As reported in Axios, a new report from The Covid States Project finds growing support nationwide for coronavirus vaccine mandates. Researchers led by Matthew A. Baum of Harvard University surveyed 20,669 people from all 50 states and D.C. from June 9 through July 7, before the delta variant blew up our victory party. This survey found that support for requiring everyone to get vaccinated for covid-19 grew from 62% in their April–May survey to 64% in their June–July survey.
The researchers analyzed subgroups by sex, race, age, education, income, party, and urbanity and found that only one group fails to give majority support for community vaccine mandates: Republicans—and even their support rose three percentage points to 45%.
Republican-riddled South Dakota, North Dakota, and Wyoming are the only three states not quite at majority support for vaccine mandates yet:
Those three states plus Idaho and Arkansas are the only five where majorities do not support requiring children to get coronavirus vaccines to go back to school. Majorities in every state support requiring coronavirus vaccines to attend university or board an airplane.
Perhaps worth noting: this survey only quizzed 284 South Dakotans, leaving a margin of error of 6.8 percentage points. Our error ranges for the community mandate and both back-to-school mandates thus straddle the 50% mark, meaning it’s possible that majorities of South Dakotans disagree with their Governor on the wisdom of fighting this pandemic by requiring people to get their shots.
Related Reading: Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin is close to recommending that all active duty troops get covid vaccines.
You’re looking for a civil war, eh? That’s what you’re gonna get with a federal vaccine mandate.
Neal, get real. We have had vaccinations in this country since the Plymouth Colony vaccinated against smallpox. I’m not sure if the Pilgrim’s leaders required it, but the Mayflower Compact would have given them whatever authority they needed to make it mandatory. I’m not sure if the federal government has authority to mandate vaccines, but state laws provide for it. There is a long, long history in this country of mandated vaccines without incurring a civil war. I think the data show quite clearly that the older, and wiser you are, the more you don’t need a mandate. We need mandates for the young and dumb.
Neal, do you have a big ‘bang-bang’ you’re just ‘itching’ to use to make a point?
I, and half the country, would take up arms before we agree to be subjects in this authoritarian experiment.
Which may not be that bad of an outcome. Truth be told, I don’t want to share a country with you anymore. A peaceful separation would be preferable, but if blood must be shed, so be it.
There is no reconciling these differences.
Neal, are you really threatening armed insurrection over a vaccine mandate? Are you really saying you’d shoot and kill people rather than take a vaccine that would save lives? Are you really saying you’d rather start a civil war than beat a pandemic that’s killed 600,000 Americans?
Neal, are you going to go to Pierre and shoot our lawmakers for requiring children to get all those other shots to go to school? What’s the difference?
And dare I ask, Neal, as you threaten deadly violence and insurrection over a vaccine mandate, do you consider violent street protest over police murders of black men acceptable as well?
Neal, better hope you don’t get gut shot or a bleeder from shrapnel. What killed most in our own little experiment with Civil War, was disease and lack of medical care. In other words, make sure you save one bullet for yourself in the event something like that happens. Turkey Buzzards are gonna be full, hope they don’t get lead poisoning.
Oh Neal, if you look away and pinch your other hand, you won’t even feel it.
Or, we could simply keep dying like this family did… in 5 days. https://www.wagmtv.com/2021/08/01/i-feel-lost-fla-woman-loses-3-loved-ones-covid-19-5-days/
Youngest 35, what a preventable waste
Increasing now in our children ”
“State-level reports are the best publicly available and timely data on child COVID-19 cases in the United States. The American Academy of Pediatrics and the Children’s Hospital Association are collaborating to collect and share all publicly available data from states on child COVID-19 cases (definition of “child” case is based on varying age ranges reported across states; see report Appendix for details and links to all data sources).
As of July 29, nearly 4.2 million children have tested positive for COVID-19 since the onset of the pandemic. Almost 72,000 cases were added the past week, a substantial increase from the prior week, when about 39,000 cases were reported. After declining in early summer, child cases have steadily increased in July.” https://services.aap.org/en/pages/2019-novel-coronavirus-covid-19-infections/children-and-covid-19-state-level-data-report/
This Covid/Delta thingy needs to be lassoed in as it is a stampede now (it’s rodeo time).
Neal poses an interesting ethical dilemma:
– comply with a law he doesn’t like and suffer a shot to his arm that is purported to protect him and others from serious illness
or
– start murdering friends, family, and anyone tasked with enforcing the law that Neal objects to.
This ethical dilemma doesn’t seem quite as complicated as other ethical dilemmas, such as the trolley problem, but what do I know. Maybe cold blooded murder is consistent with values I don’t quite understand.
Neal, you’re not going to take up arms and live very long. I suspect you might have a handful of cult members on your suicide mission. If you want to die, please make it quick and easy. I suggest all you have all your cult members stand in a small circle and fire away.
Neal sounds like one of those “pro-life” conservatives, eh? Kill ’em if they don’t believe the same thing you do. I think he has his MAGAt hat on too tight!
Neal, if you are serious about “I don’t want to share a country with you anymore” as you said, then pack your bags and leave. Real patriots will stay & try to build a BETTER and more equitable country for our kids and families without you and your kind.
Better yet, think hard about your statements and change yourself…..
Neal, I hear that Tucker Carlson and Rod Dreher are over in Hungary and declaring it to be the ultimate conservative paradise. Maybe you could join them there. Or is life not worth living, even in conservative paradise, unless you can make the rest of us do what you want?
Eve said: “Or is life not worth living, even in conservative paradise, unless you can make the rest of us do what you want?”
You’re trying to force me to take an experimental vaccine. I’m not trying to make you do anything. Why is this so difficult for you to understand?
Jake said: “Neal, if you are serious about “I don’t want to share a country with you anymore” as you said, then pack your bags and leave.”
I don’t have to leave. Most South Daktoans agree with me. There will be no state-mandated vaccine here.
This is likely why you and most of the others have already left, which is perfectly fine. The states were designed to have their own individual identity — to be “laboratories of democracy.” I’m where I belong. You should be in NYC or something like that.
Loren said: “Neal sounds like one of those “pro-life” conservatives, eh? Kill ’em if they don’t believe the same thing you do.”
You’re making the same mistake Eve is making. I’m not telling you or anyone else how to live, or what to believe, and I’m not trying to kill anyone — until they come to my door with needles and the power of the state behind them.
Donald Pay said: “I suspect you might have a handful of cult members on your suicide mission.”
You dramatically underestimate the support for my position, which I suppose is understandable in the echo chamber here, but out in the real world, it’s pretty much 50/50 on this.
But this is good — I want to be underestimated. I want you to be unprepared for the pushback.
bcb said: “Maybe cold blooded murder is consistent with values I don’t quite understand.”
There’s nothing cold blooded about responding in kind to tyranny and authoritarianism.
I think you understand my values, you just don’t agree, which is fine. Hence my desire for formal separation with respect to national identity. You can have your country and I’ll have mine.
Cory said: “Are you really saying you’d rather start a civil war than beat a pandemic that’s killed 600,000 Americans?”
No, you’ll be starting it, I’ll be responding with appropriate force.
If Neal obeys traffic laws and pays taxes, he is a hypocrite of the fifth essence. South Dakota and the rest of magat land is full of them.
Neal, again, your moral calculus appears to be lacking. The proper response to a law you don’t like is to campaign to repeal that law, either legislatively or judicially. Since you appear to acknowledge that you could not win at the ballot box (and majority support for vaccine mandates supports that position) and that you could not win a court challenge against a vaccine mandate (see yesterday’s post in the 7th Circuit’s ruling on the constitutionality of university vaccinations to point us in that direction), you appear to be seeing, “Forget the Constitution. Forget the rule of law. Forget the Union. If I don’t like one law, I will start killing people.”
Is that really the position you want to take, Neal?
And Neal, you have failed to respond to my other relevant questions about why you haven’t taken up arms against requirements that children get vaccines before going to school or about whether you reject violent protest against the actual state killing (not merely injection with a drug for the sake of public health, but murder) of black men?
Well..Neal..in the words of Thomas Aquinas “Beware of your prayers…they may be answered.”
Neal, you are forcing others to do something. You are forcing others to face an unnecessary risk of infection by refusing to take a vaccine proven to reduce the spread and severity of coronavirus.
You also cannot hang you claim of justified murderous rebellion on the notion that a mandate would force you to take an “experimental” vaccine. That statement was false months ago, when Reuters fact-checked it:
To further destroy this “experimental” claim, refer to this explanation I cited just a few days ago to refute similar bushwah:
So it’s not an experimental vaccine, Neal. It works. Senator Mike Rounds himself has said the coronavirus vaccine is safe, effective, and necessary.
Neal, if we do mandate coronavirus vaccines, will you shoot Senator Rounds, too? Can you identify all of your targets for murder, Neal? Will you shoot any elected official who votes for such a mandate? Will you come kill me simply for advocating a mandate? And does your threat to kill me apply only if such a mandate is enacted, or is the threat of a mandate so terrible that you can justify killing me now in order to reduce the chances of enactment?
Neal, will you go to a clinic and shoot the doctors and nurses administering the vaccine? Would you stand outside the clinic and aim your gun at civilians to deter them from getting the vaccine? Would you shoot anyone who tried to push past you to get the vaccine?
Or, in the far greater likelihood that, instead of requiring American to get a vaccine, we simply require vaccines to travel, work, or go to school, Neal, will you settle for simply staying home and staying away from the rest of us instead of coming out with you guns a’blazing to kill all of us?
Neal, you and you fellow extremists like to talk big, as if you are re-enacting the Civil War, but if you’re going to literally threaten armed rebellion, you need to think through the moral case you are making. We’re still waiting for you to make that case.
Whom will you shoot, Neal, and why?
To put the moral case in a nutshell, a majority of Americans would support mandating coronavirus vaccines in order to save lives. Neal supports destroying lives, because he justifies his selfishness with at best ignorance, at worst a lie.
“You’ll be starting it, I’ll be responding with appropriate force.”
Translation: If you try to pass this law, I will kill you and the people you love.
Spoken like a true hostage taker, just like the traitors who lost the election and tried to install their preferred leader by force.
Ah, I get it Neal. Under your paricular moral code if we elect representatives and the representatives pass laws we don’t like, then we can simply refuse to obey those laws, and if our police force attempts to enforce those laws, then that meets your definition of “tyranny and authoritarianism,” which in turn constitutes your personal moral justiciation for killing anyone attempting to enforce the laws that our elected representatives have passed.
This would make sense if anarchy is your goal. But I wonder, do you expect other people to obey the laws that you like but they disagree with? If so, it would seem that the system you follow might just be a bit more tyrannical and authoritative than a representative democracy where everyone is expected to obey laws, including those they might disagree with.
Also, refusal to obey seems an appropriate response to any objectionable law, sort of like Rosa Parks did. But it would seem your moral compass would have put a gun in Rosa’s hand and encouraged her to kiill the bus driver and anyone else attempting to enforce that particular unjust law. Am I right?
Come on everyone, leave the beta boy alone, can’t you see he’s afraid of the needle?
The divide in America is between those who apprehend facts and apply a mature intelligence and those who cling to a juvenile belligerence of the “no one tells ME what to do” kind.
The argument that “You’re trying to force me to take an experimental vaccine. I’m not trying to make you do anything” is interesting, especially considering exactly what that means. Forcing people to take vaccines is aimed at protecting others from harm, just like traffic laws, laws against negligence, carelessness and recklessness, and any law designed to protect members of society from some harm.
Refusing to take a vaccine, experimental or otherwise, like disobeying traffic laws, has been found to be endangering other members of society by remaining a candidate to spread a disease that has killed and injured many people. The idea that by disobeying laws designed to protect others from harm can be justified by a “I’m not trying to make you do anything” rationale would seem to apply to virtually every other civil, criminal and environmental law that someone doesn’t want to obey. I guess that brings us back to anarchy, unless, of course, Neal thinks everyone else should obey all the laws he personally likes (again a form of tryanny and authoritarianism – laws apply only to others, not to Neal)
Neal is insignificant.
I learned this method from organized crime and I’ll leave it at that.
Coercion 101: Determine the group the person you want to persuade cares about and explain to them how their actions are harming their chosen allies.
Coercion 201: Threaten to “inconvenience” or harm that group, should the person not do as they’re told.
Coercion 301: Initiate 201.
Example Given: There’s a B21 Raider strategic bomber deployment scheduled for Ellsworth AFB that might need congressional re-evaluation if Governor Noem’s stubborn and selfish position on mass vaccination mandates doesn’t change.
– It’s common for federal funds to withheld from states that won’t follow safety guidelines, which the American majority deem a public priority.
e.g. Federal highway maintenance funds withheld from states that didn’t reduce speed limits, during oil shortages.
PS … Neal’s too cowardly to take up anything and threaten anyone with it.
He’s even afraid to use his last name.
I have a friend named Neal, spelled the same way.
He told me once how rare the spelling is and mentioned how often people misspell it as Neil.
Neal Tapio is still Neal Tapio.
Same rhetoric and same cowardice.
How can a city mandate rabie shots for dogs but a country can’t mandate vaccines for it’s citizens? Some of you would not be here today had your forefathers skipped their shots. Diseases have wiped out whole tribes and you still haven’t learned. Must not be reading real history.
I always ask where people get their information and of course if it’s FaceBook, Info Wars, Fox News, or many local stations then there is no point in discussing anything else. For those who can’t have the vaccine because of health issues, I understand and empathize.
The variants of covid will mutate, become stronger, and spread quicker. Play Russian Roulette with your own life and then please isolate yourself from the public. We have the right to be safe from your risky behaviors. Must not have learned how to respect your forefathers for their sacrifices, which makes your refusing a shot look childish.
In case you’re wondering who Neal is.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neal_Tapio
I just hope “Neal’ isn’t someone I’m related to by marriage. Could be , tho. But, if so, Neal, drink yourself silly on bourbon or whatever, and don’t ya think you have a ‘right’ to get on your cycle and ride like 70 plus mph thru a 4-way stop sign-just because of ‘who’ you are? Hmmmm???? Sooooo stupid!
Joe, mebbe I’ll sleep better knowing I’m not related! Tapio sounds (reads) more true. Seeing his credentials gives rise to the belief in “Those you associate with are who you will become!”
So Neal, nothing but ‘crickets’ from your corner after all your tough GOP talk-hate to get political, but you set the tone, bud!
Neal, maybe it’s time for you to go into hibernation? OK, I understand.
Jake said: “So Neal, nothing but ‘crickets’ from your corner after all your tough GOP talk-hate to get political, but you set the tone, bud!”
Sorry, been doing real world things. You might not understand. I’ll respond to as much as I can. Except Porter, he’s a buffoon.
Cory said: “Neal, again, your moral calculus appears to be lacking. The proper response to a law you don’t like is to campaign to repeal that law, either legislatively or judicially.”
MLK would disagree.
“One has not only a legal but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws.” — Martin Luther King Jr in his Letter from a Birmingham Jail
But really a lot of it depends on the origin of the law. There’s a difference in legitimacy between laws that come through traditional legislative channels (the legislature passing a law and the executive signing it), and laws that are enacted through executive or administrative order. I really don’t think there’s a chance the federal congress passes a law mandating vaccines, but I absolutely can see Biden or one of this agencies doing so (much like the CDC’s order to suspend evictions, which is clearly beyond the scope of its authority).
The former is unlikely to the point of being not worth discussing. The latter would be pure tyranny, with force as an appropriate response.
As far as the states go, I believe they have the authority to mandate vaccines. If the state I lived in did such a thing, I’d leave. Fortunately I don’t have to worry about that here.
Cory said: “Neal, you are forcing others to do something. You are forcing others to face an unnecessary risk of infection by refusing to take a vaccine proven to reduce the spread and severity of coronavirus.”
This way of thinking is precisely what I want to formally disassociate myself from. If you don’t like the risks that come with living in the world, stay home. That’s your choice. You don’t have the right to force me to inject experimental drugs made by corrupt pharmaceutical companies just to minimize your own (minuscule) risk and (unreasonable) fear. You can take the vaccine for that and wear your mask and bathe in antibacterial gel for all I care.
Cory said: “Whom will you shoot, Neal, and why?”
I already answered that you melodramatic fruitcake, before your parade of silly questions. “I’m not trying to kill anyone — until they come to my door with needles and the power of the state behind them.”
The use of force is absolutely wrong in response to a contested executive or regulatory agency order. The permissible responses include court challenges, peaceful protests, and the exercise of first amendment rights. The recent CDC order for a continued moratorium on evictions is being challenged in court already.
bcb said: “But it would seem your moral compass would have put a gun in Rosa’s hand and encouraged her to kiil the bus driver and anyone else attempting to enforce that particular unjust law. Am I right?”
No one was trying to forcibly poison Rosa Parks.
“Forcing people to take vaccines is aimed at protecting others from harm, just like traffic laws, laws against negligence, carelessness and recklessness, and any law designed to protect members of society from some harm.”
I don’t accept the analogy. None of the laws you cite involve forcible injection of experimental drugs. All of the laws you cite involve reasonable regulations of privileges such as driving or public education.
There is no privilege at issue when a govt agent shows up at my door with the needles and guns.
Listen, Epstein didn’t kill himself, Covid came from a lab, the pharmaceutical companies are corrupt, the “science” is agenda driven, and the government is untrustworthy. Strike 5, you’re out.
Cory said: “Or, in the far greater likelihood that, instead of requiring American to get a vaccine, we simply require vaccines to travel, work, or go to school, Neal, will you settle for simply staying home and staying away from the rest of us instead of coming out with you guns a’blazing to kill all of us?”
Yes, I can live with this.
Neal already got his covid shots, just like Tucker Carlson and the rest of the phony baloneys, John Dale too. No one gives a twit that you all did, but please, carry on. No wonder a bigger looser like Shoenbeck beat you like a piñata Head on to Sturgis bud and share some close contact, show us all that gusto.
Anne said: “The divide in America is between those who apprehend facts and apply a mature intelligence and those who cling to a juvenile belligerence of the “no one tells ME what to do” kind.”
No, the divide is between “safety” and freedom — and our differing views on government’s role in providing for both of these things.
Neal attempts to justify his threats of violence and revolution with the assertions: “No one was trying to forcibly poison Rosa Parks” and “None of the laws you cite involve forcible injection of experimental drugs.”
Currently available evidence seems to overwhelmingly reject any notion that any government official has proposed Covid vaccination laws in an effort to “forcibily poison” anyone or “experiment” on anyone, whether Congress acting through legislation, or the executive branch exercising whatever authority Congress has explicitly or implicitly delegated regarding public safety and vaccination laws.
Indeed, if such a belief was based on actual credible evidence, rather than a mere disagreement with the the overwhelming available evidence that the vaccine saves lives, then Neal would face a genuine moral dilemma. For example, we now have credible evidence that the 1930’s & 40’s Nazi government enacted laws requiring the capture, imprisonment, experimentation, and execution of people that particular government deemed unworthy. That reality certainly provided a moral justification for resisting such laws with force, including revolution.
But if Neal holds the delusional belief that U.S. governmental officials currently are in fact enacting laws designed to “poison” or “experiment on” the entire population, then Neal’s dangerous threats of violence are an understandable response to such delusional thinking. Fortunately. there simply is no credible evidence supporting such a belief at this point in time. Unfortunately, there is evidence that too many individuals have acted out with violence and murder due to delusional thoughts, which seems to suggest Neal’s comments deserve to be taken seriously.
Neal is an antagonist. Don’t waste any more space on him. Get to the real issues and leave this idiot behind.
M has it right. In the battle of wits and intellect, Neal is totally unarmed, hence defenseless. Those attacking his stupidity and lack of reasoning, are just wasting your time. The more he is challenged the more firmly entrenched will be his rapidly dwindling lack of reasoning. . Work to help those who want to be helped and have not stepped in the mental quicksand already.
I am a devout Christian and conservation Republican. I fully support mandated vaccinations, unless there is a definitive medical or psychological impairment that would create further harm to the individual. There is a major pandemic worldwide – fact. Who cares how it came about, who started what, where it developed, etc. Let’s problem-solve this threat once and for all. This is about humanity. We need community-minded thinking and respect.
Oh Neal, you melodramatic beta boy, has anyone shown up at your door with needles and a gun or even an album of the rolling stones. I’m glad my vote cancels yours out and theirs alot more of me than you in America. It’s not 50/50, that’s for sure. I’m simply a Florida boy that stands his ground. Have a nice day.
We need to ask the question whether our school boards and principals care more for our children’s’ health or cow-towing to noem’s illegal anti-mask mandate.