I like the Stace Nelson/Gordon Howie/Lora Hubbel wing of the South Dakota Republican Party. I keep hoping they’ll get serious and run a viable statewide candidate who can put the screws to the establishment wing of their party for acting like crony capitalists instead of adhering to the real conservative principles of the Republican Party.
Bob Mercer’s profile of Lora Hubbel shows she won’t make that happen. The repeat gubernatorial candidate says she’s organizing earlier this time, but…
How she’s raising money
“I haven’t even started yet,” Hubbel said. She planned to “flip” three re-possessed houses she bought and use the proceeds as seed money. But that hasn’t worked out.
She showed photos on her phone of one place, its rooms crammed with empty plastic bottles, including the spot where the former resident slept atop them. She’s been busy cleaning the mess.
“I couldn’t even hire somebody to do it,” she said [Bob Mercer, “Hubbel Hopes to Root out Corruption with Governor Run,” Rapid City Journal].
If you’re not raising money, you’re not organizing. And you don’t finance campaigns with gimmicks like flipping houses or raffles or anything else. You mail, call, and knock on the doors of everyone on your mailing list and ask for money. You expand you mailing list and ask those people, too. You get hundreds of people to literally invest in your campaign, thank them profusely, spend that money wisely, then show them what real work you’ve done with their money and ask for more.
If you really want to root out corruption, Lora, you’ve got to have money to get out the word and get people to vote for you. Forget the houses; start stamping envelopes and making calls!
“Rooms crammed with empty plastic bottles, including the spot where the former resident slept atop them”. An apt metaphor for the mind of Lora Hubbel. She’s been busy cleaning up the mess. “I couldn’t even hire somebody to do it.” Indeed.
Stace Nelson/Gordon Howie/Lora Hubbel aren’t republicans. They are Constitution Party people who lack the courage to break from the GOP Party herd.
Is that the same Lora Hubbel that spews her stuff in these comment sections from time to time? I doubt anybody will take her seriously, I won’t, but I’m a Democrat.
Tim, yes, Hubbel does visit the comment section here occasionally.
Another error: relying on a personal commercial venture for her seed money. That’s not a plan; that’s a gamble on factors unrelated to the quality of her political message. Focusing on direct fundraising (a) keeps the candidate from going into debt and (b) focuses the candidate’s attention on developing a message that will inspire donors and voters alike.
Mr. Tim, it is the very same young lady. She is usually wearing the sleeveless dresses but is completely insaner than most. She hates vaccines and thinks the government is tracking most people’s every movement through radio chips and retinal scans. Well, maybe the tracking fears are not all unfounded, but the vaccine fear is over the top. I, for one, am glad she is in the race.
“Rorschach” writes:
As one of about 475 registered members of the Constitution Party of South Dakota, I’d like to point out that we all, by definition, have the courage to break from the Republican Party herd.
Mr. Evans, you are indeed brave, as are my good friends Lar and Bob who swell your ranks.
(Careful, Kurt: Ror is not saying all Constitution Party people lack such breaking courage. He is saying that Nelson, Howie, Hubbel lack such courage. To level that charge against all CPers, he’d have had to have inserted a comma after “people”, which would have made “who lack the courage…” apposite to rather restrictive of “Constitution Party people”. 8-O [that’s a grammarian with his eyes bugging out shouting, “Wow!”])
@Rorschach The irony of someone trolling blogs under a nom de lâcheté questioning others courage is enough to choke an earthworm. I don’t see a butterfly in your ink blot upon cyberspace; however, the text paints a distinct picture of a political rat 😉
@CAH I’m a conservative Republican. My record and public comments indicate I am adroit In that capacity.
Rhoden laughing. Rhoden laughing.
at Stace.
Mercer got that a bit wrong…I have 2 properties (not 3) and I told im it WAS working out well..it is just slower than I thought. I should have $30,000 of seed money soon to start asking for matching funds
Bob Mercer’s interviews were a real treat.
Hubbel’s father took her to the state fair once (possibly didn’t want to be seen with her again).
Dusty is running because it’s fun.
Shantel wants to kneel before trump.
Tim Bjorkman is the only candidate that offered solutions to issues.
Seems pretty simple, eh ?
Cory writes:
Correct. “Rorschach” is claiming that three “Constitution Party people” lack the courage to break from the Republican Party herd, and I’m pointing out that zero Constitution Party people lack the courage to break from the Republican Party herd.
Your beliefs align you with the Constitution Party, Stace Nelson. If the Constitution Party had the big herd that’s where you would be. You’re only in the GOP Party because of habit and because of the big herd. You hate the GOP Party, but lack the courage to follow your beliefs to the Constitution Party.
And Kurt, you don’t know who you are. You’re a Republican. You’re a Libertarian. You’re a Democrat. You’re a Constitutional. Mostly you’re just a fringe guy with fringe ideas whose claim to fame is handing an election to Tim Johnson over John Thune. Good work there, by the way.
Just perused the press release blog, and the crazy twins Lora/Tara were dissembling about Lora’s claim that somebody’s putting brain eating nanobots in vaccines. Those plastic bottles keep rattling, and nobody’s cleaning up the mess.
Lora, you claim that Bill gates says vaccines will reduce the population by 90%. Can you produce a citation for that statement you attributed to Bill Gates?
(Time for crazy twin Tara to jump in and change the subject).
@nom de lâcheté “Rorschach” Ahhhh, another internet pundit punishing the world with their half-baked ideas based off their view of the world from their grandma’s basement, from whence they rail against the world from behind a computer screen and an assumed screen name. I am a Republican because I believe in the Party platform. Ive fought for that platform as a legislator. Real Republicans naturally share issues of support with Libertarians and Constitutionalists. But tell us more of political courage from your bastion of cowardice.. 🤣
Well Mr. Nelson, political courage is when you don’t hide in the house bathroom to avoid a tough vote.
Well nom de lâcheté “Rorschach,” I voted twice and spoke twice on the bill. But if you want to believe & repeat such pedestrian idiocy, you prove my point about your lack of knowledge and courage😉
Political courage is when you put your name on robocalls impugning your fellow Republicans rather than sending them out anonymously.
Political courage is walking into the capital building unarmed. Or is that physical courage, big guy?
nom de lâcheté “Rorschach,” your assumptions have no standing in reality. While you may believe every scrap of political gossip you can gleam from your anonymous interactions online? Doesn’t make them factual. Those legislators voting to kill SD National Guard education program while they were in combat overseas, they impugned themselves with such actions. I have proven time and time again I have no problem going toe to toe with anyone (including anonymous cowards online), as I did publicly complaining about the voting records of 2011’s SB188 http://sdlegislature.gov/Legislative_Session/Bills/Bill.aspx?Bill=188&Session=2011 But don’t tell anyone that I also publicly opposed the bill on the floor, it’s a secret 🙄
Please, until you have the courage to use your name? Don’t lecture the rest of us about your inaccurate understandings of politics and those who have the courage to publicly participate in it. It’s patently moronic.
@nom de lâcheté “Rorschach,” and BTW, what part of the facts that I didn’t pay for, author, record, or make those robocalls do you and Anne Beal have such a hard time comprehending? 🙄
If you think your french kisses trouble me you’re mistaken, Mr. Nelson. Pucker up as many times as you want.
Political courage is admitting you’re not a very good legislator, when you’re not a very good legislator.
All those direct hits … I just sank your battleship.
@nom de lâcheté “Rorschach,” Yes.. please, lecture us all more on your views of political courage while using a goofy pen name of a comic book character while reciting old political lies 🤣
Why such a desperate tack to project your basement views? 😁 You remind me of the KCNA desperately trying to project propaganda. In that my opponents constantly shriek their opinions about my efficiency as a legislator, are in fact evidence of that proficiency 😉
Ohhh, you really knocked me out of office with that juvenile salvo, too bad the toys in granny’s basement weren’t able to help you affect reality.. I really would be in trouble if you in fact had sunk my battleships 🙄
What the hell happened to the hall monitor? How about the lunchroom monitor. Sounds like a food fight in progress.
Funniest part is Nelson’s attempt to use the lingua franca of the Surrender Monkeys.
He has multiple battleships! hahahahahahahahaha
It’s weird how these political hit men come on these blogs to try and keep the power structure going as it has for the last 40 years. So what do they do? They go after the people that want to bring about change for the good. These people are nothing more than political hacks from both sides that only care about their political label and identity politics, all while SD continues on the road of corruption. Notice, these cowards can’t even use their names. How juvenile. Thank God we have real people like Nelson Wismer, Hubbel, Tyler, Solem, Tapio Bjorkman, Sutton, etc, to break-up this incestuous group of political self serving opportunists.
Just as I predicted. Here’s Tara to change the subject, which in this case is Ms. Hubbel’s bat guano crazy ideas and claims.
One: this discussion is again why I hate our system of political parties – especially having only two (ADR to our Constitution Party friends).
Two: I was impressed that Stace pitches in a Alan Moore Watchman reference. I had always limited my thought to ink blots open to interpretation that reveal more about the viewer than the blot.
$30K in “seed money” coming “soon”? Matching funds? Lora, that’s a path to personal bankruptcy. Instead of buying and cleaning up grungy houses, you could have put equivalent labor and expense into acquiring a solid mailing and calling list, contacting 10,000 donors, and getting a tenth of them to give you a Sandersesque average of $30 each. That effort would have been easier, faster, and (bonus!) totally off your tax return.
Flipping houses creates all sorts of income tax complications. According to this H&R Block post, profits on flipped-house sales count as ordinary income. You end up paying self-employment tax on that profit. So if you’re really making $30K profit on flipped houses, you pay $3,400 to Social Security and $800 to Medicare. You get to deduct about half of that from your taxable income, but if you already have, $38K of taxable income, your House-flipping income lands gets taxed at 25%, meaning you lose another $6,500–$7,000.
Get serious about fundraising, keep your own money out of the pot, and all your sweat goes 100% toward the campaign, not toward Rube Goldberg real-estate games and personal income tax.
Let me emphasize that it’s Senator Nelson lording his command of the French language over his opponents, not me. Incroyable!
Mr. Nelson looks like a Frenchman.
Mrs. Volesky, I think I disagree with you when you call Mr. Rorschach a political hitman. He hasn’t been one of those for years. However you missed a few commas in your blogging that make it confusing, unless you are referring to Ms. Wismer’s son named Nelson, and Judge Tim by his middle name, from his mother’s side, Tapio.
Whatever Grudz. You get my point. Sorry to disappoint you but Lora would never lower herself to sell out to the special interests for $1,000 per couple. She would rather do it the old fashion way by earning it with hard work.
“Rorschach” writes:
I’m a pro-liberty Constitutionist:
https://www.constitutionparty.com/about-us/faqs/why-does-the-constitution-party-use-the-term-constitutionist/
Human Events quoted Thune in 2012 as saying there’s “no doubt” that I spoiled the 2002 race. Here’s another perspective:
http://jacobtlevy.blogspot.com/2002/11/rachel-dicarlo-at-weekly-standards.html
“o” writes:
All due respect to you as well.
Tara, raising money through campaign fundraising calls, letters, and visits is the old-fashioned way. Self-funding through house-flipping is a newer, far less efficient, and personally fiscally perilous way to finance a campaign. Campaign fundraising doesn’t have to mean selling one’s soul. Reach out to regular voters, win their nickel-and-dime support. Identify big donors whose views align with yours already and get a few big checks from them.
Nice sidestep Kurt. You have been registered with all of the parties I mentioned. You have also probably been registered as an independent and maybe even under the Reformed Party banner at some point. Any others?
Cory, Lora is reaching out.She has made a few trips west river. She and Billie Sutton have been blackballed from speaking at SD Prayer Coalition luncheon Sept 21st. Lora is even a member, but they are only allowing Noem and Jackley to speak . I guess they they don’t thing Lora and Billie are Christian enough. lol. It’s still very early and people aren’t even paying attention. The message is more important than the money. I have encouraged groups like LEAD and 605 INDIVISIBLE to host some town halls and lively debates. People need to rise-up and become engaged. This race is going to get very interesting. Tim Bjorkman had a great article the other day calling out Jackley. When ever and where ever, Lora will be there.
Lora will be talking about chemtrails, the government weaponizing hurricanes, nanobots in vaccines, and Allah knows what other nutball stuff.
If you check out her interview with Bob Mercer, she didn’t mention that at all. It was about exposing corruption and defending the Indians students that lost out on millions for college scholarships, Open up the EB-5 investigation, Health Care monopolies. Rorschach, could you be Pat powers, you sure sound like him.
I don’t make this stuff up and neither does Pat Powers. It comes straight from the mind of Lora Hubbel. Pat just reports the crazy when he sees it. Somebody needs to expose the crazy coming from a gubernatorial candidate.
I never did get the citation for Lora’s claim that Bill Gates said vaccines will decrease the population by 90%. Would you kindly ask Lora where she found that statement by Bill Gates and report back here?
Sure, Tara, but my point here is that she’d “be there” more often with more money in hand if she quit wasting her time and incurring tax liability flipping houses and focused on traditional fundraising. Stop looking for people who want to buy a house (that’s already taken a slagging in the press) and start looking for people who will buy her message and put money on it.
@CAH I have a genuine affinity for many of the languages I have had the pleasure of participating in on my excursions across the globe. I bow in deference to your mastery of French in my humble pedestrian usage. I am embarrassed that the languages I once held a level of proficiency in are in a sad state indeed.
@”O”I support American’s right to anonymous freedom of speech and personally like the specific use of “Rorschach” as a clever nom de plume. The comic book reference was my snarky pugilistic retort to the spiteful content of the bearers intentional efforts to be disagreeable. 😁 “If you prick us, do we not bleed?
if you tickle us, do we not laugh? if you poison
us, do we not die? and if you wrong us, shall we not
revenge?..”
Oh look, Nelson’s waxing goofy.
Cory, you should be commending Lora for hard work ethic. She is a great example to young people that hard work can pay off. There is no free lunch, unless you are an establishment Republican.
Mrs. Volesky is right. There are few free lunches, in fact none, even for her real Republicans who have to pay for their lunches. And she may also be right about that pretty young lady, Ms. Hubbel, who clearly has a work ethic of a sort that lets her really dive in all the way. She and Ms. Noem will be a heck of a battle.
Tara Volesky writes:
If that’s true, it seems like a sad misrepresentation of Christianity.
Yes it is true Kurt. Just call Lora (605) 521-9504.
Be careful, Ms. Volesky. Pope Powers on the Catholic Blog is becoming irritated with your refusal to be bossed around by the males that “run the show”. Threatening to block someone for lying on a blog dedicated to misdirection, false assumption and truth avoidance is quite a tell.
Mr. Lansing, little PP doesn’t scare me. But thanks for your concern.
I think he is the scared one. Now he is on my fb page, and he isn’t even my friend.
I know. He uses different names to gain access to places he’s been told he’s not welcome. One is Franklin.
Tara, I praise hard work. But in physics, work = force × distance. Lora’s applying a lot of force on those houses, but she’s not covering any campaign finance distance. Even if she turns some profit, she could have applied the same force in far more efficient ways to cover far more distance and thus get more work done.
There’s working hard, and there’s working smart. If anyone wants to unseat the GOP establishment, they’ll have to work smart. That doesn’t mean coming up with self-financing gimmicks. That means making calls, sending letters, and finding supporters willing to write checks.
Cory, she is raising money and she spoke I think it was last night at the Lincoln County Republican dinner. eeeeww. Her opponents supposedly have jobs, but I am sure they mix business and campaign trips together.
Tara Volesky had written:
I’d written:
Tara replies:
Thanks, Tara. I’m wondering whether you have a phone number for the South Dakota Prayer Coalition.
Hi Kurt. I could not find a phone number. Coming from a reliable source, my understanding is Rep. Manny Steele was the deciding factor on not letting Lora give her testimony. But don’t take my word for it, just call him. Here are is numbers…605-261-3575 or 605-533-7036. Hope this is helpful for you. Thanks for your interest.
What would be funny is to have atheist Cory give him a call. lol
Tara Volesky writes:
Thanks again, Tara.
No problem Kurt.
I, for one, am glad they will not let young Ms. Hubbel speak at the religious conference, for it will make her put forth her own conferences where she can expound for hours at the podium, insaner than most. I find it intriguing.
Hubbel/Tapio/Nelson need to prove their accusations first before speaking out. Called out all three to present their evidence on anything. They all said just leave me alone. I think pacifiers all around is required for that part of the Republican Party.
They all said leave me alone? Really? lol. That would be wonderful except Deb Peters is trying to silence Nelson on the GOAC. Let him expose the evidence at USD and how about subpoenaing several people that are involved? The GOAC that covered the EB-5 was a complete joke.
If Hubbel weren’t so busy scrubbing houses and had raised real campaign cash, she have a lot easier time publicizing the evidence Boswell is asking for.
Tara Volesky If either of them had any “real” evidence they would have presented it. Again just like Bob Mercer, Angela K. and Cory, they have nothing beyond what Jackley has found. All have tried to use EB5 and Gear UP as a political whipping stick on “establishment” Republicans. For Nelson and Tapio it is a kin to Joesph McCarthy type mudslinging it is wrong and shouldn’t be tolerated. Either give up the evidence you have or shut up and let Jackley do his job.
Say Mike, I was at the GOAC the last time they met in Pierre. Have you tuned in to all of the meetings. Did you pay attention to all of the emails. Why won’t they subpoena the big players in this. There is so much cronyism, favoritism and nepotism that has been increasing over the last 40 years, just ask Legislators and former Legislators, why would they lie? Corruption is going to take place when there is no accountability and consequences. Most of the Legislators are very good people but either they don’t know what the hell is going on, or they don’t want to find out. It is a very uncomfortable situation because most of them are all friends. You can’t mix the people’s business with fun and friendships.
Yes Lora needs to get on the horn and start raising some serious cash. She has some experience now and this time around the gloves are off and there will be no holds barred. She will bring some excitement and interest to the race. Mike, Jackley hasn’t found anything because he hasn’t looked.
What Lora needs is a friend to convince her to quit posting bat guano crazy stuff online. Too bad for her she doesn’t have such a friend.
I like her postings. It makes you research the articles and use critical thinking skills, if you have any. Would you rather have her post selfies like the other candidates?
I like her postings, too, Mrs. Volesky. I like them a lot. They are bat guano crazy stuff!
I have to agree with grundznick. Her comments make for entertaining reading but little else. No one is going to take her seriously. She needs to back her stuff with facts and evidence or it’s a lot of hot air but nothing else.
oh the emails prove that the 3 on Trail and the dead are the heart of Gear UP. The rest of it is 15 min of fame stuff. Hindsight but doesn’t point to anything illegal of others. Definitely not the grand Conspiracy that has been preached by Lora and yourself. Again if you have something give it up or shut up. Let Jackley do his job.
You misspeak, Mike, when you say Hubbel is just like responsible reporters like Bob Mercer and Angela Kennecke and responsible journalist/advocates like myself. But if it makes you feel better excusing corruption and failures of state government, you keep plucking that chicken.
I’m also a more efficient campaign fundraiser than Lora. My fundraising record in my first Legislative race speaks for itself. If I wanted Lora to be our next Governor (thought experiment for the masses: if a Dem couldn’t win, would you rather have Lora, Kristi, or Marty?), and if she’d have me on her team, I could raise a hundred thousand dollars for her campaign before she could make any comparable profit on her house-flipping.
You should do that for her, Mr. H, for a percentage to keep. 50%. I bet it would pay far more than being a journalist without a professional news outlet to broadcast it to the masses.
Tara Volesky writes:
Great comment, Tara.
Thanks Kurt…….and Cory, you’re hired.
LOL Cory when you provide evidence of a large scale scandal then you would be credible. So far the 3 on Trail and the dead are the only ones “so far” with legal wrong doing. The emails posted by Angela were merely sour grapes and even one retracted what she was saying. Hardly a scandal and hardly mismanagement. If you want to know all about Gear up go ask Stacy Phelps, he was the guy in the field with the control. Westerhuis controlled all the money. You have no proof that is larger than that, so you are basically a fart in the wind. Political Mudslinging no better than Hubbel/Tapio/Nelson.
Typical South Dakota thinking from Boswell, the leadership at the top should take no ounce of responsibility because they’re good little republicans and can do no wrong.
Tara, no, I’m not hired. I have received no offer of a contract, and absent some surprise, I would not accept such a contract. While Grudz is right that I could parlay such work into a higher paycheck than I get from blogging, I would also have to shut off my political conscience.
Besides, if Lora won’t take my free advice, what freedom would I have on her payroll to implement that advice?
Jenny It has nothing to do with being a good Republican. It has to do with some common sense and what is real and true. Again I say if you have proof, but it out in the open otherwise it’s all hot air.
Cory, she knows talent. It would be strictly business. Why wouldn’t you want to make some money to help your party take out the establishment in the Republican primary. You can then support you Democrat nominee in the general election. It’s called strategy.
I just went to Tim Bjorkman’s meeting tonight in Mitchell. A former Superintendent spoke out and said there are several more people that need to be prosecuted over the Gear-Up than just the three. He knows the scoop.
That’s not evidence that’s hearsay. Let that person go to Jackley and tell his story. If he has the evidence.
Why trust Jackley? The Judge just called him out.
He’s the SD State Attorney, but if he doesn’t go there have him talk to the Fed. Either way unless there is real evidence it is just hearsay and a lot of hot wind. In this nation you have to have real evidence to prove illegal activity. So prove it.
My Bet is that everyone that is blowing about Gear Up or EB5 have nothing. They just want to use it forward their political aspirations (like Joe McCarthy) or use it against a sitting politician to forward their political though (a whipping stick). That’s is BS. Give up the evidence that legal wrong doing has been committed but others or just go away.
Hey Mike, you are so wrong. I am sure it’s all about your emotions and denial that the SD Politicians would ever be involved in a multi- million dollar scandals such as EB-5 or Gear-Up. Are you living in a dream world? Grow up and think for yourself.
Tara I am a realist it doesn’t affect me at an emotional level. Again prove that this is an illegal scandal that the scale you have just said with real evidence. Then you can talk otherwise I just hear hot wind. Just because you wanted it to be that way doesn’t make it so. In order to prove someone has done something wrong you need evidence. The emails didn’t have anything on anyone other than those already accused. Tara you go ask Stacey Phelps, he knows the scoops. BTW if this is such a large scandal why is Phelps still walking around. That blows all kinds of holes into the conspiracy theories. I suggest a tin foil hat for you.
You can’t turn this back on me like Hubbel tried on Kelo. She has little conspiracy theories dancing all around in her head. That’s why grudznick called her bat guano crazy. That includes ex-representatives that use know her as well.
Which superintendent, Tara? Have him contact me and provide his evidence.
I can ask him Cory…..it’s one thing saying something in confidence, but many people that know what’s going on are afraid to speak out in public. Maybe Stacey Phelp’s Lawyer can work out a plea bargain by naming all the other people involved. Mike, I am not going to give Lora Hubbel all the credit for bringing corruption to the fore front, just read the numerous articles that Cory has researched and written. Most of the credit goes to him. He has documentation to back much of his research up. Would you guys call him bat guano crazy? As far as Conspiracy theory? That has all ready been determined.