Because he’s more interested in turning the South Dakota Legislature into a debating society—or maybe just a sub-channel of Fox News—Senator Stace Nelson (R-19/Fulton) is introducing a time-wasting resolution to supporting building Donald Trump’s wall.
The resolution isn’t up on the LRC website yet, but in a press release, Nelson claims to have the following co-sponsors on his resolution, mostly right-wing extremists ready to join Nelson in taxpayers’ time with their hobbyhorse posturing:
- Sen. Blake Curd (R-Sioux Falls)
- Sen. Lynne Hix-DiSanto (R-Rapid City)
- Sen. Phil Jensen (R-Rapid City)
- Sen. Jeff Monroe (R-Pierre)
- Sen. Lance Russell (R-Hot Springs)
- Rep. Tony Randolph (R-Rapid City)
- Rep. Tom Brunner (R-Nisland)
- Rep. Drew Dennert (R-Aberdeen)
- Rep. Kevin Jensen (R-Canton)
- Rep. Tim Goodwin (R-Rapid City)
- Rep. Taffy Howard (R-Rapid City)
- Rep. Sam Marty (R-Prairie City)
- Rep. Julie Frye-Mueller (R-Rapid City)
- Tom Pischke (R-Dell Rapids)
Remember: the South Dakota Legislature has zero authority on federal construction projects or immigration issues. Zero. Honest conservatives agree that a wall won’t work; sadly, Senator Nelson is showing his Trumpist stripes, wanting to abuse the all-too-brief Legislative Session to create more noise to distract voters from the facts behind Trump’s bogus policy… not to mention South Dakota’s very real and pressing economic needs.
Update 18:09 CST: Stace’s latest time-waster will be Senate Concurrent Resolution 4—SCR 4. LRC has the title and sponsors up but not the text yet.
Stupidest bunch of people on the planet. Thankyou Cory
I wrote this suggestion on Tsitrian’s blog, “The Constant Commoner,” another great SD blog.
“Here’s my suggestion: if South Dakota Republicans in Congress want to throw money away on a Wall how about they put in an amendment in the dead of night to siphon all that money to Wall, South Dakota. Give Trump the keys to the town, let him build Trump Wall Hotel and Cheeseburger Emporium. Open it up to gambling. Let Stormy Daniels open up a bar with dancers. Trump gets his Wall, and a hotel in a far better place than Moscow. Stormy gets paid off legally, making money in the oldest profession. Trump resigns the Presidency to run the operation and legally pimp out Stormy to quarterbacks, after South Dakota legalizes prostitution. I suppose we can end the Mueller probe if he leaves office. Thune, get busy and write up the deal.”
Sometimes it is just gets flat embarrassing to admit you are from SD. Feckless Noem. Smilin’ Mike. The Photo Op Kid. And now this crapola? Are we trying to be the Mississippi of the north?
CAH, Well, if you can’t refute the arguement, change the subject. In regards to your claims this in anyway wastes taxpayer time, such a claim is absolutely without merit. The first weeks of session are slow as no bills have been filed. Lot of short days. Regardless, legislators do not get paid by the hour, and have plenty of time to discuss and debate all the important issues of today. Illegal immigration is a pressing issue. Estimates are that the 11-22 Million illegal aliens COST as much as $275 BILLION a year.
The effect of Resolutions have been watered down since the 17th amendment; however, they are the historic fashion states communicated to their federal delegations the principles and opinions of the state legislatures. Your own post betrays your summary dismissal as if they were in fact nothing, you wouldn’t be posting about it.
But, please… I will yield the blog floor to those who protest the idea of public debates on important issues of the times.. and of states asserting their Constitutional rights.
Stace Nelson won’t respond to or debate any of my posts, but it appears he is either lying or a useful dupe that likes to spread debunked anti-immigrant hate propanganda. His undocumented and unsourced claim that people without papers “COST as much as $275 BILLION a year” (italics added) has been addressed by FactCheck in relation to an old circulating email also making even higher untrue cost claims (along with other hate propaganda). I’ll quote the 2009 FactCheck conclusion about actual costs, and encourage readers to review the report as it details each of the alleged “cost claims” and provides actual facts to debunk the propaganda. I have found nothing to suggest this analysis has changed. More recent data, in fact, establishes that the number of people without papers has decreased in the last ten years.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/27/us/illegal-immigrants-population-study.html
The FactCheck link is set out after the quote.
https://www.factcheck.org/2009/04/cost-of-illegal-immigrants/
I suppose a legislator that will openly defy his sworn oath to support the U.S. Constitution’s protection against government interference with a woman’s right of privacy is also comfortable spreading false or unsupported propaganda on other issues. here is seeks to gin up local hatred against groups of people with the least power to resist his attacks and perhaps, in turn, use them to win some votes. His philosophy seems to be “spread false attacks against the defenseless for personal gain.”
I dislike this conclusion, but Nelson’s unwillingness to engage with my posts in an effort to explain or to justify his challenged behavior seems to support no other rational result.
“BearCreekBat” Your disrespectful comments and ridiculous nom de guerre deserve no thoughtful response. Mr H. Has intentionally not posted the extensive body of the legislation which was in heavy part stolen from Congressional records and the US GAO. There is nothing to debate or intelligently discuss in this blog post in which he simply rails against the legitimate Legisaltive process on an issue the Democrats have flip flopped on.
P.S. BCB, Please, if you truly believe that my defense of the unborn is a Constitutional violation, bring such asinine charges in a public campaign to recall or indict me, OR sue me in federal court. That wont happen as your comments are merely more internet fake news and basement tough guy troll talk. There will be public testimony on the ultrasound and heartbeat bill, I look forward to your public testimony. Please make sure you indicate your nom de guerre on the record.
The country is being poorly served by both the executive and legislative branches in DC. It is clear that there are currently walls/fences in some high population border areas. It’s also pretty clear that extending walls/fences across the entire border would be neither cost effective nor particularly useful. So the discussion should focus on additional areas where fencing may be needed and why it may be needed in those areas. But the discussion should be about more than just a wall/fence. We need comprehensive immigration reform. We need to come up with a solution for the millions of undocumented people already here and the businesses that employ them. And we need an immigration system that serves our national need for more people willing to do jobs Americans don’t want. I hope Dusty Johnson will add constructively to these discussions.
Nelson, your response is as expected. It is the response one would expect from someone who simply has no reasonable retort to the facts I posted exposing your false hate post; and from one who has no excuse for this behavior of attacking the weakest among us with lies in an unconscionable effort to seek personal gain; and from one who has no excuse for the choice to disregard his sworn oath to support the U.S.Consitution, again for personal gain.
There was a time when I thought you were an honest, caring legislator who would advocate to help the weakest among us and support the truth. Your comments and proposed legislation have opened my eyes to the fiction of such a naive rose-colored notion.
Resolutions of the sort Sen. Nelson is offering, being entirely toothless, are nothing more than grandstanding. Someone wants to get his name/face in the press.
Mr. Nelson did not get the message that Mexico is paying for the wall. These guys in Pierre have such an important job of looking at their belly buttons that this kind of stuff is bound to happen. Next, Nelson and the goons will come up with a release Butina resolution. Why don’t you bums make a resolution that requires China to purchase South Dakota soybeans in the numbers of November of 2017?
donald had a cabinet meeting today and if you get a chance, check out real comedy of the absurd. I hope no one in the world is watching us. Thankfully tomorrow, the Democrats will submit the resolution to end this and keep on doing it until it is ended. Should be an interesting time watching us slowly but steadily flush ourselves down the crapper. Got any contingency plans for when that happens Mr. Nelson, who you gonna blame for your failures? To bad we don’t have Democrats in Pierre to counter the absurd we see from these bums, border wall, indeed.
Keeping an eye on future election propagandizing!
@BCB you wish to discuss not the legislation which you have no clue as Mr H has intentionally not posted it as he is unable to refute it. Instead he and you launch into personal attacks only designed to insult.
@Rorschach 🤣 Hilarious! All these bloviating pontifications on legisaltion none of you have read or even seen. Driving the public discussion on major policy issues is part of the job as a legislator. The irony of the lengthy bloviations under comical nom de guerres in which you desperately try to get the occasional happless passer by to read your petulant temper tantrums whie fuming about those of us who do so in the public eye under our own names..
Nelson, can you explain to us hicks the reason Drumpf wants a wall? Drumpf can’t.
@BCB your petulant politics aside, illegal labor hurts the poorest in America as subsidized illegal labor keeps wages depressed and the burden of those here illegally are transferred to permanent taxpayers as well as the costs of identity theft, etc. But, please.. continue railing on about how terrible I am because of a bill you haven’t even read the details of yet.. 🤣
Where do you see illegal labor here in South Dakota Nelson? Name names, come on big fella. There is where the problem’s are.
Mr. Nelson –
1. A wall is an asinine and ineffective idea on its own merits. Total; waste of taxpayer dollars. Maybe you and Trump need it as a “cost” you can point to, to bolster your phony bologna numbers.
2. Illegal employees require illegal EMPLOYERS, Go after them – they are the ones actually committing the crimes against the poorest in America.
BTW – “Illegal employers” includes President Trump. he’s been doing it for decades. Put his criminal ass where it belongs.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/01/02/president-trumps-error-filled-holiday-tweets-border-wall/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.3d3cc18fb736
As for keeping wages depressed, farmers in California substantially raised field workers pay to attract Americans and they still wouldn’t take the jobs. Nelson, you are full of prunes.
In an effort to be pithy, I’ll make 5 points:
1. The $275 billion seems to come
from Trump without much evidence. In fact, if Trump keeps inflating the number, he will be claiming immigration costs $1.4 trillion.
2. The vast majority of the studies admit that they have no idea how many immigrants returned to
Mexico. Some studies indicate that the number is higher than previous studies have indicated. If so, the 11 to 22 million number Nelson cites might be considerably lower.
3. The vast majority of illegal immigration still comes from people who overstay their visas. No wall will prevent that.
4. If the problem is the 11-35 million undocumented workers, no wall will fix that problem, and it’s unlikely that anyone will support deporting them all. (I know that Nelson used 22 million, but Trump threw out the 35 million number earlier today.)
5. If the early weeks of the legislature are a waste of time, shorten the session. Legislators can file bills electronically. Leadership can schedule hearings, set a docket, and the session can actually debate legislation rather than resolutions which have no practical effect.
Instead of sending 5000 military to block the ports with the sole intention of forcing the immigrants to cross illegally, why not send 5000 bureaucrats to process the people.Yes its simple plan and they are to poor to cough up half a million for a green card, but at the same time, there’s nothing republicans like better than cheap labor. Problem solved(except for the dark skin).
Commenters here should replace the denizens in Pierre and then stuff would actually get done AND make sense.
Uh, no. Illegal labor doesn’t keep wages depressed if you actually have a minimum wage that is a living wage, and you actively discourage labor unions and collective bargaining. It only depresses wages when business refuses to pay people a living wage and labor unions are crippled.
Stace,
Let’s assume your wall is built and it is 100% effective. We all know that a majority of illegal immigrants didn’t jump the border because of the absence of a wall. They come over on Visa’s for education or to work in places like Trump’s Mar-A-Lago and just never leave. How do you plan to actually address how the majority of illegals make it to the US? How do you plan on stopping the import of cheap labor to undercut American workers? Also, why did Trump pardon one of the biggest offenders in recent time of hiring illegal laborers in his meat packing plant? Also, are you aware that there are many people in SD that employ illegals/dreamers? Why do you continue to address the symptoms rather than address the cause? It seems to me that Trumpers need a wall because they only understand tangible things. Why don’t we take away their reason for coming here?
Nelson’s new and overused word of 2019 is ‘nom de guerres’.
Nelson, you are a state senator that is sponsoring this legislation, instead of railing against Cory for not posting the bill don’t you feel you should accept some responsibility and post it yourself?
If Trump and Nelson were serious about border security they would simply close the border between our countries.
No one coming in and no one going out of either country.
It would also be cost effective since I doubt it would cost $5 billion to seal the border and Mexico wouldn’t have to pay for a wall.
Will they conduct a poll regarding how many South Dakotans actually support this particular bit of lunacy or will they discount voters like they have been doing for years? I am sick of the theater and the presumptions.
Cory is correct, when Nelson and the goons do this, they show they have nothing to offer to problem solve our economic issues. Failures all.
Cory, thank you for providing the list of SD Luddites supporting the wall. (Surprising how many of those represent the area around the engineering school . . . coincidence?) Apparently those like Nelson, Goodwin, perhaps others with a mediocrum of military service, or the historical inquisitiveness that should reside in a legislator; would know facts about walls.
China’s great wall didn’t keep out the Moguls. Hadrian’s Wall (or the Limes) did not save the Roman Empire. The walls of Belguim’s Fort Eben Emael did not save the Low Countries. The Maginot Line did not save the French. The Berlin Wall & Iron Curtain did not obliterate freedom.
Also, most illegal aliens in the US arrived legally – then overstayed their work visa. Thank US & SD business (aka, the republican base).
Illegal border crossings are at the lowest level in 15+ years. Nelson’s wall is a bug in search of a windshield.
On one hand Nelson’s wall whiners complain that immigrants ‘take American jobs’ – while on the other hand accuse immigrants of being criminals. Both are wrong & insult US workers. Immigrants largely take jobs that US citizens reject. Immigrants have a far lower rate of criminal activity than do citizens.
One would think, (the key assumption), that Nelson’s wall-eyes would think that 2,000 miles of imminent domain takings – busting up ranch, farm, and residential land holdings, would give them pause. Irony reigns.
We know they have little concern for degrading environmental habitats or denying US citizens access to the nation’s 4th longest river – the Rio Grand.
Here’s what is in place already: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/02/05/us/border-wall.html
Nelson’s wall will waste billions. It’s not Mexico’s money. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/06/us/politics/trump-border-wall-report.html
US births in 2017 were are their lowest rate in over 30-years. Immigration is the only way to repair and correct this demographic time bomb so the US, with an aging population, does not become octogenarian Japan. Even China reversed it’s earlier 1-child error as it now encourages folks to make babies.
Life proceeds in 3 ways. Adapt. Migrate. Or die. It appears that Nelson’s wall-eyes chose the latter course. We must reject that.
Nelson and the goons hate farmers, yep they do. They hate them so much that instead of making a resolution to open the government, they kiss trump’s flabby arse with this insult. Here is what they are doing to South Dakota farmers and ranchers. Thanks Nelson for being a toady.
— Agriculture assistance: USDA offices that offer loans to farmers were able to stay open for the first six days of the shutdown by using leftover funding. But offices across the country will now close.
Starting Jan. 1, USDA won’t be able to issue new loans for rural development or grants for housing, community facilities and utility companies. Payments will stop being processed for agricultural research and education projects. Statistics routinely published on commodity and livestock production, as well as economic projections, will cease. And U.S. Forest Service work to prevent wildfires will halt, along with staffing for ranger stations and other facilities at the agency’s public recreation sites.
Farmers affected by retaliatory tariffs will now have to wait until after the shutdown to receive aid if they have yet to apply for that relief.” https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/01/how-the-shutdown-is-reaching-a-breaking-point-1053885
Thank you Cory for letting the idiot have his say. The more Nelson talks, the worse it gets.
Needless to say, the insanity inhabits both sides of the river as shown by his co-sponsors.
But please Donald …… if trmp must come to SD, keep him east river …. we have enough scatterbrained idiots on this side. Maybe the Corn Palace for the king??
Nelson, I owe you, Cory and the readers of this blog an apology. First, I don’t know you personally so I have no idea why you choose to disobey the oath of office and spread false propaganda. It was wrong of me to claim to know your motives for these actions and by doing so I may have made totally incorrect statements, which I now retract.
Likewise, whatever your motives may be, I have no right to criticize you for those motives. You have a right to those motives and I have no right to suggest you ought to think or believe other than you choose to do.
I did not intend to insult you, rather, I reacted emotionally due to my strong feelings about these issues. But I can certainly understand why you would take my comments as an insult and I again apologize for my inappropriate statements about your motives. You and the readers here deserve much better.
I do stand by my comments addressing the falsity of your statement regarding the cost of people without papers, as well as my view about the obligation to support the U.S. Constitution in the oath of office. But that said, my views on these matters provide no excuse for me to suggest I have any idea why you did these things or even what you think. It’s your life, your reasons, and your conscience, not mine so on such matters in the future I will do my best to STFU. Es mi culpa y me disculpo.
Nelson, I am happy to discuss any of the issues I raised with you, and will raise in the future, if you are so inclined (hopefully without any further emotional or improper reaction on my part).
As far as I can, however, you have not offered a factual defense or excuse for the two matters I criticized – the cost of people without papers and the oath of office. I am genuinely interested in considering and exploring any factual basis you can identify for your actions and statements actions if you are so inclined. Otherwise, I have shared the actual facts, not opinions, upon which I premised my conclusion on each matter. You have not contested the facts I identified so I see no reason not to stand by these facts.
Your statement about a correlation between people without papers who are working and depressed wages for other workers appears to have support in past research, particularly when unemployment rates were much higher. As the supply of labor increases, employers will pay qualified employees less, including workers without papers.
That fact, however, does not establish that people without papers were, or are, the cause of a glut of workers any more than people with papers seeking these jobs cause the glut. In other words all workers, unpapered or papered, are paid lower wages when the supply of labor exceeds demand.
On the other hand, with employment at an all time low today, this hardly seems relevant in today’s labor market. And as others pointed out, building a wall to emulate East Berlin or China will do little if anything to address this issue given the research on overstaying visas.
And as a matter of ethics, at least mine, it seems wrong to deny one person an opportunity to earn a living in favor of increasing the earnings of another person. Indeed, isn’t that part of the reason SD is a “right to work” state?
Stace, do you have any actual data on how immigration, legal or illegal has impacted S.D. or do you just jump on the hate bandwagon?
Wall Schmall Robert Mueller has never lost a case.
@Stace. Didn’t Trump promise the American people that Mexico would pay for the wall?
Most people in this country don’t want the wall.
I agree. This is nothing more then a waste of time.
The data Cory posted in an earlier thread indicates a decrease in rural counties, and even in counties having medium sized towns. These places are losing population. No one wants to live there because there are a decreasing number of jobs. The vast expanse of South Dakota, other than Sioux Falls and Rapid City, are on their way to becoming a ghost state.
Immigration could help reverse that, but nincompoops, like Stace, have no vision, other than a weird kind of xenophobia. They support policies in the legislature to keep the existing low-wage jobs as low-wage as possible, hate the rather modest increases in minimum wage and then blame very low levels of immigration to the state as a reason for low wages. Really?
Here’s a solution to low-wages: increase the minimum wage to $15 per hour. That’s all you gotta do. Know effing wall needed. No worthless resolution needed, except a resolution to serve the working people of South Dakota. That’s something you’ll never from the Republican Party. They hate working people. Always have. Always will.
Nelson and these white-wing extremists have vacant souls, devoid of charity. Selfishness is their leader. South Dakota’s near future is in peril.
That wall was so important, Trump campaigned on it, but it took him two years before he started his reality show stunt. Yes, it’s a stunt. And people like Stace Nelson, jump right on board with the stupidity.
If it was such a crisis, why did it take two years? Why is Stace basing his opinion on the wall on……(dare I say it?) fake news? And then, as typical Stace, he just throws word salad out there like it will make us all stand at attention.
Stace, you are aware that the true “bad hombres” that come here (the ACTUAL and REAL rapist, murderers and drug dealers) are doing so via tunnel or air. No wall stops that. And come on, experts (actual experts, not ones that post propaganda) say that a wall does nothing.
Let’s leave the governing to the adults — this is grandstanding, this is meat to a rabid and ill informed base, and this is not how to use our tax dollars. (be it Trump or Nelson) If Mexico is going to pay for it, which was the con man in chief’s promise, then not one penny of our tax dollars should go for this bigoted and racist reality TV stunt.
Wow. The rapid city delegation is well represented I see. Such an outstanding crowd. Same crowd that I’m sure supports mining by a CANADIAN owned company. In the black hills. Whom I’m sure will leave some great damage when they ditch us.
Plenty of time to sit around and discuss important issues… then dream up a joke like this. Wow glad I missed that seance. 😈.
I heard a good one … ‘about time to start building some bridges instead of walls’ I voted for that but the cowboy lost. Dang
I love this state but Pierre can be a strange place this time of year.
And none of the people on the list can tell me to leave if I don’t like what they are doing. My ancestors signed a treaty with the US Government before this state existed. Broken by Congress. A more ripe or rank taking does not exist (so said the supreme court). If he wants to do something good, Nelson should pass a bill supporting giving the tribes the land back stolen after the 1868 treaty. That would include all of western SD. Which would make all those rapid city state legislators illegal aliens on our treaty lands. After all maybe they already are. Personally I think the stupid wall bill from the SD legislature stands for racism and fear of the tribes.
Peace
The smokescreen of Nelson only becomes clear when it is the opposite they are trying to keep. Without the labor of those who will work as undocumented, operations like CAFO’s and what business needs to exploit for profit, they would have to lose money. They come up with these fools errands to have us all chase our tails while they do the bidding of their bosses.
Dana P said, “true “bad hombres” that come here (the ACTUAL and REAL rapist, murderers and drug dealers) are doing so via tunnel or air.”
I realize that you’re talking about the ones that “come here.” However, the greatest number of rapists and murderers are white male citizens. If safety is a reason for a wall, it’s gonna be kind of tough to build one around them. Nelson, are you going to wall yourself and Mango Maniac in as well?
35+ posts of personal attacks and absolute rubbish with not one intelligent comment about the actual bill. Who does that? The Trump Derangement Syndrome is alive and well. Ranting and raving and not one of you have read the actual bill.. If you can’t debate the issues? Make things up and lie, lie, lie.
Here is the rough draft submitted to LRC on SCR4 Most of it is recorded facts from Congressional records. What was not in the bill, but the press release, Rep Stephanie Herseth-Sandlin, Sen Tim Johnson AND John Thune voted for the initial provisions of the security wall in 2006/2007.
A CONCURRENT RESOLUTION, commending and thanking the men and women of the United States Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE); urging Congress and the President to fund construction of the Southern border wall; and, urging Congress and the President to ensure compliance with and enforcement of Federal immigration laws.
WHEREAS, the national security interests of the United States are dependent on the brave men and women who enforce our Nation’s immigration laws; and
WHEREAS, any call to abolish ICE is an insult to the heroic law enforcement officers who make sacrifices every day to secure our borders, enforce our laws and protect our safety and security; and
WHEREAS, the abolishment of the United States Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) would mean open and uncontrolled borders through elimination of the main agency responsible for expelling people who enter or remain in our country unlawfully; and
WHEREAS, the abolishment of ICE would permit dangerous criminal aliens, including violent and ruthless members of the MS–13 gang, to enter and remain in American communities; and
WHEREAS, during fiscal year 2017, ICE Enforcement and Removal Operations (ERO) arrested more than 127,000 aliens with a history of criminal convictions or current charges; and
WHEREAS, ICE ERO made 5,225 administrative arrests of suspected gang members in fiscal year 2017; and
WHEREAS, criminal aliens arrested by ICE ERO in fiscal year 2017 were responsible for more than—
(A) 76,000 dangerous drug offenses;
(B) 48,000 assault offenses;
(C) 11,000 weapon offenses;
(D) 5,000 sexual assault offenses;
(E) 2,000 kidnapping offenses; and
(F) 1,800 homicide offenses.
WHEREAS, ICE Homeland Security Investigations made 4,818 gang-related arrests in fiscal year 2017.
WHEREAS, ICE identified or rescued 904 sexually exploited children and identified or rescued 518 victims of human trafficking; and
WHEREAS, the abolishment of ICE would allow countless illegal aliens who pose a threat to public safety to roam freely on American soil with no fear of deportation; and
WHEREAS, the abolishment of ICE would mean more dangerous illegal drugs would flow into our communities, causing more Americans to suffer needlessly; and
WHEREAS, ICE plays a critical role in combatting the drug crisis facing our Nation; and
WHEREAS, ICE seized more than 980,000 pounds of narcotics in fiscal year 2017, including thousands of pounds of the deadly drugs fueling the opioid crisis; and
WHEREAS, ICE seized 2,370 pounds of fentanyl and 6,967 pounds of heroin in fiscal year 2017; and
WHEREAS, ICE logged nearly 90,000 investigative hours to interrupt the flow of fentanyl in fiscal year 2017; and
WHEREAS, the abolishment of ICE would cause our communities even more devastation from the free flow of these drugs; and
WHEREAS, the abolishment of ICE would eliminate the agency that deports aliens who pose a terrorist threat to the United States.
WHEREAS, ICE was created in 2003 to protect national security and public safety after the revelation of how the 9/11 terrorists exploited immigration laws to gain entry into the United States; and
WHEREAS, ICE is one of the first lines of defense against terrorists gaining access to inflict harm to citizens of the towns and cities in the United States; and
WHEREAS, the abolishment of ICE would weaken United States defenses against terrorism and enable the hundreds of thousands of foreign nationals who illegally overstay a visa each year to remain in the United States indefinitely and with impunity; and
WHEREAS, national security and law enforcement agencies have repeatedly identified the entire United States Border with Mexico as a major national security concern; and
WHEREAS, walls have been historically effective protection for the sovereignty of nations and security of citizens from terrorists and criminals, from the ancient Great Wall of China to the walls erected by the modern nations of Hungary and Israel; and
WHEREAS, a 2018 National Border Patrol Council survey, of more than 600 agents in two of the Border Patrol’s busiest sectors, resulted in 89 percent of line agents affirming a “wall system in strategic locations is necessary to securing the border;” and
WHEREAS, according to estimates, eleven to twenty two million illegal aliens are present in the United States in violation of Federal immigration laws; and
WHEREAS, in August 2018, the Bureau of Labor Statistics’ employment situation report listed between 6.2 and 7.4 Million Americans who are unemployed, and 4.4 million Americans who are either employed part-time for economic reasons or who are involuntarily part-time workers; and
WHEREAS, in 1995 the United States Government Accountability Office estimated the 3.4 million illegal aliens in the the USA at that time, were a net cost of up to $19 Billion. Current estimates are the 11-22 million illegal aliens in the USA are a net cost of $175-$275 Billion a year; and
WHEREAS, illegal labor takes jobs away from American workers, lowers American wages, transfers the costs of subsidizing illegal labor to South Dakotans, and has a negative effect on America’s poorest; and
WHEREAS, the United States of America takes in more legal immigrants than any nation in the world. Those legal immigrants have overwhelmingly proven to be assets to the communities they settle in, and South Dakotans welcome all races, religions, and creeds to our beloved state who immigrate legally to South Dakota to mix with and to add to our great American melting pot; and
WHEREAS, existing Federal immigration laws ardently and equally enforced honor the rich tradition of immigration and the rule of law upon which the American Republic was founded; and
WHEREAS, it is the duty and responsibility of the Federal government to protect national borders and secure the sovereignty of the United States of America as well as to enforce immigration and employment laws for the protection of American citizens; and
WHEREAS, the enforcement of existing Federal immigration laws, especially those regarding national security, immigration and employment are necessary for the preservation of the sovereignty of this nation and the well-being of the American people:
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, by the Senate of the Ninety-Fourth Legislature of the State of South Dakota, the House concurring therein, that the South Dakota Legislature commends and thanks the brave men and women of the United States Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) and encourages them to continue their diligent and steadfast service to the citizens of our nation; and
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that the South Dakota Legislature urges Congress and the President of the United States to immediately provide for the security of our nation by controlling and securing our national borders with appropriate legislation to fund the construction of the Southern border wall and then immediately commence construction of the Southern Border Wall; and
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that the South Dakota Legislature urges Congress and the President of the United States to immediately provide for the security of our nation through the ardent and equal enforcement of our existing Federal immigration laws.
Wow.. not seeing racism, shilling for CAFOs, and every other idiotic comment above, in the bill..
Congratulations, you folks are no different then your counterparts at the Dakota War toilet..
Pischke supporting this, is he way out their like powers .And stace supporting this now I have seen everything.
No facts support your assertions, Senator Nelson. Dismissed.
Wow, that resolution could constitute some impressive research and writing by Nelson, although it seems suspiciously full of propaganda in the form of disputed claims, as evidenced by Nelson’s earlier “COST” claim that FactCheck debunked – referenced in my earlier comment at 14:03.
Add it seems odd that Nelson asserts his resolution is based “recorded facts from Congressional records.” Although most of the language in the resolution appears to have been placed in the Congressional record as a resolution, the claim that it contains “recorded facts” seems a bit misleading.
https://www.fleoa.org/news-story.aspx?id=6781
All Nelson had to do to honestly source his resolution was to tell us that he or his cohorts simply copied the thing from H.RES. 990. To suggest it is based on “recorded facts” found in by Congress appears to be a fiction that is unsupported by the Congressional record.
I could be wrong, however, so perhaps Nelson can direct us to some other actual factfinding endeavor by Congress that I have overlooked? Maybe Ted Cruz could help Nelson as some sources report that he may have had some involvement with yet another similar resolution in the Senate back in July.
https://www.hstoday.us/federal-pages/dhs/ice/senate-resolution-denounces-calls-to-abolish-ice-as-insult-to-heroic-law-enforcement-officers/
And here I thought trump Derangement Syndrome referred to those who thought, like Mango Maniac, if they say it is so, it is so. Nelson may want to schedule a mental health check up, asking the psychiatrist to be especially vigilant for trump Derangement Syndrome, as it seems to have reached epidemic proportions among the SDGOP.
Good luck Senator. My thoughts and prayers are with you.
Laughing Out Loud, Bear. You bust Senator Nelson for plagerism. A bit unbecoming of an elected official, South Dakota. Perhaps a “Sanction Burger” for the Big Fella would be in order? Hmmmmmmm ?
Stace is too dumb to write a resolution expressing support of South Dakota legislators for the wall. He has to copy and paste rom his DC minders.
Sen. Nelson lies and calls it a “bill.” It’s not a bill. A bill has the force of law. This is a resolution, which only has the force of grandstanding – which is why Nelson put out a press release before his toothless resolution was released.
And Voila! There in the Argus appears Sen. Nelson (whose profile image is reminiscent of that of Kim Jong Il). The grandstander rewarded.
Debbo – Thanks for your comment. I should have made a better clarification. In trying to quote the con man in chief in reference to his DAILY lies and diatribes, I probably didn’t say it correctly.
Yeah, any actual bad guys that “come here” from out of the country and are committing crimes are a small percentage, very small, compared to the actual “bad hombres” that are white (mostly male) full blooded American citizens that are responsible for most criminal behavior in this country.
With all the WHEREAS this and WHEREAS that —— there is nothing that addresses or attempts to prevent daily gun violence, violent assaults, domestic violence, etc that are committed by American citizens. Zero, zilch, nada.
Mr Nelson using alternative fact based outlets for his …..uh hem….legislation… is not only reckless and irresponsible, it is downright scary. But not surprising. This is modus operandi for Stace. He does it on guns and he does it on abortion. Not quite yelling fire in a crowded theatre, but it sure does tap dance on that line.
To me, this only demonstrated that the President’s position on the wall is political theatre with the SOLE intention of energizing the base. This is the president in campaign mode — not governance mode. Senator Nelson et al are showing this energization by holding a rally on the SD legislative floor.
Drumpf has his best interests at heart. https://www.rawstory.com/2019/01/trump-uses-federal-funds-bypasses-shutdown-open-federal-property-connected-hotel/
Plus the federal debt is now 2 trillion more than when Drumpf claimed he would eliminate it in 8 years.
We will need millions of immigrants paying taxes to make a fent in Drumpf’s debt before he is perp walked off into the sunset.
Sen. Nelson’s resolution (while based on alternative facts) is also detrimental. The last thing SD needs is to be pushed farther to the edge of the map, nationally. New business seeks moderate environments not white-wing extremism. Nelson and his “protection posse” are like the loud mouth in school who could never seem to get a date.
Stace’s Immature attempt to blame Cory for intentional hiding the ball is confusing since LRC had not posted the text. In the middle of the night Stace posts the text after receiving 55 comments.
This Thin skin bully remind of any other elected official with a big mouth?
Who wrote the flowery text, how did you get it, did Jason have anything to do with it, won’t trump just use it to game his political promise to build a stupid wall (breitbart 7.18), Stace? 4 questions.
Brave, heroic, sovereign, child-kidnapping, hostage taking Republicans. (Shivers patriotic😀)
Nelson, show us the proof of undocumented workers in South Dakota. Nelson, show us the proof of how undocumented workers are stealing South Dakotan’s jobs and putting them in the street (right beside Nursing home folks that you and your’s have kicked out of their homes).
Nelson and the goons smoke screen is to take the stench off the facts that they are doing nothing for our elderly and disabled that are housed in nursing homes across the state, that are closing their doors for lack of Medicaid funds. Instead of legislating for the people, they are mouthing distractions for their owners. South Dakota failed state policies, all for the rich and nothing for the elderly and disabled.
@Leslie Not that your disrespectful rant deserves a response. The full text of the bill draft was included in the press release Mr H received.
@Jerry Thank you. You and the rest of the nasty attack trolls on here do more to convince people away from your Leftist beliefs than any political ads could. There is no such thing as “undocumented worker” so it is impossible to show you anything, illegal aliens; however, there is ample documented SD Legisaltive records and public acknowledgment that there are illegal aliens in SD. From bills to give illegal alien expectant mothers prenatal care, to acknowledgments by the Democratic Party celebrating 250 illegal aliens attending SD state colleges.
@Porter You would clearly know a lot about that loud mouth who couldnt get a date. He shares your mirror space with no one else in his house in Colorado..
For such an alleged nothing burger piece of legislation, it sure has accomplished driving the conversation.. 😉
Enjoy, I’m off to finalize other pieces of legisaltion that I am sure you will enjoy even more..
Stace,
If you could answer any of my questions, that would be great. I agree with you on many positions but this is not one. I am just trying to figure out why we don’t use legislation to stop the influx and stop a majority of illegals instead of wasting our time on the small amount actually jumping the border. Why don’t we go after employers and why do so many Republican supporters employ them?
Good luck, Sen. Nelson. As Cory often points out, you have a lot of misdirected potential. 🤓
Nelson, then it is incumbent upon you and your goons to remove the undocumented workers, including the white ones, instead of blathering about a wall. If you know who they are and where they are then why not? As you and your goons do that, please name the employers and fine them for their illegal activities. Don’t be such a troll.
Gee Stace, what about your man Trump saying Mexico was going to pay for the wall? Seems like your wasting a lot time.
@Daniel You assume I have not tried. I brought legisaltion plagiarized from portions of AZ’s laws that SCOTUS upheld, repeatedly. https://sdlegislature.gov/Legislative_Session/Bills/Bill.aspx?Bill=1238&Session=2012
Unfortunately there are “Republicans” that embrace the exploitation of illegals and the cheap subsidized labor they represent.
It is NOT a small amount coming across the Southern border.
@Jerry You wonder why no other legisaltors give blogs like this any significant amount of interaction? When people like you act like a massive jackwagon hiding who you are, and acting like a troll, why should they come on here and put up with your ignorant comments. My efforts protecting this nation are a matter of public record. Happy to compare my efforts with yours anyday. The only “goon” here is you and those like you acting like feces throwing simians in the zoo..
Any of you desiring actual civil discussion, my telephone number is 605-770-7461 and my email is Stace.Nelson@SDLegislature.gov I have other pieces of legisaltion I am still working on.
MD Rep Ami Bera one of 34 dem votes for this h. Res. 990 says it was reluctant for a gimmick political ploy. Co-sponsers are Goemert and notable other wing nut radical republicans.
Stace,
I have never understood why no one is willing to address the reason they come here. Building a wall is like trying to reduce the symptoms of an ailment while not trying to cure the infection causing the symptoms. And sorry, those jumping the border may not be a small number, but it is a small number in regards to the total number of illegals who arrive each year to the US. So, assuming your border wall is 100% effective, you are still going to allow a majority of illegal immigrants to make it to the US. People like Trump import thousands of immigrants on H1B visas to work at his properties. When their Visas expire, there is no real enforcement on insuring they return home nor do these employers have any obligation to see that they do. We see it all over the US so it makes me wonder why so many who utilize cheap labor support a wall unless they are trying to distract from themselves. Why doesn’t Trump hire Americans and pay a livable wage?
Rant?
H.Res. 990 you are trying to get SD Leg. to adopt as “fact” is a flowery rant.
Facts under the issue of the day shutting down the government are:
kidnapping/child abuse/hostage taking/assault by federal officers/privatization/deaths
… all for political protection of a Republican bully president circling the black hole of impeachment. No wall will protect the fool’s errand you serve.
Still blaming Cory? 🌸
Nelson, why don’t you address the lawbreaking employers of South Dakota? You know where the undocumented workers are, so why don’t you put a resolution out to punish them for lawbreaking?? The only reason you coddle them is because they are your supporters.
Oh, and why can you not address the nursing home crisis we have in our state instead of being such a troll for the elite?
He is highly successful at getting attention. Another symptom of the GOP’s trump Derangement Syndrome.
Walls and fences don’t work, just ask Trump.
Trump has walls and fences around Mara-a-Lago and many of his other golf properties and yet illegal immigrants get through those walls to work for low wages.
The federal government recently discovered that Trump was also providing counterfeit green cards for some of those illegal immigrants.
HR1-now THAT looks like a great big fat W22 ethics bill. leslie
Why do Trump and Nelson love walls?
Because walls represent horizontal, rifle barrels for small handed, poorly endowed males. – Trae Crowder 😂
I’d rather see Stace introduce a resolution encouraging the United States Senate to support the House bill to protect Robert Mueller and his investigation into Trump.
It would a lot more sense
I’d like to see Mr. Nelson introduce a resolution each day supporting a different flavor of sprinkle donut each day. It would be right up there with his best contributions to the process.
Trump’s wall idea is stupid. Nelson’s “legislation” is embarrassing.
debbo said “However, the greatest number of rapists and murderers are white male citizens. If safety is a reason for a wall, it’s gonna be kind of tough to build one around them.”
We do build walls around rapist and murderers of all races and genders. The walls, when combined with a roof, become a prison. When a person is found guilty of a violent crime like rape or murder, they should be sent to prison, regardless of race or gender, right? You aren’t suggesting we imprison people for the color of their skin or their gender despite not being criminals, are you? That would be nuts, dude.
You’re entirely missing the point Ryan. If a reason for the wall is to keep US citizens safe from murderers and rapists, they’re focusing on the wrong people. Hence, that reason/excuse is bogus.
It’s not about your gender issues.
debbo, you introduced gender into this, not me. Like usual.
I agree that a wall on our border will not protect the people of this country one bit. However, you are missing the point that we do indeed protect ourselves from actual rapists and murderers by building walls between us and them.
You try to engage in scare tactics identical to what you appear to be condemning. Immigrants are not the problem. White men are not the problem. Violent immigrants who take advantage of our country ARE a problem. White men who rape or kill ARE a problem. Anybody who rapes or kills is a problem. You stereotype while decrying stereotypes. Like usual.
Nope, not going down the rabbit hole of your gender issues with you. I told you my point and it wasn’t gender, it was what is true and what is baseless fear mongering. Have a good time obsessing over gender.
You told me that your point wasn’t gender, but the actual words of your comment prove otherwise. Say one thing, then say you didn’t say it, eh? Classic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTrO9R9-c5c
For more on the wall derangement syndrome: listen to the orange prince beginning at 4:22.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/don-lemon-trump-wall_us_5c3047ffe4b073352832eb8a
It’s past the time to invoke the 25th Amendment so we can move on.
Pay no attention to this band of haters. They’re a small group of people being very, very loud. We are a huge group of people who love democracy and tolerance. Even though your ranks in SD are small know that you are part of the majority of Americans who think just like you do. Persevere to resist. Never Give Up – The right side of history will reward your future families and pride will be bestowed on your memory.
Lettuce killed more Americans last year than did illegal immigrants.
Yet the russian-sympathizing fear mongers & bullies shut down food inspections.
More folks on the watch list were apprehended on the US unfenced northern border than on the heavily fenced and monitored southern border.
Drumpf is on video from 2004 claiming walls do not work!
https://www.vox.com/2019/1/10/18177126/2004-trump-speech-wall
Oops, he did it again.
I am surprised, saddened and extremely unhappy with Tom Brokaw’s immigrant comments this weekend. Even he has bought into they all become Democrats fallacy.
Remember when we were kids and scared of the “dark” and the bogeyman? We grew up.
The border looks a lot like the “dark” and people seeking safety, freedom and economic securtiy are now the new bogeymen. Hopefully we can grow up again.
bcb, trump/Putin and the republicans cost taxpayers 18 billion with their shutdown. https://www.cbo.gov/publication/54937
The great news is that there gonna want to do it again because it was so successful, kind of like Nelson on steroids. Same game plan, cost taxpayers money while not accomplishing anything but grief.
My bogeymen were killer shrews from the movie of the same name.
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/killer_shrews/
There were plenty of lawmen involved in the film including Sheriff Roscoe P Coltrane from Dukes of Hazard and deputy Festus from Gunsmoke. I was 6 when ther movie hit the theaters and in my teens before I could go to the biffy at night without running across the kitchen and into the bathroom before them shrews could escape the basement and get me. Someone in our household always left that dang door open.
The shrews were huge because they used German Shepherds and just showed closeups of their jaws and humongous (fake) fangs.
jerry, the failure to get over childish paranoia seems an expensive waste of tax dollars, not to mention hurting people that we don’t fear, such as federal employees, all in an effort to pretend we are hiding from the “bogeymen.”
Remember how as kids a simple blanket draped over the bedside or a night light scared off the bogeyman? Who knew a bogeyman could be subdued so easily. Ah, for the good old days. Now our blanket or night light is an expensive border wall designed to make us feel better by trying to stop people seeking safety, freedom and economic security, a/k/a those evil new bogeymen.
mfi, that sounds like an awesome movie! My biggest recollection of a similar scare as a tyke was from “War of the Worlds.” My aunt and her boyfriend took me to the drive inn to see it. After the 1st Mars attack I remember covering my head hiding on the floor of the back seat of the car for most of the rest of the movie.
Oh, and mfi, I am sure my behavior saved me, my aunt, her boyfirend, and perhaps the whole world from those nasty Martians, just like the wall will do.
Alfred Hitchcock freaked me out regularly as a kid watching his show on telly. Never as bad as bad B grade Saturday matinees.
I have only watched War of the Worlds once. Maybe that was enough.
Thanks for the memories, bcb.
Alligators!!!! Alligators will come up out of the basement (We had a house with a dirt basement till I was 8.) or chomp on your butt when you sit on the toilet. (When we moved from the dirt basement house we had a concrete block basement and a bathroom with a real, flush toilet! So the alligators switched to attacking from there.)
Alligators and crocodiles still scare the crapola😉 out of me! I’d rather be surrounded by 1000 immigrants seeking asylum than be within 50 feet of 1 average size alligator.
Bad news< Debbo. I recently checked my cistern and it is chock full of renegade, runaway gators from North Carolina seeking relief from frozen temps. My cistern is located right outside my bathroom and you know what that means for you, don't you?
I told them the temp for Tuesday night will be 63 degrees below freezing, not that any of them is competent in math or science. To my knowledge the cistern has never had ice on top of the water, but sometimes there is quite a bit of frost inside.
🙈🙈🙈🙈🙈🏃♀️🏃♀️🏃♀️🏃♀️🏃♀️
Gators 🐊, Debbo? As a kid in the 60’s I’d go to Florida to be with Dad for the summer. We had ‘em in our yard all the time. Pretty peaceful creatures, actually. The water moccasins, not so much. One of the few animals that will attack without provocation. Them and Southern red necks. Those were the days of full segregation. I saw things no other kids my age in S.D. had even heard about. e.g. cross burning and whites only everything.
Well, you can keep them Porter. The alligators, water moccasins and rednecks, all of them!
Brrrrr. Never mind.
mfi, I checked out Killer Shrews tonight. They would have scared any youngster. Can’t say the same for the bogeymen Trump keeps trumpeting.
You are 100% correct. Nothing compares to Drumpf’s bogeymen. No amount of special effects makeup could make them snuggly, either.
Looks like Demented Deranged Dunderhead needs to build a wall to keep China out.
There are actual Chinese businesses that fly pregnant women to the US so their babies can be born here. The entrepreneurs have made $millions at this. Hmmm. Where will this wall go, since they fly here?
https://goo.gl/FmJFp6