John Tsitrian explains the moral crisis that the lying man in the White House has created for our good Christian Senators by excusing the Saudi Arabian crown prince’s murder of journalist Jamal Khashoggi:
This is a conundrum that South Dakota’s two U.S. Senators can’t be taking lightly. As of July, 2017, both were listed as sponsors of a Christian organization called Capitol Ministries that accepts the notion of an institutional separation between church and state but strongly supports with biblical reference the idea of an influential relationship, meaning that government officials must apply their Christian values to their secular decisions. The head of the organization, Ralph Drollinger, has said that “God only hears the prayers of righteous Christians.” That being the case, how can our two senators, presumably striving to maintain their standings as “righteous Christians” who can influence our government to behave according to their religious principles do anything but reject the notion of doing business as usual with the Saudi rulers who the CIA believes are responsible for murder? [John Tsitrian, “The Khashoggi Killing Is Creating a Moral Crisis. How Are South Dakota Senators Rounds and Thune Dealing with It?” The Constant Commoner, 2018.11.20]
When word came out of the CIA’s determination that the Saudi crown prince really did order the murder of Khashoggi, Senator Mike Rounds was in no hurry to get in front of the calls for moral action:
“I think we’re going to have to make a response, and I think clearly the administration — the CIA is part of the administration — is publicly saying exactly what they found out.”
…Rounds steered clear of confirming the reports, but said the entire situation is “unfortunate.”
“This is unfortunate because Saudi Arabia has been an ally, they’ve been our ally in our fight against terrorism; we want that to continue on.”
Rounds said what exactly the consequence will be remains unclear.
“There is a penalty to be paid, what the expectation of that penalty is, I don’t have the answer to.”
The senator noted it could be further sanctions.
“I am quite certain that the administration will make proposals and then it will be up to Congress to decide whether or not those proposals are appropriate,” Rounds explained [Maham Abedi, “‘There Is a Penalty to Be Paid.’ U.S. Senator Says on Khashoggi Killing—But It’s Unclear What It Will Be,” Global News, 2018.11.28].
Senator John Thune provided no more moral clarity last month about the murder and the United States’ relationship with an ally led by a murderer:
“We’ve got some people who are pretty animated by all of this. And some probably less so. We’ve got extremes,” said Sen. John Thune of South Dakota, the No. 3 Senate Republican, who said he was waiting for more information before taking a firm position on arms sales.
“It’s important to have allies in that part of the world,” Thune added. “But I do think there are lines that get crossed from time to time that require a response” [Elena Schor and Burgess Everett, “Bipartisan Hill Anger with Saudis Flares After Khashoggi,” Politico, 2018.10.12].
I suppose we can’t expect much moral clarity on this issue from South Dakota Republicans whose party is led by a former Saudi agent. When Rodney Berget killed a man, we didn’t call the man he murdered a possible terrorist and sell him an AK-47; we killed him. Yet when the Saudi crown prince orders a journalist murdered, Donald Trump repeats the Saudis’ accusation that Khashoggi “was an ‘enemy of the state’ and a member of the Muslim Brotherhood” and promised to sell them weapons of war (and lied about the size of that deal to boot).
Donald Trump appears to be projecting his belief that he can kill a man in broad daylight and face no consequences to all of his fellow despots. The supposed paragons of virtue we have elected to represent us in Washington somehow can’t muster the clarity or courage to condemn their leader’s immorality.
Related: I can’t find any public comment from outgoing Congresswoman Kristi Noem on Khashoggi’s murder and the proper moral response to the Saudi despot’s responsibility therefor. Rep.-Elect Dusty Johnson was quick to condemn the far lesser and dubious accusations against Russian gun activist Maria Butina this summer; perhaps we can count on Johnson to be our moral voice in Washington?
I often disagree with Ron Paul and Lindsay Graham, but at least on this issue they are breaking ranks with the president and leading the US Senate in taking a stand against the Saudi regime and its rogue prince.
It’s almost as if the senate is some kind of governmental body that is independent of the President, that has its own separate powers…
Weird. Listening to Senator Rounds, I thought their job was to await orders from the President. I’m so confused.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t the Saudi royal family members of the worst Muslim sect and are state sponsors of terrorism all over the world?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/03/29/what-is-wahhabism-the-reactionary-branch-of-islam-said-to-be-the/
What is Wahhabism? The reactionary branch of Islam from Saudi Arabia said to be ‘the main source of global terrorism’
They seemed nice.
See… Karma will take care of Republicans how they treat people & killed THE JOURNALIST? important ally? Money is MORE IMPORTANT THAN BLOOD! SAD😈😈😈
We pay Israel to be nice to the Saudis, we pay the Saudis to be a check on Iran and now we are paying them to do a proxy war on Qatar. Not to mention all the money they loan the Trump family.
Moral high ground??? Not US leadership.
Yeah, Sen. Rounds, it certainly was “unfortunate.” I would think a stronger word might be appropriate for someone who, like Ed Gein and Jeffery Dahmer, fillets the victim after a cruel death. I would think a jury would be inclined to give someone like that the death penalty.
“There is a penalty to be paid…” is pretty weak sauce. Unlike Rounds, I can think of a just penalty. I’m inclined to apply Sharia Law to what the Crown Prince did, but I would think complete and total loss of all military and economic aid should be on the docket until the Crown Prince is removed from power.
All these rough, tough Republicans turn into cowards when money is involved. Given the season, Rounds might want to be less like Judas.
Now that Thune has been elevated to the #2 position in the Senate, can we expect him to be more of a leader on such issues or just take a different “position” in the photo ops? He will get to stand beside Mitch instead of behind him. Still won’t be allowed to speak, but it is a promotion… I guess.
Follow the money. “Why is Trump in panic? Because the third leg in the relationship between Mohammed bin Salman and the UAE’s Mohammed bin Zayed is his son-in-law Jared Kushner. It was this trio behind the secret negotiations for Jerusalem. It was this trio that tried to wipe out Turkey from the whole region. It is this trio that is still carrying out all the covert operations targeting Turkey, and trying to activate certain groups inside the country. It is this trio that doomed Saudi Arabia to Israel. It is this trio that made secret negotiations regarding Mecca and Medina.
The Khashoggi murder turned into an internal issue in even the U.S.
Trump’s opponents sensed Trump’s son-in-law’s role in the incident and are attacking with all their might.”
The winner will be Turkey that will bring it back to the head of the Islamic World as it was in the past. This will change the entire seats of power in the mid east and make Saudi Arabia just another S#i+ hole country with sand and strife.
Our own number 2 is well and clear on this and so are the rest of the accomplices. trump screwed up and we are all gonna have to pay for him and his followers ignorance. Watch Turkey keep turning the screws even after we all hear the blood curdling tapes. Watch trump, Number 2 and Rounds support the sending of Gulen back to his death in Turkey. A nationalized American citizen living in the United States just like the murdered journalist, Khashoggi. America, has lost her moral compass in the world with our support of a cold blooded murder caught in the act. Number 2 is really a number 2 with Rounds a mirror.
Murderous Maniac in the WH does love his murdering pals. MBS has Kashoggi murdered. Pootie has a man poisoned in Britain. Duterte’s police slaughter citizens accused of drug use or dealing. MM wanted US soldiers to shoot down refugees for throwing rocks. He loves and admires despots. He’s one sick SOB, along with his heroes.
Kashoggi was once in the Saudi Secret service as a spy. He left the Saudis and joined the Muslim Brotherhood and worked to overturn his own country’s government. He was a traitor to his home country. They killed him. I understand as all traitors should be killed. I would kill a traitor to our country as well.
Like many Saudis in the 1980s, Mr. Khashoggi cheered for the jihad against the Soviets in Afghanistan, which was supported by the C.I.A. and Saudi Arabia. So when he got an invitation to see it for himself from another young Saudi, Bin Laden, Mr. Khashoggi jumped at the chance.
In Afghanistan, Mr. Khashoggi wore local dress and had his photo taken holding an assault rifle, much to his editors’ chagrin. But it does not appear that he actually fought while on assignment there.
“He was there as a journalist first and foremost, admittedly as someone sympathetic to the Afghan jihad, but so were most Arab journalists at the time — and many Western journalists,” said Thomas Hegghammer, a Norwegian researcher who interviewed Mr. Khashoggi about his time in Afghanistan.
If he was Muslim Brotherhood it had to be by the skin of his teeth. Don’t automaticallyn believe everything dead Breitbart, Washington Times and Faske noize order you to believe, OldSolenoid.
Wrote this a couple days ago for another blog with saltier langwidge Blogger mike from iowa said…
Dumbf### Drumpf### has a sad
His own CIA treats him so bad
They claim Kashoggi murdered and since
attached the blame to Drumpf’s buddy Saudi Prince
Of course to Drumpf this is all fake news
from fake media run by fake media Jews
who love to reprint what Drumpf### teases
Kashoggi was cut into handy carrying pieces.
I bet I can tell you what Saudis will feed Drumpf at next Arab state dinner.
OldSarg writes that “I would kill a traitor to our country.”
That comment is quite extreme. When someone publicly threatens to murder anyone that they think is a traitor, something is wrong. This type of comment raises a red flag. The man who recently opened fire in the Jewish synagogue murdering several innocent people believed he was killing bad people who threatened his country by bringing in “hostile invaders.”
I truly hope and encourage anyone who knows OldSarg, or can identify him, gets him some help before he tries to act on his dangerous and threatening statement.
Many type in hypothetical tense around this blog, as I’m sure Mr. OldSarg was doing as well. Many others threaten to bash in heads or commit other acts of violence and they go unscolded, simply ignored as insaner than most and being from out-of-state. I’m sure in this week of feasting and much full belly stress to come we can find it in our hearts to be kind to one another.
Russian troll, look in mirror “I would kill a traitor to our country.”
Jerry– and look in the White House.
Mike, outstanding poetry. You should win a Pulitzer for that, or the Presidential Medal of Freedom. Not Freedumb. Save the latter for the Trumpelstilskins.
Nope, not hypothetical grudznick. If the person was a traitor to our Nation each of us should be willing to cock the pistol, hold it to the traitors head and pull the trigger if asked. I’m a classical liberal. I understand freedom and the value it provides each of us. I have traveled to world and seen the life we have here in comparison to any other country in this world and the freedoms each of us enjoy that no other country on earth has the opportunity to enjoy. Those freedoms have a value most will never understand. Those of us, that serve or have served, take an oath. Even your elected Senate officials take the oath “I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God.” It is the obligation of all US citizens to support and defend the Constitution. This oath is very much like all members of the military take and citizens that do not serve should understand the severity of the obligation each person takes that is elected to serve you. I would say the person who is not willing to do the tasks necessary to protect each of us does not deserve the position and is a coward thus should not be in office. I’m not threatening anyone. It is a sad state we all live in when someone that takes an oath to defend each of you is threatened by those who enjoy the freedoms. Don’t read this in the extreme. I do not carry a weapon daily, as I don’t see the need, but if asked I would do what my Nation asked of me to include the elimination of a traitor.
mike~Debbo is hot for you.
OS, weren’t you going to show someone your discharge papers to prove you’re an actual vet, unlike Cadet Bone Spurs?
Saudi Arabia is also where 15 of th 19 9/11/2001 hijackers came from. Still no travel ban.
I like that Donald Pay notices the weakness of Rounds’s language—passive voice in action again!
Debbo, nope. You want to see it then get with mike and make it a “thing”.
[What an utterly childish, mean, and unproductive comment. You’re a jerk, OS. —CAH]
Ms. Debbo, active Russian trolls do not have a DD214. This troll is still on the paytroll for Putin. “Russian trolls and others aligned with the Kremlin are injecting disinformation into streams of online content flowing to American military personnel and veterans on Twitter and Facebook, according to an Oxford University study released Monday.
The researchers found fake or slanted news from Russian-controlled accounts are mixing with a wide range of legitimate content consumed by veterans and active-duty personnel in their Facebook and Twitter news feeds. These groups were found to be reading and sharing articles on conservative political thought, articles on right-wing politics in Europe and writing touting various conspiracy theories.”
That is how he gets his paytroll check every Friday, this one included.
Mr. H must be both afraid and honored to have a blog with such important out-of-staters that he is the subject of these bridge trolls from Russian. I think of those little ones with colored hair and big ears, but Mr. OldSarg does not color his hair.
OS, Mike and I are “a thing” and I do have a crush on him. I am glad that we are good friends.
Maybe someday you’ll have good friends too, other than your very good friend Grudz, who knows all your hair care secrets. I guess you two are pretty close too. How nice for you.
grudznick does have deep affection for Mr. OldSarg. Deep, manly affection. Not that there’s anything wrong with those fellows who want to kiss Mr. OldSarg or slap him on the rear, but that’s not me. Just deep, manly affection, in a manly sort of way.
I’ve got my granny turtles.
The plot thickens. 2 years ao Kashoggi was banned from Saudi Arabia for, get this, criticizing then candidate trump. Yeah. Read it for yourself.
https://goo.gl/KAAJc3
All I see here is OS’s self-stroking about shooting a traitor and his repetition of the Saudi government’s slander against him. Never mind due process. Go ahead and defend luring an innocent man into a government building, torturing and killing him without trial, and then lying about it to the world.
If I were President, and if I caught a traitor, I’d have him arrested, I’d lay the charges out in public, I’d let the justice system carry out a fair trial, and I’d see if a jury agreed that the evidence was strong enough to convict. Then, if the traitor were found guilty, I would hope the judge would mete out an appropriate punishment that would serve the interests of justice and public safety.
That’s how civilized nations behave. Trump instead endorses brutality and lies. We should all be ashamed that the occupant of the White House would undermine America’s international reputation in this way.
In that same vein:
Trumpism preaches the overturning of all decent American norms and replacing them with thuggery and selfishness.
OldSarg outs himself as a classic outlaw, not a “classical liberal.” It’s a profound flaw in his character, if not his mental state that he rambles on in his effort to excuse his stated opinion excusing his delusions of murder. It’s really sad. I am thankful, this Thanksgiving Day, that we have a system of government that can check leaders whose lack of character and understanding of basic American principles is as flawed as OldSarg’s. I’ve state before that the real people to fear are not the misguided few in the White House, but the misguided many who excuse murder for political purposes. The real enemy of our country are people like OldSarg.
Because I’ve just skimmed the comments, I wanted to share something I learned just today. You guys may have known this all along but Khashoggi wasn’t killed because he spoke against the Saudi govt. He was killed because he spoke against Trump and was banned because of it. This article, written in Dec. 2016 was eye opening. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/saudi-arabia-donald-trump-journalist-banned-for-criticising-us-president-elect-a7456956.html
Have we been so focused on trump’s Russian money that we didn’t see the forrest for the trees with regard to Saudi money? Joy Reid on @Maddow last night touched on it. I hope I live long enough to see all the exposed dirty money this man received. But more than that, I hope he pays a price for it.
Excellent find and post, Kristi. Then there’s this, I just found-
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/11/22/cia-has-recording-bin-salman-giving-instructions-silence-jamal/
bin Salman giving instructions to silence Kashoggi. CIA has the recording. Drumpf, no doubt, doesn’t believe it.
Just locker room talk, I’m sure.
http://juanitajean.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/Screen-Shot-2018-11-21-at-10.21.40-AM.png
Minnesota’s newest congresswoman and Muslim has something to say about Drumpf and Saudis.
Quiz later.
I sure hope you all are correct that OldSarg is simply bloviating again. These days posts on the internet claiming killing others is acceptable, should give all of us great pause. Psychopaths who think they can decide themselves who deserves to be murdered, and have acted accordingly often have posted similar public statements online.
For example, the Parkland shooter,
A study of Cruz and other mass killers indicates that they can come from anywhere and often freely interact with others about their hatreds or fears that they think justify killing others. Law enforcement encourages public awareness and diligence as a means of stopping and helping a potential killer from acting on irrational attitudes.
https://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/broward/parkland/florida-school-shooting/fl-florida-school-shooting-active-shooter-social-media-20180626-story.html
The Russian troll is too busy collecting his paytroll with his troll talk. The last thing he wants to do is get off the subsidy gravy train that working for Putin provides. Check is in the mail every Thursday with delivery on Friday thanks to the United States Postal System. He would be waiting for a month in Mother Russia for his weekly paytroll check.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/22/trump-salman-khashoggi-murder-1012552
Drumpf denies CIA implicated Saudi Prince in Kashoggi’s death. Someone- like maybe the UNited States, clearly needs an intervention in the kremlin annex. This bogus potus is certifiable.
Look, not that I’m bragging, but, okay, I’m bragging. I’m posted a link to the 2016 story about Kashoggi criticizing the Psychotic Criminal in the WH first. Here it is again!
https://goo.gl/KAAJc3
Damn people! Read the links! It’s about money laundering between our pres and MBS and keeping Kashoggi quiet. trump will never ever criticize MBS. The question is, in addition to Pootie and MBS, who else owns a piece of the Crook-in-Chief?
Marlboro Barbie is his own man until he isn’t. I hope this is a politician’s kiss of death- https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/21/john-thune-congress-senate-republicans-profile-1004725
It will kill MB to learn Drumpf was a better bb player. Just ask Drumpf.
You sure did, Debbo and the flock didn’t all get the message from you.
Not a fan of Trumps lying but if we were at all honest we would admit that he is stating the policy of the US government since at least Reagan. Our foreign policy has been based on self-interest for decades. Not moral or democratic grounds.
MBS is not the head of the snake though, he is a partner. The United States, Israel, and the dudes that held that globe with trump are all in on the fix. Here is what others say: BTW, good link Ms. Debbo.
“The Saudi Arabian Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman is the boss behind this, that he personally gave the order, that the UAE’s Mohammed Bin Zayed is a partner in the murder, that the whole world is now trying to save the crown prince, and that they are at the table ready to exhaust all their money and influence for this purpose.
The crown prince can no longer be saved, and these “cover-ups” will not work
My opinion never changed. This is what it will lead to. The Saudi crown prince won’t be able to worm his way out of this one; regardless of the cover-up operations they carry out, regardless of the negotiations they attempt, saving this person under these circumstances will be impossible. What’s more, it will reach Mohammed bin Zayed too. This is also going to be impossible to prevent.
Up until now, when everything was actually very blatant, despite everybody knowing who gave the order, who killed Khashoggi, who the murderers are connected to, that the Saudi crown prince is directly the architect of this atrocity, efforts have been made to cover up the incident. We know that Saudi Arabia and U.S. President Donald Trump’s administration are trying to cover up this incident, and that the U.S.-Israel-Saudi Arabia-UAE axis are both negotiating and tampering with evidence in efforts to “save” the Saudi crown prince.”
I find it passing strange that with all the known ties and decades of secret deals between Saudi Royals and the dumbass dubya clan, there hasn’t been a single word spoken from dd or his Dad. What gives?
For all the things a potus could be thankful for at Thanksgiving, it takes a rare statesman to be grateful for himself as potus.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-says-hes-thankful-for-himself-this-thanksgiving?ref=home
Sounds exactly like what a certain OS troll here would say about himself.
Curt Jopling has nailed it. Speaking of namby pamby, Hillary Clinton steps up to the plate…and swings and misses.
“Europe’s leaders need to send a much stronger message that they will no longer offer “refuge and support” to migrants if they want to curb the right-wing populism spreading across the Continent, Hillary Clinton warned in an interview published Thursday.
Mrs. Clinton said that while the decision of some nations to welcome migrants was admirable, it had opened the door to political turmoil, the rise of the right and Britain’s decision to withdraw from the European Union.
“I think Europe needs to get a handle on migration because that is what lit the flame,” Mrs. Clinton said in the interview with The Guardian, which was conducted before the United States midterm election this month.” New York Times 11/22/2018
trump could not have said it better. Clinton is just as ignorant about history as trump is. Both elitist and both rum dumb. Neither have read history about the colonization that made riches by European empires around the globe. After Europe took the riches, they left these former colonies to fight it out among themselves. The United States has done the same with our neighbors across the border. Show me a country that we have not screwed and continue to screw that is south of us. Send some resources back to the places we have destroyed, Puerto Rico for one.
I read all the responses and appreciate the dialogue. One idea that came to my mind is, I am grateful that the traitors: George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, all of the Adams, etc. were not killed for being traitors to their home country. Sometimes traitors, sometimes freedom fighter, perspective makes the difference
Curt J, I dig what you’re saying. We’ve played realpolitik forever. However, I’d like to think that President Reagan would not have denied the factual findings of his own CIA as just more fake news to be shrugged off with feckless agnosticism. President Reagan would have found a way to say, publicly, that killing journalists is unacceptable. Even if we don’t overly change a single policy toward Saudi Arabia, we can still use the moral pulpit to condemn an unjustifiable action. Donald Trump lacks the decency to even go that far; instead, he jumps on the Saudi bandwagon and implies Khashoggi was a terrorist and thus deserved to be executed without due process.
John Tsitrian contributes this thought:
“A classic from another board: ‘Crucifixion is a terrible, terrible thing. Should never happen. And we may never know if Jesus was guilty of crimes against Rome. Who can say? But 30 pieces IS a lot of silver, and it would be very foolish to turn it down.'”
As Thune settles into his duties as being tall, he should consider that he does have some responsibilities. The main one is our economy and with that, our status as world leader. trump is taking us backward with his and the rest of the republican accomplices complete backing.
“Those leaders all accepted that, with less than 5 percent of global population but more than 20 percent of the global economy, the United States, more than any other nation, depends on and benefits from predictable rules. It needs a world where business executives can go forth and come home without fear of kidnapping, where ships can ply the oceans without armed escorts, where contracts are honored and disputes fairly adjudicated. It needs a world where journalists can report and inform Americans on the true conditions on the ground.
Previous presidents understood that the way to achieve such a world was to enlist allies who would live by the United States’ rules in return for protection — safe in knowledge that the United States would not use its preeminence to squeeze them for every last dollar. They would go along because the United States stood not just for itself but for rules that benefited everyone and for values they cherished, as well: freedom, human dignity, the rule of law. By championing good — albeit imperfectly and inconsistently — the United States did well.” Washington Post 11/23/2018
This goes all the way back to 1945 with our presidential thinking. All of the presidents, Republican and Democratic leaders. The common fact is that they understood how business needs to be conducted. This bankrupt, failed, bozo head, simply does not understand. His accomplices do though, but they want to steal more from the people.
Jerry, your comment with the WaPo quote is absolutely brilliant in summing up what the Nattering Nincompoop and his Pootiepublican enablers are doing to the US economy and reputation. Very well said.
Something else Ms. Debbo, Thune may retire. As the number 2 guy, his job is going to be answering questions about all of his lies he has already made to cover up the crooked dealings of trump. How will this happen? Democrats have taken over the house and with that will come 2 years of proving the corrupt ways in which this whole operation has flourished and what it has cost the average Jill and Joe.
So what lies would those be? The weekly readers in hometown newspapers all across the state in which Thune, Rounds and NOem have all written their being willing accomplices to the great rip off. Thune is up for re election, a feller like Stace Nelson could come at him with a law and order platform that will surely make the tall man very uneasy. In the meantime, we get to watch him drink gallons of Maalox while he squirms in his own juices. Just rewards for selling us out.
Has Thune hinted about retiring? How long has he been living off the public’s tax dollars? He was a rep first. He’s going to have a very cushy life on all the perks senators have given themselves. He’ll probably stay in DC and do some $6-7 figure lobbying. He hasn’t given a rip about SD for a long time, except for a few brief months every 6 years.
Wouldn’t it be nice if Mueller is investigating Thune’s little July 4 trip to see his buddy Pootie? He’s probably about as dirty as Chinless Wonder McTurtle and that’s beyond pig stay filthy.
Wait till Thune steps in the s#*+ storm that will greet him to answer up for the Republican corruption the Democratic majority in the House brings up with those televised hearings. The senate has gone along with with the nuts (NOem) in the House that put the stank into their chambers. Now Thune is gonna have to defend that pile of bile. He may not know it today, but from the picture on that link you posted, that would be a picture on his best day considering the next two years. Happy New Year Thune, it’s gonna be a doozy. Pop up some popcorn to watch the tall guy twist in the wind like a pretzel wind chime. I don’t think he can make two years of that kind of story telling that is contrary to what he writes in the weekly readers.
Are grudznick and Old Sarge really residents of South Dakota? Has anyone seen their birth certificates or port of entry papers?
Are we expected to take the word of two Trump supporters?
I have serious doubts about pretty much everything they say Roger. Long form birth certificates and legally acceptable proof of residence are necessary, for starters.
If you don’t leave Saint Petersburg, Russia, you will not need papers is what I understand Roger.
Jerry, 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
Ruh oh, Butina sings. “Prosecutors and Maria Butina — a Russian national who’s been accused of being an unregistered foreign agent — requested Monday that a judge schedule a hearing this week so that Butina can change her plea. The filing was a suggestion that Butina and prosecutors may have reached a plea deal in the case.
Butina had pleaded not guilty to the charge, brought by prosecutors in July.
There have been previous signs that Butina and prosecutors were working on a resolution — namely in a November request seeking delays in court filing deadlines as the parties worked on a “pretrial resolution.”
“The parties have resolved this matter,” the court filing Monday said.”
Dirty Johnson and the rest of the vampires who have taken Russian blood money to subvert Democracy, must be filling their Depends on this. The NRA as well was eyebrow deep in the espionage and subversion. Let’s see if the namby pamby boys from South Dakota want to weigh in on the Red Headed Spy that took South Dakota with a smile and a shaking of her arse. When do you think we will have had enough of this corruption in South Dakota? Right……
jerry
Butina and her attorney’s, as well as some media outlets, are reporting that this case is not a part of the Mueller investigation.
It makes me suspect since Maria was dealing directly with the NRA who just happened to receive $30 million from Russia/Putin to funnel to the Trump campaign and numerous other republican campaigns.
The other good news from this plea deal is that we may know as soon as tomorrow exactly what role Erickson played in Butina espionage.
Nasty Russian Alliance=NRA. Treasonous.
Bwahahahahahahaha!!!
[Rubbing my hands together in glee.]
Thank you Santa!
The Russian Republican Party, purchased completely by Russian interests. Gwwad, these namby pamby boys go to Russia to collect on our taxpayer dime. Great graph to show the graft.
“In 2015-16, everything changed. Blavatnik’s political contributions soared and made a hard right turn as he pumped $6.35 million into GOP political action committees, with millions of dollars going to top Republican leaders including Sens. Mitch McConnell, Marco Rubio and Lindsey Graham.
In 2017, donations continued, with $41,000 going to both Republican and Democrat candidates, along with $1 million to McConnell’s Senate Leadership Fund.” https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/commentary/2017/12/15/putins-proxies-helped-funnel-millions-gop-campaigns
Here is how it is done boys and girls, from the Majority Leader of the Senate to damned near any republican with their hand out and their mouth open to drink it all in. Now we know about the South Dakota connection, what a state of affairs we have here.
WAPO makes new category for Drumpf lies told more than 20 times. https://www.thedailybeast.com/washington-post-introduces-bottomless-pinocchio-factcheck-level-for-trump?ref=home
Maybe he’ll share with OldSaystoomanyuntruestuffs.
https://www.rawstory.com/2018/12/forget-cohen-heres-maria-butinas-plea-worst-news-ever-trump/
Butina apparently had okay to spill her guts from Putin. Whether she serves time or not she WILL be kicked out. No moar Northern Mississippi pheasants for you, peasant!