I know y’all want to talk impeachment, so for now, focus that conversation on this thread, and keep the others clean.
But before you make any further comments, be sure to review former National Security Council official Dr. Fiona Hill’s testimony today, which in three minutes blows up any defense Republicans might make for Donald Trump’s abuse of power in forking our diplomacy into a scheme to forward his personal political fortunes… an impeachable plot on which Trump, Chief of Staff Mulvaney, Secretary of State Pompeo, and then-National Security Advisor Bolton were fully briefed:
That a brilliant, well-educated, unflappable woman finishes off Donald Trump is just how this story should end. It’s also nice that, as a bonus, this Russian history expert tells the desperate Republicans conspiracy theorists on the House Intelligence Committee to their faces that they are Russian dupes:
“Some of you on this committee appear to believe that Russia and its security services did not conduct a campaign against our country—and that perhaps, somehow, for some reason, Ukraine did,” Hill said. “This is a fictional narrative that has been perpetrated and propagated by the Russian security services themselves. The unfortunate truth is that Russia was the foreign power that systematically attacked our democratic institutions in 2016.”
Hill was just getting started. Reading in a firm voice from her opening statement, she went on to say that Russia’s goal was to weaken the United States, partly by sowing internal dissent. “President Putin and the Russian security services operate like a super PAC,” she said. “They deploy millions of dollars to weaponize our own political opposition research and false narratives. When we are consumed by partisan rancor, we cannot combat these external forces as they seek to divide us against each other, degrade our institutions, and destroy the faith of the American people in our democracy.” Hill also repeated the warning that Robert Mueller delivered during his testimony to Congress, in July, and she coupled that warning with another about the useful idiots inside the United States who, deliberately or not, serve to further Russia’s goals. “Russia’s security services and their proxies have geared up to repeat their interference in the 2020 election,” she said. “We are running out of time to stop them. In the course of this investigation, I would ask that you please not promote politically driven falsehoods that so clearly advance Russian interests” [John Cassidy, “The Extraordinary Impeachment Testimony of Fiona Hill,” The New Yorker, 2019.11.21].
I don’t think there’s anything left to say but “Aye” to impeachment by the House, “Aye” to conviction in the Senate, and goodbye to Trump from the White House. But the floor is yours….
BOOM!
I watched some of her testimony live. Dr. Hill’s command of facts, her intelligence, her focus on her responsibilities is really outstanding. She is indeed a patriotic American who, by her very presence, makes it clear that the GOP interlocutors are not.
Traitor trump is toast. The witnesses, including this one, have made it clear that Traitor trump is just that. Any GOP reps or senators who vote against his impeachment are saying they put themselves above this beautiful nation.
I wish she could run for President. I don’t think Trump would show up for a debate.
Seems a tad upset that President Trump set foreign policy. Buggers.
Trump should have fired them and been more ruthless with a bunch of do nothing nom noms.
House democrats were set on this impeachment vote before the Ukraine fishing expedition.
We all know why. It has nothing to do with Trump malfeasance.
It has everything to do with tyranny and attacking somebody they want to usurp, skulldug and idea-thieve.
Hill is more fit for the next Shrek movie than President or maybe queen mum.
This testimony is another whiff, an extension of the same legal abuse that has plagued the deep state since Bill made the Lolita Express his second home.
Lastly, Epstein did not kill himself.
That is all.
Along these lines, I wrote a note to our esteemed Senator, Smiley Rounds, about the antics of our Prez because he said, a few weeks ago, that he would not vote to impeach, This, BEFORE any testimony was heard. Got the reply yesterday. First sentence was, “The President and I don’t always agree but…,” and then a list of GOP talking points. I can’t get a reasonable response from any of our 3 Amigos and I am afraid to go to one of their offices because I don’t want a public disturbance arrest on my record! I am SO (!!!!) fed up with these guys and the whole GOP. What ever happened to Abe, Teddy, Ike, even Ron or H.W.? I try not to write anything I wouldn’t say to someone’s face. These !@#%^&* jokers are COWARDS!
That’s a fact Loren. They are cowards, as is most of the GOP in office now and their enablers. The decent people have already left because they couldn’t stand the stench.
There have actually been several outstanding witnesses, Dr. Hill being the latest. Sondland is not among them, though he did finally tell the truth when he realized his own butt was on the line. That’s usually how cowards function. No honor among thieves and so on.
https://twitter.com/GOPChairwoman/status/1197666278984552450
I believe ..
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1197705138275856384
For most of us, the deep state is not a laughing matter. Many have waited a long time for this moment.
https://twitter.com/JuneShellene/status/1197678127712890881
Wingnuts across the board demanded Dems release transcripts of behind closed door meetings that at least 47 wingnuts had seats at. Then Miss Lindsey Graham said he wouldn’t read them or watch any live testimony because nothing would stop him from protecting the criminal in the kremlin annex. Another wingnut senator said he wouldn’t watch or read because he was supposed to be impartial judge and didn’t want his mind biased.
Then the wingnut inquisitors went down every available Johnny Freud rabbit hole available to derail the hearings, so in total, you know how seriously wingnuts take their obligations according to the constitution.
Then you had drumpf everyday all day trying to influence testimony with tweets and attempting witness intimidation by lying about decorated government servants with decades of honorable service to their country. And finally there was all the questions regarding patriotic American loyalties when wingnuts, themselves, are doing Putin’s bidding.
drumpf easily deserves a second, albeit, legal term. This one of 20 years to life. He has clearly won this term.
Laurence tribe says drumpf has committed six impeachable offenses and lays them out.
https://www.rawstory.com/2019/11/trump-has-committed-6-impeachable-offenses-harvard-laws-laurence-tribe-says-the-evidence-is-all-there/
In an aside, pay no attention to any attempts to blow Russia investigatiion IG report on altered document into major bombshell.
“drumpf” – the anti-democracy dog whistle.
drumpf is his real name. German, like his dad’s birthplace.
drumpf – the neoliberal/neoconservative dog whistle.
That you would be using this surname in a respectful way defies your history of logical and rhetorical, slanderous malfeasance.
So Miss Lindsey is giving drumpf what he always wanted….
https://www.rawstory.com/2019/11/lindsey-graham-just-gave-trump-what-he-wanted-all-along-an-investigation-into-biden/
Too late to stop the train of impeachment. Drumpf violated his office powers and isn’t going to get a mulligan from Dems. This will be a Benghazi like attempt to smear Biden at best.
Drumpf is a public official. Can you prove malice on my part, Johnny dear?
You think Benghzi was a “smear”?
That’s rich.
Post using your real name .. does your boss know you’re writing this kind of propaganda?
Oh, wait ..
PS – I guess I was right a couple of days ago .. I see you found a source. Congrats!
You could have just read John Dale and saved yourself some damage to the reputation.
To quote the Dixie Chicks, “.. the tables have turned ..”
Also today, the FBI agent that fabricated the FISA warant precursor is *ahem* coming under scrutiny.
If you want to know what’s going to drive what unfolds in the next 10 months, there are two authors you should pay attention to ..
George Papadopoulos and Dan Bongino.
But, if some folks will want to be an ostrich I’ll understand ..
I think this has the potential to be very embarrassing for folks, and I’ve taken copious notes on some of my favorite posts here to read as hate mail, and as a reminder in case things don’t end-up where you’ve predicted I can provide a reminder for future predictions.
:D
America-hating and/or being super gullible is obnoxious.
#trumptrain
#walkaway
In a ‘normal’ world, Ms Hill’s testimony should be the nail in the coffin. Her testimony, and much of the other witnesses’ testimony lays out a perfect case of corruption and a president who is abusing his power. (no Mr Dale, this wasn’t about foreign policy) To include Mr Trump’s one million dollar donor, Mr Sondland, who was put in his ambassador position as a ‘pay to play’ appointment. (oh boy, that swamp draining experiment is sure going well) Mr Sondland’s testimony was also damning, for those not content with continuing to put their heads in the sand. You can’t exactly call Mr Sondland a ‘never Trumper’.
But we don’t live in a ‘normal’ world anymore. With this administration, up is down and black is white. The ends justify the means. Conspiracy theories are the way to go. The party of ‘law and order’, appears to approve of zero law and order. The party that would never have played footsies with foreign adversaries, looks the other way when Trump does it.
Scary times we live in when people are supporting this type of behavior. When we have people in power giving tacit approval to it all while the reputation and strength of this great country is being diminished. These folks just standing by and letting it happen.
Scary times when some of the very same lawmakers (and this party) voted to impeach a president who lied about a sex act —– well, I’ll stop there
Ms Hill was sounding the siren, loud and clear. As strong as this case is, unfortunately, the lap dogs and sychopants, who only care about their own self advancement — don’t give a rip about this country
Yeah, Benghazi hearings were to smear HRC and nothing moar.
From Vox…..During an appearance on Sean Hannity’s Fox News show, McCarthy bragged that the House GOP’s investigation into the Benghazi attack had made Hillary Clinton’s poll numbers plummet. Furthermore, he presented it as part of a “strategy to fight and win,” rather than a nonpartisan effort to find the truth.
In order to believe anything you say, I’d have to totally ignore the truth.
Also today, the FBI agent that fabricated the FISA warant precursor is *ahem* coming under scrutiny.
Been debunked. Low level attorney altered one irrelevant document that had no bearing on FISA warrant and the guy no longer works for the FBI.
Do try to keep up. ps I don’t respond to juvie threats.
The Trump collaborators will not let any rule of law be used to remove their chosen criminal from office. The World War II Museum asks the question “How did Hitler happen?” and answers it with the documents of war. However, the Trump collaborators are putting on a pageant in real time that recreates the process. Since Trump took office he has been ordered by the courts to pay some restitution to the victims of two of his frauds, Trump University and the Trump Foundation, both of which have been banned by the courts from any re-emergence. This fact, his 15,345 documented falsehoods uttered in office up to last month, his outpourings of malice on Twitter and elsewhere, and his entire life, about which one of his biographers said it is impossible to find an act of decency, proves to the collaborators that they have found a leader who speaks for them.
Dr. Hill’s intelligence and forthrightness only makes her candidate for the verbal gas oven, in the minds of the collaborators. A New York Times columnist analyzes the circumstance:
“The Ukraine scandal now unfolding in congressional impeachment hearings has at its core a Shakespearean twist: President Trump, abetted by his paladins of spin, has trapped himself in an alternate universe. To undermine the well-established fact that Russia corrupted the 2016 vote to help him win, Mr. Trump and his allies have tried to build a fiction that pins those crimes on Ukraine.
In so doing, he has confirmed our darkest fears.
“The president’s bid to solicit foreign help to impugn a domestic political rival in 2019 should wipe away any doubts about his willingness to do the same with Russian help in 2016.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/22/opinion/trump-ukraine-russia.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage
There is a large portion of the population, the collaborators, who prefer to live in a world composed of malicious fabrication about immigrants, liberals, and outspoken women rather than one filled with all that striving for freedom, equality, and justice for all. That’s how Trump happened.
Agreed, 100%. Fiona Hill’s testimony should be the nail in the coffin. (so proud that she and other career employees are standing the wall, proud and strong)
Mr Sondland’s testimony should also be a nail in the coffin. A million dollar donor to Trump’s inaugural, hand-picked for an ambassador-ship, isn’t exactly a never-Trumper (how is that swamp draining experiment going?)
Unfortunately, as of the Trump election, we don’t live in a ‘normal’ world. Up is down, black is white. All accepted by the GOP and Trump supporters. The party that used to call themselves the party of ‘law and order’, now stand by and look the other way as the stench of corruption is heavy. The party that never would have seen itself being cordial with foreign adversaries, now gives tacit approval when Trump plays footsies with murderous dictators (invites them into OUR White House!) The party, and some of the same lawmakers, who voted to impeach a president for lying about a sex act…….now support the charlatan and con man in the White House and see nothing wrong with abuse of power by this guy. Black and white, flat out, no doubt about it – corruption/abuse of power.
While Ms Fiona’s testimony should be a nail in the coffin, for ANY president, I am skeptical that anything will happen. Lawmakers who know what they are seeing is wrong, they just don’t care. They are only interested in their own self-advancement. Putting that and their re-election ahead of the best interests of this country.
It is all such a disgrace.
Can’t remember where I read this, but it is true. It is without question that Mr Trump committed impeachable offenses.
Now, the question is…are Republicans going to say it is ok to have a president is above the law?
Unfortunately, my optimism is not very high.
John Dale is a Russian dupe?????
Deep state? Sondland is a member of the “deep state”?
NRA filtered a LOT of Russian rubles into GOP campaign coffers from 2014 on. THAT is why they have changed FEC rules @ investigation into NRA finances. THAT is why they NEED to defend Trump (actually – their own cash stream). The entire GOP has become an arm of the Putin government. THAT is the real crime here.
Apparently, John Dale is the comic relief corner of this excellent blog.
Anyone have a good John Dale filter?
2 big thumbs up for Debbo’s comments and also for Loren’s “Smiley Rounds” nickname, and also for the comment about the “comic relief corner.” There’s no excuse for being a Trump-lover. Everything about our “raisings” in middle-America tells us to disbelieve snake-oil salesman, and trump is the all-time king of snake-oil salesmen. If trump were not representing one party, everyone in America would just laugh at him. Conservatives would laugh the hardest.
And, Cory, are you a football fan? If so, you know that when an announcer tells us “This kicker hasn’t missed a kick since way back when Jesus was in short robes,” the kicker inevitably misses. What I’m saying is, we’ve thought trump was done for a long time now, but apparently there’s a part of this turkey down by the ribcage that didn’t get as thoroughly thawed out as the rest of the bird, and I won’t believe the meat thermometer till it says 170 degrees in every part of the turkey. I won’t believe that schlump has resigned until I see him waddle onto Marine One.
Besides, in all seriousness, Trump WILL be impeached but the fix is totally in, in the Senate. It will take a near-miracle to get the Senate to convict him. I still say that some sort of deal to keep his taxes hidden in exchange for his resignation is the only way he will be out before January 2021. But thanks for the pleasant headline and the respect for the absolutely heroic Fiona Hill.
Loren – resorting to censorship.
*golf clap*
I’m fully here:
“Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.” — Nietzsche
“I won’t believe the meat thermometer till it says 170 degrees in every part of the turkey” — very nicely stated.
I’m the same way, but I’ve been in the loop on the FISA stuff for nearly three years now (Dan Bongino’s book).
The fix was in early ..
Today, President Trump not only wants a hearing, he says the Treason goes to Obama.
Without *ahem* “friendly” control of witnesses in the Senate, the Bidens get drawn-in, and an intel/state “network” will get rounded-up and prosecuted for conspiracy/treason.
It’s a honey pot for Schiff, who just doesn’t want anybody to see the videos of him at Ed Buck’s place.
What a mess.
I want Congress to get back to work for/with The American people who elected them.
The COG/deep state is a failed experiment! No amount of reverse psychology, hand waiving, or political judo will change it.
Wait for it, Johnny Fried, wait for it….. here it comes…. Overall, we rate Bongino.com Questionable based on far right wing bias, promotion of propaganda and unproven conspiracies, as well as a complete lack of transparency and a few failed fact checks.
From Media Bias Fact check.
What did you think of Bongino’s book?
I’ll bet you a salad at Millstone that you didn’t read it, and you’re just defraying and hand waiving the most popular conservative blog in america from a former Secret Service agent that has more credibility than either of us.
*slow clap*
If you have a legitimate point to make, do it without using buzzwords and derogatory names. Otherwise what ever you have to say isn’t worth reading. You wonder why no one takes you seriously it’s because you can’t even communicate in an effective manner.
Stop calling The president Drumpf and his supporter drumfies and trumpettes and trumpeters and cult members.
This is de-humanizing language it is the first stage the military uses to condition soldiers to then kill the enemy.
If you think people who voted for Trump are your enemy, you’re not Americans and this country will not survive another 20 years.
If you think this country’s survival is more important than 1 or 2 terms of a president you dislike, suck it up and start treating your fellow Americans the way they deserve.
No one treated you like that for supporting Obama, because most people are intelligent enough to understand his time as executive was limited.
If you think trump is a bad president, put up a candidate that can beat him and stop trying to win with deceitful tactics.
The reason the Democrats are going to lose 2020 is because you have a fantasy agenda that most Americans disagree with and your party is corrupt to the core.
The financial state of the state party should be an indicator, open your eyes. Your party is bankrupt and the party policies will do the same to the country. You don’t have to be a rocket scientist to understand cause and effect.
This short clip is laughable. You thinking this will end Trumps Presidency is even more laughable. The left has completely done a 180 just because of Trump being elected. You used to be anti-war, you used to decry corruption, and scream for justice. All until trump came along. Then you showed your true colors.
You don’t want equality; you want superiority.
You aren’t anti-war; you just want to pic the wars.
You aren’t against corruption; you just want to run the Con-game.
You don’t want justice; you want to be above the law.
You aren’t fooling anyone; we can all see it.
That’s the problem when you start telling lies, pretty soon you believe your lies, but are ignorant to the fact no one else does.
Enjoy your echo chamber while it lasts.
Jason Hill – +1
*stands up, claps loudly, gives ‘the nod’*
https://youtu.be/8Fh6eLXGmog
Jason Hill, who the hell died and put you in charge of moderation? drumpf’s name is drumpf. Don’t lecture me or anyone on this site about name calling until you muzzle drumpf and good luck with. Are you another drumpfie? Or another fried Johnny and his debunked websites and no viable information. Long on accusations, short on truth.
Jason Hill has a strong opinion that differs from his, so psyche mikey can’t have that. Good job psyche, though, on stopping short of calling him a racist.
“The sham investigation is over. The REAL one, which will change world history, led by Durham is expanding in scope and resources as we speak. It’s global.” — George Papadopoulus
I like Cory .. like, a lot. It ain’t easy having opposing views around. What he’s done for free speech in SD is great, although I would understand if he tires of this process.
I would like to be talking about other issues right now, like the idiosyncrasies of H1B, EB5, USMCA – where we have some pretty significant overlap in areas of agreement.
I hope this will all be over soon and congress will get back to debating bills and budget.
At any rate, THREE CHEERS FOR FREE EXPRESSION WHEREVER YOU CAN FIND IT.
Hate to say it as deep blue as i am, he will never be impeached. Corruption is the new norm in the GOP party. Sad Day’s
“The sham investigation is over. The REAL one, which will change world history, led by Durham is expanding in scope and resources as we speak. It’s global.” — George Papadopoulus
Oh, great. Let’s waste more time, effort and taxpayer dollars on more Trump/Putin-inspired faked “investigations” that are really efforts at deflection from reality for the cult. Really, aren’t we all tired of the demented two amigos, Guilliani and Trump, circle jerking in the Oval Office, while our country descends into dysfunction?
Jason Hill spouts virtually the same talking points you can find on nearly any right wing Fake Noize outlet. Ain’t none of them true. Just more unfounded accusations he heard someone else spew.
As for getting back to opposing every point Cory makes, Johnny needs to avoid the numerous rabbit holes he invents to shake the truth off his tail.
Donald Pay – “Let’s waste more time, effort and taxpayer dollars on more Trump/Putin-inspired faked “investigations” that are really efforts at deflection from reality for the cult.”
Are you on record with this viewpoint regarding the Mueller investigation? :D
I think that if President Trump’s side doesn’t punch back, there will be a 4th impeachment attempt. In fact, we may need to spend money to make money on this one ..
I think we’ll see the Trump train go full steam ahead .. ramming speed .. he’s tried being reasonable and doing deals, and look where that got him.
Scott, wingnuts fear being primaried from the extreme right more than they fear voters when they don’t bother to consider evidence of proven criminal acts by this administration. Of course he won’t be removed. Miss Lindsey and others have already made that clear. Wingnuts met with drumpf trying to set a two week,at most, sham trial before setting drumpf free.
mike from iowa – “shake the truth off his tail”
As if to imply that the truth is down the rabbit hole, and that the truth is messy.
Describes the deep state to a T.
I’ll sprinkle a little truth to and fro mike since you might not have access to it otherwise.
:D
he’s tried being reasonable and doing deals, and look where that got him.
What bulloney. You got drumpf confused with the last legally elected Potus who was legally elected twice.
John Dale: “It ain’t easy having opposing views around.”
The problem is most of us are not interested in opposing views that aren’t based in reality. I like good honest argument, but I feel most posts from Mr. Dale are much too similar to what I used to experience talking the people who were on my mother’s memory unit. I do my best to tune out John Dale’s posts, because they are mostly fabrications of the Trump/Putin axis of evil. Every so often he makes some sense, but to get there he takes a random walk through dementia. Arguing with him and the Trump cult is not worth the effort because their views are not based on facts. Dear Leader can do no wrong to them, and broaching the slightest disagreement is cause for them to go on a pogrom.
One thing I’ve noticed is that what many of the cult project as “facts” are gleaned from righty websites. I reject those as facts. I’ve been through that cesspool from Reagan’s Presidency onward, and it is mostly its public relations work sponsored by various righty think tanks with quasi-political operations which are funded by righty billionaires. We also now have the Russians amplifying the disinformation campaign, or directing it themselves as the righty echo chamber amplifies Russian propaganda and disinformation. Let’s not forget we get blasted by the Trumpsters with links to Trump’s twitter account, as if Dear Leader, the most prolific liar in American history, should be counted on to give us the truth. Ha.
I know conspiracy theories also occur on the left. I remember a lot of stuff about the Tri-lateral Commission back in the 1970s and 80s, and that was largely bogus. And today the some of the Bernie folks and nearly all of the Gabbard and Stein supporters are really, really out there in the ozone layer along with John Dale. The facts these people bring forth are similarly suspect, and often they get them out of the loony right, or, now, from Russia.
At any rate, I think it is time to moderate some of the ridiculousness coming from some of the kooks. I, quite frankly, would like to see Cory ban links to Trump’s twitter account, as most of that is lies.
“There is a large portion of the population, the collaborators, who prefer to live in a world composed of malicious fabrication about immigrants, liberals, and outspoken women rather than one filled with all that striving for freedom, equality, and justice for all. That’s how Trump happened.”
Dr. Newquist sums it up so well. I suppose the only part to be grateful for is that the part of the population that supports Raving Ranter is 25%. That’s a lot, but still a clear minority.
I’m with Don in that I too, am not interested in opposing views that are not based in reality. One benefit of allowing comments based on lies is that it does clearly illustrate just how far divorced from truth they are.
As much as all of you want Trump impeached, it isn’t gonna happen. And the “supposed” conspiracy theory of Ukraine was reported IN POLITICO. Sure, Russia did election interfering but Ukraine tried to get Hillary elected.
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ukraine-sabotage-trump-backfire-233446
“fabrications of the Trump/Putin axis of evil”
This is an assumed premise that was disproven by the Mueller report.
President Trump wants good relations with Russia. Meth heads, apparently, have inflated the spirit and intent of this into some crazy theory.
Anything that depends on this premise can be ignored as baseless, IMHO.
“am not interested in opposing views that are not based in reality”
*facepalm*
You “just know” that President Trump is bad, which 63,000,000+ believe is not reality, and, in your opinion, have been duped.
Meanwhile, back at the sanity ranch, Kennedy was killed by multiple shooters.
Time to wake-up Austin Powers.
CIA is bad, mmmkay.
“Russia did election interfering but Ukraine tried to get Hillary elected”
Refreshing sanity and acknowledgement.
This whole thing was to renew the Patriot Act provisions that are unconstitutional and being used as a precursor to the impeachment in the first place.
What a isht show.
I believe that he’ll be impeached, Steve, but with McConnell and the GOP in charge, he won’t be removed from office. Just my guess, FWIW. That’s to say ZERO about guilt, which is all over the place, but won’t make any difference to the Guilty Old Party.
“Guilty Old Party.” 😊 I like that Robin.
Incidentally, despite dozens of Republican propaganda lies to the contrary in the last few days House Committee hearings, the Steele Dossier was paid for by Republicans, THEN perhaps by others. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/conservative-website-first-paid-fusion-gps-for-trump-research/2017/10/27/ee05c1d6-bb6f-11e7-9e58-e6288544af98_story.html
https://www.politico.com/news/2019/11/12/alexandra-chalupa-testify-impeachment-069817
This is two years newer than Pearson’s link and contradicts his bigly. UNSUBSTANTIATED CLAIMS< STEVE!
“Russia did election interfering but Ukraine tried to get Hillary elected”
Dare i say it? Total bullslop, Johnny B Bad.
1st things 1st good people. Impeach him. Then fight the Senate battle to convict on impeachment. Then deal with his replacement. Then vote the remaining Republican bastards out with a sweeping 2020 election. History will never forget Republican betrayal of the nation.
There are surely Republicans of good conscience but only 1 or 2 have spoken out. BIG GOVERNMENT is code to billionaires that they won’t have to pay progressive taxes, or any taxes at all with expensive legal/accounting scams that some tax havens (SD is the biggest) have legalized under cover.
National Memo published a Politico report that shows just how “partial” the Guilty Old Party is:
Many Senate Republicans have dodged questions about the impeachment inquiry into Donald Trump, saying that they are staying neutral because they will likely be “jurors” in any impeachment trial.
But according to a Politico report on Thursday, Trump has been hosting many of these same prospective “jurors” for a series of group lunches, part of an “intense outreach” in advance of possible impeachment.
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I believe Moscow Mitch has created ways to make most of the GOP senate complicit in his crooked dealings with Dishonest Doofus and Pootie. Thus their determination to subvert USA democracy. That and big, fat $$$$$$ bribes.
I’ve read the Mueller report. It does not “disprove” that the Trump-Russian axis existed. There was not enough evidence to bring charges. Why was that? Dear Leader is quite the Mafia don, and works through a network of intermediaries, just like his mentors in organized crime. One of those intermediaries, Roger Stone, a long-time Trump crony, was just convicted of lying to Congress about this very matter. Here’s how the links went: Putin to Russian intelligence agencies to other Russian controlled agencies to Wikileaks to Stone to Trump. You realize this part of the Mueller Report was heavily redacted to preserve the Stone matter. With Stone going to prison, we will get to see the underlying blacked out material soon.
drumpf lied 18 times in a 53 minute rant on Fake Noize today.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/22/politics/fact-check-trump-fox-and-friends-november/index.html
Funniest of all was drumpf’s recent claim from a visit to an Apple factory in Texas that opened in 2013, that he had just opened it up for business. Exec from Apple was there and did not correcdt drumpf’s lie until later.
Oh noes. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/22/us/politics/russia-investigation-inspector-general-report.html
Russia Inquiry Review Is Said to Criticize F.B.I. but Rebuff Claims of Biased Acts
A watchdog report will portray the pursuit of a wiretap of an ex-Trump adviser as sloppy, but it also debunks some accusations by Trump allies of F.B.I. wrongdoing.
Another right wing waste of taxpayer bucks, just like the next investigation of Biden’s ties to Burisma
Another in a long string of strikes against the troll.
The election of Trump broke a lot of Democratic minds. Now many of my fellow Democrats are pro-endless wars, pro-“free trade”, pro- Cold War, pro-CIA coups. Instead of opposing Trump on the issues the corporate Democratic establishment would rather focus on controlling Ukraine. It is a fitting conclusion to a failed resistance toward Trump. Brezinski (the founder of the Trilateral Commission and close advisor to Carter and Obama) considered control of the Ukraine essential in undermining Soviet influence in Eurasia.
Next round of impeachment hearings Dems want to go through the Mueller report for public dissemination. People that testified this week all said they were fighting rampant corruption in Ukraine. drumpf does not fight corruption. He is corruption. It is all he knows and is in e3very thing he does.
China bribed drumpf in broad daylight? https://the-immoral-minority.com/the-chinese-bribed-donald-trump-to-drop-sanctions-against-them/
You, based in reality, decide. Those out in drumpf lala land don’t bother.
Corruption in Ukraine? Hunter Biden was paid $50k a month by a Ukrainian energy corporation after his dad assisted in a coup. Now that is some grade A corruption! Trump is blatantly corrupt. Biden and his corporate Democratic friends are better at it.
John Dale wants the Congress to “get back to work”. FYI sir, CONGRESS has passed over 400 bills in the past year -99% of which sit STALLED by Moscow Mitch in the US Senate – with NO work being done on them. THERE, sir, ids where the work stoppage is occurring. Moscow Mitch and Lindsey the longer are the ones incapable of doing more to one thing (snuggling up to the Donald) at a time. meanwhile Congress investigates Trump’s treason and – AND – continues to pass more legislation.
Jason, there was no coup. Please don’t lie. If you don’t know recent Ukrainian history read up on it before you post.
Let’s kick drumpf some more. He has been caught withholding 100 million from Lebanon. Apparently he wants them to do the investigation into Burisma.
Jason you forgot the 16 million laundered through H Biden accounts in America that he was just about to get indicted for except it wasn’t true.
The next time drumpf fights corruption will be the first. Give up the fever dreams. Your side lost this battle bigly. Even Napolitano at Fake News says drumpf has committed at least 4 impeachable offenses, but what does he know. He is only a former judge.
Donald, unplug from corporate media and do some independent research. Here is a quick and dirty search to start you on your way …
https://popularresistance.org/chronology-of-the-ukrainian-coup/
More for Donald …
https://consortiumnews.com/2015/07/13/the-mess-that-nuland-made/
Jason Hill – you assert “You don’t want equality; you want superiority.” I ask, What does “Make America Great Again” connote to you? A desire for superiority? You are tripping through a hall of mirrors.
“If you have a legitimate point to make, do it without using buzzwords and derogatory names,” says Jason Hill, who uses that seemingly moral claim as an excuse to tune out the testimony of an intelligent and honest civil servant who did no such thing and who pointed out the grievous and harmful abuse of power executed by a politician who says nothing but buzzwords and derogatory names.
“buzzwords and derogatory names”
Cory uses some sharp ideas and is clearly partisan and has taken sides, but I’ve never felt like he was attacking or defaming; very professional and annoyingly good writer/blogger. He’s obnoxious! ;)
More on the Ukraine coup
https://popularresistance.org/the-big-lie-in-the-us-backed-ukraine-coup-wheres-us-media/
Donald Trump created a separate foreign policy stream, a separate channel of contact with a foreign government to serve his personal domestic political interests. That separate channel undermined the ability of our real diplomatic corps to do its job and support our national interest in Ukraine. That separate channel thus served the interests of our rival in the region.
Impeach that.
Don’t talk conspiracy theories. Don’t talk wishes. Don’t talk partisan calculations. Talk facts. Trump is acting against the interest of the United States, against the interest of an important ally, for the interest of an expansionist dictator, and for his own reëlection. You can’t deny that; you are stuck defending it, and defending requires surrendering one’s integrity and patriotism for the sake of a cult of personality built around a moral failure.
Years from now, I will not have to hang my head in shame when my grandkids ask me what I said and did during the impeachment of Donald J. Trump.
The U.S. has a long history of overthrowing sovereign states. Here is an incomplete list. Donald needs to study history before he lectures the rest of us …
https://williamblum.org/essays/read/overthrowing-other-peoples-governments-the-master-list
leslie – I wasn’t able to read that article.
Steele and Fusion GPS .. I’d like to examine if there is some nuance to the claim. Like perhaps it was paid and unrelated to the dossier.
The precursor for pee gate was well known and has been for a long time.
I have to keep reminding myself that these are the same people that killed Kennedy and got away with it, so…
“Many Senate Republicans have dodged questions about the impeachment”
As long as both sides can call witnesses, I’ll be happy with the outcome.
“With Stone going to prison, we will get to see the underlying blacked out material soon”
If Stone goes to prison, it will be because it helps President Trump get reelected.
Impeach Trump for separating kids from their parents at the border. Impeach Trump for violations of the Emoluments Act.
Impeach Trump for attempting to coup Venezuela.
Nope. The Democratic leadership is okay with all that. Instead they impeach Trump for withholding military aid from the Ukaraine. That tells you the priorities of Nancy Pelosi and her corporate donors. They must have Ukraine at all costs. They must extend American hegemony onto the doorstep of Russia even if it brings us to the brink of a nuclear war.
Cory – “Trump is acting against the interest of the United States, against the interest of an important ally”
This is an opinion.
The US is a tapestry of opinions .. opposition to US “interests” in this context could be construed from any quarter.
POTUS sets policy .. doesn’t matter what the previous guy wanted or did or left behind.
I see this as the problem .. Obama’s network wasn’t happy President Trump is undoing what the people who elected him want him to undo.
Cory said, “Years from now, I will not have to hang my head in shame when my grandkids ask me what I said and did during the impeachment of Donald J. Trump.”
CIRD says, “Cory, those who defend him now will defend him in the future. They have already proven they don’t have the capacity to assess evidence. There won’t be any more head-hanging in that sector in the future than there is right now.”
You knock 10 of Johnny Fried’s conspiracies down and he comes back with 12 more and carries on like they weren’t proven false.And now he has a new recruit to play the games with him.
“CNN is learning that Democrats are looking at multiple Articles of Impeachment against President Trump. they include abuse of power, obstruction of Congress, obstruction of justice, and bribery,” CNN’s Erin Burnett reported.
This is what the hordes of trolls here are fighting to save……..In a Friday interview on “Fox & Friends,” President Donald Trump admitted to holding up military aid to Ukraine to pressure the government to investigate a baseless conspiracy theory about Ukrainian election interference and Democratic collusion.
In other words, Trump acknowledged doing the very thing he has repeatedly denied and could be impeached for.
From….https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-admits-to-ukraine-military-aid-quid-pro-quo-tv-2019-11
It took Dale most of his life to be brainwashed by the Russian propaganda, he will never change. https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=212&v=bX3EZCVj2XA&feature=emb_title
No coup in Ukraine. That’s Putin disinformation. Read some real history.
“House Intelligence Committee staffers have been drafting a report that they plan to deliver to Judiciary in the next few weeks that lays out their case for impeachment, sources tell Axios.
“It will also lay out their recommendations for next steps.
Republican staffers are working on a report of their own, GOP aides say, and will likely release it once Democrats publish theirs.”
The GOP “report” will sound even goofier than Dale and Jason. In addition, it will include plenty of name calling and juvenile silliness.
The Democratic Report will include facts gleaned from sworn witnesses and US intelligence. Only this one will have any credibility.
“Some Democrats on the Intelligence Committee want to continue investigating the president — on Ukraine and other matters — even after the inquiry is passed over to Judiciary.
” ‘There was more on our plate before Ukraine,’ Rep. Jackie Speier (D-Calif.) told Axios. ‘The foreign influence into our national elections is real and it’s compelling and it’s frightening.’ ”
Mike Allen, Axios
Y’all remember Rep. Speier? She’s the heroic woman who was shot 5 times rescuing people from Jim Jones and the Jonestown Massacre. Bloviating Bully, Moscow Mitch and the gang ain’t gonna scare her. She ain’t scared o’ nothin’.
While Lindsay, Thin, Scalise, Nunes and other GOP desperately clutch their pearls, Rep. Speier strides forward, head up, unflinching. What a hero worthy of admiration!
This link explains the Russian disinformation campaign about and the real history of the 2014 Ukrainian protests (not coup, Jason). Jason had posted Russian disinformation above.
https://www.polygraph.info/a/ukrainian-maidan-was-not-a-coup/29098965.html
GOP and Rigged Rapist “rig” impeachment trial before it happens:
News from The Washington Post that top White House officials held a clandestine meeting Thursday with Republican Senators to map out a plan to limit the Senate impeachment trial while President Trump has been secretly “courting” Senate Republicans in an effort to gauge and gain their loyalty has many angered and alarmed.
Republicans appear to not have grasped this fact, not the gravity of their constitutional duties.
Many Americans are growing angered as a result. Some are calling the Senate impeachment trial “rigged” before it has even begun. Others are pointing out that this is akin to jurors meeting with the “defendant to discuss how long they think they have to let the trial go on.”
is.gd/SIJE0v
Republicans: [denounce entirely routine closed-door depositions]
Also Republicans: [meet behind closed doors with Trump to discuss strategy for trial in which they themselves will be the jurors]
https://t.co/I8k1O0uNO8
GOP and Rigged Rapist are crystal clear that they don’t give a damn about the USA and our democratic republic. They have declared themselves The Enemy.
(No, Dale and Jason, not every damn GOPer, but all the participants in this usurpation.)
This morning on Fox and Friends our President continued his criticism of the woman who served as ambassador to Ukraine. In addition to the juvenile-level ranting we’ve come to expect (calls her a “bad” person, etc.) he noted that this woman even refused to put up his photo in the embassy. He made that point three times, I think. He used that situation as more fuel for his dismissal of this woman as a never-Trumper or a Clinton loyalist, or whatever his label was, I can’t exactly recall. Point is, we learned later in the day that the reason she didn’t put up a photo of the president was because the Trump administration didn’t provide a photo to the embassy for many months, maybe more than a year. Other embassies indicated they had the same challenge. So, once again the President misinterpreted reality. He tried to spin the situation to suit his own needs. Like he does on a regular basis. The trouble is the president of our nation is not trustworthy. His word is unreliable. He lies frequently. I don’t understand why more Republicans have not grown exasperated with this troubling situation. When Trump was first asked about the famous meeting with Russians in Trump Tower he lied about it. It goes on and on, almost dizzying is his ongoing trail of lies.
I just don’t like a person that lies everyday. He has hung out with mobsters most of his life. Doesn’t seem to want anyone to see his taxes. Dodged the draft and whines and cries more then any president I have ever seen. If he doesn’t do himself in and somehow manages to get elected to a second term I can’t imagine it being good for our country. In the end it might be John Bolton of all people that ends up taking Trump down.
I listened to the clip in the link you posted. All she said was that Sondland was working on an issue that she didn’t have anything to do with and that really annoyed her. She doesn’t offer any evidence to clarify what, exactly, Sondland was doing, what he was reporting back to Trump; all she had knowledge of was that they were doing something and she wasn’t in the loop. And then she surmised it was a domestic political issue.
Basically what she said was “I didn’t know what he was doing, he wasn’t working with me, but now I think it was a domestic political
Issue.” This was the conclusion she reached after watching him testify on Wednesday,
Who cares how brilliant and articulate she is? She indicated she had no direct knowledge of what Sondland was doing.
Sondland didn’t know what he was doing, either. He submitted a 23 page prepared statement about how yes, there was a quid pro quo, everybody knew about it, then he testified that nobody told him that, he only presumed it. Great. What was his mission, a figment of his imagination? He PRESUMED there was a quid pro quo? Was his prepared statement written or edited by somebody else and he didn’t read it?
Watching him I decided he’s one of those people who is so eager to please he tells everybody he deals with what they want to hear. When a contradiction is revealed, he is baffled by an accusation of lying, because his intent was to please, not deceive.
Whatever, it was Sondland’s perjury or testimony (pick one) which caused Hill to SURMISE that Sondland was working on a domestic political issue.
That isn’t evidence of anything.
Anne, your hero, Liar-in-Chief, admitted the whole thing again later in the afternoon. He’ll probably deny it a few hours later. That’s Demented Donny.
CIRD – “They have already proven they don’t have the capacity to assess evidence”
This is bigoted, subjective, biased, and absurd.
jerry – “It took Dale most of his life to be brainwashed by the Russian propaganda, he will never change”
This is a doltish statement. What do you know about my upbringing, really?
It’s too early for sour grapes, people.
You got the Patriot Act. Now, quit with the act.
Debbo – “goofier than Dale and Jason”
Another personal attack in stead of facts, logic, and information.
“Only this one will have any credibility.”
Because you waive your hands and say so?
“foreign influence into our national elections”
I love it.
This is being red pilled.
The Neos want the Patriot Act, they want you to think they haven’t been watching and influencing our country all along.
All of a sudden – just like that – the birth of a Nationalist!
Debbo – “Rigged Rapist”
Stay classy, Debbo.
“I just don’t like a person that lies everyday”
Methinks they doth protest his lies too much.
Debbo – “Demented Donny”
Way to elevate the discourse, Debbo.
It takes a lot of effort for people like Anne Beal and John Dale to make excuses not to see the plain truth in front of them. Denying reality will wear you down.
John. You’re smarter than to group yourself with conspiracy theorists. Maybe just take the day and come up with an inner, original thought; then keep it to yourself. You’ll raise your self esteem above the common.
No one or group is out to get you. They’re just like you. Spending 95% of their day thinking about themselves.
https://the-immoral-minority.com/us-intelligence-experts-briefed-republicans-in-the-senate-that-the-kremlin-was-behind-allegations-of-ukraine-meddling-congressional-republicans-spread-conspiracy-theory-anyway/
In a briefing that closely aligned with Dr. Hill’s testimony, American intelligence officials informed senators and their aides in recent weeks that Russia had engaged in a yearslong campaign to essentially frame Ukraine as responsible for Moscow’s own hacking of the 2016 election, according to three American officials. The briefing came as Republicans stepped up their defenses of Mr. Trump in the Ukraine affair. (from above link)
President Trump Impeachment Coup Update https://larouchepac.com/20191123/president-trump-impeachment-coup-update-november-23-2019
Fake News, Ron. like usual. You have no idea what a coup is. I stomached about three minutes of the total bs. Fake Noize might just as well put this out. It sounds like their total lack of reality.
The World Olympic Committee realizes that Russia cheats and is banning the country from the next Olympic Games. America’s Republicans will swallow anything to protect their President.
PS … Tom Brady told the ball boy to deflate the footballs in cold weather. Boston fans don’t believe that, either.
Chubby is a Russian asset. Look what he says about wanting out of NATO, all for Putin. Javelin missiles, 100’s of miles away from the fight in Ukraine so they don’t shoot down a Russian aircraft. Chubby is Russia.
Mr. Wieczorek, you are indeed one of the best hat-wearers of those who are insaner than most.
Nunes is a Russian asset as well according to testimony. The dude that sits in judgement at the impeachment is a co conspirator.
“Lev Parnas, one of the two indicted associates to Rudy Giuliani, says Rep. Devin Nunes (R-CA) met with an ousted Ukrainian official in an effort to dig up dirt on 2020 candidate Joe Biden, according to Parnas’ lawyer.
“Mr. Parnas learned from former Ukrainian Prosecutor General Victor Shokin that Nunes had met with Shokin in Vienna last December,” Joseph Bondy, Parnas’ lawyer, told CNN on Friday.
The attorney also told CNN that Parnas helped Nunes contact Ukrainians in the congressman’s efforts to find damaging information on Biden.”
Kinda makes one wonder what Stretch Thune was doing in Russia over the 4th of July that was so important as to be gone over that important date in American history.
Hypocrisy never ends with drumpf and humpfs. After lying his head off about Obama’s aid to Ukraine and touting his selling of lethal missiles to Ukraine, those same missiles are ordered to be put in western Ukraine, hundreds of miles from border combat so they will do Ukraine no good.
Gawd, I can’t believe why wingnuts cannot see thru this scuzzbucket for what he really is.
https://crooksandliars.com/2019/11/us-requires-ukraine-keep-javelins-100s
58 percent of registered voters said they believe the president “asked a foreign leader to investigate a political opponent”; 51 percent said they believe he “withheld military aid to Ukraine until they agreed to conduct the investigations he wanted”; and 51 percent said they believe he “abused his powers as president.”
Yet only 48 percent of registered voters said they favor impeaching Trump or removing him from office — slightly more than the 45 percent who opposed impeaching or removing him, but less than a majority.
The remaining 7 percent were undecided whether Trump should be impeached or removed, a sign that some registered voters may still be persuadable.
Fifty-six percent of Democrats said they have been following the congressional hearings “very closely” or “somewhat closely”; among Republicans, that number was 11 percentage points lower.
[GOP loves their ignorant voters.]
Yahoo News/You Gov poll. Details on how it was conducted, etc, here:
is.gd/WS2Dts
From Huffpost:
Walter Shaub, the former head of the U.S. Office of Government Ethics, is dumbfounded that President Donald Trump is cranking up his fundraising efforts on behalf of senators who will likely soon serve as his “jurors” in an impeachment trial.
“The accused is helping jurors raise money,” Shaub tweeted, referring to the president and lawmakers. “Does it get any more preposterous that that?”
is.gd/vIcaP0
Nearly an hour straight of crazy on Fauz Noize, when Lying Lunatic cozies up to people who are paid to let him whine and cry. (Save yourself, just read the synopsis.)
is.gd/mg88Mq
“Gawd, I can’t believe why wingnuts cannot see thru this scuzzbucket for what he really is.”
Right. GOP skill at mental manipulation is very strong. It’s truly sad to see this work on such a large scale.
18 falsehoods in 53 minutes, Debbo. Unfortunately, that is not an all time record for the lie that roared.
Only 21 Dems on the judiciary committee are needed to send impeachment charges to house floor for discussion and only 218 votes needed to impeach. Dems have the votes to impeach. The thing is to see if wingnuts all hang together to protect their party at the expense of the nation and constitution.
Israel’s Netanyahu is taking “How to be slimy” lessons from our own Stinking Slimeball.
is.gd/jqGR0Q
There’s a new font named “Tiny Hands.” Guess whose handwriting it’s based on? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
is.gd/QuHErf
Funny stuff.
She’s not the only one (Fiona tells truth to power):
Defense Secretary Mark T. Esper and Gen. Mark Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, both told Trump of the huge consequence if he turned his tweet into a reality, including losing several key people while angering much of the top leadership in the military. [Seal] Gallagher had been accused of shooting civilians and murdering a teenage prisoner in Iraq, among other crimes.
Trump is utterly incompetent! https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/11/edward-gallagher-navy-moving-forward-disciplinary-plans.html
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-military-seals-exclusive/exclusive-us-navy-secretary-backs-seals-expulsion-review-despite-trump-objection-idUSKBN1XW2A2
TrumperTwitter: “The Navy will NOT be taking away Warfighter and Navy Seal Eddie Gallagher’s Trident Pin. This case was handled very badly from the beginning. Get back to business!”
Stupidest president on the planet. “What’s clear to most of us, then, is that Trump is an awful president. What’s less clear? That there’s anything nice you can say about him or his presidency. It’s catastrophes all the way down. Trump is the worst — and it’s Americans who will pay the price. https://theweek.com/articles/779929/donald-trump-indisputably-worst-president-american-history
Marc Emson
“Who would have imagined back in the founding fathers’ time that the biggest threat to America’s existence would be a illiterate, incompetent, mentally challenged, narcissistic conman with zero ties to reality whatsoever?” https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XPlHg4J1TPE
That the Entire GOP embraces and enables.
“Everything we learned from the Trump impeachment hearings
5 days. 12 witnesses. 35 hours. Countless revelations.”
is.gd/Aj1Ai2
It’s a good and TRUE summary. No paywall.
Debbo – “It’s a good and TRUE summary”
I think everyone should watch the entire thing .. the flow of the interviews with Schiff’s management exposes his perversion and poisoning of congress that one can’t really get from clips.
It’s an embarrassment.
Mark Emson – “be a illiterate, incompetent, mentally challenged, narcissistic conman with zero ties to reality whatsoever”
First of, it’s “an” illiterate.
Second, stop referring to Adam Schiff this way. He’s a member of congress.
leslie – “Stupidest president on the planet”
He is the only POTUS on the planet. So he’s also the smartest, and the bigliest (and smalliest)! :D
Debbo – “Guess whose handwriting it’s based on”
I prefer posts like this that don’t pretend to be based on substance or “impeachable”.
Debbo – “Stinking Slimeball”
Stay classy, Debbo.
I would pay 10 Deutschmarks to see you in a meeting with the President when you think noone is watching. :D
Debbo – “GOP skill at mental manipulation is very strong”
It’s not “GOP” or “DNC”, it’s NEO. The neocons and neoliberals are the ones running the big lie.
Christians don’t have lies as a virtue (although some of their leadership is a huge target for dishonest neocons/libs to pretend).
Liberals studying moral philosophy and whatnot do not put deception at the top of the list.
We need to root out the louts that are in both parties that lie, smear, slander, and defame as a matter of course because someone isn’t like them in idea, appearance, and/or gender.
Debbo – “Lying Lunatic”
Stay classy, Debbo.
Debbo – “dumbfounded that President Donald Trump is cranking up his fundraising efforts”
Shaub and Huffpost – I knew huffpost was for idiots, but I was unaware of Shaub until now. Thanks for putting this genius on my radar.
How dare President Trump even fathom that he can have a second term! :D
Debbo – “58 percent of registered voters said they believe the president”
25% of voters in swing states support impeachment.
Egads!
jerry – “Nunes is a Russian asset as well according to testimony. The dude that sits in judgement at the impeachment is a co conspirator.”
It’s a war on Christianity, especially the Russian fundamentalist variety.
jerry – “Chubby is a Russian asset. Look what he says about wanting out of NATO, all for Putin.”
I’m not following. Spell it out for me like I was five. If it’s so obvious ..
“American intelligence officials”
The AG, head of the FBI (Hoover), and the head of the US Secret Service all endorsed the Warren Commission’s report.
Imagine that.
No one, ever, blocks exculpatory witnesses from testifying. No one, ever, blocks documents that could exonerate them, from being released.
The reason Trump loves conspiracy theories and lies about just about everything? Because it works. Mr Dale, Jason, et al and their comments are proving that. The people that take Trump’s lead and write books and help with these conspiracy theories? Big bucks to them. They don’t care about anything else but their own self interest.
(The Conspiracy Theorist in Chief promised he would reveal the evidence that the birth certificate was fake…….still waiting)
Like many rational minded people on this blog, I don’t have a problem having a conversation that might be rooted in differences of opinion, as long as the content of that conversation is based in reality.
In our ‘new’ world of Trumpistan, supporters believe that fiction is fact. Up is down. Black is white. Propaganda is journalism. Extortion is foreign policy. People that were ‘loyalists’ to Trump, then end up finally coming clean with the truth are “he was a coffee boy” “I didn’t know the guy” “he is really a democrat” “he was part of the deep state”
Trump was interested in rooting out corruption in Ukraine? Really? Well, what changed then? The money was held up because of his deep interest in rooting out corruption? I still haven’t heard his excuse as to what changed his mind and convinced him to release the money because he was satisfied that corruption had been healed in Ukraine. (gosh, just by coincidence, that money got released when the White House got wind that there was a whistleblower uncovering their criminal antics)
Trump concerned about corruption and giving out taxpayer money? Bibi Netanyahu, was just indicted on multiple corruption charges. I’m sure that John, Jason, et al will be demanding that Mr Trump release no more US tax dollars to Israel until we get to the bottom of corruption there. Am I right fellas?
If someone will lie about crowd size and paying off porn stars, they will lie about anything.
Porter Lansing – “They’re just like you. Spending 95% of their day thinking about themselves”
“Conspiracy Theorist” was a term first weaponized by the CIA after they blew away JFK.
Strictly defined, it’s not a derogatory remark.
When one thinks, one invokes ones own neurology. It is impossible, therefore, to “think” without an explicit tie to oneself.
One things with, about, and form oneself.
Also in the news, the sky is blue.
Cars have four tires.
And Porter Lansing thinks people are too dumb or incompetent to know the truth?
Cory – “Denying reality will wear you down”
Going against a group, whether wrong or right, is tiresome.
I really wish this propaganda hadn’t worked so well on the German people just prior to the Holocaust.
FWIW, one of the first things the Nazis did was take over the schools and therefore the minds of young people.
“One day the lies will collapse under their own weight and the truth will once again triumph .. accuse the other side of what with which you are guilty.” — Joseph Goebbels
“Ms Hill’s testimony should be the nail in the coffin”
Roger Stone called her out in 2017 as a “White House Mole”.
Next thing you know, Stone is getting arrested and gagged by a judge, and everything Stone said in his analysis came true.
This is Nazi level effectiveness.
Reason Magazine did a good interview with Judge Napolitano who said there are 3 or 4 sufficient reasons for impeachment. Over time this will sway some Trump supporters but not the loyalists who will dismiss a smoking gun. He points out impeachment comes at a price the prosecuting party historically loses legislative seats, but if enough evidence comes to light the thinking voting public will turn away from Trump. Holmes’s testimony was also powerful. 28 minutes.
https://reason.com/video/judge-napolitano-enough-evidence-to-justify-about-three-or-four-articles-of-impeachment/
Dana P’s comment invokes images of Seinfeld’s reference to the Superman/D.C. “Bizzaro World.”
Rep. Elise Stefanik, R-NY, on impeachment committee: “Not a single Republican member of this committee has said that Russia did not meddle in the 2016 elections.”
US intelligence agencies describe Russia’s ongoing efforts to blame Ukraine for their sabotage, meddling, hacking and similar espionage election hacking efforts.
Strib paywall
http://strib.mn/33htmyC
Stone is a pathological liar like drumpf. Zero credibility.
and johhny the freudster is back with a whole box of wingnut delusional, deplorable, despicable talking points and zero credible proof.
Johnny, lad, where are all them indictments from Ukraine accusing Hunter Biden of laundering 130 million bucks from Ukraine?
Where are all them indictments from the IG’s russian investigation that proved what Dems have said all along the FISA application was sound and true?
Got another O-fer streak going fellow. Keep right on spewing the lies.
Drumpf hands out wads of cash to wingnut senators and woos house wingnuts with free weekends at Camp David so kremlin annex officials can keep wingnuts loyal to drumpf, not their country or constitution.
https://the-immoral-minority.com/donald-trump-using-access-to-camp-david-as-a-tool-to-convince-republican-lawmakers-to-support-him-as-impeachment-proceedings-move-forward/
Steele dossier: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z0eDm1iP7M
Doh! – “1st half of Steele dossier investigation was paid for by Republicans”. I guess Republican apologists’ 32 mentions of the dossier as paid for by Democrats, during orchestrated defense of Trump ect in the House Committee IMPEACHMENT inquiry hearings all this last week, huh?!
Damn facts keep getting in your way Dale/GOP/conspiracy theorist/climate denier Republicans.
@ 1:00
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z0eDm1iP7M
The Steele Dossier was originally commissioned by the Washington Free Beacon, a conservative publication which did not support Trump. Later bought by Clinton Org. as “opposition research”, which the Donald, we’ve heard, fully approves.
At least, that’s what the Trump org. approves, according to what Don Jr. and the team said when they were slammed for digging dirt with the Russians on HRC and covered it with stories about Russian adoptions.
Whoa! Per NPR, U.S. District Judge Ketanji Brown Jackson orders Don McGahn to testify in the impeachment hearings. That means Bolton may testify too.
is.gd/VHVq1a
Three cheers for the rule of law!
Hip, hip, hooray!
Hip, hip, hooray!
Hip, hip, hooray!
Toddling Traitor’s goose is getting a little more done every day. So seasonal too.
https://www.salon.com/2019/11/25/final-final-republican-defense-strategy-for-trump-don-the-tinfoil-join-the-conspiracy/
So many wingnuts are implicated in drumpf’s criminal activities, I wonder how many, if any, recuse themselves from impeachment vote or trial.
Old Gross & Guilty is getting guiltier by the moment.
“The Washington Post reports that a confidential White House review of Trump’s decision to put a hold on aid to Ukraine “has turned up hundreds of documents that reveal extensive efforts to generate an after-the-fact justification for the decision and a debate over whether the delay was legal.” In early August, for example, email exchanges show acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney asking acting Office of Management and Budget director Russell Vought to provide an update on the legal rationale for holding up the aid and how much longer it could be delayed.”
“In a statement, OMB spokeswoman Rachel K. Semmel insisted—even now, after all we know!—that “there was a legal consensus at every step of the way that the money could be withheld to conduct the policy review,” and that the emails do not at all reveal panicked staffers trying to justify Trump’s actions after the fact.”
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Remember, DFPers, that Mulvaney admitted it was a quid pro quo and that it happens all the time? Since he’s tried to tell us he was just kidding. 🙄
Even moar quid pro quos? https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-tells-allies-he-wants-absolved-war-criminals-to-campaign-for-him
How very drumpf like.
Debbo – “Old Gross & Guilty”
You’ll never out-name-call President Trump. Adopting the tactics of the enemy assures you’ll always lag behind the enemy in your tactics.
But, as usual, stay classy.
So, if there is no impeachment vote this week, does that mean Pelosi is a liar, or was I correct that this whole isht show is cover for deactivating the sunset clause in FISA of the USA Patriot Act?
We funded the government and reauthorized FISA for another 90 days.
And Trump is still not impeached.
“The Steele Dossier was originally commissioned by the Washington Free Beacon”
I’ll defer to Bongino’s analysis on this. I haven’t seen what might be driving this conclusion, and it would be difficult to countermand Bongino’s arugments.
leslie – “Damn facts keep getting in your way Dale/GOP/conspiracy theorist/climate denier Republicans.”
When you say my name, a kitten cries.
I’d hate to think about what you’d call me if I was black. It would have to be pretty nasty?
You’re still on the impeachment thing? I think that might have been over when the Patriot Act was reauthorized, which you should be very concerned about, in my view.
“Where are all them indictments”
I said the Bidens were mentioned in the indictments.
They aren’t coming down, they came down and you could probably find a copy on The Internet if you were brave enough.
“sufficient reasons for impeachment”
The FBI could indict a ham sandwich if they wanted to.
The legal system is being abused.
Has been by both sides for a looooong time.
It has to stop.
Start by reeling in the federal reserve.
“50% of the public believes Trump should be impeached and removed — almost double the amount who have said that about any of his three most recent predecessors, including one who was actually impeached by the House.”
CNN
“50% of the public believes Trump should be impeached and removed”
“[Just relax and shhhhhhhh Trumpy .. just let the political rape happen. It’ll all be over soon.]”
I’m sure they’ll call for a vote later today, right?
I’d hate to think about what you’d call me if I was black. It would have to be pretty nasty?
Actually, we like black people, especially in comparison to you.
Your whole Bidens get indicted bologna has moar holes than Swiss cheese.
mike from iowa – so, what you’re saying is that you like all black people unequivocally compared to me? Smart. People should trust your opinion and your analysis and make *cough* life decisions based on your advice.
https://www.ranker.com/list/black-serial-killers/ranker-crime
Wonder if he took shady deals with drumpf to his grave?
https://forensicnews.net/2019/11/27/deutsche-bank-executive-who-signed-off-on-trump-loans-kills-self-at-age-55/
drumpf body count grows bigly.
Fabricating Flatulence’s big story that President Obama and the FBI wiretapped and investigated him is as big a lie as anything else he says.
“The Justice Department’s inspector general found no evidence that the FBI attempted to place undercover agents or informants inside Donald Trump’s campaign in 2016 as agents investigated whether his associates conspired with Russia’s election interference operation, people familiar with a draft of the inspector general’s report said.”
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This is Bill Barr’s Department of INjustice, so if they can’t find anything, there’s really nothing at all.
The FBI sent an asset and an uncover agent to meet with a Trump campaign official, but they did not spy on the campaign?
:D
It’s a tricky thing to prosecute the people who prosecute and call elected officials “transients”.
How can a person be both for democracy and the deep state?
How can a troll be so monumentally blind and willfully ignorant when the truth is presented in crayolas, dumbed down so a child can see the truth, and yet alleged adults refuse to believe their lying eyes?
What does Alex Jones tell you to believe?
These investigators were all hand picked by drumpf and low barr to deliver a damning set of talking points, but could not find them. drumpf, like Johnny One Note, will have an alternate explanation that fits drumpf’s conspiracy theory that he was spied on.
mfi, I could be wrong but my best guess is that most trolls post obviously false or paranoid comments for one of three main reasons:
(1) They are paid for specific types of comments by sources that hire people to spread propaganda designed to mislead, upset and divide a particular audience, with the goal of advancing a particular political or social agenda;
(2) They simply enjoy upsetting rational people, thereby inducing reactions and gaining attention; or
(3) They have untreated psychological problems including mental illness, paranoia, etc. that lead them to believe what they post and conclude that by spreading this false information they are either doing something positive or submitting to some compulsive need.
While there obviously may be exceptions, one of these three explanations seems most the likely explanation in my view.
Incidentally, trolls motivated by the second reason often are either hit and run commenters that will not respond to questions or challenges to posts, or commenters that will repeatedly comment until think they are being ignored. Trolls motivated by the other two reasons, however, have a tendency keep it up as long as they are paid or their illness remains untreated.
You are undoubtedly right, BCB. I really should ignore it. Maybe I need a nice long break from DFP. I have been MIA from Juanita jeans for several months.
I’m sure Pelosi has a few more hustles up her sleeve, but it sure is nice to be spending Thanksgiving with the guy that I voted for – you know, the “transient” – allowed to continue working for we the people who elected him.
mfi, I do enjoy your comments and often learn from them and from links you post. I would miss that if you stay away from DFP altogether.
And sometimes trolls inadvertently serve a useful function by providing an incentive and conduit for alert readers to post accurate factual information that can assist other readers in recognizing factual reality in response to troll posts.
Meanwhile, I hope your Thanksgiving if filling and enjoyable!
Don’t trolls like to POST anonymously, not be willing to stand and defend assertions, call names, and level personal attacks that ignore the issues?
“a person who defaces Internet tribute sites with the aim of causing grief to families”
I know my family gets upset when they read some of the things you post about their husband/father.
Other than “psyche mikey” and pointing to Debbo’s pentient to veiled-reference President Trump’s testicles and anal activities (flatus) in some kind of strange sordid literary fantasy, I think I’ve kept things pretty on the up-and-up.
Topically, we do digress, but I try to keep things related – even if only tangentially – to the topic. I think if you trace back through my posts, while I bring in related supporting evidence, there are three or four individuals constantly calling me a troll, that try to derail otherwise productive discourse with name-calling.
Trying to call me a troll seems to me an elaborate mental masturbation to try to discredit the cogency of my contributions.
So, why not bring it back from labeling me to addressing issues again. Most important, I think it’s great when anybody admits it when they’re wrong, says what they mean, and means what they say.
Have a Happy Thanksgiving everyone, from my family to yours.
Sincerely,
John Dale
Thanks for the kind words, BCB. I always learn from your links and comments.
From Business Insider….. A Trump administration official has told The Washington Post that the White House has been unable to find any record of the September 9 call between President Donald Trump and the US ambassador to the European Union, Gordon Sondland.
Both men have said that during the call Trump told Sondland he sought “no quid pro quo” and wanted “nothing” from Ukraine.
Trump has used the call in his impeachment defense, repeating some of what Sondland told the House Intelligence Committee
Moar lies from the guys. Of course there was no official record, the two used a secret phone with 2 tin cans, kite string and a button to hold the string in each can. Tap proof tech at its finest.
That really kind, loving post you shared with friends probably came from professional Russian trolls. They don’t argue. They enter your subconscious with things you agree with. (Explained and analyzed here)
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/russia-troll-2020-election-interference-twitter-916482/
Good link Porter. Skepticism is good.
Not vouching for this one, but it’s entirely possible.
“One of Justice Kennedy‘s two sons—Justice Kennedy who suddenly and unexpectedly resigned from the Supreme Court leaving the seat open for Trump to fill with Brett Kavanaugh—was also one of trumps bankers at Deutsche Bank, under investigation for laundering Russian money.”
https://forensicnews.net/2019/11/27/deutsche-bank-executive-who-signed-off-on-trump-loans-kills-self-at-age-55/
Kennedy hisownself allegedly recommended Kavernmouth to drumpf.
Can Alex jones be far behind? https://www.cbsnews.com/news/frank-wuco-former-talk-radio-show-host-who-pushed-questionable-theories-now-top-arms-control-official/
Humpty drumpfry went to Afghanistan, spent most of his time patting his roly poly, note not Rocky Balboa self, on the back and then told a whopper about the Taliban wanted a peace deal. Problem was no one told them they wanted a peace deal. So drumpfy lies to his captive audience on purpose for the applause and slithers off to Florida to lie some more and grift some more.
His kremlin annex krew claims the doctored photo of drumpf’s head on Rocky’s torso was not doctored.
Mike, the last whopper in your comment is probably the biggest of them all. Emphasis BIGGEST.
This is scary…. https://www.rawstory.com/2019/11/after-trumps-meddling-in-gallagher-case-the-pentagon-faces-a-big-purge/
drumpf wants soldiers to swear loyalty to him, not their superiors or the constitution.
What paper reported that he went golfing?
It takes some guts and trust in his staff to make that trip.
It was a good thing for The President to be doing IMHO.
“[President Trump] wants soldiers to swear loyalty to him.
Where does President Trump say this? Where is the analysis? What is your argument?
Good link Mike, and scary indeed. I hope they’re wrong, but they may not be. I still think Cadet Bone Spurs is too insane to plan like that, but Stephen Goebbels Miller is not, and neither is Pootie or the other nefarious, power hungry slime that is orchestrating his actions.
Debbo – “Cadet Bone Spurs is too insane to plan like that, but Stephen Goebbels Miller is not, and neither is Pootie or the other nefarious”
Where do you get your brain washed? It’s spotless! :D
The entire wingnut party has flipped its ever loving lid….. https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/11/majority-republicans-trump-better-president-lincoln-poll.amp
At this point drumpf still has a brain, at least I think he does. However, anyone tapping his forehead asking his brain to come out o play is looking in the wrong location.
The Daily Beast has an interview with Lisa Page, the FBI agent Misogynist Mutt continues to cruelly attack for doing her job properly.
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Amy Siskind, first rate reporter, has an important observation regarding Super Sicko.
“I hope the media is still following up on Trump’s visit to Walter Reed 2 weeks ago. As someone who has the unfortunate task of following his Twitter feed every single day for the weekly list, I can tell you he is tweeting uncharacteristically of his patterns.”
There are 2 more tweets in Ms. Siskind’s thread.
Great Lisa Page interview. Debbo, you dunnit again.
From mike Allen at Axios:
In a letter to Judiciary Committee Chairman Jerry Nadler (D-N.Y.), White House counsel Pat Cipollone spurned an invitation to participate on Wednesday.
Cipollone called impeachment a “baseless and highly partisan inquiry [that] violates all past historical precedent, basic due process rights, and fundamental fairness.”
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This pretty much guarantees that Crooked Criminal will complain that Democrats didn’t let him tell his side of the story. We can just add that to his 15,000+ lies and lies Cippolone told in the above quote.
That’s the only thing this criminal deministration has shown any skill at — lying. They’re not very good at that either.
Same source:
A senior House GOP aide told me to look for Rep. Doug Collins of Georgia, the top Republican on the Judiciary Committee, to engage Chairman Jerry Nadler with “a bunch of procedural maneuvers.”
Collins prides himself on mastery of process and rules.
He will rely heavily on Reps. Jim Jordan of Ohio and John Ratcliffe of Texas to engage on substance.
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We’ve seen Jordan’s “substance.” There ain’t none. When you’ve got no defense, you play procedural games and throw in lots of worthless blather while not wearing a suit jacket. That’s the GOP’s version of Democracy.
Jordan tends to follow Carl Sandburg’s advice:
All Jordan’s pounding on tables and yelling like hell tells everyone all that is necessary about the merits of the impeachment case against Donald Trump.
drumpf bitches he can’t get due process then turns around and refuses invite to participate. Subpoena his orange coattails and watch him perjure himself. Even that wouldn’t get wingnuts to do their duty as protectors of the constitution first, before party loyalty.
Fake Noize claims drumpf is siphoning black voters away from Dems. More likely just voter suppression. There is no Earthly reason for minorities to vote wingnut.
This is hilarious. I urge you to check out the entire post.
“From my point of view, if you were the pus seeping out of an abscess on chancre sore on a pimple on a hemarrhoid, you still wouldn’t be as unwelcome as tRump.”
(There is an outstanding image too.)
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There is a brief compilation of tweets here that are very funny. This is one of them:
When Franklin Graham isn’t tweeting in support of the belief “marriage is between 1 man & 1 woman,” he is tweeting in support of a POTUS who believes marriage is between one man, one woman, a mistress, another woman, another wife, another mistress, yet another wife & a porn star.
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This is a good NPR article, an interview with Rep. Schiff.
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Outstanding image, waste of luncheon meats. No wonder we can’t have nice things.
🤣🤣🤣
Here, Grudzilla. Here, Johnny Troll. This is yer orange monster in the kremlin annex being presidential, according to your lights.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1182657104798257153
From VOX on House intel committee report on impeachment…..
But all you really need to read is this one sentence from the report, which encapsulates all of its major findings: “[T]he impeachment inquiry has found that President Trump, personally and acting through agents within and outside of the U.S. government, solicited the interference of a foreign government, Ukraine, to benefit his reelection.”
In moar news, Pence is implicated as an active participant in Ukraine mess. Fake Noize and Stain Hannity are implicated in making stuff up and spreading misleading lies about fired Ambassador.
Mr. Mike, I realize you are from Iowa, where Mr. Trump is your president and all that rah rah, but why is it, sir, that you want to drag me into your loose-witted rants and strange discussions about that goof who is the president? Are you, perhaps, going insaner than most, and confusing grudznick with somebody who supports Mr. Trump or cares about this issue?
I seem to have missed where I commented on this issue, other than Mr. W’s nice hats, so one can only figure that even in your imagination and your dreams about fat Iowegian corn-bore farm grandmas, grudznick is getting all your goats. Go Iowa Granny!!!! Go IG!
Ah. Mr. Mike is dealing with a different grudznick on another blog place. It makes more sense now. Mr. Mike, you are from Iowa, so most can forgive you for being Iowegian.
drumpf is yers, lock, stock and barrel embarrassingly Russia red, Grudzilla. You own him. Own up to it.
Mr. Mike, you are from Iowa so you are clearly drunk, yet again, but please enlighten the folks here why you feel grudznick is a big Trump fellow. I voted Johnson. I’m a huge, huge Johnson guy. Or was but I’ve withered a bit in that support lately. But I still like to consider myself a huge Johnson guy.
grudznick = Huge Johnson
clarification for Mr. Mike, who is from Iowa and not paying attention.
Lots of people support grudznick’s Huge Johnson initiative. It takes lots of people.
(Applicants must be 18, large non-Iowegian women given preference, gifts of food accepted)
Schiff sounded great on NPR tonight: calm, reasonable, speaking from evidence on the record, telling us straightforwardly what Trump has said and done and why those words and actions are terrible for this nation.
“Stain Hannity.” I like that. Good one Mike. 😀
Insane ramblings of a deranged mind at the G7:
“The Democrats have gone crazy and you know what? They have to be careful because when the shoe is on the other foot, and some day, hopefully in the very long distant future, you’ll have a Democrat president, you’ll have a Republican House and they’ll do the same thing because somebody picked an orange out of a refrigerator and you don’t like it so let’s go and impeach them. That’s not the way our country is supposed to be run.” – The President of the United States. The Internet: #wut
Addressing Debbo’s Trump quote … We The People have to be careful impeaching you (for abuse of power, bribery, obstruction of Congress, and obstruction of justice) because Republicans might do the same thing to the Democrat President that makes you a “one termer”?
We’ll take our chances, Mr. President.
All Ukraine roads lead back to Fake Noize………
https://www.rawstory.com/2019/12/contracts-show-how-giuliani-backed-lawyers-planned-to-help-fired-ukraine-prosecutor-get-revenge-on-biden/
Toensing and Di Genova got one contract and they are fixtures on Fake Noize.
By the by, while the House Judiciary committee was working on impeachment hearings, Screwdy Rudy was back in Ukraine trying to find non-existent dirt on Bidens..
Speaking of Biden,he told an iowan to shut up when the guy accused his son of criminal acts in Ukraine.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/brett-kavanaugh-wrote-that-hiding-evidence-from-congress-is-an-impeachable-offense?ref=home
Back in Clinton’s impeachment times, Kavernmouth was for it. Now, I’m guessing he will be against it because he was chosen to follow the ideology of wingnutterism.
[Technical check! Link for this post is acting strangely….]