And Joe Biden is in for real:
“More freedom or less freedom, more rights or fewer”—that’s the choice Americans have faced throughout their political history. A vote in 2024 to continue the Biden Presidency is a vote for more freedom and more rights. A vote for Republicans in 2024 is a vote for the opposite.
GO JOE STEADY! –
“What do Hillary’s emails and Hunter’s laptop have in common?”
They both know how to get Connie’s goats.
What a bunch of malarky. Joe Biden is an interim or caretaker POTUS who should serve a single term. Vice President Kamala Harris has yet to prove to this voter that she has the fire in the belly and although I support nearly everything Sens. Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders work for they’re simply unelectable.
Look, folks. Look. Enough of Joe, already. There are like 40 decent democrats that could do the job just as well, without embarrassing the party every couple months. Just move on, man.
I guess I would prefer the younger generation step up. It IS their future, after all. But, alas, it has to be someone electable. As for Joe, I agree that he should “be compared to the alternative, not the Almighty.” Along with that, if we could also get rid of the John Thunes of the world, the spineless, squishy obstructionists, well, that would be a day just like learning Tucker Carlson would NOT be back! ;-)
That’s a great introduction to why Biden should be re-elected. FREEDOM. “…Every generation of Americans have faced a moment when they have to defend democracy, stand up for our personal freedom, stand up for the right to vote and our civil rights. And this is our moment.” Goddamn right. We ain’t letting the Maga fascists take this country down to Putin-style corruption and tyranny. That’s what this election is about. That’s all it’s about if either Trump or DeSantis is the leader of the party opposite.
Look, Biden wouldn’t be my choice if this wasn’t another existential election between tyranny and freedom. If it was about economics or war and peace or the environment, I might go for another option. But he’s the only choice that I can see with a chance to beat fascist tyranny.
Often prophetic, it’s as if Roger Stone, Paul Manafort, Kellyanne Conway, Steve Bannon, Patrick Davis and Brad Parscale memorized the entire script for Designated Survivor then put every villainous catastrophe they concoct into play. In the penultimate episode of the three season series there is even a racist who engineers a virus to sterilize or kill people of color to erase the Democratic voter base — the defining feature of the Trump term.
Does Sleepy Joe even know what year this is?
Jenny, it’s the year before the end of freedom.
Being an old privileged white man I have never in my life felt that any worthwhile
freedoms were curtailed by any administration. There is always a certain tension
between the desire for freedom and the need for order; that is something we need
to remember.
Take The Tucker Test:
– What percentage of Tucker Carlson’s / Donald Trump’s agenda do you believe is true?
“You and your way of life are under attack, and the people doing the attacking look different and have different values than you do.”
Yes, P., they look wishy washy and can’t figure out if 2+2 equals 4.
Yes, P., some democrats have vastly different values that I do. I have never
voted for Donald Trump, but if I am confronted with the choice between
Biden and Trump one more time, rest assured that I will reluctantly
vote for Trump.
than, sorry And both those guys are getting too old, as I am.
I’ve noticed that I’m making more mistakes of this nature than formerly.
Take The Joe Biden Test:
-What percentage of Joseph Biden’s agenda do you believe is true?
“It is important to acknowledge and celebrate our differences as a source of strength and richness in our society. Rather than seeing others as attackers, let us seek to learn from and appreciate their unique perspectives and cultures. By embracing diversity and engaging in respectful dialogue, we can build a more harmonious and inclusive world for all.”
Well well, BIDENS going to kick butt again. It’s easy to point out the amazing accomplishments that he achieved with razor thin majorities in the house and senate. The Republican’s won’t know what hit them. They are still Trumpies and still listen to the lying loser con man. Look at his intelligent response to see the difference. Can’t wait.
Having Kevin McCarthy second in line for presidential succession should scare spit out of every American.
P., you’re talking like a liberal. Competing agendas are not true or
false, but different.
Edwin, if you would choose Trump over Biden can you identify something that you think Trump has done or said that leads you to think Trump would be better for the Country?
What exactly do you think Biden has done to indicate he would be a worse President than Trump?
I may be missing something here and would appreciate your viewpoint. I favor Biden over Trump based on the following comparisons:
– Who has been indicated for more crimes?
– Who has to go to trial on rape allegations?
– Who has been caught in more lies to the public?
– Who has used the office to enrich themselves more?
-Who has achieved more legislative goals benefiting more people?
-Who has made more stupid or incomprehensible public statements?
-Who has the most experience in the federal government?
Who has appointed more competent or incompetent people to important bureucratic offices?
There are many other factors that I have personally considered, but these come immediately to mind and IMHO tend to weigh pretty heavily in Biden’s corner, but I sure could be missing something that is even more important that would give Trump the edge. What is your analysis on these or other matters I may have overlooked?
Mr. Arndt thinks P. of the Aitch talks like a liberal.
“Sehr scharfsinnig, mein Herr.”
“I’m proud of being many things. Being proud of being a liberal with liberal values is near the top. I was a conservative when I left SD 48 years ago and as age grew so did my understanding that selfishness was shallow and without true rewards.”
Edwin. Daily life with a liberal outlook has several advantages, including:
1. Open-mindedness: A liberal outlook encourages open-mindedness and a willingness to accept different perspectives and experiences. This can lead to greater empathy, understanding, and a willingness to learn from and engage with others.
2. Tolerance: Living with a liberal outlook promotes tolerance, inclusivity, and equality. This means valuing diversity and respecting people’s differences, regardless of their race, gender, sexual orientation, or religion.
3. Progressive policies: Liberals tend to support progressive policies, such as universal healthcare, paid parental leave, and affordable education. These policies aim to improve people’s quality of life, reduce inequality, and create a fairer society.
4. Environmentalism: Many liberals are also committed to environmentalism and sustainability, which means protecting the planet and preserving its resources for future generations.
5. Human rights: Liberals advocate for human rights and social justice. They believe that everyone deserves equality and access to opportunities and freedoms, and work towards creating a society that reflects these values.
Do any of my values dovetail with what your elderly life has become, Edwin? Hmmmm? 🤔
My uncle claims he has never come out fatter than a blue ribbon hog from a calf sale in his whole life…. Never had a more successful year….never made more improvements and upgrades…just beaming about his good fortunes all while sporting that stupid trump cap on his melon. I’m glad for him but I wish he would acknowledge all the help from his president’s administration subsidizing his victory. He won’t so I went ahead and thanked President Biden for him.
BCB; I am not nearly so verbose as you. But a few things.
I can support abortion in only the most limited circumstances.
I think that same sex marriage is an oxymoron. I think a boy
who thinks himself a girl is still a boy. I think the left wing
liberal agenda promotes moral decline which I believe does not
bode well for any society. Donald Trump is hardly a shining example
of morality but I did say reluctantly.
Democrats care more about protecting the planet than the redstaters do. I’m a single-issue voter. Earth first. See how simple?
P. , if you truly have values, there are some things you don’t tolerate. You don’t
constantly make excuses for the inexcusable behavior of some.
Affordable education is a laudable goal but that doesn’t mean free college.
Colleges would have no incentive to control costs.
Paid parental leave. For how long and where does the money
come from? I can see two weeks but not 12 weeks. Quality of
life, equality and fairness are all great things but is there any broad
agreement as to how those things are measured? There is a lot of
room for argument on these topics.
So, what Edwin and the rest of the anti-Bidenists have to “support” their decisions/perspective is either a.) NOTHING (what you listed are all OPPOSITION to something – not a positive thing to say about anything -m including “your man”) or the all-encompassing agism – which is at least the equivalent to racism. Not one positive view on anything. Not one.
I see what you’re saying, Edwin. I understand what you mean to convey. I agree with much of what you believe. There’s no benefit to you or me in either of us trying to change the other person’s mind. Best of everything to you, Edwin.
So Biden runs on his record, while Trump is unsaddled by his complete failure in office? This election will AGAIN be issues against a cult of personality.
President Biden struggles for the approval of a majority of America’s voters hovering near 41 percent while Democratic senators are overwhelmingly favored in their own states and Republicans surf the bottom. Sens. Amy Klobuchar (D-MN), Jon Tester (D-MT) and Martin Heinrich (D-NM) are doing great jobs according to pollsters at FiveThirtyEight.
And although the best choice in 2020 for President of the United States was Al Franken Senator Klobuchar had this columnist’s early primary endorsement to be our party’s nominee. But after it was revealed she had wrongfully prosecuted Myon Burrell when she was Hennepin County’s top prosecutor her aspirations to hold higher office evaporated. In 2020 Minnesota commuted Burrell’s sentence.
In 2012 Heinrich defeated Republican Heather Wilson, his predecessor in Congress and today thanks to efforts led by Sen. Heinrich bison have become America’s National Mammal, Amtrak’s Southwest Chief is still chugging, the Gila River is no longer in danger of being diverted, Chaco Culture National Historical Park enjoys greater protection from the extractive industry and he is leading the reform of the Mining Law of 1872. He is a smart, telegenic, pragmatic statesman in a state where a Democrat can easily keep the seat.
Edwin, Thanks for sharing those thoughts. But now I wonder what you believe Trump will do, or Biden will do to advance or restrict:
Abortion
Gay marriage
Transsexuals
or help for college students.
I agree that Trump is a moral failure and Biden muych less so than Trump. i don’t see how supporting Trump, however, advances any of the things you say you support. what am i missing?
My reluctant support for Trump at least sends a message as to where I stand.
Support for Biden would be a tacit endorsement of the left wing agenda.
Which I simply will not do. It’s both a matter of conscience and common sense.
I recognize that we disagree but I am totally comfortable with my stance.
On help for college students; I strongly believe that if a college graduate’s student
loans seem insurmountable, then college wasn’t worth what it cost. At some
point we have to let the market work.
This is what the liberal of media has to say about Tucker Carlson’s firing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjw9m1cG5S8
So are any of you aware that before Biden announced, RFK, jr. announced and so did Marianne Williamson. Both are being ignored by the propaganda machine and of all the candidates so far, IMO, RFK shows the most promise. Of course the machine will not allow him a chance.
My wife and I have be saying for years……335 Million people in this country and the choice of candidates for president that we get are Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, or Donald Trump! Can’t people see that something has gone terribly wrong with this so called democracy????
Edwin, based on what you wrote about voting for Biden in the last election, but voting for Trump now, I would also ask how you see Biden as a more of danger now than in 2020 to outlawing a personal right to decide who to marry, outlawing the personal rights of children and adults to identify as transgender, or affecting the states ability to criminalize abortion including the South Dakota death penalty punishment for unauthorized abortions?
The current supermajority of anti-privacy right Justices on the SCOTUS have already overruled a person’s constitutional right of privacy in family planning decisions, turning that matter over to the individual states. That makeup of the current Court seems unlikely to change in the next cycle, and sure doesn’t give any indication of restoring any such personal right of privacy at this juncture. Likewise, if the new conservative supermajority on the SCOTUS follows through with Justice Thomas’ stated jurisprudence, that Court will soon take away any constitutional right to privacy regarding who a person wants to marry and privacy regarding personal gender identity, and it doesn’t seem that either Biden or Trump could do anything to either encourage or stop the SCOTUS from taking away more of the former constitutional rights of privacy, so the states should soon be unfettered by any federal constitutional restriction on criminalizing an individal’s personal decisions about who to love or how they see themselves, regardless whether Biden or Trump is elected.
So, your view of morality seems protected from any constitutional restrictions regardless of who is elected President.
The student loan forgiveness program, paid parental leave, free college, however, might be treated differently depending on who is President, but how is that any different than in 2020 when you voted for Biden? Has his position changed from 2020 on any of these economic issues?
And I am not trying to change your mind about voting for Trump, rather, I am trying to understand the logic behind supporting someone with his moral history versus Biden’s moral history based on anything that Biden has done since you voted for him in the last election. Can you help me out? (Sorry for my verbosity. I think I even scored first for writing the most words on Cory’s blog in one year. I am trying to do better.)
The national GOP will sink Trump long before their primary.
If he survives the court challenges he’s facing Herr Trump might win the Iowa caucuses but $20 says his campaign will flounder afterwards.
It’s genuinely shocking Herr Trump hasn’t open called for the assassination of America’s executive branch.
BCB, I’m sorry, I didn’t make myself clear, I never voted for Biden.
In 2020 I wrote in Mike Pence. Can’t remember what I did in 16.
The democratic party, in my judgement, is promoting immorality.
That is why I don’t vote for democrats. I am truly hoping for better
choices in 2024.
I don’t think I have to tell you that there is no right to privacy specifically
articulated in the constitution.
Wheel of fortune will soon be on.
That Republicans revere a career criminal who is ripping American democracy apart is clearly a symptom of mass suicide.
Edwin, thanks for clarifying your 2020 vote. Was it a write in vote as I don’t recall Pence being an option for President in 2020 since he was the VP candidate?
Then if I understand you correctly, your vote really has nothing to do with Biden, it is just a vote against Democrats. That helps me understand your viewpoint as I have been unable to find any real reason to vote against Biden based on anything he has done or based on his personal morality, especially compared to Trump’s documented repeated immoral conduct.
The national democratic party supports both abortion and same sex
marriage. I consider both stances to be immoral. Biden is a democrat and
has not repudiated either position. Donald Trump’s personal conduct is
reprehensible, but his public positions, as far as I know, on these questions,
align with mine.
You know Edwin, I’m interested in what the Republican values are. They got rid of their party platform. Is alliegence to Trump? DeSantis has broken with the Republican policy of my lifetime in attacking Disney, a private business. What is it?
As far as student loans go, why are they treated differently than a loan for business. No bankruptcy helps with a student loan. Why is that?
The boy girl thing is more complicated than you allow. For instance there are many intersex births. The doctor gets to choose the sex? It’s better than one out of one hundred. So it’s just a case of another issue you see as cut and dried when it isn’t. The Republican party sees it as a winner for them in their moral way. They don’t really care otherwise.
Abortion is a great moral issue. Trump used to be pro choice. He needed votes, so he changed. Just like the Republican party. You know Bush was on Planned Parenthood’s board.. Now Trump sees it as the losing issue it is for the party so he’s downplaying it. Will the Republican party fall on its sword on this issue?
How many daughters do you have, Edwin?
Mr. P.h types:
Mr. Ardnt, probably a stoic NoDakian, might or might not respond, being it no business of the blog. However, the question could have been phrased as:
Now, the number is no doubt the same, but Mr. h seem to be posing a trick question which Mr. Arndt, being who he is, no doubt is too swarthy of mind to answer.
Clyde, you really think the anti vaxxer hasn’t been covered? I’ve read about his declaration on many sites. Even the proper gander foxies. He’s about as serious a candidate as Kristi. By the way Tucker got trashed by the old English boss. Soooo sad.
You can always vote for Ralph Nader. We went to his performance in Tampa a few years back. He had Iris Dement and Patti Smith. Loved them both but Ralph really needed an editor. Other than fixing car safety all he did was elect Bush.
The chasm in the national GOP is on full display in a nondescript blog based in Nebraska?
Lar, you calling this here blogging pace a nondescript blog?
Mark, I stopped calling myself a republican in the early days of the
Mark, I stopped calling myself a republican in the early days of the George W. Bush
administration. After 9/11 Bush thought he had carte blanche to spend as much money as he wanted
in any way he chose. In no way was he being responsible. I know what my values
are, and I think I have pretty well made them clear with postings this evening.
grudznichts, pay attention!
The issue of abortion affects women directly as it involves their physical health, reproductive rights, and personal autonomy. Women are the ones who carry and give birth to babies, and therefore should have the right to make decisions about their own bodies.
Men, on the other hand, do not experience pregnancy, childbirth or the physical and emotional consequences of abortion. While men may have opinions on the issue, it does not impact their own bodies or lives in the same way as it does for women.
Therefore, it is generally considered that women’s opinions on abortion are more important since they are impacted directly by the issue, and have a unique perspective and understanding of what it entails. It is important to listen to and prioritize the voices and experiences of those most directly affected by an issue.
I am 100% a Kennedy Democrat….https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYdjT75ljgs
I read the Boston Globe every morning. Robert Kennedy Jr. is a laughing stock in Massachusetts for promoting anti-vaccine propaganda and conspiracy theories,
He’s your clown, Tara.
P. Aitch the media, big corporations and the Military Industrial Complex are against him just like they were against his father. Check out who owns the media. They would never support a Kennedy. You might want to watch this twice……https://www.c-span.org/video/?527511-1/robert-kennedy-jr-announces-2024-presidential-campaign
Which media? Which corporations? What are you doing except generalizing? Just stop 🛑
Tara, I feel for you supporting an anti vaxxer. Thats like supporting Djokovic over Nadal. Just unheard of.
You’re not alone though, Tara. It’s an extremist group but it IS a group nonetheless.
– Kennedy has also been linked to conspiracy theories surrounding the death of his father, former U.S. Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy, who was assassinated while running for president in 1968.
– Kennedy has also been criticized for his views on environmentalism and the use of fossil fuels. Some argue that his opposition to certain renewable energy projects has hindered progress in the fight against climate change.
– In conclusion, Kennedy’s controversial views and actions have earned him both supporters and detractors, but his impact on important issues has been further complicated by his controversial positions.
Yeah, yeah, Mr. P.h *waving hand dismissively* I hear you blah blah blah.
What’s important here, and we all need to pay attention to, is that Mrs. Volesky has appeared. She, nearly a goddess of politics, according to some, should absorb your full attention here. Mrs. Volesky is like a unicorn apiary of sun dogs that appears only once every fullish moon.
grudznick is smitten with Mrs. Volesky. Sorry, Ron.
Edwin, given your strong opinion about abortion do you support South Dakota’s statutes that make an abortion contrary to South Dakota law 1st degree murder charges, and authorizes capital punishment as a penalty for the aborting woman (and anyone that aids, abets or advises her)?
For now the SCOTUS has ruled that the Constitution protects gay marriage in the same way that it protects inter-racial marriages, so the opinions of Presidents or political parties don’t seem to matter. This could change in the near future if Justice Thomas can convince a majority to overturn that constitutional ruling. If the SCOTUS does reverse that constituional right would you then also think it morally appropriate for the State to kill or imprison anyone that tries to marry someone of the same sex in South Dakota, as they are now authorized to do in the case of an unauthorized abortion? What about gay couples that only live together but do not marry, should they also be classified as criminals?
Who is this Grudz? You are too funny. Hey I just want to honor the wishes of my good friend GM. He was very close to the Kennedys and Bobby jr. George’s memory and Bobby will not only rebuild the Democrat party in SD, but will also do it nationwide. So SD Democrats , figure it out. Do you want to be irrelevant or do you want to change the world?
Mark Anderson………Did you bother to watch the video I linked? The point of the video was that Tucker Carlson has been the ONLY, and I emphasize ONLY person in the national press willing to stand up and say what is wrong with many issues. Personally I never watched the guy and only got reference to him when the lefty’s I do watch would mention a stance of his.
RFK doesn’t stand a chance because the propaganda machine and those that run it won’t allow him. P. has already pointed out how the press has handled and will handle RFK. Even with his flaws do you really think he can be worse than what we have?????? Or have had??????
I’m proud to say that I have abstained from voting for a presidential candidate in the last two elections. In fact the only reason I go to the polls in So Dak anymore is to vote on initiated and referred measures. Even though our state government has pretty much made them ineffectual.
I’m also proud to say that I voted for Ross Perot and would have voted for Nader if he had been on the ballot in this reddest of red states.Would likely have voted for a number of other fringe candidates if they ever ended up on the ballot in this state. I know, I know, no sense in voting for someone who can’t win……..Thought like that is exactly why we are in the mess we are in.
The night in 1983 before Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. was popped for heroin possession at Rapid City Regional Airport he was partying with us at Durty Nelly’s in the basement of the Franklin Hotel in Deadwood.
Kennedy sat with Pam Pearson Cleveland, Shelley, my wife at the time and myself at a booth near where Bill Walsh was tending his own bar: catholics on parade. Bobby bet me ten dollars I couldn’t eat a packet of saltine crackers in less than a minute without drinking. He laughed so hard while i tried to get those crackers down he spit beer across the table. I lost and bought the next round.
Great story, Larry. :0)
~ President Joe has had a successful presidency by many measures. He passed a blizzard of legislation, including more bipartisan bills than almost anybody expected, and managed both the pandemic and the West’s pro-Ukraine alliance. Democrats fared much better in the midterms than during Barack Obama’s first term or Bill Clinton’s.
Biden seems to understand where public opinion really is: left of center on economic issues, more moderate on many social issues.
“So everybody’s sort of saying, ‘Okay, yeah, he’s old. Big deal.’ There are advantages that come with age, as well as the downsides.” – NYTimes
BCB: RIP
A month ago I slipped on the ice and broke my arm.
It’s just too hard to type with one hand.
BCB. I oppose capital punishment. My hand is tired.
I had forgotten this but Mary Fitzgerald tweeted that John’s dad defended RFK, Jr. at his trial.
Here’s the archived story.
https://www.nytimes.com/1983/09/17/us/robert-kennedy-jr-faces-charge-of-heroin-possession-in-s-dakota.html
ON Ron DeSantis –
Three fourths of Republicans are opposed to teaching about sexual orientation or gender identity in schools but only 44% of them had a favorable view of DeSantis because of his fight with Disney after Disney former CEO spoke out against what DeSantis labeled the “Parental Rights in Education Bill”.
82% of Democrats and 63% of Republicans said they were LESS likely to support a candidate who backs laws designed to punish a company for its political or cultural stances. (Reuters)
You know P. Aitch, I think with news traveling so fast, and it doesn’t go away, its impossible for a DeSantis to run way to the right for the primarys, and then run back to the center for the general election. The Nixon strategy is useless now. The Republican Party will continue to lose votes. The Electoral College has been their only hope for a long time and those are thin odds.
Larry Kurtz, that sounds like a great night in 83.
You know Clyde, the only real way to move forward in our Democracy is to set up a system that gives power to the voters. Not the winner take all nonsense. I know as a Democrat I’ve always been in the minority in the states I’ve lived in. I’m sure Republicans in California feel the same. It can’t happen of course so your no compromise approach seems to aid the magas and whatever they will call fascists in the future. Robert Jr. has a few flaws? I would love to see him elected and then kill vaccinations. Break out the old iron lungs America. Being an anti vaxxer is believing in nonsense and lying about it too.
@Mark – Disney filed suit against DeSantis this morning for four offenses in trying to politically influence the business.
Edwin, sorry to hear about your accident and injury. I hope that you heal fast!
It is refreshing to see that we fully agree with each other on capital punishment as I too oppose giving State government officials the power to kill people, other than in self-defense or war. I suspect there may be many other principles we fully agree on.
I have been thinking about the idea that voting for Biden, because he is a Democrat, implicitly supports conduct that you find to be immoral, namely the right of a woman to decide whether to continue or abort a troubled pregnancy, and the right of two gay people to marry. This got me thinking about immoral conduct and the many things I think you and I would agree upon that are immoral, such as unnecessary killing, lying, cheating, hurting people, rape, child abuse, etc.
This lead me to an inquiry whether there is conduct that the Republican party supports that we both might consider immoral. Of course, we know that Donald Trump has engaged in almost every immoral act both you or I can think of, and that made me wonder whether the Republican party implicitly supported Trump’s past immoral conduct by making Trump the effective leader of the Republican party. I assume that you don’t think naming such a morally deficient inidividual to be the Republican party’s choice to be leader of the Country to be immoral, otherwise I doubt that you would support him based upon your values against implicitly supporting immoral conduct.
But then I realized that Democrats don’t implicitly support either the right of a woman to choose whether to continue or end a troubled pregnancy or the right of two gay people who love each other to marry, Democrats openly support those moral positions. And that might be why you feel you cannot vote for a Democrat. So I wondered if the Republican party openly support any conduct that we might agree is immoral. That brought me back to the death sentence, which, as indicated above, we both oppose and might even agree that we oppose it on moral grounds. I have often read, however, that the Republican party supports State killing of people outside of self-defense or war, i.e. the death penalty. I wanted to double check so I took a look at the online Republican party platform and found this statement on page 40:
https://prod-static.gop.com/media/Resolution_Platform.pdf?_ga=2.70270169.815676189.1682528359-604157423.1682528359
The “erosion of the right” to enact the death penalty that the SCOTUS has supported has been based on the Court’s interpretation of the 8th Amendment prohibition against cruel and unusual punishment. In the past various States enacted and implemented the death sentence to kill children, people who are insane, and people who are guilty of rape. The SCOTUS has eroded the power of the States to enact and empower such State killings. Thus, the Republican platform openly advocates returning power to States to kill children, insane people, and people convicted of rape. The SCOTUS has not yet ruled on whether a State, like South Dakota, has the power to kill a woman, her doctor, and all aiders, abetters, and advisors, for having or helping a woman have an abortion contrary to SD law, thus that sort of State killing is still permissible just as enacted by the SD Republican party.
Under the analysis that you described to conclude that voting for Biden, a Democrat, would implicitly support conduct you find immoral, I have to wonder whether the same analysis would be true, namely, that by voting for Trump, a Republican, you are implicitly supporting the Republican platform advocating permitting the State to kill children, insane people, rapists, and women that get abortions, assuming that you find such killing to be immoral.
Perhaps one might rank immorality so that State killing of children, women, and men for crimes is less immoral than permitting a woman to decide whether to continue or end a problem pregnancy, or permitting people gay people to marry each other? Maybe that might explain why someone would implicitly support the Republican platform regarding State killings?
Anyway I look forward to you views on this matter if you desire to consider it further once you arm heals and you can again comment comfortably. Get well soon.
Well, Mark Anderson, I see that you and I are not going to see eye to eye on anything so I am done dealing with you. Some others might be interested in these guys take on this up coming presidential election.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7Kna7Y12aE
As for me I can’t see that Biden is any better than Trump. Neither one will get my vote. Just the fact that Biden has seen to it that over 100,000 people have been killed in Ukraine is sickening.
Putin’s Russia is a Chinese client state so it’s ridiculous that some Americans believe resisting China’s influence in Ukraine is any different than supporting Taiwan.
Do you of rational mind and centered perspective wonder why Clyde posts extremist links to disinformation? Does he believe these things? Is he really a Putin ‘bot of which it’s been verified that at least two hundred are in place across the internet? Here’s the background and back story.
– There are several factors that can contribute to why people believe extremist podcasts and websites, including psychological, social and cultural factors. Some of the main psychological factors that can influence people to believe in extremist ideologies include:
1) Need for certainty: Sometimes people may find comfort in extremist groups that offer simple and absolutist explanations of complex social and political issues. They may feel overwhelmed by the complexity of the world and turn to extremist groups as a way of providing certainty and clarity.
2) Cognitive biases: People tend to interpret new information through the lens of their existing beliefs and values. This can lead to confirmation biases that cause them to selectively accept information that confirms their beliefs and dismiss information that challenges them.
3) Social identity: People may feel a strong sense of belonging and validation by being part of a group that shares their beliefs, values and identity. This can make it difficult for them to question or challenge the views of the group.
4) Emotional needs: People may be drawn to extremist groups because they provide them with a sense of purpose, meaning, and empowerment. This can be especially appealing to those who feel marginalized, disenfranchised or powerless.
5) Trauma: People who have experienced trauma or other types of psychological distress may be more vulnerable to extremist ideologies, as these ideologies offer a sense of control, identity and purpose.
Bottom Line – It’s important to note that there is no single cause or factor that can explain why someone may be drawn to extremist ideologies. It is a complex interplay of psychological, social, and cultural factors that vary from person to person.
It really is sad and even frightening that there isn’t a Republican forum in South Dakota where dissent is allowed.
BCB, without delving to deeply and keeping my comment short,
North Dakota is a very republican state, and abolished the death
penalty in 1973. There is a workaround where if someone is tried in
federal court the death penalty could come into play.
too deeply, age again
I think Joe Biden has done an excellent job of holding the country together, protecting the rights of minorities, having a strong and reasonable foreign policy, and being mindful of our economic viability. I also think he is too old to be President for a second term, but certainly, so is Trump. Trump is just ridiculous, the worst President since James Buchanan. He will drive the country to ruin and despair. The inability of the two major parties to give the voters an attractive, talented, and proficient group of candidates for the primary season potentially leads to chaos. Biden has shown that he can effectively govern and take necessary steps to turn down the heat and cancel out the advocates of chaos. Until someone better comes along, I’m sticking with Joe.
Edwin, good for North Dakota! Let’s hope that the currently Republican run ND doesn’t re-instate its death penalty. If the death penalty was repealed in1973 as you say, that would have been near the middle of the 20 year period of time when North Dakota continously was governed by Democrats from about 1960-1980.
https://www.history.nd.gov/ndhistory/politicrealign.html
Meanwhile, according to the Washington Post the National Death Penalty Information Center reports, however, that
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/12/16/death-penalty-states-republicans/ (unfortunately there may be a paywall if you are a non-subscriber)
And as noted previously, the official national Republican Party platform supports the power of these states to kill children, women, and men, regardless of the seriousness of whatever crime they may have committed, and kill people that have no mental capacity to understand what is happening to them. This Republican party platform would also support the power of South Dakota to kill women that have an unauthorized abortion, and kill any doctor, nurse, family member or friend that helps that woman obtain an unauthorized abortion.
Bottom line – voting for Biden and Democrats is a much stronger vote against authorizing States to kill people for any reason, while voting for Trump (who is a strong proponent of the death penalty) and Republicans is a vote to permit States to kill people for any reason, without interference by the SCOTUS’s contrary interpretations of the federal Constitution.
That brings back the moral question: which is morally more objectionable:
– voting for Trump as a Republican and implicitly supporting the power of the State to kill people for any reason the state chooses?
or
– voting for Biden as a Democrat and implicitly supporting both the right of a woman to choose whether to continue or terminate a problem pregnancy and the right of a person to marry someone he or she loves of the same sex?
Biden has been a big disappointment and it’s kind of sad that two old white guys with the most unpopular ratings are all that the Parties can offer. Gotta keep those Greedy Corporations going, dare we ever let a popular Progressive run and win the nomination. The DNC is making sure of that with no debates.
P. Aitch, your diatribe against my beliefs describe to a T your belief in what the US propaganda machine has fed YOU! Do some serious study on how all of this has gone down from even before the CIA sponsored coup of 2014 in Ukraine. Putin is no angel but the dying in Ukraine is at least equally due to the US involvement over there.
I haven’t got the time for this
You know that IMO, if the so called democracy we have in this country refuses to give you candidates worth having in office I think it is your duty to NOT vote for them. Seems forever that we are asked to choose the lesser of two evils while every election those evils become a little more evil. The percentage of Americans that vote continues to decline and will continue to decline as long as the powers that have taken over our democracy keep trotting out the same sort of candidates.
Fewer and fewer voters is a good thing for our democracy. It means that if we ever were to get a decent candidate that it wouldn’t take many voters to elect them!
This blind obedience to one of two parties is sick. Again, if neither will give us what we need they don’t deserve a vote.
Clyde defends Putin and tells Americans not to vote? Cites “blind obedience” as our problem. Hmmmm …..
BCB, the 20 period you mention when democrats were in power in North Dakota,
those democrats were pro life. The democrats of that era would likely be
considered republicans now. Don’t know the time period exactly, but the
names Senator Byron Dorgan, Senator Kent Konrad, and Rep. Earl Pomeroy
come to mind. All pro life, I believe. (they were called the three amigos)
20 year period, sorry again, I simply must rest
5. “Pro-life” is simply code for white people breeding. The extreme white wing of the Republican Party is driving the abolition of women’s rights because they’re wedded to the Great Replacement Hypothesis. African-Americans terminate pregnancies at about the same per capita rate as white people do but don’t take their jobs. Latinas, however, have fewer abortions per capita but the extreme white wing laments it’s hemorrhaging jobs to Latinos.
Voters don’t want Joe or Orange Julius to run leaving Liz Cheney a huge opening as an unaffiliated candidate.
https://www.cookpolitical.com/analysis/national/national-politics/get-ready-another-close-election
Edwin, for what it is worth, my research suggests that each of these three politicians had mixed records on votes relating to abortion issues. See e.g Senator Dorgan’s record and rating of “43% by NARAL (a pro-choice organization), indicating a mixed voting record on abortion,” and rating of “25% by the NRLC (a right to life organization), indicating a mixed record on abortion.”
http://www.issues2000.org/social/Byron_Dorgan_Abortion.htm
Meanwhile, the National Democratic platform in 1980 reportedly stated: “The Democratic Party supports the 1973 Supreme Court decision on abortion rights as the law of the land and opposes any constitutional amendment to restrict or overturn that decision.”
https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/1980-democratic-party-platform
I could find no links to voting records or public statements by any of the three politicians you identified indicating a disagreement with that platform. Rather, their records, at most, seemed to deal with permissible choices for States in regulating abortions within the guidelines of the Constitutioon as interpreted in Roe v. Wade. In my estimation any Republican with a similar voting record today would most likely be labeled a RINO, and perhaps even excluded from the Republican party altogether.
Imagine young Ms. Cheney as President, with her pa at her side.
A little more on this subject…..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-_4v8mamuo
2024 National Democratic Primary, Without Biden:
Harris 28%
Clinton 13%
Sanders 11%
Ocasio-Cortez 8%
Newsom 8%
Buttigieg 7%
Warren 5%
Kennedy 4%
Abrams 4%
Klobuchar 1%
Pritzker 1%