Four months ago, terrorists invaded the United States Capitol, disrupted the normal Constitutional functions of the United States Senate and United States House of Representatives, assaulted public property and police, and threatened to kill lawmakers in a coordinated plot to install an unelected dictator as President.
Yesterday, South Dakota Congressman Dusty Johnson agreed with the majority of his House colleagues that the terrorist attack that imperiled his life and our democracy deserved the same sort of independent investigation that Congress authorized to investigate the 2001 terrorist attack that targeted the Capitol.
He voted for a commission that would carry out the following functions:
The functions of the Commission are to—
- conduct an investigation of the relevant facts and circumstances relating to the domestic terrorist attack on the Capitol, including relevant facts and circumstances relating to—
- activities of intelligence agencies, law enforcement agencies, and the Armed Forces, including with respect to intelligence collection, analysis, and dissemination and information sharing among relevant instrumentality of government;
- influencing factors that contributed to the domestic terrorist attack on the Capitol and how technology, including online platforms, financing, and malign foreign influence operations and campaigns may have factored into the motivation, organization, and execution of the domestic terrorist attack on the Capitol and targeted violence and domestic terrorism relevant to such attack; and
- other entities of the public and private sector as determined relevant by the Commission for such investigation;
- identify, review, and evaluate the causes of and the lessons learned from the domestic terrorist attack on the Capitol and targeted violence and domestic terrorism relevant to such attack regarding—
- the command, control, and communications of the United States Capitol Police, the National Guard, the Metropolitan Police Department of the District of Columbia, and other Federal, State, and local law enforcement in the National Capitol Region on or before January 6, 2021;
- the structure, coordination, operational plans, policies, and procedures of the Federal Government, including as such relate to State and local governments and nongovernmental entities, and particularly with respect to detecting, preventing, preparing for, and responding to targeted violence and domestic terrorism;
- the structure, authorities, training, manpower utilization, operational planning, and use of force policies of the United States Capitol Police;
- the policies, protocols, processes, procedures, and systems for sharing of intelligence and other information by Federal, State, and local agencies with the United States Capitol Police, the Sergeants at Arms of the House of Representatives and the Senate, the Government of the District of Columbia, including the Metropolitan Police Department of the District of Columbia, the National Guard, and other Federal, State, and local law enforcement in the National Capitol Region on or before January 6, 2021, and the related the policies, protocols, processes, procedures, and systems for monitoring, assessing, disseminating, and acting on intelligence and other information, including elevating the security posture of the United States Capitol Complex, derived from instrumentality of government, open sources, and online platforms; and
- the policies, protocols, processes, procedures, and systems for interoperability between the United States Capitol Police and the National Guard, the Metropolitan Police Department of the District of Columbia, and other Federal, State, and local law enforcement in the National Capitol Region on or before January 6, 2021; and
- submit to the President and Congress reports required pursuant to section 10 containing such findings, conclusions, and recommendations, which may include changes in law, policy, procedures, rules, or regulations, to improve the detection, prevention, preparedness for, and response to targeted violence and domestic terrorism and improve the security posture of the United States Capitol Complex and ensure the security of Members of Congress and staff [H.R. 3233, text as passed by the U.S. House, 2021.05.19].
The bipartisan authors of H.R. 3233 have designed this commission much like the 9.11 Commission:
The House Homeland Security Committee agreement appears to be self-consciously modeled on the 9/11 Commission. In their announcement of the commission, Homeland Security Committee Chair Bennie Thompson and Ranking Member John Katko twice compared their effort to the 9/11 Commission. Reading the draft bill alongside the legislation establishing the 9/11 Commission, the parallels are obvious. The bills use similar language and structure and, in many places, the Thompson-Katko legislation seems to have taken phrases right out of the 9/11 Commission bill.
In another echo of the 9/11 Commission, the new body is charged with issuing a report containing recommendations for “corrective measures” to prevent future acts of “terrorism.” The legislation specifies that the new commission must also include recommendations on how to “improve the security posture of the United States Capitol Complex while preserving accessibility of the Capitol Complex for all Americans, and strengthen the security and resilience of the nation and American democratic institutions against domestic terrorism.” As part of that work, the committee will examine a broad range of questions, including the work of intelligence and law enforcement authorities and “how technology, including online platforms, financing, and malign foreign influence operations and campaigns” might have contributed to the Capitol attack. The scope and range of the commission’s jurisdiction seems appropriate.
The structure of the commission is almost an exact replica of the 9/11 Commission. Both bodies consist of 10 members, five selected by Democrats and five by Republicans. Interestingly, the president appointed the 9/11 Commission’s chair. The speaker of the House and the Senate majority leader are to jointly pick the Jan. 6 Commission chair—but there’s no role for President Biden here.
The requirements for subpoenas track those of the 9/11 Commission, too. The new commission allows subpoenas to issue either on the agreement of the chair and vice chair, or on a majority vote of commissioners. As some commentators have pointed out, this could potentially give Republican members the ability to block any subpoena if they vote together—but it also means that only one Republican-appointed commissioner would be required to make a subpoena go through [Quinta Jurecic, Molly E. Reynolds, and Benjamin Wittes, “What’s in the Jan. 6 Commission Bill?” Lawfare, 2021.05.18].
Back in November 2002, only three Republicans in the House voted against creating the 9/11 Commission. The Senate approved the 9/11 Commission unanimously.
But yesterday, 175 Republican Representatives voted against this sensible investigation of the January 6 Capitol insurrection, out of loyalty to or fear of the primary instigator and intended beneficiary of that insurrection and his dangerously destructive supporters. The Republicans who are now trying to sweep under the rug the insurrection staged by their last President have not yet killed the prospect of a national commission to investigate the January 6 insurrection, but they have demonstrated their commitment to fascism over facts and democracy.
Fortunately, Representative Johnson has not surrendered his last shreds of patriotism and good sense to his morally crumbling party.
I listened to a radio interview with The Big Liar, last night while trying to get to sleep, at midnight after the Avalanche game.
His schtick it that the investigation in Arizona is going to vindicate his claims of a stolen election.
“We all went to bed thinking we’d won and then, in the morning, they started coming up with all these ballots from who knows where.”
T.B.L. knew, as we all did, that mail in ballots (which legally couldn’t be counted in some states until after the polls closed) would continue to be counted for several days after election day.
The GOP is playing a terribly dangerous game of capitulation with the MAGA extremists. Seeing how far expectations have already been pushed to prove loyalty to Donald Trump (and quite frankly, I am not positive even Donald Trump can aim the stampede he has mobilized), there is no line in the sand, no social, legal, ethical norm that loyalists will not be required to cross. The moment supporters refuse to cross that line for the mob, they also will be under that stampede; but until that moment, the stampede gets faster and faster, and more destructive.
To paraphrase Oppenheimer: Now MAGA am become Death, the destroyer of democracy’.
From all I have read, McCTurtlefartface has killed the commission in the Sinate because he can.
Well, I’m thankful that Rep. Johnson joined the side of law and order. As to Moscow Mitch, he’s the minority leader, not the majority leader, no matter how many pronouncements he makes. Granted, most of the Senators will go along with him – but not all. Meanwhile, the ones who really want a Jan. 6th Commission are the Capitol Police, who know that if this is swept under the rug, there’s gonna be more of it.
Once again the US Senate shows it is the worst and most irrelevant organization in the US government.
I believe that Johnson will occasionally do the right thing for the American people. When he does so, make sure you let him know that you have noticed. In addition, you might let the two Senators know your expectations and also when they (usually) let us down.
MM can control the Sinate from his minority position unless and until Dems can keep their voters in line AND get rid of the filibuster.
ps Dems likely had enough of their own votes to pass this bill so Johnson’s vote likely was symbolic and costs him nothing.
MFI, I agree 100%. That means the the senate is not irrelevant, but worse: where relevance goes to die.
Joe Manchin is killing me. He refuses to allow his own agenda to move forward. On voting rights he said that he would not support HR 1 because there was not bipartisan support for it. Given that the McConnell Senate GOP has publicly taken the position of opposition to ALL Democratic proposals — seen or unseen — Manchin is giving the GOP the majority power, but only the power to do nothing.
Just to keep a historical context for investigations: ten investigations were conducted into the 2012 Benghazi attack, six of these by Republican-controlled House committees.
Its a sad state of affairs when we have to offer praise for doing the right thing when there are no repercussions for doing the wrong thing. If we use this logic for the state populace, our prisons would be empty.
Pelosi addressed this at her presser this morning by saying that there was considerable resistance by Republicans against investigating 9/11 at first, too. It took nearly a year to get Republicans to agree to that investigation. It seems Republicans have to be talked into doing their job of oversight when Republican Presidents are involved. Democrats, on the other hand, supported the Benghazi investigation. Only when Republicans started to go into Benghazi derangement did Democrats try to pull it back to reality.
It’s unfortunate that there is one political party concerned with good governance and another concerned mostly with cover-up or political grandstanding. I’m glad Dusty joined the sanity and good governance caucus in the Republican Party,
Well when I lived in South Dakota, there wasn’t a dimes worth if difference between most Democrats and Republicans. It was almost entirely a middle of the road state. My father always had McGovern at his union events but he really like a Democratic senator from out west Henry Jackson. I used to tease or rather argue with him about that. Those were different times, McGovern never ran on his military glory, imagine that now for even one second. A man who ran on ideas and no negative bull. He was taken out by a national negative bull campaign by the NCPAC so the pubs have been at this along time, at that time they were lead by a closeted gay guy Terry Dolan, so he was used to lying before his death from aids. At the very least Johnson seems to be at the very least honest. What he believes is another matter.
By the way folks Terry Dolan had campaign posters of McGovern with a shooting target over McGovern face. Negativity can win folks.
Anyone who considers Jan 6 an insurrection has no apparent understanding of what an actual insurrection looks like in history. I consider that person historically illiterate. Unarmed people being let/lead into a Capitol by police and the only one getting killed was an unarmed woman who wasn’t doing anything but trespassing, that’s not an insurrection. It was curiously-timed, Pelosi security decision fail, infiltrated by bussed-in militant activists on the left and crazies on the right—- a protest gone wild. It’s not like they were setting fire to occupied government buildings like Antifa. It’s the event the Left needed to quell the interest in election integrity and demonize trumpsters who still care about legal voting. We should not waste time and money searching for something in nothing burger with some stupid commission. Let’s do a commission and study who hauls in pallets of bricks just prior to our cities bring rampaged by the Left and who incites those masses and pays their bail. Anyone who cares about bringing this country together again will support full forensic audits in six states where millions believe massive fraud was the only explanation. Miss me?
Hello, my name is Steve Hickey. I am going to make a bunch of claims, provide no evidence for them, and then declare victory. And no, Steve, I did not miss you. John Dale filled your crazy shoes just fine while you were gone.
Hickey swallowed the Blarney Stone .
I agree it was more of a coup attempt, than a true “insurrection,” which is why the Republicans don’t want the “attempted coup” investigated. There was a lot of “inside job” aspect to the whole day. Of course they didn’t bring guns to the Trump rally. None of them would have gotten anywhere near it if they had. You can call it whatever you want, but just so you know “guns don’t kill people; people kill people.” And they certainly did try. The crowd expect Trump to, as he said, march to the Capitol with them, but Mr. Bone Spurs chickened out, sat in his undies ion the toilet in his White House bathroom watching porn on TV and having a good wank. Yeah, just because these Capitol Building “tourists” were a bunch of effing incompetent dolts who believed the Peter Puller President’s lies, doesn’t mean they weren’t serious about trying to overturn the Constitution. I kind of believe that they would have hung Pence, because Trump had kind of pointed them in that direction.
Stupid and duped people can be traitors, insurrectionists or whatever you want to call them. There are a lot of stupid people who are damaged beyond help. Steve Hickey is one of them.
Oh, little Stevie, I would love to debate you, anytime, anywhere, no violence or name calling, just a slow whittling, it would be fun. How about it?
Mark, I’ve always treated you with respect. You lose it when all you have to say is little Stevie, which is name-calling. When you stoop as such, the block of wood you came to the Capitol with gets whittled down to a toothpick. Remember that analogy from our time there!l? My block for the most part is in tact except for a few chunks that came out when I said this or that stupid thing. Think man.
I live in Alaska. My health is bad. I’m happy to go fishing with you and debate anything all day long.
Insults. Boring. I’m confident stupid is not an accurate word to describe me. If you want to put the concerns to rest and for them to go away, and you should, support a full forensic audit or the 2020 election. Nothing is more important than upholding election integrity. Tens of millions of us stupid people have entirely lost faith in our system and raise legitimate concerns. I’d say it’s stupid to disregard it. Provide reasonable explanations for statistical impossibilities and anomalies that only favor one person on a ticket. Explain simultaneous middle of the night unprecedented vote count shut downs in multiple states with drastic vote spikes and stop telling thinking people to ignore what they see with their own eyes. Rethink how an old white tired political hack who no one was excited about, who didn’t campaign, couldn’t draw even a crowd of a few hundred who lost double digits of black and Latino voters, who wrote the laws behind mass incarceration somehow beat Obama’s win. Go get help if none of that sets off your BS detector. Quit believing the media and ever changing narrative our government feeds us. Consider the stupor and areas of deception in your own head. The future of the nation depends on good people waking up, and it starts with what happened Nov 4 when the nation was asleep. Jan 6 is the wrong day to scrutinize. I’m in my sixth year of being politically unaffiliated and undeclared. Both parties are whacked, corrupt, beyond repair and flip sides of the same problem. I’d welcome others of you to join me out in this place of more objectivity.
Well..I’m certainly pleased that the Congressman stood on the side of decency and law. I agree with Don Pay that it was an attempted coup, certainly an attempt to promote anarchy with a Trump dictatorship as the prescribed remedy. As Trump said previously “The President is the Government.” We need to know how the Trumpites prepped the whole thing, what was Rudy’s role in touring the country drumming up participation from fringe groups? Obviously when Rudy and Junior call for “Trial by Combat” and “Don’t be a zero be a hero” They encouraged the crowd to respond as they did. People died. People were maimed. It could have been worse. It was treason. Get on with the fact finding and let the trials begin.
Had trouble posting my full and edited comment. Apparently I can’t spell out the word BS and get past Cory’s filters. What’s posted here is an earlier version with some missing pieces that I couldn’t recover. The following will suffice as a fix.
For starters I mean 11/3. 11/3 was a bigger deal, more calculated and consequential than 9/11 by light years. Historians won’t look at 1/6 as the insurrection, but rather 11/3 as the date the integrity of our democracy was breached, the people attacked and our country hijacked.
Maybe Mark Anderson here isn’t my friend the Mark Anderson of the AFL-CIO. O well.
Still no evidence. This is not how argumentation is done, Steve.
Yes, 11/3 was Americans going to the polls in record numbers. What Steve doesn’t like are VOTERS.
I notice the Trumpistas never think to audit the counties where Trump rolled up the vote on Biden. All those machines seem to malfunction only in some counties and not others. What would make more sense to me is that the Chinese would have taken votes away from Trump in those counties. You’re looking in the wrong place.
Certainly there is ample evidence Trump never, ever could have gotten the vote out of South Dakota that he claimed. People are saying that Trump actually lost South Dakota by 3 million votes. THREE MILLION VOTES! Putin rigged the machines in South Dakota, so Trump could fraudulently claim those 3 electoral votes. Here’s what happened: Noem couldn’t allow Trump to lose in her state. So, it’s clear now why Noem built that “video studio” in the Capitol Building. That “video studio” is really a cover. It houses Putin’s secret servers by which he can switch the votes of MILLIONS of votes in South Dakota. It was perfectly situated quite close to the Secretary of State’s office and was secretly wired into his computer systems, which then interact with all the equipment out in the counties. Using these servers Putin was able to switch the votes, making Trump the winner in South Dakota.
We need an IMMEDIATE AUDIT! We need to scour Noem’s video studio. We need, we need….we need some medication, and fast.
I can make up BS, too, Steve, The thing is I’m smart enough to know BS when I see it. You ain’t.
Dicta – not sure I can help with your reading comprehension problem.
Donald, I yield to your smartness still confident of my own intellect.
You guys are obviously committed and unreasonable partisans and therefore a central part of the problem. You are a serious minority in South Dakota and therefore, by and large, irrelevant to governing. I say that being one who gristle’d out loud about the supermajority and wouldn’t play along.
If the issues I raise are non-issues then support a forensic audit in the six states where millions see evidence of fraud.
If you could get a GOP legislator alone and make him drink a truth serum, he’d probably say, “Jesus, give me an effing break. What do you want me to do? If I stand up to trump, I’m screwed. I know this is all horse sh!+, but I’d kind of like to keep my job, Ok. “
That’s who we’re dealing with. I’m surprised DJ held his ground, but he figured no one with an R behind their name loses in SoDak
“You guys are obviously committed and unreasonable partisans…”
No pot ever called a kettle black quite so hard as this one.
Again, Dicta, work on reading comprehension. Earlier I expressly stated my disdain for and distance from partisan politics. And remember back, while in office I was a disappointment and frustration to the political right and left.
I’m not an unreasonable and committed partisan. In 2010 I ran with the tag line…. not beholden to either party. Virtually no independents win in SD. Since I consider the Dems the party of death I’d never run under that banner, and for many other reasons. I ran under the Republican banner because that platform has far fewer disagreeables to me.
That’s who I am, the pot. Now let’s look more closely at you the kettle.
Go Rand Paul. I align there nicely. He’s a pain to both parties. It’s refreshing and gives me hope.
Well…Mr. Hickey, I respect your forthrightness if not your conclusions. Sorry for you and as you say, “the millions of others” but the last Presidential election was not close. I can think of five in my lifetime that were closer. Trump was a victim of his own personality and political persona. He drove people of a more moderate persuasion (especially suburban women and people of color) to the polls to vote for his opponent. In overwhelming numbers. His tepid and dangerous Covid response turned many voters away from the candidacy of Trump. The belligerence of his supporters defined his message. The majority of voters were tired of threats and upheavals, outrageous appointments, and his very strange foreign policy. He caused havoc in every department from the CIA to the Post Office. He had no solutions, just anger. That’s what you’re left with now. Just anger.
You were a disappointment to the right largely because of your tendency to insert your foot in your attention seeking mouth, Mr. MMA is the child porn of sports.
I appreciate your vantage point but the facts to support your statements are not there. It’s not enough that it makes perfect sense to you and for you to wish it to be true. Pardon a cut and paste from the Washington Examiner:
“Newly released data show that the majority of former President Donald Trump’s supporters in the 2020 election were women and people of color. The share of Trump voters who were women or people of color in last year’s election was 57.2%, up from 54.8% in 2016, according to newly released data from Catalist. The former president also increased his support among all racial demographics in 2020, with the exception of white men, making a 7-point gain among nonwhite women, a 4-point gain with nonwhite men, a 1-point gain with white women, and a 1-point loss among white men. The data also showed that Trump enjoyed a large increase in support among Latino voters, though Democrats still captured a majority of the group.”
He was becoming more popular not less. These are the types of realities that make a Biden win statistically impossible and counter any suggestion that he was more popular than Obama.
Trump won in a landslide and that was fixed by an emergency intervention in the middle of the night, largely through software malfeasance and manipulations. We saw it with our own eyes. Without a forensic audit I can’t prove it and you can’t disprove it. We all lose as half the country has lost faith in elections. What we do have are over 1000 legal depositions (evidence) and no court with a will to consider them, grant discovery and demand our justice agencies turn over every rock.
Dusty Johnson should lead with a proposal for a 11/3 truth commission and be a true Representative of the People. If that uncovers nothing, we can all move on except Pelosi. She can waste time and money on January 6.
No Dicta. Biting rhetoric wasn’t it at all. I was out of step on substantive things like the death penalty, the pipeline, native issues, monetized medicine, big ag and corporate subsidies/welfare etc etc.
And how could I forget, banking and high interest lending. Virtually zero Republican support to help us rid SD of payday lenders.
By virtually zero Republican support against payday lending I’m NOT referring to Republican voters. I’m referring to legislators, Governor, the party, donors, war toilet, the establishment, and Republican-leaning interest groups like the Chamber and Banks.
Dang: Pastor Hickey is part of the Liars’ Insurrection. There was no landslide in 2020. Biden simply won the election, fair and square. The loser told the lies Pastor Hickey is spreading to incite a inexcusable, unforgivable, violent insurrection against Congress, for which there is no excuse. Representative Johnson is one of the few Republicans who is willing to support an investigation of that terrorist act.
I hate giving this nonsense oxygen, but here goes:
Let’s look at a timeline of events that led us to where we are at.
In 2016, Trump claimed electoral fraud after he lost Iowa to Ted Cruz. Source:
https://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/trump-cruz-stole-iowa-tweet-deleted-218674
Leading up to the general election with Clinton, Trump claimed the election with Clinton was rigged and nearly half of polled republicans said they would not accept if he loss. Source:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-poll-rigging/half-of-republicans-would-reject-election-result-if-clinton-wins-reuters-ipsos-idUSKCN12L2O2
Post election, Trump claimed he would have won the popular vote but for the massive number of illegals who voted for her, a claim he never provided evidence for.
https://www.npr.org/2016/11/27/503506026/trump-makes-unfounded-claim-that-millions-voted-illegally-for-clinton
Fast forward to 2020, and Trump follows the same playbook, claiming ahead of time the election is rigged. Source:
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/25/donald-trump-rigged-election-talk-fears-274477
And we all know how things have turned out since the election. The problem is this: Trump has conditioned people to believe all this without evidence. And now, bizarrely, the lack of evidence is being used as evidence of fraud by many a talking head, including Mr. Hickey, here. Further, you seem to be disconnected from the reality of how things have progressed. Arizona is now on IT’S THIRD AUDIT in Maricopa County. Why? The Arizona GOP didn’t like the results of the first two. Now, it has a company that has no experience in elections with a CEO who has been tweeting stop the steal since November leading the audit. This audit is, ostensibly, in the name of transparency for voters. Why, then, Steve, has Cyber Ninjas fought against oversight? Source: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/arizona-republicans-election-review-contractor-cyber-ninjas-asks-judge-to-keep-details-of-process-under-wraps-01619471397
Maybe it’s because they are doing crazy stuff like looking for watermarks on ballots, a QAnon conspiracy. Maybe it’s because they are checking for bamboo in paper because China, another QAnon conspiracy. You’re getting took by a conman and are celebrating it, Steve. Shame on you.
Hickey can’t deal with the truth. Trump lost. He points to the vote count before all the votes are counted as evidence Trump won. Funny. It’s like deciding the winner of a football game at halftime. My county in Wisconsin was one of two that Trump decided to have re-counted. When the recount was in, Trump had lost by more votes than before. Trump got his legally accorded recount, and after losing by even more, he tried to overturn the vote in the conservative-dominated Wisconsin Supreme Court. They ruled against him, as did every other court challenge in Wisconsin courts, in other state courts, in numerous federal courts and in the US Supreme Court. Trump not only lost the popular vote, he lost the Electoral vote, he lost every court case, he lost in every which way you can lose. Trump and his loser followers are losers. Move on.
Chemo brain. The late Mrs. Lansing had it for a few years before she passed from breast cancer.
Mr. Hickey is to be pitied, nothing more.
But … “Explain simultaneous middle of the night unprecedented vote count shut downs in multiple states with drastic vote spikes and stop telling thinking people to ignore what they see with their own eyes.”
-The vote counters were done for the night and went home to get some sleep.
People don’t work 24 hours a day.
-Vote spikes happened when the mail in vote (which was massive) began to be counted. The MAGA’s were threatening to bully people at the polls, so people simply voted absentee.
-No MAGA’S saw anything with their own eyes. Vote counting is done in private by County officials, far away from MAGA bullys.
“Rethink how an old white tired political hack who no one was excited about, who didn’t campaign, couldn’t draw even a crowd of a few hundred who lost double digits of black and Latino voters, who wrote the laws behind mass incarceration somehow beat Obama’s win.”
Joe didn’t need to campaign. The advice of political genius David Axelrod was all he needed.
“Let Trump Beat Trump”
Biden didn’t lose black and Latino voters. The Washington Examiner is an invalid source.
Highly Biased to the Right
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/washington-examiner/
Porter, your explanations of the “midnight shutdown” smacks too much of reality that the Trumpers will never understand it. But consider my county. The election officials in my county foresaw this midnight scenario, and made sure they had enough election officials to get the job done early on election night. This cost the county more money, but the officials thought it would solve the problem of Dane County coming in late and having all those Biden votes swing Wisconsin away from a Trump victory. Do you think that mattered to the Trumpers? Hell, no, it didn’t. They just thunk up different reasons for why Dane County voters should be disenfranchised. People who are convinced of their righteousness don’t ever admit they are mistaken. Hickey and other Trumpers worship and orange idol, and whatever it takes to push their fraud is what they do. No amount of reality will correct that. It’s a religious cult.
Here is a short video with a list of the weapons Jan 6th tourists had at insurrection. Listen to magat pols lie about the insurrection.
https://youtu.be/VASZIGd-yIg
Chemo Brain explained …
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/chemo-brain/symptoms-causes/syc-20351060
Yet you strongly oppose a forensic audit which in theory would easily vindicate your statements. Not good enough for many of us. Adios, partisans.
The audits have already happened.
The election is over and certified.
The Big Lie is all that’s remaining …
I plan to ignore Mr. Hickey’s posts. He has used up all his opportunities to keep me interested with his mean-spirited looney posts. And he has received much more attention than he deserves. (Stop it!) He came to stir the pot and he did. I believe in freedom of speech but I also believe in freedom to ignore falsehoods and lunacy.
I have a lengthy post , replete with sources, addressing Hickey’s claims, but Cory’s ridiculous filters are keeping it hidden. This sort of moderation policy actively discourages people from providing sources for their claims, Cory. You need to fix this.
I am in favor of forensic audits of all magat brains, and Hickey can be the first in line for this event which should prove once and for all magats aren’t human.
Isn’t it telling drumpfers are the ones demanding mail in votes be counted last after repeatedly telling their voters not to use mail-ins, then whined when the late counted ballots heavily favored Biden?
ABOUT THE DEBUNKED ANTRIM COUNTY “FORENSIC AUDIT” REPORT
A hand count of paper ballots in Antrim County, Michigan, verified the accuracy of election results for the 2020 election, thereby refuting viral claims from a severely flawed report alleging that Dominion Voting Systems software used in the county was “intentionally and purposefully designed with inherent errors to create systemic fraud and influence election results.”
This report contributed to the ongoing malicious and widespread disinformation campaign aimed at eroding confidence in results of the 2020 presidential election. Its claims about “massive fraud” were produced by a biased, non-independent organization called Allied Security Operations Group (ASOG). The report was immediately flagged by Michigan’s chief state election official and attorney general as lacking credibility (Dec. 14, 2020) following its release.
FACT CHECK: An independent state analysis report has thoroughly debunked the flawed ASOG report and demonstrated its clear lack of “credible statistical analysis,” and a general lack of understanding regarding voting systems technology. A Michigan Secretary of State press release adds that the analysis “affirmed there was no credible evidence the Dominion system was deliberately designed to induce errors, and found the Allied Security Operations Group report contained an extraordinary number of false, inaccurate or unsubstantiated statements.” (March 26, 2021)
FACT CHECK: The origin of the ASOG report tracks to founder Russ Ramsland, a Deep State conspiracy theorist who mistook locations in Minnesota for Michigan jurisdictions and falsely claimed in an affidavit that voter turnout in Detroit was 139.29% and turnout in North Muskegon was an eye-popping 781.97%. [In reality, turnout was 50.88% and 78.11%, respectively.]
FACT CHECK: The State of Michigan’s December 2020 audit verified the county’s presidential election results, in which Donald Trump beat Joe Biden by nearly 3,800 votes. A core issue behind the disinformation aimed at Antrim County was confirmed to be a human error in reporting unofficial election results – which was immediately corrected by the county. (Nov. 7, 2020)
FACT CHECK: Dominion, the State of Michigan, and the State’s independent expert have debunked claims about adjudication made by ASOG’s team, all noting that Antrim County does not perform digital adjudication of ballots (the county manually reviews paper ballots). The state analysis adds: The 68% system error rate claim is “meaningless.” “The warning messages relate to benign instances where ballots did not feed into the scanner correctly and were ejected (“reversed”) for the voter to try again.” (March 26, 2021)
FACT CHECK: In a court filing, the Director of Michigan’s Bureau of Elections stated, “the [ASOG] report makes a series of unsupported conclusions, ascribes motives of fraud and obfuscation to processes that are easily explained as routine election procedures or error corrections, and suggests without explanation that elements of election software not used in Michigan are somehow responsible for tabulation or reporting errors that are either nonexistent or easily explained.” (Dec. 13, 2020)
FACT CHECK: Dominion Voting Systems CEO John Poulos refuted the report’s flawed claims under oath in testimony before Michigan’s Senate Oversight Committee on December 15, 2020, noting:
Michigan doesn’t use Ranked Choice Voting
Antrim County does not use modems.
There was no digital adjudication of votes in Antrim County.
No votes were “switched” by “software glitches” in Antrim County.
Antrim County has a paper ballot record for every vote cast on a Dominion machine.
Porter is right again. The recounts, the lawsuits, the lies have all been dealt with. The election is over. Biden won. Live with it, or leave the country.
In related election news, Arizona SOS derclared Arizona needs new ballot machines as magats gave custody of them to magat hired morons and Arizona can’t take chance on reusing them.
https://news.yahoo.com/maricopa-county-voting-machines-gops-231624512.html
Your party claimed election interference and a stolen election from 2016-2020. Cities burned. Endless attempts/witch hunts to find a crime came up empty. But now it’s live with it or leave. No court looked at evidence. No discovery was granted. A thousand legal depositions were ignored. No forensic audit was conducted. The math doesn’t add up. We are simply told to believe and we are vilified if we don’t. And many sheep do follow right along with what they are told. 11/3 is the date this country became a captured operation.
Bull, no audit was conducted. There have now been three audits in Maricopa County alone. Stop lying. The math does add up. Stop lying. The vast majority of cases brought by Trump and his ilk re: the election took great pains to avoid even alleging fraud. Stop lying. Even Trump’s DOJ, led by Bill Barr, have acknowledged that they investigated the claims of widespread election fraud and did not find evidence of it. STOP. LYING.
I don’t know why your sanctimonious butt thinks it is ok to spread bs, but I am pretty sure a man of faith should try to do better. So, please, stop lying.
I am with WillyNilly….
But I do agree with one thing Hickey says. I quote him…. “My health is bad”
Thats obvious.
Hickey has morphed into Larry Klayman, the worst lawyer ever next to the ones drumpf hired.
Hickey is tasting the intoxicating fragrance of sour grapes.
Hickey, try to keep up. Russian interference in the 2016 election is well established fact. Countless Republicans admitted it, including the Republican-led Senate Intelligence Committee. You can claim it’s a witch hunt, but it was your party and relevant parts of the Trump Administration that agreed the Russians interfered in the 2016 election.
Cities burned. Yes, they did. A few Black Lives Matter protesters got out of hand, although most of the protests were peaceful. I have to point out police caught a right-wing Trump supporter setting fires in north Minneapolis. In Madison, WI, where I live, a known Trump supporter was caught kicking in windows of State Street buildings.
Courts didn’t look at evidence because Trump failed to present any; they didn’t present evidence, because they didn’t have any; they didn’t have any, because none existed. Trump’s attorneys never alleged any fraud. Even in my county, where they recounted the vote, they never said that the ballots they objected to were cast fraudulently. They just said there were some paperwork errors, and, when it was all totaled up, Trump lost more votes than Biden. There were no legal depositions. You must mean they had a few affidavits. Some of those affidavits were found to be fraudulent, or simply mistaken. One account of suspected fraud happened in a Republican election official’s office, when they threw out some ballots mistakenly. A specific report that the Post Office dumped Trump ballots at the request of a supervisor were found to be false.
There were recounts, which are the legal way to assess and decide close elections. Trump and his attorneys were part of every recount, He had access to courts to bring up his legal points, which were decided against him. That is our system, Steve: the rule of law, not some audit run by pretend Ninjas. If you don’t like our system of government and the rule of law, move elsewhere.
Steve, the math adds up to this: Trump lost fair and square. You have presented no evidence here. None. You don’t show us where one vote was taken from Trump or given to Biden, let alone the number required to change the electoral vote win by Biden.
This isn’t about belief. It’s about our system of government and the rule of law. We had an election. We decided the winner. It’s over. 11/3 was the date Americans went to the polls and voted. We elected the President we wanted. If you can’t handle that, move elsewhere.
And, get some counselling. You need help.
Steve Hickey-why don’t you just shut the f–k up and crawl back in your smelly hole? You and yours have nothing of consequence to consider when all you can blather is bull-s—t! I guess, tho, that when one is as full of BS as you it would be difficult to see or speak anything but!!
Mr. Hickey seems to have slipped into the brain-stifling mire of QAnon and joined those addled souls doing the audit in Maricopa County Arizona. The insane are organizing. Begin with the denial that Jan. 6 was not an insurrection. An insurrection is fairly simple to define. “A violent uprising against an authority or government.” This was an insurrection to prevent Congress from certifying an election. It was violent as weapons were used on the Capitol Police. Mr. Hickey tries to resort to personal history by saying he has witnessed true insurrection and this event was Sunday School picnic. The problem is that Jan. 6 was the first time in American history that a mob attacked the Capitol itself to interfere with a specific Congressional proceeding. Of course, if there was violence, it was done by left wing thugs shipped in by unknown Democrats, and the investigation that has produced 400+ arrests still has not identified those left-wing perpetrators. It was an insurrection. It had the approval of the then-president and his lackeys, such as Mr. Hickey. There was a fatality. A Capitol policeman shot a woman among a group of people coming through a broken window to invade the Capitol. That women’s death was unwarranted. Meanwhile, those nasties who set fire to government buildings have no business protesting the deaths of the many black people executed by our government forces.
Mr. Hickey says he is in Alaska in poor health. Yes, Mr. Hickey, the state of your mental health is evident in your comments. The disease that possesses the Trumpets is apparently communicable. We hope you find better health through isolation in Alaska.
Here are some facts on possible cases of “voter fraud” in Wisconsin, as identified by county election officials as required by state law. Most of these county election officials, by the way, are Republicans. Please note these are not actual cases of voter fraud. These are irregularities that indicate to local election officials there could be voter fraud, and require additional investigation.
There were 27 statewide cases of possible fraud, orders or magnitude below the number alleged by the Trumpistas. An AP article (linked below) breaks them down as follows:
“More than half of the total cases, 16 of 27, were people in the city of La Crosse whose registered address was at a UPS Store. State law requires voters to be registered at their residential address. The clerk sent those voters a letter giving them 30 days to register at a residential address for future elections.
“Of the 11 other cases: four people voted both in person and absentee; one was a convicted felon; one was an absentee ballot returned by the son of the person who requested it and who voted in person; three people voted in two places; one person returned two absentee ballots; and one person had been adjudicated incompetent and wasn’t allowed to cast a ballot.”
Facts are difficult things if you are hanging your argument on lies.
Link to above article:
https://madison.com/wsj/news/local/govt-and-politics/27-possible-voter-fraud-cases-out-of-3-3-million-wisconsin-ballots/article_bdee976e-114b-5fcc-be78-03558d4ed250.html#tracking-source=home-trending