, present in the operation of drones, communications systems, vehicles, recreation devices, and just about everything the DOD deploys in the war theater.
Time will prove me right on this issue ladies and gentlemen.
You’ll notice I’m not making any predictions on what our government (at all levels) will actually do about it.
Just look how long it took our society to come around with respect to cigarettes and cancer.
The difference here, though, is that everybody smokes 5G .. you don’t have a choice.
This is an urgent matter, and if you’re flag waving for 5G you may as well be shoving lit cigarettes into the mouths of little kids (people of all ages, actually, and their pets).
To further clarify – I’m citing myself as a source, as a highly education technology professional.
I’m filling in the missing piece of the puzzle (not that hard, really, given the plethora of evidence in my file).
Excuse us, sir but that’s bullsheit!!
NPR tells us that Liar-in-Chief is circling the drain in ever shrinking circles. A chief NSC guy is quitting and has all the inside dope. Tim Morrison is the Russia Director in the NSC, appointed by Bolton. He’s as hawkish as Bolton, but Morrison is a patriot in that he puts the country before himself, unlike Godless Grifter. Morrison feels that it is his duty to report GG’s criminal acts.
is.gd/33RTDo No paywall.
Mr. Dale, if I ever get to Spearfish City I would enjoy a frosty beverage with you at the Crow Peak, to talk about this 5G brain wave business, but my grand daughter informs me that you are being cyber bullied and thought you should know.
This is funny!
“To further clarify – I’m citing myself as a source, as a highly education technology professional.”
Gentlemen, let’s all do like Dale and cite ourselves as our sources since we are certainly as “highly education” as he is. 🤣🤣🤣
(I can’t make this stuff up!) 🤣🤣🤣
This is just incredible, this is a blog about Trump’s post impeachment that may well be voted on tomorrow and people are talking about an illusion called 5G.
Our country is on the verge of important changes and the impeachment of a president while grudz and John Dale play silly games. Obviously they can’t face the reality and the threat of a republican president being removed from office.
Just incredible, Roger.
Debbo – if you are an expert in something, you can cite yourself, too. Go on .. cite yourself. In something. :D
“an illusion called 5G” — this is most definitely not the most genuine sounding thing I have ever read on The Internet. I can see through the cracks .. I can tell I’m getting through.
Get all wireless emitters as far away from the kids and grandkids as you can.
What do you have to lose (other than them if you do not)?
grudznick – if there is one thing I love, it’s an Internet gang fight. Imaginary ropes and chains, words whizzing by my head as I trade blows with pretend chain wielding keyboard thugs. It’s exhilarating! I’ve never felt more alive!
Regarding Crow Peak – I think their beer is the bee knees, but I don’t drink much these days.
Since it’s illegal, I can only pretend to use cannabis while imagining to listen to Dark Side of the Moon while envisioning the fiery glow of cheetos residue on my fingers and whispering in my mind, “far out, man.”
O.M.G. Can you believe what Insane Imbecile has done now?! You have to see it for yourself. Take a look here:
is.gd/nGey7q
Debbo,
The link doesn’t work, what did the man child do now?
Rumor has it that he may shutdown the government in retaliation for the impeachment.
Roger, I’ve heard the shutdown rumors. Wouldn’t surprise me.
Try this link: is.gd/pVjYNx
It is incredible, Roger, what some people will do to avoid talking about Donald Trump’s impeachable offenses.
Roger, no offense, but Debbo’s link worked for me. May I ask if you copied and pasted it? :)
Oh boy .. an aptly named website specifically to highlight and SEO President Trump’s most unlikeable things in the name of impeachment.
Hey, did you guys hear about the alternative Masonic order? They want to put President Trump’s picture on the mail box .. ’cause he delivers and ’cause all the three dollar bills are being used to pay for the impeachment from the “whistleblower”.
In other news, President Trump said “I could shoot Pelosi in the face and I would still get elected.”
In response, his electorate responded, “Mr. President, that’s what we elected you to do.”
If the “impeachment” is a political hatchet job, I support the shutdown.
Debbo – “Can you believe what Insane Imbecile has done now”
People who parrot out these silly talking points are just part of an anti-Constitutional infowar hit mob. The US Constitution supersedes all masonic charters – even the folks in the masons know this, making the situation tenuous, but not as tenuous as knowing where all the OTO scumbags live and what they have done. My message to them is this .. they are coming to get you. Maybe not now, maybe not next week, but they are coming. They’ve already rounded up thousands of really bad people, and they’re working up that chain .. that’s why we have impeachment. Not because of a doxxed dog.
How do you know when your “team” has lost any credibility?
When you dox a dog.
A DOG. YOUR “TEAM” PUBLISHED THE NAME OF A WAR HERO DOG.
You should own 100% of that ..
You got nothing. Bupkis.
Roger Cornelius – Trump’s impeachment is about 5G. His FCC is blocking the devices being installed .. AND FOR GOOD REASON.
Because 5G is like :
https://youtu.be/x4c_wI6kQyE
Trump’s impeachment rests in the hands of an out of control congress hundreds of miles away.
I can go to my city council and oppose 5G .. just a block and a half away.
#trumptrain2020w00t!
Instead of trying to impeach the man, the Masons should just focus on their OTO problem.
Because let’s face it .. the sordid practices of the AC and his OTO faction is what riled up the Christians.
The Masons are better than OTO .. expel them asap, solve the problem.
Hell, if the Masons weren’t rife with weird sexual deviants, I might consider joining.
But as long as their most active members are shucking and jiving, running the D.C. hustle, NO THANK YOU.
grudznick – regarding Crow Peak .. if you’re ever in town (actually this extends to anyone on here I’ve been bantering with), you can drop by my place. Crow Peak has growlers.
DEEP STATE NEWS ~ Presidents come and go. Deep State is the consistency and watchdog of America
~ Trump appeared to declassify the dog’s name: Conan.
For the second time, Trump posted a fake image of him putting a medal around the dog’s neck.
https://apnews.com/2ee11a794d8f463d96f06e5ddef75c17?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter_axiosam&stream=top
Porter Lansing – regarding the dog photo, I don’t say this type of thing often, but ..
To try to elevate this to an issue is moronic.
What mental condition does one have to be in to have no sense of humor whatsoever?
That is a good dog right there .. probably ought to get a medal.
And you and others are helping setup the photo op.
Oh ..
From RawStory….. On Monday, President Donald Trump “declassified” an image of the dog wounded in the raid that resulted in the death of ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi.
On Tuesday, the Trump campaign began raising campaign funds “in honor of all the great dogs who serve our country.”
Campaign manager Brad Parscale announced the campaign would be selling $15 “USA camo dog bandanas” because the 2020 re-election campaign “salutes our 4-legged heroes!”
Would you expect drumpf not to capitalize?
Capitalize on the ridiculousness and stupidity of anyone doxxing a service dog?
You bet.
I feel like I am seeing a microcosm of Washington and the GOP through John Dale over the course of this thread. It begins with some level of thoughtful consideration and questioning, devolves into attacking process, then goes completely off the rails to conspiracy theory.
My concern for the nation now is concern over the Trump cult. I thought the whole partisan tribalism was awful, but more-and-more the followers of the President are publicly unhitching themselves from reality at a whole new level. I had wondered how places like North Korea bent so easily to the Dear Leader, but now that I see so many Americans doing exactly that to President Trump. I have to believe there is something just hard wired in the human brains for mass self-delusion and -destruction.
You know, the very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. They don’t alter their views to fit the facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. (Dr. Who)
Johnny Fraud, reality called and said stay gone. They only want curable cases and yer a nut!
o – “They don’t alter their views to fit the facts. They alter the facts to fit the views.”
Everything you write is projection if you don’t believe Schiff is behaving corruptly.
At this point, I support Marshal Law, military tribunals and death by firing squad for Pelosi and Schiff.
What I have witnessed (assuming C-Span is not a huge deep fake system) is a squirming corrupted establishment being up-ended by a newly emerging counter-culture 20+ years in the making.
Don’t you see? It doesn’t matter what happens to Trump in this impeachment. It is not about a “cult” of Trump.
If you really want to identify a figurehead – this is more the cult of Ron Paul or JFK; anti-Federal reserve, anti-corruption, pro-constitution, pro-humanity.
The Pagan cultish minority that gained power through mass surveillance is vastly outnumbered.
The empress wears no clothes whether President Trump points that out or someone else.
It is NOT about Trump for anyone paying attention or subject unwillingly to the surveillance, which has been used to oppress while stating it’s being used for security.
FCC blocked Chinese 5G again.
GOOOOOOOD.
mike from iowa – stop behaving like a third rate CIA cutout. :)
News Flash: Oswald didn’t kill JFK.
Hey CIA, your’e naked!
Death by firing squad. Pagans. Oswald and JFK.
Good lord, man.
“Democrats have been saying they would impeach President Trump for collusion for 3 years…
When that fell apart, they turned a Joe Biden scandal into a Trump scandal and proceeded as if nothing happened.
These people are enemies of this country.
Enemy combatants and terrorists.”
— Carpe Donktum
“…surrounded by enemies and spies catching and perverting every word that falls from my lips or flows from my pen, and inventing where facts fail them.” -Thomas Jefferson’s reflections on Washington, D.C. in a letter to his daughter Martha.
Your train of thought method of writing, bouncing from idea to idea as soon as you think it, is fascinating and reads like a person experiencing mania.
Dicta – is this your first time in the comments section of a blog?
I admit, I do move quickly .. but I assure you, there is cogency to the thought.
A typical flow for me is to present a high level picture that incites specific questions. In the process of discussion, gaps in the perception(s) of the reader can be filled-in.
So, what specifically do you not follow?
https://youtu.be/CUyE6z-me_A
“Democrats have been saying they would impeach President Trump for collusion for 3 years…
Bulloney. Collusion isn’t a crime. constant lying about it is. So is obstruction. So is soliciting contributions from foreign governments. So are a multitude of emoluments violations. And perjury as soon as drumpf gets sworn under oath he will lie his orange, Johhny Fraud comforter off.
We need USMCA.
We need infrastructure.
We need AMERICAN IT.
We need better entrepreneurship (quantification of value proposal and ROI) and science (yes, it does cause cancer) around wireless.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2019/10/31/us/politics/house-impeachment-vote.amp.html
Inquiry is now official. Every single stoopid effing wingnut voted for it and 2 Dems jumped ship. Now drumpf and his band of partisan thieves have lost their main talking point. So they will just move on to the next one and obstruct just as they did when Obama was the GOAT Potus.
Another good thread shot to hell because of John Dale’s 5G, rantings, and lunacy.
I’m done here.
Roger Cornelius – If you’ll trace back through the thread, you’ll find the truth – that I didn’t bring-up 5G.
I’m happy to try my best, with respect and honesty, to prevent this just being a comfortable echo chamber that reinforces false beliefs.
PS
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mike form iowa – “Inquiry is now official”
You are 100% correct that this vote was meaningless, and that if those turds Pelosi and Schiff want the White House, they’ll have to win the election next year .. impeaching Trump is meaningless without due process. The rules passed today are steaming and covered in flies.
It’s a mockery of the democratic and due processes.
Some of the things I do not follow:
Death by firing squad. Pagans. Oswald and JFK.
And then Trump as an alternative to what dishonesty you are declaring, I guess.
Pursuing this on Halloween sends a message to Christians, who are being persecuted around the world at the moment – see “pagan roots in Halloween”:
“In ancient Britain and Ireland, the Celtic Festival of Samhain was observed on October 31, at the end of summer…. The souls of the dead were supposed to revisit their homes on this day and the autumnal festival acquired sinister significance, with ghosts, witches, goblins, black cats, fairies and demons of all kinds said to be roaming about. It was the time to placate the supernatural powers controlling the processes of nature. In addition, Halloween was thought to be the most favorable time for divinations concerning marriage, luck, health, and death. It was the only day on which the help of the devil was invoked for such purposes.”
Schiff and Pelosi, if I am correct, are covering up treasonous behavior hidden in the depths of the state of Ukraine, known by Russia and other neighbors. Schiff’s “parody” of the Ukraine call is willful and intentional subversion of the US democratic process that favors a foreign power – China, global banks, IMF, others. The “deep state” is trying to overthrow the President of the United States; McCabe, Comey, Clinton, Schiff, Pelosi. They have all done things far more egregious than President Trump, and are trying to push it back on the President for having the audacity – like JFK – to question the efficacy of the Federal Reserve’s shadow operations and integrations with global powers with interests running orthogonal to The United States’.
Oswald did not kill Kennedy – President Trump declassified the coroner’s report that clearly stated there were two bullets, two vectors, and thus JFK’s assassination fits the definition of “conspiracy”.
Who did? I believe Cuba-based adjuncts to the CIA acted on the orders of the people who control the Federal Reserve.
Trump is risking everything to root out the deepest and most dangerous of corruption in our government, and we should all be thanking him, not cheering on this unconstitutional and treasonous impeachment.
Thank you for the questions .. I enjoy working through these ideas and solidifying my own understanding, deciphering my own beliefs into their constituent parts.
O, well put.
“I feel like I am seeing a microcosm of Washington and the GOP through John Dale over the course of this thread. It begins with some level of thoughtful consideration and questioning, devolves into attacking process, then goes completely off the rails to conspiracy theory.”
I think most of the GOP in DC, led by Moscow Mitch, knows they’re doing this, though some, like Dale here, don’t. From what psychologists have been saying, the large majority of trumpelstilskins are true believers due to the steady diet of lies they’ve been fed. Only a few delve into delusions of Masons, 5G, etc.
Roger, I agree. All we have to do is look at the comments, one after another, that show us a very disorganized, impulsive mind. He’s quite similar to his hero psychologically.
I think I’ll join you in putting my energies and thoughts to work where they might be more effective. Dale’s mind is not penetrable.
Debbo – “Dale’s mind is not penetrable.”
Your desire to mind sex me notwithstanding, please note it’s not my mind that is impenetrable (the proverbial intellectual chastity belt) .. rather, you have failed to overcome the cogency, validity, and soundness of the ideas contained therein.
Someone needs to alert the lads in white coats. Johnny Fraud has forsaken all his meds and is babbling like a polluted brook.
You are just making claims on much of this stuff, though. You just throw in “deep state” and “cuban counterparts” and federal reserve shadow ops without any evidence for them. It’s like the saying goes: that which is claimed without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. You are eloquent enough in what you write, I guess, but it lacks any cogency and just stacks conspiracies on top of conspiracies without ever solidifying any of it. If you are going to make such grand claims, you need some grand evidence. We have very, very clear evidence that Trump lies all the time. Yet you dismiss that off hand without ever trying to square it with your world view that he is some sort of knight in shining armor. It’s weird, man.
Dicta – so, which of my answers has your concerned?
What is President Trump’s biggest lie? Let’s start there ..
“weird” — as I stated, President Trump is not perfect, and he’s also not the focal point of the movement. The focal point of the movement, if there is a single person harboring the mind-share, is Ron Paul.
Federal Reserve power must be checked, and they need some oversight. If anybody needs some oversight, it’s the people who print the money.
So, let me know what specifically you think lacks cogency and I’ll expand on it and share more about what drives my views.
If we are in a car together and you are driving and I see a problem on the road and yell, “veer left or we’ll get hurt”, would you ask stop and ask why before or after we hit the obstacle?
This analogy highlights an important point. The reasons we need to support Trump are vast, perhaps too vast to explain to someone who views deep state corruption as new or “weird”. I’ve been observing the corruption for decades and I marvel at how effectively the media is used to mind-control the public away from doing something about it.
But there is now a critical mass of people to whom the level of deception and corruption is not weird, and who see a path through President Trump and his base (the Ron Paul-ites) to make a difference.
about 70,000,000 folks are now punching through, and the MSM NLP isn’t working .. which is why the big push for weaponized 5G, in my opinion. Again, it’s a big picture that takes time to put together .. so be patient, piece by piece and be diligent in your study, and at some point I hope you trust your passenger, turn the wheel, and ask questions after we pass the obstacle.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/marshallphelps/2019/02/25/is-5g-being-weaponized/#507623c3a612
Again, thanks for the questions and be sure to catch my Internet radio broadcast .. that will get you caught-up pretty quickly. The program has an adult tone, though. Listen first before you bring in other peoples’ kids (especially) or your own!
You keep slipping that “deep state” descriptor in there as though we have agreed to the term. I don’t. Again, if you claim there is some sort of “deep state,” describe precisely what you think it is and provide evidence for it. As it stands, it sounds like you are using it to describe whenever the government does something you don’t like. It’s a crap tactic.
Dicta – yesterday at 6:36p I published a 16:59 segment entitled “What is the Deep State?” at https://PlainsTribune.com
I invite you to listen and get exactly what you asked for.
Howz this for spoiled pols acting like bratty 2 year olds……https://www.rawstory.com/2019/10/republicans-just-voted-against-the-impeachment-rules-theyve-demanded-for-weeks-lawfare-editor/
What is President Trump’s biggest lie? Let’s start there . Non starter. You lose, troll.
Remove the requirement to share my information with you and I will.
What’s the matter? Afraid your information will be weaponized against you? ;)
Try this:
https://plainstribune.com/podcast
add “xml” to the end for the podcast.
I just don’t trust you, John. You haven’t given me a reason to.
Trust is earned ..
I’m sure you also don’t have FaceBook, Gmail, Twitter, or any other web accounts from people you’ve never met and couldn’t if you tried.
Bravo. That’s pretty smart ..
PS – Enjoy the content. I build out the broadcast infrastructure using Enterprise Java, Raspberry Pi. It took thousands of hours to create the platform, and I worked very hard to build it.
I also work hard reviewing, collecting, and analyzing content for the program. Once I’m not on call for another software project I’m working on, I plan to sit down and broadcast another segment (the hit list).
After that, I will be doing a segment on the dangers of assuming that what people say in their homes is conviction.
Yeah, not on facebook or twitter.
Now I ask you, does anybody else get to plug their websites with the regularity of Johhny Fraud?
I wasn’t going to post here because I think Dale just wants to be part of a new record for number of comments- so trumpian. Plus his comments have no value.
Nonetheless, I decided 538 is worth it so …….
538’s analysis of the House Inquiry vote:
“I thought that perhaps one of the 19 House Republicans who are retiring after 2020 might support the impeachment investigation, since they don’t have to worry about a primary challenge or reelection. But those members still might want to run for another office as Republicans or join GOP-connected lobbying shops or conservative organizations, so they could still have reasons to maintain a reputation as Trump loyalists.”
“First, support for impeachment is above 80 percent among Democrats. Thus, even in a Trump-leaning district, it’s very likely that the majority of Democrats there favor impeachment. So a Democratic House member voting against impeachment would risk irritating the core activists, donors, volunteers and liberal voters that she needs to win reelection. Secondly, no matter how strong an argument she makes, a member who votes for an impeachment investigation but against impeaching Trump runs the risks of annoying both Democrats and Republicans in her district, satisfying no one.”
“But impeachment puts Trump, the person, even more at the forefront of the 2020 campaign — even for House Democrats not technically running against him.”
“I think we are going to see even more over-the-top shenanigans in the next few months, particularly from House Republicans, who know they don’t have the votes to win this political fight.”
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Shenanigans “particularly from House Republicans?” ONLY from House GOP. Democrats are trying to treat this regrettable need with the gravity and seriousness it deserves. This is not a time for shenanigans and the GOP should be ashamed, but Gaetz and crew lack the decency for that.
[Returning to my peaceful cone of silence in the world of reality.]
Today in cognitive dissonance: The large cohort of Americans saying that soliciting foreign interference wasn’t okay with them included a rather eye-popping 81% of Republicans, 85% of evangelicals, and 87% and rural dwellers. But when it came to impeaching Trump, the same poll hewed more closely to the responses of other recent polls, with 42% saying Trump should be impeached and removed from office while 44% said he should not; 48% also support the inquiry while 42% don’t.
https://www.alternet.org/2019/10/a-staggering-number-of-republicans-say-its-wrong-to-seek-electoral-help-from-a-foreign-government-poll/
So, it is wrong — unless our guy does it.
mike from iowa – “does anybody else get to plug their websites with the regularity of Johhny”
In the interest of being a master debater, I only refer to content on my own website when it is relevant to the topic. Just because it’s my website, doesn’t disqualify it from being cited, especially when I have produced a radio spot that directly addresses a question was asked.
Internet has links, dude.
460 – blue dog, sensible traditional SD liberals are offended by the impeachment proceedings, which were only bipartisan on the nay side yesterday.
They want USMCA, reeling in of the Federal Reserve, US IT, and infrastructure.
o – “The large cohort of Americans saying that soliciting foreign interference wasn’t okay with them”
Foreign intervention in certain matters can be acceptable.
If the Bidens were fronting a criminal enterprise with Clinton’s help (Air America sets the gold standard for CIA foreign operations), asking for help prosecuting him by Ukraine is acceptable.
Trump had his investigation (Mueller). It was a nothing burger.
Now, it’s Clinton’s turn.
There’s not a dissonance.
It’s nuance.
I think I am beginning to see your strategy. Just through so many accusations against the wall that people are too irritated to debate you. The Mueller report was not a nothing burger and there is no way you could make such a claim if you had actually read it.
John Dale: . . . which were only bipartisan on the nay side yesterday.
Actually that is not accurate: Justin Amash, the now Independent who left the GOP caucus BECAUSE of the tribal adherence to ignoring/obstructing/denying the malfeasance of President Trump, stuck to his principles and voted for the inquiry procedures as well. Your implication that the “no” vote was the lesser partisan side is erroneous.
Relevant to which topic? The rabbit hole you wriggle into every time you post?
Dicta – “The Mueller report was not a nothing burger”
This is a nebulous assessment. Allow me to refactor my comment, clarify my sentiment.
Whether the Mueller report produced a sufficient prosecutorial precursor was an empirical question.
What I don’t see from the President’s detractors ..
1 – What ideas of Trumps do you disagree with?
2 – Why was he only a racist after he won office?
3 – Who killed Epstein?
4 – Why Halloween?
5 – What policies might you agree with around which you could work with President Trump?
All I see is anti-Trump derangement with little regard for the efficacy of President Trump’s ideas/agenda/platform.
o – if you’re going to deny facts, it is impossible to reason with you.
2 Democrats crossed the isle.
No Republicans crossed the isle.
*rolls eyes*
Normally you’re a very reasonable person.
This is a partisan hit job.
It’s anti-democratic.
“Thank God for the deep state” means “screw the will of the electorate”.
If drumpf was innocent, why does he need to bribe senators with cash to protect him?
Moar ifs from the Troll. If the orange dog hadn’t stopped to kiss drumpf’s orange heinie, he would’ve caught the rabbit that creates all Johnny Fraud’s rabbit holes.
mike from iowa – these issues take more intellectual work than you are willing to provide.
Informational regressions provide context for better decisions and more complete analysis.
You call them rabbit holes.
I call it prerequisite work of responsible civic duty.
Deep State News ~ facts not fraud
President Trump declares Florida home
The president, a lifelong New Yorker, has changed his primary residence from Manhattan to Palm Beach, Fla., according to paperwork filed in September. The first lady, Melania Trump, submitted similar documents.
In confirming the news on Thursday, Mr. Trump said that he cherished New York and its people but that, “I have been treated very badly by the political leaders of both the city and state. Few have been treated worse.”
Gov. Andrew Cuomo’s response: “Good riddance.”
*He’s trying to outrun the New York Attorney General. Florida has a beautiful extradition agreement with NYC.
The fact no wingnut6s crossed the aisle means the partisanship is on them. Unlike JF, some of these wingnuts acknowledge criminal acts by drumpf and his criminal family.
Drumpf deserves two terms, life sentences both.
Drumpf put up his hotel lease for sale thinking he can sell it and escape emolument charges.
I call it prerequisite work of responsible civic duty.
You can call it the best sex ever, if that trips yer trigger. You are still a nut!
Just because a Republican no longer caucuses wit the GOP, it does not mean he no longer is a Republican. By the way, here is what Amash said after the vote: “Step outside your media and social bubble,” he wrote. “History will not look kindly on disingenuous, frivolous, and false defenses of this man.”
No republicans crossed the aisle, because any who would have been ousted from the GOP – it is tribalism by definition and exclusion. All the GOP voted against the inquiry because any who would not were excluded from the GOP. Democrats took no such partisan purity stance to the two who voted outside the Democrat caucus.
Votes only matter in the context of evidence, the evidence says that this incident is worth looking at. As such, the partisan hack-job was the unsuccessful obstruction attempt by the House GOP.
What is there not to like about the evidence against drumpf. Drumpf admitted he did it. The witnesses all agree he did it. Johnny Fraud says look a squirrel in a rabbit hole.
DEEP STATE overview: fact not fraud
By retweeting suspect accounts, seemingly without regard for their identity or motives, President Trump has lent credibility to white nationalists, anti-Muslim bigots and obscure QAnon adherents like VB Nationalist, an anonymous account that has promoted a hoax about top Democrats worshiping the Devil and engaging in child sex trafficking.
Sounds like drumpf and Barr have been asking some of America’s allies to dig up dirt on US Intel services. Not sure this has been verified, but it does fit the drumpf pattern of doing everything possible to throw shade At his perceived enemies and be damned whether it is true or not.
“President Trump has lent credibility” — an idea is separate from a person.
If Hitler believed that 2+2 was equal to 4, would we disavow that math because Hitler believed it?
Silly.
The president spends significant time mingling with extremists, impostors and spies.
~ Fake accounts tied to intelligence services in China, Iran and Russia had directed thousands of tweets at Mr. Trump, according to a Times analysis of propaganda accounts suspended by Twitter. Iranian operatives tweeted anti-Semitic tropes, saying that Mr. Trump was ‘being controlled’ by global Zionists, and that pulling out of the Iran nuclear treaty would benefit North Korea. Russian accounts tagged the president more than 30,000 times, including supportive tweets about the Mexican border wall and his prejudice of black football players. Mr. Trump even retweeted a phony Russian account that said, ‘We love you, Mr. President!
*What a dork!
Porter, I think you are incorrect in stating “By retweeting suspect accounts, seemingly without regard for their identity or motives, President Trump has lent credibility. . . .” By now it has been heavily and accurately documented that so many of Trump’s statements are false or misleading that none can be trusted without independent verification.
People like Trump that continually post tweets, blog comments, and other public statements propagating silly conspiracy theories and making false or misleading claims appeal to no one but those who already believe such tripe. We have plenty of examples right here on DFP of a few commentors that have squandered all credibility by repeatedly making obviously, false or misleading claims and repeating debunked conspiracy theories.
Unfortunately, despite holding the highest office in the USA, Trump has consistently revealed himself to be nothing more than an internet troll or, giving him the benefit of any doubt, a well-intentioned “useful idiot” used by entities or people propagating false stories, such as those individuals and groups identified in Mueller’s analysis and findings about Russia propaganda efforts in the 2016 presidential campaign. To any rational, open minded person Trump simply has now lost all credibility. People who claim to believe what he tweets and re-tweets likely would accept the same fictions no matter the source.
A man that I have admired from afar for many years is former world chess champion Gary Kasparov. Not only was he one of the greatest and most interesting chess players in history, he became an outspoken opponent of totalitarianism, and the authoritarianism of Vladimir Putin; so much so that he had to leave Russia because his life was in danger.
In a recent lengthy podcast he discussed much of his chess life and toward the end was asked about Russian interference in the 2016 election and anticipated interference in the 2020 lesson. This takes place between approximately 49:00 and 53:00 of the podcast. Here is the link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RVa0THWUWw&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR0zIkr0Bh9dMb3klmUfN9bW7GBPm_KjhYZ9NIgCmoI1_vMtie0rW035M84
Kaparov’s comments about Trump and Russians starts out somewhat humorous, but then gets right to the point. I’ll try to transcribe his comments here with whatever edits appear appropriate. I might not get it perfect so double check by listening if interested. Meanwhile chess enthusiasts likely will immensely enjoy the entire podcast, which also addressed artificial intelligence.
Kasparov knows!!
Wingnuts will disregard Kasparov because of his Jewish blood. You’ve heard the song and dance that Jews run America and the media.
This is an interesting read about Russia controlling wingnuts.
https://www.commondreams.org/views/2019/11/02/spare-us-vichy-republicans
Drumpf apparently strongarmed former Ukraine prez Poroshenko until he dropped an investigation into Manafort. Two abuses of power are better than one.
https://www.rawstory.com/2019/11/maddow-connects-the-dots-trump-may-have-done-this-exact-thing-once-before-with-ukraine/