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Farmers Ignore Evidence, Contradictions, Believe Trump Trade War Will Work Out

An eager reader shares an interesting survey from Iowa State University showing the bunkum corn and soybean farmers in Iowa, Minnesota, and Illinois are using to rationalize their self-immolating support for Donald Trump. Over 80% of the farmers surveyed said they lost money due to Trump’s trade war in 2018, but they keep telling themselves the beatings will stop someday:

While only 14% think their farm operations will be better off financially a year from now, more than half said they expected something good to ultimately come out of the trade war. And about 44% said they believe the U.S. economy will be stronger in three years. China’s 2017 decision to allow imports of U.S. beef and its 2020 national ethanol mandate also give farmers hope for new export opportunities.

…Finally, the survey found a growing frustration with China’s erratic buying behavior.

For example, China shut out U.S. beef for 14 years over a mad cow scare in 2003, keeping the ban more than a decade after other countries like Japan and South Korea lifted theirs.

Chinese purchase of products such as distillers grains or corn sometimes just disappear. These may have been offshoots of adjustments China made to its corn support policy, but, from the perspective of U.S. farmers, Chinese demand for certain U.S. agricultural commodities has been annoyingly inconsistent [Iowa State University, “Why Farmers Still Support Trump,” Successful Farming, 2019.11.05].

Hearing Trumpists complain of inconsistency indicates their blind followership. The current incoherence of American trade “policy” (mock quotes, because we have no policy, just the impotent and grouchy gut impulses of a Dodderer-in-Chief) does nothing to persuade China to trade more reliably with us; it encourages them to seek other markets. Even the farmers surveyed recognize that long-term damage:

The survey showed that most farmers recognize that they will continue to be the biggest victims of the U.S.-China trade war and will likely lose markets – some permanently – as China diversifies away from American producers.

As one Illinois farmer who was less supportive of tariffs put it, “we are not the only game in town.” U.S. agricultural exports will face growing competition from Brazil on soybeans and from Europe and Australia on meat [ISU, 2019.11.05].

But these rural victims of a Manhattan billionaire who embodies none of their work ethic or practicality or other admirable farm sensibilities mostly want four more years of self-destruction. The country they think they’ll eventually beat wants the same thing:

The US president’s daily Twitter posts broadcast his every impulse, delight and peeve to 67 million followers around the world, making him “easy to read” and “the best choice in an opponent for negotiations,” said Long Yongtu, the former vice-minister of foreign trade and point man during China’s 15-year talks to join the WTO nearly two decades ago.

“We want Trump to be re-elected; we would be glad to see that happen,” Long said during Credit Suisse’s China Investment Conference yesterday in Shenzhen [Yujing Liu, “Trade Negotiator Who Got China into WTO Is Rooting for Trump’s Re-Election Because ‘Twitterer in Chief’ Is Easy to Read,” South China Morning Post, 2019.11.08].

The state of China-U.S. trade talks is unclear, with apparent delay and conflicting signals. But even with clear evidence that the trade war hasn’t achieved its stated objectives, farmers appear committed to clinging to their false god in the White House.


  1. Donald Pay 2019-11-08 08:21

    Farmers are souring on Trump. Just a 2-3% drop in the rural Trump vote in Wisconsin gives the state to the Democratic candidate. The Successful Farming article you quote, drives this point home: “While only 14% think their farm operations will be better off financially a year from now, more than half said they expected something good to ultimately come out of the trade war. And about 44% said they believe the U.S. economy will be stronger in three years.”

    Those numbers are pretty bad if you think about it. If he can’t get more than 44 percent to think the economy will be better in 3 years, there is a lot of pessimism out there in the country. Pessimism is not good for an incumbent.

    Another year of prices below the cost of production, and it’s going to be a farm crisis and a landslide against Trump. A year from now is the election. Trump is going to have to cave to China pretty damn soon, and China knows that. They’ll wait out the fool. If he waits too long, he loses another 5 percent of the rural vote and then the Senate may change, too.

  2. jerry 2019-11-08 08:49

    As long as farmers get their bribe, they’re gonna stay Chubby followers. Why would they consider change?

    “That ain’t workin’ that’s the way you do it
    Money for nothin’ and your chicks for free
    Now that ain’t workin’ that’s the way you do it
    Lemme tell ya, them guys ain’t dumb
    Maybe get a blister on your little finger
    Maybe get a blister on your thumb.”

    Dire Staits

  3. jerry 2019-11-08 08:59

    Dow has slipped, turns out that the new trade thingy was more bull puckey. Farmers got played again. It really doesn’t matter as long as they keep getting their bribes while laying round the shack till the mail train comes back waitin’ on that check.

    “I’m gonna lay around the shack
    Till the mail train comes back
    Then I’ll roll in my sweet baby’s arms
    Well I ain’t gonna work on the railroad
    I ain’t gonna work on the farm
    Hey I’ll lay around the shack till the mail train comes back
    And roll in my sweet baby’s arms.”

  4. David Newquist 2019-11-08 11:30

    Just who are the 693 farmers in the Iowa State U. survey? ISU’s Ames, Iowa, cohort, the Environmental Working Group, reminds us:
    “Despite the rhetoric of “preserving the family farm,” the vast majority of farmers do not benefit from federal farm subsidy programs and most of the subsidies go to the largest and most financially secure farm operations. Small commodity farmers qualify for a mere pittance, while producers of meat, fruits, and vegetables are almost completely left out of the subsidy game (i.e. they can sign up for subsidized crop insurance and often receive federal disaster payments).”

    For years, farmers have been coaxed by banks and equipment manufacturers to regard themselves as big business people allied with corporate America. The farmers who were devastated by the farm crisis of the 1980s were largely people who fell for that line and were swept away by unmanageable debt. Those who survived were those who were able to, as Earl Butz advised, “get big” by acquiring their neighbors’ foreclosed land. Trump’s Secretary of Agriculture, Sonny Perdue, has taken up that message with a vengeance, and has further enabled factory farming by advocating the relaxing of EPA standards on clean water, among other matters.

    The farmers who support Trump are not hard-working, family-oriented people struggling to make healthy and productive lives on the land. They are not people who are ignorant of Trump’s predatory and criminal business practices. They, in fact, applaud the Trump way of doing business and emulate it in order to get their share of the take.

    When we had Tom Daschle, Tim Johnson, and Herseth Sandlin in Congress, one of the problems they faced in supporting farm bills was the way Congress regarded farmers. Congress is increasingly seeing farming as just another corporate enterprise, such as big oil and pharmaceuticals, looking for special privileges to boost their profits. Our current farm bills are seen as corporate subsidies, not as stabilizing food programs to help families remain productive on the land.

    The majority of those 693 people support Trump because they see a windfall in the treasury, not a future in the land.

  5. Porter Lansing 2019-11-08 11:49

    When your opponent describes you as “easy to read”, it means what?
    *think poker

  6. jerry 2019-11-08 12:33

    Current deficits grow by a half trillion under Chubby’s republican mantra. Corporate farmers shrug and control the weak markets while standing with their bibs down and their hands out. In South Dakota, the corporate lackey’s in the legislature bow to the handouts and gimme’s and just vote where the money takes them. No hemp for farmers while the big corn and bean guys get fat and lazy.

    “Trump made a huge deal over the trade deficit during the 2016 campaign, in his ignorance believing that it was the same as the federal budget deficit, and he promised to fix the imbalance with tariffs and other protectionist policies. Instead, the trade deficit has continued to grow, now reaching $500 billion in this fiscal year.”

    Damn, republicans, that’s a whole lot of money. Ain’t ya gonna cry about the debt ceiling, oh yeah, you will shortly when Chubby wants to shut the government down for the brittle wall.

  7. Robin Friday 2019-11-08 16:02

    The beatings will continue until morale improves. :-(

  8. mike from iowa 2019-11-08 16:52

    Well put, Robin. Short, for short attention spans and directly on point.

  9. Loren 2019-11-08 16:55

    Thank goodness “trade wars are easy to win.” (Yikes!)

  10. Debbo 2019-11-08 17:48

    “Rural areas got redder, and urban and suburban ones got bluer — and not only in Virginia. Even for centrist Democrats like Mississippi gubernatorial candidate Jim Hood, the old, pre-Trump Democratic coalition has been replaced by one that increasingly relies on suburban voters to make up for losses among rural whites.”

    That’s from a 538 article on the recent election. Rural people are all that’s holding up the GOP now, and their arms are getting awfully tired.

    In addition, 538 expects 11/2020 turnout to be ENORMOUS. Very bad news for Economic Oaf and the GOP. My heart does not break for them. It sings for joy at the prospect of making the USA whole again.

    The article includes charts showing how far R districts swing to D. 😁😁

  11. Debbo 2019-11-08 18:06

    More Economic Oafiness:

    “U.S. companies are holding off on major purchases and investments, paying down debt and stacking up cash as they look to position for an expected economic downturn in 2020, Axios Markets editor Dion Rabouin reports.

    “What’s happening … A slew of traditional recession indicators have shown up: The yield curve has inverted, the manufacturing and housing sectors have weakened, and income inequality has spiked to the highest level on record.”

    Axios AM, Mike Allen

  12. T 2019-11-08 19:25

    There will be a downturn, especially rural communities. Our local business will tell you sales are down. The “handouts” people speak of for farmers aren’t what they claim and/or are not coming in as only counts with planted crops.
    Our area flooded so no planted crops = no compensation. We have the followers sitting around with their fingers crossed.
    I am not

  13. Robin Friday 2019-11-08 19:34

    Jerry, that may be the way you farm, but those lyrics don’t apply accurately to any farmer, big or small, that I know, and I know a lot of them. That attitude that farmers are lazy bib-wearing ignorant oafs laying around just waiting for their check is just more us-and-them stupidity. I’m wondering along with Dr. N. just who these farmers were that were interviewed. One thing urbanites need to learn is the difference between The Farm Bureau and the Farmers Union and everyone in between. Talk about blanket condemnations.

  14. John Dale 2019-11-08 20:12

    SD Farmers are amazing people .. they really don’t want the welfare they’re forced into accepting.

    They want to compete for real .. and WIN.

  15. Debbo 2019-11-08 20:15

    I know, T. Having grown up on a central SD farm has put farming in my blood. I follow it fairly closely. As Robin just said, there is a “difference between The Farm Bureau and the Farmers Union and everyone in between.”

    I care very much about the success and future of real family farms. That’s probably why I get so frustrated by the wilfull blindness of some of them.

  16. jerry 2019-11-08 21:24

    What is the difference between the Farm Bureau and Farmers Union in South Dakota? I’m born and raised in very rustic, rural South Dakota and remember very clearly a Democratic Party that was what it was and a Republican Party that was the same. There was debate and there was compromise and we got stuff done. We were all in this together and we even ate together on vote day. Booyah! Soup and sandwiches because everyone pretty much voted at the same time. Rural America ruled man, there was no place better.

    In the 1960 race, things changed. A Catholic was running for president, not good out in Presbyterian country with the Pope and all those men in dresses running America. No more soup and sandwiches, just the beginning of decline. Small farmers and ranchers moved on. Where you could make ends meet on small holdings, was changed irreversibly. Cattle got bigger with Limousine, in the early 70’s, along with Charolais crosses in the 60’s and so did farming equipment and so did land holdings, at a cost of the very soul of our pride. That pride was the land itself. Fun fact, Charolais, a French breed, were introduced here from Mexico, that would explain their grapefruit sized calf’s.

    So please Ms. Friday, what is the difference between the two today? Why do the members of both organizations turn their backs on progress and wrap their arms around failure?

  17. John 2019-11-08 21:42

    “There’s something happening here
    What it is ain’t exactly clear” – Buffalo Springfield

  18. Aaron 2019-11-08 22:01

    Farmers who support trump are hoping that their neighbors go out of business so they can get the land.

  19. leslie 2019-11-09 07:02

    Steve Stills: I did one [protest song] on with “For What It’s Worth” and there were years I felt uncomfortable doing it and now if it comes around it still remains pertinent, which makes me sad. I don’t want to be doing this song after Trump’s gone away, which he never will now, thanks to the frustration of the other half of the country. “How did we get here and how do we stop this?” That’s the overwhelming meaning of the song. But the truth of the matter is electing the first woman president and having her be a liberal democrat is making a whole generation of guys like me go absolutely bats*** crazy. So I guess that’s what made me address it, which is I’ve got to tell you guys the truth. And the truth is, as James Carville once put it, “We’re right and you’re wrong, that’s it, get over it.”

    Steve Baltin

  20. John Dale 2019-11-09 07:18

    “There’s something happening here …”

    President Trump is not a dictator. Assigning any outcome to him personally, exclusively is a mistake.

    Look through the lens of the policies he advocates to figure out what he personally wants. Deviations from his stated goals represent other people/groups trying to stop his agenda, which aims to return capital, ROI, and power to a huge swath of The American people.

    American manufacturing.

    American agriculture.

    Domestic production generally.

    Greater self sufficiency, lower trade imbalance.

    “Railways of tomorrow”

    Strong military.

    President Trump’s time in office has been mired by fake investigations (the big set-up), sham impeachment, and persecution of people like me who simply supported Trump’s platform. My family and I don’t deserve the persecution we’ve received for wanting to put America first. I’m on the front lines of this, and attacks on President Trump are attacks on my family and I. I don’t care about President Trump. I’m not a sycophant. President Trump, for me, is simply a vehicle for the policies that I like best.


    The two party duopoly hides a third party that is controlling America through secret organizations. This hidden third party is who you might think; Segments of the Order of the Eastern Star, OTO Masons, some ultra elitist Zionist Jews, various Christian groups out of touch with their moral sensibilities, other (if you are uncomfortable with someone calling-out groups like this, you are part of the problem likely because you have been made afraid). This “un-holy alliance” is striking fear into the hearts of man to protect its utopian stock investment strategies (among other things).

    At the end of the day, it all goes back to the money, which at some point in history got “bigly” mistaken for value. Cash is not king. Any good investor knows, net worth is the true measure of wealth. Using cash as a measure of wealth is lazy and error prone. President Trump’s base is putting American assets at play to demonstrate this fact.


    Some will dismiss this type of rant as disconnected. The truth is, this type of thirty thousand foot view will only make sense to a select few.

    Who are you? Who who? Who who?

  21. mike from iowa 2019-11-09 07:37

    What drumpf wants, besides moar personal wealth from the treasury?

    dirty air.
    dirty water
    destroyed environment.
    moar environmental disasters
    moar wildfires.
    moar poor people
    moar dead poor people through loss of insurance and wars
    moar and moar debt
    moar and moar deficits (including trade)
    moar wealthy with even moar wealth
    moar people to kiss his ass
    moar monuments to drumpf
    moar Johnny frauds to adore drumpf
    moar impunity for which to commit moar crimes
    the list is endless

  22. Porter Lansing 2019-11-09 07:42

    Neil Young -“LET’S IMPEACH THE PRESIDENT FOR LYING!” – Song written for W but more pertinent, today.

  23. mike from iowa 2019-11-09 08:08

    ps the ex-Obama staffer wrongly outed has been getting death threats. Shame on you!

  24. Buckobear 2019-11-09 10:46

    Golly John Dale, you didn’t mention the Illuminati or transvestite lesbians from the moon.
    Manufacturing ?— down. Agriculture ?— in the ditch. Trade deficit ?— up. Railways of tomorrow ?? — huh ??? Easy winnable trade wars ? — see all of above. … and where’s that “really great” health plan ??
    I’m sorry that you feel persecuted for supporting individual #1 — it’s your right and privilege to do so. Just stop whining about it.
    Looking for sympathy?? You can find it in a dictionary; it’s between s*&% and syphilis.

  25. John Dale 2019-11-09 10:55

    mike from iowa – this comes to mind as I reading your writing.

    “He who fights with monsters should be careful lest he thereby become a monster. And if thou gaze long into an abyss, the abyss will also gaze into thee.”

    When subjecting myself to the abyss of your writing, I have to constantly remind myself to fight the urges to be a complete a-hole.

    Speaking of presidential trivia. Who said this?

    “Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people.”

    The constant discussion of President Trump the individual and the lack of focus on his policies is a trend that illicits this quote.

    “I’m sorry that you feel persecuted for supporting individual #1” — it’s “more than a feeling”, Buckobear.

    I get the same type of persecution for not being a member of a church, for being white male, and any number of things. It reminds me of how important it is to be a good person every day of the week, not just Saturday or Sunday.

  26. Porter Lansing 2019-11-09 10:59

    Dale, you cactus monkey. You think we’re going to give Trump victim status? 😂 Funny boy 👈🏻

  27. John Dale 2019-11-09 10:59

    mike from iowa – do me a solid. Find the most credible outlet that has ever sourced and post it here.




    The Stone trial and everything else going on in DC is a psyop to distract you from Mordor’s all-seeing-eye, 5G.

    Just say no to the minons of Sauron.

    Just say NO to 5G (and all other wireless not providing value for America):

    Cory said I should publish this on my own website, so I did.

  28. John Dale 2019-11-09 11:01

    Porter Lansing – “cactus monkey”

    Not sure if I should be insulted or not. Clarify.

    Trump has been the victim of targeted, coordinated Presidential Harassment to keep his ideological supporters from noticing the size of the hard-on the Masons have for 5G.


  29. Porter Lansing 2019-11-09 11:22

    Cactus Monkey is a term of endearment we Tempe/Scottsdale residents use for our wobbly brained neighbors way down in Tucson. Must be something in the water down there. Unbalanced and teetering minds, by nature.

  30. Porter Lansing 2019-11-09 12:14

    If I was still a SoDakotan male, I’d be moved to try and fix this story with pithy comments and meaningless suggestions. But, that’s the problem. Rural males are raised wrong and suicides are often the end result.
    OK. One attempt to fix it; a natural male mistake. Compartmentalize yourself and your life. When one compartment is failing horribly, visit it once a day, address the problem as best you can and then shut the door in your mind and seal it until tomorrow. Make your life like a ship with a hole in the bulkhead. Seal that compartment tight or it’ll sink you, sure as hell. It’s the guilt of not being worthy that’s the issue. In cities males aren’t raised with that burden. A problem is a problem and doesn’t need someone to blame. It’s the false need to be a hero that’ll kill ‘ya. Men, that’s no way to raise your boys.

  31. bearcreekbat 2019-11-09 12:55

    When I read claims and complaints that Trump has been “targeted” it raises the question: if this true, then how or why is this somehow inappropriate or unusual where an individual has been accused of criminal behavior, multiple violations of the oath of office, abuse of power and repeatedly has been caught lying to the public? Isn’t that the exact kind of behavior that society should scrutinize or target to prevent?

  32. John Dale 2019-11-09 13:16

    I’m not from Tucson, I wasn’t born there, and I don’t live there ..

    Are you sure you aren’t referring to the Mexican Americans that inhabit the area? Seems a little over-the-top, but to each his own.

    “Rural males are raised wrong and suicides are often the end result.” — Strange qualification .. isn’t this like saying that Blacks aren’t as smart as whites, or if you try to save the Jews (circa WWII), you’ll be killed? I mean .. it’s wrong to say something like you’d be crazy to try to save the Jews, because the Hitler war machine is unstoppable. Looking back on history, were the lives lost to stop Hitler’s war machine worth it?

    Rural white males are under attack like the battleships in a fleet .. they are the strongest and the enemy knows he must get through them to sink the fleet and occupy the mainland. They are attacked with opioids, culture, psyops, twisted NLP, and physically.

    In my view, it’s probably wrong to think of things in terms of “white males”. It might be more accurate to think in terms of “strong males keeping atopic family units intact and providing the bulk of innovation and work product”, rather than “white male”. Want to know more?

  33. John Dale 2019-11-09 13:20

    bearcreekbat – ” Isn’t that the exact kind of behavior that society should target for condemnation and sanctions”

    I was recently looking at some old photos. When I was successful in opening the skate park in Marana, Arizona to BMX riders, I drew the ire of skater-spooks who started spreading rumors about me.

    No due process.

    No evidence.

    No proof.

    The stay-puff-marshmallow psyche cultivated by the neo-culture infiltration of The US reduced public scrutiny of such claims, degrading due process to the extent that a mere accusation can ruin someone’s life.

    As long as we let people accuse President Trump without requiring evidence before mass-publication we will march right to civil war. Tthe MSM has run with several damning stories with incorrect evidence, confirming “spooky” biases and preserving cash flows.

    Due process is important, and it is better to let a guilty man go than to imprison someone who is innocent.

  34. mike from iowa 2019-11-09 13:41

    Johnny fraud, what policies? drumpf is in it for the millions he can milk and the taxes he can avoid paying and the inheritance tax his brats should be rightly tagged at 40%. (they may get it free)

    Other than that he has messed up foreign affairs, insulted every one of our allies, allowed Iran to start enriching uranium, gave little kim legitimacy no other potus would ever have dreamed of doing, messed up trade all over the world, gave Turkey the go ahead to annihilate of former Kurd asllies in Syria, praised Putin and other dictators, and made America a bigger laughing stock than dumbass dubya ever managed to.

  35. John Dale 2019-11-09 13:46

    mike from iowa – this post, for instance, is a great example of the abyss. It’s full of toxic accusations, slurs, defamation, and insults, and you speaking on behalf of someone else in order to besmirch and impugn their character.

    It is an example of how not to conduct oneself – try something less spooky .. a little less deep statey .. something that screams “I have completely sold-out!” a little less loudly.

    For starters, maybe just try speaking for yourself?

    That is all.

  36. mike from iowa 2019-11-09 13:46

    As long as we let people accuse President Trump without requiring evidence before mass-publication we will march right to civil war. Tthe MSM has run with several damning stories with incorrect evidence, confirming “spooky” biases and preserving cash flows.

    total dung heap fresh bull ROAR! You ascribe drumpf’s behavior to main stream media journalists. drumpf and info wars are notorious for spewing bull with no sources whatsoever. Name one legitimate source drumpf ever used to back up any of the lies he tells.

  37. Porter Lansing 2019-11-09 13:55

    Marana is Tucson. And that’s where the people looking for you live, huh? Witness protectioners get new names.
    You surely don’t know anything about how rural SD males are raised since you weren’t raised in SD, like I was. Never been on an ESD farm? Don’t even know what ESD stands for? This is a serious issue and your BS isn’t needed. It’s like when you insult cancer patients with the crap about their phones. Go spin on it!

  38. Debbo 2019-11-09 14:28

    Dale, did you read the article Dr. Newquist linked to? If not, be brave and read the entire thing.

    Dr. Newquist, that article takes me right back to the 80s farm crisis, to the suicides, to my father’s severe depression, to the neighbor’s fraud of selling cattle with a lein on them, etc. It breaks my heart down.

    Porter is right about Midwestern and Plains farmers, nearly all white males, and their inability to accept and deal with their feelings. It’s simply a fact as much as it’s a fact that Native women are much more likely to be victims of violence and sexual assault.

    NoMa’am needs to get her a$$ in gear and have that mental health system up and running. She also needs to be devoting most of her time and energy to helping farmers. Find $ to improve roads so they can get their crops to market.

    Get after Thin and Roundy and Dustmop to actually serve SD. Send $ to meet these needs. Create a fund for newly widowed mothers like Amber to help them over this time. Send free experts out to help her navigate the financial situation. Set up some loan forgiveness, at least partial.

    The needs are so great, but the SDGOP doles out pale partisan pablum, plays with more EB5 to line their pockets, supports Criminal Conspirator, and nods like bobbleheads whenever Moscow Mitch speaks. Meanwhile farm families are drowning. The SDGOP makes me deeply sick. 🤮🤮🤮

  39. Debbo 2019-11-09 14:38

    Mike, excellent Stone Kettle link. Hightower writes so well.

  40. mike from iowa 2019-11-09 14:52

    Cong rats, Debbo. Minn 31 State Penn 26.

  41. Debbo 2019-11-09 15:02

    There are giddy maroon and gold people tonight!

  42. Robin Friday 2019-11-09 15:52

    Jerry, the difference is that nowadays (and it’s been that way as long as I can remember) the Farm Bureau is by and large, conservative Republican philosophy following people who, by and large, would and do follow Trump and believe what he tells them. Farmers Union is, by and large,
    at the other end of the line. So I always wonder if these reporters go to a Farm Bureau meeting to relay what all farmers seem to think, and then tell us what they’re thinking. And of course we eat together sometimes. We’re good folks.

  43. Robin Friday 2019-11-09 16:11

    What I’ve always wondered is how can a man consider suicide because his life is not working economically the way he planned. How can he leave a wife and children with double the mess that he had? Doesn’t he know that if he couldn’t handle it the way it was, then how does he expect her and the children to handle twice the problems he had? Apparently he’s not thinking of her. Or them. How do we help her? I’m not going to call him coward, because she still loves him and that doesn’t help her.

  44. Debbo 2019-11-09 16:25

    Robin, when my family was still on the farm, my parents described FU as the family farmer’s org and FB as the corporate ag/big business ag bunch. Sounds like it’s still true.

    I’d never describe someone who suicides as a coward. I also never describe their act as “committing suicide”, as if they’ve committed a crime. Suicide is a verb as well as noun.

    They’ve acted in a time of devastating, terrifying desperation that few people can imagine. Other times it’s a response to a level of hopeless weariness that feels impossibly heavy and monstrously relentless.

    I say these things because suicide has been stigmatized as an act deserving harsh judgment, but that’s simply not so. It’s an act deserving great sympathy, genuine pity and understanding for the actor and the loved ones who’ve survived it.

    I’d never encourage anyone to suicide, because it’s irreversible and leaves an indelible scar on the loved ones left behind. What I am encouraging is a merciful heart towards all involved.

  45. Robin Friday 2019-11-09 16:33

    Yes, Debbo, I didn’t mean to be blaming people for suicide. And I never would. And I know they’re desperate and we can’t understand their desperation. But still, I feel sorrier for her than I do for him. Is anybody thinking of those left behind?

  46. Porter Lansing 2019-11-09 16:47

    It’s rampant, up there. Two weeks ago I learned that the coolest, most popular, most musically talented student in the high school took his own life with a gun. I’m told he was behind on alimony. Tore me up.

  47. Debbo 2019-11-09 17:14

    Robin said, “I feel sorrier for her than I do for him.”

    Me too. She’s got to figure out how to live with the consequences. That’s why I think there should be programs to help the families left behind.

  48. Porter Lansing 2019-11-09 17:39

    Things have changed.
    – It is helpful to refer to this death as“death by suicide,” rather than saying a person “committed suicide,” which infers a deliberate choice to end one’s life. The decision is more likely a choice to end the pain and anguish that a victim of suicide is suffering. If a person survives the attempt, great care and love can be offered by family, friends, and professionals to assure the person he/she is loved and can find help in coping with the issues that cause such a depth of pain.
    Finally, a Catholic who has died by suicide is deserving of a Catholic funeral and burial in consecrated ground. – The Catechism of the Catholic Church

  49. Certain Inflatable Recreational Devices 2019-11-09 19:40

    Dale, you oughta try it. Being a good person, that is. At least one day a week. How many signatures did you get on your pot petition?

  50. Debbo 2019-11-09 21:06

    Porter, I’m really sorry about that high school boy.

  51. John Kennedy Claussen, Sr., 2019-11-10 01:25

    This willingness upon the part of the agriculture community to still back Trump speaks to a darker thing, then just blind support. It speaks to the red versus blue divide. The white versus black divide. It explains why Trump’s forty percent of support is rock solid; a 40% which consists of almost all white voters and 80 to 90% of the GOP vote. It is this latter description, which also describes a good share of the agriculture community in this country. It’s an unfortunate reality that speaks to what the next national leader will be up against in a someday, and hopefully soon, post Trump world; a world that Trump did not make, but did expose, encourage, and manipulate for his benefit, and which will not go away immediately with Trump.

  52. Adam 2019-11-10 02:59

    Big Ag just swindled more small farmers out of business – again – so that Big Ag could gobble up more land.

    That’s all that happened here. Trump was just vessel for the policies. That’s all.

  53. leslie 2019-11-10 04:02

    “538 expects 11/2020 turnout to be ENORMOUS”

    Yes!!! :)

  54. leslie 2019-11-10 04:19

    Thx for the Platte link David. Sad sad sad. The convenience and near certainty of a gun. And the absurdity of free open carry and uproar of permitting guns in the capitol dome. Dumb dumb dumb. Important discussion Robin Debbo and Porter. Thx.

    Dale-“deep statey”, MSM, masonic hard on for 5G. Get a life, man. Grow up. 40s are tough, eh? Education didn’t take? :(

    BTW, over the years MFI has been right nearly all that time.

  55. John Dale 2019-11-10 08:25

    Porter Lansing – Marana is incorporated separately from Tucson. That is insulting to the people of both cities.

    You sound like a Phillip Morris Lawyer – deny deny deny is a Roger Stone strategy, but the evidence is already there .. we just need stockholders to pull out and lawyers to move in and do their most important job correctly, torte (yes, it gets abused, but is central to a free and fair market).

    Go on record, Porter – do you have any Cisco or other tech firmware/hardware stock in your portfolio? Otherwise, if you want faster data, pay for it and get fiber. If we all do that, the price will go down.

    mike from iowa – “Is it okay for a president to pressure a foreign government for help to win an election” — it is okay for a president to take a primary legal action against corruption, after which the byproduct could legally be that it hurts a corrupt political opponent.

    Debbo – is it okay for you to stereotype white male farmers like that? What were they like before 1950, when the globalist coup against The US launched? Should we have stayed-out of WWII? I think there may be some after this, therefore because of this at play with your analysis. Sending money doesn’t help. Trump is trying to fix the broken market that was created to drive everyone to the cities like cattle where they could be more properly “managed”. THAT is depressing!

    Robin Friday – regarding Farm Bureau, in my experience this is correct. The University community/ag/extension often works opposed to FB through the mis-application of herd management technology tested out on humans (in modern times, perhaps counter intuitively, suicide can come from external causes). Taking subsidies from the government when policies could be implemented properly favoring domestic markets and American innovation is .. well .. depressing. President Trump is trying to fix that situation ..

    Porter Lansing – “behind on alimony” – what forces resulted in the split-up of his family in the first place? I think I know …

    Debbo – like having an open border attracts more illegal aliens, huge insurance policies and programs that “help families left behind” could have DISASTROUS and disgusting consequences.

    Certain Inflatable Recreational Devices – “pot petition” – we gathered several fold more signatures this time than last time, and we created a nice database of politically active supporters. Over 80,000 signatures were collected in total toward legalization, and, as I have written many times before, it’s a win win win for Cannabis Consumers for Liberty. I am far more excited for this political season than for the last X-men movie (and I love comic movie remakes)

    John Kennedy Claussen, Sr. – let’s let the dust settle on this scuffle, here. I think farmers will be very happy with the results. Have you taken a gander at the USMCA and what that’ll do for farmers? Why isn’t Pelosi working on that?

    Adam – regarding big ag, large corporations like Monsanto and others are doing exactly what you say. They behave like big governments that have no respect for free markets or property rights. We never should have given corporations protected status, IMHO. I’d like to see a fracturing of the ag market and a whole host of next generation farmers and ranchers producing the highest quality food using the technology being hoarded by global elite corporations.

    leslie – justify your position, lest anything you assert without evidence can be discounted without evidence. I’d like to recommend a book for you. It’s called “confessions of an illuminati” – I interviewed the author on my show if you don’t have time to find and read it. OTO Masons are pukes, and OES bitties are annoying. Read about it, then we should have this discussion. Obviously, secret organizations are not my bag, baby.

    mike from iowa – I can really see you being a big fan of that wet noodle Paul Krugman. Bravo! Made my morning. :D

  56. jerry 2019-11-10 09:42

    Ignoring evidence is an American parlor game that is particularly prevalent in ag country.
    We ignore the actual news and think that because Chubby says there’s a deal, there is one. We ignore climate change because Chubby says that’s a hoax, that China caused and then we here, can’t sell China ag products. Guess who can? Canada.

    “OTTAWA—Canada said Tuesday that shipments of meat to China would resume following a more than four-month pause sparked by Beijing’s concerns over forged export certificates, signaling a possible thaw in a trade-and-diplomatic row fueled by the arrest of a senior Huawei Technologies Co. executive.”

    It looks like we could sell Canada our bins filled with soybeans and corn for one helluva haircut loss and they then could broker a deal with China for resale. Booyah!

  57. Debbo 2019-11-10 12:36

    The Strib has a nice interview with attorney Kate Graham, New Ulm, MN. She specializes in elder and farm law, specifically inheritance. It’s clear that she really cares about farming and the small towns farms sustain.

    Graham is concerned about absentee landowners who may not know a thing about farming, sustainable practices, riparian buffers, no till, etc. They just receive a check.

    On her list of concerns is how fewer farms, but larger, decimate small towns. Graham urges farmers to write wills with succession plans included.

    Here’s how Graham wants farmers to think about succession: She knows that it’s not unusual that there are no children who want to be farmers, but she urges farmers to think about continuing their family’s legacy of care for the land. In the will, plan for the land to go to a young farmer starting out. (Interest in farming among young people is higher than it’s been in decades.)

    Lest anyone doubts that Kate Graham gets it about family farming, there’s this:

    “The relationship that farmers have with their land is extraordinary. It’s a beautiful way to understand our connection to the earth in a very tangible way. I hope that people can get interested in these issues even if they’re city people, because I think hanging onto that understanding of our connectedness to land is something that as modern urban people we don’t get to experience most of the time. Farms have a lot in common with other small businesses, but the thing that really makes it different is that connection to land. It’s hard to sum it up in words. It’s an emotional, physical, spiritual connection that people have and it can’t be reduced to the same kind of fungible, transactional nature of other types of properties. And that’s a good thing, because we depend on it for our existence and I think we forget that.”

  58. Debbo 2019-11-10 13:05

    The Opinion pages of the Strib has a piece entitled “trump Slump.” That’s author Mike Meyers’ name for the coming recession. puts recession prior to the 2020 election odds at 41%. Institute for Economic Research says 25% and Mortgage Bankers Association says 50/50.

    Meyers lists all the factors we already know and have listed on DFP about Economic Oaf’s blunders.

    The trump Slump

  59. mike from iowa 2019-11-10 13:17

    Paul krugman won a Nobel Prize for Economics and is a distinguished Professor.

    Alex Jones just lost another defamation case and is looking at moar lawsuits for outing a jury member and giving that person the wrong name. Can you say Fraud’s buddy is gonna lose his arse in court again? Because I can.

    That former Obama official is receiving death threats. Something Alex Jones should watch out for. Jones and other wingnuts have taken “character assassination” to a whole new level.

  60. John Dale 2019-11-10 15:19

    mike from iowa – Paul Krugman is a hack. Adolf Hitler was nominated for a Nobel in 1939. I’m not a fan of the NPP. It doesn’t much recognize what a person has built or done, but tries to maximize political advantage. I can see why you like it, mike.

    Post a link with a single adjudicated loss by Alex Jones in one of these sham lawfare defamation suits.—the-most-controversial-winners-of-the-nobel-peace-prize-.SyZCGzpTOH.html

  61. jerry 2019-11-10 15:42

    Adam is correct, when the trump slump happens, there will be more opportunities to pick up land, with full bins, at fire sale prices, just like the 80’s for Wall Street investors. Farm Bills don’t help small farms or ranches, that is the big myth about it all. All that big time money doesn’t trickle down to them, it goes to Wall Street and the lobbyists. Recessions only happen to the small farms and ranches. As Perdue says, get big or get out and he ain’t the only republican that has said that.

  62. jerry 2019-11-10 16:07

    The Wall Street scheme is pretty easy to see, all you have to look to is the Munchkin running the treasury.

    “Money from pension funds has fueled the financial sector’s massive move into farmland investing over the past decade. The number of pension funds involved in farmland investment and the amount of money they are deploying into it is increasing, under the radar. This unprecedented take-over of farmland by financial companies has major implications for rural communities and food systems, and must be challenged. Leaving it to the companies to police themselves with their own voluntary guidelines is a recipe for disaster.”

    Face it ag producers, republicans ain’t into you. They only want to squeeze the life blood from you so you will sell or die. Keep voting for them to prove the point.

  63. mike from iowa 2019-11-10 16:32

    I think I found where the troll gets his psy-ops, deep state, George Soros, etc., talking points from.

    This brief has something for everyone and includes nice people like Lee Stranahan and Alex Jones. Amazing how these two sound so much like our resident troll, imho. Only thing missing was mention of 5G and I may have missed that.

  64. Debbo 2019-11-10 18:53

    Mike, we’ve posted links on DFP several times about good ole “AJ’s” repeated court defeats, yet dale wants to see links.

    Hey Dale, there are optometrists in Spearfish. I’m not posting again because you don’t pay attention.

  65. Roger Cornelius 2019-11-10 19:59

    One of the many things I have learned about Trumpers is that when they are on the losing side of an argument they will demand facts or evidence.
    John Dale is a perfect disciple of a Trumper.

  66. Debbo 2019-11-10 20:07

    True, Roger. 100% true. 😁

  67. Debbo 2019-11-10 20:28

    “Trump is ruining our markets,” Bob Kuylen, a North Dakota farmer, told CNBC in August. “No one is buying our product no more, and we have no markets no more.”

    “There’s no incentive to keep farming, except that I’ve invested everything I have in farming, and it’s hard to walk away,” he said.

    National Memo

  68. Robin Friday 2019-11-10 21:31

    John Dale–President Trump is trying to fix what’s troubling and depressing farmers by destroying our markets with tariff meddling and by messing with the free market and then offering hated subsidies which don’t cover the losses farmers suffer, that’s fixing things?

  69. John Dale 2019-11-10 22:29

    jerry – “Face it ag producers, republicans ain’t into you”

    It ain’t republicans, it ain’t democrats, it’s neos. Neos (global banks, global corporations) want to own everything.

    Debbo – “we’ve posted links on DFP several times about good ole “AJ’s” repeated court defeats”

    I used very specific language in my question/challenge. Read it and address it, or you have lost the argument. For a refresher: “adjudicated losses”. Read it and weep? Settling doesn’t count .. what is happening to AJ is an abuse of torte.

    Debbo – “when they are on the losing side of an argument they will demand facts or evidence”

    This is hilarious. :) We say, “prove it”. You say, “[you’ve lost, why ask for proof that you have lost? Do you not see me waving my hands?]”

    Robin Friday – “tariff meddling”

    Free markets within the US have been broken by globalist multinational corporate control over our institutions (private and public). This must be addressed domestically to avoid selling-out the republic. Selling out the republic creates countermanding currents to the charter of government officials – “continuity”. Domestic producers can’t sell-out the continuity of the republic in the name of “free markets”. National suicide is not a coveted action within the framework of a free market!

    That is all.

  70. mike from iowa 2019-11-11 07:38

    Infowars founder Alex Jones has lost another legal battle against families who lost loved ones in the Sandy Hook Elementary School mass shooting.

    Jones must now pay all costs associated with an appeal filed against a parent of a Sandy Hook Elementary School victim, says the Texas Court of Appeals.

    Pay attention to the word “another.” Are you familiar with its meaning?

    Now stfu!

  71. John Dale 2019-11-11 08:01

    mike fcrom iowa – where is the link?

  72. Porter Lansing 2019-11-11 08:34

    Film recommendation for a detailed rundown of how Trump, Cambridge Analytica, Russia, and WikiLeaks cheated to beat Hillary Clinton. “THE GREAT HACK”
    ~ Many voting machines were compromised and their totals manipulated, also but the consequences of releasing that information would be too severe. Retaliation is always better. #DeepStateNews

  73. mike from iowa 2019-11-11 08:35

    Screw the link. Do you think I just pulled that article out of yer butt?

  74. John Dale 2019-11-11 09:12

    mike from iowa – John Dale 1 (conservative estimate), mike from iowa 0.

    Trying to pin vote fraud on the Trump campaign is revisionist history.


    If you weren’t spooks, you’d read up on Bev Harris:

    It’s over.


  75. Porter Lansing 2019-11-11 09:45

    Revisionist history and politically correct are wholly invalid terms.
    History is history. Correct is correct. No preface words, from back stroking conspiracy theorists, are appropriate.

  76. John Dale 2019-11-11 13:16

    David Newquist – American farmers were hurting before President Trump, weren’t they? Also, when studying the means and motives of those attacking President Trump, shouldn’t we consider that those who really caused this through bad policy decades ago would love a scape goat?

    Heading down the path we were on would result in no farmers. President Trump is trying to reverse that, but it will take a lot of effort to restore American greatness.

    Just my opinion.

  77. mike from iowa 2019-11-11 13:49

    Johnny Fraud, yer bud drumpf has made a bad situation infinitely worse and he cannot fix it because he is too stoopid to know what he is doing. If he wasn’t stoopid he would never have lied about trade wars being easy to win. Plus, dummy drumpf has nothing at stake when he caves into China and blames everyone but you and himself.

    Take a good look at Iran enriching Uranium thanks to drumpf’s gross stoopidity. Gonna replace a good deal with something a whole lot worse, like a ground war. It is on yer head. You are the only one defending drumpf’s every move.

  78. jerry 2019-11-11 14:32

    Peter King (R) is being ensnared in the Ukraine Impeachment thingy as well. Cleaning House literally thanks to Chubby and the corrupted kings of Washington. Booyah! The boy has resigned. One more turd flushed.

  79. Debbo 2019-11-11 14:50

    Jerry, I want the criminal GOP turds flushed into the penal sewer system for a few decades. It’s the one thing they can finally actually do for their country.

    As for Dale’s hero and pal “AJ”, I’ll share a link from Columbia Law Review.

    Warning to all, we’re about to read some very creative song and dance from Dale as he tries to spin this for his hero. You’re familiar with whirling dervishes? 😆😆😆

  80. mike from iowa 2019-11-11 17:33

    Good job, Debbo. Make ’em sweat.

  81. jerry 2019-11-11 17:45

    Guess we veterans think Chubby a traitor for sure. Booyah! Lock him up! Take EB5 Rounds with and don’t forget Stretch the Russian 4th of July boy.

    “Trump met with ‘lock him up’ chants during Veterans Day Parade
    The ceremony comes a week after a judge found Mr Trump broke the law in using money raised to help veterans to fund his 2016 presidential campaign.”

  82. Debbo 2019-11-11 18:34

    That’s great Jerry. Stealing from any charity is loathsome.

  83. jerry 2019-11-11 21:00

    Farmers should be like prosecutors who don’t ignore the evidence of corruption. They should be more proactive. I wonder whatever happened to the farmers who drove their tractors to Washington. These guys didn’t ignore the evidence of corruption, they acted out. How many more farms will be sold to the highest pecking order and how many suicides will happen before farmers gather the gumption to actually do something rather than be destroyed?

    “Thousands of farmers made the trip to Washington in their tractors, traveling across the US at fifteen miles per hour and covering no more than one hundred miles per day. Collecting along highways, they traveled in convoy and descended on the nation’s capitol on February 5, 1979.”

    Of course, that was a Democratic president, Jimmy Carter, that farmers voted for and then because of the trade war, voted him out.

    Will farmers unite to do the same? Who the hell knows, but history does need to be repeated to keep on keeping on.

  84. John Dale 2019-11-12 09:52

    Debbo – that Columbia hit piece doesn’t quote the trial, nor does it appear to quote Jones once from his deposition, which I ACTUALLY WATCHED.

    It’s more “don’t speak since you disagree with me” BS.

    Also, could you point me to where in the article he lost anything in any lawsuit that was actually adjudicated? Last week, Jones claimed on his radio broadcast that he has FULL CUSTODY of his children.

    The people suing Jones are getting their 15 minutes of fame and settling. Meanwhile, Jones is still on the air and doing millions of dollars in business selling superior supplements and water/air filters like Super Male Vitality, Super Brain Force (my personal favorite), X2 Iodine, and Super12 B12 supplements (an amazing supplement).

  85. John Dale 2019-11-12 09:55

    jerry – was Trump convicted? Veterans uphold the Constitution, which says innocent until proven guilty.

    Farmers are being proactive in standing-up for Free Markets. While we’re at it, let’s get rid of the H1B so US Stem graduates aren’t getting undercut while greedy corporations outsource the construction of anti-constitutional systems to unqualified, untalented hacks from foreign countries.

    The coup against President Trump is despicable, and sets an awful precedent. You can bet that this will result in more persecution of the next Democratic president (if there is one).

  86. mike from iowa 2019-11-12 10:07

    Alex Jones loses primary custody; ex-wife gets joint custody ..

  87. mike from iowa 2019-11-12 10:09

    Troll is moving the goal posts again. You lost, Fraud. stfu and go home.

  88. John Dale 2019-11-12 10:09

    you’re not very good at this evidence thing, mike .. also, your intentionally colloquial “stoopid Drumpf” slander was curiously missing from your post. Are you losing a step?

    I quoted from Alex Jones this week .. I think you’re quoting from something you heard from a third party months (maybe years) ago.

  89. John Dale 2019-11-12 10:10

    mike from iowa – I think have your hustle figured-out. Just take responsibility and sign your real name. :D

    What did I lose?

  90. John Dale 2019-11-12 10:17

    “Whether you’re a Democrat or a Republican, whether you’re from New York or the middle of the country, you should be frightened by efforts to try to create crimes out of nothing,” said Alan Dershowitz.

  91. jerry 2019-11-12 10:22

    Whether you wipe with your right hand or left hand. Alan Dumbowhiz is a tool and most likely, another Epstein Pedophile.

  92. John Dale 2019-11-12 10:39

    mike from iowa – during the Obama years, we had a great little dairy in our area that was under attack and marginalized until they had to go out of business. Sad .. they had great milk and really knew how to manage their cows.

  93. John Dale 2019-11-12 10:39

    jerry – point is, the impeachment thing is a sham.

  94. Porter Lansing 2019-11-12 10:40

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    – The technology to produce the protein found in air-based meat allows for protein to be made in a matter of days instead of months, and independently of weather conditions or seasons. The process is similar to making yogurt or beer and requires just a tiny fraction of the land used in traditional meat production.

  95. Anne 2019-11-12 10:43

    To paraphrase a current meme:

    A farmer voting for Trump is like a chicken voting for Col. Sanders.

  96. Porter Lansing 2019-11-12 10:56

    “point is, the impeachment thing is a sham” is cheating our American democracy. Democrats stand for more than that and justice will be served.

  97. John Dale 2019-11-12 11:02

    Porter Lansing – “cheating our American democracy”

    I’m registered as Independent. Hillary’s primary run and the cheating in FL was offensive to American democracy and I.

    President Trump’s presidency has been under attack since before day one.

    Do you seriously believe this, or are you a deep state spook?

  98. Porter Lansing 2019-11-12 11:03

    I’m a deep state spook. You’re a frozen state kook.

  99. John Dale 2019-11-12 11:05

    da da CHING!

    Last time I was called a kook was by a teenage wood pusher pissed I got BMX into a skate park in Marana.

    Congrats on achieving that mental state as (presumably) an older person.

    Stay young, porter. Shred the gnar.

  100. jerry 2019-11-12 13:25

    Point is impeachment is the answer to corruption. Lock him up, Lock Chubby up!!

  101. jerry 2019-11-12 13:30

    Hillary Clinton says that the UK deserves to see and hear the Russia Report that is destroying their country as Russia is destroying ours. How much better off would the world and this country had been with a Hillary Clinton presidency should not even be a question, it should be a fact.

  102. jerry 2019-11-12 13:33

    Farmers would be selling ag products, the Kurds would still be taking care of the ISIS business that we saddled them with. Iran would not be mixin up the uranium. Instead, we have the blundering fools, called accomplices of Chubby, running us into the ditch.

  103. Porter Lansing 2019-11-12 13:38

    So true, Jerry. All because Big Donnie couldn’t resist the urine dancers. He can’t wait to revisit the scene of the splash, either!

  104. jerry 2019-11-12 13:57

    Porter, when Stretch traitored out with the 4th of July visit to his mother Russia, I wonder if he got appeased upon by those dancers as well. That whole crew looked like a bunch of frat boys on spring break.

  105. bearcreekbat 2019-11-12 14:07

    Maybe Republican farmers would be supportive of a Congressional action authorizing financial support to a foreign country like Iraq, Saudi Arabia or the Ukraine on the condition that such country publicly announce an investigation of President Trump for alleged misuse of Presidential power?

    After all, isn’t it the Republican position that President Trump could do the same thing by withholding allocated funds until a foreign country publicly annouced it would investigate an American citrizen (who, coincidentally just happened to be the current top political opponent of the President)?

    And maybe, just maybe, Republican farmers would also support placing judicial review of the President’s conduct in the hands of a foreign nation’s court system? Sharia law anyone? You know, “sauce for the gander?”

  106. jerry 2019-11-12 14:12

    Impeachment testimony coming soon

  107. John Dale 2019-11-12 14:27

    jerry – “Hillary Clinton” – the woman whose campaign stole the primary from Bernie and his bros? Because the Clinton brand of totalitarianism is nothing like Hitler’s?

    Syria IS the ditch. We’re getting OUT of the ditch!

    “Urine Dancers” – are you genuflecting to the moral superiority of the neoliberals? *facepalm*

    bearcreekbat – ” financial support to a foreign country like Iraq, Saudi Arabia or the Ukraine on the condition that such country publicly announce an investigation of President Trump”

    Really? This is a very bad idea. AMERICA FIRST.

    Impeachment testimony – pacify the neoliberals .. please the neocons, pee on everybody else.

    Is peaceful democratic leadership enough at this point?

  108. bearcreekbat 2019-11-12 15:24

    But, but it was okay for Trump to do this to Biden with the Ukraine, right Dale? What about “sauce for the gander?”

  109. mike from iowa 2019-11-12 15:29

    Only a troll could possibly believe we are getting out of Syria. drumpf wants the oil for his own pocketbook and is not shy about using American lives to enrich himself.

    Saudi Crown Prince stated Kushner is in his pocket.Unholy alliance between muslin and jew. Kushner apparently walked names of Saudi dissidents to Crown prince when he started imprisoning his family and relatives during his takeover.

    And fraud lied again saying impeachment is a coup. Nope. No way. Not under any legal definition.

  110. Porter Lansing 2019-11-12 15:33

    PredictIt has odds on a Trump impeachment in his first term. YES = 78% NO = 22%
    i.e. – We can get 4 to 1 on a thousand dollar bet if we think Trump won’t get impeached. Even The Kook wouldn’t take that bet.

  111. John Dale 2019-11-12 15:35

    Porter – “bet”

    I don’t gamble.

    mike – “Only a troll could possibly believe we are getting out of Syria”

    Only a sith .. etc etc yadda yadda.

  112. mike from iowa 2019-11-12 15:36

    Wingnut Jim Jordan, the clown prince of wingnut’s feeble attempts to disrupt a legal impeachment proceeding, was telling Jake Tapper there is no comparison to Biden’s son allegedly making moola because f his Dad’s position and Veep and Ivanka Drumpf reaping millions while being an unelected, unqualified spook in her Dad’s kremlin annex.

    Jordan, like Johnny Fraud continues the tired lie that Biden forced out a prosecutor who was investigating his son. That is a blatant,easily provable and debunked lie.

  113. mike from iowa 2019-11-12 15:39

    I quoted from Alex Jones this week ..

    Alex jones makes stuff up. He is a proven liar. Kinda reminds me of someone…….

  114. John Dale 2019-11-12 16:00

    mike from iowa – I think it’s great you’ve adopted my style of quote-response since this forum isn’t threaded.

    “Alex Jones making stuff up” .. from you? Nice. :D

    You may be confusing analysis with conviction.

  115. Porter Lansing 2019-11-12 16:26

    Do it, Hillary. Do it just to make Dale eat crow. Ha ha haha lol 😂
    Hillary Clinton on Tuesday declined to rule out launching a future presidential campaign after her two failed bids, saying “many, many, many people” were pressuring her to enter the race.

  116. mike from iowa 2019-11-12 16:34

    Just thought I would toss this out there.

    How the Roberts Court Abandoned Bipartisan Consensus
    Under the chief justice, 73 decisions have been decided 5–4 along partisan lines. And 73 times, the big Republican donor interest won.

    Adopted, Fraud? Surely you jest. I mock you.

    From Slate.

  117. Debbo 2019-11-12 16:42

    Columbia Law Review is an exemplary source that correctly and honestly and thoroughly discredits Dale’s boyfriend “AJ.” All Dale can say is that he doesn’t believe CLR. That’s not much, but all he’s got.

    Go ahead Dale, keep linking to your honey and your blog. We’ll keep ignoring them because those are genuine examples of bogus sites. 😁

  118. jerry 2019-11-12 18:06

    China, Russia, Syria, Turkey et al. want Chubby to win in 2020. They are becoming even greater and stronger while we continue to be the dwarfed by them. Looks like the 80’s are back, get your disco regalia out. Hillary Clinton was right in that interview, the proof will be shown in the impeachment thingy coming tomorrow. Stay tuned!!

  119. John Dale 2019-11-12 18:06

    Debbo – “Dale’s boyfriend”

    If I was a girl, I’d totally date him.

    Regarding the lawsuits, you conveniently ignore the semantics. Good for you .. having your head in the sand is warm during these cold SD winters!

    I’d like to see Tulsi/Paul.

    Whatever you do, do not visit InfoWars .. or PlainsTribune .. like EVER.

    Es ist verboten!!!

    My posts are probably shadow-banned, anyway. This is just good typing practice.

  120. John Dale 2019-11-12 18:07

    I REALLY hope Hillary Runs.

    HRC 2020!

    Girl power!

  121. Porter Lansing 2019-11-12 18:20

    John – I don’t think she will. She’s just trying to stay relevant. I’d like to see her involved, though.
    Hope you get to see some of the impeachment hearings, tomorrow. Bigger than O.J., ‘ya know.
    *She was right on about Tulsi Gabbart. If anyone knows Putin, the Clinton’s know Putin and they scare the borscht out of that boy.

  122. Debbo 2019-11-12 18:25

    Dale’s got nothing. Zero.

    Keep talking Dale. Be sure to answer every single comment and have the last word. We know you can’t stand not to.

  123. mike from iowa 2019-11-12 18:42

    China really wants drumpf reelected because he is so easy to manipulate and can’t negotiate for sour owl feathers. One compliment about drumpf and he will be China’s beech forever.

  124. John Dale 2019-11-12 18:57

    Debbo – “[I’m replying to you .. and making fun of you replying to others .. nyuk nyuk .. stop talking Mr. Dale .. pleeeeaasse?]”

    I don’t respond to everything mike from iowa says .. I try, but sometimes his insights leave me speechless.


  125. Roger Cornelius 2019-11-12 19:02

    mike from Iowa,
    Word is that Trump does not have a deal with China, none what so ever.
    He never did have one and his talk about the second phase of the deal is pure BS.

  126. grudznick 2019-11-12 19:09

    Mr. C, I am glad to read you again here, sir. I had not seen you about town much lately and was beginning to worry.

  127. John Dale 2019-11-12 19:10

    One of the many ways President Trump has changed Washington, DC, is that he has awoken Democrats and Republicans to the gargantuan threat China poses not only to the U.S., but to the West and beyond. Beijing’s sins are capacious, ranging from mass spying, intellectual property threat, currency manipulation, and failure to uphold agreements with trading partners. The Communist country’s reported imprisonment of roughly one-million Uighur Muslims in the Xinjiang province. along with its draconian censorship and social credit rating system, are horrifying in their own way. Unsurprisingly, Savage has raised the alarm regarding the Red Dragon, and despite President Trump’s historic efforts to reverse Beijing’s unfair trade policies, he does not share the president’s optimism that a deal with the world’s second-largest economy is reachable.

    “It’s a smokescreen,” Savage says of the president’s ongoing negotiations with China. “The business interests in America are so powerful. They all oppose tariffs because they’ve gotten used to doing business with China and they don’t care about the longterm, holistic effects. They don’t care about trade imbalances, they don’t care about the military, all the care about is the bottom line.”

    “I believe the Better Business Bureau of America as represented by Mitch McConnell and company are totally opposed to tariffs and no matter what deal Trump announces, at the end of the day, there will be no deal. It will be the same deal that’ll screw the American people for all of these decades. I’m not optimistic at all,” he goes on.

  128. Debbo 2019-11-12 19:17

    Nope. He can’t help himself. Now that I’ve commented, he’ll have to do it again. Watch.

  129. Roger Cornelius 2019-11-12 19:18

    Grudz;s, I’m fine. Just don’t like going out in nasty weather.
    Besides, I doubt that we travel in the same parts of town

  130. John Dale 2019-11-12 19:19

    Hi Debbo – just a quick comment about your comment about my commenting.

    The reverse psychology and strange manipulation tactics don’t work on me .. much.

    Although *scratches head* maybe she wants me to post more, and I’m falling for her manipulations.


  131. Debbo 2019-11-12 19:44

    No manipulation. Just observation of your deep need to have the last word and respond to everyone. Appears there is some paranoia mixed in too. Now, comment again.

  132. grudznick 2019-11-12 20:07

    Ms. Geelsdottir, it is amusing to watch you attempt to best Mr. Dale, who schools you regularly. It entertains me, so you may continue.

  133. Roger Cornelius 2019-11-12 21:08

    Dr. Newquist’s Northern Valley Beacon is a must read. Keep in mind that the Impeachment hearing start tomorrow.

  134. jerry 2019-11-12 21:34

    Ah yes, the most wonderful time of this year, IMPEACHMENT EVE. Watching the republican accomplices trying to hide the truth is the joyful way to watch a party condone corruption at all levels. Those boys are in it for themselves, no giving presents just stealing them.

  135. Debbo 2019-11-12 22:10

    From the Strib:

    Sen. Debbie Stabenow, of Michigan, the top Democrat on the Senate Agriculture Committee, said the program also lacks any plan for rebuilding or replacing the markets that farmers have lost since they became caught up in the trade war last year.

    “This Administration’s chaotic trade agenda has irreparably harmed farmers, on top of the market instability and extreme weather challenges they already face,” Stabenow wrote in the letter signed by 14 other Democratic senators, including Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, of New York.

    Roger Johnson, president of the National Farmers Union, said the report highlights “gross disparities” from region to region. He noted that producers in western and northern soybean country, who typically shipped their crops to the Pacific Northwest for export to China, suddenly took a big price hit because they had nowhere to send their beans. Yet, he said, it shows the money flowed disproportionately to southern farmers.

  136. John Dale 2019-11-13 07:32

    Debbo –

    There once was a gal named Debbo,
    Whose name barely rhymed with Joe Neeb-o,
    She wrote on the net,
    till her brow was wet,
    with the sweet sweat of victory on the web-o.


    Impeachment is inconvenient, but beyond my control.

    If/when it happens, my life will go on. So will yours. And so will the electorate’s.

    If it doesn’t, take solace, ye Internet pilgrims, in how your online predictions aren’t being compiled against you.

    My question is this – while you’re distracted with the isht-show, how many city council meetings have you attended?

  137. mike from iowa 2019-11-13 08:04

    To add more insult to enormous injury for farmers, propane is in short supply to dry corn crops. Means the costs go up exponentially and profit, if any, shrink even moar.

  138. John Dale 2019-11-13 12:19

    Yikes .. Castor just outed Hunter Biden as being at the center of an enormously corrupt oil/gas company in Ukraine after Schiff witness tampered in front of the entire country (even the witness was laughing at this Schiff show). YIKES.

  139. Cory Allen Heidelberger Post author | 2019-11-13 12:32

    Castor is playing word games and asking ungermane questions.

    And John, you have no moral basis for questioning Debbo’s civic involvement and suggesting that she’s paying too much attention to national politics and not enough to local politics when you’ve said little here about local policy and drive this post into triple-digit comments in a maze of impeachment brouhaha.

  140. John Dale 2019-11-13 12:42

    Castor’s questions fantastically demonstrate that Trump’s desire to delay aid were justified, and that the Bidens were linked to known corrupt elements in Ukraine.

    I found his questions algorithmic, cogent, pointed, and demonstrable.

    Regarding Debbo – as far as I can tell, I was pushing back against her desire to word police and dictate the manner in which I reply.

    I also thought I provided a very respectful if not artful contribution to the conversation.

    My comment regarding local civic engagement was directed to anyone paying disproportionate attention to national politics over local politics.

    For the record, I spend a significant portion of my time focused on Spearfish and SD civic engagement.

    I went back through my comments and didn’t find anything that I would consider disrespectful from me toward Debbo.

    On behalf of “mike from iowa” toward me, however .. not so much, but I’m not really keeping score.

    Lastly, I maintain that this impeachment thing is a sham, and have seen no evidence suggestion that Schiff is NOT covering crimes of the previous administration and weaponizing our legal system to do it.

  141. Porter Lansing 2019-11-13 13:02

    Trump should be impeached and then removed from the Presidency because the testimony of the Impeachment Hearings shows that Trump attempted to cheat the 2020 election. And, he attempted to use a foreign government to do this deed. Both are impeachable offenses by statute.

  142. John Dale 2019-11-13 13:07

    Porter Lansing – what you’re saying is ludicrous.

    President Trump’s role as President is to do deals with other countries.

    What has been manufactured in the narrative to protect Hillary Clinton State and Obama POTUS from prosecution (neither had the courage to correct the malfeasance of the CIA, and simply promulgated it) is indicative that the patriots in our country elected a man to fix the issue and protect the rest of the world from our out of control State Dept and CIA.

    How DARE President Trump!

  143. mike from iowa 2019-11-13 13:10

    Castor is getting roasted alive on the “Net. Many people have decided he was a graduate of Drumpf U and this is his first attempt at throwing clients way under the bus.

  144. John Dale 2019-11-13 13:13

    Right on cue, here comes “mike from iowa” with a stoopid Drumph cheap shot.

    I’m sure we agree, though, that the corruption has to stop, and that historically it emanates from our own State Dept and CIA.

  145. mike from iowa 2019-11-13 13:18

    Fraud, on the outside chance you give up your fever dreams about drumpf and Jones, maybe you will get some respect. You sure as hell haven’t earned any, yet.

    Moron wingnut Mark Meadows is trying to convince people everyone has their own idea what facts are. I suppose us in the real world have reaL facts and proof, while wingnuts and their as & as like the troll labor with alternative ramblings.

  146. Porter Lansing 2019-11-13 13:37

    John Dale refers to my conclusion of the hearings as “ludicrous”. John. That’s your defense of my evidence driven assertion that Trump attempted to cheat the election? Is that all you have?
    President Trump’s job isn’t to blackmail foreign Presidents to aid him in his domestic political objectives. That’s cheating and is an impeachable offense.

  147. Robin Friday 2019-11-13 16:08

    George Conway (yes, THAT George Conway) was on a panel on MSNBC with Nicole Wallace (which I think is hysterical) but he was so good. I so agree because he said what I’ve always said, which is that Trump just doesn’t understand, doesn’t know his job, doesn’t comprehend, doesn’t know what he’s doing. He’s doing what he’s always done, trying to control everything in his environment, everything in his world as if it was his to control. And now he doesn’t comprehend that the whole world is not his to control as it was when he made all the rules.

  148. Debbo 2019-11-13 16:27

    Robin, he’s been so far over his head since the day he started kindergarten.

    Still waiting for a response to these facts from a very reputable source regarding the topic of this thread, Economic Oaf’s destruction of SD’s agricultural sector.

    From the Strib:

    Sen. Debbie Stabenow, of Michigan, the top Democrat on the Senate Agriculture Committee, said the program also lacks any plan for rebuilding or replacing the markets that farmers have lost since they became caught up in the trade war last year.

    “This Administration’s chaotic trade agenda has irreparably harmed farmers, on top of the market instability and extreme weather challenges they already face,” Stabenow wrote in the letter signed by 14 other Democratic senators, including Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, of New York.

    Roger Johnson, president of the National Farmers Union, said the report highlights “gross disparities” from region to region. He noted that producers in western and northern soybean country, who typically shipped their crops to the Pacific Northwest for export to China, suddenly took a big price hit because they had nowhere to send their beans. Yet, he said, it shows the money flowed disproportionately to southern farmers.

  149. leslie 2019-11-13 16:46

    Shadow-banned? WTF? What a waste of time!

    Krugman a wet noodle??? 4.5M twitter followers, for one. NYT Ops. Where do you get your nicknames, Trump? Krugman may be one of the most influential economists. Liberal yes! Arguing with you is like this:

    Rutger Bregman, historian. Liberal. Yes!

    “the woman whose campaign stole the primary from Bernie and his bros?” Really? And brothers??

    Because the Clinton brand of totalitarianism is nothing like Hitler’s? Huh?

    What are you talking about Dale? You are incapable of translating world events factually. I am sorry. Stop inflating threads to 147 posts. Geez. Your “lense” is out of focus. Go back to college. Study history, or mathematics. Search for real truth. “Conspiracies” have taken you down, friend. We are all brothers and sisters. But Alex Jones has made you his fool. Fox News. Rupert Murdoch. Rush Limbaugh. These sinister forces have created this divide which now threatens the world. Not just locally, regionally, but nationally and internationally!

    This drivel you continue to spout does real damage every time you open your mouth on this widely read and regarded blog, Dale ….

    P.S. Sometimes … but never ..

    Gargantuan China threat??? Did you forget the pivot to Asia and the Pacific?

  150. mike from iowa 2019-11-13 17:34

    Good job, Debbo.

  151. Debbo 2019-11-13 18:31

    Thanks Mike. And good link.

  152. jerry 2019-11-13 19:53

    Astounding link mfi, we’uns in Big Trouble in Little China. Sometimes, you have to destroy the village to save it. So now that we know the plan, we had better plan for a future that is like republican accomplices of Chubby trumpy, not so bright.

    Did anyone catch the IMPEACHMENT hearings? Amazing corruption, so some farmers and others are making a killing, while others are killing themselves.

  153. mike from iowa 2019-11-14 11:56

    Moar drumpf trade news on ag buying by China…… The Wall Street Journal reported on Wednesday reported that U.S.-China talks had hit a snag over farm purchases, with Beijing balking at committing to a hard number in the text of the agreement while President Donald Trump has claimed China agreed to buy $50 billion of products a year. News reports have also highlighted a dispute over tariffs, with Beijing said to be insisting that existing tariffs be rolled back while the White House has resisted.

    Drumpf tossed out a figure for home consumption and optimism and China had to wipe the lie off drumpf’s piehole.

    China did agree to lift ban on chicken so they might buy a billion dollars worth of poultry.

  154. Debbo 2019-11-14 14:16

    Liar-in-Chief just can’t help himself. He opens his gaping maw and lies tumble out by the thousands and thousands. Zero integrity.

  155. mike from iowa 2019-11-16 10:39

    Johnny Fraud, the link wasn’t about milk.It was about all the American companys going bankrupt in the past year under drumpf. Do try to keep up.

  156. John Dale 2019-11-18 15:24

    leslie – “Shadow-banned? WTF? What a waste of time!”

    I seem to have struck a nerve.

    I’ve been shadow banned from three major websites and several smaller independent sites.

    How would someone even test this?

    Yes, I think Krugman is a quack that is wrong a lot.

    Through the past few months, I have quantified, defined, demonstrated my claims in this post regarding the Clinton cartel. I’d refer you to those.

    It is my honor to get people thinking about issues in a different way through the logical organization of facts, evidence, and intellectual algorithm.

    I would be surprised if I have affected the circulation of DFP negatively.

  157. John Dale 2019-11-18 15:26

    Porter Lansing – “President Trump’s job isn’t to blackmail foreign Presidents to aid him in his domestic political objectives”

    It would be impeachable if it were true. We now now that the Ukrainian President had positive praise for the call, and that Hunter Biden was under suspicion and investigation for his association to the Ukrainian oil industry DURING THE OBAMA PRESIDENCY.

    The impeachment thing is cover for the latest FISA abuses being pushed through in the house by neocons and neoliberals.

  158. mike from iowa 2019-11-18 15:47

    Let’s see the evidence, Johnny fraud. I hope it is verifiable by someone other than you and 5G.

  159. Debbo 2019-11-18 17:28

    “Through the past few months, I have quantified, defined, demonstrated my claims in this post regarding the Clinton cartel.”

    No. Actually you haven’t. Not once. Your sources are all bogus, every single one of them. That’s what you don’t get. I refer you to pretty much every response any of us have written to you.

  160. Debbo 2019-11-18 17:42

    I have information on the origin and true meaning of “Deep State.”

    Mike Lofgren wrote a book titled “Deep State,” the source of the (cue scary music) dark and ominous DEEP STATE. He wrote an op ed published in today’s Strib. Lofgren writes,

    As the author who popularized this term, I’m invoking the privilege of correcting them. There is no deep state as the right imagines it — that is, a secret cabal of government insiders hellbent on undermining the White House. Rather, it is Trump himself, under the camouflage of populist rhetoric, who has overseen the open expansion of the deep state: entrenched interests gaining outsize influence and setting their own policy agenda, unchecked by the will of the people, their elected representatives or the civil servants meant to regulate them.

    I wrote my book “The Deep State” to capture a phenomenon I had noticed over my 30 years as a Republican staffer in Congress. Despite the fiercely partisan atmosphere of the Obama presidency, policy largely remained on the same course as under his predecessor, George W. Bush, who had foundered on the twin rocks of a Middle East quagmire and a financial meltdown. Barack Obama continued Bush’s misadventures abroad while committing a huge, unforced error of his own by intervening in Libya. He cleaned up the financial crash by bailing out banks but providing little relief to homeowners. Even his health care bill, which Republicans decried as virtual Stalinism, copied the conservative Heritage Foundation’s 1990s proposal. It seemed that whichever party controlled government, a kind of GPS ensured that the arrow always pointed in the same direction: toward money.

    Now there is something real. It’s always about the $.

  161. Debbo 2019-11-18 17:49

    A little more, since it’s paywalled:

    When I published “The Deep State” in 2016, it garnered favorable reviews and some affirmation on the left. But in the fever swamps of the far right, where conspiracy theories about black helicopters and FEMA concentration camps were the daily diet, the book really raised the temperature. In 2016, “deep state” appeared only 64 times in TV transcripts, according to an NPR analysis. In 2017, the phrase rocketed to 2,300 mentions, and then to almost 5,000 in 2018.

    The term quickly became a cliché, spawning copycat books by right-wing ankle-biters, in which they labeled whatever they disliked the “deep state.”

    trump, who campaigned on fighting the deep state, has instead installed the deep state 2.0: even more corrupt, more contemptuous and more in-your-face to citizens who object. In voting to throw the bums out, his supporters got the same old policies, only this time exacerbated by unbridled corruption and contempt for the Constitution. Hoping to drive the deep state away, they installed it in the seat of power, where it’s sprawled out more comfortably than ever.

  162. John Dale 2019-11-19 12:54

    “There is no deep state as the right imagines it”

    Great. Here we go again. Commandeer, redefine, and project.

    We have a big government problem .. sprawling bureaucracies that morph, evolve, change, and enact de-facto legislation without oversight.

    Elections matter. Bureaucracies don’t (as much).

  163. John Dale 2019-11-19 13:00

    Debbo – “Your sources are all bogus”

    Just today I quoted the AP.

    I have quoted some of the same sources as you.

    Clearly, you’re not doing your homework.

    “Deep state” – this is a classic deep state tactic – defray, distract, redefine, and project.

    You, through your actions, embody a deep state tactic. :D

  164. Porter Lansing 2019-11-19 13:05

    DEEP STATE on Display … Every witness in the Presidential Impeachment Hearing is Deep State. i.e. Career federal employees and/or military members who put America and our democracy and world mission ahead of a lying, cheating, half-legally elected President. Deep State is one of the jewels in the crown of USA and a national treasure, indivisible and promoting liberty and justice for all.

  165. Debbo 2019-11-19 13:38

    Okay Dale, not “all” your sources. “Most.”

    The point is, you haven’t proven or supported much of anything to anyone, except in your own deluded mind. You and your heroes, “AJ” and Liar-in-Chief. 🙄🙄🙄

  166. Debbo 2019-11-19 15:04

    Here’s something farmers don’t need.

    In western Minnesota a few cornfields have been booby trapped! There are chains wrapped around cornstalks or other metal placed in fields. WTH?!? The goal is apparently to damage combines, but who ??? And why ???
    An early guess is it’s anti GMO people, but no one knows yet. It’s just inexcusable!

  167. John Dale 2019-11-19 15:26

    Porter Lansing – “Deep State is one of the jewels in the crown of USA and a national treasure, indivisible promoting liberty and justice for all”

    Deep State is the bureaucratic totalitarianism that seems to manifest in every mature governmental society, its proverbial plumage being manifestation of rogue unelected organizations like the Stasi, Gestapo, CIA, FCC (5G), and FDA (Cannabis prohibitionists).

  168. Porter Lansing 2019-11-19 16:27

    You’re just paranoid, John. Deep State isn’t an organization at all. It’s individuals, acting personally to stop bad, elected, bullies from overstepping their limits. Think Swamp Fox, Zorro, and Batman. Don’t be afraid.
    *OK. You can be afraid that Jim Jordan might run against Adam Schiff for President.

  169. John Dale 2019-11-19 16:33

    Porter Lansing – “Deep State isn’t an organization at all”

    Trying to move the goal posts, again?

    At first, it didn’t exist. Now, it’s our hero.

    Here is the definitive genesis of the deep state:

    Since COG, it’s grown a lot of tentacles and ill advised breadth, much like Hitler’s enabling bureaucracy.

  170. Porter Lansing 2019-11-19 16:50

    COG isn’t anything but a plan that’s not been enacted. Deep State has a new individual, today. Kurt Volker. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

  171. John Dale 2019-11-19 16:53

    Porter Lansing – “COG isn’t anything but a plan that’s not been enacted”

    It’s an architecture document, not an implementation.

    Enough is enough.

    The political games aren’t fun for you anymore.

  172. John Dale 2019-11-19 16:55

    “I was never involved in anything I considered to be bribery at all. Or extortion. The phone call was exactly what I expected it would be.” – Ambassador Kurt Volker

  173. John Dale 2019-11-19 16:56

    A White House meeting was not a n”ecessary condition” or a “condition” according to Volker.

    This is a sham.

    A distraction.

  174. John Dale 2019-11-19 16:58

    VOLKER met w/ President Zelensky the day after the July 25 call. He doesn’t recall any concerns from Zelensky about call; Zelensky was positive about call; No indication of a quid pro quo, bribery, or extortion.

  175. Debbo 2019-11-19 17:51

    The traitorous GOP is trying hard and failing badly at protecting their criminal leader. The GOP’s Designated Interrupter, don’t recall her name, is driving donations to her Democratic opponent in her reelection bid. Since the hearings began the Democrat has raked in more than $1 million.

    People really don’t like the GOP, understandably. American values are diametrically opposed to GOP values. Election losses will continue to pile up and GOP election cheating will grow more desperate.

  176. Adam 2019-11-19 18:21

    Regarding Debbo’s link to ‘booby traps in the corn fields’ – nationwide, there is only one report of this happening. There is also ZERO evidence which suggests who may have done this or why… to this one single farmer.

    After reading the article, I assume the farmer is:
    a.) just an a-hole who pissed off the wrong neighbor while having a late night booze fest -or-
    b.) a Democrat experiencing discrimination within his community

    Ultimately, it’s an isolated incident – even though rurals can’t help but think an individual incident could be a conspiracy against so very many American farmers.

    This whole thing reminds me Herman Cain, running for President, starting a sentence off with, “now, I don’t have any facts to back this up, but…”

  177. Porter Lansing 2019-11-19 18:22

    John … Volker changed his testimony BIG-LY, today.

  178. mike from iowa 2019-11-19 18:22

    Washington — The former special envoy to Ukraine told lawmakers he was unaware that efforts to pressure the Ukrainian government to opening anti-corruption investigations were targeting former Vice President Joe Biden and his son Hunter, but said he would have raised objections if he knew then what he knows now.

    Johnny F, do try to keep up with current events.

    From CBS News.

  179. John Dale 2019-11-19 19:00

    Debbo – “People really don’t like the GOP”

    Statements like this confuse me.

    Can you cite some kind of source on this?

  180. John Dale 2019-11-19 19:02

    “it’s an isolated incident”

    Bravo, Adam.

  181. John Dale 2019-11-19 19:03

    Porter Lansing – “Volker changed his testimony BIG-LY, today”

    He changed it from the Soviet-style, bunker interrogations/interviews/auditions that occurred earlier this Fall?

  182. John Dale 2019-11-19 19:03

    Hunter and Joe Biden are as crooked as a dog’s hind leg.

  183. Robin Friday 2019-11-19 20:12

    Now China says they will cease buying ALL ag products from USA. (KELO)

  184. Debbo 2019-11-19 20:18

    “Chapter 12 farm bankruptcies continue to increase as farmers and ranchers struggle with a prolonged downturn in the farm economy that’s been made worse by unfair retaliatory tariffs on U.S. agriculture as well as two consecutive years of adverse planting, growing and harvesting conditions,” the [Farm Bureau] report says.

    “The Midwest region, made up of 13 states including Minnesota, North Dakota and South Dakota, had 255 bankruptcy filings, far more than any other region.”

    The Bismarck Tribune

  185. Debbo 2019-11-19 20:18

    “Statements like this confuse me.”

    I’m not surprised.

  186. jerry 2019-11-19 21:38

    Now South Korea is telling us to go and have sex with ourselves after Chubby tries to extort them. Wonder how EB5 Rounds feels about this latest flub. We keep losing friends, but gaining despots. As Robin says “winning” or as China says “really winning”.

    “The defense ministers of South Korea and China have agreed to develop their security ties to ensure stability in north-east Asia, the latest indication that Washington’s long-standing alliances in the region are fraying.”

    Even Canada’s farmers are suffering from the actions of Chubby with the arrest of the Huawei chief operating officer. Indeed, the Canadian farmers have much in common with their American counterparts in that the suicide rates in farm country keep going up.

  187. John Dale 2019-11-19 21:42

    “Trade talks stalling”

    It’s an election year. There will be no end to the psyops, hustles, and negotiation scams.

    When Trump is reelected, will he go skull shark on the people and countries that have been ripping us off?

  188. John Dale 2019-11-19 21:43

    “Now China says they will cease buying ALL ag products from USA”

    They never planned to do this .. local food/ag was, is, and always will be very important for this reason.

    China is not our sugar daddy, and we have the power to be self sufficient. We have the technology, but do we have the will?

  189. John Dale 2019-11-19 21:44

    “far more than any other region”

    The production of negative news will accelerate because it’s an election year, not because things are far better or far worse than they were.

    Oaks grow slowly ..

  190. John Dale 2019-11-19 21:45

    “I’m not surprised” — Cheap shot. Address the source of confusion – your writing – not the symptom.

  191. John Dale 2019-11-19 21:47

    You’ll not stir up the folks because China doesn’t want to buy our stuff.

    News flash – they really haven’t been buying our stuff for a very long time.

    They steal our stuff.

    They don’t buy it.

    Can’t China just piss right off?

  192. John Dale 2019-11-19 21:51

    “arrest of the Huawei chief operating officer”

    I believe she was the CFO, wasn’t she?

    If you hit the mob, the mob will hit back.

    The Chinese mafia will come for the vocal ones first. Then they’ll come for the weak and cowardly. Then they’ll come for the resources of the hills, and they’ll raze it to the GROUND.

  193. John Dale 2019-11-20 13:11

    For anyone following the impeachment thing:

    Biden just got named on an Ukrainian indictment.

    An indictment drawn up by Ukraine’s Office of the Prosecutor General against Burisma owner Nikolai Zlochevsky claims that Hunter Biden and his partners received $16.5 million for their ‘services’ – according to Ukrainian MP Alexander Dubinsky of the ruling Servant of the People Party.

    Dubinsky made the claim in a Wednesday press conference, citing materials from an investigation into Zlochevsky and Burisma.

    “Zlochevsky was charged with this new accusation by the Office of the Prosecutor General but the press ignored it,” said the MP. “It was issued on November 14.”

  194. Porter Lansing 2019-11-20 14:47

    So, what?

  195. mike from iowa 2019-11-20 14:56

    Of course the story is false.It is carried only by right wing conspiracy sites like guess who at Infowars.

  196. John Dale 2019-11-20 15:29

    Porter Lansing – “so what?”

    So, the fact that Trump named the Bidens was not indicative of the fact that he was taking-out a political opponent in due, primary course. Rather, it was an indication that he and his team had already solved the case.

    More to come on this and Schiff’s participation in some very sordid sexual manslaughter?


  197. John Dale 2019-11-20 15:31

    mike from iowa – “Of course the story is false”

    This type of analysis makes you look soooooooooooooo silly.

    Big silly.

  198. John Dale 2019-11-20 15:39

    “Will you please give a source for your assertion that Joe Biden was indicted in Ukraine”

    I assume you found it.

    Also, regarding Schiff .. the IG report is due out any moment (could be as late as December 11th). That’s all I can say about that for now.

  199. Roger Cornelius 2019-11-20 15:43

    I haven’t seen any news reports by any news source that Biden was indicted. FOX hasn’t reported anything

  200. John Dale 2019-11-20 15:54

    “I haven’t seen any news reports by any news source that Biden was indicted”

    He was mentioned in the Ukrainian indictment.

    He will be investigated.

    In testimony today in Shiff’s shady show, details reemerged regarding millions of dollars being funneled through Burisma to US based accounts tied to Hunter Biden.

  201. Porter Lansing 2019-11-20 15:55

    I can’t find a credible or non-credible source for an indictment of Hunter Biden. There are still many for Dick Cheney, though but I’m not a what-aboutist.

  202. Porter Lansing 2019-11-20 16:09

    Trade War Update … China refuses to buy South Dakota grown meth. *more at ten …

  203. John Dale 2019-11-20 16:14

    Porter Lansing – da da, CHING!

    Good one!

    Keep spreading the word.

    You were definitely on it with that post. :D

  204. Roger Cornelius 2019-11-20 16:16

    Still no reports about Hunter Biden being indicted.

  205. Debbo 2019-11-22 15:02

    Just what farmers need. 😠
    And every bit of this trade war and farm price collapse is the responsibility of Economic Oaf.

  206. Porter Lansing 2019-11-23 11:54

    More Tradewar In SD … FCC yesterday proposed rules requiring telecom companies remove Huawei, ZTE equipment. The Federal Communications Commission said it will move ahead with proposals to ban telecommunications giants from using Huawei and ZTE networking equipment, which the agency says poses a “national security threat.” Most Huawei/ZTE equipment in USA is in rural areas.
    James Valley Telecommunications (JVT) counts nearly 10,000 customers in SD and said that all of it’s wireless core and wireless radios were manufactured by Huawei.

  207. Debbo 2019-11-23 14:19

    Porter, do they think it’s “bugged” in some way? That’s going to be a huge expense for JVT. An close friend since college has a son working for JVT. I’ll try to find out what they’re saying about it.

  208. Debbo 2019-11-23 14:44

    There are bills in the House and Senate to ban drones and drones containing components from China’s DJI business.

    “Under Chinese espionage and national security laws, companies like DJI are required to turn over data to the Chinese government,” Sen. Rick Scott (R–Fla.)

    Some see it as an Economic Oaf petty plan to get back at China. Details at Axios Future, Kaveh Waddell

  209. Debbo 2019-11-23 14:49

    More on drones, same source:

    “DJI’s U.S. market share is estimated between 70% and 80%.

    “They make the best stuff,” says 3DR’s Anderson. “They’re innovating the fastest, their prices are competitive — they’re the giant.”

    In its July report, the Department of the Interior said it could not find a domestically produced drone that was competitive with DJI’s offerings and prices.

    “Public safety agencies make up the lion’s share of drone users, and a recent survey from DroneResponders, a nonprofit, found that 77% of respondents were flying DJI.

    “The Defense Department kicked off a ‘Trusted Capital Marketplace’ program this month, aiming in part to subsidize domestic drone production.
    And the bills are meant “not only to secure federal, state, and local operations from threats emanating from DJI products, but to encourage a robust American drone manufacturing sector to take its place,” said Rep. Mike Gallagher (R–Wis.), who sponsored the House version, in a statement to Axios.”

    So Economic Oaf wants to ban these drones, even though it may not be necessary, and the GOP is turning to more socialism to replace them.

  210. Porter Lansing 2019-11-23 14:51

    Debbo … I don’t think Huawei is bugged any further than the Microsoft and Google we send to China is. But, if Huawei is bugged I’m confident USA scientists can discover that, flip it over, and spy on China with their own artificial intelligence. We’re tops in innovation because America is a country of immigrants. (i.e. A compendium of DNA that’s greater than the sum of its parts.) Synergy that exists in no other country. Too bad SD doesn’t nurture it and is among the bottom five states in innovation skills.
    You’re right. If Trump gets his way it might just bankrupt JVT.

  211. John Dale 2019-11-24 08:03

    Porter Lansing – “I’m confident USA scientists can discover that, flip it over, and spy on China with their own artificial intelligence”

    This is “THE” intel pivot.

    It presumes the premise that we should have bugged equipment.

    Intel hobbled US manufacturers except Apple. Then, Jobs mysteriously and quickly dies of cancer. Then, Apple devices weren’t secure again.

    Broken by design is why we’re in this mess.

    The constitution’s 1st, 4th, and 5th Amendments is how we get out of this mess.

    Intel is incompetent, and the only way they’ll turn it over to someone who is competent is when they are assured of failure.

    Our leadership is a J-O-K-E.

    *hums Marine hymn to self*

  212. John Dale 2019-11-24 08:08

    Debbo – “could not find a domestically produced drone that was competitive with DJI’s offerings and prices”

    Did the steal the IP from American manufacturers?

    If I was a betting man I would say yes.

    We also don’t make good McDonald’s toys anymore .. this, to, was GIFTED to China.

    While we are denigrating the “white man” as the source of all the world’s problems, China is putting down Hong Kong protesters in the streets.

    *slow clap*

    At this point, I have to defer to The Air Force, and hope that their military grade technology hasn’t been stolen by China. If so, let’s hope they have the next 30 years planned-out.

    Is having drones everywhere, assuming you’re guilty, watching your every move, using valuable electricity really a world you want to live in?

    Wait, never mind. I forgot who I was talking to.

  213. John Dale 2019-11-24 08:09

    “There are bills in the House and Senate to ban drones and drones containing components from China’s DJI business”


    Bad for the Chinese.

  214. John Dale 2019-11-24 08:09

    If we can get Chinese software and hardware out of our components, we can keep them from stealing our IP. If we can keep them from stealing our IP, they’ll quickly become a third world country again.

  215. John Dale 2019-11-24 08:15

    “do they think it’s “bugged” in some way”

    It is absolutely compromised. No device today gets manufactured without being able to be commandeered. No device is un-exploitable. That’s the problem .. they aren’t made in keeping with the spirit of the 1st, 4th, and 5th Amendments.

    You know .. like an envelope?

  216. John Dale 2019-11-24 08:27

    Porter Lansing – “Most Huawei/ZTE equipment in USA is in rural areas”

    I recommended some equipment for a very large government client this year. We installed better equipment based on my recommendation to stay away from Chinese tech.

    This really validates my recommendation.

    Thanks for the reference.

    Anyone else wanting my help implementing the most secure solutions should reach out.

    I will continue to recommend, build, and implement solutions in keeping with the 1st, 4th, and 5th Amendments.

  217. Cory Allen Heidelberger Post author | 2019-11-24 10:16

    Reinforcing Debbo’s note above, farm bankruptcies are up this year 24%. Says one bankrupt Montana farmer, “To me, it looks like we’re going to be lucky to get back to where we were pre-tariff…. So is that going to make up the ground that we’ve lost?”

    That same BBC article says that 40% of farm profits this year will come from government handouts, the majority of which are going to “the biggest, richest farms—including some foreign-owned firms….”

    Meanwhile, we still have no trade deal with China, and Trump is in such a weak negotiating position that he might veto a bill that would sanction China if it crushes democracy protests in Hong Kong.

    Tell me again why we are making excuses for this obvious failure?

  218. jerry 2019-11-25 22:16

    Whistle blower’s rule baby, 515,000 pounds of un-inspected pork is recalled. They might be in your freezer or you may have already consumed them. If ya got sick, that is a lick on you man…to bad, so sad. Living in a Russian/republican world is a crap shoot that is mostly snake eyes.

    “Morris Meat Packing recalled the pork after an anonymous tip revealed they were not inspected. Approximately 515,000 pounds of raw pork products are being recalled because they were not inspected properly.

    An anonymous tip revealed that Morris Meat Packing was producing products without the benefit of federal inspection and outside inspection hours, according to a press release from the U.S. Department of Agriculture’s Food Safety and Inspection Service. The products were produced on Saturdays from November 25, 2017 to November 9, 2019 and were shipped to various locations throughout Illinois, according to the FSIS. The affected products’ packaging bears the establishment number “EST. 18267” inside the USDA mark of inspection.”

    Joke’s on us, the USDA didn’t bother to inspect. Russia wins again by convincing us that government doesn’t work. Next stop is to privatize Social Security, that’ll show us.

  219. Debbo 2019-11-25 23:54

    When I worked in a pork plant in the mid 80s an FDA inspector was there full shift every day. Then the GOP started hacking away at the budget till there aren’t enough inspectors to cover everything.

    The GOP plan to drown the government is killing us.

  220. John Dale 2019-11-26 08:35

    Debbo – “The GOP plan to drown the government is killing us”

    Propaganda 101 .. rather than saying “killing us” you should say “killing the children”.

    Also, the sun is killing us. As is old age.

    The solution to this problem created by statists is to re-establish the family farm, restore the free market for food, and create higher quality local organic food.

    Globalists hate that.

    But if we invest in the family farm again and tell these bureaucratic family farm haters (inspectors) to go to hell, we’ll save more lives and eat better food.

  221. John Dale 2019-11-26 08:37

    jerry – “Russia wins again by convincing us that government doesn’t work”

    I laughed out loud.

    I was at the supermarket the other day and smelled an SBD left by an elderly gentleman wearing a hammer and sickle pin on his coat.

    “Russia”, I thought to myself as I hummed the Star Spangled Banner to exercise the odor.

    This idea is ridiculous, man.

  222. John Dale 2019-11-26 22:20

    “Reinforcing Debbo’s note above, farm bankruptcies”

    It’s going to get worse.

    Then, unless the programs are sabotaged from within, it’ll get way, way better.

    Hang in there, farmers. Thank you!

  223. Adam 2019-11-27 00:16

    John Dale is brought to you by the Mental Illness Association of America – showing you what it looks like, so that when you see it you will know what to call it.

    Most people like Johnny don’t just need medication, they need legitimate treatment.

  224. John Dale 2019-11-27 05:57

    Adam – “John Dale is brought to you by the Mental Illness Association of America”

    When you use my name, an Ostrich cries.

    I thought you were ignoring me?

    Personal attacks and assignment of mental illness without consultation with a professional .. the new competence?

    *slow claps*

    Now, stop reading my stuff. The juicy information might fill up your head and you’ll need a new bigger skull.

  225. mike from iowa 2019-12-05 08:26

    Bad economic news from the Hill today…..

    In its recent World Economic Outlook Report, the IMF took stock of the damage to the global economy wrought by the trade war. It noted that primary as a result of that war, the world economy has moved from a situation in 2018 in which 75 percent of the world’s economies were experiencing economic upswings to one today in which 90 percent of the world’s economies are experiencing economic slowdowns.

    from this link

    Thank drumpf and his easily winnable trade wars for the mess. drumpf is on record saying he might not make any deal until after the election.

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