Knowing they can’t win on South Dakota issues or their personalities, Republicans are desperate to make South Dakota’s 2018 election about national issues that our Governor, Attorney General, and Legislature can’t do much if anything about but for which Fox News provides prefab talking points and free top-of-mind reinforcement.
My opponent in the District 3 Senate race tried to recover from his racist advocacy for an unconstitutional and unworkable refugee ban by begging me to make our State Senate campaign all about immigration. Republicans think they have a potent Trumpist issue there, I’ll keep talking about a broad range of actual practical policies that are within the South Dakota Legislature’s bailiwick and on which we can make a real, positive difference for all South Dakotans.
I’ll also remind my neighbors, all of whom either immigrated here or descended from folks who did, that immigrants are doing more than their fair share of the work that keeps South Dakota in business:
While roughly 3 percent of South Dakota’s population was born in another country, foreign-born residents support the state’s economy across sectors. Immigrants make up a critical share of the state’s labor force; 12 percent of all residents working in the manufacturing industry, for example, are immigrants, as are over 10 percent of the state’s building maintenance workers and groundskeepers.
…18,398 immigrant workers comprised 4.1 percent of the labor force in 2015 [American Immigration Council, Fact Sheet: “Immigrants in South Dakota,” 2017.10.16].
Keep up the good work, neighbors! I’ll try to keep the Legislature off your back.
You bring up Trump all of the time Cory.
NIce double standard you have.
More than 3,000 U.S. citizens in South Dakota live with at least one family member who is undocumented.
In 2014, approximately 5,000 undocumented immigrants comprised 21 percent of the immigrant population, or a fraction of the total state population at 0.6 percent.
https://americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/immigrants-in-south-dakota
We all know that’s a low estimate.
As usual Cory doesn’t draw a distinction between immigrant, illegal immigrants, and refugees.
I work in a factory in Mitchell, the pay isn’t the greatest, but it’s honest work. I would estimate that 40 to 50 percent of our workforce is immigrants. If it weren’t for them we would close down. The company strictly complies with hiring regulations and if I’m completely honest I’ll admit the immigrants out work the rest of us daily. The other commenter on here mentions you bringing up Trump, I say how can you not? His rhetoric about immigrants affects all of our thinking on the situation local, state, or federal. Try looking at how it would be if it weren’t for these hardworking people? I’m proud to know my coworkers and happily welcome them into my circle of life, others should try it.
Crazy that fewer than 80% of immigrants in this state are here legally. Didn’t expect that.
But then, Jason, I tie mentions of Trump to actual fact and policy in South Dakota, to show that your mentions of Trump’s virtues are distractions from the real damage that Trumpist policy is doing to South Dakota.
We do not “all know” that any stat is a low estimate. You are trying to assert greater magnitude to a number than is supported by the evidence. Your distraction factor also does not change the main point of the report: immigrants are a net good for our state’s economy and our nation’s economy.
Pardon me Jason, you referred to human beings as” Illegal”. The proper term is undocumented.
I am aware of the tactics that Cory’s opponent plays. He uses Immigration as a weapon to rally people to hate Refugees/Immigrants. As an elected official he should be serious about matters that affect our everyday live. Introducing divisive and hateful pieces of bills is not unifying. We should all welcome newcomers and show them that Americans are generous just like their descendants from many parts of the world who came to the New World to start afresh.
Good one Clara.
Nothing new here. Yet a welcome reminder. New arrivals ALWAYS collectively strive and work harder than status quo bound folks – whether new now – or our formerly new forebears. My grandfather loathed his ‘mere laborer’ father. Yet, that labor, and the example of it, despite his dying when my grandfather was a child, likely motivated from the grave, my grandfather to earn his PhD during the height of the Great Depression. First and second generation immigrants always out-pace the achievements of ner-do-wells who get too early comfortable.
Haha – you wordsmiths are funny.
Clara, do you think calling somebody an illegal immigrant is different than calling them an undocumented immigrant? What “documents” does that title refer to? Legal documents? Do you think people who are in our country without property authority to be here have any “documents” back in their home country? Probably. So are they really “undocumented” or are they just here illegally? Which word is actually more accurate?
I agree that “We should all welcome newcomers and show them that Americans are generous just like their descendants from many parts of the world who came to the New World to start afresh.” But you don’t mean to just let every person who wants to be here come here, no questions asked, do you? There should be a process for immigration, right? Like rules? Like laws? So if somebody circumvents those laws, they would be…immigrants who are here illegally, correct? So…illegal immigrants…? They probably have many documents, so they likely aren’t “undocumented.” Just sayin.
So Ryan, do you call people who have committed traffic offenses “illegal” drivers? How about folks who commit the class 1 misdemeanor of failing to file a use tax return for internet purchases, do you call them “illegal” shoppers?
If not, what is the difference between these people and immigrants who have committed the misdemeanor of crossing the border without papers? And how about those immigrants that have not complied with the administrative requirement to renew a visa, which is not a crime at all?
I don’t know what your motive is to treat these groups different with your language, but it appears that many who advocate such names have the motive of diminishing the humanity of immigrants to justify using government resources (think ICE) to aggressively seperate families (indeed, moving money from FEMA to increase the ability of ICE to go into homes and workplaces and “round em up”), and disrupting the lives of people minding their own business by living here and working here without “papers.” Calling these folks derogatory names makes it just a bit easier to close one’s eyes to the pain caused to otherwise innocent men, women and children of a different race or national origin.
I am totally with Clara on this matter. There is absolutely no need or positive benefit in calling anyone “illegal.” It is simply a euphanism for racism and xenophobia.
Ryan. What’s the difference between me calling you a “half-educated haybilly” and calling you an “uninformed responder”? The difference is your self-esteem. Yours is in the gutter as shown by your selfish, lack of personal acceptance of humanity at large.
So are they really “undocumented” or are they just here illegally? Which word is actually more accurate?
Their act of being here may be illegal, but that does not make the person illegal. I thought bcb spelled this out clear enough everyone could get the point. I was wrong, apparently.
Speaking of legal documents, why does Drumpf prevent Americans living close to the border to get passports? Aren’t their legal documen6ts legal enough for an out of control gubmint?
As I have frequently argued, calling people “illegal” results in dehumanization of those people. Here is an opinion piece by Richard North Patterson in today’s Huffpost that makes my case much better than I can. It is worth reading and thinking about before deciding to call others dehumanizing names.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/opinion-trump-child-separation-policy_us_5bc61c82e4b0d38b587255da
Bear, your opinion is noted, but the US is a Country based on laws.
Section 1252(c) of the “Aliens and Nationality” laws is titled: “Authorizing State and local law enforcement officials to arrest and detain certain illegal aliens.” The section authorizes state and local law enforcement officials “to arrest and detain an individual who— (1) is an alien illegally present in the United States; and (2) has previously been convicted of a felony in the United States and deported or left the United States after such conviction.”
Before my comment to Clara, I had never referred to anybody as either an illegal immigrant or undocumented immigrant, so enough already with all you people who act like this is some catch phrase I coined. I don’t even have a strong opinion about our immigration laws. I personally have no problem with people being in this country “illegally” because 90% of people in this country break laws every day so I don’t think that breaking every law is a big deal.
I was merely calling out a silly comment. The two words mean the same thing. I don’t believe in picking a word that is inaccurate just to make a few uppity cry-babies feel better. We are describing a person who is in the country without having followed the proper “legal” channels to be here. The words illegal and undocumented are just words. You want to say undocumented instead of illegal, fine. Be my guest. But you want to tell other people that they are wrong by accurately describing a person’s immigration status? Get real.
bcb said “There is absolutely no need or positive benefit in calling anyone “illegal.”” but I would counter that with there being no need or positive benefit in calling anyone an “undocumented immigrant” either.
fart-sniffing porter again raises the issue of my education level. The number of college degrees hanging on my wall has nothing to do with the conversation, but since you are dying to know, there are 3. As for my self esteem, it’s rock solid.
and mike, let me really hammer this point home: you said “Their act of being here may be illegal, but that does not make the person illegal.” The SAME THING goes for them not having immigration documents. That doesn’t mean they are “UNDOCUMENTED” you idiot. We are using one or two short words to describe a longer and more complex concept.
How about I just cry everytime you folks are less-than exhaustive in your description of everything. It’s not proper to call somebody “undocumented” because that’s presumptive and narrow-minded. You have to say this each and every time “a human being who lacks the authority to reside within the borders of the United States of America or its territories.”
Otherwise, you are being elitist, like fart-sniffing porter.
Hey 3 degree moron, a human being who lacks the authority to reside within the borders of the United States of America or its territories.”
We call them asylum seekers and they are entitled by treaty to safe conduct no matter where they entered. They are entitled to a hearing to determine if they are entitled to asylum.
You and yer orange butted buddy in the Kremlin Annex are stopping these people from entering.
mike, are you suggesting that it is impossible for a person to unlawfully reside in the united states?
You might not be the dumbest person on the planet, but you better hope porter doesn’t die.
And I just said I could care less if people come here from other places against the law. I’m not stopping anybody from entering anywhere. I’m merely arguing about “good” words and “bad” words. I support open borders. Go apologize to the trees that made that oxygen you keep wasting.
Why do you assume everyone you disagree with is a trump supporter? I voted for hillary, you blank slate.
blank slate? That cuts to the bone, meanie. I guess the gloves have come off.
that a boy, mike, say and do nothing of value, ever.
Lyin’ Ryan … I was talking to Miranda/Jason but now that you interrupted I’ll assert that you don’t have three collegiate degrees. If you do, let’s see a photo with your name on them so I can verify. Otherwise STFU.
Ryan, you seem a bit defensive. My comment must have touched a nerve. I didn’t say or imply you “coined” the term. Indeed, I did not attribute any particular motive to you in using the term. I simply pointed out that calling people such names is a harmful and irrational practice.
I suppose calling a black person the N word also accurately describes that person to those who know what the N word represents. Same with every other derogatory epitaph used to refer to Native Americans, Hispanics, Asians, or any other ethic group or nationality. To me using such dehumanizing terms to describe other human beings is worth challenging.
I am not sure how that makes me, or people who agree with this view, “crybabies,” “idiots,” “elitist,” or “fart sniffing.” Use of such derogatory epitaphs reflects poorly on those who depend on such language, rather than evidencing any rational or even thoughtful consideration of the potential harm to others.
And while attempting to use language in a positive manner may not be your priority, refraining in using language that causes pain to the people you label seems worthwhile goal.
Finally, I too am not a big fan of calling people “undocumented,” although that term seems much less denigrating than calling them “illegal.” I see no real need to call people anything other than “people,” and if you wish to focus on immigration status, why not just discuss the law and its application, rather than singling out the people adversely affected with any label? We don’t seem to need a special derogatory name to discuss people accused of other misdemeanors or administrative non-compliance.
Lyin’ Ryan … It’s apparent that you feel so ashamed of the life mistakes you’ve chosen that you need to find someone … anyone to demean. You’re trying to give yourself even a teeny-tiny bit of dignity and superiority. Sorry, loser. You’re a low life and castigating hard working immigrants only makes you look even more personally pathetic.
porter, your comment starts by calling me by name. I should have known, since you are wrong all the time, that you meant somebody else when you used my name. As for my degrees, there really are 3. And I’m not even fudging and pretending that my high school diploma or my numerous certificates are degrees. I meant real degrees. With real letters. From real Universities. Not even Universities with a city in their name – I mean the heavy duty ones with tenured professors and old old stone buildings. You make me wish I had more hands and more middle fingers, I’d text you a picture in front of each one with my fart-sniffer salute, just for you.
Then e-mail me a photo of your degrees.
bcb – i am often accused of acting defensively. I don’t feel particularly defensive, but it is said often enough I can’t dismiss it. I don’t think of you as a “crybaby,” “idiot,” “elitist,” or “fart sniffer.” That was directed at porter and mike who jump to extremes with me quite fast, and I am happy to play along.
You reference the N word. I think the main difference is that is a word without meaning. Illegal means something real. Undocumented means something real. When determining which word applies to a person here unlawfully, I think illegal is the better word.
I don’t think people here unlawfully are bad people. I think they should be able to stay and work and live and be happy. I just happened to be born here, I don’t think I’m better than anybody who just happened to be born on the other side of some imaginary line between this country and another country. My entire comment was directed at Clara’s preference over a soft and baloney word as opposed to a real and accurate word for the purpose of saving somebody’s feelings. What if we had to use soft words to describe every crime because we don’t want to hurt a criminal’s feelings? When a person unlawfully takes money from a bank, would that be called an undocumented withdrawal? When somebody steals from their parents, is that an undocumented inheritance? No. It’s stealing. It’s illegal. Even if the guy who stole was poor and he stole so he could feed his starving kids. Stealing is illegal. So, I’m just not a fan of calling something by words that aren’t accurate, even if somebody’s feelings get hurt. Words matter, ask Cory.
wrong again, porter. Show me one time I have castigated any immigrant and I’ll email you from my corner office a big beautiful picture of me and all my credentials. You would probably want me to be artfully nude, but I’ll keep my clothes on.
You accidentally got one thing right, though, I am definitely a low life. Granted, your definition and mine might not be perfectly synced up, but I’m a total piece of sh!t. If you only knew, sister. At least I’m genuine, though. I’m really me. You and I are each going to die one of these days, and you will have lived your whole life doing what you think other people expect you to do. I will have lived, man.
“It’s illegal. Even if the guy who stole was poor and he stole so he could feed his starving kids.” is castigation of New Americans. phlfour@gmail.com
Super creative email address, but you just can’t catch a break, huh?
First, I created that hypothetical poor “guy” who steals to feed his starving kids, and he isn’t an immigrant. Second, “castigate” is a verb meaning to reprimand severely. Stating an unpleasant truth is not castigation. I have reprimanded no immigrants, only you, mike, and deebo.
You don’t have the right to judge your own actions in this challenge. You continually reprimand immigrants for breaking the law when they have every right to be here. No one is illegal or guilty until they’ve had their day in court. P.U.S. (pay up, sucker)
I can do anything I want, I created the challenge. You’re playing my game, tiny dancer.
However, I agree to a mediator. If bcb accepts, he can judge any example you give him. It must be a direct quote from me. It must be what you accuse me of: severely reprimanding an immigrant. Go on.
So while Ryan was out sightseeing around the barn the cats all died. Starvation or sheer boredom don’t make no difference to a dead cat.
I’m calling the SPCA.
The tenth caller who can decipher mike’s newest riddle wins tickets to the air show, featuring the blue angels and all the hot air between mike’s ears.
Now, Ryan. Tell us you went to University of Chicago. Hmmmmm?
Back up your accusation with facts and find out.
Gotcha. I knew you couldn’t stay away. You just changed your name. Did someone call you a coward? lol
Wrong again. Still always just been ryan. And you’re quick to throw around the word coward for a lil fella balking at defending his own words. You must be one of those “men” whose word isn’t worth anything, huh? Probably got a timid, limp handshake, too.
Ryan, I agree with almost all of your comment addressed to me. I quarrel with one argument of your comment, and I fear that you have not carefully considered two additional negative aspects of using the term to label others since your comment has not addressed them.
First, I do not think the term “illegal” immigrant is an accurate use of the word “illegal.” From my perspective the term “illegal” describes an act or behavior. It does not describe a person. A person can commit an “illegal” act, or be accused of the same, but there is no such thing as an “illegal” person. And the term “immigrant” references a person and that person’s origin, rather than an act. The term immigrate describes an act. So I might illegally immigrate, but that cannot transform me into an “illegal” immigrant. Hence, using the term to describe a person rather than an act seems incorrect as a matter of grammer or usage. As I have previously noted, we call no other person guilty of, or accused of, a crime “illegal.”
Second, while you defend your motives in using the term, I think you have overlooked (or possibly don’t particularly worry about) how the label affects those who are called “illegal.” I do not believe people who are called “illegal” see that as a positive reflection of how others perceive them. This can adversely affect the self esteem and happiness of young people and children in unfortunate and, hopefully, unintended ways. To me, that is reason enough to refrain from using the term to label people.
And lastly, not everyone, especially young non-immigrant people are as grounded as you seem to be. While you may not see the term as degrading people, I posit that too many folks, especially young impressionable folks, who read, or hear, your comments, or similar comments from people they look up to, may not be well grounded yet and interpret the comments as meaning people so labeled are less than human or worthless. They can hear a much more negative, and even hateful, context from the term than you might intend to convey when you use it to label others. That is the second half of the perhaps unintended adverse consequence I fear can too easily result from making such a term part of anyone’s everyday language.
Thus, my two issues are: (1) people cannot be illegal, hence the word doesn’t properly fit; and (2) using this terms inflicts unnecessary harm upon other people, such as impressionable and self-doubting people, especially youngsters, including those labeled and those who are exposed to the labeling of others by people they admire or respect.
bcb – I acknowledge that the words illegal and immigrant are not perfect descriptors, however this whole conversation started when illegal was deemed improper and undocumented deemed proper. I merely suggested that of the two words, illegal seems more accurate, even if only in a pedantic way.
Second, I can sympathize with an underdog feeling oppressed, but I don’t worry that my message might be received poorly by impressionable young folks because I say illegal instead of undocumented because my opinion is inclusive – let everyone who wants to be here be here. Lots of people chanting Build the Wall probably use the word undocumented, but I doubt our immigrant neighbors give those fools any credit for their word choices.
Ryan said, “I don’t worry that my message might be received poorly by impressionable young folks because I say illegal instead of undocumented because my opinion is inclusive.”
I wish you would Ryan. I leave the argument about word definitions and usage to you and BCB, but “impressionable young folks”, especially children, hear nearly all adult language as authoritative and such words have a powerful effect on them.
In my years of working with children, they have taught me over and over again that blows heal fairly quickly. The pain of words that feel denigrating last a lifetime, really. What we say about them sears their souls and it’s heartbreaking.
Don’t worry, I don’t communicate with young people of any variety so their souls are safe from my searing words.
On a related note, don’t you still use the word “color” when referring to folks with darker skin than you? Like you’re archie bunker or something haha
But those younger people certainly overhear you.
The term is People of Color, usually shortened to POC.
Man, I am glad I hadn’t read this article until now “My opponent in the District 3 Senate race tried to recover from his racist advocacy”. That is so low. What a load of crap. It is disgusting people who decide, in their white world or Aberdeen, they can decide who is racist and who is not. That is purely reflective of someone that is, in fact, actually racist since they cannot get past the color of someone’s skin. Disgusted
My bet, the majority of you even posting don’t even know a person who is the member of an actual minority group much less have the intellectual ability to determine what the word racist even means. God knows Cory doesn’t. . . he’s a white man in a white school located in a white town. A minority to him is the grocery line with the fewest people.
So Russian, how long have you been a Black man?
OldSimpleton is a Lakota culture expurt.
My bad, I thought the Russian was professing to be Black. I should have asked “Russian, How long have you been a Native man?” Russian, what federally recognized tribe are you enrolled in?
Whether they reside legally in the country or not, whatever term we settle on to describe those who lack the documents that would permit them to remain in the United States, immigrants are a large and vital portion of South Dakota’s workforce. The biggest ag operations promoted by our Republican state government—hog CAFOs, mega-dairies, the beef plant here in Aberdeen—depend on workers who come from elsewhere. We need to make these hard-working newcomers welcome and invite them to participate in all aspects of the life of the community they are keeping alive.
Jerry~ Actually they should change the name of your party from Democrat to “Black Face” as you are all a bunch of white people acting like you understand minorities to the point to justify your calling other folks racist. Yep, the “black face” party would be a better descriptor.
Sez the self proclaimed Lakota culture expert. Give it a rest OldSnottyblowhole. We don’t want or need yer pathetic suggestions on how to become Russian wingnuts.
Right, Mike. The DeskJockey is becoming tedious. You can’t spell ignoramus without ignore.
mike and porter – do not live in South Dakota. They have no business posting on a South Dakota blog. We call those “trolls”. Trolls are people that comment on blogs and sites that have nothing to do with them. They do not live here, they do not spend money here, they do not pay taxes here but they do get in “our” business. They would call it “other people’s business”. The very fact they are tolerated here diminishes the validity of the discussion on any topic they post on.
Cory is right, in addition to any economist worth a damn. Immigrants strengthen an economy, adding labor force, tax base, new businesses, creativity, innovation, etc. We all know the facts.
Pootiepublicans are opposed because their only focus is maintaining power and adding to their own personal bank account. They’re detrimental to a state, nation or any other governmental unit.
Let’s welcome immigrants and bar Pootiepublicans! 😄😄😄
OldSferbrains and his Russian troll wingnut buddies are busy everywhere working to make it harder for legal minorities to vote. Take Dodge City for instance- https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/majority-hispanic-dodge-city-has-one-polling-place-and-now-harder-to-access
One polling place for 27000 residents, mostly Hispanic was moved outside of town a mile or more from the nearest bus stop.
Wisconsin town did the same thing in a majority black part of town. There were 2 polling places near downtown with several bus stops. The polling places are both on the outskirts of town far away from any bus stop.
And yet OldSferbrains and Grudzilla and others of their ilk whine and cry about outside voices of truth they don’t want to be bothered with. I guess if I bother them that bad they are free to go elsewhere. I’m not going anywhere. Have a really crappy day, dudes.
Russian, I am not a Democrat, nor am I Republican, I am an Independent. Been that way for years and years, back when it was not cool to be that. So, how long have you been a Black/Native, anything but a White man? If Native, where is your enrollment? If Black. nation of origin.
Floridian’s should immigrate here as trump and the republicans have abandoned them. 1,000 Americans, still missing. trump and his accomplices have made us a failed state.
Anyone who would vote Republican is crazy.
” PANAMA CITY, Fla. (AP) — It’s the greatest need after a hurricane and sometimes the hardest one to fulfill: Electricity.
More than a week after Hurricane Michael smashed into the Florida Panhandle on a path of destruction that led all the way to the Georgia border, more than 100,000 Florida customers were still without power, according to the state Department of Emergency Management website.
Martha Reynolds sat outside her mother’s sweltering home Friday with relatives, including several young children, in a low-income Panama City neighborhood. The electricity has been off since the day Michael struck.”
Puerto Rico lost 3,000 and we still have not turned on the electricity there. Here we are, the greatest country and we cannot feed and water our citizens in our own backyard. Geesh, I miss Obama. Dump trump and his accomplices like the Russian lover, Dirty Johnson and his sidekick Moscow NOem.
jerry~ I don’t care what or who you are. You are like the others here that that nip at the heels of people who do make a difference. Have a happy life.
Russian, just keep being a fake while collecting your paytroll check. How long have you been a minority? What federally recognized tribe are you enrolled in? Fake
DeskJockey speaks with forked brain.
A minority to him is the grocery line with the fewest people.
Prove it, big mouth. Or keep yers shut. Stay on topic. No moving the goal posts. Prove a grocery line with the fewest people is a minority to Cory.
Unlike the vast majority of SD’ers I’ve worked next to many immigrants. Immigrants from Mexico, India, Italy, England, France, Germany, East Germany, Morocco, Japan, Vietnam, Thailand and China as well as other Central American countries. I was either a co-worker or an immigrant was my direct supervisor. Of course, growing up in ESD I worked and went to school and University with South Dakotans. Overall, immigrants have a stronger work ethic and better personal character. Americans have better innovation skills. It’s such a shame that South Dakota was graded an “F” on the national innovation scale. To be so contrary to new ideas and also be so anti-immigration is puzzling. Republicans have selfishly fostered a culture that promotes fear of outsiders which allows residents to justify piss poor wages and a culture of Anglo protectionism. SAD!!
Damn Porter, as much as you hate South Dakota why are you even here?
Isn’t that just the way? Cory is gracious enough to offer a supposed veteran a seat and now he brings his psychological hang ups to dinner (every damn day) and gives everyone (except “Grandpa Gravy Bib”) indigestion. You know “Air Force”, we all remember before you were here. Free Press has obviously become highly important in your life. Man, you don’t even know who Kurtz and Sibson are. And now, you’re telling people they don’t belong and what to believe? You arrogant sack of dirty laundry!! Show some respect for the man who provides you with something so precious to your neurotic and twisted view of life. We know it started with an abused childhood but grow the hell up and learn to get along. You’re lucky Cory has patience because he schools and scolds you like a child … way too often.
Porter, one summer in the late 90s I worked in a buffet restaurant kitchen where 90% of my colleagues spoke Español as their native tongue. Many of them also did fairly well in English too. It was kind of embarrassing to be one of the monolingual people. Around half of them had another full time job and sent a chunk of each check home too.
Those people were really hard workers and very helpful in teaching me how to do my part. As they got to know me and learned that I was not like those arrogant creeps Jerry described in the Winner bar or like OS, I came in for my fair share of teasing as I tried to pick up some Español. I still remember “cuchilla” is knife.
It was a good experience.
Wow, Debbo. That’s the exact experience I had. You explain things way better than me. Thanks, my friend.
OldSarg, the resistance to immigration expressed by Al Novstrup and others in Aberdeen is rooted in a variety of forms of hatred, ignorance, and small-mindedness. Racism is among those moral and intellectual failings that cause Novstrup and others to speak and work against the economic well-being of this community, which depends on welcoming new workers and neighbors.
You don’t get to wish or insult away the plain fact that some people really are racists or the correctness of pointing out, criticizing, and calling for an end to that racism. That you spend so much time making excuses for racism is your own moral failing.
(Mic drop. Cory walks away.)
(Remember, I’m usually unable to execute the mic drop, because I usually don’t need a mic. ; – ) )
I see the mouth that bored is still yapping. I’m patiently waiting proof, Troll. Put up or shut up!
Been a couple crews of roofers working in Sutherland this Summer. They reshingle houses, do the entire job in a day or two and pick up every single nail or broken shingle when they are done. Very professional and they are all Hispanics.
Haven’t heard a single complaint, either.
Cory~ My point now, and has always been, until you get past identifying people based upon the color of their skin you are racist. That’s it. Most of those posting, including yourself, have self-identified as racist yet you run around pointing at others and claiming they are the very thing you demonstrate on a daily bases, your racism.
Russian, you have no point, only working for the paytroll. We get it, trolls gotta troll to put the potato squeezing’s on the table. So, how long have you been a minority? What federally recognized tribe are you enrolled in?
10 Ways White Liberals Perpetuate Racism
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/george-sachs-psyd/10-ways-white-liberals-pe_b_8068136.html
jerry~ you need to stop labeling people based on your racism. It is very neanderthalish.
Good article, Jason. Since you post without reading, let me summarize. It says that liberals aren’t doing enough to fight racists like you and Ol Sarge. That we tend to become complacent and that we need to get in your white supremacist business more and more. I’m down. Ol Sarge may whine like a stick hog and try to deflect his racist life back at “we the good people” but that’s just his and your denial. Here we come. #BootsOnNecks
Oh, poor porter. Just can’t get past calling names. . . what a sad man.
I am sad. As in sadistic. I’m your biggest nightmare. As Archangel Michael says, “I’m not that kind of liberal!”
Porter, I agree that Jason’s posted article is a great read. Some of the techniques described in the article seem on point in many of the discussions we have had here on DFP over the last few years.
I recently have argued that calling people “illegals” is a harmful, hurtful, derogatory, racist and xenophobic label. Persons using this term have typically become defensive and explain how not racist or xenophobic they really are and how they don’t mean anything bad by using the term. Others have justified using the terms because they have friends or family who are minorities or immigrants.
But the defenders of using such language seem incredibly resistant to asking themselves some important questions, as suggested by the author:
As the author explains:
Yet, such questions and introspection seem well worth asking.
Thanks to Jason for posting that article. Before reading it I was beginning to think my objections to the term “illegal” when used to refer to people was a waste of time. After all, our actions matter much more than our language. Yet, as the author helps me understand, sometimes our language enables us to hurt others without acknowledging that possibility to ourselves.
Right on, Bear. Many on our team have fought the description of a human as illegal. Over the years it’s become obvious the right uses illegal not as a legal term but as a racist slur to incite their bigoted base. e.g. – Trump is making the midterms about the innocuous “caravan”. Actually, the midterms are about taking away the voter’s healthcare, Medicare and Social Security.
News reports indicate there are several thousand immigrants heading this way from South America, including, as shown by news videos, many if not mostly women, kids and babies. Trump wants to send our “military” to the border to stop any efforts of these people to enter our country without papers, and apparently stop even those who seek to obtain admission papers.
Those people without papers who attempt to cross the border will be committing a misdemeanor. But as I understand it, military personnel have no authority to arrest non-military people for alleged misdemeanors.
This raises the question – what do Trump and his supporters, especially including our own DFP anti-immigrant without papers commenters, hope to see the military do? It appears they have only a couple options. Since we are not a war with any particular South American country perhaps military personnel can seize the immigrants as alleged “enemy combatants.” The problem with that solution, however, is that Gitmo does not have room for thousands of alleged “enemy combatants,” plus, as I understand it, the military needs at least some evidence, regardless of how unreliable, that the people they seize have taken, or are going to take, violent action against our country. I doubt the threat to commit a non-violent misdemeanor, or the commission of a non-violent misdemeanor, is quite enough to legally qualify.
The other apparent option could be termed the “Wounded Knee option,” or perhaps the “final solution,” whereby our military simply takes high powered weapons and mows these misdemeants down in cold blood, men, women and children alike, showing no mercy, but only American toughness and bravery.
Is this what Americans expect out of our military? Have we learned nothing from Wounded Knee, Japanese interment camps, or turning away Jewish people on boats seeking to survive in America?
BCB … Or, Trump could invade Mexico and stop the “human rights brigade” of oppressed women, children and seniors before they even get to the border. Imagine the feeling of superiority the Chancellor of Cheat would derive from invading Mexico. He’d use the same philosophy Russia used when they invaded their neighbors to create a “buffer zone” of protection named USSR.
Porter, I hadn’t thought of that. Perhaps Trump could use the authority previously given to George W Bush to engage in a pre-emptive strike against Mexico, labeling these humans seeking only safety and a better life for their children as “weapons of mass destruction.” I wonder which violent solutions our DFP Trump supporters find most satisfying in their efforts to help Trump make America safe.
Drumpf ramped up drone slaughter of civilians in the Middle East. I don’t know why killing several hundred or more immigrants headed our way would bother him…He can always justify it the wingnut way- they are just likely Democratic voters anyway.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/10/23/18014998/families-border-asylum-caravan
Half the people caught at the border are families with kids or just kids.
Eye-popping surge of illegal immigrants abducting children: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/may/22/children-abducted-illegals-posing-families-us-bord/
Half the people caught at the border have stolen kids so they look like a family.
Old PsychWard … Take a week and study what print media is valid and which are just not. Here’s a start. Remember … New York Times. The Washington paper is the opposite ending. New York equals Times. Washington equals Post. (Review: NYTimes – WaPost)
To trick beginners like you, fake newspapers in both cities turn the names around. Remember-opposites are fake. New York Post equals fake. Washington Times equals fake. Your post is total crap. The Washington Times is owned by the Moonies from Korea, for goodness sake. Learn these four and you’ll have a start on valid media sources.
Half the people caught at the border have stolen kids so they look like a family.
Yer article says nothing of the kind, like usual, OldSadisticstatistic.
To continue, OS You’ll get laughed at for posting stories from FoxNews. I’ll get laughed at for posting stories from Huffington Post.
I just watched the Sutton Noem debate. Closing statements now. Sutton said he is anti-abortion, anti-gay marriage, balanced budget conservative. He also lied about supporting Bernie. . . I think you should take the time to watch the debate. It should be available in the next few minutes.
I would suggest you watch it if you want to know if your candidate is a liar or not. I, for one, take back my earlier statements that Sutton would have been a good governor. He is now a National Media Lying Star! No trust for this man in Western South Dakota.
Chronic Kristie is just a full blown liar. Associated Press said so.
Typical Kristi open book Noem debate. She just could not wait for the negative attacks, this time with Bernie jabs.
Sutton did well, although I do wish he would respond to her squealing attacks with a ‘Kristi is just more of the establishment ‘.
Tell the South Dakota voters that Kristi will be more of the same.
He did say that once , he needs to say that again and again.
Another GOP governor means nothing will change. No oversight, more corruption, more establishment.
Thatis the message South Dakotans need to hear.
I don’t know what debate you watched OS, That’s not what I heard from Billie.
Speaking of immigrants, Drumpf, tariffs and other bologna, the Des Moines Regster had a front page mini headline saying 80 iowa dairies have gone under this year alone, with more to follow. Farmers are dumping milk into ditches because it is essentially worthless and, speaking of worthless, how’z that new Canadian NAFTA working out for all you dairy farming Drumpfsters out there?