Pence Says Affordable Care Act Kills Jobs; Data Disagree

Vice-President Mike Pence repeats the GOP propaganda line that the Affordable Care Act is a “job killer”:

We’ve heard this horsehockey before from our South Dakota Republicans. It’s still horsehockey.

President Barack Obama presided over 75 consecutive months of job growth, most of which happened after passage of the Affordable Care Act in March 2010:

The health care sector has seen record job growth under the Affordable Care Act.

Donald Trump isn’t the cause of Republican fact-denial. He’s a natural outgrowth.


33 Responses to Pence Says Affordable Care Act Kills Jobs; Data Disagree

  1. Donald Pay

    Job killers? I wish GOP would figure out which Obama policies have “killed” all the jobs. ACA, regs on financial institutions, “war on coal?” They can’t seem to figure out the reason for all the imaginary job losses during Obama’s years. Shifting from coal to wind adds jobs.

  2. Trump promised to kill ISIS in his first month as well as killing ACA/Obamacare in that time frame as well. So far, he has killed an American sailor, wounded several others and lost some 75 million in hardware on that failed mission.

    South Dakota’s republicant contender, NOem, voted NO some 65 times to repeal ACA/Obamacare. NOem went on record those 60 many times to tell us that she, NOem and her party, had the plan in place to do just that. Turns out she was correct on the last one. Now she wants to disavow that plan and put the genie back in the bottle. The reason for that is because if NOem and her party of lying liars were to repeal ACA/Obamacare they would actually find out how many thousands of jobs were created. They would then find out how ACA/Obamacare has led to not only a higher quality of life for American citizens as a whole, but increased productivity as well as higher incomes with better jobs and more opportunities. NOem is as big of fraud as Pence is. Know why, Pence passed Medicaid Expansion in conjunction with ACA/Obamacare in his home state while governor, how is that for being a lying liar.

  3. mike from iowa

    OT-and my humblest apologies- Fox news Liberal Alan Colmes passed away at 66. No fake news through this guy.

  4. Porter Lansing

    “Message guru” Frank Luntz has now instructed Republicans to make the semantic shift to “repair” and crap-can the word “repeal”. This isn’t going to end well for the majority.
    * This is where FreePressRedRollers comment and tell us “Obamacare is self-destructing under it’s own weight.”
    R.I.P. Alan Colmes … a teacher of mine.

  5. Steven Peterson

    Jobs created by Regulations is not really jobs when it’s funded by taxpayers.

  6. bearcreekbat

    Right Steven, think about what you are trying to say – are US soldiers and National Guardmen doing real “jobs” since they are completely funded by taxpayers? Likewise are you suggesting that police and firemen don’t have real “jobs” because they are funded by taxpayers? How about the folks who maintain our roads and bridges and who are funded by taxpayers?

    I would guess that if you were in the military and stationed in Iraq or Afghanistan facing possible death every day from enemy fire you might consider it a real job, despite where the funding came from. Or if you had to fight a fire in the middle of the night to save someone from dying in a burning building, or get into a gun fight trying to stop a robber, I think you might feel like this is a real job, even if funded only by taxpayers.

    And when you seem to categorically dismiss the term “Regulations” are you reflecting on why we have “regulations” at all? Most, if not all, “regulations” are adopted pursuant to law and implemented to improve people’s lives and make us all a bit safer?

    Do you think we would be better off in a society without laws and regulations?

  7. Another factor to consider is that a number of those new health care-related jobs were positions in rural areas which were (and still are) facing shortages.

  8. It galls me to no end to hear the Republicans constantly spout the b.s. about the ACA “collapsing of it’s own weight”! Sure, when governors/states refuse to get in the pool. When Republicans tell younger, healthier folks that they are being taken advantage of by being forced to by insurance so don’t buy in. It was a Republican idea of personal responsibility that came out of a Republican think tank that we all buy insurance thereby making insurance affordable for ALL! But President Blackula proposed THEIR idea and all of a sudden it became untenable! Now they are stuck! Fun to watch them squirm, but I feel for those that really need the insurance!

  9. the lowly independent

    i don’t even know where to start with “fixing” the healthcare industry… more administration/bureaucracy is not the way to go… maybe start with getting rid of facility admins that have no real life background in healthcare, or maybe start with the insurance companies, or the pencil pushers who have never worked at a healthcare facility, but feel that they can mandate procedural standards in hospitals etc… Where to begin, Where to begin…

  10. Roger Elgersma

    once Christians like Pence start to follow Trump, they all become liars.

  11. Porter Lansing

    I’M CHANGING MY MIND!! Obamacare was just too much change all at once. It scared people and Republicans pounced on that fear and choked it like an infant in it’s crib. But, it wasn’t all Republican’s fault. The ACA was too complicated and too restrictive and too regulatory to succeed. Telling citizens they had to buy something whether they wanted it or not was wrong. Forcing young males to buy health insurance when they’d rather buy new wheels for their pickup was wrong. It’s time to repeal Obamacare and go back to something familiar, comforting and solid. Something that’s worked for 50 years. Something that’s had a half century to get the kinks worked out, the tweaks made and the track record established. It’s time for a return to what we all know and love, folks.

  12. Porter, start drinking decaf brother. The fix to the ACA would be quite simple if it were just done the way it was written. Add back in the risk corridor. Simple, easy and understandable.

    To add to what bcb has defined to Steven Petersen would be this. Name one job that does not have anything to do with government funded taxpayer intervention. Just one.

  13. mike from iowa

    How soon we forget the years of disloyal opposition threatening to do their damndest to make Obama and his policies fail.

    Fixing the bad parts of the ACA isn’t hard. First kill all wingnuts, then proceed like grownups to discuss the problems and seek solutions.

    When faced with a dilemma and one of the most important tools in your kit is missing (ie taxes) , your repair isn’t going to work. Workable government programs are like fences-there is never time to do it right, but plentyof time to do it over and over and over.

  14. Roger Cornelius

    It has been clear since the inauguration that republicans maybe able to repeal Obamacare, but they have no plan to replace it. If they do have a plan, they haven’t informed America yet.
    Many pro-Obamacare supporters have been calling out their congressmen and senators over their poor handling of their repeal, so much so the politicians are fleeing their constituents.
    Pence doesn’t know what he is talking about and can only say what 45 or Kellyanne tell him.
    If only Obamacare wasn’t called Obamacare and called Trumpcare instead, republicans wouldn’t have a single problem with the ACA

  15. Porter Lansing

    Good one, Jerry. Decaf

  16. The biggest job killer is trump and his sidekicks NOem, Thune, Round and Pence. NO jobs period for infrastructure until who knows when. Remember that one trillion in building roads and repairing bridges, gone like flatulence in the wind. March 16 is the due date for the budget gets to be guessed at and you know what, it ain’t gonna pass. Good deal on the 16th as opposed to the 15th when that Shakespeare dude “Ides of March” because of implications and so on. What your arse’s friends, take a look at your stuff to see what is exposed, dump what ain’t pretty.

  17. Porter Lansing

    Here’s the RED AGENDA … and as Troy and the Red Rollers will tell us. There ain’t a damn thing we can do about it … yet. They won’t even show up at Town Halls to get an earful.
    REPUBLICAN AGENDA 2017
    1. HR 861 Terminate EPA
    2. HR 610 Vouchers Public Education
    3. HR 899 Terminate Department of Education
    4. HJR 69 Repeal Rule Protecting Wildlife
    5. HR 370 Repeal Affordable Care Act
    6. HR 354 Defund Planned Parenthood Act
    7. HR 785 National Right to Work Act
    8. HR 83 Mobilizing Against Sanctuary Cities Act
    9. HR 147 Criminalizing Abortion (“Prenatal Nondiscrimination Act”)
    10. HR 808 Sanctions against Iran

  18. Richard Schriever

    North Dakota Republic must believe wind energy development “kills jobs”, as they’very put forward a 2-year ban on wind development in that state. That move may actually kill MY job.

  19. Robert McTaggart

    I surmise that is really about pro-coal interests in North Dakota…or perhaps they are waiting for the Trump Administration to provide the monies for new transmission infrastructure.

  20. Mr. Schriever, ask that two faced senator Hedicrump about that. What a fraud of a democrat she has turned out to be. In the meantime, What about Kansas? They must not have gotten the Pence or the NOem line of bs. They are moving forward with ACA/Obamacare Medicaid Expansion, Boom! http://www.kansas.com/news/politics-government/article134332184.html
    Moderate republicans or rino’s as they call them here in South Dakota understand how not to run a government. Al, Tim and Ike should understand the business of running a government that is not dependent upon EB5 as its jobs program.

  21. mike from iowa

    Richard Shriever, you’d prolly be welcome in windy iowa. I is surrounded by wind turbines and at 260 feet above Mother Earth you prolly can’t smell hog confinements.

  22. snowflake Mike is every bit a knock-off of lying 45th. John Boehner, remember him? said today that there’s no way the repubs will repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act. Years after the fact they still lack a plan.

  23. Richard Schriever

    Mc Taggart. ND has some of the most intensely developed transmission lines already in place – precisely because of the presence of all that coal-burning there already.

    jerry -I had that HH senator figured as a DINO years ago.

    Mfi -we are bidding on the new 1500 turbine farms going up in Iowa. Will know more about where I will be working by end of March.

  24. Robert McTaggart

    Well, with wind it isn’t just the transmission lines. If you keep building more, what do you do with the occasional extra power that you do not need (i.e. when there is not enough demand, like overnight). Until you solve that issue, why keep building more wind turbines?

    Coal doesn’t do a good job at load-following. I think Otter Tail in its plan for 2017-2031 talks about new natural gas and slowly reducing coal over time.

    Simply passing on the intermittency (i.e. sending the excess wind energy elsewhere) really isn’t solving the issue, it is kicking the can to another state. Somebody else has to build the natural gas plant or recharge electric vehicles.

  25. I was reading about 40 million dollar hospital expansions for Rapid City Regional, Sturgis and Custer. I see Urgent Care facilities springing up all over the place. I guess there are no job considerations for the construction workers, for the folks that will be working in these buildings and so on. If I am to believe NOem and Pence, I am to not believe my eyes as to what they are seeing. In a totalitarian regime like North Korea, it is possible to understand that, is this what and where we are going?

  26. Robert McTaggart

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckdevore/2017/02/23/californias-wrecking-the-western-electric-grid-now-755-mostly-native-american-jobs-are-at-risk/

    Native American jobs at an Arizona coal plant are at risk from California dumping their excess solar energy into the regional power grid.

  27. Porter Lansing

    Jerry and all readers … There’s a scam going on involving Urgent Care and Emergency Care facilities that are popping up. Often hospitals will have an affiliated Emergency Care facility in a shopping mall or another site, away from the hospital. These facilities charge much more than an Urgent Care facility and don’t always tell the patient their insurance isn’t good at their site. Here’s some tips to keep from getting that big bill at the end of the month.
    http://www.compassphs.com/blog/price-transparency/4-mistakes-to-avoid-when-going-to-an-urgent-care-clinic-3/

  28. ACA/Obamacare is a winner! NOem and Pence are loo oo oo sers on this matter. South Dakotan’s will tell her that if she ever comes to an open town hall. Kaiser already proves that it more popular now than ever http://kff.org/health-reform/poll-finding/kaiser-health-tracking-poll-future-directions-for-the-aca-and-medicaid/

  29. Robert McTaggart

    I predict Congressional Republicans will find a way to ultimately “repeal and replace” the ACA, because politically they have to…otherwise they’ll be primaried from the right (and/or the left for that matter).

    However, what replaces it will look very similar to present-day ObamaCare with some tweaks, like buying insurance across state lines and something to reduce/curtail costs. A quick repeal/replacement means they need to keep the “fix” as simple as possible.

  30. Richard Schriever

    Mc Taggart. There also just happens to be a superabu dance of natural gas in ND, but the coal industry appears to be opposed to I creased development there as well. BTW, that NO is also located in the same region, physically a’s the areas most conducive to wind farm development.

  31. Richard Schriever

    NG.

  32. The fix would be simple, put the risk corridor back in. With all due respect to your suggestion of buying insurance across state lines, that will never work unless it is Medicare for all. Even then it would be difficult regarding regulations, networks and those types of issues. Insurance agents are regulated by the state of residence, they can then be licence for fees in other states, but their home state is where they are governed from. If you look on the state fees for those licences, an agent would have to pay North of $5,000.00 per year to be able to conduct business across state lines just for the licence. Then at minimum of another $5,000.00 or so per year to be appointed with the lines offered in each of the states. Plus testing payments and the like, only Mike Rounds would be able to market health insurance. What you are really proposing is universal healthcare with the government being the administrator, much like the VA. That would be a great call.

    Porter, the problem is always in the understanding of the policy. As your article notes, the urgent care locations take the insurance as an office co pay. What the policy holder sometimes fails to understand is that the facility charges for the urgent care are charged to them on an 80/20 basis as an example. So the policy holder thinks they are only paying 30 bucks or whatever the copay is and then they get charged a percentage of the remainder of the incurred bill. You have provided very good advice sir, very good advice indeed.

  33. Porter Lansing

    Demanding that Republicans REPEAL OBAMACARE is the most liberal action we can take.
    1. It will seal their fate
    2. We can’t have Medicare for all until the outrage over repealing Obamacare has reached a fever pitch
    3. Demanding repeal will make Republicans do just the opposite, for spite.
    4. It will be a win/win for liberals. If they refuse to repeal it, we win. If they do repeal it, we win.