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Logical Follow-up to Gun Violence Walkout: Tournament Walk-Up… to Noem and Thune

Maybe the walkout was a couple days early….

Maybe four dozen students at Aberdeen Central—out of a student body of  about 1,200—participated in the nationwide student walkout this morning to protest gun violence and the lack of sensible responses from Congress to tackle that threat to their lives. (To be clear, contrary to the hyperventilations of some political conspiracy theorists, the students in my classroom today were not encouraged by any radical leftists; during the event, I remained in my classroom with three students and preached the joys of factoring trinomials.)

But if a few dozen students go outside and nobody from Congress sees them shivering, did they really make any difference? What happens next to translate these initial expressions of solidarity with the students of Marjorie Stoneman Douglas High School in Florida into action that will change our gun laws and our gun culture?

Maybe this would get Kristi and John's attention....
Maybe this would get Kristi and John’s attention….

It would seem logical that those same students who walked out today need to build on their social-consciousness momentum and repeat their protest at a venue where they will get even more press, where they will be seen by parents and policymakers across the state, where they might have the chance to speak directly to policymakers like Kristi Noem and John Thune.

You know, there are some really big basketball games being played in Aberdeen, Rapid City, and Sioux Falls this weekend. Aberdeen students are getting two days off from school so that a lucky minority with time and money to spare can drive to Sioux Falls to watch their boys play basketball. Kristi Noem and John Thune love going to watch those same basketball games.

Now I’m not saying that students should walk out of the state basketball tournaments. They’ve paid money for those tickets, and practically speaking, the eyeballs and cameras are all inside.

But maybe it’s time to follow up the walkout with a walk-up. Students, keep an eye out for your Congresspeople at the Barnett Center, the Rushmore Plaza Civic Center, and the Premier Center. When you see you lawmakers in the stands, walk up to them. Talk to Kristi and John about your concerns about gun violence. Talk to Kristi and John about what you want done to reduce gun violence. Talk to Kristi and John about what they can do to respect your right to life, liberty, and education.

I’m not a radical leftist organizing anything. I’m just offering an observation for motivated young people’s consideration. A demonstration is good. A demonstration in front of the cameras and your Congresspeople is better.

84 Comments

  1. Jenny

    Ammosexuality is a disturbing addiction that the country has never seen the likes of before. Mix it in with opoids and there you have America.

  2. Curt

    No place better to be on “Pi Day” than a math classroom! Way to go, compadre!

  3. Debbo

    “Walk up” is a very good idea Cory. I like it.

    (You’re such a wild eyed radical!😉)

  4. Roger Cornelius

    I watched some of the ‘walk out’ as it was covered on cable news and remain in awe of these kids as the first time I heard them speak.
    Twitter and Facebook were covered with information and comments both inspiring and degrading the kids.
    Imagine adults that have so much hate and contempt for these kids and their safety that they taunt them and bully them.
    Of them the many comments that stood out today was this: Adults that hate and are mad at the kids for protesting for their right to survival,adults should be mad at why the kids are having to protest in the first place.
    Like it or not, these kids have started a worldwide movement for school safety, I say worldwide because kids in London and elsewhere around the world also walked out of their classrooms in a show of solidarity for Marjory Stoneman victims.

  5. jerry

    California has a reasonable gun law that has been around for a decade. It works too. https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=201320140SB140

    This does not infringe upon the Second nor does it on the First Amendment. Of course, it would make too much sense for a place like South Dakota to even consider as there are to many words and sentences for the cabal to try to understand.

  6. The “kids” need to keep telling their parents. ” well, you voted these idiots in. Why ???”

  7. Thanks, Curt! Fortune smiled on me today with a math opportunity on 3/14. At 1:59 p.m., I was deeply embroiled in another round of factoring. FOIL… deFOIL!

  8. Roger, not to pick on you as an older gentleman, but how would you compare the negative things you are hearing thrown at the protesting kids today with the negative things that the older generation threw at the kids protesting Vietnam?

  9. Roger Cornelius

    Cory, the criticisms of the kids involved in today’s protest are receiving very much the same criticism from adults as we did back in the 60’s.

    The difference being is that the adults seem to hate the kids with so much more intensity, vulgarity, and with actual threats of violence.

    That hatred of our youngsters is of great concern to me given that they are in middle school and high school, where most of us in the 60;s were in college.

  10. Roger, does the negative reaction from adults who oppose the kids’ apparent agenda seem more intense, vulgar, and threatening just because we can more of it unfiltered via modern social media? Are we just hearing/seeing things now that didn’t make it onto the Huntley-Brinkley Report? Or is there a real uptick in that intense opposition?

    The age difference is worth noting. Did high school kids walk out in protest of the draft that they faced?

    Were accusations of manipulation by radical left-wingers as common then as they are now?

  11. Jason

    On Wednesday, a student at a high school in Minnesota joined his classmates who were participating in the National School Walkout and was singled out and removed by his principal for holding a sign that said, “Guns Don’t Kill People, People Kill People.”

    The left can not tolerate free speech.

  12. Roger Elgersma

    There was a time when you could evade the draft by going to college. The students at the college that I went to said that Juniors near the end of the year walked out( quit college) because it could not longer keep them out of Vietnam. Walking out when you have the tuition paid at a private church college and only one year tuition left, is serious walking out.

  13. mike from iowa

    Where did that article come from, Jason. Don’t tell me, probably dead Breitbrat or Alex Jones.

  14. jerry

    mfi, Jason cannot provide any proof of his spoofs anymore than trump can. Both prove daily that they can pull lies straight out of their arse’s without the least effort.

  15. Roger Cornelius

    jerry & mfi, regrettably Jason is right for once, this event did happen and was widely reported by credible news sources.
    What the news didn’t report was the reason for the removal of this student and his sign, it could well have been for his own safety given how charged the student activists were.
    If Jason wants to single out isolated incidents in yesterday’s walkout, he should talk about the one Black student in New Jersey that was the sole walkout at his school even as he was threatened with disciplinary action by his alt-right authorities.

  16. Roger Cornelius

    Cory,
    The use of social media obviously provides protection for hate mongers of all sorts and it also allows for more vulgarity and intense opposition to different opinions.
    For those of us brought up in the 60’s, walking out of class to protest the draft for any reason was unheard of, but what a great idea it would have been.
    Naturally, conservatives thought hippies and college protesters were sent by the devil and were being manipulated by the Nazi’s and whatever. The 60’s revolution also spurred the John Birch Society into action, after all, we had to be communists, right?

  17. mike from iowa

    Roger, it may have been true, what he reported, but there always seems to be a lot of missing context, like you said.

    I seriously doubt he was removed because Libs are intolerant of dissent. Another thing is, never give Jason an inch. He will declare victory and his head will swell up like a balloon.

    Thanks for the info.

  18. mike from iowa

    Lookee what I found, Jason- WHAT IS THIS? 1918?
    Teens Face ‘Corporal Punishment’ in Rural Arkansas for Participating in Student Walkout
    Three kids at Greenbrier Public School in central Arkansas will allegedly be smacked for joining the nationwide student walkout against gun violence.

    Whose afraid of free speech? Conservative southern school officials.

  19. jerry

    Thanks Roger. Jason, I stand corrected. The sign is correct though. Guns just don’t go off by themselves, it does take a person to pull the trigger to kill people. The student should have organized his own counter protest instead of being a dick though. Kind of like being in a white power march with a “I love the NAACP” sign or a “Black Lives Matter” sign. Somehow, as innocent as they seem, they may cause friction…just sayin

  20. “the left”—one incident happens, and Jason leaps to the assumption that (a) the principal is a leftist, (b) that everyone on the left would take the same action, and (c) that one poorly understood anecdote wins him the argument.

    (a) As usual, events at school are dictated by policy minutiae, not some vast ideological conspiracy:

    In a press release about the incident the New Prague Area School District said, “The District has a policy that such items must be submitted to and reviewed by school administration at least 24-hours in advance. In compliance with the District’s policy ‘… to protect the exercise of students’ and employees’ free speech rights, [while] taking into consideration the educational objectives and responsibilities of the School District,’ the sign was moved to non-school grounds. The District has an obligation to enforce this policy without regard to political viewpoint.

    “No student was disciplined and law enforcement was not involved with any of the students present during the walkout.

    “New Prague Area Schools fully respects and recognizes that students have free speech rights. Those rights, however, are to be balanced against the District’s responsibility to maintain a school environment focused on education. The District’s administration has an obligation to enforce the policy, which is known as a ‘time, place, and manner restriction’” [Patrick Fisher, “Student Forced to Leave School Grounds over Sign,” New Prague Times, 2018.03.15].

    (b) I am a leftist by various definitions. I can tolerate free speech. Jason’s contention is thus refuted.

    (c) See (b).

    See also Snopes, which is working to find the full facts rather than gleaning the bits necessary to promote the Jason/Breitbart narrative.

  21. Roger, on social media and intense negativity: I take it that’s a product of anonymity and lack of presence? Will we evolve to recognize each other’s humanity behind our screens, or will we all stay stuck in this uglier, more vulgar mode with our electronics?

    I also wonder what will happen when Twitter evolves into telepathy: will we be meaner to each other or more empathetic and restrained?

  22. mike from iowa

    Jerry, Guns just don’t go off by themselves, it does take a person to pull the trigger to kill people.

    There are any number of guns that fire without triggers being pulled. Remington has been in litigation for decades over concerns the Model 700 rifle fires by itself. Remington was aware of the problem decades ago and did virtually nothing to fix it.

    According to allegations raised in a Remington 700 rifle class action lawsuit filed in January 2013, unintentional discharges have been linked to problems with Remington’s Walker Fire Control, which has been used since 1948 and is found in more than 5,000,000 Remington guns. That complaint claimed that Remington has known since at least 1979 that one percent of all Model 700 rifles fire unexpectedly without the trigger being pulled because of defects in the fire control assembly. The lawsuits also claim the company knew about the problems before the gun went on the market.

    In 1978, the gun manufacturer issued a recall for the Model 600 series, which used the same fire control system, determining that it had a 55.9% failure rate. The class action complaint filed last year claims that the Model 700 system has the same problems. The parties in that case are expected to propose a briefing schedule for the Plaintiffs’ Motion for Class Certification in that case next mont

    The Glock which fired the fatal bullet that killed Katy Steinle has such a record as well, according to experts that testified in the murder trial where her killer walked.

  23. Jason

    Mike,

    It was a Sig Sauer, not a Glock and did not fire by itself.

    The gun used in the fatal shooting of Kate Steinle on San Francisco’s Pier 14 in 2015 was in good condition and probably wouldn’t fire unless the trigger was pulled, a police firearms expert testified today.

    Gerald Andrew Smith, a firearms expert with the San Francisco police crime lab, testified today in the trial of Jose Ines Garcia Zarate, a 45-year-old homeless Mexican citizen being tried for second-degree murder in Steinle’s death.

    Steinle, a 32-year-old Pleasanton native who lived in San Francisco’s South Beach neighborhood, was killed on the evening of July 1, 2015, by a single bullet as she walked on the pier with her father and another family member.

    Police divers recovered a gun, a .40-caliber Sig Sauer P239 that had been reported stolen from an off-duty Bureau of Land Management ranger’s vehicle days earlier, from the waters of the Bay the next day.

    http://www.ktvu.com/news/firearms-expert-testifies-in-murder-trial-of-kate-steinle

  24. Jason

    Mike,

    You keep saying Glocks fire by themselves. Can you please link me to this info?

  25. Jason

    California High School Teacher On Leave After Questioning School Shooting Walkout

    Benzel says she never discouraged her students from participating in the national school walk out, but she did question whether it’s appropriate for a school to support a protest against gun violence if they’re not willing to support all protests.

    “And so I just kind of used the example which I know it’s really controversial, but I know it was the best example I thought of at the time—a group of students nationwide, or even locally, decided ‘I want to walk out of school for 17 minutes’ and go in the quad area and protest abortion, would that be allowed by our administration?” she said.

    http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2018/03/14/rocklin-teacher-questions-walkout/

    I can’t wait to see what school policy she violated.

  26. Roger Cornelius

    Since the Marjory Stoneman massacre last month adults have been trying to dictate to the young people demanding protection from school shooters. Adults have repeatedly stated that the kids are misguided and should be protesting bullying and abortion among other things.
    Fortunately for all of us, the young leaders of tomorrow today continue to pursue their agenda for school safety, they should.
    Adults try to establish other priorities for the students other than protecting their lives, the kids aren’t listening to adults anymore, adults would do well to learn to listen to the kids, as victims of a violent a crime they know what they are talking about.

  27. Jason

    Roger,

    Please tell me what “ideas” these kids have that will stop or limit school killings?

    I will file your post under the “teachers” fault.

  28. Roger Cornelius

    Jason,
    I refer you to my comment above for your answer:
    “adults would do well to listen to the kids ………..”
    Listen to the kids that survived the massacre, not to me.
    I will file your post under the “adults” fault.

  29. Jason

    Roger,

    I refer you to my earlier post proving that the kids you are referring to are clearly dumb.

    Do you think the White House is a gun free zone Roger?

  30. Roger Cornelius

    Jason,
    I don’t give a good goddamn if the White House is a gun free zone or not.

    Clearly the young leaders of tomorrow today are well informed, intelligent, and articulate and to call them “dumb” is a demonstration of your ignorance.

  31. Jason

    Unlike you Roger, I do care about the intelligence of our youth. They clearly are dumb or are not being taught critical thinking skills and facts.

    I will ask you again Roger,

    Are those kids “dumb” or did they not get taught properly?

  32. Roger Cornelius

    Jason
    Unlike you, I have never called or referred to any child as “dumb”, you have.
    Recently Cory had a thread telling the story of the Marjory Stoneman students accomplishments in debate. In fact they were debating this very subject prior to the massacre and their preparation showed when they went on camera after the shooting.
    The level of their education is revealed in their speaking skills and how they pose their arguments. Clearly they have excellent ‘critical thinking skills’ beyond what you have.
    Simply because you don’t like their supported ‘facts’ doesn’t make them “dumb” kids, it makes you ignorant.

  33. Jason

    Roger,

    Are you going to step up and answer my question about the students who think the White House is a gun free zone?

    I have not heard one student from that school say how they would stop or limit school killings.

    Can you link me to any of them that have?

    Please answer both of my questions Roger.

  34. Roger Cornelius

    Keep repeating the same questions all night if you wish, my response is do your own damn research.
    And quit calling children “dumb”.

  35. Jason

    Roger,

    From your response I have to assume you think the White House is a gun free zone.

    Please correct me if I am wrong.

    If you do not think the White House is a gun free zone, than the fact is the students are dumb or were not taught the facts.

    Those are the facts Roger.

  36. Roger Cornelius

    Only a fool would ever ‘assume’ anything about me or what I say.
    My answer was clear, I don’t give a good goddamn if the White House is a gun free zone or not.
    You know what you can do with your “facts”.

  37. Jason

    Thanks for proving that you don’t care about the truth and facts.

    You also proved you don’t care that our kids are intelligent.

    Well, I do.

    I do have a problem with you using kids for your political gain, but that’s par for the course with the democrat party. I can link you to the email the democrats sent out for you if you want.

    How does it feel to lose against the facts Roger?

  38. Roger Cornelius

    Jason,
    You haven’t won a thing, you are as bad as your master Trump thinking that he is “winning” and that the world will be tired of his winning.
    There is no reason for me to use the kids for political gain, I am not in office nor do I choose to run. The kids, as I have said repeatedly are their own voice and ideas.
    Don’t hand me the BS that you have “truth and facts” when all you really have are opinions like the rest of us.
    Your mother is calling you, it is time for little Jason to go beddie bye.

  39. Jason

    Roger,

    The kids are making posters that are false.

    Do you condone that?

  40. Schools are gun-free zones. SDCL 13-32-7 makes exceptions for law enforcement and, unfortunately, certified school gunslingers/”sentinels”.

    The White House and other federal facilities also appear to be gun-free zones:

    The signs appeared at the White House around the time of a winter storm that closed down much of the federal government for three days last month: “WARNING: Weapons Prohibited.”

    Posted right outside guard shacks with metal detectors, the signs threaten fines and prison time for something that most White House visitors probably consider common sense: Don’t bring a gun into the White House.

    …Under Section 930 of the federal criminal code, it’s a federal Class A misdemeanor to bring a firearm or dangerous weapon into a federal facility, punishable by up to a year in prison. If you intend to commit a crime with that weapon, it becomes a Class E felony, with up to five years in prison.

    …It also allows the Secret Service to arrest people for carrying weapons even before they get into the White House grounds [Gregory Korte, “After 28 Years, Secret Service Posts Warning: No Guns in White House,” USA Today, 2016.02.11].

    That federal statute excepts authorized law enforcement, military personnel, and other officials and employees.

  41. Jason

    Cory, thanks for backing me up and proving that the kids are wrong. There are guns at the White House.

  42. Jason

    Mike,

    You pointed out a manufacturing defect. You won’t see a glock do that.

  43. mike from iowa

    Jason, I pointed out yer defect. You be trying to move the goalpost again. You pointed out the gun in question was a Sig. I knew from reading testimony in the Steinle trial these guns can and do fire without a finger on the trigger. This also points out the defendant was carelessly over charged in the senseless death which may not have happened if the gun in question didn’t have that defect.

    Then you try to point to the Glock squirrel. Not going to work. Most of the posters here are aware of your propensities for moving the goalposts when you get shown up.

  44. Jason

    Mike,

    Your article says nothing about a handgun discharging from being dropped.

    Non-defective handguns don’t discharge by themselves.

  45. mike from iowa

    Non-criminals don’t commit crimes.

    Early Glocks were notorious for accidental discharges.

  46. Jason

    Mike,

    The accidental discharges you bring up are user errors.

    The guns are not going off by themselves.

  47. mike from iowa

    We ain’t playing yer games, Jason. Give it a rest.

  48. Jason

    It’s not a game. I state facts.

  49. Roger Cornelius

    Jason,
    Very good. You cite one instance out of nearly a million kids that participated in the walkout.
    Certainly you can state unequivocally that these kids are future Democrats, how could you possibly know that. You don’t!
    You are making the same weak argument about the isolated incident of a kid that wasn’t adequately informed about gun free zones.

  50. Roger Cornelius

    Game. Set. Match.
    mike from iowa is the victor.

  51. mike from iowa

    Jason, it is patently obvious you didn’t bother to watch yer own video posting. There is not a single identifiable vandal in the WalMart store. All that you see is damage being documented by a store employee. The people around the cereal stack are employees trying to set the stack back up.

    If you presented this in a court of law as evidence of students or Democrats being vandals, the judge, dare I say, would Larry Klayman your arse before you got a word in edgewise.

  52. Jason

    Mike,

    Of course I didn’t watch the video. Did they release the video that the cops are going to review?

    “A Chicago police spokesman says they’re reviewing what he calls “high quality” video surveillance from Walmart to identify the students at fault, as well as videos posted to social media.”

  53. mike from iowa

    Oh the games Jason plays now
    every night and every day now
    Never meaning what he says now
    never saying what he means.

    No more of your games, Jason!

    Tip O’ the hat to Joe South for the Games People Play lyrics I borrowed and trashed.

  54. Jason

    Despite Heightened Fear Of School Shootings, It’s Not A Growing Epidemic

    “Schools are safer today than they had been in previous decades,” says James Alan Fox, a professor of criminology at Northeastern University who has studied the phenomenon of mass murder since the 1980s.

    https://www.npr.org/2018/03/15/593831564/the-disconnect-between-perceived-danger-in-u-s-schools-and-reality?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=20180316

    Some more facts for you Mike.

  55. Roger Cornelius

    How many times has James Alan Fox been a victim of a school massacre?

  56. Jason

    Roger,

    He was saved by an armed teacher.

    How many times have you you been a victim of a car driven into a crowd?

  57. Roger Cornelius

    Twice actually, once in Oklahoma and once in Omaha, NE.

  58. o

    Jason, the Fox article you link to has this “fact.”

    “First, while multiple-victim shootings in general are on the rise, that’s not the case in schools. There’s an average of about one a year — in a country with more than 100,000 schools.”

    How do I take any article seriously that has such wrong information to base its claims? With 11 school school shootings this year; 8 with injuries; 6 with fatalities; 4 with multiple fatalities; are you saying we are really OK “on average?”

    Now that the Supreme Court has seen what their decisions expanding the second Amendment have wrought on public safety, I see why the NRA is terrified of any gun legislation. Any restriction has the potential to get another hearing at the Supreme Court and re-define the second Amendment. I would bet that is the motive behind the hardline push to stop legislation now; if the NRA were secure that the Second would stand on review, then let the laws flow and be struck down.

  59. Jason

    O,

    What Fox article? I linked to an NPR article.

    As to guns, I bet you that people with guns have had their lives and property saved more than people shot with guns.

    Are you willing to take that bet?

    How can I take you seriously when your reading comprehension problems are obvious?

    How many people were targeted by vehicles last year O?

  60. Jason

    Leslie,

    That is sad. That just proves that gun safety needs to be a mandatory class in school.

    It used to be something that was just done by the parents.

    I guess we need to teach gun safety in schools like we do sex education now.

  61. mike from iowa

    Roger asked Jason one very specific question, which, of course, Jason moved the goalposts and gave an answer to a question that was not asked.

    Yer NPR article was a Fox article. It was about James Alan Fox, who sounds like a bought and paid for subsidiary of Russia/NRA.

    Kismet-what did we do to deserve this?

  62. Jason

    Mike,

    It was an NPR article about a guy named Fox.

    That is a fact.

  63. o

    Jason, I was referring to the Professor quoted by NPR, Alan Fox from Northeastern University. Seriously man, do you eve read your own materials you post as evidence? I have comprehension problems? How about an answer to the article’s claim of an average of only one school shooting a year that you toss out as a basis for saying schools are basically safe? That is a fact that is demonstrably false in your support article.

    You lost that bet: a gun in the home is more likely to kill a member of that household than an intruder: “one self-defense shooting for 22 accidental, suicidal or criminal shootings — hardly support for the notion that having a gun handy makes people safer.”

    http://archive.jsonline.com/blogs/purple-wisconsin/184209741.html

    http://www.bradycampaign.org/risks-of-having-a-gun-in-the-home

    Gun ownership is a health hazard.

  64. Jason

    O,

    Where did I say self-defense shooting? I said guns are used in self-defense. You do know you can use a gun in self-defense without firing it right?

    So does your study account for all of the self-defense situations where the gun wasn’t fired? If not, than the study is useless.

  65. Jason

    O,

    Last year was above average. It still will not move the average a lot. There, I answered your question and the Fox guy and NPR article are still correct and you are wrong.

  66. mike from iowa

    Jason, next time someone tosses you a tough ?, just admit you don’t know the answer instead of opening a new offensive about something entirely unrelated to the asked ?. This is a fact.

  67. Jason

    Mike,

    what question didn’t I answer?

  68. o

    Jason,

    I am glad you bring up brandishing the gun. As it turns out, using a gun is less effective than using OTHER weapons to fend off burglaries: (this will require you to read to the end of the excerpt – so stick with it.) Grab a Louisville Slugger or a 1-Iron.

    The use of guns were, however, were linked to better outcomes in certain circumstances. In cases of robbery and burglary, victims who didn’t try to stop the crime lost property nearly 85 percent of the time. Victims who attacked the intruders or threatened them with a gun had a better outcome, losing property 39 percent of the time. But those are slightly worse odds than for victims who fought back with other weapons — this latter group lost property 35 percent of the time.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/06/14/for-every-gun-used-in-self-defense-six-more-are-used-to-commit-a-crime/?utm_term=.358a315aa24f

    Injury rates for using a gun and not using a gun to fend off attacks were roughly even.

    So to recap: guns UNIQUELY enable mass murders – since the Heller decision, mass murder (committed by gunmen) deaths have increased; guns do not help prevent crime (they actually are the motive of many burglaries) ; in-fact guns present in the home reduce the safety of the household.

  69. Jason

    O,

    Go ahead and use a bat against a guy with a gun.

    You will have to cut and paste the article since I don’t give money to the Washington Post.

    O,

    To recap, bombs uniquely enable mass murders.

    Who has guns now that didn’t before the Heller decision O?

    The answer to that is people in Blue states.

  70. mike from iowa

    Roger Cornelius
    2018-03-17 at 19:23

    How many times has James Alan Fox been a victim of a school massacre?
    Jason
    2018-03-17 at 19:25

    Roger,

    He was saved by an armed teacher.

  71. o

    Jason, you cannot make a strafe of unsupported one-liners that are false on face:
    1) How many people have been killed by bombs in the US? CNN reports 440,095 gun deaths (homicideds, suicides, and accidents) in the US from 2001 to 2014. How many from bombs? PROVE YOUR CLAIM!
    2) Your “Blue States” assertion is nonsensical, it makes no point (and given your pension for making facts up, how about a source?). More guns ANYWHERE has caused more gun DEATHS.

    AGAIN, to recap: guns UNIQUELY enable mass murders – since the Heller decision, mass murder (committed by gunmen) deaths have increased; guns do not help prevent crime (they actually are the motive of many burglaries) ; in-fact guns present in the home reduce the safety of the household.

  72. Jason

    My claim was bombs enable mass murder. Are you saying bombs can’t kill a lot of people?

    It was D.C and Chicago behind those court cases. Are you saying the bad guys didn’t have gun in DC and Chicago before those cases?

    You haven’t proven guns don’t prevent crime. The reason you can’t is they don’t track crimes prevented by guns.

    The fact is I have a second amendment and God given right to own a gun.

  73. o

    Jason, “God given?” I suppose that is appropriate bombast when making the un-reasoned, counterintuitive case for guns.

  74. bearcreekbat

    “God given right?” I have read and studied the complete Bible but cannot recall God giving humans any rights, let alone the right to own something that didn’t exist when the Bible was written.

  75. o

    bearcreekbat, for that matter, something that did not exist when the Second Amendment was written either (not in any real similarity to what is sold today as “arms”).

  76. mike from iowa

    You won’t find god in the constitution, either. So you don’t have a god given right to own a gun.

    And remember, Heller says they are limits to the 2nd Amendment.

  77. mike from iowa

    Why are Parkland School kids so effective? Maybe this is why.

    The Justice Sandra Day O’Connor Civics Education Act – named for the former member of the US Supreme Court who has made civic education a hallmark of her post-bench work – passed in 2010 with bipartisan support. It mandates that all middle school students in Florida take a civics course, pass a comprehensive test, and include civics education reading in K-12 language arts.

    More than 90 percent of Florida civics teachers discuss current events in the classroom, and two-thirds of them do so every week. Most employ a variety of methods, including debates and mock trials.

    Florida’s Broward County, the sixth largest school district in the United States where Stoneman Douglas High is located, takes civics education even further. In the district-wide debate program, every public high school and middle school has a team, and several elementary schools participate as well.

    “[T]he overall emphasis of civic learning is paying off,” says Louise Dubé, executive director of iCivics, a civic learning website with teaching resources and games founded by Justice O’Connor in 2009. “[Parkland] is a sad way that we got to discover this, but a Civics 2.0 – not your grandmother’s civics – but a civics that is relevant, engaging, and puts kids at the center of the political action … graduates citizens who are ready to be a part of a community that we call the American experiment.”

    From Sheila Kennedy’s blog

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