The United States House of Representatives voted 354 to 60 yesterday to condemn the Executive Branch’s abandonment of our Kurdish allies in Syria. Every Democrat present and more than two thirds of the Republicans agreed that Donald Trump’s abrupt and senseless withdrawal of U.S. troops from northeast Syria benefits our adversaries and facilitates a resurgence of ISIS terrorists.
Our lone Representative, Dusty Johnson, voted aye:
We can only hope his hope will turn to actual action. Yesterday’s vote on House Joint Resolution 77 gives bipartisan affirmation to the idea that Donald Trump’s foreign policy is a blind and impulsive disaster for American security and influence, but it takes no action to rein in a Commander-in-Chief whose written and feckless cajolements and threats to the Turkish President are so bizzare that journalists felt the need to confirm it had actually come from the White House and not pranksters.
H.J.Res. 77 “calls on the United States to continue supporting Syrian Kurdish communities through humanitarian support, including to those displaced or otherwise affected by ongoing violence in Syria; calls on the United States to work to ensure that the Turkish military acts with restraint and respects existing agreements relating to Syria; and (5) calls on the White House to present a clear and specific plan for the enduring defeat of ISIS.” Representative Dusty Johnson and his colleagues should recall that we were doing all of those things before Trump threw them away. They should recall that, as Congress, they are the United States, and can restore all of those things with swift and robust action. They can sanction Turkey. They can appropriate money for humanitarian support. They can restore our commitment to protecting and admitting refugees. They can reclaim their war powers and directly challenge the President’s troop deployment errors.
Or, more swiftly and cheaply, they can impeach and remove Trump from office and replace him with a rational person who will act in the best interest of the United States and its allies.
I’m sure the trumpublicans will be upset with lil dusty.
Still no words from tweedledum and tweedledummer ………..
Again, the House shows that it can chew gum and walk: even while in the process of impeachment, important work of the nation (and world) can be accomplished.
We must reject the GOP false narrative that impeachment can be the ONLY discussion on the table. Furthermore, if the GOP wants to make an issue of “doing work” then let us focus our attention on the Senate and “the Grim Reaper” who ensures the work of the House never sees the light of day.
The three OAWM’s (older angry white males) to Trump’s right are thinking … (insert comedy here)?
What I’m understanding from the Pence press conference on the “ceasefire” is that the Trump administration caved to Erdogan’s desire to move the Kurds and seem poised to concede even more once Erdogan finishes the job of moving the Kurds from the border region. Essentially, while not supporting Turkey’s military incursion, the Trump Administration is perfectly happy to endorse the result of that incursion and allow it to stand. Essentially, the US now supports a sort forced migration of an ethnic minority. Sounds about right for this sick administration.
There’s also a resolution out there to condemn Adam Schiff for his criticism of the president. (Guess where that comess from.) Maybe they’ve voted on it already, I can’t keep up. But I hope Dusty shows some spine from the other side to vote against this little showpiece. Then we’ll know about spine. Stay tuned.
Elijah Cummings’ death is a blow in every possible way to the Democrat House and to all Americans who care about civil rights, and a blow to Democrat leadership and a blow personally to Nancy Pelosi. Condolences to America.
Robin, exactly right about the loss of Rep. Cummings, a great American hero. 😥😥
Now to a great American jacka$$: “I view the situation on the Turkish border with Syria to be, for the United States, strategically brilliant,” Trump told reporters in the Oval Office.
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Of course he does. In that diseased mind of his, anything he does is brilliant. I’d settle for just one brilliant thing, once in these 2+ years. Just once.
Thank you debbo. Only 68. Speaking purely selfishly, we needed Cummings in the House and in committee leadership for another 20 years. But, as my mother used to tell me, we don’t always get what we want. :-(
So Prissy Pussy Pency has made a deal with Erdogan for a temporary cease fire. This is a deal?
The Kurds have 28 days to abandon the area or Erdogan will reup the attacks. Seriously? O. M. G.
That’s from NPR. is.gd/63PI9y
From the NYT article:
“This seems to be a lot of smoke and mirrors,” said Aaron Stein, author of Turkey’s New Foreign Policy, and director of the Middle East program at the Foreign Policy Research Institute. “It’s all based on the fictional notion that the U.S. has a say in a place where we withdrew our soldiers.”
“The U.S. is irrelevant here, the U.S. has left,” Mr. Stein added.
And – most of the main actors in northern Syria — the Kurdish leadership and the Russian and Syrian governments — were not at the negotiating table.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/17/world/middleeast/trump-turkey-invasion-syria.html?action=click&module=Top+Stories&pgtype=Homepage&fbclid=IwAR3Jsu6InwFRDUoxwA8z3Lm0V-LVgzyS7GZEdnJfGZ3trrCwEaH0g94Gx_4
Published in the Mitchell Daily Republic
Who should be impeached?
As an Independent candidate for Congress (2018), please consider this also as an Open Letter to South Dakota’s federal delegation, all of whom are Republicans: Shame on you! Why haven’t you stood up to defend your country and your President (and Party leader), Donald Trump? For one month shy of three years, Trump personally has suffered a flood of still-continuing scurrilous attacks for the good things he has done, and for fabulously untrue things he has not.
Item: On June 30, 2017, he signed an Executive Order reviving the National Space Council. On Dec. 11, 2017, he signed Space Directive 1, directing NASA to gear up for a crewed lunar colonization program, followed by a mission to Mars and beyond. And on March 26 of this year, the timetable was pushed up to put the next man and the first woman on the Moon by 2024. NASA Administrator Bridenstine has termed the program “Artemis.”
What has Congress done? Cut out the future for our children and grandchildren by authorizing only half the funds required to carry out the mission. For that crime, Congress should be impeached.
Item: The entire nation is reeling from a drug epidemic that is killing more of our youth every year than died in the entire Vietnam War. For that crime, Congress should be impeached.
Item: In a phone call, President Trump asked Volodymyr Zelensky, the newly-elected President Ukraine, to help uncover the criminals who backed the pro-Nazi coup in 2014 via political support, $5 billion of aid, and blackmail. It turns out that the criminals in this case, were Democrats–Obama, Nuland, Biden, and others–caught “brown-handed” putting “leaders” into power in Ukraine who celebrate Hitler’s birthday every year, who have imposed a brutal austerity on the Ukrainian people, and who have attempted to get the U.S. to war with Russia.
The hypocritical House responded by launching a treasonous impeachment inquiry against President Trump, for his “crime” of asking for help to get at the truth. For the crime of promoting Nazism and for covering it up, Congress, not the President, should be impeached.
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Mr. Wieczorek, you are nearly a legend, and I am rightfully pleased to read your blogging here. It is old fellows like you and I who can lead the Libertarians back from whence they went astray.
Hopefully, the space program will be approved and convey Mr. Wieczorek to that alternate universe he seems to inhabit ( or is, at least, in communication with).
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For all of the money we are spending, NASA should NOT be talking about going to the Moon – We did that 50 years ago. They should be focused on the much bigger things we are doing, including Mars (of which the Moon is a part), Defense and Science!
10:38 AM – 7 Jun 2019
Drumpf doesn’t even support Artemis. Impeach him. Pence moved the mission from 2028 to 2024 at what would have been theoretically the end f drumpf’s second term if he isn’t impeached or otherwise removed from office for crimes too numerous to mention, of which a certain red colored political party cannot recognize as crimes because they do not feature sex or a Clinton.
Diplomatic Dunce hurts his arm patting himself on the back for saving civilization. Seriously. The entire Earthly civilization. Next? The Universe!!
I cannot make this stuff up. Not even Pootie’s boys can make this stuff up. Only a seriously disordered, disturbed mind can. Diplomatic Dunce tweeted:
“This is a great day for civilization. People have been trying to make this ‘deal’ for many years. Millions of lives will be saved.”
https://juanitajean.com/hanky-panky/#comments
Yeah, he’s tweeting about the gift Prissy Pussy Pency let Erdogan, Pootie and Syria have– the Kurd’s homeland and untold number of lives. I’ll bet they don’t feel very saved.
Well the really sad thing is that the troops aren’t coming home but only being moved to reinforce more idiocy in the middle east. Look’s like Israel will have to wait to regain all of king Davids land. They have already taken the Golan Heights for Genie Energy. Rothschild, Murdock, Summers and Cheney are satisfied for now.
United Nations states Israel has no claim what so ever over Golan Heights which belongs by law to Syria.
Israel ignored this resolution, just as they ignore everyone against them. It only took 14 resolutions alleged violations to get the U&S and the coalition of the unwilling to invade Iraq. When do we attack Israel?
At the very least, Mike, we needn’t keep sending them wealth and arms.
You are correct, Clyde. That is the very least we should be doing. Israel is not our friend.
Ron Wieczorek What was congress doing? Not much, but remember between 2011 and 2019 wingnuts had control of congress, the branch that controls the nation’s purse strings. While they were busy cutting taxes for the wealthy they cut an inordinate amount of money spent on people wingnuts derive as poor Democratic voters.
Look inward for the truths you seek.
Mike and Clyde, I would say Israel is our friend, but Netanyahu definitely is not.
NetNut is as crooked as Bent Bozo in the WH. NetNut is the Israeli version of Bent Bozo and Boris Johnson. Most Israelis are opposed to him, as is apparent by his loss of a majority in the last election. I’m not sure if he managed to assemble a majority coalition to rule or if they’re still in the process.
Israel needs a new government as badly as we do and the majority of Israelis know it. If Israel had a 2 party system NetNut would be gone already.
I think it’s very important, the mainstream media, both in the United States and in Europe are absolutely not reporting what Trump is doing. But they are bringing a completely distorted picture about what he has announced in terms of the Syria pullout, which can only be characterized as a conscious campaign to deceive the population. I mean, this is not media, this is PR firms run by intelligence agencies to change the axioms of the population: That’s what it is. Because there is no bigger discrepancy between what Trump is doing, together with Putin, which is really absolutely crucial for world peace, and what the picture is you get from these media.
So, in these rallies and also in the press conference with the Italian President Sergio Mattarella, who visited in the United States, Trump repeated the same story that he had said in his press conference, namely that it’s time to pull the U.S. soldiers out of these endless wars, that the United States has no intention to continue to police the world in 90 countries around the globe, and that that should be ended.
Now, people should be happy about that! Because all of this was very clearly done, in coordination with Russia. And if you want to end the misery in the Middle East countries, terrorism, endless wars, it is very, very clear that only if the United States and Russia, and China are working together, that you can solve this problem.
So, to repeat again, all this media that the ceasefire that Pence negotiated with Erdogan is not working, that’s just not true. The reality is, the Kurds in the northeast have practically agreed to subordinate to the Syrian government; they will give up their heavy weapons; Turkey will basically agree to this also, and not any longer insist on regime change against the Assad government. So, it’s obvious that if you make a ceasefire in such a region, not everybody, not every Kurd will immediately agree, so you will have little interruptions and skirmishes, but by and large this is working, and Erdogan, after meeting with Pence and Pompeo is now scheduled to go to Sochi on Oct. 22, where, according to Lavrov, the political solution to this region, to the situation in Syria, including the Constitutional Council which will meet in Geneva, that will be discussed with Erdogan. So all the signs are really absolutely there that this will function.
And, you know, people have such a short memory: I mean, the whole trouble really started with Obama, and people forget that. After Putin, in 2015, militarily intervened in Syria, and really took back the role of Russia as a key player on the world stage, which Obama had basically denied by saying Russia is only a “regional” force and regional player — actually Putin, at that time had asked the United States to cooperate in calming down the situation in Syria, which Obama had explicitly refused, and instead he had the CIA arming the jihadists in the northeast of Syria, working with the same people who had been involved in 9/11, and so this is what the whole problem was. And now, basically, you had a cooperation with Trump and Putin to undo this, and also work with all the other countries in the region towards a settlement.
So, people should be happy about that! This is a world historical change, ending the interventionist wars, ending the human carrion, right to protect pretext to violate sovereignty, to go for regime change: This is really, very, very important news. And it just shows you, either how malicious the media are, or how brainwashed the people are, that they no longer can recognize a peace policy when it is happening in front of their eyes.
So obviously, the very big question now is the reconstruction, and I think the spokeswoman for the Russian Foreign Ministry, Maria Zakharova, did very well, when she blasted the EU, which had naturally put their criticism of Erdogan for making the incursion. So, Ms. Zakharova basically said, the Europeans have no role in this at all, they should help the children, or do fundraisers, but they should otherwise stop just giving press conferences because they have no role.
What is now needed is the reconstruction of Syria, to start with. Their estimates are that at least $200 billion will be needed, probably more. And the only way that can be done, is that the New Silk Road, the Belt and Road Initiative are being extended into Syria, and that there is already a division of labor between Russia, Iran, and also China. Other countries should help: The Europeans should stop complaining but they should actually give up their opposition to Assad, which clearly, this whole operation has not succeeded; they failed in toppling Assad, so they should now draw the lesson and help with the reconstruction, but stay out of political meddling.
* IOWA POLLS SHOWS VOTERS REJECT IMPEACHMENT as a priority in 2020 elections. A poll by Emerson Polling, reported by The Washington Examiner showed that only 7% of the general Iowa population considered impeachment the “most important” issue. The economy, healthcare and social issues—in that order—were identified as priorities. For Democrats, the impeachment issue didn’t even factor in. Healthcare, the economy and environment were the top three issues of concern, in that order. And, while 67% of Iowa Dems support impeaching the President, only 10% in the poll identified it as the most important issue in deciding their vote for President next year.
How much longer can this idiot avoid greater and greater tragedy on the world and national scene? Impeach him and prosecute his administration NOW! He is a killer.
Dusty take a moment and listen to Rachel Maddow explain precisely where we are with Trump and his staff he forces to act as idiotically as he does. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hqHQlta-WTI. Ron W. is a perfect example of a SDan with a fishhook in his lip. You swallowed whole the propaganda Rupert Murdoch, Fox, Rush Limbaugh ect have been chumming the waters with for years KOTA has been feeding low information voters and rednecks. I don’t remember your public service but do recall you as someone hopeless to reality. Did you pursue higher education?, not that that guarantees an ability to wade out of the Republican morass that thinks it is draining a swamp (of competency). Just listen to Republican “leader” Kevin McCarthy in today’s “mainstream news”. All Rush has contributed is replacing the word “Democratic” in the English language. Trump daily, ignorantly slaughters our native tongue. Meanwhile you guys are starting yet another war in a place you don’t understand. Our only hope for SD is that Dusty’s educated connection to X, Y and Millennial generations will moderate Thune and Rounds who speak your language of misinformation.
Thank you to Elijah’s grieving family for his profound life of service. True wisdom and kindness. And we will never forget his admonishment to a Trump department head from the committee chair: “Come on man!” Before that I sent this 8 minute link to each of my children with pride for the outstanding quality and kindness of his leadership. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=72gy-LZ4UN0
Emerson polling,… funny ron w. https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2016/11/07/emerson-college-polling-predicts-clinton-wins-by-landslide-n2242543
Phil Anschutz, a right winger from way way back, is the owner of the Washington Examiner.
Ron: “Trump personally has suffered a flood of still-continuing scurrilous attacks for the good things he has done, and for fabulously untrue things he has not.” But….
Cf: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qOSgHSC5AwI
with the extremely lame distraction Kevin McCarthy posits linked in my previous post, aired on your Fox disinformation channel. Or this one which is ludicrous.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=r4DEEK5U0FQ
This is so pathetic it’s funny. Guess who Moscow Mitch blames for abandoning our best allies against ISIS? C’mon, you know. Yup. President Obama!!! Ding, ding, ding! Obama did it!!
Moscow Mitch wrote a lying opinion piece, the only kind he knows, in Wapo. National Memo covered it, very briefly, because even that is more than it deserves.
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Turkey was not in Syria for regime change. The Kurds did not agree to the ceasefire or conditions afterwards. They were our friends, they are now firmly ensconced with both Syria and Russia troops to fight Turkish forces in the place where Kurds claim is their home.
Turkish warplanes have been busy bombing at least two kurdish cities while a cease fire is allegedly in place.
Drumpf’s decision to abandon Kurds apparently wasn’t made with American military officials. Most likely just Putin and Erdogan told Drumpf what they wanted and he sat and begged for their affection.
If Pence negotiated this world beating deal, why is Drumpf taking all the credit for it?
https://www.rawstory.com/2019/10/trump-brags-he-negotiated-ceasefire-in-syria-but-turkey-is-already-violating-it/
Q Tip Pence’s ceasefire did not last 24 hours, the ethnic cleansing continues thank to Chubby and his republican enablers like ron w and Goldfish Dale.
“Syrian militants backed by Turkey renewed an offensive against the key Syria border town of Ras al-Ayn on Friday, leaving five fatalities among Kurdish forces, according to the Kurdish Red Crescent – rendering a US-brokered “ceasefire” worthless.
US Vice President Mike Pence announced on Thursday that America’s former Kurdish allies would be allowed 120 hours to withdraw from a vast annexation zone sought by Turkey.
“White evangelical leaders were very quick to criticize the abandonment of the Kurds, who in their heroic struggle against IS helped protect Syria’s Christian population,” said Andrew Chesnut, professor of religious studies at Virginia Commonwealth University.”
Chubby and his crew may be the Anti-Christ, who knew? I did, I did says 3 million plus voters who knew what was coming.
As America marches to the Hague, we can see how dismissive Chubby is to ethnic cleansing.
““They’ve got a lot of sand over there, so there’s a lot of sand they can play with,” he said dismissively of the regional fighting forces.” Chubby trumpy direct quote.
All you fake Christians can go to the Amen corner tomorrow and act like you know nothing of how you are complacent in the ethnic cleansing of fellow Christians.
Three scenarios about the 50 nuke bombs in Turkey.
“(1) Turkey does nothing. From Erdogan’s point of view, there may be more negatives than positives in grabbing the US nuclear bombs at Incirlik. Those 50 bombs are there as part of a NATO cooperative program, and while Turkey has walked back from that agreement to some extent, any action by Turkey taken to sequester or seize the US bombs would virtually require NATO to demand their immediate return and could result in a suspension of Turkey from NATO.
It would also raise serious concerns in the EU and would harm Turkey’s trade and access to weapons and spare parts from NATO countries. While Turkey could eventually shift to other sources (Russia, China), that transition would take years and Turkey’s military will be substantially weakened in the interim. Since the bombs are not really usable because Turkey does not have the nuclear codes to activate them, and any tampering might set off a small non-nuclear explosion destroying the bomb or bombs, the only gain for Turkey might be political. But the price would be very high and Turkey would never be trusted again. Turkey has no credible argument to make against the bombs on its territory.
(2) Turkey could order the US to remove the bombs. The US would have to accept Turkey’s request and take them out. There would not be much fallout in NATO because US nukes have already been removed from Greece and the UK, at their request. While the US-Turkey relationship is greatly stressed over the Kurdish situation and other matters (including Fethullah Gülen, who is blamed for the 2016 coup attempt and is living in the United States), the political impact on removing the bombs would be minimal.
(3) Turkish army seizes the bombs. Perhaps the greatest worry about nuclear weapons in Turkey is that the Turkish army will move in and seize them. That might also include ejecting the US air force from Incirlik Air Base. The other NATO components at the airbase might be permitted to stay, but if the US was kicked out, the others would probably leave as well.
A seizure could be promoted under a number of different banners: the weapons are not safe enough, the US might use them without Turkish permission, the weapons are a regional threat or they might be otherwise grabbed by the Kurdish PKK (Kurdistan Worker’s Party). An action like a seizure, if it happened, would most definitely provoke an angry US response with unpredictable future consequences. There is also a risk that fighting could break out on the base between US and Turkish troops.”
Chubby trumpy and his gang, have put us in a remarkable situation that is not a good one.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/u-s-troops-leaving-syria-western-iraq-defense-secretary-esper-n1069086
Drumpf keeps promise to bring troops home from all these endless wars. Home for soldiers in Syria is now called western Iraq, the very place the Turk-Kurd fiasco started.
Thank you, Ron Wieczorek, for astutely pointing out drumpf’s accomplishments.
Donald Trump’s abandonment of important and loyal allies, his withdrawal from a military operation that was achieving a whole lot for minimal effort (maybe a thousand troops, keeping ISIS in check and Russia at bay, and the Kurds did most of the hard work for us!), and his destruction of American reputation globally are reasons for impeachment.
Chubby disgraced us to put oil money into the pockets of Putin and Asshat…er Assad. With Chubby, it’s all about the Benjamin’s
What’s weird is the Catholic connection to all of this abandonment of the Christian Kurd’s. When you listen to Barr speak about it all, it’s downright spooky his threat to democracy here as well.
Of course what Chubby did was against international norms and laws so much so that America could be judged in the Hague for crimes against humanity. What’s up with the Catholics?
“Prominent liberal Catholics have warned the US attorney general’s devout Catholic faith poses a threat to the separation of church and state, after William Barr delivered a fiery speech on religious freedom in which he warned that “militant secularists” were behind a “campaign to destroy the traditional moral order”.
The speech last Friday at the University of Notre Dame law school, in which Barr discussed his conservative faith and revealed how it affects his decision-making as the nation’s chief law-enforcement officer, has set off a fierce debate among Catholic intellectuals from across the political spectrum, as well as among Catholics inside the justice department.” https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/oct/19/william-barr-attorney-general-catholic-conservative-speech
jerry thx for the heads-up on Barr’s alt-right catholicism. “Anderson, the Fordham theologian, said he was so alarmed by the tone of Barr’s speech that he was now concerned the attorney general intends to use his authority to put the United States on the path of increasingly authoritarian European nations like Poland, where democratically government leaders have cited their devout Catholicism to justify a crackdown on free speech and the purging of judges.”
A Fordham theologian “said he was so alarmed by the tone of Barr’s speech that he was now concerned the attorney general intends to use his authority to put the United States on the path of increasingly authoritarian European nations like Poland, where democratically government leaders have cited their devout Catholicism to justify a crackdown on free speech and the purging of judges.” Barr serves Opus Dei and Federalist Society orgs conservative packing the courts.
Zealot. Jeff Session, zealot too.
Right wing Roman Catholics totally support criminalization of any type of sexual relationship outside of marriage (except for powerful white men), non heterosexual living, non Christian religions, an end to bodily autonomy for women and girls, minimal leadership and government roles for non heterosexual, non white, non males, suppression of Christian denominations that are not rigidly patriarchal conservative Christian, more laws protecting and mandating approved religious practices, and more. They would certainly be answerable to no one for their abuse of children and women.
It seems like if a practice violates the US Constitution, Roman Catholic conservative extremists are for it.
Opus Dei and their pals are not pro USA. They are pro their particular and ugly version of a pre-Vatican II, answerable to no one, Roman Catholic approved USA. They scare me and should scare all of us who are patriots.
The U.S. Senate is now a theater of endless-war warriors demanding more Middle East wars and punishment of President Donald Trump with the absurd claim of genocide against the Kurds. The House of Representatives now boasts impeachers of both parties who pretend to believe that Vladimir Putin (or Xi Jinping) controls Trump, and who are supporting a secretive group of CIA operatives to overthrow the President. Many of the major national media organizations have abandoned the thin surface veneer of reporting the news, and simply issue and spin public relations bulletins from the managers of the coup, who originated with senior figures of British intelligence.
If this is the situation, the American people are justified, if they are willing to act for themselves, in throwing out most of this Congress of fakers with their faked views and fake news. But something else underlies this crazy behavior.
These elected officials are hiding from themselves — and from you — the unmistakable reports that a new financial crisis is coming at us from Wall Street, already in its early stages, while the industrial economies of the United States and Europe are sinking. The new global financial report of the International Monetary Fund is full of very serious warnings of debt crisis and financial crash. The Federal Reserve has been pumping $50-$100 billion of liquidity loans into the Wall Street banks and funds every day since it discovered a liquidity crisis in the interbank loan market on Sept. 16. The central banks of the United States, Europe and Japan are coordinating their expanded bank-subsidy programs to try to print enough liquidity to keep stock and bond values from plunging.
But there is no mention of any of these erupting financial emergencies in the Congress and parliaments, nor reference to them in popular media. No hearings are held. Competent economists and bankers urge that these banks must be broken up on Glass-Steagall principles, and large-scale programs of public investment in high-technology economic infrastructure must be launched, and quickly. But these imperatives are not even discussed.
Why? All the American officials who have bought into this British intelligence coup, want Trump gone before “the economy” is discussed. They fear that in a crisis, in a financial crash, he may take charge of it by acting together with the other national leaders in space exploration, nuclear technology, infrastructure building — meaning China, Russia, India and others. Those are our potential partners in international development, but the war party insists they are our adversaries, our enemies.
The figure of Lyndon LaRouche and the current actions of his movement haunt this war party, because his policies are right there as solutions to this crisis. This is most true of his “Four-Power agreement” idea (United States, China, Russia, India) to construct the international framework for implementing Glass-Steagall principles, critical new infrastructure projects and capital goods investments, far-reaching space missions and advanced nuclear technologies.
A U.S. President who wants to solve this incoming crisis, as President Trump will, can simply grab what LaRouche has already proposed and begun, and follow his leads. That, the party of impeachment and war wants to rule out, by forcing Trump out. But the American people will need those LaRouche solutions, and they should act for themselves now.
Leslie or Debbo
What did this Ron W guy just say?
He said his tin foil hat has a leak.
Good one “tin foil hat has a leak” Perfect description
We have an unlimited supply of money that we, as a country, could do whatever we wanted to and fund completely, whatever needs to be funded. Seriously, we pulled 26 Billion from someplace to placate farmers and we simply write a check for whatever else is needed. No one should ever fall for the idea that defects matter or else the tax cut wouldn’t have been passed, or that we need to shut down social programs because they are too expensive, bull crap, we have an unlimited supply of money that will never ever end.
When I read statements like there is “a secretive group of CIA operatives to overthrow the President” it always makes me wonder how such a group could be so bad at keeping their secret that some commenter on a SD blog is able to disclose the secret to the whole world. Doesn’t seem to be very “secretive.”
Dusty Johnson doesn’t need to be on the take from any CIA cabal to recognize that Donald Trump has abandoned an important ally and damaged U.S. credibility and influence in foreign affairs. Donald Trump from 2018 would have recognized the same thing:
There is no coup, just more and more Americans demanding that the President of the United States act in the interest of the United States rather in his narrow self-interest.
The “secretive group of CIA agents” is like all the other conspiracy theories. When you write down the logic, it’s… well, here’s “Crowdstrike” in a nutshell: Hillary Clinton and the Democrats conspired with Ukrainian trolls to rig the election so that Clinton would lose, the deep state could go after Trump, and blame it all it all on Russia.
The more pretzel the logic, the more they believe it.
I agree with “bear” above, mostly. It is hard for a successful conspiracy to overthrow our government to gain any real traction. To do that would require a vast network, and you have to assume that no one would be a whistleblower. Not likely.
We’ve seen how fast Trump’s Ukraine corruption plot fell apart due to whistleblowing. Trump has the power of the Presidency and the narcissistic personality to try to overthrow our government, and even he couldn’t pull off his Ukraine gambit, a much smaller caper than a coup.
But there is a way to pull off a coup in the US. It would require something like what the Russians did in 2016, and continue to do. The Russians got their guy, who is highly compromised and manipulable, elected. Then they have to have a large group of citizens, not necessarily a majority, who buys most of what that Russian asset, now President, says. Then their guy has to gradually weaken the rule of law and Constitutional checks and balances. The Russian asset has to present “alternative facts” repeatedly on a compliant media outlet so that the gullible don’t start to question the asset. Then, in 2020, the Russians and other countries run the same gambit, corrupt the election to finally take over the government.
That’s a more likely scenario. At this point, none of this is a secret, but some people on the right can’t or won’t look the truth in that obese orange face.
What ever happened to the FDR-JFK democrats? Doesn’t seem to be many around any more.
The FDR-JFK Democrats never existed in the first place as separate from the rest of the voters. In fact, there were 3 million more of those Democrats who voted for Clinton over Chubby, but they could not beat the Russian vote.
(I think Ron is mistaking “Democrats” for “people who don’t question my conspiracy theories.”)
Interviewed by Fox TV’s Tucker Carlson on the evening of Oct. 16, Rep. Tulsi Gabbard addressed herself to American war veterans, after CNN and the New York Times—sponsors of the Democratic debates that week—had attacked the war veteran Gabbard as “a Russian asset” in the presidential race. Hillary Clinton added in her infamous attack the next day. Their attacks, Gabbard said, was really on all opponents of America’s “endless war” policy of recent decades, including many veterans who fought in those wars.
“When they’re issuing these smear attacks, really what they’re doing is smearing anyone who’s calling for an end to these regime change wars, including veterans whom I meet almost every single day all across this country, who are not pacifists, but who understand and know firsthand the cost of war, and who are strongly, strongly calling for our country to put an end to these counterproductive regime change wars….”
Gabbard, while campaigning in Iowa, returned to Tucker Carlson on Oct. 18, to counter Clinton’s comment that the Russians would run her as a third-party candidate: “They are saying that you are also a Russian asset — that you are also a traitor to this country,” Gabbard said. “The reason why she is doing this is because, ultimately she knows that she can’t control me — that I stand against everything that she represents and … if I’m the Democratic nominee and elected President, that she won’t be able to control me.” Speaking of the theater in which she fought, Gabbard said, “Thousands of my sisters and brothers in uniform were killed in Iraq, a war that she championed. Their blood is on her hands. I am calling for an end to these regime change wars.”
Gabbard named Clinton as being behind the earlier media attacks, telling Carlson: “As I said it in my tweet earlier, it’s become very clear now who is behind it and why, and it is Hillary Clinton and her proxies the warmongering foreign policy establishment who are conducting this coordinated smear campaign and now, we know exactly why. It’s because I’m standing up and speaking out strongly against the Hillary Clinton legacy….”
On Oct. 18, she had concluded her Twitter response to Clinton: “It’s now clear that this primary is between you and me. Don’t cowardly hide behind your proxies. Join the race directly.”
There have been unconfirmed press reports since the disappearance of Joe Biden’s front-running position in that Democratic presidential race, that Clinton is a possible Biden-replacement, along with green billionaire Michael Bloomberg. Bloomberg’s own perpetual war is against electricity generated by coal.
Gabbard griping about HRC on Tucker Carlson? Are you kidding me? Clinton isn’t running for office. How can she control anyone and what the devil is anyone in their right mind doing with trashman Carlson?
I didn’t hear Gabbard claim not to be a Russian asset. Like Drumpf and Moscow Mitch and about a half dozen wingnut senators that spent a fourth of July kissing Russia’s buttocks in Moscow circa 2016.
Thune was one of Pootie’s Boys who went with Moscow Mitch to visit their Dear Leader.
I think Hillary shouldn’t have said anything yet about the Russian stooge. Of course they’ll have another Jill Stein.
I’ve not felt good about Gabbard all along, which surprises me. I was prepared to like her and I am completely in support of her anti war position. But she seems to actively dislike all of the other candidates and not have much regard for voters either. She has plenty to be angry about, but that in itself is not sufficient for a healthy candidacy.
Those qualities might make her vulnerable to Pootie’s “charms”, but I think this is too early to point that out.
Hillary Clinton is not running for president, it is as simple as that.
This Tulsi Gabbard Russian asset talk is as equally ridiculous as Hillary running for president. Why would Trump need Tulsi when he’s got the grand pooba of Russian assets running our country.
Mr. Wieczorek, I dearly hope you will run for something again. I was one of those who heckled you from the crowd in the debates of the past, and I would enjoy that again very much.
Fickle Flatulence wants to pull a Pontius Pilate now.
“Richard Engel tweets –
“US officials tell me Trump wants to wash his hands of responsibility for the Kurds,” Engel wrote on Twitter. “The US mil/gov gave Kurds REPEATED assurances of protection. US even asked Kurds to REMOVE defenses BEFORE the Turkish offensive. Kurds complied and now being displaced. WH says not our problem.”
Fickle Flatulence cannot get the blood off his hands, ever, unless he can raise those slaughtered Kurds from the dead. Not likely. He can barely raise himself off the toilet.
Neither Clinton nor Gabbard will be President; energy expended debating their comments is largely wasted.
But Clinton would never—and I’m somewhat confident Gabbard would never—abandon our allies as crassly, as recklessly, and as injuriously to American interests as Donald J. Trump has done and will always be remembered for having done. Shame on Trump, and shame on America for allowing him to drag us into the mud.
Hillary could be a big help to the team as a security front person. A watchdog, doing social media posts (tweets) alerting Dems to Russian, Iranian, Chinese, Korean etc. influence campaigns and Trump lies and crimes. As seen, with the Gabbard story, when Hillary tweets, people listen. My goodness. Wouldn’t that freeze the frosting off Donnie DarkHeart’s plans to cheat, again?
Hillary is possibly our #1 expert in international security for the US. She’s known who the bad actors are and kept an eye on all the interactions for just about 30 years. That’s why Pootie was terrified of her becoming president. A smart president would put Hillary at her side as a special advisor.
What is this Looney Tunes or the center for conspiracy theories?
See. It attracted WickZork right now . He knows who to be afraid of …
What is this Looney Tunes or the center for conspiracy theories?
It is called the real world. Join up some day and leave your alternative facts/conspiracy theories behind.
Wingnut alternate reality…..President Donald Trump on Monday offered a confusing description of his foreign policy priorities as commander in chief — insisting that he is working to bring home American soldiers, while warning the U.S. may soon enter into new military conflicts.
“I’m trying to get out of wars. We may have to get in wars, too. OK? We may have to get in wars,” Trump told reporters at the White House.
Got that, Trumpians?
Jerry had a good response to Ron’s question: “What ever happened to the FDR-JFK democrats? Doesn’t seem to be many around any more.”
Jerry is right. My first vote for President was for Linda Jenness of the Socialist Workers Party. It was a protest vote. That doesn’t mean I’m a Linda Jenness Socialist for my entire life. When we look backward for leaders, we don’t do ourselves any favors. FDR died in 1945 and JFK was assassinated in 1963. They were pretty good leaders for their time. Each, as we now know, had flaws and ideas that probably would make them unelectable today. History moved on, and the voters of those eras, are either dead or have new challenges and concerns that need to be addressed.
We know Cadet Bone Spurs is not getting any soldiers out of war, just moving them to a different one. He’s got them protecting his blood thirsty, murderous pal MBS, in Saudi Arabia. You know those poor Saudis can’t afford to support their own army.
In actuality, this is probably Cadet Bone Spurs’ quid pro quo for MBS letting him put his hands on that glowing sphere and playing with the others, just like a big boy. MBS knows how to play our insane president like a Vegas dealer plays a double deck.
Might as well ask whatever happened to the Teddy Roosevelt-Dwight Eisenhower Republicans. Extinct species.
Wishful thinking? If we can dump Trump in the next election, Barr goes too. If not, Barr stays. And so does DeVos and the others who are destroying us and our nation and our planet.
Neither, Ron. That’s why I’m not biting on your conspiracy theories.
grudznick will bite, Mr. Wieczorek. Please tell us about how the presently existing global financial and monetary system will disintegrate in the near term, leaving chaos and outright unruly out-of-state name-calling rudeness here in South Dakota.
https://tulsi.to/HillarysDisaster
grudznick … What was the most hurtful name your father called you? Loser? Unable? Girlie Boy? It sure has stuck with you.
PS … Rapid City is more Colorado than it is South Dakota.
doo ron ron ron, now just posts blue links, no substance, just blue links.
Vietnam war veteran William Taylor, just overran Chubby. Astounding read, Dusty Johnson is correct, Chubby needs to be impeached and then jailed for criminal activity.
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/read-amb-taylors-opening-statement-on
Booyah! Off to the hoosegow for this crook and liar.
Russian President Vladimir Putin and Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan met in Sochi, Russia, today, and emerged with a joint memorandum on security along the Turkish-Syrian border just hours before the U.S.-Turkish agreement on a pause in Turkish military operations was scheduled to end. At a joint press conference, Putin said, “I cannot but express satisfaction with the fact that as a result of rather long and arduous work [we] managed to achieve agreements … that, I believe, are very important, if not momentous, and will help to resolve the complicated situation on the Syrian-Turkish border.”
Speaking separately, Putin also advocated that the Syrian government and Kurdish forces need to hold broad talks in order to take into account the interests of all the religious confessions that exist in the country, reported Sputnik. Putin noted that Russia shares Turkey’s concerns about separatist sentiments in Syria, which, as the Russian President said, have been stimulated from outside the country. Putin also stressed that the situation in northeast Syria should not block the launching of the Constitutional Committee, which is set to meet for the first time on Oct. 29-30 in Geneva.
The joint Putin-Erdogan statement, as published by the Turkish Daily Sabah, included the following points:
* The two sides reiterate their commitment to the preservation of the political unity and territorial integrity of Syria and the protection of Turkey’s national security.
* They emphasize their determination to combat terrorism in all its forms and manifestations and to disrupt separatist agendas on Syrian territory.
* Within this framework, the established status quo in the current Operation Peace Spring area, covering Tel Abyad and Ras Al-Ayn within a depth of 32 km, will be preserved.
* Both sides reaffirm the importance of the Adana Agreement. The Russian Federation will facilitate the implementation of the Adana Agreement in the current circumstances.
* Beginning at noon on Oct. 23, Russian military police and Syrian border guards will oversee the withdrawal of armed YPG elements on the border on either side of the Operation Peace Spring area. After 150 hours, when the withdrawal of the YPG to more than 30 km from the border should be completed, Russian-Turkish joint patrols of the border region will begin, with the exception of Qamishli. But I don’t know if a bully would understand what’s happening here.
Chubby, the traitor, aided and abetted the possibility of this meeting. Another proud moment in the Chubby appeasement to Putin.
Indeed, Syria is not a Turkish nor a Russian country, this agreement is like Israel taking over the Golan Heights, illegal.
“Syrian President Bashar al-Assad has slammed his Turkish counterpart Recep Tayyip Erdogan as a “thief” for attacking his country and reiterated a pledge to retake all areas lost by his government during the civil war, state media reported.”
I guess Chubby forgot to tell his bosses that it was Chubby who released the ISIS genie out of the bottle once again.
Sorry Russia was invited in by Syria and has a legal right to be there.
I am sure that Dan Berger doesn’t know as much as Gruznuts, but I will post this anyway. Dan Berger, the chief executive officer of the National Association of Federally-insured Credit Unions (NAFCU) made a call on Sept. 17 for reenactment of the Glass-Steagall Act. He warned that the big banks have to be broken up before they cause an economic collapse if one of them failed.
“One bank is bigger than an entire credit union industry out there — there are trillion dollar institutions, so you have large investment banks using consumer’s deposits to make risky investments,” Berger told the Hill.TV co-host Krystal Ball and Buck Sexton on the Sept. 17 broadcast of “Rising.”
“The recession could probably hit end of 2019 — maybe the first, second quarter of 2020, something for Congress to take a look at so American consumers are protected,” Berger said.
He called on Congress to bring back the Glass-Steagall Act, which separated commercial banking from investment banking. Oh, I forgot one of the geniuses thinks JFK and FDR’s policies are no longer pertinent. Another blow out like 2007 and 2008 will not effect the South Dakota economy and mankind is too dam dumb to learn anything from history. Good night gentle men.
EIRNS, Ron?
Lyndon LaRouche, buddy?
WOW!!
Well, I’m inviting the ire of this group….many who I have grown to respect on many other subjects but who I am going to have to disagree with on this one.
I’m thinking that us getting the H out of Syria is actually going to bring about peace there. I think it is the best new’s I’ve heard in quite a while. Of course Trump is blowing about how great HIS dealing was.
The Kurds will not be our friends in the future but then we are really good at making enemy’s out of friends and have been for quite a while. Remember when we were friends with Russia?
Look at what has been accomplished there. Millions of refugees to overload the ability’s of country’s that they have fled to to absorb them. How many dead are we now counting in Syria? Of our own and theirs. And what of the country’s cities and town’s.
Who has benefited? Well Raytheon has done well. Who stands to benefit now? Well China with their “Belts and Road’s” sure will. The “Belts and Roads” is just a way to take over the country’s that become the benefactor of them. Who has really lost in this whole mess is us, US! But, as I have already stated, we have become really good at making enemy’s and losing! I’m no fan of Trump but this mess didn’t start with him.
I think you are being way to hard on Ron W as well. He brings up some good points.
So now, American troops protect the oil wells only…in Syria, Booyah. The thousands of ISIS captured by the American and Kurdish forces have evaporated into the waiting arms of the Caliphate. Everyone is right, who needs to be in the Middle East in the first place. Let them squabble and kill one another. Build a wall around them, a big high one and a deep one. Next time soon, that ISIS starts to threaten the oil fields, maybe we should just let them take them over and charge us what they will.
Just as long as we ignore the oil there and stop sending lawyers, guns and money to each and every one of them…including Israel. Maybe we should embargo ourselves and stop using oil in the first place. Old guys saw how that worked in the 70’s, we survived. There are many places on this earth that don’t even have cars so they don’t need oil. What the hell, let’s race for the bottom, it ain’t crowded.
President Trump today addressed the nation from the White House on the victory in Syria, asserting that this was not a victory AGAINST any other nation, but a victory of all against terrorism, and against the colonial “regime-change” wars which the U.S. had been drawn into under Bush and Obama. Left unsaid, but critically important, is that the potential “loser” in the process are the dying British Empire and those in the U.S. who have played the patsy for British Imperial wars and geopolitical color revolutions.
This is precisely why the British assets in the U.S. are in a panicked flight-forward to impeach President Trump, despite the absence of any wrongdoing, or even the appearance of any crime. They are furious that Trump dared to challenge the British “permanent warfare” policy — the surrogate wars intended to keep the U.S. in a state of conflict with Russia and China. Trump made this clear in today’s statement: “As a candidate for President, I made clear that we needed a new approach to American foreign policy, one guided not by ideology, but by experience, history, and a realistic understanding of the world.” He stated the obvious — that the entire Mideast “is less safe, less stable, and less secure than before these conflicts began,” and that those demanding more war are the same people who created the mess in the Middle East in the first place with the wars on Iraq and Libya.
While the hysterics in the Congress and the media are screaming that Trump “sold out” to Russia, Trump clearly coordinated the move with Turkey and with Russia, in returning sovereignty to Syria, albeit with a few speed bumps yet to navigate.
The coup plotters against Trump are equally worried that when the rapidly expanding bubble in the financial system explodes, as it must, that Trump will turn to the economic ideas of Lyndon LaRouche: the urgent necessity to put the bankrupt western banking system through bankruptcy proceedings on the model of FDR’s Glass-Steagall bank separation; restoring Hamiltonian “directed credit” into industry, agriculture, health and education of the population; and pushing ahead on the frontiers of human knowledge, focused on space exploration and fusion energy development. Such an endeavor requires cooperation internationally, especially with Russia and China, which Trump has repeatedly insisted he will achieve during his presidency. That was the cause of the Russiagate hoax, and the reason for the mass McCarthyite hysteria aimed at all things China.
In fact, the issue which will determine if Trump’s efforts to resolve the Middle East quagmire can be sustained is that of the New Silk Road — how rapidly can the new international relationships being forged by President Trump bring China’s Belt and Road into the region, preferably with full cooperation between China, Russia, India, the US, and others. As Lyndon LaRouche said after the Oslo accords in 1993 gave hope for peace between Israel and Palestine: “Get the tractors rolling immediately.” Reconstruction and development are the preconditions for sustainable peace, and the remnants of the collapsing British Empire will do everything possible to stop that development, as they did in undermining the Oslo Accords.
A major step forward is also taking place in Africa, as 44 presidents and prime ministers from Africa are participating in the first Russia-Africa Summit in Sochi today and tomorrow. With more than than 60 nations represented, 3,000 participants attended the opening presentations by Vladimir Putin and Egyptian President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi, the current chairman of the African Union. Putin, who is committed to “lighting up Africa” with peaceful nuclear power agreements across the continent, also pledged a doubling of trade, doubling of Russian food exports, and other industrial and military cooperation.
This is the “New Paradigm,” rapidly coming into being around the world, against the wishes of the anti-growth “greenies” funded by the City of London and Wall Street, against the warmongers, against the geopoliticians of all stripes. The dangers are great, but the potential for a world, and a universe, fit for the dignity of mankind, has never been greater, if people of good will choose to act.
So Ron, regarding Syria, you have no problem with our allies, the Kurds, being deserted after the USA promised to stick by them and protect them from Turkish or Russian assaults?
Is it all right with you that the soldiers being withdrawn from Syria are transferred to Saudi Arabia to protect their oil infrastructure? They are still on a war footing, still in the Middle East in a dangerous place.
Several of the president’s top people and the president himself have admitted that he tried to get a foreign government, Ukraine, to say they were investigating Biden’s son, even if they really weren’t. The US Constitution forbids that. The president swore on a bible to uphold the Constitution in his oath of office. Is it okay with you that he violated his oath and our Constitution?
Do you feel it would be a good thing if the nations of Africa looked to Putin for guidance and direction, even though he operates a dictatorship and murders some opponents?
How do you define a “geopolitician”?
What place do you see for the USA in the world by, say 2030?
I think that saving the oil we have might be a good start to a decent future. As things now stand we have the choice of a big or small SUV or a giant pickup for vehicles and that is about it. We have no mass transit like we once had and we are happily pumping out the most green house gasses of any country in the world. A few years ago it was illegal to export our oil. now we are dumping it as fast as we can. Furthermore I rather doubt that we consumed much Syrian oil.
Of course we do have a problem with our “petro dollar”. The Ponzi scheme of our money system kinda demands that us and the world continually consume more and more oil. Don’t know what can be done about that but a day of reckoning was coming anyway. Our free traders have pretty much given away our number one economy in the world status to China already so we need to admit that and move on. Perhaps it is time we worried about what is going on in this country rather than the country’s in the middle east.
Clyde and ron, 74,000 US troops remain in the Middle East as of today 10/24/2019. Can either of you tell me how this is winding down when there are actual troop increases?
“Trump’s latest promises to “bring the troops home” were immediately exposed as empty rhetoric by a Pentagon press release on October 11, announcing that the Trump administration has actually increased its deployments of troops to the greater Middle East by 14,000 since May. There were already 60,000 troops stationed or deployed in the region, which the Congressional Research Service described in September as a long-term “baseline,” so the new deployments appear to have raised the total number of U.S. troops in the region to about 74,000.”
Guess who is paying the subsidized bill to keep the oil flowing for this “long-term baseline? Hint..it’s you boys.
President Trump yesterday issued a powerful report from the White House on the victory in Syria, while stating that he will do everything he can to end the era of wars based on “ideology,” but from a “realistic understanding of the world.” He explicitly acknowledged the Syrian government’s role, with Turkey, in maintaining the peace and preventing a return of ISIS. Extensive excerpts follow:
” My fellow Americans, I greet you this morning from the White House to announce a major breakthrough toward achieving a better future for Syria and for the Middle East. It’s been a long time.
“Over the last five days, you have seen that a ceasefire that we established along Syria’s border has held, and it’s held very well, beyond most expectations. Early this morning, the government of Turkey informed my administration that they would be stopping combat and their offensive in Syria, and making the ceasefire permanent. And it will indeed be permanent. However you would also define the word”permanent” in that part of the world as somewhat questionable, we all understand that. But I do believe it will be permanent.
“I have therefore instructed the Secretary of the Treasury to lift all sanctions imposed on October 14th in response to Turkey’s original offensive moves against the Kurds in Syria’s northeast border region. So the sanctions will be lifted unless something happens that we’re not happy with.
“This was an outcome created by us, the United States, and nobody else, no other nation. Very simple. And we’re willing to take blame, and we’re also willing to take credit. This is something they’ve been trying to do for many, many decades. Since then, others have come out to help, and we welcome them to do so. Other countries have stepped forward, they want to help, and we think that’s great. The nations in the region must ultimately take on the responsibility of helping Turkey and Syria police their border. We want other nations to get involved…..
“In any event, by the moves that we’ve made, we are achieving a much more peaceful and stable area between Turkey and Syria, including a 20-mile-wide safe zone. … Thousands and thousands of people have been killed in that zone over the years. But it’s been sought for many, many decades, and I think we have something that’s going to be strong and hold up.
“Turkey, Syria, and all forms of the Kurds, have been fighting for centuries. We have done them a great service, and we’ve done a great job for all of them. And now we’re getting out….
“Countless lives are now being saved as a result of our negotiation with Turkey — an outcome reached without spilling one drop of American blood. No injuries. Nobody shot, nobody killed.
“I have just spoken to General Mazloum, a wonderful man, the Commander-in-Chief of the SDF Kurds. And he was extremely thankful for what the United States has done. Could not have been more thankful. General Mazloum has assured me that ISIS is under very, very strict lock and key, and the detention facilities are being strongly maintained. There were a few that got out — a small number, relatively speaking — and they’ve been largely recaptured.
“I’m also sure that he will be issuing his own statement very shortly. We had a great talk. But we’ve saved the lives of many, many Kurds. He understands that. The war was going to be vicious and probably not very long….
“There were some political pundits who responded to Turkey’s offensive in Syria by calling for yet another American military intervention. I don’t think so. But halting the incursion by military force would have required deploying tens of thousands of American troops against Turkey — a NATO Ally and a country the United States has developed a very good relationship with, including President Erdogan.
“The same people that I watched and read — giving me and the United States advice — were the people that I have been watching and reading for many years. They are the ones that got us into the Middle East mess but never had the vision or the courage to get us out. They just talk.
“How many Americans must die in the Middle East in the midst of these ancient sectarian and tribal conflicts? After all of the precious blood and treasure America has poured into the deserts of the Middle East, I am committed to pursuing a different course — one that leads to victory for America.
“Through much work, we have done things that everybody said couldn’t be done. Today’s announcement validates our course of action with Turkey that only a couple of weeks ago were scorned, and now people are saying, ‘Wow. What a great outcome. Congratulations.’ It’s too early to me to be congratulated, but we’ve done a good job. We’ve saved a lot of lives.
Most importantly, we have avoided another costly military intervention that could’ve led to disastrous, far-reaching consequences. Many thousands of people could’ve been killed….
“Eight long years after President Obama’s ill-fated push at regime change, U.S. troops are still on the ground in Syria. More than half a million people are dead, hundreds of thousands are terribly injured, and millions more Syrians are displaced. It really is a nightmare of misery.
“Across the Middle East, we have seen anguish on a colossal scale. We have spent $8 trillion on wars in the Middle East, never really wanting to win those wars. But after all that money was spent and all of those lives lost, the young men and women gravely wounded — so many — the Middle East is less safe, less stable, and less secure than before these conflicts began….
“As a candidate for President, I made clear that we needed a new approach to American foreign policy, one guided not by ideology, but by experience, history, and a realistic understanding of the world.
“We are building up America’s military might like never before, investing $2.5 trillion since my election. But we will not be depleted. We will not happen again. It will not be allowed to happen again, where our military is depleted, fighting in areas of the world where we shouldn’t be.
“When we commit American troops to battle, we must do so only when a vital national interest is at stake, and when we have a clear objective, a plan for victory, and a path out of conflict. That’s what we have to have. We need a plan of victory. We will only win. Our whole basis has to be the right plan, and then we will only win. Nobody can beat us. Nobody can beat us.
“I want to again thank everyone on the American team who helped achieve the ceasefire in Syria, saved so many lives, along with President Erdogan of Turkey — a man I’ve gotten to know very well and a man who loves his country. And, in his mind, he’s doing the right thing for his country, and we may be meeting in the very near future….
“The job of our military is not to police the world. Other nations must step up and do their fair share. That hasn’t taken place. Today’s breakthrough is a critical step in that direction.
“Thank you all very much, and God bless America. Thank you. Thank you.”
It looks to me like we are beginning to see a change in foreign policy away from wars of aggression, which have only benefited the military industrial complex. Secretary of Defense Mark Esper, speaking to reporters before he left Riyadh, yesterday, explained that, in fact, the troops being pulled out of Syria will eventually go home, now that the Iraqi government has made clear it doesn’t want them. What’s not clear is how long it will take them to get there. “[W]e’ll reposition as they come out of northeast Syria into Iraq,” he said. “You know, eventually, their destination is home. But what we’ve got to do is pull them out deliberately, out of northeast Syria, and make our preparations to go home from there….” Esper arrived in Baghdad early this morning, where he was to discuss the matter with Iraqi government officials. He repeated, in response to a later question, that “the end state is to bring the troops home, which is what the president wants to do, and — and we’ll have those conversations, those details, as — as events unfold.”
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2019/10/donald-trump-middle-east-consequences/600610/
What drumpf has ultimately done to the Kurds and ISIS spoken by someone who knows his back end from a total disaster looming on the horizon.
Our future will be in cooperating with China, India and Russia on the Silk Road Land Bridge Project and the Moon-Mars space program. JFK’s space program was the most beneficial to mankind ever developed. Remember the money was not spent on the moon, but on earth.
Tulsi Gabbard:
I’m running for president to take the Democratic Party back from those who continue to carry out the Hillary Doctrine of more regime change wars and escalating the new cold war, and instead lead with a new foreign policy that is truly of the people, by the people, and for the people –> https://tulsi.to/take-back
Nothings says peace like 74,000 troopers in a war zone and that ain’t even counting the 200,000 civilian contractors (mercs). Killing for peace is like screwing for chastity. I cleaned that up a bit.
Chubby is a bald faced liar when it comes to anything remotely resembling peace. Ask those 74,000 troops in harms way. Why is the defense spending so high if all is so well in these war zones?
Whatever became of Reagan Republicans? They certainly don’t exist anymore either. Chubby support comes from draft dodgers and those who had the fake bone spurs or other means to avoid service.
https://www.facebook.com/100003060953006/posts/2258284190950257/
Don’t do facebook as it is corrupted. What ya go there big fella?
Try this one
https://larouchepac.com/20191015/interview-senator-black-syria-withdrawal-end-perpetual-war
Wow. Just . . . wow. smh
What a bunch of hooey ron w. A state senator? Really man, that would be like quoting Nelson nationally.
“.@LucasFoxNews reports Pentagon “likely” to send tanks and armored units to eastern Syria to protect the oil fields. The tanks will come from unit already in Mideast. This would require hundreds of additional US troops to Syria, US officials.”
Chubby’s pull out just got a might complicated as we are now gonna send some tanks and troops to steal Syria’s oil. Only a republican could come up with this kind of shenanigan. Wonder what our wonder boys South Dakota senators will say about their support for this.
Tulsi, the Russian asset, is on a roll for a third party try. Turns out, Clinton was correcto mundo. Tulsi is a little stinker and Putin thinker.
“”Gabbard was in New York City last night for a private meeting with Wall Street executives and possible donors. This meeting occurred at Anthony Scaramucci’s Hunt and Fish club. It was sponsored by Robert Wolf, as you know is a Fox Business contributor but also a prominent Democratic Party fundraiser.” said Gasparino.”
Jerry, its really sad that you have bought into the propaganda machines hit on Ms Gabbard. She is one 3 of the current herd of Dem presidential candidates that is making sense. You are railing against the number of troops that are in the mid-east while her main platform is to get the hell out of these ridiculous wars.
Can’t you see through the propagandist drivel being foisted on the citizens of this country and the world? It is so obvious to me. Half a dozen establishment news agency’s all owned by the richest people in the world and what would you expect? Follow the bouncing dollar! The military industrial complex that Eisenhower warned us to be vigilant of has huge sway over that media.
BTW, I was saying that it was a good thing that apparently we were getting out of Syria not that we were getting out of the mid-east as your troop numbers indicate.
Remember…… the reason we have Donald Trump is Hillary Clinton!!
Yes sad, Tulsi agrees with Assad, the dictator in Syria. Remember, the 3 million actual Clinton voters who disagree with you Clyde. I know that you’ve seen the reports about the Russian involvement, but you apparently have forgotten that. It did actually happen.
That military industrial complex would like nothing better than 4 more years of Chubby and one of the ways they get that is through a third party candidate. Ta da, Tulsi is that choir gal reading off the same sheet music as her boss in St. Petersburg. All Tulsi need do is deny, but she cannot.
Russian state news has this to say. Guess we will be hearing more from these guys and their bots. Democracy is so overrated they say. A third rate, third world country once again is kicking our arse and we’re allowing it while they laugh about it.
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#Russia’s state TV is laughing at the circus caused by the Republicans storming the most restricted area of the Capitol: “Those are the people who try to tell us how to conduct ourselves!”
The host: “Poor things, they’re so upset! Still—without us, they can’t elect a President.”
Jerry, I don’t remember Tulsi AGREEING with Assad. I do remember her showing that our media and government was lying to the American public. She was not alone in that. Assad might not be much of a leader but for some reason the refugees want to go back to his Syria. Similarly, its my understanding that religious freedom in his Syria was far greater than in neighboring country’s.
Furthermore, if you really look at the facts it’s pretty hard to think that Russia had all that much influence on the election. Yes, there is no doubt that they didn’t like HRC and didn’t want her to win. They saw her for what she was…..someone that would be behind massive military incursion into Syria.
Yes, the 3 million Clinton voters demonstrate just how well that propaganda machine is working.
Remember, Jerry, I’m a liberal but I couldn’t bring myself to vote for either of the two worst candidates for president this country has ever run.
Should we ban all third party candidates, Jerry. Democracy would work so much better with only the two party’s?!
Anyway, you can continue your diet of propaganda. I like varied sources that haven’t got big pockets to fill.
She shocked Democratic congressional leaders in 2017 when she revealed she had met that January with Assad without informing them and began referring to Assad’s opponents as “terrorists.” The U.S. and other nations have labeled Assad a war criminal for using chemical weapons against his own people.
She has said she does not regret the trip. As recently as February, Gabbard appeared to defend Assad, telling MSNBC’s Joe Scarborough the Syrian leader is “not the enemy of the United States because Syria does not pose a direct threat to the United States.”
She is right…..Syria does not pose a direct threat to the United States. Just like nearly all the country’s that we have gone to war with in recent history. SHE DOESN’T LIKE WAR! Because of that she is being branded as a enemy of the electorate. For Christ sake she is a major in the guards who has had the job of triage in Irag. I think that would turn any sane person off to war!
Her treatment by the media is blatant smear by those who DO like war! We are the major supplier of arm’s to the world. How much power would you suppose those company’s have?
While you are smearing Ms Gabbard please remember how much good has been done by our incursion into IRAG, LIBIA, and SYRIA.
Remember when she resigned her post on the DNC and backed Bernie? Suppose that HRC might be a little upset over that? She decided to back the person that we should have as president right now rather than one of the two worst candidates ever run!
It just amazes me how gullible people are to this propaganda machine. My god folks…..go back and read 1984! Orwell was off by just a few years.
BTW….those gas attack’s in Syria have been proven to be bogus to everyone except our propaganda peddlers.
Ms Gabbard is not running for re-election.
I didn’t smear her. i just tossed out an interesting tidbit that shows she and Assad have similar thoughts, like Jerry said.
I would like to know who told you the gas attacks were phony. I would not put it past a wingnut administration to conjure up phony excuses for attacks, but Obama believed the attacks were real.
She is taking campaign contributions from big donors and I don’t like that but, hey, she hasn’t got a chance so she might as well get cash from wherever she can. This system lets you keep it after all.
https://www.newsweek.com/what-truth-about-chemical-attacks-syrian-civilians-805264
Russia took the lead trying to discredit reports of gas attacks to protect Assad. Then some Mother Superior made a spectacular claim the victims had been kidnapped and killed. This claim was debunked by the kidnapped victims own families.
I am open to listening to legitimate claims the attacks didn’t happen. I would not trust a word coming from Drumpf or wingnuts.
A correction on campaign cash, if you will….. What Happens to Leftover Campaign Funds When a Candidate Drops Out?
BY ETHAN TREX FEBRUARY 22, 2016
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One thing’s for sure: Upset candidates can’t console themselves by putting the dough toward a new yacht and sailing off to recuperate. The Federal Election Commission has strict rules about what federal candidates can and can’t do with leftover campaign money, and the biggest directive is that they can’t pocket it for personal use.
Here’s what a campaign committee is allowed to do with any lingering cash: it can donate the funds to charities or political parties; it can contribute $2000 per election to other candidates; and it can save the money in case the candidate chooses to run again. However, those regulations don’t apply to the relatively new super PACs (Political Action Committees); this is only the second election where they have played a role, and there are currently no rules to stipulate what happens to that money beyond that it cannot go to fund another federal candidate. Much of that money tends to be returned to its original donors, used to wrap up the failed campaign, or donated to back a state-level candidate. The goal, however, is always to spend all of that money.
Well, lots of people got fooled into believing the attacks were real.
Get on youtube and type in “Syrian gas attacks” and you will see that around half of the posts surely do question the validity of the attack’s.
Let me ask you. Assad is winning the war so he does the one thing that will bring on the ire of the US and cause him to be attacked….gas his people.
How about the so called journalist sniffing the Serin gas infused clothing and declaring to the world there has been a Serin attack? In reality she would be writhing on the ground in her death throes. Buuuut…. our media takes it as gospel.
I was mistaken then on campaign fund’s….don’t know where I got that. They can save it towards the next election though and that could be huge.
How about the UN not buying into the attacks. Are they credible?
This isn’t on the gas attacks specifically I don’t believe but is one of my favorite takes on Syria.
A you tube vid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9F-cHc5Qog
Of course you and Dale are correct Clyde. This all is just a witch hunt on poor widdle Chubby trumpy. No one is dying, the tanks are just props that we have around the oil fields. Nothing to see here, let’s move on. We’ve always been at war with Eastasia.
Jerry, its nice you notice that we have always been at war with Eastasia! [insert smiley face]. If one doesn’t like war, like you, they should be behind Ms Gabbard.
Personally, I think J Dale does too much weed and I can’t see much that I agree with him on. Especially the detestable Trump.
Chow…I’ve got things needing done.
Here is another feller who thinks like Tulsi. United States Senator John Cronyn is cool to the idea of getting American troops out of the way so Turkey can ethnically cleanse these Christian Kurds. I mean what the hell, it ain’t like they’re real Protestants or Baptists even. I guess Big John would know if there was ethnically cleansing going on…and he now agrees to it, so I guess there are flames with the smoke.
https://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/2019/10/23/cornyn-not-a-bad-idea-to-get-us-troops-out-of-the-way-if-turkey-planned-to-ethnically-cleanse-the-kurds/
Meanwhile, Turkey plucks the feathers out of Chubby’s abandonment.
“Turkey’s President Recep Tayyip Erdogan demanded the United States hand over the commander of Kurdish-led forces in Syria, in a sharp rebuke of Washington’s call for negotiations with the Syrian Kurds.”
I think there will be another cave coming. When that happens, expect the Jamal Khashoggi treatment on this feller. After all, Turkey has the tapes and the video of how to get that deed done with no ethnic cleansing, just scientific cleansing.
And, for a thousand years Turks have a certain way to treat prisoners. In the butt! BOHICA, Kurds. Trump should rot in hell for what he’s done to our long time allies.
Istanbul was Constantinople, now it’s Istanbul, not Constantinople, been a long time gone, Constantinople, why did Constantinople get the works… that’s nobody’s business but the Turks…
Great song!
Drumpf is Atom ant about keeping troops and tanks to protect his Syrian oil fields. This clown cannot be removed from office fast enough to save the world.
It is a great song John!
Clyde, the ratio of videos pro and con about any topic on YouTube is not a valid source for anything. There’s plenty of weird stuff on there.
If Gabbard or anyone else runs as a 3rd party candidate, they Do Not get my vote because the very worst thing that can happen to the USA is another Pootie’s Puppet term. If it’s a vote between 2 evils, then so be it. Any Democrat is exponentially less evil than Pootie’s Puppet.
As for Hillary running again, I doubt it and I seriously hope not. She’s had her shot and I did support her in 2016. Pootie would be a shadow of his murderous, brutal, dictatorial self now if she were president. So would the other newly more powerful dictators. Erdogan, Duteurte, Kim, MBS, etc, would not frighten or intimidate her they way they’ve been able to so effectively toy with Tantrum Toddler, pulling his strings, jerking him around.
Pootie’s not stupid. That’s exactly why he put his resources into getting his Puppet “elected.” Sham FB and Twitter accounts, hacking voting machines, bribing his “July 4 senators”, etc.
So we’re stuck with Pootie’s Puppet and our goal for 2020 must be “No More Years!”
On Oct. 17, after his great victory for peace in Syria, President Trump tweeted out a message which said, “This is a great day for civilization. I am proud of the United States for sticking by me in following a necessary, but somewhat unconventional, path.”
That was true in itself, while at the same time, it also points towards a more general truth. Over the past three years, the patriotic American people who elected Donald Trump, have fought painfully forward against the repeated efforts of British imperial forces, along with British-linked virtual traitors in America, to illegally and unconstitutionally remove him from office. Those adversaries have still not yet given up in their vile attempt to reverse the 2016 election (just as Establishment forces in Britain have been determined to reverse the results of the 2016 Brexit referendum there). Through peaks and troughs, the battle has raged. So far, each of their successive attempts has eventually been beaten back. Phase One of the coup culminated in an effort to corrupt the Electoral College to overthrow the election. It was defeated. Phase Two culminated in the Mueller investigation—which was also defeated. Now, in Phase Three, we face the impeachment caper. Every day, a new “smoking gun” is discovered to supposedly guarantee the impeachment of the President.
Like the President’s victory in Syria, the defeat of Phase Two of the coup has required a somewhat unconventional path—the “Mueller Dossier” campaign of the Lyndon LaRouche political movement. This has given the defense of the President and the Constitution a “cutting edge” which was instrumental in its victory, regardless of the relatively small number of citizens directly involved in it. In Autumn of 2017, that movement put a dossier into mass-circulation which forced its readers to face the fact that it was a foreign power—not Moscow, but the British Empire—which had intervened in the U.S. elections, and after failing to defeat Trump in those elections, had used captive elements of the US government conjointly with foreign intelligence services to try to force him out of office illegally.
The way these shocking facts were proven was also unconventional—by showing, chapter and verse, that the identical British and British-steered institutions and even identical individuals, like Robert Mueller, were used to frame Lyndon LaRouche in 1988-89, and Donald Trump today!
The unconventional mass intervention along these lines gave a huge factitious advantage to everyone who stepped in to defend the President and the Constitution. Namely, if the coup-plotters tried to refute the “Mueller Dossier” charges, they would find themselves inadvertently publicizing those very charges and thus bringing the late Lyndon LaRouche’s personal identity and ideas back into the limelight where Americans could use them. If they kept silent, the charges would be widely accepted—as they have been! What changes we have seen!
Now Phase Two has petered out after Bob Mueller’s pathetic Congressional testimony—but after a few weeks, Phase Three suddenly popped up with renewed virulence—the drive for impeachment. At the same time, a whole new dynamic has entered the equation. It is clear to everyone on the inside that the parasitic world financial system is moving swiftly towards the abyss—even if they all agree that “outsiders” should not be allowed to suspect this just yet. Don’t speak of another 2007-09 collapse. History does not repeat itself—while additionally it is clear that the resources used to cover over that earlier phase of collapse no longer exist, after years of quantitative easing and zero and even negative interest rates.
From the top, this Phase Three owes its suddenness and its surprising virulence—if you consider that none of the previous charges against the President could be substantiated—to the masters in London, who cannot tolerate the thought that when their system blows out, the United States will be headed by a figure who will probably not behave himself and act on their orders as George W. Bush and Barack Obama did earlier. While meanwhile, down below, on the level of the dirty intelligence operatives and suchlike, their high dudgeon stems from their hope that when the Horowitz and Barr-Durham reports finally appear and incriminate them, that those reports can be written off, as somehow the products of a President desperately trying to avoid impeachment. (A part which he refuses to play.)
London apparently hopes that the impeachment charade can impede the President, or take his eyes off the ball of the financial collapse, at a coming crucial moment. They succeeded in intimidating Bill Clinton out of his proposals for a “new world financial architecture” by means of an equally worthless impeachment-charade earlier
Thus at the present moment, we, the loyal Americans, are called to a complicated sort of war on two fronts, which will combine, intertwine and then separate again, forcing us to be ever on the alert in our decidedly “unconventional” tactics. While continuing to creatively use the LaRouche case in the battle, we can now bring in massive evidence regarding Obama’s corrupt operation with neo-Nazis in Ukraine, which the adversary has thrown into the impeachment fight, and which was one of Lyndon LaRouche’s key preoccupations at the end of his life. At the same time, the financial crisis can only be undone through an approach coherent with Lyndon LaRouche’s principles of economics. And now, unlike in 2007-09, we have a President able to take that step.
What allows this to happen now, is the massive changes which have occurred in China and Russia as well as the United States. All three nations have been involved in the revolutionary progress seen in Syria, where China has volunteered to come in and lead postwar reconstruction efforts as part of its “Belt and Road.” Russia’s historic conference on Africa just concluded, featured almost every one of Africa’s heads of state and government. The ability at last to achieve a concert of the major powers, for peace on earth, for peaceful exploration of space, and for the new world credit system designed by LaRouche after Franklin Roosevelt’s precedent, is a sure support to our efforts and a visible guarantee that they can be effective, as we enter this super-complex battlefield.
Man, I’m thinking that J Dale isn’t the only one on this forum that is has been smoking too much! You folks are loosing touch with reality.
Mike says that Tulsi Gabbard isn’t running for re-election. Too bad….this country needs her but she is smart enough to see that the powers that be have their cross hairs on her. She would be done in the same way that they have done in Dennis Kucinich and Alan Grayson. They have the money and the power to control those who speak the truth.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/10/deploy-troops-eastern-syrian-secure-oil-fields-191025022517393.html
While troops evacuate Syria and leave the Kurds to their fate, Drumpf wants to send more troops to Syria alongside the thrown under the bus Kurds to protect oil fields.
Stable genius, eh lads? Great leader? Says what he means? Knows what he is doing? Brilliant negotiator? Very good business man? Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
There are some folks on the far-left fringes who are as deep into conspiracy theorizing as much of the right these days. The contrail folks, anti-vaxers and Russian meme spreaders are found on the far left as much as on the right. There’s something about being enthralled by this kind of stuff that is common to those on the fringes. What’s different these days is that this kind of thinking has infected about half of the Republican Party, because of the loony tunes programming on FOX News. I’ve listened to some “Christian” Radio lately, and that’s another place where paranoid ideation and Republican talking points reenforce themselves on some shows. The nut cases are still very much a small fringe in the Democratic Party. I used to respect Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. until he went off half-cocked on vaccinations.
LaRouche used to gin up these folks and try to make a splash in the Democratic Party. I hope he’s dead. I haven’t heard about him in years. I do know the Green Party houses a fair number of these nutcases.
Some more on the subject….another youtube vid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjSnPMCch3g
Why are these journalist’s any less creditable than the establishment media in this country????
Of course as is always the case….The first casualty of war is the truth.
It isn’t me saying Gabbard isn’t running, I just pass on the tidbits.
https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/25/tulsi-gabbard-wont-run-congress-reelection-2020-057222
I read that elsewhere too Mike. Gabbard says she won’t run for Congress again. I wonder why? I haven’t heard much detail about her reasoning. I wonder if she plans on other political activities? Governor of Hawaii? Lobbying? Or private sector life?
I’m all for a third party candidate. :) I choose Mitt Romney.
Another wingnut flew the coop….. https://www.rawstory.com/2019/10/what-the-absolute-hell-is-wrong-with-you-gop-lawmaker-blasted-after-celebrating-alleged-russian-spys-release-from-us-jail/
Maria Butt in a sling was supposed to be deported upon release from prison. No pheasant hunts for you, bad girl!
Speaking of flying the coop, Kansas women in the statehouse are leaving the GOP and becoming Democrats.
What happens in Kansas happens to the country.
GOP- the party of bitter old white men and a few ignorant, fearful young white men.
Careful, Debbo. Talking like that about older, angry, white, males might make Happy stop crying and defend his expertise of SD. lol
Tulsi announced it herself on Fox, of course.
Way back one time I read something about Gabbard being anti-gay, or anti-LGBT if you prefer. That rather diluted any interest I had in her so I haven’t followed her. I’ve searched for more on that, but haven’t found it, so I’m wondering if I imagined it, but I don’t think so. Anybody know?
mfi, who can blame Massie for defending the Red Sparrow. After all, he and Moscow Mitch just got barrel full of money for an aluminum operation funded by the Russians in Kentucky. The dude is kind of a twerp though, reminds me of her old boy friend and lover, Paul Erickson from South Dakota. Whatever happened to that boy, has he moved to St. Petersburg?
Ron W., if you’re talking about the Steele Dossier, that was commissioned and put into the news by the Washington Free Beacon originally, which is a conservative publication. Conservative, but didn’t like Trump. And the rest is history.
Ron W., if you’re talking about the Steele Dossier, that was commissioned and put into the news by the Washington Free Beacon originally, which is a conservative publication. Conservative, but didn’t like Trump. And the rest is history.
I read down to where you started talking about “the coup” and decided it was a waste of time. Error #2: Trump started “phase 3” himself with his blackmail phone call to Zelensky of Ukraine. He just can’t stop running his mouth when he should. He has only himself to blame if any “coup” succeeds.
Here it is, from CNN, just popped up.
(CNN) Rep. Tulsi Gabbard in the early 2000s touted working for her father’s anti-gay organization, which mobilized to pass a measure against same-sex marriage in Hawaii and promoted controversial conversion therapy.
Gabbard, a Democrat from Hawaii, said Friday in an interview with CNN’s Van Jones that she will seek her party’s nomination for president in 2020. Her past views and activism in opposition to LGBT rights in the late 90s and early 2000s, which put her out of step with most of the Democratic Party at the time, have come under more intense scrutiny since her announcement.
Although Gabbard’s positions on LGBT rights have shifted dramatically in more recent years (she signed a 2013 amicus brief supporting Edith Windsor’s challenge to the Defense of Marriage Act), the extent of Gabbard’s past anti-gay activism has already drawn criticism from prominent Democrats and will likely be a major issue for her as she seeks the party’s nomination.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/13/politics/kfile-tulsi-gabbard-lgbt/in
Let your political leaders know that the American people will not stand for impeachment,
nor will they stand for bailing out the once-again failing banks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=rtGXtS7RDIQ
From what I can see, the American people can’t wait for Trump to be impeached. I think it’s something like 55% that approve impeachment ASAP. Actually, Pelosi tried to hold them off until she had the solid goods on him, but since the Ukraine fiasco, most are in favor, according to multiple polls.
Why have LaRouche’s opponents spent so much time and money attacking him? LaRouche’s economic breakthroughs have provided him a unique ability to forecast economic crises and to provide solutions and superior policies for the future. How did he forecast the 2007–08 economic collapse, when nearly everyone was caught by surprise? Why is this man, who ran for president seven times as a Democrat, defending Donald Trump? For what reason did developing nations’ leaders—such as the president of Mexico and the prime minister of India—promote his ideas, while George H.W. Bush had him thrown in prison? What benefits can an understanding of his method and proposals bring us today?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyKR6erhCqY
“And a new Quinnipiac poll illustrates some of this. It was the fourth time that Quinnipiac had asked whether Americans supported the impeachment inquiry (it first asked in late September), and it found that a majority of Americans — 55 percent — approve of the inquiry. This result was essentially the same as the previous times they asked: Approval of the inquiry has fluctuated slightly between 51 and 55 percent, while disapproval has remained stuck between 43 and 45 percent.”
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/where-the-public-stands-on-impeachment-one-month-in/
And what in blazes has Lyndon Larouche got to do with what’s happening now? Oh, wait. . .never mind.
“More than 4,000 African-American men, women and children were lynched — burned, beaten, drowned, shot or hanged to death — between 1877 and 1950. Trump almost certainly doesn’t know this. To a president who operates as an internet troll as much as a head of state, “lynching” is just another provocation — another way to seize the national conversation in the face of bad news and criticism. And to a man who can’t see beyond his own ego, “lynching” must feel like an apt analogy for the scrutiny of his political opponents. He can’t imagine anything worse.”
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/donald-trumps-lynching/ar-AAJkEs6
I remember the man dragged down the road by a car for god knows how many miles to his death. Sadly, I don’t remember his name.
Because LaRouche was a full blown bigot and full fueled kook. Local people who opposed him for any reason were accused in his publications of being commies, homosexuals, drug pushers, and terrorists. Do you think this is normal, Ron? Well, maybe you’re a kook, too.
“Impotence! Fear of rats! CIA-rats, KGB-rats, FBI-rats, trade-union-official-rats, Left-rats generally. Rats! Rats! Rats! Save yourself! Be impotent! The rats hate anything which is not impotent! There are so many rats! Gigantic, awfully monstrous beetles, malevolent beetles with beetle eyes and gigantic sexual organs are coming to rape us. . . . Find a woman to be a surrogate for your mother, and propitiate the awful gigantic rat of a mother-image sadist within you with another woman. . . . You feel better at the same time you feel the awfulness of that degradation. Mother always loved you again after you were punished. . . . Live a private life of Hell, keep your frightened Self cowering within the rat-mask you wear for the edification of the world of rats. Be impotent; be a “Trotskyist.” – Lyndon LaRouche
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2019/02/the-utterly-bizarre-life-of-lyndon-larouche
Porter, “utterly bizarre” is just about right. Wow.
I know Robin. The whole “lynching” thing is a typical comment for a narcissist. He has only shreds of sanity left.
Another victim of conspiracy
https://www.rt.com/news/471885-maria-butina-welcome-home/
Mr. Wieczorek, I am among your largest supporters. Biggest, not fattest. Would you please call me at the old phone number, or have our common close personal friend, Mr. Newland, put you in touch with me? I have important issues of which you need to be aware.
Late yesterday, the New York Times published a rant about their confirmation that U.S. Attorney John Durham’s staffing up with agents and lawyers is not to continue an administrative review of the origins of the Trump/Russia witch hunt; it is now a criminal investigation. Several wags on Fox last night noted that Adult Depends are selling out in the Washington, D.C. area. At the same time DOJ Inspector General Michael Horowitz released a letter he had written to Congress, saying that his telephone book-sized report concerning FISA abuse in the Russiagate investigation is now in the last stages of declassification review and is expected to be only lightly redacted. Leaks have indicated that Durham is most interested in James Clapper, John Brennan, Peter Strzok, and Christopher Steele, although there is obviously no way to confirm this.
It would appear that the Horowitz Report release is to provide the irrefutable factual justification for the criminal investigation being conducted by Attorney General William Barr through John Durham. Barr is now under vicious and smearing attack by the media, acting under the direction of his potential targets. Horowitz and Durham have records in cases which the media will have to twist itself into a pretzel in order to attack. But don’t hold your breath, they will attempt it. Again, what is at stake is the intelligence apparatus of the British Empire which has committed atrocity after atrocity and war crime after war crime since the death of Franklin Delano Roosevelt.
James Byrd, Robin, and he was dragged until his head came off. Potus dumbass dubya refused to call this a hate crime and one of the two racists convicted was recently executed if memory serves.
Drumpf is spiking footballs and patting himself on the back for a raid that killed ISIS leader. Military experts said the raid was nearly compromised by Drumpf’s decision to pull troops out of Syria. Then Drumpf had this to say https://www.rawstory.com/2019/10/trump-downplays-osama-bin-laden-killing-my-baghdadi-kill-was-the-biggest-there-is/
Just can’t pass a chance to take all the credit for himself.
Putin, meanwhile, doubts the raid and the death happened. Do I detect a lover’s quarrel?
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
“Do I detect a lover’s quarrel?”
Can a puppet and its master quarrel?
Alright, here’s some more on our foray into Syria and you folks really need to watch this! A you tube vid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9hPwbc8JZo
Maybe Tulsi just might be right!
Drumpf is like a Howard Cosell doll, you don’t wind it up and it still talks. Of course it can quarrel with its master.
Clyde, Mother Agnes, Jimmy Dore, Dennis Kucinich all received money from pro-Assad lobbying group. Now I wonder how much it influences their standing up for Assad and Syria.
https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2019/09/30/pro-assad-lobby-group-rewards-bloggers-on-both-the-left-and-the-right/
Drumpf exposed lots of sensitive info about the raid to any enemy out there. The guy can’t keep his pie hole shut and does not care who gets hurt as he pats himself on the back.
As for Tulsi, story is she was primaried by another Dem and nearly lost to that challenge. Her wingnut opponent she beat handily. Maybe she sees the writing on the wall for being too brash.
Clyde, that video is over 2 years old. For the record, this is 2019.
ron w., post the New York Times link
Well, i don’t know if you folks are just trying to get my hackles up or what. Where does bellingcat get his money??. If you speak truth to power in this country everything possible is done to crush you. Ever since I was a lad I was taught to weigh the sides of an issue and try to pick the most plausible. Is Eva Bartlett getting rich from what she is doing? How about Jimmy Dore? Rachel Maddow is getting something like 30K / hr for preaching what the powerful want to hear. If you wish to blindly buy into the establishment propaganda I’m wasting my time here.
Jerry, here’s a vid that is even older: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GcP1Gb_1Jc
2005…..who’s behind those gas attack’s do you suppose??
Clyde, you’re saying you believe the videos you’re linking to are the most plausible?! 😳 Wow.
Come on Debbo!!!! CNN is talking about the US going after regime change in Syria in 2005 and you think we are there now for humanitarian reason’s??????
Please explain WHY you think we are there, Debbo. I’d like to know how people that eat up what our propaganda machine is telling us really believe. Whats your take on Venezuela?
You think that a gas cylinder like I use for welding lying on a bed where it supposedly ended up after being dropped from a helicopter is real! That it contained Sarin gas!!The only gas that has been proven by reliable sources to have been used is Chlorine. One that anybody could make. And by reliable sources I’m talking the UN.
The stuff you are believing is plausible is a WOW!
Debbo, how about what David Stockman has to say on Fox business. Remember him…from that “greatest of all” conservative administration’s, R Reagan’s. I’m sure that he is a real “conspiracy theory” peddler. Does he believe there was gas attacks from Assad? Does he believe our establishment media is telling the truth? And after you listen to him what do you think of “establishment” Fox’es response to him?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwUAbPB20mw
Clyde, I’m not sure why you’re taking off in so many different directions because I doubt your source. You’re attributing many things to me that I didn’t reference, that aren’t my argument.
Here’s my argument in a nutshell: It is wrong at any time for the USA to walk away from our loyal allies and leave them at the mercy of their direst enemies.
I’m not following you down the rabbit hole of defending things I didn’t say.
The fact that someone is paid well for what she does, does not mean that what she does is untruthful or dishonorable.
Yes, thank you Mike, I saw his photo and name shortly after I posted that. Unspeakably horrendous.
The point I’m trying to make is that, as David Stockman agrees, there are no good guy’s involved with anything to do with Syria and we are one of the worst! CNN had wind of us, US, intending on overthrowing Assad in 2005. Tulsi Gabbard and Dennis Kucinich were right for going there! And all the American people can get out of this whole mess is lies to try and get support for this illegal invasion. Obama did it and Trump is doing it and the 100% propaganda machine we have now got for a press is pushing it. When you see this absolutely undeniable blasphemy of justice that I am bringing to your attention I would at least expect acknowledgement of it. I would expect readers to begin to have a real distrust for anything establishment press is supposedly informing them of.
Yes, we are treating the Kurd’s badly but, as I mentioned, whats new about that? We walk on whoever, whenever it suits us and have for quite a while. WE SHOULDN’T BE THERE.
Debbo, when you give a “Wow” to the sources that I consider plausible and infer that I am the one that is way out in left field I consider that an insult! I consider your eating up the so called news to be an indication of you being one of the sheep that have gotten this country to the mess it is in. Without a educated and [correctly] informed electorate a democracy can’t exist and that is where we are right now.
I suggest that you actually watch those video’s with an open mind!
Look, I’m not sure if Dennis Kucinich saw a spaceship or not, he said he did and who am I to disagree. But sometimes it’s hard for people go get behind a little green men story or anything then that may come out of their pie hole. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/10/31/kucinich-i-saw-a-ufo/
Regarding Tulsi, Why meet a despot war criminal that gassed his own people and then accepting it as normal? So what would’ve happened if Tulsi would have been taken hostage on this trip that was not formal or authorized? As far as I can tell, Johnson is not in agreement with Tulsi and furthermore, does not call the Kurd’s terrorists.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/26/tulsi-gabbard-bashar-al-assad-syria-democrats
The Middle-East is a dumpster fire of foreign policy. Despotic leaders (who the US both backs and opposes in a continuous flip-flop dance of momentary expedience) are fueled (literally) by mountains of cash from the sale of oil. US energy policy is not only a travesty for environmental reasons, it is also the cause for both our direct and our indirect involvement in the region.
A true, renewable, domestic energy production policy would neutralize so much of what is wrong about US foreign policy in the Middle-East. President Trump has doubled-down on the If-there-is-oil-we-will-occupy doctrine.
Jerry, Kucinich also spoke truth to power in this country so I would say that a spaceman story likely was manipulated by our media to maybe be far more than it was!
Jerry, watch the video’s with an open mind. Then at least I hope you will see that there is major doubt that Assad DID gas his own people.
Now why we are over in that part of the world is hard for me to pin down exactly. One can put a lot of incentives together though. Oil seems to always be the main reason we have issues with any country and we have no problem breaking the treasury and sending our kid’s to be killed over that. We have no problem with lying to the American public either. Vietnam, Irag, Libia, and now Syria.
Clyde, I have been reading the comments you, Debbo, and others have posted on this thread and something you wrote raises an issue that I have been wondering about lately. You wrote:
This apparent reference to the press or so-called main stream media, such as local news stations, CNN, NBC, ABC, PBS, etc. (please correct me if I am wrong), which most see as our traditional sources of news and information, suggests that you have concluded the factual stories we read in our newspapers and watch on these traditional news programs are unreliable propaganda.
I acknowledge that this certianly is a possibility, but admit I am at a loss of how you and others who make such a claim have satisfied yourselves that this claim is somehow true and that some alternate, less traditional source, such as Youtube videos, Infowars, Breitbart, is somehow more accurate or trustworthy. Can you describe the reasons for your conclusion and why are you confident that you have been able to identify the correct source of actual facts?
And this question not intended to criticize nor question your conclusions Clyde, rather, it seeks to understand why people who say they do not trust our mainstream media sources, have determined any particular alternative sources are actually more reliable when publishing conflicting reports or claims?
Clyde won’t believe anything, if he disagrees with it. And vice versa.
BCB, that 100% was, of course, an over reach and , yes, sources like Infowars, and Breitbart are wacko, IMO. I think everything should be taken with a grain of salt and a little rationality.
You need first to remember that all the main news sources are now controlled by a half dozen players that all are in that 1%. Greed would be the main ingredient in whats peddled as fact! Local sources get much of their talking points from the half dozen at the top and it goes on and on.
Clyde, you have provided a reasonable answer why you reject traditional local news media, but that does not really answer my primary question: What has lead you to rely on the particular information sources you have concluded are credible, which appear from your comments to often come on Youtube videos? (As for Breitbart and Infowars, they were mentioned only because some other DFP comments tend to cite them as sources for their conclusions).
Porter, it seems a rather human trait that most of us share to reject claims or sources that assert matters we don’t believe to be true. The question, however, is how do we decide what we believe to be true? What are our sources for such beliefs if not our mainstream information sources?
Yes, Porter, I’m pretty hard headed but I have been known to change my mind. You called me paranoid a while back and perhaps I am. I may tend to read more of a conspiracy than really exists but I would hope some would see my point’s. Sometimes conspiracy theories are proven to be actual conspiracy’s!
I’d like to apologize for going overboard on this. I tend to get my hackles up and become completely incapable of convincing anyone of anything.
I hope I have at least got some of you thinking…
BCB, I’ve read, though I may not be entirely accurate on it, that you-tube is publicly held and a main stock holder is the Norwegian government. They resist any efforts to censure. Otherwise, as a news source it couldn’t exist. The sources on you-tube are many and competitive like our media used to be. That alone give’s it credibility to me.
One main flaw in you-tube, though, is their algorithm that DOES limit opposing view’s.
Clyde, Thanks for your perspective. Incidently, it seems as if Youtube permits Breitbart videos, which suggest that you must rely on some other factor than Youtube’s ownership and competition among videos to find the purported factual statements in any particular Youtube video credible since you assess (correctly in my view) Breitbart as wacko.
I also note that Youtube now declines to publish Infowars materials, which seems to be an effort to censure. Perhaps that is the limit you identified.
Can you point to any other factors that entices you to accept as factual claims from non-mainstream videos or other sources that are inconsistent with what is reported by mainstream sources?
Youtube’s algorithms does not limit opposing views. They had removed certain content producers, such as Alex Jones, when they violated clearly posted community guidelines. If anything, youtube’s algorithm tends to create your own personal echo chamber. If you watched videos like Ben Shapiro, it becomes more likely to recommend people like Stephen Crowder to you in the future. Not arguing that this is appropriate, but I wanted to push back on the idea that youtube’s recommendation algorithm does anything of the sort.
Norway must be doing something right as they have a trillion dollar pension fund (not a normal pension as the funds come from oil revenues) to the tune of just under 200k per citizen.
And this is just one of two funds they have. The other goes to nationwide insurance for the masses.
o nails it for sure. Oil is our opioid. Like the heroin it is, we have to have the fix in order to do anything. If we put solar powered slate tiles on our roofs to generate our own grid, it would interfere with the bottom line of Wall Street. If we go electric on our vehicles, it would cost to much to re tool for even greater employment.
No the hands of power control us all and that hand has a firm grip on the shifting sand of the Mid East. We will never get out of any of those places without an energy program that is government backed like China has. Yes, we do need to be more like China in many ways. but not all.
Now we all wait on the Fed to lower interest rates for even more plunder of our wealth to the wealthy hands of control.
Dicta is right….an echo chamber is an apt description. I really don’t care for that but it doesn’t keep opposing views out entirely. You can always type in a search for opposition or another topic.
I live in the country and do not have cable or satellite but my wife insists on an internet connection. I’m afraid entertainment and news off the internet is something I have become addicted to. Spend entirely too much time here.
I misstated that….it doesn’t limit opposing views…just limits the subject. IMO.
BTW, Kudos o, I agree wholeheartedly!
Clyde, you’re welcome to have any opinion of me that you like. I have looked around YouTube and seen some pretty crazy stuff, that’s why the fact that something is on YouTube does not add credibility for me.
You didn’t respond to my first hand evidence from Kurds and Muslims in Minnesota who escaped Syria and confirm what mainstream media reported about what’s happening in Syria. Their experiences are not the same as your site’s claims.
I’m sorry I seemed to belittle you. I’ll try to be more careful about my language.
I do not support wars for oil. I could understand attacking ISIS in Afghanistan after 9/11. I could have understood playing very, very hard ball or even attacking Saudi Arabia too. There was no reason to attack Iraq. That was GWB’s and Darth Cheney’s wet dream. I could have understood placing a security force in Kurdistan similar to what Cadet Bone Spurs precipitously withdrew. Advocating for a legal Kurdistan at the UN would have been a good move too.
Containing ISIS is critical and an issue for the UN, NATO and similar organizations of nations.
What the Kurd’s are saying “So they are leaving us for oil? We heard for years that all America cared about was oil, but we didn’t believe it, and we thought the Americans were our friends. Now what do we have left?” Washington Post 10/30/2019
Yes Kurd’s, who do you have left? I’ll tell you, the US House of Representatives who resoundingly rebuked Chubby on his decision to leave you alone.
Jerry, the House and the majority of the nation. They don’t have Diplomatic Dunce and his minions. That’s a travesty.
Whatever their algorithms (and I’ll trust Dicta’s assessment), it’s certainly not YouTube’s fault that stupid racists click on stupid racist videos and believe stupid racist statements.
Consider Dusty Johnson. The people around him are throwing him all sorts of bad information based on their desire to defend a stupid racist White House. Dusty doesn’t have to listen to that bunk. He can choose to speak objective truth, as he did two weeks ago when he assessed Trump’s craven and reckless abandonment of our Kurdish allies as bad for American interests. He can choose to facilitate the stupid racist in the White House, as he has with no subsequent action to hold Trump accountable for hurting America’s geopolitical position and reverse the destructive actions of the White House.
Debbo, I accept your apology and realize we were just having a good old fashioned difference of opinion. I should have been more careful in my wording as well. There is lots of crazy stuff on you-tube as well as real revelations. One has to weight that out for themselves. When I was growing up we got two papers one that leaned left like my mom and one that leaned right like my dad. Lots of discussion over dinner! In the end I believe a consensus was always reached with simple common sense deciding the issue’s. Sometimes moms position seemed to make the most sense and sometimes dad’s.
Yes, we have dumped on the Kurd’s and other country’s will remember it. The minority Kurd’s are in a very bad spot on the map. I would hope they can ally themselves with Syria as last I heard they were doing.
Thanks Clyde. My parents were both moderate Democrats, but most of our farm neighbors were GOP. Didn’t affect neighborliness. We often had political discussions at dinner time too.
BTW, Debbo, if I were a refugee from that mess in Syria I sure wouldn’t say or do anything against the country that was giving me asylum. Any talking point they wanted to pursue would be mine as well!
Well here you go folks. Our #1 Traitor has turned Kurdish oil fields over to his hero he lusts for, Pootie. This is not a joke. All trails lead from him to Pootie, as the wise Madam Speaker Pelosi said. Word of the deal Pootie gets for 60% of the oil comes from Radio Free Europe. Here’s the place to start:
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https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/10/28/reminder-following-baghdadis-death-terrorists-were-killing-today-are-terrorists-we
Clyde, you’ve no basis to impeach their witness to the horror they’ve been facing. That’s a cheap shot on people who’ve suffered more cheap shots than most of us ever will.
Debbo, I’m just being a practical person and calling it like I see it. I put myself in the first person….I’m not familiar with the folks you are using as an example or what they have specifically been through.