Aberdeen’s sister march to Saturday’s nationwide student-led protest against gun violence and Congressional fecklessness gets a little attention in this morning’s paper. Organizer and Aberdeen Central junior Sonja Jones tells the press that those of us who marched up and down Main Saturday aren’t gun0grabbers:
“The purpose isn’t to ban guns. Hunting is our right. Self-protection is our right,” Jones said by phone Sunday. “But there’s no reason to have a weapon of mass destruction. People value their guns a lot, it’s very valued in South Dakota culture” [Kelda J.L. Pharris, “Small But Dedicated Group Marched for Lives Saturday,” Aberdeen American News, 2018.03.25].
…We just recognize that all rights exist in a rational balance requiring sensible regulation:
“I do believe in the Second Amendment, but your rights only extend until they hurt someone else. We need to draw a line of where the right to bear arms ends,” Jones said [Pharris, 2018.03.25].
AberdeenSD is with you #MarchForOurLives pic.twitter.com/ue5E9x1MSm
— CAHeidelberger (@coralhei) March 24, 2018
Every right must exist in balance with other rights. That only sounds radical to tyrants bent on keeping their power absolute.
Next up: getting all those marchers to draw a line where the NRA’s control of our politics ends by voting.
Apparently the education is not very good at Aberdeen Central.
There is no right in the Constitution to hurt someone.
More people are killed with hammers & clubs each year than rifles.
Handguns are also a weapon of mass destruction.
So are knives.
https://nypost.com/2016/07/25/multiple-people-killed-in-knife-attack-near-tokyo/
Fortunately, the kids have been resilient in their message and have not allowed uneducated NRA supporters to dictate their narrative.
Even as they remain under relentless attacks by adults their message has not changed since the Valentine’s Day massacre.
In a mere 39 days since the massacre to the March 24 March For Our Lives demonstration the kids are talking about what needs to change to protect their lives.
Peel away all the partisanship, the constant rhetoric of what an automatic weapon is or isn’t, defining the 2nd Amendment and the U.S. Constitution, the fact is that the lives of children simply going to school are in danger and there are those that want to kill them for no reason other than they have a weapon that can do just that.
The kids want to live, they want a chance to receive a good education and to go on and make a contribution to their country.
It is incumbent on all adults to demand that the kids are protected and feel safe at school.
Ammosexuals need to realize that their wild war toys aren’t very popular with Generation Z.
Jason, “More people are killed with hammers & clubs each year than rifles.” Way to promote the deceptive selective statistical that FOX perpetuated.
Rifles is a VERY limited class of firearm. Looking at the honest, larger picture of gun violence dispels that attempt at mis-information.
http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2013/jan/30/greg-abbott/greg-abbott-says-according-fbi-more-people-are-kil/
I would also argue that there is a legislative “right to harm people” in as much has gun manufacturers are protected from lawsuits holding them accountable from those hurt by their products. See the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act.
Yes handguns are dangerous. (see above show that fact is problematic with your assertion about “rifles”)
Lost in all the hoopla, a heroine from an earlier era passed away.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/03/26/brown-board-education-segregation-ruling-487317
O,
Should vehicle manufacturers be sued for their vehicles used to kill people?
Maybe the legislative answer is to take a page from other legislative restrictions of Constitutional protections: 1) before a person can purchase a gun, they MUST seek counseling where the dangers of firearm ownership are discussed, 2) alternatives to firearm ownership must be presented to all who wish to purchase a gun, 3) photographs of children killed in schools by firearms must be shown (and the potential purchaser MUST look at) those photographs, 4) no firearms can be purchased within 12 weeks of a national or personal firearm tragedy . . .
Jason, you don’t think Uber is going to be sued for their accident in Arizona that claimed a life? There is not shield law for auto manufacturers. That has gone a LONG way to ensure they manufacture a much safer product.
Jason- that is a big 10-4 good buddy, especially if the vehicle is defective.
What you can’t seem to get through yer head is autos were not designed to be weapons of mass destruction. Guns were. Guns were designed to kill. Guns were designed to kill. Guns were designed to kill. Guns were designed to kill. Guns were designed to kill. Guns were designed to kill. Guns were designed to kill. Guns were designed to kill. Guns were designed to kill.
MIke,
Guns were invented to get food easier.
O,
Uber will be sued, not the auto manufacturer.
Jason, grocery stores were invented to get food easier. Uber is the builder of the self-driving car in question.
Go troll Justice Stevens, he has the right perspective on the Second Amendment. You Second Amendment fanatics will be looking awfully silly when the Supreemes restrict gun rights in the face of societal need. I don’t think you have the goalies you think you have. When the simple appeal to authority is removed from your NRA rhetoric, what will you have left?
Justice Stevens has often talked about the 2nd Amendment and I have followed him for years.
This is the first time that I heard him mention the fact that sawed off shotguns are banned in this country.
If this country can ban sawed off shotguns, why can’t they ban weapons of mass destruction?
Roger, we can ban them. The reason we do not is because those who want gun control do not pay as well as those who do not. Why do we not have reasonable banking regulation; why do we have a wealth favoring tax system; why did banks get publicly funded bail-outs as citizens suffered; because that is what was paid for.
o
There is the possibility that I missed something, but I do not recall any outrage from the NRA and 2nd Amendment supporters about the ban on sawed off shotguns.
By no means am I advocating the legalization of sawed off shotguns, but I do find this curious in the debate about gun control.
Guns were invented to get food easier.
Ever plowed a furrow with a rifle? Ever dug potatoes with one? Most people pay cash for food. You rob stores?
Guns were invented to kill people-preferably the enemy ones.Then they were designed to kill many more people more efficiently.
The NRA has officially lost its collective mind. They are attacking the kids who survived the Parkland school shooting in Florida as if the kids were glory seekers lusting for fame and fortune rather than victims of a horrendous assault deserving of a voice in the public debate on gun control.
“The latest attack came from Colion Noir, a host on NRATV who took to the airwaves on the eve of the Parkland teens-led March on Washington, telling them: ‘No one would know your names’ if a student gunman hadn’t stormed into their school and killed three staff members and 14 students.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2018/03/24/nra-host-taunts-parkland-teens-no-one-would-know-your-names-if-classmates-were-still-alive/?utm_term=.8fc23e441b37
Of course the teenage survivors would prefer an alternate reality where no shooting took place, 17 kids and staff were not killed, and where they were not traumatized for life. When you are attacking mass shooting victims for speaking out about their personal experience and viewpoint on the issue of gun control, the question must be asked what wouldn’t the NRA do or say to stand in the way of gun law reform?
When the NRA’s strategy is to attack victim’s of gun violence, I think they have already lost the argument.
Al Sharpton’s half-brother charged in murder after marching against guns.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/al-sharptons-half-brother-charged-in-murder-after-marching-against-guns”
Darin,
Why didn’t they let the brother of one of the victims speak at the march?
Hey O,
How do you think your meat is killed?
Justice Stevens is not making the liberals happy.
“It’s a provocative claim, but it also raises serious questions about what planet Justice Stevens is living on,” Think Progress editor Ian Millhiser wrote Tuesday in reference to a The New York Times editorial Stevens wrote, suggesting Republicans and Democrats eliminate the Second Amendment.
http://dailycaller.com/2018/03/27/washington-post-think-progress-journalists-john-paul-stevens-second-amendment/
Navy SEAL Rob O’Neill
“It’s really entertaining to listen to kids who know nothing about guns tell sensible gun-owners how many rounds they need to protect their families,” he opined to his nearly 100,000 followers.
Jason says,
“Darin Why didn’t they let the brother of one of victims speak at the march?”
The march was held on Saturday March 24 and the incident you reported was on Sunday March 25, after the march. Did the brother of the victim request speaking time at an event that was held before the victim died?
Emma Gonzalez one of the amazing spokespeople for the march has more Twitter followers than the NRA.
Meat is killed with an air tool that drives a piston into the skull of the critter. Jason thinks they hunt those at the slaughter house with an AR 15 on full auto get’um. geesh.
Navy Seal Rob O,neill is kind of a squirrel for needing a machine gun to protect his family, from what? The attack of the flesh eating zombies. The harbor seal has never heard of the police I guess. The last sensible sniper gun owner that I can think of, got blasted by a student. And not on automatic either and not with a lot of rounds. How in the hell did that happen? 100,000 followers all giggling at him.
Poor Al Sharpton, really? I thought you would go all 6 degrees of Al and you did. With the Washington Examiner no doubt.
Pollack’s father Andrew said they tried for two days to work with organizers for a chance to speak at the march but that organizers denied the request.
“At first they told him, yes, then it turned to no,” Pollack told Breitbart News. “They claimed no time.”
“I was going to give a speech about Meadow and how devastated I am and how we need to make change, but they won’t allow me to put my voice out,” Hunter said in an interview. “I feel that they don’t really care about the victims’ families. If they did, they would have let me speak, and they didn’t. I don’t know what this is about.”
Are up calling him a liar Roger?
Has Al Sharpton been charged with a crime?
Jerry,
Where did I say an AR-15 was used at a slaughter house?
We used a .22 on the farm.
When are police there to protect you at the time of the shooting?
You do know the police come after you have been shot and killed right?
Why weren’t the police there to protect Kyle Jerry? I bet you won’t answer that question.
Well Roger,
Are you calling him a liar?
Calling him a liar? What are you talking about?
Do you know how to lose a debate on Dakota Free Press, Jason? Use Breitbart as a source.
Again, the march happened on Saturday, the murder you reference happened on Sunday, why would a supposed victim request speaking time before they were a victim?
Roger,
The question to Darain had nothing to do with my post about Sharpton’s kin. That’s why I posted his name after that story.
The brother of the Parkland shooting was denied to talk by democrats.
You do know the police come after you have been shot and killed right?
We beg to disagree sez Alton Sterling, Philando Castille, Stephen Clark and a host of other blacks shot by cops.
As for whether Pollack was denied a chance to speak, only right wing sites are carrying this story, therefore there is some very large context missing, if it isn’t a blatant lie.
Roger, Al Sharpton was branded an activist decades ago. Plus te fact he is black makes him a clear and present danger to snowflakes.
On the day of the Parkland massacre, Andrew Pollack was videoed driving around looking for his daughter wearing a Drumpf 2020 re-election shirt. The horror!
Oh fun!
Where did I say an AR-15 was used at a slaughter house? [Answer, because that is your solution to any instance. The discussion is about military weaponry. AR15’s are military assault weapons manufactured for one purpose, to kill humans]
We used a .22 on the farm. [ We did not, we always used the locker plant for the kill and for the processing. The ageing, followed by the quick freeze to go along with the storage, was what we were looking for. Also, a cleaner place as well. Great sausage and jerky were a taste delight]
When are police there to protect you at the time of the shooting? [ The police are a deterent to prevent anarchy. See, we do the same with a military presence.]
You do know the police come after you have been shot and killed right? [ Not always, you could pull your shotgun (not sawed off) and do some damage. Know what scares the hell out of any man? When you jack a shell into a shotgun. That sound is universal and it says that you mean business. BTW, why aren’t you bitching about the mandatory federal ban on sawed off shotguns?]
Why weren’t the police there to protect Kyle Jerry? I bet you won’t answer that question. [Kyle was to dumb to know his own limitations. Sometimes ego gets in the way of savvy. Kyle thought he was invincible but the game of chance he was playing, called in the marker and that was the end of Kyle]
Sensible gun laws make sense and save innocent lives, both young and old. Aberdeen marchers were just declaring their 1st Amendment rights for protection.
Not a real march. The issue has died. The media moved on leaving all the cry babies behind. . .
That was a poem. It rhymed. That means it was written with lines that ended in words or syllables with sounds that corresponded with the words at the ends of other the lines. Go ahead and read it aloud or to yourself. It sounded both cool and true.
We should do all our responses in poetry here. It would be our own “beatnik news” moment.
OldSarg is a nut, amirite, what? That rhymes. Yers didn’t.
The cause is alive. How can I tell?By all the stoopid white wingnuts claiming that the kids weren’t shot at, they are crisis actors all paid $300 bucks by George Soros.
They are still making stuff up about Emma G saying she admitted to having ostracized the gunman.
The kids movement for school safety is alive and well and progressing daily.
Yesterday Laura Ingraham of FOX Entertainment bullied Parkland student David Hogg over not being accepted into college, the young activist responded by calling for her show’s sponsors to pull the plug on her show, they responded. Nestle, Wayfair, Rachael Ray, and others pulled their ads from the show and more are expected to follow suit.
No, the kids aren’t going away, they are energized and are in this fight for the long haul.
Roger,
Ingraham even made a half-hearted apology to the student today. You know her pocket book is hurting if she is willing to take back anything she has said.
I’m all for beatnik comments and other creative expression.
I might even try verse from the Senate floor next Session.
Darin
David Hogg mocked her apology as half-hearted and not sincere, Laura can’t fool these kids.
David Hogg schooled Ingraham in economics, hopefully the wingnut will start paying attention to the crap that falls out of her mouth.
3 people randomly gunned down in Rapid City with military weaponry last night. The shooter had been in much trouble before with the law and yet he was able to open fire randomly with a .223 to seriously wound 3 people. So these random attacks are now happening here in South Dakota to prove the marchers across the state correcto mundo.
Jerry,
That took place in the vicinity of the police station. The cops can’t even protect you when they are near you.
Police caught the dude right quick like though, before he could randomly shoot someone else. Coppers have the dogs too, big un’s and the big old dog took a big old bite out of crime too, dude literally got the McGruff treatment. The shooter was not even going for property theft or a break in, just went all crazy and started to shoot for the hell of it. That is what the marchers in South Dakota and the world are speaking of, sensible gun laws. Dudes like this guy should not be armed with anything more that a squirt gun.
If your dead, it doesn’t matter if the cops catch the bad guy.
What sensible gun law would have kept him from getting a gun?
That should say “you’re”
Jerry,
There were four that were wounded and the perp has been charged with four counts of attempted murder.
The shooting was in the vicinity of the police station not at the police station.
In fact, there have been shootings at the Rapid City police station.
Jason writes: “The cops can’t even protect you when they are near you.”
Yeah, since the police can’t keep all criminals from harming the public in all instances, we should just get rid of the police, right? I mean this is just like gun laws haven’t kept all criminals with guns from harming people. Thus, we should just get rid of all gun laws. Police don’t stop all crime and gun laws don’t prevent all gun crime. What we need is more untrained random strangers with guns at the ready to engage anyone else at the drop of a hat who may or may not be a criminal. I mean to stop all gun violence, you need to be ready to shoot first and ask questions later.
And why are we stopping at arming teachers in the classrooms? What happens if the teacher has to step out of the classroom for a second and a shooter chooses that moment to appear at the school? The only logical thing to do is to arm the students as well. I mean we can’t prevent all school shootings with more gun laws, but we can arm all students and help Remington emerge from bankruptcy with a big gun order from the US Department of Education.
Darin,
Why did you say gun violence? Does murder or violence only matter to you when it is done by a gun?
Catching the militarily armed shooter without further bloodshed, is doing good police work. It is easy to see that in a situation where there is an armed shooter with military tactical weaponry, an armed citizen may have been blasted in an inadvertent crossfire. As this turned out, the shooter just got bitten in the arse to add to his misery of waiting to see if anyone dies or is maimed for life physically. Mentally, these innocent people are gonna pay for the shooters intoxication for the rest of their lives. I can tell you from experience, getting shot is not something I would wish on anyone. Now to find where the military weaponry came from and how this criminal nitwit got a hold of it.
Jerry,
What percentage of people are shot with a military “style” weapon in the US each year?
You forgot to answer my earlier question about gun laws.
Are you going to answer it?
Please answer the question in this post as well.
Perhaps Jason has a point about all violence, although the national dialogue has been specifically about gun violence.
After all, it was another white domestic terrorist that targeted and bombed black families in Texas.
Jason,
I’m all for tightening the laws surrounding the availability and use of rubber mallets as well.
Jerry, do you take Jason’s repeated questions seriously, most of them are bait.
Darin,
Just the other day I read an account of a woman that was murdered by a motorcycle muffler, detached of course.
Roger,
Just so Jason knows, I am against murder by muffler as well. If only there was a good guy with a muffler nearby at the time.
Darin, Jerry, and Roger have no proposals that will try to keep our children safe.
They have offered no evidence how a change in gun laws will keep the children safe.
I keep asking them for specifics, but no answer.
The only conclusion you can come to is they don’t care about the children’s safety and are using children for political purposes.
That is sick and sad.
Citigroup has the specifics, check them out. I cannot speak for Roger or Darin, but in my view, Citigroup has the specifically specific specifications to begin to curb military tactical weaponry.
Roger, I think that you may be suggesting this regarding Ol’ Jason. Never argue with a fool – they will drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience. Probably with that motorcycle muffler.
Jerry,
Are you going to answer my two questions or not?
Citigroup has no control over gun laws or keeping our children safe.
Jason,
Let’s not kid ourselves here. You have no interest in a discussion of any gun control proposals. You are here to be part of the problem, not part of the solution. Carry on.
Darin,
I have proposed ideas to try to keep schools safe on this site.
Please inform me what specific gun control laws you want that would keep children from getting killed by a gun in school.
jerry,
I’m familiar with Citigroups proposal for gun safety in schools and they do seem workable.
Jason continues to think that because we don’t answer his inane questions that we don’t offer solutions. I have made suggestions throughout this whole gun debate, perhaps not on this thread, but on others and am tired of repeating them. Aside from that, any recommendations I make are irrelevant, like Cititgroup I’m not in any position to enforce them.
We can all rest assured that Jason loves children more than anybody else in the world because he supports the 2nd Amendment.
Gun safety in schools? What are you talking about?
I am asking about not having kids killed in schools.
Roger has offered no ideas how to stop a bomb from going off in a school.
He has also offered no ideas of how banning an AR-15 would stop a kid from being shot in a school.
I on the other hand have offered real world solutions to minimize it.
Will Roger acknowledge that the police and school officials are responsible for Cruz not being in a psych ward? I bet not.
Citigroup is on the right track with this Roger. They could do more with the credit cards though. Gotta start someplace though. Citigroup right now, has the right idea for a start.
Jerry,
Why won’t you answer my two questions?
Are they too hard for you?
Number 1. Citigroup rules, Number 2. Citigroup still rulz. There ya go.
Jerry,
Thanks for confirming you can’t converse with someone with intelligence and common sense.
Can you guys explain to me what is moral about you using children for your political gain?
It is evident that I have proved you are not giving any factual ideas to keep our children safe.
I’d suggest that since Jason has the answers to all the world problems regarding violence in schools he be appointed to Betsy DeVos commission on school safety.
Since you’re to eager to prove yourself right about guns and violence, Jason, you repost all your suggestions, I’ll forward them to the proper authorities.
Roger,
Please explain in DETAIL how your gun control laws will stop school shootings?
I bet you will not.
Oh that is a good one Roger. Dude keeps this up and he could get a cabinet position with his russian boy, trump.
Jason,
Is it moral for republicans to continue to deny sound recommendations about school safety? It has something to do with all the Putin/NRA money republicans get.
Jason, you haven’t proved anything except that you have a desire to be right.
Roger,
What is “sound recommendations about school safety?
I have provided them. You have not.
Jason,
You are the school safety expert that hasn’t posted any solutions on this thread, you simply repeat that you have the answers and demand that others answer your pesky questions.
Jerry, he would make a damn good Trump cabinet member given that Trump hires the least qualified people for high profile positions.
Jason,
Seriously, you don’t understand the meaning of “sound recommendations for school safety”?
You continually say you have provided these answers, but they are nowhere around.
Roger,
I have posted solutions on another article Cory has posted. I am sure you have posted in that thread and have read them, so your post is a lie. You can search for it.
Roger,
Where have you posted your “sound recommendations for school safety”?
Jason,
It is not a lie, I don’t recall reading them and will not waste time looking for your nonsense.
We never know whether you are coming are going, Jason.
It’s very simple Roger.
1. Armed guards like politicians and hollywood people have.
2. Metal detectors.
3. Locked doors
4. Sheriffs who do their job.
Those would minimize death.
There is no gun control law that will stop a school shooting?
Do you agree or disagree Roger?
I can guarantee you that there is no law that will stop a school killing by any weapon.
Jason,
Would you prefer a gold star or purple ribbon?
Roger,
I prefer that you quit using children for your politics. It’s sick.
Jason
What you continually are misinformed about is that it is only in your imagination that anyone is using the kids.
I’ve listened to these kids carefully and have found they are well informed, intelligent, and articulate, in other words all the things you aren’t.
Your refusal to listen to them and their life stories of survival clearly demonstrate that you don’t care if they live or die.
One time in our history an entire generation refused to listen to kids and the 60’s revolution was born.
Why can’t you listen to the kids without critiquing their every word and sentence.
Apparently you have never had teenage children, it is next to impossible to make them do anything if they don’t want to.
Roger,
I refer you to the kid in the article Cory posted above and my response to that. I proved the kid is an idiot and the education at Aberdeen Central is horrible. The kids are not well informed, not intelligent, and lack common sense. You have those same qualities.
I do care that they live. That is why I have offered real world solutions to minimize them dying.
Why didn’t Clooney and the Democrat groups give their money to schools for metal detectors and armed guards instead of a useless march?
Why do celebrities have armed guards?
They are hypocrites.
Claiming there are “political purposes” for supporting the children who seek better gun control rings a bit hollow. It is accurate in one sense, namely, attempting to support politicians that are not beholding to the NRA’s money is a “political purpose.” Likewise, seeking new laws aimed at reducing the opportunity for mass shooters to acquire the tools they need to accomplish such atrocities probably qualifies as a “political purpose.” Other than that, however, the claim is just meaningless, undefined noise about some nefarious undefined “political purpose.”
I know Sonja Jones. She is an intelligent young woman. Jones’s statements quoted above show no sign of intellectual or moral defect. And no one has refuted her statements, let alone “proven” that she is an “idiot.”
I frequently teach at Aberdeen Central. The education offered there is not “horrible.” There is no evidence in any of Sonja Jones’s statements that would support such a claim. Even if you can find me one student at Aberdeen Central who says knuckle-headed things (and I will grant that examples likely exist), no one example of such knuckleheadery “proves” that an entire high school offers substandard education. I could likely find one stupid statement from someone from every university in the country, from Harvard to DSU to Falwell’s Liberty University, and each of those single idiotic statements would not indict the quality of any entire school, any more than any single brilliant statement from any member of any student body is standalone proof that that student’s school offers a world-class education.
Posted this yesterday-
mike from iowa
2018-03-29 at 07:52
Why are Parkland School kids so effective? Maybe this is why.
The Justice Sandra Day O’Connor Civics Education Act – named for the former member of the US Supreme Court who has made civic education a hallmark of her post-bench work – passed in 2010 with bipartisan support. It mandates that all middle school students in Florida take a civics course, pass a comprehensive test, and include civics education reading in K-12 language arts.
More than 90 percent of Florida civics teachers discuss current events in the classroom, and two-thirds of them do so every week. Most employ a variety of methods, including debates and mock trials.
Florida’s Broward County, the sixth largest school district in the United States where Stoneman Douglas High is located, takes civics education even further. In the district-wide debate program, every public high school and middle school has a team, and several elementary schools participate as well.
“[T]he overall emphasis of civic learning is paying off,” says Louise Dubé, executive director of iCivics, a civic learning website with teaching resources and games founded by Justice O’Connor in 2009. “[Parkland] is a sad way that we got to discover this, but a Civics 2.0 – not your grandmother’s civics – but a civics that is relevant, engaging, and puts kids at the center of the political action … graduates citizens who are ready to be a part of a community that we call the American experiment.”
From Sheila Kennedy’s blog
Here is the rest of Sheila’s blog article-
http://www.sheilakennedy.net/2018/03/__trashed-3/
They aren’t effective Mike.
They have no answer to the fact that a handgun could have killed the same number of people at the school.
Since the day of the Valentine’s Day massacre the adult kid haters have been cherry picking their comments with the assumption that all the kids believe the same thing.
I’ve heard some calling for the repeal of the 2nd Amendment, but they have been a minority.
For the most part the kids have been effective in their messaging and are aware of the economic impact they have when it comes to adults bullying them.
Laura Ingraham has lost 9 sponsors of her show and more may follow.
The kids forced NRA to spend more on media advertising.
The kids were also able to force NRA sponsors to drop their support of NRA.
One of their major projects will be to call out politicians that receive campaign donations from the NRA, this action will impact the 2018 mid-terms as well as the 2020 general election.
mike from iowa, Wolf Blitzer on CNN was just discussing the background and training the kids have received and his guest agree with Shelia Kennedy.
Physical threats and threats of violence against the kids seem to be making them stronger and relentless.
Here’s a sure fire way to get the 2nd Amendment repealed, just tell Trump that President Obama wrote the 2nd Amendment and Trump will want to repeal it in a heartbeat.
Trump will never know the difference, hell, he doesn’t even know how the Post Office functions.
Roger,
These kids have no economic impact other than taking money from hollywood and the Dems.
Those sponsors will be replaced and they will lose customers.
Jason and the Ammo cannots can only bang on the one drum to try to drown out the students. Just like their moll Laura Ingrahmas, who just got schooled, they are flailing and failing. Good to see.
Only a naïve kid hating adult would believe that the kids have not made an economic impact on the NRA, Laura Ingraham, and others.
Jenny Craig just announced they are dumping Ingraham with more likely to dump her.
There is nothing wrong with the kids receiving financial support from Hollywood, Democrats, or even George Soros, I haven’t heard if Soros is actually supporting the kids, but I’m sure the right-wingers are making the claim.
I believe they said someone with a knife could not have killed that many people.
But, the way the NRA and right wing blogs are bent out of shape, those kids touched many raw nerves. Russia/NRA’s days as the schoolyard bully are numbered and you either get on the train or get left behind.
George Soros did not pay protesters $300 bucks to protest. That has been debunked over and over. Every protest brings a libelous claim that Soros is the money man behind every one.
The whole attitude from people like Jason that kids shouldn’t be involved in our political arena is incredible. Organizations like the NRA which is a shill for the gun manufacturers provide tens of millions to fight in the political arena, yet our young adults who are the future of this country should remain silent?
Jason and the NRA have a playbook of demonizing anyone who dares to speak out about gun control. However, blaming victims of gun violence doesn’t play well with voters and they are left flat-footed.
Jason, keep up the good work. You are sowing the seeds of the NRA’s demise and the return to rationale and sane public policy with regard to gun control.
Darin,
I’m not saying they shouldn’t be involved. I am not demonizing them either. I am calling them out for their faulty logic and false statements.
I’m calling out the media for only showing the Democrats on tv.
Why isn’t the media reporting the fact that these are democrat marches, not child marches.
The children numbered around 10% of the total at the D.C. march.
Planned Parenthood workers, PACs donated $25M to Dems since 2000.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/08/13/planned-parenthood-workers-pacs-donated-25m-to-dems-since-2000.html
–Don’t bother demonizing the fox link until you have proof the number is wrong.–
Even CNN admitted they are not calling out Hogg’s lies.
http://dailycaller.com/2018/03/27/brian-stelter-david-hogg/
There is a video in that link.
Anybody who calls for gun control never answers yes when I ask them if their gun control law will stop or reduce murder.
The fact is a handgun can do the same amount of damage as an AR-15.
Are you calling for a handgun ban Darin?
Are these children calling for a handgun ban?
Please explain to me the logic of banning one and not banning the other?
I imagine it would resemble the logic that leads most armies to send soldiers to the front with rifles, not just sidearms.
Laura Ingrahooligan of Fake Noize has lost 11 advertisers since she mocked David Hogg. She is taking a leave of absence all next week to make excuses for losing advertisers.
Still think the kids weren’t effective, Jason?
The fact is a handgun can do the same amount of damage as an AR-15. What utter drivel. A muzzle loader can do the same amount of damage as an AR or a pistol. But muzzle loaders, like pistols, don’t come with thirty, forty or 100 round magazines like the AR. You’d get there eventually.
Russia/NRA failed to deter Parkland students by siccing the “B” team on them. They are rolling out the big guns- Motor Mouth Nugent is on the hunt.
Calls the kids soulless, mush mouths.
If you hear someone claim David Hogg was at home when the Parkland shooting happened, know it is a deliberate misreading of a CBS interview with Hogg.
Hogg was at home at 6 PM and grabbed his camera and bike and raced back to school for pics and interviews with neighbors of the school.
You didn’t answer my question Cory.
Mike,
Do know how many seconds it takes to change a handgun magazine?
Not near as fast as you can type drivel, Jason, me olde piglet.
Jason is Dakota Free Press version of Ted Nugent.
I see Roger and Mike can’t refute my facts as usual.
Jason says ar15s aren’t so dangerous, no more lethal than a handgun. HEADLINE “An arsenal of firearms. More than 1,100 rounds. Fifty-eight dead and more than 800 wounded-Las Vegas”.
Leslie,
A bomb could have done the same thing if not more.
Jason, but a bomb didn’t do it, guns did.
The only fact that you have proven is that you’re a petulant child just like Trump.
Jason’s logic: if you can obtain bomb-making plans on the internet, study those bomb-making plans, illegally obtain bomb-making materials, illegally build a bomb, illegally plant the bomb, and illegally remotely trigger it, all without blowing yourself up or being discovered in this lengthy process, then you also should be able to legally go to your local gun store and walk out with an AR-15 in 10 minutes or less without a comprehensive background check.
I’m sure it makes perfect sense in your head, Jason.
Darin,
Ted Nugent, Jr. lacks logic, don’t expect to find it in him.
Darin,
People made bombs before the internet.
How old are you?
Anyone remember this? “On a warm Sunday night exactly six months ago, Stephen Paddock barricaded himself in the Mandalay Bay hotel, assembled a makeshift video surveillance system, smashed two windows of his suite on the 32nd floor, loaded his rifles and opened fire on 22,000 concertgoers who had assembled on the Las Vegas Strip below. It is the worst mass shooting in modern U.S. history, but what inspired it?
Paddock, a 64-year-old gambler, retired accountant and real estate investor, fired more than 1,100 rounds rounds into the crowd at the Route 91 Harvest music festival, killing 58 people and injuring more than 800 others in just 10 minutes. About an hour after he fired his last shot, police found Paddock in his suite, dead of a self-inflicted gunshot wound. He didn’t leave a suicide note.”
The marchers in Aberdeen are spot on and so is Citigroup.
Jerry,
Please explain in detail how a law would have stopped that?
I bet you your house you can’t.
Are you willing to put up your house? btw, it is paid for?
I meant is it paid for Jerry.
jerry,
Little Teddy, Jr. has been betting his house on the Noem/Tax post, hopefully he has more than one house.
Little Teddy is in a canyon that echoes his same inane questions over and over.
Mentally unstable could have given law enforcement the tools to keep him from military weaponry, if we had the sensible gun laws the Aberdeen marchers are asking for.
“Investigators turned to Paddock’s physician. The doctor described Paddock as “odd” and as a man who showed “little emotion.” He believed that Paddock may have had bipolar disorder but told police that his patient had refused to discuss the issue further. Paddock didn’t appear to be abusing any medications, the doctor noted. In fact, he seemed fearful of medication in general. While he had been treated for anxiety, Paddock had refused antidepressant medication.”
800 casualties in 10 minutes means that the Aberdeen marchers are spot on and so is Citigroup.
Jason says “People made bombs before the internet.”
But Jason, the sky is blue. Oh, I’m sorry, I thought we were just throwing out meaningless tangential phrases based upon your response. That’s how your game is played, right.
Darin,
Are you saying someone cannot make a bomb to blow up a school?
If not, than your post is meanliness.
Jerry,
The police and mental officials had plenty of time to put Cruz in a mental institution and they didn’t.
That’s on them.
Bingo Jason! You finally get it! We need sensible gun laws to keep military weaponry out of the hands of the unstable. The Aberdeen marchers show that it is on them…It is on them to fix it because the current political situation in this country could not fix a scrambled egg.
Jerry,
I said nothing about what you are implying. I feel sorry for you.
No, you did. You really did.
Prove it Jerry with my words. I bet your house you can’t.
Read them yourself. The one right before I said Bingo!
Are you drunk? My post was not about guns before your bingo post.
Always good when you agree Jason. Always good that you agree with the Aberdeen marchers.
Good job, jerry, you nailed him
I see Jason doesn’t refute any facts.
Why won’t Darin answer my easy question?
Jason
2018-03-31 at 19:48
Mike,
Do know how many seconds it takes to change a handgun magazine?
This is not a fact to be refuted. It is not a fact.
The fact is you don’t know or will not answer it.
Which one is it Mike?
London Murder Rate Overtakes New York Amid Spike In Stabbings, Shootings.
London has surpassed New York City’s murder rate for the second month in a row, due mostly to a spike in knife crime and shootings which left 15 Londoners dead in February – nine of whom were age 30 or younger, and 22 dead in March vs. New York City’s 21, according to the Sunday Times.
While both cities have around 8.5 million people, NYC’s murder rate has dropped by around 87% since the 1990’s, while London’s has grown approximately 40% in just three years – not including deaths from terrorist attacks. Experts have credited the NYPD’s zero-tolerance policing model driving down the homicide rate in NYC from around 2,000 deaths in 1990 to 230 last year.
London, however, is experiencing a spike in violent crime.
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-04-01/london-murder-rate-overtakes-new-york-amid-spike-stabbings-shootings
Jason’s plan to reduce the murder rate in London: let people trade in their knives for guns. That’ll fix it.
Anti-semitism in London has grow astronomically. Here is another one for you Jason. This is yer NRA- https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-jdybgqp9fwE/WsE6dB0tG7I/AAAAAAABwsE/QcXizL1FkWofDc8GZyHdXR-_THietBavgCLcBGAs/s1600/nra.jpg
The fact is you don’t know or will not answer it.
Which one is it Mike?
Keeerist, are you that freaking thick? Your phony question is not a fact. The answer(s) are not facts, either. No more games, goofy!!
Here is an empirical fact for you, Jason. The collective intelligence on this blog drops precipitously when you show up. Refute that, homey.
Aghdam’s family said she was an animal-welfare activist and vegan campaigner who had never hurt a living thing before Tuesday. Her father and brother said she had become enraged at YouTube, however, believing that it had censored her videos and cut off her income from the site. “She was angry,” her father, Ismail Aghdam, said
MIke,
Where are you?
Bank of America supports Aberdeen Marchers! Another bank, another yuuuuge supporter of what you marchers stand for! Your work is working, resist!
“Bank of America will stop lending to gun manufacturers that make “military-style firearms” for civilians, the bank’s vice chair announced in an interview Tuesday.
“We have let them know that we are going to, it’s not our intent to underwrite or finance military-style firearms in a go-forward basis,” Anne Finucane, vice chair for Bank of America, told Bloomberg.
The decision was in direct response to a number of high-profile mass shootings across the country, most recently at a Parkland, Florida, high school that left 17 people dead in February.
“We want to contribute in any way we can to reduce these mass shootings,” Finucane said.
The decision from Bank of America, the US’s second-biggest bank, came after the company announced in February it would ask gunmakers how they could help end mass shootings.”
https://www.buzzfeed.com/salvadorhernandez/bank-of-america-says-it-will-stop-lending-money-to?utm_term=.kpwM7vvem#.utYZb66NV
http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2018/04/dicks-sporting-goods-is-not-just.html
Dick’s sporting goods is destroying leftover assault weapons and accessories left after their gun selling ban.
Let’s talk about what a shotgun and handgun can do in a school.
KHOU11, a news station in Houston, Texas is tackling this myth head on during its ongoing coverage of the shooting. When reporting on the incident, journalist Tiffany Craig has been using a screen with three columns. One column displays information that has been “verified,” another displays information that is “false,” and a third displays information that has been reported, but has yet to be verified.
In a time when misleading reporting is coming from every angle, including from CNN, it’s incredibly refreshing to see a journalist and a news station doing the hard work of real reporting.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/30839/watch-local-reporter-houston-debunks-misleading-frank-camp
Let’s talk about mental illness and the lack of healthcare for people like this shooter, in your own words Jason
“Jason 2018-04-01 at 00:00
Jerry,
The police and mental officials had plenty of time to put Cruz in a mental institution and they didn’t.
That’s on them.”
Indeed it is on them, as they had plenty of time to recognize the fact that clearly there was something amiss with this boy in Texas now. As Jason so eloquently notes, “the police and mental officals had plenty of time to put _______ in a mental institution they didn’t”. Clearly we need parental as well as law enforcement to be our public safety. Thanks Jason, once again for your remarks.
Jason says – “Let’s talk about what a shotgun and handgun can do in a school.” Okay, as a point of comparison, consider how much more killing and injuring could have been done with an AR-15 and three or four 30 round magazines, instead of a shotgun and a pistol. Imagine another 20 or 30 kids dead and ask yourself whether Jason’s question is stupid or enlightening.
Enlightened by Jason and dailywire? Guffaws all around!
It is always interesting when ammosexuals want to discuss the type of weapons used in school massacres.
Whether it be a shotgun, handgun, AR-15, knife, or a baseball bat children end up dead.
Predictably, when the killer is white the emphasis is on mental illness, when the killer is a person of color it is terrorism.
Anyone that uses Dailywire as a source should be spanked with a wet noodle.
Roger, people around Drumpf want the incident of one guy firing a gun at Drumpf golf course listed as an act of terrorism against Drumpf. That shooter was white.
I guess a lot depends on whose ox is being gored.
Bearcreekbat wrote:
Okay, as a point of comparison, consider how much more killing and injuring could have been done with an AR-15 and three or four 30 round magazines, instead of a shotgun and a pistol. Imagine another 20 or 30 kids dead and ask yourself whether Jason’s question is stupid or enlightening.
Prove it.
I can give you “could haves” all day.
Prove what?
Jason, prove what? Are you suggesting that an AR-15 could not have done more damage? Perhaps we could consider and compare the fatalities and injuries inflicted by AR-15’s in other school shootings?
For example in Parkland the shooter used an AR-15 to kill 17 and injure 14. The Sandy Hook killer was able to kill 20 kindergarteners and 7 adults with his AR-15 type weapon.
Are you satisfied or do you need more “proof?” What will satisfy your curiosity about when and whether a killer can kill more people with an AR-15 and large magazines than with a shotgun and a pistol? Inquiring minds want to know.
2012 Aurora shooting … twelve dead, fifty eight wounded (most of whom will have lifetime chronic pain and need continual physical therapy). Shooter had AR-15’s and several hundred round magazines.
Colorado Democrats moved quickly to outlaw any magazine over fifteen rounds. Since then, not ONE gun owner has needed more than fifteen bullets at a time. Not one!!
Bearcreekbat,
You didn’t prove a shotgun can’t kill as many people as an AR-15. I’m asking you to prove what you say.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXkyEbrqNGw
Porter,
It doesn’t matter how many rounds the magazine holds when you are in a gun-free zone.
@Jason … You got that right. What’s the Kuwaiti Navy like? Can they fight?
Of course I did Porter.
Jason, now you are just trolling again and I don’t plan on feeding you any more. If you think you can prove that a shotgun can harm as many people asan AR-15 with three 30 round magazines, be my guest.
Bearcreekbat,
There is a reason a shotgun is better for small quarters than a rifle.
Just let me know when you want to back up your statement.
“Texas school had a shooting plan, armed officers and practice. And still 10 people died.
Officials said procedures worked as intended, but a gunman was still able to enter the facility, kill students and teachers, and hold off police for 30 minutes.” Jason is correct when he said this:
“Jason 2018-04-01 at 00:00
Jerry,
The police and mental officials had plenty of time to put Cruz in a mental institution and they didn’t.
That’s on them.”
Only way to prevent using any gun is to have mental health treatments