Kristi Noem, who has been campaigning for governor since just a few days after she won her fourth term in Congress, held what she branded as a campaign “launch” at the Kones Korner gun shop a few miles up the road from her house on Highway 81 yesterday.
Tom Lawrence asks an optics question:
Kones Korner is literally wall-to-wall guns. I grew up near there. In light of the Florida massacre, is this really the place to announce? https://t.co/tfeVtfv2j9
— Tom Lawrence (@TLCF26) February 20, 2018
Young people, if you’re sick of Noem-ish gun-nuttery, register to vote.
While posing with guns and things killed by guns, Noem took time to say that our “pretty phenomenal state” has some pretty phenomenal problems:
“We do have communities within our state that have been in poverty and destitution for generations. We’re not real transparent as a state government,” she said. “We shouldn’t be making headlines for scandals, mismanagement and million-dollar lawsuits, which is what we’re doing today” [Dan Crisler, “Kristi Noem Formally Kicks Off Her Campaign for South Dakota Governor,” Aberdeen American News, 2018.02.20].
Scandals? What scandals? right, Joel Rosenthal? Noem sounds like just another Democrat, making stuff up for political gain.
Noem also did her weak Cincinnatus impression:
“I told you when I was going to run for Congress that I wouldn’t stay there longer than 10 years because I believe in term limits and that I was going to come home,” she said.
When Cincinnatus came home, he went back to farming. When Kristi Noem made her ten-years-max promise in 2010, she told Tom Lawrence she wasn’t looking for a career in politics:
If she does win, Noem vowed to serve a maximum of 10 years in Congress. She said she isn’t looking for a career in politics.
Noem said she wants to follow in the footsteps of the nation’s founding fathers and serve for a time before deciding to “step back and be part of the community” [Tom Lawrence, “Noem: I Can Win,” Mitchell Daily Republic, 2010.06.23].
Four years in the Legislature, eight years in Congress, now seeking four years as Governor… I think Cincinnatus and everyone else would call sixteen years in politics a career. But Kristi’s term-limit natterings have always been fiddle-faddle.
So, I wouldn’t vote for Noem in the General Election, but let’s say you want the best candidate of those running. Who would that be? Is there anyone running besides Noem and Jackley? Is there a righty running? It would be nice if there was a more centrist Republican, like Nils Boe, running.
I liked that Noem stood up for South Dakota against the borehole and nuclear waste. (One good thing about the Trump Administration is they ended that project.) And I like that Noem recognizes the long-standing governance problems in South Dakota. Whether she would actually do anything constructive to change it is another question. It would be nice if she came out against the Republicans efforts to delete the “the people ruling” part of the state motto, and came out for killing the effort to cripple the initiative and referendum.
As far as the gun store, it’s a part of South Dakota culture and custom. They probably should put away the AR-15s, though.
Excellent idea, Kristi, “GO HOME!”
My mom and dad were from Castlewood and are now buried there.
That earthquake you felt was my dad, a government teacher, rolling over in his grave.
I can’t even imagine how mad dad would be that she’s announced near his hometown.
What has to be brought out is how much she has been in the pocket of Trump and is a solid supporter.
And this is A bad look after the Florida school shootings. But she doesn’t care and sadly neither do her supporters. They’re right to own a AR-15 trumps those kids right to live.
Hopefully there are some South Dakota students that share the beliefs of the Pinedale School shooting victims and set Noem clear on gun violence.
Cory,
When is the SD Democratic party going to start runnings ads saying guns should be taken away from South Dakotans?
“We do have communities within our state that have been in poverty and destitution for generations. We’re not real transparent as a state government,” she said. “We shouldn’t be making headlines for scandals, mismanagement and million-dollar lawsuits, which is what we’re doing today”
She just described Drumpf and wingnuts in control of congress.
How many school shooting/mass shootings does the county have to suffer before the optics of a candidate surrounded by guns becomes detrimental to that campaign?
Someone please explain that the bazooka in the background in the first picture is a “hunting” rifle.
O,
Please tell us what law will prevent a mass shooting or bombing?
Also, please tell us where the word hunting is used in the Constitution?
Mike,
The scandal is that democrats colluded with the Russians and lied to the FISA court.
Jason,
Haven’t you heard? President Obama and Hillary took South Dakotans guns away 8 years ago just as the NRA and republicans said they would.
Jason supports school massacres by not doing anything to stem the systemic gun violence,
Jason,
Australia figured it out. Why do you run to the “law” for all the answers? I think individual reasoned responsibility is the answer. Don’t hide behind the “law” being unable to fix every problem to say that problems are unfixable.
Hunting is not in the Constitution. I did not mean to imply that it was. My point is the escalation and the destructive firepower of the unchecked Second Amendment has made available armaments FAR beyond what the (more reasoned) NRA once argued for. To pretend that guns do not have destructive purposes is to burry your head in the sand and take foolhardy positions of surprise (or worse yet, acceptance) when these weapons unleash the destructive potential they were designed for on innocent targets.
Jason, are school shootings and mass murder just the “price we pay for the freedom of the Second Amendment?”
Let’s talk about Australia.
More than 1 million guns were destroyed in the aftermath of the massacre, but research shows Australians have restocked over the past 10 years, importing more than 1 million firearms.
Let’s not forget that over half of Australians never relinquished their guns and are criminals now.
You can kill more people with a bomb than a gun and it is easier to legally make a bomb than legally buy a gun.
If frightened school children can’t turn to the law for some protection against school shooters, who do they turn to?
Correct Roger.
That’s why we need armed adults at the school.
“easier to legally make a bomb”, making a bomb or having the components to make a bomb is illegal
Isn’t a law required to have armed adults at schools?
The scandal is that democrats colluded with the Russians and lied to the FISA court.
Jason, do try to keep up with reality. Mueller just indicted Russians and businesses and according to a former Bush WH lawyer, he is showing he can charge collusion whenever he wants.
Your mewling about Dems colluding has been debunked over and over again and is just another one of your distractions.
The Scotus just made a couple of rulings in California that will get yer knickers in a twist. https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/20/politics/supreme-court-california-gun-control/index.html
I’ll save you the bother, it lets 10 day waiting period stand and allows Calif to charge guns owners a fee to pay for background checks.
There was an armed sentinel at the Pinedale School shooting.
Jason, as long as we are talking about Australia, why omit that the nation has seen no mass shootings in two decades?
Beyond some forced law, that nation saw the horror and disgrace of mass shootings. In the face of such a national tragedy, they said no more. What has the US done in the repeated – REPEATED – wake of national tragedy: had the ruling party say that the very topic cannot be spoken; had national lobbies push an agenda of GREATER sales.
I don’t think the gun issue is that hard to solve, actually. People do have to vote people in who have the courage to address it. It isn’t going to be all one way, and it’s reasonable that rural areas have a different set of rules than urban areas.
There is a lot of agreement on certain things: better, and complete background checks, no one with a history of domestic violence or mental illness getting a weapon. Now, there are, probably, some definitional issues that might get dicey. I think you can regulate the people killing guns, some ammo and magazine size, bump stocks. I don’t care if people shoot them off at ranges, but I think that most people think these weapons should be stored at gun clubs and not be allowed in society. Sure, some folks will find a way to beat that system, but most won’t.
I would license gun owners. That probably won’t fly, but it makes sense to me. It’s part of having a “well-regulated militia.” I’m not paranoid about our government, though Trump and his Russian friends have pointed out why we may need a 2nd Amendment if Trump succeeds in gutting the rule of law and checks and balances. We’re a long way from that, and Gun owners should have adequate training that they can shoot the gun with reasonable accuracy and take care of it properly, including safe storage.
I think people committing a crime with a gun should get life in prison, period. That means anyone who carries a gun when they are not allowed to (eg., criminals) go to prison for life. If you love your gun more than your freedom, then you get to prove it.
When the West was becoming civilized, as opposed to when the whites were stealing the land from the rightful owners, growing cities and towns made people store their guns at home. There was a steep drop in gun deaths after that. I think our forebears, as opposed to our current bears, had some great insight into how to keep everyone safe and sound.
Thoughts and prayers? bullpuckey. http://theatheistpig.tumblr.com/post/171050888472/youre-banned
NRA/Russia has the money to keep NOem afloat. Russia has attacked us, where is this militia Nelson wants to field? https://www.snopes.com/2018/02/16/did-kremlin-give-money-to-nra/
Jason,
How about an ad showing the toddler in SD who was blown away this week by an irresponsible gun owner? Blood, guts and all…. Would you support the responsible storage of guns or risk losing them for life including a possible jail term? We need to demand accountability when people show they are not responsible enough to own weapons. What are we up to with the Russia investigation….17 indictments and 4 guilty pleas? Sounds to me like some Americans were conspiring against the US and they should be held accountable. Where is Trump at with implementing those Russian sanctions that passed overwhelmingly and were bipartisan? I just can’t wait until Ivanka is indicted for money laundering. Trump will get his indictment when he leaves office because I don’t see the DOJ indicting a sitting president. Either way, Mueller has a team of some of the brightest people in the country and they don’t leave private practice to help him out unless he has some pretty damning info.
I see a lot of whining from you Jason. How about a solution! Or maybe “thoughts and prayers” are enough.
Oh and nobody wants to take all the guns away. Just the ones used to kill multiple people very fast and there is no other need for
Jason, It appears that you take a leap of faith in your assessment of Australia’s gun laws. Australia did not ban all guns in private ownership but they did place restrictions on types of legal firearms and tightened laws. The government also bought back the guns no longer allowed for private ownership. I do not find any creditable source on how many guns were never turned in and the owners being criminals. The one million imported guns if true, is a deflection statement. Private ownership of guns is still legal plus the population has increased so there is a probably a demand.
I guess you don’t have time to do research or are a troll.
Here is a recent Fact Check.org article.
https://www.factcheck.org/2017/10/gun-control-australia-updated/
Imagine 3500 students rushing out of a live fire school into the waiting and armed arms of LEOS with no one knowing how many shooters there are. Now let’s add in a couple hundred armed teachers with no idea where the shooter is and the cops not knowing if the armed teachers are shooters or just teachers. Is it possible to make a confusing scenario even more confusing for all involved? Let’s arm the kids as well.
Rust Limpaw thinks the kids need to be armed.
One nice gesture from Florida- a military school accepted one student posthumously so that student can be buried with full military honors.
I assume, because I don’t have all details, the student may have been interested in a military career or maybe a Jr ROTC member.
I would chime in on Jason’s ridiculous “they want to take your guns” b.s., but I won’t. Many people here are challenging him with facts – which are really tough for Jason.
Kristi N always has to check the “see, I’m pro gun” box. Always. Jackley jumped in there last week posting a picture of him holding a long gun. If I remember correctly, a day or two after the Las Vegas massacre, Ms Noem posted a video of her and the kids skeet shooting – which is all cute and nice, but she used a “second amendment” hashtag with the video. What the hell? Right after Vegas? AND skeet shooting has nothing to do with the Second Amendment.
And now today — taking a page out of the Trumpistan playbook — Ms Noem is deciding to poke a stick in the culture war of anti-NRA-ism. With the news that Dallas is announcing they don’t want the NRA convention in that city – Ms Noem feels the pressing need to announce that the NRA is welcome in South Dakota, by gosh!! Good girl, Kristi. Good girl. NRA proud. Good girl. Go get your check, go get it girl.
While doing that, yet not uttering one word about how she would stop the next mass shooting. Not one word! Anything but! I guess Jason falls in that line too. Makes up stuff like “they will take your guns”, yet, never offers a solution.
How’s this for compassionate conservatism- https://www.rawstory.com/2018/02/florida-gop-staffer-accuses-parkland-students-crisis-actors-travel-shootings/
Students aren’t students, they are crisis actors that travel from one tragedy to another.
I don’t quite understand what was wrong with Kristi Noem kicking off her campaign at Kones Korner. She lives close to it and it is a center for many people in that area. Vic Carter runs a clean honorable business and is an outstanding person. His father and him have spent their whole lives supplying sportsmen. I am sure they have never focused on selling assault rifles.. I think Kristi should be commended for having it there. She went back home to kickoff her campaign with the local people. The Castlewood area is made up of fine people not a bunch of gunslingers.
Why are we so afraid? Canadians seem pretty much not afraid of anything. Australians, they seem like they are pretty much in control of themselves. Europe, pretty calm as well. All of these places have gun laws. You can still hunt and own guns, but seriously, who can afford to hunt these days. A west river deer can set you back $2,500.00 on private land. Game birds, a hunt? Who’s kidding who here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=117&v=TVCR0xti5EA This is all about access, ask Dick Cheney or Thune or any number of the well connected that decide how to slice and dice your pockets.
Here is the deal, rich guys, keep your guns, your luxury hunting and your secret meetings. All we want is for you to protect us from the mental issues, the domestic violence that comes from being able to purchase guns at the grocery store (Walmart, here is looking at you). Get sensible gun laws that all can live with and let’s move on. Demand that from our politicians, you know, the ones you pay so they can play with you while having that prime rib.
Oh, and stop the Russians from using the gun platform to continue their attack on our soil. Tell the NRA to just say NO.
President Trump, facing pressure on gun control, said he ordered regulations to ban “bump stocks,” which make semi-automatic guns more lethal
Tuesday, February 20, 2018 4:54 PM EST
Speaking at the White House days after a mass shooting at a Florida high school that killed 14 students and three teachers, Mr. Trump said that he had directed Attorney General Jeff Sessions to develop the regulations, saying that the step would help prevent future mass shootings.
Who knew? Maybe there might some positive actions coming out of a White House that is in dire need of changing the news cycle from Russian attacks to gun control. Damn man, amazing.
The proposed bump stock legislation is nothing more than a Band-Aid approach to a open wound. Trump offered this as appeasement since he is scheduled to meet with the Pinedale School survivors tomorrow.
The question is, will the NRA approve of Trump’s proposed legislation and will the republican congress pass it, since they have been sitting on this legislation since the Las Vegas massacre.
Today the FBI is investigating the NRA for money laundering Russian money going into the campaigns of Trump and other GOP members. Seriously, where does the NRA get $32 Million to donate to Trump?
Greg, Noem is sending strong signals that she’s ready to rebuff the youth movement for sensible gun legislation. The idea of holding a campaign event (branded as the formal launch, even though she’s been campaigning for 15 months) in a gun shop less than a week after the latest mass shooting is no accident. Nor is the press release she issued today inviting the NRA to hold its events in South Dakota. At a moment when there is strong NRA backlash, she’s deliberately reassuring her base that she won’t give in to any anti-gun foolishness, no matter how passionate, injured, or right the advocates.
Does anyone know how much NRA money Noem has received over the years and is any of it within the time frame of the Russians funneling money to the NRA
Bump stock regs? Given the current firing power of semi-autos, it seems odd that full autos are illegal. Folks more knowledgeable than I tell me that an AR-15 on semi-auto can shoot nearly as quickly as a full auto with better accuracy. If our nation wants AR-15 ownership to be ubiquitous in America, then why not make fully autos (aka machine guns) just as easily available to the public?
And if this deems like a stupid and dangerous idea, then can someone provide a rational explanation for distinguishing current semis with full autos? Why are semi-autos still so dang easy to acquire if they are nearly just as dangerous as full autos?
I know trump is just bs’ing. bcb, the answer to your last question is simple, money! These guns are easy to stamp out and highly profitable. https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2017-11-07/how-the-ar-15-assault-rifle-became-one-of-the-most-popular-guns-in-america
Dallas, Texas today, asked the NRA to consider going someplace else for their convention, so that is probably why NOem is inviting them to South Dakota which could be good for business here. Bottom line is that these guns make money and if they do not make enough money, there is always the Russians to make up the difference to make sure that politicians get their share of the money bomb.
Something else, when Jackley picked up the gun at that rally thingy, he played directly into NOem’s wheelhouse. Jackley showed that he is no more law and order than trump and the Russians with that display of stupid. Ya gotta differentiate yourself dude. If you are the same, the voters are gonna choose the one they read about in the weekly papers and that ain’t you.
http://www.keloland.com/news/article/preview/nra-member-gop-operative-may-have-connections-to-kremlin
Whatever happened to this investigation?
Roger C, Noem got around 7 grand, Rounds got 4 grand and Marlboro Barbie got nearly 50 grand from NRA. I am looking for updated stats.
South Dakota Sen. John Thune (R)
$44,155
(202) 224-2321
This is supposed to be lifetime donations. MB is the number 6 wingnut recipient in either house or senate.
Update on earlier post about military school signing up a cadet posthumously. That school is West Point. Even I have heard of it. I am out of here for today.
Jason, you fake news prophet. Australia banned automatic and semi-automatic weapons. They did not rearm.
If you really need your guns to put down government tyranny – just what government tyranny have you put down in the past 40 years? Perhaps a president colluding with the Russians? Another, more treasonous example?
It’s a sad day for the NRA when and if the NRA must slink away their national convention to a backwater like South Dakota and call it a victory.
The U.S. Army today awarded Heroism Medals to three of the victims of the Florida shooting. Not a one of them claimed to have bone spurs, they were prepared to serve.
This youth movement is unlike anything I’ve seen since the 1960’s Flower Children that also demanded change and the right to vote.
Today they were eloquently and forcefully fighting back against the Trump machine that claimed they were being used by the left.
Jason claims (and increasingly we’re seeing those two words create a synonym for, “It’s B.S.”) that it is easier to kill lots of people with a gun than with a bomb. Yet these young killers usually use guns instead of bombs. Why is that?
My speculation: the ammosexual culture doesn’t prime young insecure males to get off on explosions as much as on pointing phallic symbols, pulling the trigger, and shooting one’s load over and over again.
Cory, you can dust your hands off and walk away after your last comment.
BOOM!
Cory.
Are you saying my statement is false?
Yes or no will do.
My statement has nothing to do with what some evil person does or chooses.
You brought up my intelligence in the other post. You are going to lose. You already lost in the tax cut article you posted.
I am guessing you have noticed I try to deal with facts on your website. Most of your posters post with emotions that lack facts and reality.
Andy Borowitz suggested that males turn in their weapons for a promise of penis enhancement surgery.
Ok.
Let’s hear how you people will stop mass murder?
BTW O, You can google and find that Australia has had mass murder after the failed gun confiscation.
“you can kill more people with a bomb than a gun and it is easier to ‘legally make a bomb’ than legally buy a gun – Jason.
Is this one of your facts, Jason? Making a bomb is illegal, possessing the components to make a bomb is also illegal.
Jason,
Read W R Old Guy at 16:04 to answer your questions about Australia.
Roger,
It’s illegal to shoot humans in America.
Can you tell me how many people were shot in Chicago in 2017?
wr old guy.
Give us a link that says what percentage of guns were turned in under the gun confiscation law in Australia?
Cory,
Is the Democrat party for gun confiscation in the USA?
Is sure sounds like you are.
I forgot to mention Cory, those “critters” are good to eat.
Do you eat deer meat Cory?
I’m quite aware of the laws that make it illegal to shoot people.
I’ll answer your question when you answer the question I asked you twice on this thread, how do “legally make a bomb”, explain this fact of yours.
I don’t know how many people were killed in Chicago, my concern is and will be the senseless shooting of kids at schools.
The Democratic Party has never even suggested such a thing as gun confiscation.
Jason,
Your party has decided that the gun lobby is a special interest group that they will protect beyond all reason and rationale thought. No reasonable restriction is to be tolerated and the made-up rallying cries of “they are coming for our guns” carry the day for your side.
But the next generation of citizens that are coming of political age will not tolerate your cuddly relationship with the NRA and the dirty money machine that buys politicians to protect the gun industry’s profits. It is readily apparent that kids are needlessly killed almost daily in this country facilitated by the easy access and availability of assault weapons. The NRA has sought to normalize the presence of military assault weapons as a part of society. Thankfully, more and more people are rejecting this position as anathema to modern civilized society. Young adults are on the front lines of this new political fight. You and the NRA may have won many of the battles, but the war for the future of this country is being lost by the NRA. Young adults across this country see no common sense in our gun laws and they are becoming politically enlightened to the NRA’s role in favoring gun industry profits over the lives of children. With each tragic mass killing and the failure of our politicians to do one solitary thing to reduce their incidence, the seeds of change are planted in our collective conscience and a new generation of Americans will not stand idly by while the gun industry rules over us and profits off the killings of innocents.
MIke,
You do know collusion is not against the law right?
I’m guessing you don’t. You don’t deal in facts.
I
I will answer your question Roger.
Criminals and people with mental problems don’t follow the law.
For you to ask that question sums up the Democrat party.
Darin,
Do you know that handguns are semi-auto?
Do you know that they can kill as fast as semi-auto rifles?
I will be blunt. I think you are VERY ignorant.
Jason,
Why can’t you answer a single damn question, you sit on your little throne an spout nonsense with little, if any documentation or support.
No, collusion isn’t against the law, but conspiracy is, as well as treason, obstruction of justice, lying to the FBI, and money laundering, to name a few of the charges and indictments coming out of Mueller’s investigation.
You accuse mfi of not dealing in facts when in fact you don’t know what a fact is.
Read Darin’s comment above, there is change coming, young people are seriously going after each and every politician, republican or Democrat, that takes NRA dark money.
If the FBI is right about Putin funneling money to the NRA and donating it to Trump, the NRA will be finished.
This invite is to everyone. I will debate with you on air anything you want to debate.
Leslie called me out and wouldn’t respond to me when I accepted her invitation.
I see a lot of opinions and feelings on here but no facts,
Jason,
You continue to evade and distract, tell me where you can “legally make a bomb”?
Roger,
Do you think Russians made people vote for Trump?
LOL
Do you know how much unions spent on politics in the election? It’s in the billions.
So don’t preach to me about money.
As you can see, you are losing to me on the facts.
Debate on the air, hell you can’t even debate successfully on Cory’s blog.
You are as bad as Trump continually thinking that the Mueller investigation is complete, when it is not and to continue to talk about facts when you have presented none. Just because you think something, doesn’t make it true.
Roger,
Can you tell me where criminals follow the law?
You are an idiot. You should feel dumb for even asking that question.
Tell me Jason, where can you “legally make a bomb”? That was a dumb and stupid comment that you can’t support so you therefore can’t answer it.
Roger,
Thank you for making dems look bad.
I have home work for you Roger. Please google interglacial temperatures and get back to me.
Cory,
When are you going to post an article about the old illegal aliens are mad at the younger illegal aliens living in the US?
I’m not losing to you on facts, you haven’t presented any facts, there you go you won something when there is nothing to win.
I’m aware that with your limited thinking you think Russians made Americans vote for Trump, that is not the legal argument being made, not even close.
Unions have throughout history poured money into elections, the difference being that unions are American organizations, where Putin and his Dark NRA Money are not American.
Jason, I do not accept homework assignments from anyone, especially imbeciles that seem to think they have some level intelligence.
Jason, your comment at 23:52 reads like that illiterate president of yours wrote it.
Roger,
I hate to be mean, but you are dumb.
Collusion is not illegal. Having a home server as Sec State is when there is classified info being transmitted through it.
I can cite you the code that Hillary violated if you want?
As to the gun discussion, no one in this thread has contradicted my facts.
Roger,
What percentage of Australians turned in their guns during the confiscation?
Roger,
I’m not the smartest person in the world, but I can assure you that I am smarter than you.
I have already proved that in this thread.
I don’t like calling people dumb or ignorant, but when you call me that I will call you out and like I said, I have already proven it.
The only thing you have proven on this thread is your unrelenting ignorance and attempts to distract and make this thread about you.
You don’t even bother to read and comprehend what you read, do you. I agreed that collusion isn’t against the law, scroll up and see where I said that. There are plenty of laws that Trump has broken, I mentioned those too.
There you go with the irrelevant Hillary server claim, do you realize that Trump, at this very hour, is using an unsecure IPhone and has a private server available to him.
Again, you have presented no facts on the gun debate on this thread, what is that? Do you think that if you repeat enough times it will be true. That’s a damn fairy tale, buddy.
Trump hasn’t broken one law.
You didn’t answer my question Roger.
When do criminals follow the law?
Do you have common sense Roger?
If you do,
you will agree that only law abiding citizens follow the law.
It’s just common sense Roger.
“Andy Borowitz suggested that males turn in their weapons for a promise of penis enhancement surgery.”
Thanks for that quote Roger. It’s hilarious and about the most reasonable thing we can expect ammosexuals to respond to. Lots of hot air and obsfucation are attempts to hide massive fear and insecurity. Real (silly) men talk tough and carry a big gun. Compensation, just like a big pick up. Oh well.
Good work Roger and Mikey. Don’t hurt ’em.
1.”Trump hasn’t broken one law.” Yes, he has, Obstruction of Justice, money laundering for starters.
2. “When do criminals follow the law?” Criminals always follow the law, that is how they know when they have broken them.
3.”Do you have common sense Roger?” I can attest to Roger’s common sense by the way in which he answers questions from someone who clearly does not.
4. “you will agree that only law abiding citizens follow the law.” Everyone can agree on that..until they do not. The jails are full of law abiding citizens who have followed the law up until the time they did not.
Now Jason, why do you not trust the law? Why do feel frightened enough to think you need a gun for protection? Do you pay taxes? If so, and you are so frightened by your surroundings, why don’t you have the courage to speak to law enforcement so they can comfort you by telling you they have your back and are doing what they are paid for professionally.
I’m doing some planning for a trip that will include a few days in Paris. It made me wonder if when Marie Antoinette said let them eat cake she was feeling as full of herself as when our congresswomen announced her run for governor in a gun shop yesterday… — maybe it wasn’t as bad as the guy running for congress in KS, I think, who is raffling off an AR-15….celebrating our gun culture when the bodies in FL aren’t even all buried yet….what in the world is wrong with these people… – I so wish the guillotine was still available and the revolution would come quickly….. I read the other day that 2 or 3000 people lost their heads when the French got fed up.
Jason —
With your thought process — it appears to me you are advocating to wipe all laws off the books! I mean, heck, we have laws against stealing — people still steal. We have laws against people robbing a bank. People still rob banks. Why have any laws at all? People will still break laws. No more laws!!!
This is simple math. And no one is saying to take everyone’s guns away. Common sense gun safety laws work. Just ask those other countries. No, it won’t totally eliminate gun violence, but it will significantly reduce needless death. Why are people against doing this? Doing nothing has resulted in??? INCREASED GUN VIOLENCE.
Australia didn’t take guns, they bought them back from citizens. Certain guns were banned and private ownership dropped from 7% to 5 %.
Australia bought back just under 650,000 guns and tightened up licensing rules. They never attempted to take every gun from everyone. The main thing is there have been no more mass killing sprees by gunmen since the new rules took affect.
Whatever Jason sez is pure, 100% vitamin enriched bulloney.
Mike,
A person who possesses or uses a firearm must have a firearm licence. Licence holders must demonstrate a “genuine reason” for holding a firearm licence[1] and must not be a “prohibited person”. All firearms in Australia must be registered by serial number to the owner, who also holds a firearms license.
What percentage of Australians that have a gun are licensed?
I stated a fact that many Australians illegally have guns right now and yet they aren’t out killing people.
There have been mass murders in Australia since Port Arthur. That is another fact.
Do you want to know any more facts Mike?
Dana,
Where did I say to wipe all laws off the books?
Please explain in detail how common sense gun safety works?
According to the FBI’s data, the national rate of violent crime has decreased 49 percent since its apex in 1991.
There are some very uneducated people that post on this site.
Jerry,
How did Trump obstruct Justice?
How did Trump launder money since he has been President?
Be specific in your answers.
Jerry,
Have you asked your local police why they always show up after the violence has already been completed?
People just need to realize that the ammosexuals do not care about children and babies being slaughtered in America’s schools . They DO NOT CARE. They are more worried about the genitals of students than the senseless killing of our children. They don’t care about the rights of children to be safe. Sadly, things will not change. Money is more important to politicians and the NRA than saving children.
The killing will never stop.
1. Ask Bobby Three Sticks and see where his investigation is going. In short, turn off fox news and read all about it. You will note that there will be no more tweets from trump regarding Russian interference in our election. But you will also note that there are no sanctions against Russia for that involvement. That is obstruction of justice as well as a disregard of Congress demands.
2. Very clever Jason on how he has laundered money “since” he has been president. That again will be up to Mr. Mueller to show. We already know of the sales of Florida property at inflated prices to Russian buyers.
3. Yes, the police show up after the gun carnage to investigate what happened and how it happened, they want to be sure that this was not an act of self defense disguised as a murder. I tell you what Jason, I was at the Stock Show in Rapid City watching the sheep dog trials when the Rapid City Police showed up with their K-9 unit. Very impressive on how they work to take down criminals in non lethal ways. I support the police departments state wide for the work they do under sometimes very difficult situations. When those police do show up, after the fact, I would not want them to mistake me for an armed threat, I would rather they did their jobs professionally. But hey, that is me, Mr. Law and Order that believes in the justice system rather than vigilante anarchy. Next time you get in a crossfire, call the NRA to come save your tired arse.
Jenny,
I care more about children and babies, born and unborn than you do since I want armed people at schools to defend my children since I am not there.
I also don’t want teenage boys in my daughters locker room.
So the fear tactics of the NRA will continue and Presidents and politicians will continue to be bought. Paranoid gun owners will continue to buy guns at high rates fearing that the 2nd Amendment will be taken away. Such a ruthless rotten country the US has become.
For the record I’m as liberal as they come but I support the 2nd Amendment. I also support the rights of OUR KIDS BEING SAFE IN OUR SCHOOLS!!!
Jerry,
I don’t watch TV news.
You have no idea what obstruction of justice is do you? Not having sanctions is not obstruction of Justice.
The facts are Trump has broken no laws. Hillary did break the law. That is a stone cold fact.
What are you talking about Jenny?
According to the FBI’s data, the national rate of violent crime has decreased 49 percent since its apex in 1991.
Try sticking to facts in your posts Jenny.
Want to know another fact Jenny?
Gun violence is more of a problem with a certain skin color.
Are you going to call me racist for pointing out that fact?
Jerry,
Can you call the FBI and ask why they didn’t follow up on the reports on the Florida kid and get back to me on what they said?
Mass shootings have increased in the last decade, Jason.
Why do you want to bring up skin color? Is that really important to you?
I don’t see black guys shooting up innocent children in schools.
I bet you ran out and bought more guns since Parkland, Jason. Business has never been better for the NRA when they have paranoid guys like you. The NRA just loves people like you for bringing in billions.
So Jason. What would you propose to end school shootings?
Jenny,
Mass shootings have increased in gun free zones. That is a fact.
I brought up facts. Why do you ask why I bring up facts?
Owen,
1. Armed adults at school.
2. Metal detectors.
3. Locked doors. They have this at our school now.
Come on Jason, parents and students don’t want guns in schools. You really want a country where our schools have to be armed? How sad.
Of course the answer to gun lovers is always more guns. Ammosexuality is a very real disorder. Ammos fantasize about being the Hollywood hero and saving innocent bystanders in a mass shooting. Well, I hear about shootings everyday in our wonderful country but never hear about the ammo saving the innocent bystander and living happily ever after. More like I hear about the child of a gun lover getting killed because the idiot didn’t lock up his guns.
Own this problem NRA and gun owners, OWN IT. Sensible gun control advocates like me would never have let this issue get so out of hand in our country. OWN IT!!!!
Jenny,
Can you link me to evidence that parents and students don’t want armed adults in the school?
Jenny,
The problem is not guns. It is evil people and people with mental health issues.
I’m guessing you will not be able to give me a link to my earlier question.
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The far majority of Americans want stricter background checks. Because of the NRA and it’s bought politicians, we can’t even have that.
I hope you are happy, Jason, with all the bloodshed that has happened b/c of the NRA and your fear of the 2nd Amendment being taken away. I’m just sad that more innocent bystanders continue be killed everyday in our country and the powers that be don’t care.
Jenny,
Where is the link?
You obviously don’t care about children if you come on this message board and lie about Americans not wanting armed adults in schools.
The US does not have a higher rate of mental illness than other countries in the world. It is the easy availability of powerful machine weapons that people like you and the NRA want readily sold on the open market. Don’t blame this wholly on the mentally ill. That’s a cop out.
“Gun violence is more of a problem with a certain skin color.
Are you going to call me racist for pointing out that fact?”
I will. You have no proof that skin color plays a role in gun violence. I would bet it has more to do with education levels, income levels, and family structure. Again, that stretches across all races. Causation does not imply correlation. You are basically saying that a persons race alone is indicative of whether or not they will perform gun violence. As MLK said, we must judge people by the content of their character and not the color of their skin.
Also, mass shootings in Australia have been non-existent since the port arthur incident.
Show me a mass shooter who was a criminal prior to performing the mass shooting. These were law abiding citizens up until the point of committing their acts.
And as someone with hazmat certifications, ammonium nitrate is high on the list of volatile chemicals due to prevalent nature of it being used in ag, especially in SD. After the Oklahoma City bombing, federal restrictions have made it extremely hard for someone to buy mass quantities of such chemicals. In fact, can you show me the bombings that have happened since regulating such chemicals? If regulations do not work, why aren’t we seeing this happen at the same rate?
Also, why don’t we see more full auto crimes since we enacted strict regulation after the gang shootings in the early 20th century?
As a gun owner, and supporter of the 2nd amendment, there are things we can do that will not infringe on people’s rights but can help slow and reduce the carnage that we see today. IF you want to discuss those, I will provide examples for any questions and I will debate you on such things because I am very knowledgeable on the topic. Much more than many of the commenters here.
1. Armed adults at school.
2. Metal detectors.
3. Locked doors. They have this at our school now.
Jason you’re describing a prison. I don’t want my grandkids going to school that’s basically a prison. Who will pay for this? Are you willing to pay higher taxes to cover this?
We have locked doors at our school as well.
Should teachers be armed and if so you will pay for the guns and the training?
Jenny,
Drop the ammosexual name calling. It doesn’t help the conversation. You are simply growing the divide when you try to insult people back handily. It’s no different than the other side calling you a snowflake. It simply isn’t needed.
The first thing we have to do is ban weapons like the AR-15. It was made for war not the general public.
You forgot one thing Owen, liability. Who is going to take that liability on and who is going to pay for it. We are a litigious society and this opens the door to many things.
I agree Daniel. Good point.
What could the FBI do in Florida with the gunman? He was legal under Florida law and still is as shown by the vote yesterday there.
trump fired Comey. That is obstruction of justice, add that to the many charges.
Daniel,
I didn’t state reasons for the fact. I just stated a fact. You’re an idiot if you think I’m racist for stating a fact.
I disagree completely, Owen. We shouldn’t consider bans based on the appearance of a rifle which is exactly why AR-15’s get singled out. WE have to look at capabilities. A mini 14 would not be banned under an AR ban but it can accomplish the same thing. We need to look at magazine capacities first and even detachable magazines. If you have to load a magazine 1 by 1 and can’t do so until the weapon has been emptied, you increase load times dramatically. Swapping out a mag is easy, but having to fire your currently loaded magazine before refilling it because it is not detachable is another option that doesn’t restrict rights but does restrict rate of fire.
Owen,
Would you rather have people use bombs instead of guns?
“I didn’t state reasons for the fact. I just stated a fact. You’re an idiot if you think I’m racist for stating a fact.”
“Gun violence is more of a problem with a certain skin color.”
You didn’t state a fact. You provided a correlation to skin color which has not been proven on skin color alone. By not stating the real factors, you are disregarding that they play a role. Mass shootings are committed more often by white males, but being white is not the contributing factor nor is there any proof of such. There are always much bigger factors at play and you are not acknowledging those by attributing everything to race alone.
“Would you rather have people use bombs instead of guns?”
Deflection. There is a reason why people don’t use bombs more often…..and it comes down to availability of the components and the knowledge needed to follow through. Any moron can find a gun and shoot it. Making bombs takes a lot of skill and planning. Most of these are not planned out, but more impulse driven.
Next….
Daniel,
Prove my statement wrong.
Of course the reason is not the skin color.
The AR-15 is the choice of weapons in most of the last mass shootings. Again, this gun was made for war. I agree that the magazine capacities need to be looked at as well. Why does anybody need a AR-15? Banning them doesn’t end your 2nd amendment rights.
Jason, you answered none of my questions. Try it
Daniel,
Are you saying people would not use bombs if every gun disappeared from the USA?
If someone wants kill a lot of people they will.
You can’t stop it.
“Of course the reason is not the skin color.”
Then, why make the statement if you are not willing to make such a connection? Without acknowledging the real factors, you are implying that they don’t play a role. A much better way of putting it would be that people of a certain color do have a higher rate of gun violence but the contributing factors are….and then list.
“Are you saying people would not use bombs if every gun disappeared from the USA?”
No one is suggesting guns disappear. I would agree that other options would become more prevalent, but I would argue that the events themselves would still decrease due to the increase in hurdles. Have bombings increased in Australia or other countries that have tightened gun restrictions? I do believe knife attacks have increased in such areas, but the death counts are reduced dramatically.
“The AR-15 is the choice of weapons in most of the last mass shootings. Again, this gun was made for war.”
So was the mini 14. I believe the common factor is mag capacity and rate of fire, not the looks of a weapon. That is the difference between most semi-auto 30.06’s and a semi auto AR-15’s. 30.06 will have a mag capacity of about 5 rounds and isn’t always detachable so you can’t have 15 mags loaded and ready to go. Some hunting rifles do have detachable mags but they are generally a lot harder to pop in and out, unlike some other semi auto rifles such as an AR 15.
I made the statement because Jenny doesn’t know anything about what she is talking about.
As for black gun violence, there are many reasons, but it all starts at home.
Don’t forget about mass arson deaths.
“As for black gun violence, there are many reasons, but it all starts at home.”
I agree, but making statements like you did and purposely leaving those contributing factors out is making your statement out to be racist. These problems exist in all races and it is because of those factors, not skin color.
“Don’t forget about mass arson deaths.”
Very possible but highly unlikely. Building codes for new structures that harbor a large number of individuals will decrease this likelihood dramatically. Most structures with active sprinkler systems will basically make this a non-issue. Dubai has proven that with how their buildings go up with relative very little harm to life. If only they didn’t allow such cheap combustible materials on their exteriors would we see less of it, but again, those materials are not allowed where the risk to life is higher because burning the exterior of a building is a much smaller issue if you can guarantee the fire will never make it’s way inside.
Skin color. The majority, if not all, of the massacres at our schools have been young white men. That is a fact.
If parents demand that teachers be armed those teachers need to be trained as cops and paid cop wages in addition to their teaching salaries.
Jason is all over the map on this discussion spouting opinions he thinks are facts and demanding links from others and not providing his own.
Dana P is right, we may never be able to stop gun violence especially gun violence in our schools, but isn’t it prudent to work to provide some realistic safety nets?
Jason struggles to understand our laws as is evident in his comments, I make this statement because he has failed multiple times to explain his comment, “legally made bombs”.
So now you’re blaming your idiot statements on me, Jason? Just own your stupid idiotic statement Jason. Just like blaming the gun problem all on mental illness.
I never hear either of you mention the NRA and the ridiculous power they have. 30 million dollars given to Trump by the NRA. The NRA and the money hungry politicians that will grab their money are more to blame than mentally ill people.
Notice that Jason didn’t answer my questions.
Owen
Jason doesn’t have answers, he only has an irrational thought process.
“Skin color. The majority, if not all, of the massacres at our schools have been young white men. That is a fact.”
That is racist. Being white is not the determining factor. White people do not have some preordained ability to commit such an atrocity just because they are born white. You are doing the same thing Jason was doing by not acknowledging the real factors at play.
Daniel,
I disagree and I’m not doing the same thing as Jason, I’m merely responding to his comment about ‘skin color’.
It is not racist to point out the fact that the majority, if not all, school shooters are white.
Additionally, how many of these school shooters have been linked to right wing racist organizations such as the KKK or neo-Nazi’s that extend the white privilege mantra?
It is when you don’t point out the real factors. I would argue it is more about privilege and entitlement, not being white. It just so happens that white people fall into that category more often. When you leave those things out, your comments become racist.
No one law will prevent gun violence. Nope, one law won’t, but it is a necessary first step. Ban all assault rifles and all associated clips, except for the military – not phony militia groups.
Owen,
AR-15’s are used for hunting.
Mike,
All guns, hands, forks, knives, and spoons are assault weapons.
Banning an AR-15 will not save one life. That’s a fact.
Banning an AR-15 will not save one life. That’s a fact.
BS! Every banned AR is one less to kill mass amounts of people with.
Like the death penalty doesn’t stop capital murders but it does stop that one murderer from every murdering again. Hunters got along swimmingly w/o AR’s and their ilk. You’re probably too lazy to practice accuracy and just want that quick follow-up shot or thirty.
Jason, keep your pea shooter for hunting and for your protection while you wet your pants when the sun goes down. Your mom would never allow you to have one, so now you just fantasize.
“Banning an AR-15 will not save one life. That’s a fact.”
I’ll have to disagree with you on that Jason.
But would you pay higher taxes for guns and training of teachers to use guns? To install metal detectors?
Daniel,
You bring a new element to the discussion on race that I have never heard of, are you suggesting that all people, regardless of race, have a sense of entitlement and privilege? If that is true, we wouldn’t have daily acts of racism, entitlement, and privilege, would we?
I stand by the fact that the majority of school shooters are white, there is no denying that.
As usual, Jason and other pseudo-gun rights profits take us all down the same old incoherent rocky road to now where……… False equivalents, fact groping and allegations of ignorance all wrapped up into an appeal to authority none of them have………..
The patent diversionary tactics of some political hacks proves once again that all the regurgitated NRA talking points are as worthless as a screen door in a submarine…….. But…….
The theme of Cory’s blog post has been hideously avoided……… I’ve been to Kone’s Korner and I’ve even bought a gun or two there……….. I’ve never bought an AR and never will but that is also beside the point; other than to say that in my 60+ years of gun ownership, use, gunsmithing, military armament repair, marksmanship training and Firearm/Hunter Education Instruction, there is no room or purpose in the civilian ownership of military combat weapons. And don’t start making the dubious comparison between AR’s, AK’s, FN’s or H&K’s with guns like the Ruger Ranch hand that has all but fallen off the production line because it can’t compete with the cheap plastics of the AR’s and Clones. As a practicing amateur gunsmith I’ll remind everybody here that a gun is a tool…… Tools are designed and manufactured for specific purposes. The Armalite Rifle was designed, redesigned and remanufactured beginning in the 1950’s in response to the US Military’s call for a new primary field combat weapon to replace the venerable M-14 that was heavy, difficult to maneuver with, and the ammunition was also heavy as well as bulky. The terms AR-15 and M16 were used interchangeably during the rifles development and eventual adoption in 1967, the year I began training for Viet Nam. The purpose of the gun both then and now is a combat weapon. Makes no difference if the civilian version doesn’t have a rock and roll switch or not. The design, component parts, and intent are nearly identical to the first M-16 that began to show up in army and marine infantry units in Viet Nam. And the civilian AR can be converted to full auto with the change of one seer part or of course by a bump stock. Its a combat weapon. Saying it is no different than other semi-auto firearms like the Browning BAR is a limp, destractive argument. The operating systems are different.
The present day M-16A1 can accept the AR clones upper or lower receiver group and the barrels still have the same thread style that mount to the upper receiver. The gun was not available to the civilian population initially. The Ruger Ranch Hand can’t be compared to the AR’s because it was designed and manufactured for an entirely different purpose, does not have the same cyclic rate of fire, and does not have the same ammunition capacity or magazine design and can’t be modified by swaping out parts. And while we’re at it, I haven’t seen any data to show that criminals and other head cases have used the Ruger Ranch Hand in the commission of mass murder.
The basic premise to this blog post however is that Noem holds herself out to be something she’s not and she just politicizes any honest interpretation of the rule of law or the outdoor culture of South Dakota for no other reason than political advantage…… What she knows about guns, the outdoor hunting heritage, wildlife management, or the history of the 2nd Amendment one can put on the head of a pin. She is an embarrassment and insult to those of us that have been hunting, shooting, and indulging in the outdoor heritage in South Dakota which began to develop in the years immediately prior to my birth. All she does is take suggestions from her donors and party elders and throw them out there like crap on the barn wall hoping th tionalizing their inept fixes for pheasant hunting in SD. Neither she nor Jackley have any interest in doing what is right and necessary for wildlife and the hunting heritage in SD. They’re just pandering to the business community who have been shedding crocodile tears because the non-resident pheasant hunter is no longer coming to SD and spreading cheer and cash register jingle. Noem even believes we aught to be re-stocking pheasants. A practice that has been proven time and again to be a big time waste of money. It takes a wild hen pheasant to teach a pheasant how to be a pheasant. And then she goes so far as to infer that we need more private shooting preserves like she has. Absolutely no help or service to the local hunter or outdoor enthusiast that couldn’t afford the 250 per day even if he wanted too. Jackley’s plan is just as bad and neither will accomplish one thing except get one of them elected…. Single species management is a waste of money and antithetical to wildlife management principle that clearly demonstrates that management of entire systems for ecological sustainability is best for both hunters and tourism. Pheasant plans do nothing for Western SD but our money will somehow find it’s way into either a politicians or C-Store owner’s pocket…………….
The NRA doesn’t seem to have any plans to move their convention out of Dallas and yet, Noem is continuing to push for the convention to be held in
South Dakota.
The May 2018 NRA Convention is expected to draw and estimate of 80,000 members, exhibits, and demonstrations.
Can Sioux Falls, Rapid City, or Kone’s Korner realistically handle this many people? If not, Noem is doing nothing more than a two bit grandstand.
Correction: My eyes are tricking me today. My comment should read “The May 2018 NRA convention is expected to draw an estimated 80,000 members with exhibits and various demonstrations on guns”.
Thank you.
80,000 of these haters in one spot out of a total of 5 million tells me they are all bark.
don’t you guys get tired of spin-defending your use of mass produced assault weapons and your use of racism? your defense of serial groper/Russian collaborator/tax hider/bankruptcy artist Trump? you GOPs are on the wrong side of the argument.
isn’t it clear statistically that after the assault weapon ban was lifted, mass shooting have gone astronomical as well as production of assault weapons?
you guys are so good at arrogantly dissing a commentor who says “clip” rather than “high capacity magazine”. The GOP is all about messaging, empty, artful, deceitful messaging. Semantics for liars.
Putin is good at it. Poisons his adversaries too. I kno Jason, you’ll want me to prove that. I’m frankly too busy showing his usurpation of Ukraine as a symptom of authoritarianism.
All you trump/GOP trolls here waste good people of conscience’s time . Get a conscience. Come to a county Democratic Party meeting. Be like the hippies in the 60s, resist your parents’ establishment bullsheit.
The skin color discussion reminded me of a piece I read recently; it was a bit satirical, and had the thesis that we will have instant gun control movement in this country if we would ensure that people of color are publicly well armed.
I see that President Trump has come to the conclusion that the answer to too many guns is more guns. Arming teachers, modifying carry/conceal laws, and disbanding gun-free zones is the answer to the threat of school shooting. The GOP answer does seem to come around to more profits for the merchants of death.
My real hope is that this time we get to the tipping point to re-define this right. Just because it is inscribed in the Second Amendment (and expended through the Supreme Court) doesn’t mean it is immune from a shift in public perception and value. This country will be better off when we decide that unfettered gun ownership is not something we value (that NO rational society can value) – therefore we rescind that absolute right. Laws – even the Constitution – must be a reflection of the public will.
Speaking of mentally challenged spin doctors, here is trump: “President Donald Trump said Wednesday that having more people armed at schools could prevent future mass shootings.
“I think it could very well solve your problem,” he said.
After hearing the devastating stories from parents and young people affected by gun massacres at schools, Trump pointed to the example of Stoneman Douglas football coach Aaron Feis, who was reportedly killed by the alleged gunman last week after Feis threw himself in front of students to protect them from the gunfire.
“If the coach had a firearm in his locker when he ran at this guy — that coach was very brave, saved a lot of lives I suspect — but if he had a firearm, he wouldn’t have had to run, he would have shot and that would have been the end of it,” Trump said.”
There ya go, this from a man who does not drink? That dude is high on something. Hitler was much the same. Hitler said stupid crap all the time and his party looked the other way hoping that someone would change that. Took us 12 years to get’r done, but when it was done, he was done to a crisp.
Curious as to how Tapioca, Little Al, Lancelot. NOem and the rest of the bums get elected? Take a listen to this trump voter. https://www.theroot.com/patriotic-trump-supporter-finds-out-she-was-tricked-b-1823193101 This is tragically funny in many ways. Americans have given up without firing a 2nd Amendment shot. NOem and company blather about guns and for what? What are there purpose? Sure as hell not to defend America nor are they to defend themselves as shown in the interview, they would get in lock step with Putin in a heartbeat. Listen to her and then think for a minute…these are gun owners waving the white flag (pun intended). Smart bunch.
Just heard Noem, aka NRA speak, on KELO say this is a mental health and not a gun issue.
But the reporter didn’t ask her if she supported Trumps signing a bill to make it easier for mentally people to purchase a gun. That should be asked
The US does NOT have a higher rate of mental illness than the rest of the world. Geez, do some research, Kristi!
Actually, in some countries such as Japan and South Korea the rates of suicide are much higher. When was the last time Japan had a mass shooting?
It’s disingenuous of right wing politicians such as Ms Noem to blame mass shootings wholly on the mentally ill, and not very responsible of her. Shame on you, Noem. You have no right to stigmatize the mentally ill!
here’s is the link to Noem’s interview
http://www.keloland.com/news/article/politics/noem-weighs-in-on-gun-control-debate
And a few days later, Noem regurgitating the party line about gun control, which is for today at least, all “it’s about mental health, not about guns” re the Florida shooting and mass murders in general. Sickening.
Mental health or anger management????????????????? Being angry doesn’t equate to being mentally ill.
Young people protesting gun madness in Florida, and South Dakota young people joining that protest, take heed: Noem is saying quite clearly, “F— you, you little brats. Guns are great, and so are all the dollars they put in my campaign kitty!”
Besides, all Noem has is her ammosexual appeal. She sure doesn’t have policies or executive experience to bring to the Governor’s mansion.
When Hilary called Trump supporters she knew what she was talking about, the republican and Trump’s responses in the aftermath of the Florida carnage is deplorable.
All week they have been protecting the NRA and their campaign contributions while coming up with one pathetic solution after another.
Tonight’s town hall on CNN was one of the most inspirational events I have witnessed in sometime. The children and their parents did not hold back and did what they needed to do, hold politicians feet to the fire for their negligence in protecting children.
South Dakotans need to know that Noem is a part of the Trump and gun violence and not the solution. Her 2nd Amendment rhetoric in days so soon after a massacre at a school is damnable.
Cory,
Guns are great. They are the reason you live in a free Country.
Do I need to teach you about our Constitution and how we became a Country?
You do know that “well regulated” means to keep in good condition right?
I am the only one that has proposed ideas that will save school children in this thread.
No Jason, you have not. Military style weapons do not need to walk the streets of America. (hey, many of our military folks are saying the same thing. Imagine that!) Magazines capable of holding 25, 50, 75, 100+ round, do not need to be walking the streets of America.
Yes, it has been school shootings. Concerts, movie theatres, churches, etc. Gun violence in this country is an epidemic. We should treat it that way. THAT’s what will save lives.
This is for you Owen and everyone else.
I’m here because my daughter has no voice. She was murdered last week, and she was taken from us, shot nine times on the third floor. We as a country failed our children. This shouldn’t happen. We go to the airport, I can’t get on a plane with a bottle of water, but we leave some animal to walk into a school and shoot our children. It is just not right. And we need come together as a country and work on what’s important. And that is protecting our children in the schools. That’s the only thing that matters right now. Everyone has to come together and not think about different laws. We need to come together as a country, not different parties, and figure out how we protect the schools. It is simple. It is not difficult. We protect airports. We protect concerts, stadiums, embassies. The Department of Education that I walked in today that has a security guard in the elevator. How do you think that makes me feel? In the elevator they got a security guard. I’m very angry that this happened, because it keeps happening. 9/11 happened once, and they fixed everything. How many schools, how many children have to get shot? It stops here with this administration and me. I’m not going to sleep until it is fixed. And Mr. President, we’re going to fix it. Because I’m going to fix it. I’m not going to rest. And my boys need live with this. I want to see everyone — you guys look at this. Me, I’m — I’m a man, but to see your children go through this, bury their sister. That’s what I keep saying because I want to sink in. Not forget about this. We can’t forget about it. All these school shootings, it doesn’t make sense. Fix it. Should have been one school shooting and we should have fixed it. And I’m pissed. Because my daughter I’m not going to see again. She’s not here. She’s not here. She’s in North Lauderdale at … King David Cemetery. That is where I go to see my kid now. And if we all work together and come up with the right idea — school safety. It is not about gun laws. That is another fight, another battle. Let’s fix the schools and then you guys can battle it out whatever you want. But we need our children safe. Monday, tomorrow, whatever day it is, your kids are going to go to school. You think everyone’s kids are safe? I didn’t think it was going to happen to me. If I knew that, I would have been at the school every day if I knew it was that dangerous. It’s enough. Let’s get together, work with the president and fix the schools. That’s it. No other discussions. … I’m never going to see my kid again. … Never, ever will I see my kid. I want it to sink in. It’s eternity. My beautiful daughter I’m never going to see again. And it’s simple. It’s not — we can fix it.
Mr. Pollack
Dana,
What is your definition of military style?
You do know that the military does not use semi-auto rifles right?
Dana,
How do my ideas not save children?
Cory,
What is Sutton’s position on this?
I’m surprised you haven’t posted it already.
Unbelievable.
Sheriff Israel said that there is a possibility his office made a “mistake” in its evaluation of the school shooter who killed 17 people, but argued that law enforcement around the country needs more power to be able to involuntarily treat people who are mentally ill.
“In Florida, we call it a Baker Act. It allows us to take an individual to be, against their will, involuntarily, to go to a mental health facility and be treated,” Israel explained.
Loesch questioned how the shooter apparently did not meet that standard.
“Thirty-nine visits not meet that standard? 39 visits, assaulting students, assaulting parents, taking bullets and knives to school did not meet that standard?” she questioned.
Israel asked what incident she was talking about specifically, and Loesch pointed to threatening messages he allegedly sent to classmates telling them he would murder them.
“They were threatened with death. They were threatened that they were going to plea — bleed. They were threatened that they were going to be killed,” Loesch told Israel. “He had already taken bullets and knifes to school. He had already assaulted people. He had assaulted his parent. He had assaulted other students. 39 visits. And this was known to the intelligence and law enforcement community.”
Israel tried to side-step the issue, telling Loesch she is not the “litmus test” for law enforcement and arguing that her “39” number was incorrect.
“You have to follow up on these red flags,” she asserted.
http://dailycaller.com/2018/02/21/nra-sheriff-florida-shooting/
Why don’t you do some research and see what Sutton’s position is.
No Jason, I will not go down that rabbit hole with you. You can try to bait me, but I will not bite.
Um….yes, retired LEO. I am very familiar with weaponry. Thank you very much.
Answer MY question— what purpose does a gun, any gun have that will support firing hundreds of rounds in under 5 minutes? Hunting? NOPE defending oneself? NOPE!
common sense and rationale thinking will win out on this.
As many conscientious AR-15 owners are saying they are “fun to shoot”. Not having a darn thing to do with 2A. Those same owners are saying enough. Enough is enough, and these types of weapons are not necessary. THOSE are the folks that are using common sense.
I waited eight long years for Obama to come and take my guns. Wait, what? That was a lie? That was just fear mongering? Say it ain’t so……
Dana,
How do my ideas not save children?
I don’t need to have a purpose to own a gun.
You do know that a handgun can fire as fast as an AR-15 right?
Please answer my first question so I can forward your answer to Mr. Pollack.
Roger,
He said he can’t speak to that right now.
Way to take a stand Sutton……
http://www.kdlt.com/2018/02/19/two-south-dakota-senators-discuss-fatal-florida-shooting-and-gun-laws/
Roger,
Can you pay for me to be a member of the Sutton Bay Golf Course?
Maybe then I can find out what his stance is on gun issues.
I’ll for a one way trip to hell for you.
The newscaster cut Sutton off so we couldn’t hear his complete answer.
Roger,
Do you think he spoke to that after he said he can’t speak to that?
Roger,
It’s time for you to do some research.
Is Trump’s poll numbers better than Obama’s at this time in their respective Presidencies?
True or False?
Roger,
Most sane people don’t want other people to go to hell. I think you are mentally unstable.
Maybe Cory should report you to the FBI? Maybe if someone would have reported James Hodgkins, Scalise wouldn’t have been shot.
My inclination is you’re just an idiot, but you can’t be to careful these days.
Thanks to our Second Amendment, the United States has fewer mass shootings per capita than many other developed countries, including Norway, France, Switzerland, Finland, Belgium and the Czech Republic. (And 98 percent of our mass shootings occur in “gun-free zones.”)
But imagine if we could cut our mass shootings in half?
There have been about 34 mass shootings since 2000. Forty-seven percent — 16 — were committed by first- and second-generation immigrants, i.e. people who never would have been here but for Teddy Kennedy’s 1965 immigration act.
(Excluded from both lists: the Las Vegas shooting, because law enforcement has released nothing but lies about it, so that shooting remains unclassifiable; family dispute shootings; targeted assassinations of police officers; and shootings on Indian reservations.)
http://dailycaller.com/2018/02/21/amazing-new-breakthrough-to-reduce-mass-shootings/
Just some more facts for you.
The Daily Caller is hardly a credible news source, it was founded in part by FOX Liars Carlson Tucker.
The Daily Caller is nothing more than a conservative propaganda site with questionable contributors such as Ann Colter and Karl Rove.
Jason, why are you so attracted to guns? Do you have deep fears about getting robbed and gunned down?
Are they exciting, do they make your heart beat wildly? Do they make you feel all masculine and rugged? Do you have fantasies about saving everyone from a mass shooting? Do you think guns get women turned?
I’m just trying to understand people like you.
Jenny,
I’m attracted to the Constitution. I feel very lucky to be born in America.
Have you ever shot a gun Jenny?
Do you shoot your own food or do you have someone else do it for you?
Roger,
feel free to prove the daily caller wrong.
CNN calls high school student who shielded students a liar.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/02/22/shooting_survivor_colton_haab_cnn_gave_me_scripted_question_after_denying_question_about_armed_guards.html
You didn’t answer my questions, Jason. Do you believe that guns will get you girls? You know, kind of like how women admire nice cars? Do you feel strong and powerful when you shoot a gun? Does it make you want to do it over and over again?
There is a very real gun addiction/thrill in the brains of people like you, Jason, that scientists are just beginning to discover.
Jason wins, hands down. He’s not trying to make a point or argue a position here. His nasty childish remarks serve one purpose only and that is to draw all attention to himself. When you lower yourself to respond to him you only give him the validation he craves. This blog is an interesting and thought-provoking place to spend time when we don’t allow immature buffoons to drag it down.
There were 31 mass shootings from 2009 until the end of 2015.( Not including where one family member shoots entire family.)
The only country with a higher per capita murder rate is Yemen.
As for CNN calling student a liar- no, they didn’t.
Jason loves him some cherry picked stats. What a phony.
“But America can’t get to those solutions until it admits it has a gun problem and confronts the reality of what it would mean to seriously address it.”
Truth. Good write up here. Supported by, you know, facts and research and everything.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/2/21/17028930/gun-violence-us-statistics-charts
JonD is absolutely correct. Hits the nail on the head. And I have to plead guilty to his very appropriate comments. Guilty.
This blog post was about Noem’s obvious pandering and her ridiculous, repeated hypocrisy, tone deaf-ness, and lack of self awareness.
She was not qualified to be the SD House Rep, and she proves it every day. She is definitely not qualified to be our governor.
JonD??? Thank you.
What Noem should be focused on- https://www.reuters.com/article/us-trump-effect-corn-exclusive/exclusive-as-trump-trashes-nafta-mexico-turns-to-brazilian-corn-idUSKCN1G61J4?feedType=RSS&feedName=newsOne&google_editors_picks=true
Low ag prices are likely to shrink lower as Brazil is taking advantage of the dipwad in the WH. They are providing Mexico with a stable market from a nation not hamstrung by a Drumpf.
Rat-tat-tat-tat-tat…BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM…say it fast and say it loud…the last thing those kids heard before the bullets ripped thru their internal organs. Just stop this so it don’t happen to my kid and I don’t care how.
We need to ask ourselves as a nation which is more important. The right of someone to own an AR-15 or someone’s life? People like Jason just need to admit that they’re right to own a deadly machine weapon is more important.
Jenny, to that point, I find an irony in how many Second Amendment zealots also identify as “pro-life.”
Jon,
I’m the mature one in the room offering ideas for school safety. The democrats are not.
Remind us again, Jason, what you as the ‘ adult in the room’ would do to keep our school children alive.
Can you be specific without blaming others?
Roger,
I stated my ideas yesterday. They are in black and white for you to read.
FINALLY!!! The President wants to increase salaries for teachers. (What could possibly be wrong with that?)
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-armed-teachers-pay-bonus_us_5a8f0048e4b005bb0fef56dd
What is wrong with it o?
Can you share with me the time and the date of your gun plan?
I gave ideas for school safety because I am the one that cares about the children’s safety Roger.
9:50 was the time.
o
South Dakota remains near the bottom of the national pay scale for teachers with the SDGOP continually refusing to make efforts to pay teachers equitable salaries.
Is a teacher packing heat the only way South Dakota teachers will get a pay increase?
Lesli: “don’t you guys get tired of . . .”
I think the better question for more of the GOP faithful is, “Aren’t you tired of the radical fringe defining what YOUR party stands for?” Instead the RINO litmus test is the tool of the Tea Party fringe to attack the reasonable center of the party. The GOP has a flea problem, and we all can see what caused it. Are you the party in power when it is no longer YOUR party? I think John McCain has contemplated that very issue.
1. Pinedale School had an armed sentinel on duty at the time of the shooting.
2. I don’t know if they have metal detectors, but it is a good idea.
3. Pinedale School does have a locked door security system.
4. I’ll message the students that survived the Trump inspired massacre that you are the only one that is the ‘adult in the room’ and that you ‘are the only one that cares about the safety of children’.
Roger,
Obviously the doors were not locked if he got in.
Obviously there needs to be more armed adults in the school.
Obviously you’re an idiot for saying Trump inspired.
Excuse me all to hell, Jason, have you not seen the photos of killer Nicklas Cruz wearing Trump’s MAGA cap, you are a buffoon to live in denial.
Trump’s exact words about increasing teacher pay when they arm themselves, “a little bit of a bonus”.
Roger,
How did Trump inspire it?
Vladimir Putin has upped the NRA corruption money to republicans so that the bonus paid will not affect their take for more guns to teachers. NOem and company were at first alarmed that their take would be lessened. Teachers with guns gives new meaning to “Jimmy, you had better get your homework done…NOW”..Chamber’s round…
Stoney Douglas was preparing for school dismissal and had the doors open, gates were open for buses and vehicles to pick up children when Nicklas Cruz entered the school disguised as a student.
Locked gates and doors are not always effective, school personnel and students need to move freely throughout their school without some 2nd Amendment guy killing them.
During a speech at the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) on Thursday, Loesch accused the media of loving mass shootings for the boost in ratings they get.
“I’ll say it really slowly so all the people on the platform in the back can hear me loud and clear: Many in legacy media love mass shootings,” Loesch said, directing her comments to reporters. “You guys love it. I’m not saying that you love the tragedy, but I am saying that you love the ratings. Crying white mothers are ratings gold to you and many in the legacy media in the back.”
I call BS on you, Loesch!
Jerry
Trump’s and the NRA response is more guns, that equates to more gun sales and bigger NRA contributions to corrupt politicians.
How many teachers are there in America? How much does a Glock or similar weapon cost? Who pays for the weapons?
How much will the initial and ongoing training cost for teachers.
Do people making all these suggestions for arming teachers ever talk to teachers to get their input.
Many teachers will leave the profession if forced to arm themselves.
Roger,
That’s why you have armed teachers when the doors are open.
There is enough sexual abuse done in schools and places of worship now. Imagine if the teacher/pastor/priest and rabbi demands sex while armed. How will the PTA be armed? Will they all come with Kevlar plates instead of dinner plates? How much will my taxes go up to provide the drones, guns and lawyers for the results? When students go abroad for cultural exchanges, how will the airlines accommodate? Like what we have seen, what if race gets involved in extra curricular activities? Will the cheerleaders be sporting Glock”s. School bus’s will now be more modern like these https://www.google.com/search?q=military+armored+MAP+truck&rlz=1C1AVSK_enUS663US669&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=sLr4g0c9QvtM_M%253A%252CiVFPzBA4Od3ueM%252C_&usg=__jVrcplmig-HrBvduR_H8DCETxfk%3D&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi91YGYp7rZAhXC7YMKHbkzAfsQ9QEIMDAE#imgrc=sLr4g0c9QvtM_M:
Recall, if you will, republican Education Secretary Betsy DeVos wanting to arm teachers because of ‘grizzly bears’.
School activities like basketball games, football games and even debate, yes debate!, will now have armed coaches and other good guy with guns. So if the games get too close, there will always be an alternative to little Timmy running across that goal line in an upset. School bus motorcades coming and going, will now have turret machine guns and grenade launchers giving new meaning to a military parade.
Roger,
As a teacher, I can say that the logistics of cost and training do not matter; figuring out logistics will not make this a good idea. Guns will not make my school safer PERIOD. That is the only element of this foolish proliferation-for-profit strategy we should address. More guns is not the answer to too many guns.
o
Thank you, I bring up the logistics to show that those advocating arming teachers have not thought this through.
I was stunned to hear today that Trump opposes “active shooter drills because it’s a negative thing for kids”.
When Trump was criticized for his remarks the White House spokesman said Trump simply wants to call ‘active shooter’ drills’ something else.
I don’t know what context you can make ‘active shooter’ drills into something different.
It is good to hear from an educator that is aware of the real issues on school shootings.
Armed policeman was on scene and did not go into school. https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/He-Never-Went-In-BSO-Suspends-Officer-Who-Was-at-Parkland-Shooting-474889753.html
So there ya go. Even if you are armed and trained, you may not be up to the challenge of taking on a madman with an automatic weapon. NOem is full of the beans.
Good guy with a gun didn’t use it.
Wayne LaPierre, head of the NRA, says that America’s “schools must be the most hardened targets in this country.” So, now the NRA wants us to put our kids in a concrete bunker with no windows, prison-like guards and no recess? We better have tanks and armored personnel carriers to take them to and from school and the National Guard escorting kids to and from school. And we better have a SWAT team and quick reaction forces on standby 24-7. All of this is so we can avoid confronting the issue of civilians with military weaponry that the NRA wants every Tom, Dick, and Harry to be able to purchase without a background check.
Instead of regulating military weaponry and instituting universal background checks, the NRA would have us spend billions of dollars to make every school in America a military fortress. A happy byproduct of this mentality is that everyone should arm themselves with an assault weapon and spend the weekends blasting away at the gun range. Welcome to the world of the NRA where any common sense gun regulation is an affront to their rights and a slippery slope to banning all guns and where gun industry profits are more important than the lives of our children.
He resigned. A gun can’t force one to be brave or duty bound. A person trained in gun use in such situations failed to perform. How will most teachers perform?
Darin,
Banning AR-15’s will not save one single life. Handguns are semi-automatic as well. Are handguns military weaponry?
Darin,
Please link me to where the NRA said they don’t want background checks?
Do your own research
It’s ok to have armed guards in courthouses, airports, & airplanes, but it’s not ok for schools?
That’s democrat logic for you.
Roger, I don’t need to. I already know Darin lied.
Teachers are interested in teaching kids, not shooting them. The NRA has proven with their dumb statements that they are really Not Really Anything but clowns. Just like trump and his moll NOem, all fakey. Ban automatic military style weapons to the armory’s. Ban clips any larger than will fit into a varmint rifle (5 rounds with one in the chamber). Do NRA type of hunter education to understand how to hunt safely. Have Jason’s mom take away his keyboard again.
Jerry,
If you want to discuss guns than you need to learn the difference between semi-automatic and automatic. Go upstairs and ask your Mom to explain it to you.
With every mass shooting there is the eternal debate about guns, what is a semi-automatic, automatic, capacity about clips and the endless commentary from pseudo gun professionals.
Do you think for a minute that the children at Pinedale give a good goddamn about what kind of gun someone is using when they become targets to a killer?
No, they don’t care, they care about their safety and the safety of their friends.
First off, I have no problems with guns. I have been a hunter that was given a card many years ago by the NRA hunter safety courses. The problems with guns, since China and Russia flooded the markets with this military hardware, are folks like you Jason. You have no idea of the history of these military weapons and why they are here in the first place. The markets saw that though and saw immediately the profits involved. The only way to make it all work was mass production to offset the imports and the only was to do that was to frighten those easily fooled like you Jason. It worked!
Those three policemen in Florida have proven that Jason is full of it as is the entire NRA and the buffoon that speaks with forked twitter in the White House. It takes a certain person to rush into a burning building instead of out of one. The NRA fails in that regard as do you Jason and your twitter dude. Ban assault rifles, Ban clips any larger than 5 rounds, teach hunter safety. Oh and have the state pay landowners set aside money for shelter strips for habitat as well as clean water runoff. Kind of a soil bank that would provide decent cover for game birds as well as deer and antelope. There, fixed it.
Banning AR-15’s will not save one single life
What a stoopid thing to say. Of course banning ARs will save lives, potentially thousands, of not more.
And yes many handguns are military type, design, calibers, etc.
Banning AR-15’s will not save one single life. That is a fact Jerry and Roger.
The deputy was fired for not doing his job.
Mike,
How will banning AR-15’s save one single life?
There were 362 homicides by rifle of any type in 2016. That’s murder and defense. So few homicides were committed by AR style guns they don’t even have their own statistical category. In fact, nearly four times as many people were killed by knife and hammer as by rifle of any type. There are 25 million ARs out there. Do the math, if you can. If they were to ban and confiscate every AR today, there would be no change in the homicide rate, and it would have a zero effect on mass murder. In fact, if Cruz couldn’t have got an AR he would have used another gun, and if not a gun, he would have murdered those people some other way.
Math and logic are not your strong suits. Your Mom better get you into something like remedial reading or Sylvan Learning. Stay away from the spicy foods too, all that backup gas is creating stink fog of the brain.
Jerry,
Do my facts make your head hurt? My logic is flawless.
Jerry,
Can you offer an opinion on why Trump is opposed to ‘active shooter drills’ in our schools?
Roger,
Florida Shooter Made Sick Use of School’s Active-Shooter Drill
https://www.thedailybeast.com/florida-shooter-made-sick-use-of-schools-active-shooter-drill
I think this has been and is still, marketing. If trump declares “active shooter drills”, it plays into what we all know about congress and the NRA. If he calls it what it is, “active shooter drills”, then the public would catch on, even those who are challenged like Jason. You loose your market strategy by transparency.
Keep in mind that bump stocks are now offering coupons. Remington is starting to get back to its job of providing killing machines as well. So the corruption of money in Congress is dependent upon keeping the status quo which would not be the case with “active shooter drills”.
In short, when you scare the hell out of the kids in school (think the old days of nuke awareness), the adults start finding ways to fix it. Active shooter drills tells the public that lawmakers are lawless.
Jerry,
You should have read my link before you posted. Now you look like an idiot.
I can’t believe you guys are still bothering with Jason. He’s not worth our time as he’s made clear that his gun rights are more important than people’s lives.
Run along Jason, go play with your guns, just please don’t accidentally shoot someone.
Thanks Jerry
The Daily Beast is not a credible news source, therefore I refuse to follow that link.
I shouldn’t even re-enter this conversation but Jason just tips the scale completely toward irrational psycho-babble……… Jason, you’re appeal to authority sucks canal water………… you’re not an authority, you provide no reasonable and responsible background information or collateral authority, you offer up opinion and theory as some sort of honest fact and it’s become unbearably nauseating. You’re entitled to your opinion, but at least have the decency and responsibility to recognize it as such. Holding yourself out to be something you’re not is also intellectually and realistically offensive. Recognize this reality……….. Your insufferable regurgitation of historically redundant NRA talking points are the exact reason why none of us on here believe a word you say and turn us further away from what use to be a wise and responsible organization that honestly did good service to the Constitution, and American’s gun owners. You have to decide what your purpose is…… If you’re trying to sell all of us on a way toward solving gun violence in this country, show some independent thinking for change because your salesmanship stinks……… If all you’re trying to do is mislead, misdirect, and stymie reasonable and civil debate, you’re doing a good job………… Accomplishing nothing.
Roger,
Are you saying the school didn’t have an active shooter drill?
John,
Feel free to link to evidence that refutes my facts.
Guns kill less people than hands John. That’s another fact.
Feel free to prove that wrong.
Roger, your opinion on the same sir, if you will.
Jenny,
How will banning AR-15’s stop people from mass murder of children?
Jason,
Why don’t you give a citation for NRA’s position on universal background checks? Ok, you are too ignorant to do so, so I will help you out with this information from the NRA’s own website:
August 8, 2016
Background Checks for Guns
NRA opposes expanding firearm background check systems . . . .
https://www.nraila.org/get-the-facts/background-checks-nics/
You can’t even get the position of your own gun organization correct? And you call me a liar? But far be it from me to get in the way of your carnival act. Carry on.
Darin,
You seem to not understand the word “expanding”.
Please tell us how expanding = no background checks?
Jason,
Just for fun, I’ll spell it out for you. If we don’t have universal background checks currently, in order to implement universal background checks, we would have to expand them since they are less than universal.
I didn’t say expanding = no background checks.
And if I have misstated the position of the NRA on universal background checks, why haven’t you cited the NRA’s position statement on this?
I’ll answer for you. Because you are a troll that knows the NRA is against universal background checks, but you want to play word games like the NRA that assert one thing when the opposite is actually true. It’s too bad you are not very good at it.
Let’s hear your next distraction. I’m quite certain we won’t see a citation from you to the NRA’s position statement supporting universal background checks.
Darin,
Thanks for providing the NRA information, I was getting ready to research it myself and you saved me the trouble.
The NRA makes it pretty clear, or should, to any rational thinking reader.
It’s interesting to watch someone that has been proven wrong to continue the farce of defending themselves.
I failed to mention that Jason also wallows in irrelevance…….. You’ve posed no statistically supportable facts…… Just speculative and uncommon, common sense that fails it’s own test. Like I said Jason, your appeal to authority is BS on it’s face. You have no credibility and it is more than obvious to a rational person that all you do is pull stuff out of your back side and toss it against the barn wall believing it will stick to something.
https://www.brennancenter.org/analysis/how-nra-rewrote-second-amendment
Russians, bloody Russians and the bloody NRA
Amy Siskind
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@Amy_Siskind
Also a reminder that the @NRA is under FBI investigation for possible violations of FEC laws for allegedly laundering Russian money into our 2016 election: $30 million in donations to Trump.
8:52 AM – Feb 22, 2018
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NOem needs to talk about this as well. What the hell, Jackley and the rest of them that are the supporters of the Russian/trump regime.
Darin,
I am not a troll. I state facts. You call me a troll because I am smarter than you.
What do you mean by universal background checks?
If you mean private citizens, then the majority of America is against that.
You do know that FFL dealers do background checks at guns shows right?
The bloody ship called the NRA is sinking. https://thinkprogress.org/alamo-national-enterprise-dump-nra-35d326965744/ This is the “active shooter drill”, even corporate America is seeing the blood. The only ones who still show the hate are the Evangelicals at CPAC, they loves them some funerals of dead kids.
John,
Please prove this wrong. I bet you can’t.
There were 362 homicides by rifle of any type in 2016. That’s murder and defense.
Troll alert. Da Jason is in the bldg.
Is BIll Sutton going to come out for a gun ban?
I assume you guys want him to.
Jerry,
People call other people trolls when they can’t win on facts and are dumber than the other person.
Jason,
This is fun! You keep lobbing them over the plate and I keep hitting them out of the park: Approximately 90% of Americans support background checks for all gun sales.
http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2017/oct/03/chris-abele/do-90-americans-support-background-checks-all-gun-/
[notice how Jason’s original argument was that the NRA supports universal background checks and now he has shifted positions to argue that Americans don’t support universal background checks and he’s wrong on both fronts]
Jason, you better ask for a relief pitcher.
Irrelevant Jason…………. Irrelevant but then it would be overly assumptive of me to expect you to understand the term…………….. You offer nothing but pointless, irrelevant dictum. I’m going to enjoy my rest tonight understanding that I can ignore you.
John W
The Brennan Center link is well worth the read for those that have reading comprehension skills.
Clearly, the contemporary NRA mantra using the 2nd Amendment has been completely bastardized from the original intent of the founders. How the NRA went from a history of advocating background checks to supporting a ban on the tommy gun is interesting, and revealing.
Excellent commentary, Darin, thanks.
Darin,
You keep striking out. I said the NRA supports the current background check law.
As for the poll, are you serious?
What percentage would it be if the question was should a private gun seller have to do a background check?
I guessing that wasn’t the question asked. You brought it up so I will let you research the exact question asked.
I think you have at least two strikes now.
John,
You enjoy your night knowing that you can’t refute my facts.
Jerry
Beside the Mueller investigation into Russian/NRA money laundering, like you said, corporate America is taking note of recent NRA activities.
Today, the First National Bank of Omaha started canceling NRA/VISA cards.
The leaders of tomorrow have arrived today, the young patriots of Pinedale School in Florida have inspired a movement that seems to have no bounds to reach their stated goals. Their primary goal is to vote out of office every politician that has received NRA money.
Roger,
I am going to call that bank tomorrow and cancel my Scheels card. I wonder how Scheels will feel about that? Now that I think about it, I’m going to call Scheels first.
Note how Dakota Free Press troll has to continually reinforce his belief that he is smarter than anyone here. Trump does that same damn thing and it makes him look dumber than already is.
Jason,
Which personality am I talking to now? Maybe you are new to our discussion. I said the NRA doesn’t support universal background checks. You called me a liar. I cited the statement from the NRA’s own website. You cited nothing. You then said Americans don’t support universal background checks. I referenced an article that cited numerous polls that showed that Americans overwhelmingly support universal background checks. You cited nothing again and said the polls are rigged! They are rigged I tell you!
Darin,
Where did you say “universal” in your original post?
This is what you said:
l of this is so we can avoid confronting the issue of civilians with military weaponry that the NRA wants every Tom, Dick, and Harry to be able to purchase without a background check.
I didn’t say the poll was rigged. I asked you to find out what question was asked.
I will bet with you right now that they didn’t ask if private gun sellers should do background checks.
The facts are the NRA is OK with the current background check system.
They are not ok with not all States reporting, and they are also not OK with the Airforce not reporting.
This is strike 3 for you.
Excellent Roger! The more they leave, the more the public gets the point of the murders this group condones. Blood money is not good for business.
Jason,
Literally the next sentence I wrote in the post you referenced with Tom, Dick and Harry says: “Instead of regulating military weaponry and instituting UNIVERSAL BACKGROUND CHECKS, the NRA would have us spend billions of dollars to make every school in America a military fortress. [Capital letters added for your convenience]”
But as smart as you are, you already knew this right?
The population of the United States is an estimated 326,000,000, whereas the NRA boasts a membership of 5,000,000.
That is relatively small percentage of our population that bullies and attempts to interpret the Constitution for the rest of the citizens.
Where would the NRA be without Russian money? It is estimated that the NRA poured in excess of $70,000,000 into the 2016 election.
Darin,
Your next sentence has nothing to do with the first sentence.
Of course the NRA is against private citizens having to do background checks. The majority of Americans are.
Are you against spending money to keep schools safe?
I am not. Just think if the Unions stopped giving a BILLION to politicians and gave it to schools instead. That is correct Darin. It’s over a Billion.
You should quit while you are behind.
What kind of medication is given to people suffering from delusions?
Roger,
Unions paid over a Billion to politicians.
Neither Unions or the NRA are responsible for gun deaths.
Roger, jerry, John W., o, et. al.
Thanks for the discussion. Keep fighting the good fight.
Jason,
Troll on.
Roger,
You must be on it so you show know.
I bet you didn’t know my fact about the Unions Billion.
I want you to explain how that Billion helped the employee that paid for it? That money went Democrats and the union workers are not all democrats.
The money wasn’t given to help the employees.
“you must be on it so you show know”, what the hell does mean.
I am no obligation to explain anything to you, you are the self-proclaimed smart guy, figure it out.
Why did you inject unions into a thread about Noem and guns? Sounds like you are grasping at straws since Darin and Jerry whipped you little troll butt.
Roger,
I injected unions because you guys injected the NRA.
How did they whip my butt? I’m the one that presented facts that they couldn’t refute.
Jason ejaculated- Please prove this wrong. I bet you can’t.
There were 362 homicides by rifle of any type in 2016. That’s murder and defense.
To quote John McCain-“What a whackobird.” This makes absolutely zero sense.
Defense is not homicide, troll. Accidental discharges are not homicides, troll. Jason is jumping sharks by the hundreds.
Mike,
You would have to reduce that number if you don’t want to include defense and accidental discharges.
You didn’t think that through very well.
Jason, just do you care more about your right to own guns than people’s lives? Is that more important to you? Gun rights are more important to the NRA and politicians like Kristi Noem and John Thune. They have proven us all these years by not supporting sensible gun control legislation like background checks.
Please answer the question truthfully and then go away. Go bug some other blog. We are done with you here.
Cory, can you shoo Jason away. He’s not contributing anything here, just trolling. Thank you.
Jason, there’s a big gun sale going on at Wal Mart!!!
I care about both Jenny.
You do know that guns don’t kill people right? People kill people.
Please tell me you understand that.
To me the gun debate comes down to this: the NRA wants to create the proposition that everyone NEEDS a gun for their very survival (especially to answer all the guns out there now); the NRA has created both the threat and the answer in their marketing strategy. I think the more rational response is to remove the threat.
Jason demonstrates the poison of the modern NRA fanatic rhetoric. I am less afraid that “they will come for our guns” than I am afraid “the gunmen will come for our children.” Guns are the deadly tools of the NRA/Jason siege/shoot-the-threat mentality.
Jason, I’ve reported you to Cory, so get off his blog.
Jenny,
Why do Democrats want to ban speech when it contradicts them?
Jenny,
What did you report? That I stated facts that you can’t contradict?
o,
Please explain how the NRA was involved in writhing the 2nd amendment?
You do realize the 2nd amendment is to protect us from the Government right? If not, than your school teachers and parents failed you.
Guns don’t kill people, really??? Boy, that would save our defense budget guns if our soldiers really don’t need guns to kill people in wars.
‘Guns don’t kill people’ – try saying that to one of the Parkland parents whose child was killed. Say that right to their face.
It would save our defense budget billion if we don’t need guns in wars.
http://jobsanger.blogspot.com/2018/02/another-poll-shows-public-wants.html
public wants background checks on ALL gun sales, including PRIVATE!
You would have to reduce that number if you don’t want to include defense and accidental discharges.
You didn’t think that through very well
Riiiiight, genius. I merely pointed out a fact you can’t seem to comprehend. Homicide is the intentional taking of another human life and is usually a capital crime punished by death. Self defense isn’t a crime and neither are accidental discharges so you can’t lump non-crimes in the homicide category. I thought you were bigly genius like Drumpf, niow I am sure youare.
Mike,
So the number is much less than the 362 that were murdered by a rifle. Can you compare whatever number that is to handgun homicides?
How’s that well-regulated gun militia working for you, gun folks? Are you happy with all the pain and deaths you have caused in this country?
The NRA and it’s supporters have made it painfully clear that guns and money are more important than innocent lives.
Don’t kick Jason off here. Though annoying, he is a case study in NRA lies and propaganda campaigns.
Jason’s twisting and contradictory positions on this thread illustrate the positions of the NRA on the national scene. Jason calls me a liar for saying the NRA is against universal background checks. Then I cite the NRA’s own website which says they are against expanding background checks. Then Jason starts to conflate what it means to have a universal background check to something less than universal. Then Jason says the NRA is OK with the current background check system which is not a universal background check system in any sense of the words.
The NRA, like Jason, engages in doublespeak and twisted logic. They deliberately cloud the issues, distract with tangents and make claims in public that are different then their actual positions. They say one thing and when you pin them down on their meaning, they actually mean quite the opposite of what they initially said. All the while, they are fighting behind the scenes to undermine any form of gun regulation–no matter what they say in public.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/nra-background-checks_us_5a1311e2e4b0c335e99641e0
Jenny,
Did you know that “well regulated” means in good working condition? If not, your teachers failed you.
America’s latest massacre of innocent children has finally woken up the country. Finally…..
A Sleeping Giant has woken up and is ready to fight – America’s children!! Just like they have welcomed the LGBTQ with open arms, they have the power to demand change with stricter gun control and I’m excited!
You just don’t get it, do you Jason?
Darin,
I called you a liar based on your first paragraph.
The NRA has no control over the 2nd amendment.
Good point on the troll Mr. Larson. As his leader Putin/NRA calls him and those who are in the same mold “useful idiots” that fits perfectly in what Jason writes. Do proceed Jason, do proceed.
Jason,
You claimed I didn’t use the words Universal Background Check in my post. The whole point of my dispute with you was whether the NRA opposes Universal Background Checks! Give it up, dude!
You are a chip off the old lying, distorting, BS that comes out of the NRA.
https://www.thetrace.org/2016/01/nra-background-check-system-brady-bill-wayne-lapierre/
Of course they oppose universal background checks. They don’t oppose the current system.
When is Bill Sutton going to call for gun bans like you guys want?
Ahhh yes, now we get to the truth of the matter: “Of course they oppose universal background checks.”
Darin,
Background checks don’t prevent murder or mass murder Darin. That’s a fact.
Democrats need to stand up for a assault weapons ban like we had:
“Supporters of an assault weapons ban, like Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), say that the goal of the bans is to prevent horrific mass shooting incidents, not stop the run-of-the-mill gun violence that kills dozens of Americans each day. Feinstein, along with 22 Democratic colleagues, introduced an assault weapons ban in the Senate after the Sutherland Springs shooting in Texas.
“This bill won’t stop every mass shooting, but it will begin removing these weapons of war from our streets,” Feinstein said in a statement. “Yes, it will be a long process to reduce the massive supply of these assault weapons in our country, but we’ve got to start somewhere.”
Not only could Billie Sutton come out for the assault weapons laws, but it may surprise us with Marty Jackley doing the same. Both of these candidates are law and order types, so this would fit right into their wheelhouses. Here is how it is working in California: “While California’s Assault Weapons Ban does allow individuals to obtain, transport or possess banned weapons with permission from the DOJ, the DOJ generally does not grant such permission to ordinary citizens. Legally defined assault weapons and .50 BMG rifles listed by make and model by the DOJ must be registered.”
So law abiding citizens could still possess assault weapons, they would be licensed just like full automatic weapons are here in South Dakota at present. Voters actually want this kind of law in place to show that government can actually work to help protect them.
Jerry,
Semi-auto rifles were never banned.
Gun bans will never prevent mass murder.
I await for Bill to come out and propose a gun ban.
https://www.twincities.com/2018/02/21/tim-walz-breaks-with-nra-supports-minnesota-assault-weapons-ban/
You can always count on DFL politicians to do the right thing. MN Rep Tim Walz of the First District who’s running for governor has finally changed his position and is supporting an assault weapons ban. A brave but moral move by him.
Jenny said “The NRA and it’s supporters have made it painfully clear that ____ and money are more important than innocent lives.” I think about 50% of the for-profit industries are guilty of this. Alcohol, prescription drugs, oil refineries, auto makers, professional sports, you name it. Most industries succeed because they focus on profits over risks, including the risk of the death of a user of the product or a bystander. Our country is full of “think-for-myselfers” that perpetuate the idea of “no pain, no gain.” It’s easy to ignore the deaths of total strangers, especially if you are well paid.
Jason mimics whoever convinced him that guns are the coolest thing ever by saying “guns don’t kill people, people kill people.” What an original and helpful comment from this blog’s most original and helpful commenter. Inanimate objects don’t do anything, Jason. That’s basically what inanimate means. That doesn’t mean we should all ignore the mechanism that people most often use to kill other people. A bottle of scotch is also inanimate and won’t kill anybody, and so is morphine, and so are molotov cocktails, and so are cyanide capsules, but we have reasonable regulations on their possession and use. Cars don’t kill people, either, but we don’t want blind people, or children, or incompetent drivers behind the wheel because the likelihood that the car is involved in a deadly situation increases too much for society’s comfort, even though some blind people and nine year olds really really really want to drive.
I have always been sort of torn on this issue of gun regulation. I’m not a big fan of regulations in general because I think adults should be able to say and do whatever they want, so long as they aren’t hurting anybody. I think if a person is smart and safe and has precautions in place, he should be able to have the biggest, coolest, most bad-ass guns in the world, and he should be able to shoot them until he can’t stand the joy anymore. I think if you don’t hurt anybody, you should be able to do pretty much whatever you want. The problem is, lots of people want to hurt other people. This issue is ultimately a conversation about the individual rights of a safe, smart, and good person compared to the rights of society to be safe from the people who aren’t safe, smart, and good. There have been bad people forever, and there will be bad people forever. Politicians say “mental illness” because that is a problem without a solution, so they can pretend to care without actually doing anything. The fact is, whether it is mental illness, just plain meanness, or a good person who snaps, we will never be without people who commit violent acts. The conversation being had right now is about the ease of access these types of people have to weapons that can do a lot of damage very quickly. Most people who own bad-ass guns will never use them to hurt anybody, but I think the availability of those weapons does make it easier for a bad person to get ahold of one and kill lots of people if they decide that is what they want to do. Any idiot can hold a gun and pull the trigger (just ask the NRA’s millions of idiot members). It’s too easy for these idiots to get these kinds of guns. Sure, a handgun can kill a person just like a rifle, but spray-and-pray works well for mass-gunmen. I think there should be regulations regarding clip size, firing rates, and probably a few other things I don’t understand because I don’t get my jollies off with guns and gun trivia. If somebody is so interested in owning a gun that can shoot real fast and hold a lot of cartridges, they should go through more specific certification processes; maybe even require bonding or insurance. It should be a pain in the butt to get these things. That way, the people who own them really have to want them, and have something on the line. Some loser 19 year old kid shouldn’t be able to get one just because he happens to have survived past his 18th birthday. Some hillbilly who is 40 shouldn’t be able to get one if he can’t show a reasonable amount of intelligence, stability, and understanding of the gravity of the inanimate object.
Finally, as to Jason’s suggestion about metal detectors and locked doors, those are things that actually would have a probable impact on the number of school shootings, but that being a fact doesn’t mean other methods of limiting the shootings should be ignored. There are a lot more schools in South Dakota than airports or courthouses. The initial expense would be huge and the ongoing expense would cripple some schools that already have zero dollars available for anything. Also, it’s a total crap-shoot whether some middle school fake cop with a gun would make a school shooting better or worse. The guy in Florida was apparently terrified and did nothing. I think a lot of people would freeze up. And Jason, don’t forget about all those non-metallic guns and and all that undetectable ammo you mentioned in the post about metal detectors in courthouse a couple weeks ago. It’s the future, man! Kids can make guns out of pineapples, so metal detectors don’t do squat, right? Convenient way to argue – play one side of the conversation on one post, and then the other on a different post, and say it all with confidence until you believe your own delusions.
Universal background checks would prevent some murders and some mass murders. That’s a fact.
(I had to experience the freedom that Jason has to just state things as fact without any evidence or citation to back it up in the slightest! It’s so exhilarating to be freed from constraints like logic, reason and evidence!)
A critique of the latest NRA doublespeak:
https://thinkprogress.org/nra-spokeswoman-dana-loesch-misleads-cfe14f8b3f08/
Jason, you were still soiling your pants in 1994 when the assault weapons ban came into law so you will have to look that up in a google search.
“He calls the results “staggering.” Compared with the 10-year period before the ban, the number of gun massacres during the ban period fell by 37 percent, and the number of people dying from gun massacres fell by 43 percent. But after the ban lapsed in 2004, the numbers shot up again — an astonishing 183 percent increase in massacres and a 239 percent increase in massacre deaths.”
Washington Post 2/15/2018
The assault weapons ban worked in 1994-2004 to save lives and mayhem.
Republicans are worried more about student’s genitals and have declared porn to be more dangerous than guns.
This is what they are worried about instead. Seriously.
Jerry,
I stated a fact. The assault weapons ban did not ban semi-auto rifles.
Lucian Truscott IV provides a great solution for folks who want to shoot semi-auto and fully auto military style weapons. Join the military and shoot to your heart’s delight. You get free weapons, free ammo and you even get paid for your pleasure.
https://www.salon.com/2018/02/17/how-about-you-join-the-army-if-you-want-to-shoot-guns/
Why would I join the military when I have a 2nd amendment right to own a semi-automatic rifle?
There the NRA goes again:
https://www.salon.com/2018/02/23/dana-loesch-is-lying-about-the-nras-stance-on-red-flag-laws/
Darin,
The NRA is not responsible for any murders or gun deaths. The person who pulls the trigger is.
At least you admit your ammosexuality, Jason. You have made it loud and clear on here and the NRA is proud of you.
Actually the 2nd Amendment neither creates nor protects anyone’s right to possess a semi-auto military style rifle. As others have pointed out the AR-15 is just that – a military style rifle designed to kill as many people as possible. It is the identical twin of the M-16.
The 2nd Amendment makes no explicit mention of rifles. The individual right to bear arms was recognized in a 5-4 SCOTUS decision authored by Justice Scalia. Prior to that decision the 2nd Amendment was not construed to grant a right to bear arms unrelated to the militia. In that opinion, Scalia wrote:
http://www.scotusblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/07-290.pdf
Some might argue that an AR-15 is a dangerous and unusual weapon, especially when carried into schools.
So join the military and shoot as many bullets as you like toward targets that look like people and if you are lucky, you might even get to go overseas where you can then kill living human beings with your AR-15 or M-16.
BCB back at it with intelligent and applicable material. BCB is like the anti-jason haha
Jason:
“The NRA is not responsible for any murders or gun deaths. The person who pulls the trigger is.”
This is not an either or decision. The NRA has ensured that manufacturers and sellers of guns cannot be held responsible for how those weapons are used either. That all feeds into the frenzy of sales (The NRA is really the sales-arm of the gun industry.) and the proliferation of weapons in both numbers and deadly power in the U.S. and the fallacious appeal to authority of the Second Amendment is not an answer we can accept any longer. As I posted earlier, we have the tail wagging to dog: we have determined our unique plague of weapons and the mass killing that has resulted is acceptable, or “the price we pay” for the Second Amendment instead of really questioning if the Second Amendment is good or right or worth the ACTUAL cost being wrought. Creating the conditions and arms for mass killings ought not be ignored in any discussion of “responsibility.”
I will be clear about my position: The Second Amendment, as currently interpreted as an absolute, individual right, is abhorrent.
It is the identical twin of the M-16.
That is false. An AR-15 would need to be modified to fire like an M-16.
Semi-automatic rifles have never been banned in the history of the USA.
Like I pointed out earlier, hand handguns commit most of the gun murders.
The Congressional Research Service might dispute any claim that “Semi-automatic rifles have never been banned in the history of the USA.”
And here is footnote 29, identifying particular semi-autos that were banned, including an AR-15.
https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R42957.pdf
The Federal Assault Weapons Ban (AWB)—officially, the Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act—is a subsection of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994, a United States federal law that included a prohibition on the manufacture for civilian use of certain semi-automatic firearms it defined as assault weapons, as well as certain ammunition magazines it defined as “large capacity”.
The ten-year ban was passed by the U.S. Congress on September 13, 1994, following a close 52–48 vote in the Senate, and signed into law by then President Bill Clinton the same day. The ban only applied to weapons manufactured after the date of the ban’s enactment, and it expired on September 13, 2004, in accordance with its sunset provision.
Several constitutional challenges were filed against provisions of the ban, but all were rejected by reviewing courts. There were multiple attempts to renew the ban, but none succeeded.
As one can clearly see, semi-auto military type weapons were banned for 10 years and challenges on constitutional grounds were denied.
ARs and M16s are identical with one small note- you should not shoot 5.56 mm bullets in a chamber made for the .223 cartridge.
I could have bought a semi-automatic rifle during the ban. That is a fact.
Mike,
They are not the same. Their firing mechanisms are different.
One can shoot full auto and the other can’t.
Check out the comment of John W. 2018-02-21 at 15:21 above for an explanation of the development and characteristics of the AR-15 and its relationship to the M-16 as a weapon designed for the military to kill as many people as quickly as possible.
Do you believe for a minute that the children and teachers murdered and wounded at the Stoneman School were concerned about whether or not they were shot by a semiautomatic or automatic weapon?
Dakota Free Press troll continues to ignore and refuse to comment about the FBI investigation into the Russian funding of the NRA that likely ended up in the Trump campaign.
You’re correct Roger. NRA/trump has Jason as one leading the charge. Now you know why he never put on a uniform, much easier to be a Quisling.
Points to Jerry for “Quisling!”
Jason, you lost this argument 200 plus posts ago. I am a sportsman and do not see any real need foe an AR 15. A true hunter would never need this weapon. Although the AR 15 is not really an assault rifle till it is modified it seems to be the choice of wackos that want to kill inocent people. The NRA has completely lost touch of what they should be protecting. I will never give the NRA a dime and would encourage people to quit giving to them until they are ready to come to the table and help solve school shootings. Somewhere there is a compromise. Who would have ever thought Cory’s story on Noem’s kickoff of her campaign would get over 300 comments, Cory I guess you hit a home run on this one. Give it up Jason, you lose.
Trump hates “losers”, troll.
The NRA marketing backlash continues to fall.
Three major car rental companies; National, Alamo, and Enterprise all dumped the NRA
One can shoot full auto and the other can’t.
BS Both civilian models can be made to shoot full-auto and you don’t need a bumpstock to do just that. That is a fact! Don’t deflect and say they would be illegal in full auto so you can’t legally own them. That is another misconception. With some money and federal permits you CAN own full auto machine guns. Give it a rest.
https://theindependentthinker2016.wordpress.com/2017/10/05/the-12-most-common-fallacious-gun-arguments-and-how-to-refute-them/
Excellent link John W.
Do you think troll will read and comprehend it?
I can’t read about those dead students without crying. It’s too heartbreaking, and I don’t understand how people like Jason, the politicians and the NRA can look at these tragedies again and again and not do anything.
Jenny, I think the two main sides in this gun regulation conversation can be compared to the two sides of the abortion issue. Pro-choice folks say they have a certain right, and anti-abortion people say a great loss of life is happening and limiting everyone’s rights is a fair sacrifice to reduce that loss of life. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying the issues are identical, but I mean the opposing views are similar in the right to freedom versus the right to life. Each side has people very dug in to their position and are frankly unwilling to consider any opposing views at all.
Jason, do you think the 2nd amendment has any boundaries for the personal possession and use of any kinds of “arms”? If so, what do you think is the line between something that should be freely available versus something completely illegal for all private citizens?
New story out sez there were three other deputies at the Parkland school that refused to go looking for the shooter. If only there were good guys with guns there.
If youcan’t get trained LEIS to charge the guns, it is expecting way too much for untrained but armed teachers to do so. Although I am sure there are many teAchers who would charge hell with a bucket of water to protect those wingnut throwaway full term and then some fetuses.
Not really the greatest analogy Ryan due to the completely different Constitutional protections (although a recent dissent from cert in a gun waiting period case suggests that Justice Thomas would agree with the analogy.)
As noted in an earlier comment, the SCOTUS has made it clear that is no Constitutional right to possess or own dangerous and unusual semi-automatic weapons like the AR-15. Pro-gun guys want to claim such a “right” where none has been found by the SCOTUS in the entire history of our nation. People that want to restrict manufacture and ownership of such weapons are not attempting to take any “right” away from pro-gun guys. They do not seek to prohibit ownership of the type of guns described by the SCOTUS that are designed and used for self protection, hunting, or target shooting, which are the only constitutional rights guaranteed by the Court’s modern interpretation of the “right to bear arms.” Rather they seek only to restrict and regulate weapons in a manner that does not offend the “right to bear arms,” as recently established by the SCOTUS. And the goal is restrictions that protect the public from mass killings (a public that actually has a constitutional “right to life”).
Anti-choice folks, on the other hand, are attempting to eliminate or restrict a settled constitutional “right of privacy” to make family planning decisions, including whether or not to become pregnant, remain pregnant, or terminate a pregnancy. They seek whatever restrictions they can to stop the exercise of that constitutional “right of privacy.” Pro-choice simply ask that people not intrude into the most private and serious decision.
While both sides on each issue are dug in and are unlikely to change their minds, it seems a false, and potentially harmful through distraction, equivalency to attempt to equate the two circumstances.
bcb – you touched on my only point at the end. I’m not at all saying the actual rights are the same or that the issues are the same. I’m saying only that people similarly dig in to their positions because they feel it is an issue of freedom vs life. People who are dug in refuse to listen to any other views. I’m saying only the emotional responses are analogous. I wasn’t as clear as I should have been.
Thanks Ryan. I was pleased and somewhat surprised that Jason failed to re-assert his “2nd Amendment right” to possess and shoot a semi-auto, such as an AR-15 (perhaps he decided to read Scalia’s actual opinion, which denied such a right). I think I understood your initial point, but I wanted to make sure Jason and others understood the differences. It seems best to clarify reality by avoiding false equivalencies.
Ryan,
I’m ok with the law against full auto. I would say it is an unconstitutional law, but the majority of the Country agrees with it and as far as I know it has not been challenged in court. (I have never looked to see if it has or not.)
My main point is banning a certain gun will not save one life. Nobody has presented me any evidence that banning certain guns will save one life. Cruz could have used a handgun and killed just as many kids. He could have used a bomb if he wasn’t allowed to get a gun.
The ignorance of guns and gun laws is prevalent in this thread.
Mike,
It is illegal to modify a rifle to make it full auto.
CNN:”When Coral Springs police officers arrived at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, on February 14 in the midst of the school shooting crisis, many officers were surprised to find not only that Broward County Sheriff’s Deputy Scot Peterson, the armed school resource officer, had not entered the building, but that three other Broward County Sheriff’s deputies were also outside the school and had not entered, Coral Springs sources tell CNN. The deputies had their pistols drawn and were behind their vehicles, the sources said, and not one of them had gone into the school.”
Just saying we need a wide range of reasonable gun regulations, universal background checks, mental health monitoring and services, armed school personell, and student-parent-teacher-staff-law enforcement organization to STOP another PREVENTABLE massacre from ever hapening again. AND no we are not trying to take your hand gun or hunting rifle away.
Just remember the alt-right position on passing gun regulations when they push for “the wall”. Just ask them if criminals will still find a way around, and if so, why build it? When they tell you it will slow down the illegal crossing, just tell them that is exactly what stricter gun regulations will do…..slow down the carnage. We all know laws don’t eradicate bad behavior and not once has a law been passed if, and only if, it eradicates the behavior entirely. If that were the case, we wouldn’t have laws.
You guys are giving Jason too much credit. He is a part of the extremist fringe of gun owners. I have spoken with many strong 2nd amendment supporters and hunters of all ages and they are more than happy to restrict things more if it means lives will be saved. It won’t deter us from owning guns, and more time to conduct better background checks will not affect our abilities to be sportsmen. Bump stocks won’t be missed and smaller magazines isn’t going to stop us from exercising our rights. Just remember, a toddler was killed this week in SD by an irresponsible gun owner and not a damn thing happened.
Stoney Douglas School survivor Sarah Chadwick #NeverAgain, “We should change the names of AR-15’s to “Marco Rubio” because they are so easy to buy”.
Well put Mr. Buresh, very well put.
Daniel,
Please list the number of “many people” you have spoken with?
Do you want to discuss the vehicle that was used to try to kill people this week in middletown, CT?
Daniel,
Can you prove that stricter gun regulations will cut down the carnage?
A wall built on the southern border near Yuma, Arizona, cut illegal crossings from Mexico into the United States by 94 percent, according to Senate testimony by the former Deputy Chief of the U.S. Border Patrol Ronald Colburn, which was previewed by the Washington Examiner.
“Violent bandit activity went from the record 200 attacks and over 1,800 victims the year before, to zero, after fence. The number of violent assaults on Border Patrol Agents also declined drastically,” said Coburn.
The construction of the border barrier brought known drive-throughs, “where smugglers load up vehicles with their contraband of drugs and people and simply drive across the open,” from 2,706 instances down to six. Arrests made by Yuma Sector Border Patrol Agents of went from 138,000 before the wall, to 8,363 after the wall.
In addition to the armed school resource officer, three other Broward County sheriff’s deputies were outside Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School during the shooting crisis and didn’t enter.
I can understand the lone guy not wanting to go in, but when you have 4 and that is their job.
In Texas, you had two private citizens go after the active shooter.
The fencing is just one of several factors. The Yuma Sun reports that border officials credit a number of reasons for the dramatic decrease in apprehensions. These include increased technology, a weaker U.S. economy, harsher immigration laws, and violence along the border. Another is a sharp growth in manpower. Since 2004 the number of agents assigned to the area has more than tripled, increasing from 331 agents to 987 in 2010, before dropping down to 859 agents in 2014.
The Border Patrol also cites “enhanced relationships with military, state, local, and tribal partners” as additional factors, as well as harsh policies questioned by human rights groups, such as Operation Steamline, which requires that undocumented immigrants be arrested and prosecuted in federal criminal court.
As usual, Jason leaves out pertinent details that tend to weaken his assertions considerably.
There, they are subject to group trials that are decided by judges in as little as 30 minutes, which can result in sentences of up to six months.
Any apparent success in Yuma, or in other Southwest border sectors, however, does not address the underlying conditions driving migration, including the pervasive violence and poverty in places like Honduras, El Salvador, and Guatemala, nor does it translate into a permanent policy solution.
https://www.factcheck.org/2013/02/did-the-1994-assault-weapons-ban-work/
answer: yeah. and reinstituting it without all the grandfathering and other exemptions will, even better.
get rid of liability exemptions for arms industry, too. get rid of large capacity magazines. institute universal background checks. institute rigorous training for concealed carry, hand guns, and I am sure there are other reasonable regulations. we also need protection from prepper militias that show up with ar15s and threaten LEOs and “protecting free speech of white supremacists”
Have you returned any serves, Jason, or are you still trying to put cheap shots in somebody else’s court? Last I looked you failed to respond to issues you said I raised on another thread. Win any points here? bullying real people here is going to win you no favors. Perhaps you can learn something from Daniel’s moderation.
rollingstone, this week: ar15s, later renamed m-16s are designed for lethality after military field tests in Vietnam I think, show just a 3 shot volley, any one shot fatal on its own, took off the arm, the foot split up the leg to the knee, and removed the head of the victim, at 30 yards.
looks like the name callers think their deputies with handguns knew what they were doing, rather than were cowardly. Trump “thinks” armed teachers would be more courageous because they would have an emotional attachment to the children being mowed down by the assault rifle with large capacity magazine.
Washington examiner is kind of an unreliable right wing ultra rag, Jason @ 00:27. get some sleep dude
Our United States Constitution guarantees that “No person shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law” yet those 17 kids in Florida are still dead. They were mowed down with the use of a military style assault riffle like the ones being used in hell-on-earth Syria to kill innocent children.
The 17 children killed in Florida who didn’t have a chance to live against the deadly fire power of that assault riffle. Once the riffle is in the hands of someone determined to use it to kill kids, chances are slim that law enforcement or armed guards can stop the carnage.
Once an assault riffle is sold it may end up in the hands of a mentally unbalanced youth because: “I didn’t know he had a key to the gun safe” or ” We had this monster living under our roof and we didn’t know”. Prevent the sale of the assault riffle is the first step to stopping these slaughter of our kids.
florida gun laws have spread to SD
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/03/05/the-nra-lobbyist-behind-floridas-pro-gun-policies
SS agent inflicted himself with a gun shot wound outside the WH today. No word on whether it was intentional or the gun just went off by itself.
I believe some Glock handguns are temperamental as all get out.
Assault weapons prove beyond doubt, a failure as a country and a society.
Notice how Jason changes clips every 7 seconds on his rapid fire retorts:
“Jason 2018-02-24 at 00:20 Daniel, Please list the number of “many …
Jason 2018-02-24 at 00:27 Daniel,
Can you prove…stricter gun regulations…cut down…’carnage’ (C)DJT
Jason 2018-02-24 at 00:49 In addition to the armed school resource….”
he’s like the troll in his mom’s basement with several loaded lap tops on, running and loaded. like the guy in the vegas hotel from room to room, gun to gun.
THE ‘COST’ of one ar15 mass shooting, for example: ORLANDO June 12, 2016, at 2:02 a.m., a uniformed off-duty officer working extra duty[11][12] as a security guard, engaged Mateen.[13][14] Mateen bypassed him into the building and began shooting patrons.[3][4][14] Eight minutes later the last shot by Mateen was fired between 2:10 a.m. and 2:18 a.m.[42] 202 total shots fired killed 50 (39 at the scene) and wounded 58. Mateen reportedly fired at least 110 rounds.[21][232][233] How many LEO shots killed or wounded unintended targets and hostages? At 5:05 a.m., the police bomb squad set off a controlled explosion.[17][6]. Eleven officers fired a total of about 150 bullets.[43][55][57][58][59] Mateen was reported “down” at 5:17 a.m.[55]
He legally purchased the two guns used in the shooting only days earlier from a shop in Port St. Lucie: the SIG Sauer MCX ar15 rifle on June 4 and the Glock 17 pistol on June 5. He had all kinds of gun licenses, training, and knew the building.
OneOrlando paid out over $27.4 million to 299 recipients. Imagine the total costs of LE, emergency, courts, coroner, medical and legal services, local government, counselling, Orlando tourism. Likely hundreds of millions of dollars the public pays thanks to the NRA and GOP each time they allow this to happen without reasonable gun/2nd amendment regulation.
All for one, 2nd amendment, sanctified, AR15.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/06/12/orlando-nightclub-shooting-about-20-dead-in-domestic-terror-incident-at-gay-club/?utm_term=.3768c1cf5c46
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orlando_nightclub_shooting
Remember Kristi, those shotgun deaths in scandal rich SD at Lake Andes (EB5) and Platte (MCEC). You wanna be Governor? Really?
Major correction- guy who shot and killed himself outside the WH was not a SS agent as I first reported. This was my Susan Rice/Benghazi moment that wingnuts love to jump on and accuse us Libs of lying to them.