“The Board of Regents is allocating funds for condoms at USD and also we’re paying for remedial math at the School of Mines and at SDSU,” he said. “We need to take a look at those things and see if we’re spending our money wisely” [Dana Ferguson, “Fact Check: Does State Pay for Condoms, Remedial Courses?” that Sioux Falls paper, 2018.01.04].
Dana Ferguson points out that Rep. Haugaard is mistaken:
Students pay a higher rate to take remedial courses and the state doesn’t help foot the bill for them. And the free condoms at USD? They’re donated by Sanford Health [Ferguson, 2018.01.04].
The Republican caucus picked the unstudious Haugaard to succeed Mickelson as Speaker after this Session. District 10, maybe you could do something to change that and send someone smarter to Pierre?
Meanwhile the legislature is allocating funds to send legislators on junkets to ALEC conventions.
mike from iowa
“The Board of Regents is allocating funds for condoms at USD and also we’re paying for remedial math at the School of Mines and at SDSU,” he said. “We need to take a look at those things and see if we’re spending our money wisely”
May I introduce Exhibit A?
Nick Nemec
If Sanford Health ever decides to stop providing free condoms to student health at the state supported universities the State of South Dakota would be wise to pick up the tab. Reduced incidence of STDs and unplanned pregnancy will save dollars in the long run.
jerry
Haugaard should consider using a remedial class and also using a condom…right over that empty melon of his. You just know he is kind of pervy with a statement like that.
Jenny
I agree Nick, but the idiots that run South Dakota don’t understand common sense.
Donald Pay
Yeah, this guy is a disaster at “homework.” Let me teach him something in Legislature Remedial Class.
Listen up, Foo!
Before you go off half-cocked, you need to leaf through, oh, about 30 years of Republican failure to solve this issue, if that is what you are intimating. This issue was generated in the 1980s by people in the Mickelson Administration. Janklow brought it up again during his 2nd go around and I remember it being brought up at least once in the 2000s. So, apparently this is one of those issues Republicans like to recycle about every 8-10 years, then cast aside once they’ve stolen money away from college students. It’s like the initiative issue, Foo. Anytime the elite power structure is threatened, Republicans go on a tear against the people’s rights.
Now, as far as condoms, I know it’s been decades since you “did it,” but I did my homework: it takes a lot of money to f*** these days, Foo!
When my daughter was going to college, there was a student group who got them for free or next to nothing from Planned Parenthood and distributed them around campus. Great advertising, as well as a public health service, by PP (not Pat Powers).
grudznick
Mr. Pay, I think we understood PP meant Planned Parenthood. Mr. PP, the journalist blogger, is a Catholic fellow with a number of children as I understand it. He would seem unlikely to distribute condoms around his town of Brookings.
The whole issue of remedial classes has always irked me. It really is genius in terms of revenue for the universities. First of all, when a student is required to take remedial classes, a black mark is tallied for the high school that student attended. No one cares that probably half the staff of that school district tried to tell the student and his parents that college was not going to be his thing. However, everyone has the right to try. So, a small fortune is charged for the remedial classes, the student debt begins to mount and if the student is able to pass the remedial class he has earned zero credits for his money and time. Then, he is allowed to take a “real class” which he may or may not be ready to take and may or may not be able to pass. However, more money is collected for this class. All the while, people are wondering why the local high school didn’t do their job in educating this kid. There is a lot to be said for the combination of IQ and effort, but not everyone understands this.
I would like to say that I don’t understand how Haugaard could be a legislator and not understand how this works, but I have sat in on summer study committees concerning education funding to watch our legislators at work and was initially amazed to find out how much these people don’t know about the things they are put in charge of. Even more amazing was that after being taught facts by outside stake holders, they don’t seem to UNDERSTAND the implications of their ideas.
Now, rather than being surprised by what they don’t know, I am pleasantly surprised when someone has something intelligent to offer. Legislators are not automatically brilliant people, they are just brave enough or conceited enough to run. It also helps to have an R beside their name on the ballot.
Donald Pay
Caroline is right about this. Remedial courses have become a profit center for the Board of Regents, and puts the student into more debt. They recruit underqualified students, so they must want them. The more students they delay, the more money the Board of Regents takes in.
The Universities, of course, could solve this problem easily, and I told them that 30 years ago. Don’t admit students who don’t have adequate qualifications. That, of course, would cost the Regents money, as admissions would be cut, so that is a solution they would never consider. And I don’t support that way of dealing with the problem.
Back 30 years ago the issue was focused on high schools not preparing students. Well, you’ve had 40 years of unbroken Republican-led education in South Dakota. Republicans have only themselves to blame.
Donald Pay
And that picture make Haugaard look like an adult character in one of the John Hughes teen movies with Molly Ringwald, or 1970s porn star, which might explain his concern about rubbers.
grudznick
Mr. Pay, I think he looks like a 70’s porn star as well. Many others make similar comments in the legislatures, I’m sure.
Jenny
Caroline and Donald, before you start bashing remedial courses in college, you should know that someone can be above average intelligence person, but in a certain subject area like mathematics it is just not their strong point. Remedial courses have helped students brush up on a subject like math or algebra (especially if it has been years since a nontraditional student has been in a math class). There is a place for remedial courses in situations like this.
grudznick
Agreed, Ms. Jenny. As long as they pay their own freight and don’t want to be on the public dole.
o
I am with Caroline and Donald on the issue of remedial classes, but have a soft spot for affording opportunity to the underdog as Jenny advocates. So here seems to be the question: do students who begin college work in remedial classes graduate (or graduate at a similar rate to their non-remedial peers)?
To me, this may all be an argument for a more robust junior college system.
Donald Pay
Yup, I agree. I’m not against remedial classes. What I am against is finger pointing, blame shifting and failure to pay for good education systems that provide student-centered, rather than Pierre-centered, education. The Republican Party has been in control of education in this state for 40 years. That’s 40 years of failure, if you believe all their caterwauling on the subject for that entire history. Republicans seem to all have PhDs in finger pointing, while they have their thumbs up their rectums. They continue to flog educators, students and districts for the blame they should rightly shoulder themselves.
Meanwhile the legislature is allocating funds to send legislators on junkets to ALEC conventions.
“The Board of Regents is allocating funds for condoms at USD and also we’re paying for remedial math at the School of Mines and at SDSU,” he said. “We need to take a look at those things and see if we’re spending our money wisely”
May I introduce Exhibit A?
If Sanford Health ever decides to stop providing free condoms to student health at the state supported universities the State of South Dakota would be wise to pick up the tab. Reduced incidence of STDs and unplanned pregnancy will save dollars in the long run.
Haugaard should consider using a remedial class and also using a condom…right over that empty melon of his. You just know he is kind of pervy with a statement like that.
I agree Nick, but the idiots that run South Dakota don’t understand common sense.
Yeah, this guy is a disaster at “homework.” Let me teach him something in Legislature Remedial Class.
Listen up, Foo!
Before you go off half-cocked, you need to leaf through, oh, about 30 years of Republican failure to solve this issue, if that is what you are intimating. This issue was generated in the 1980s by people in the Mickelson Administration. Janklow brought it up again during his 2nd go around and I remember it being brought up at least once in the 2000s. So, apparently this is one of those issues Republicans like to recycle about every 8-10 years, then cast aside once they’ve stolen money away from college students. It’s like the initiative issue, Foo. Anytime the elite power structure is threatened, Republicans go on a tear against the people’s rights.
Now, as far as condoms, I know it’s been decades since you “did it,” but I did my homework: it takes a lot of money to f*** these days, Foo!
When my daughter was going to college, there was a student group who got them for free or next to nothing from Planned Parenthood and distributed them around campus. Great advertising, as well as a public health service, by PP (not Pat Powers).
Mr. Pay, I think we understood PP meant Planned Parenthood. Mr. PP, the journalist blogger, is a Catholic fellow with a number of children as I understand it. He would seem unlikely to distribute condoms around his town of Brookings.
We paid $1,281.79 so Haugaard could go to the ALEC annual meeting in Denver this year. He probably didn’t do his homework there and just copied his work from Betsy DeVos and the ALEC lobbyists. DeVos used to co-chair a group that liked flipping out about public schools handing out condoms.
The whole issue of remedial classes has always irked me. It really is genius in terms of revenue for the universities. First of all, when a student is required to take remedial classes, a black mark is tallied for the high school that student attended. No one cares that probably half the staff of that school district tried to tell the student and his parents that college was not going to be his thing. However, everyone has the right to try. So, a small fortune is charged for the remedial classes, the student debt begins to mount and if the student is able to pass the remedial class he has earned zero credits for his money and time. Then, he is allowed to take a “real class” which he may or may not be ready to take and may or may not be able to pass. However, more money is collected for this class. All the while, people are wondering why the local high school didn’t do their job in educating this kid. There is a lot to be said for the combination of IQ and effort, but not everyone understands this.
I would like to say that I don’t understand how Haugaard could be a legislator and not understand how this works, but I have sat in on summer study committees concerning education funding to watch our legislators at work and was initially amazed to find out how much these people don’t know about the things they are put in charge of. Even more amazing was that after being taught facts by outside stake holders, they don’t seem to UNDERSTAND the implications of their ideas.
Now, rather than being surprised by what they don’t know, I am pleasantly surprised when someone has something intelligent to offer. Legislators are not automatically brilliant people, they are just brave enough or conceited enough to run. It also helps to have an R beside their name on the ballot.
Caroline is right about this. Remedial courses have become a profit center for the Board of Regents, and puts the student into more debt. They recruit underqualified students, so they must want them. The more students they delay, the more money the Board of Regents takes in.
The Universities, of course, could solve this problem easily, and I told them that 30 years ago. Don’t admit students who don’t have adequate qualifications. That, of course, would cost the Regents money, as admissions would be cut, so that is a solution they would never consider. And I don’t support that way of dealing with the problem.
Back 30 years ago the issue was focused on high schools not preparing students. Well, you’ve had 40 years of unbroken Republican-led education in South Dakota. Republicans have only themselves to blame.
And that picture make Haugaard look like an adult character in one of the John Hughes teen movies with Molly Ringwald, or 1970s porn star, which might explain his concern about rubbers.
Mr. Pay, I think he looks like a 70’s porn star as well. Many others make similar comments in the legislatures, I’m sure.
Caroline and Donald, before you start bashing remedial courses in college, you should know that someone can be above average intelligence person, but in a certain subject area like mathematics it is just not their strong point. Remedial courses have helped students brush up on a subject like math or algebra (especially if it has been years since a nontraditional student has been in a math class). There is a place for remedial courses in situations like this.
Agreed, Ms. Jenny. As long as they pay their own freight and don’t want to be on the public dole.
I am with Caroline and Donald on the issue of remedial classes, but have a soft spot for affording opportunity to the underdog as Jenny advocates. So here seems to be the question: do students who begin college work in remedial classes graduate (or graduate at a similar rate to their non-remedial peers)?
To me, this may all be an argument for a more robust junior college system.
Yup, I agree. I’m not against remedial classes. What I am against is finger pointing, blame shifting and failure to pay for good education systems that provide student-centered, rather than Pierre-centered, education. The Republican Party has been in control of education in this state for 40 years. That’s 40 years of failure, if you believe all their caterwauling on the subject for that entire history. Republicans seem to all have PhDs in finger pointing, while they have their thumbs up their rectums. They continue to flog educators, students and districts for the blame they should rightly shoulder themselves.