Rep. Fred Deutsch (R-4/Deutsch) insists that, if he wins reëlection to the House, he’ll bring some new and improved form of his paranoid potty bill, the anti-transgender discrimination that Governor Dennis Daugaard wisely vetoed this Session. Rep. Deutsch says he’ll look to North Carolina as a model.
Yes, Fred, let’s:
PayPal on Tuesday canceled plans to open a global operations center in Charlotte, North Carolina and invest $3.6 million in the area after the state passed a controversial law targeting lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) citizens.
The digital payment company’s protest is the first by a major business after North Carolina became the first state last month to enact a measure requiring people to use bathrooms or locker rooms in schools and other public facilities that match the gender on their birth certificate rather than their gender identity.
The law, which overturned a Charlotte city ordinance, was widely interpreted as an attack on LGBT rights. State lawmakers also voted to prohibit local governments from enacting anti-discrimination protections based on sexual orientation and gender identity.
“The new law perpetuates discrimination and it violates the values and principles that are at the core of PayPal’s mission and culture,” Chief Executive Officer Dan Schulman said in a statement [“PayPal Pulls $3.6M North Carolina Plan After Transgender Law,” Reuters via MSNBC, 2016.04.06].
It’s already so hard to recruit businesses to South Dakota that Rep. Deutsch and the Legislature gives the Governor $46 million in GOED mad money just to entice companies to the prairie. Raising the banner of discrimination and spite even higher will only make our economic development challenges harder.
Fred Deutsch and the Republican Party: willing to tank South Dakota’s economy in the name of bigotry.
If people don’t want deviants using bathrooms other than their biological makeup, so be it.
Someone extremely aged and experienced like Grudznick should take young Mr. Deutsch aside and advise him to choose wisely whether he wants his legislative tenure categorized by ridiculousness or by serious policy making.
Gov Dayton has halted all MN state employee travel to NC and Mississippi b/c of these hate law. Go Dayton!
Fred should have stood his ground rather than caving. If the bill was good enough to fight for it in the beginning it was good enough to fight for it after the veto. His integrity took a nose dive.
Don’t think Gov Daugaard didn’t know he was doing when he vetoed the SD hate bill this session. Economic boycotts are beginning in these states and the LGBT has the LGBT has millions upon millions of supporters. Don’t think a boycott couldn’t happen in tiny, rural SD if a hate bill passes next session.
Hey, “Good Sense”, instead of trying to brand your comments with an anonymous noun phrase, how about putting a personal name to your comment? Let’s speak as neighbors, not slogans.
Governor Daugaard should take his veto to the next level and cement it in economic development policy by copying Vermont Governor Shumlin’s effort to recruit to PayPal. Get a big company or two like PayPal to move here specifically on the promise that we won’t discriminate the way North Carolina and Mississippi are, and the Governor could use that as a hammer to beat down future anti-LGBT bills.
We should oppose discrimination because it is wrong (the opposite of “good sense”), not because it costs us money. But if the only language Republicans understand is money, then we need to speak that language, too.
Yes, Jenny, following Governor Dayton’s example is a good idea, too.
Fred Dëutsch embracing anyone or anything is cringe-worthy just in it’s percepted fantasy. (Worry not, Nellie. I’ll leave you alone, princess. I’m a gracious winner. Just waiting for my cab.) lol
Does Deutsch rhyme with douche?
Also, Lionsgate has shut down operations on a t.v. show filmed in NC and moving it to Canada.
and Canada is a freakin’ socialist country! Oh,the horror!! Anyway,this bill will not stop determined sexual predators from crossdressing to get at victims. It will be a burden to transgenders and place them in danger-which I suppose is the whole point of morons who have never tasted the milk of human kindness.
I think Fred is just trying to get a rise out of everyone now. Can’t imagine he’s serious. Even so…..
“PayPal does business in 25 countries where homosexual behavior is illegal, including 5 countries where the penalty is death, yet they object to the North Carolina legislature bathroom bill?”
Let’s boycott PayPal until they pull out of these 25 countries. Until then my sense is they are just enjoying a little free advertising here and their concern for the LGBT folks isn’t all that deep.
They object because this is USA, not another place with different expectations as to proper conduct by a government “for all the people”. You boycott PayPal and tell us what validity you have to “sense” anything a huge corporation is doing. Or is it just a desire that it be that way with no factual analysis or basis of opinion?
I can’t stand you Porter, does that make me a bigot?
You don’t know me, Hickey. You know only the valid criticism I have for you, and it’s criticism you hate.
Why can’t everybody just agree that discriminating and distinguishing things in the universe is a bad idea, and respect everyone’s choice to self-identify as whatever they want? For example, I respect the above individual’s choice to identify as “Good Sense”, for shame Cory that you would discourage this individual from self identifying how they choose to self identify.
And Steve, for shame on you too! PayPal self identifies as pro-LGBT in the States, and anti-LGBT in those 25 countries. We are all allowed to self identify, and re-self identify whenever we want, to include changing identities based on physical location.
Wait, unless you are unfortunate enough to be an unborn baby. If that is your situation, you are forbidden from self identifying as a person. Sorry!
The important thing is that everyone feels good about themselves (except unborn babies, they don’t have feelings), and is allowed to maintain hypocritical stances, especially if it makes them money.
Porter, 80% of what I get is criticism – only 20% kudos. I’m happy with that ratio.
Joseph, you are right on.
BTW everyone, I’m not for these transgender bathroom bills. Selective moral outrage from the right and left is frustrating to me. Did you notice the ELCA-SD on the one side issued an official diocese statement against these bills but they sit quiet on usury in SD? Same story for the SD Catholics. They issued a diocese statement supporting the bathroom bills but crickets on usury in SD.
Amazing what gets various people all charged up. Please Fred – my good friend – push your church on this other issue too. Thx.
Ah, but Lynn Ryan, Lionsgate is also motivated by the fact that North Carolina won’t offer them tax incentives for their hulu pilot “Crushed,” while rainy Vancouver might.
Steve is going to wrap us up in knots on selective moral outrage. Our bad decisions in numerous other instances do not render our good decisions in this instance invalid. My daughter’s burping at the dinner table will not stop me from applauding her proper execution of a pirouette at her recital.
I guess if you really want to boycott PayPal, that’s your business, but then instead of quick and easy clicking, you’ll have to send your Blog Tip Jar money by check to 912 N 1st St, Aberdeen, SD 57401. :-D
Hickey … If 80% of the people think you’re trying to hijack Christianity for your own selfish motives and position yourself above the words of Jesus, who am I to argue with them?
Mr. Nelson … very valid post, IMHO. However, there’s no such thing as an “unborn baby”. Cells divide and reproduce before you become a life and cells divide and reproduce after you’ve died. You’re not a human life until you’re born and you cease to be a human life when you die. God alone gives a baby the breath of life at birth, no matter what political agenda “right to lifers” try to float on the pond of guilt.
What’s wrong with this picture? North Carolina was giving PayPal $3.7M in incentives for PayPal’s $3.6M investment in their operations center. Also PayPal’s restroom policies would not have been affected by NC law. They could have set any policy they wanted including multiple stall, gender neutral restrooms.
It’s also interesting to find out that while PayPal is pulling the plug on the NC expansion due to the untenable situation where their employees will not have equal rights under the law, it’s “damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead” in exploring expansion opportunities in Cuba, where it’s hardly all rainbows and unicorns for homosexuals. Hypocrisy knows no bounds.
Joseph, on names and self-identification: I’ve maintained a somewhat liberal comment policy. As long as a person doesn’t hide from me with complete anonymity, I generally let faux-monikered comments slide. But phrases are too generic, too impersonal, and too manipulative. After all, how silly is it for us to try to argue with Good Sense? ;-)
We should all speak on the same footing, trusting each other with our names in honest discussion and, sometimes, disagreement. That makes for better discourse.
And remember,kiddies, wingnuts are anti-gay, anti-women’s right’s all around the world.
Especially when taxpayer dollars are at stake. Former wingnut pooh-bah Hastert had molested at least four young students of his and prolly a lot more. He is begging for leniency. Put him in regular prison so he can see how inmates feel about child molestors.
In the past week or so the governor of Georgia vetoed the anti-LGBT in their state for precisely the same reason Governor Daugaard did.
Although South Dakota didn’t receive any direct threats of an economic boycott, Georgia apparently did.
This whole fight for equality must be fought on a economic level, it is the only thing state governments understand.
What does gay have to do with transgender?? I have always been told they are separate, so why are they always linked together? Is it a way to try add numbers to a cause where all unnatural mindsets are lumped into one??
The problem with ALL the “religious freedom” laws that have been passed – or tried to pass – is the simple fact that they all revolve around sexual behavior, and are simply designed to protect the person claiming “religious objections” freedom from any and all legal consequences of his/her actions. BTW, nowhere in the Bible is anyone promised freedom from consequences, instead, Jesus says, QUITE CLEARLY, “Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness’ sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. 11 “Blessed are you when people revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely[b] on my account. 12 Rejoice and be glad, for your reward is great in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.” (Matt. 10-12) Second BTW: Our Constitution guarantees equal rights under the law. “Article XIV (Amendment 14 – Rights Guaranteed: Privileges and Immunities of Citizenship, Due Process, and Equal Protection)
1: All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.” Even LGBTs. Even Fred Deutsch.
Considering that there are nuns who are serving time in prison in this country for protesting nuclear weapons, wanting a free ride for refusing to bake a cake looks pathetic. Considering that people were and are waterhosed, beaten, and imprisoned for fighting for civil rights in this country, wanting a free ride so you don’t have to serve someone who’s gay looks ridiculous.
Let me know when “religious freedom” laws include the freedom to oppose war, the death penalty, nuclear weapons, or anything else except sex, WITHOUT LEGAL REPERCUSSIONS, and I might agree to them. Until then, you want rights? Pay for them, like everyone else has, does, and will.
Why is the left so wrapped up in sex?? The major vetting process for Democratic voters is how a candidate feels about LBGT rights, so it is the left who is crazy about abnormal sex!
“the left”—good grief, Stu, why are you so wrapped up in framing every discussion in your talk-radio-shouting labels? Boring and uninstructive.
“The Left” isn’t occupying every legislative session with bills about people’s sexual practices, preferences, and identities.
Stu’s assertion about “the major vetting process” is complete nonsense, based on more figments of his imagination. I have encountered no such vetting, major or minor.
Wrong again,Stumpy. It is people of your ilk that choose to declare a natural behavior, deviant behavior. It is your kind that scream they get cooties if they see people of the same sex hold hands. It is your un-kristian principles that make people like you determined to inject your morals into everyone else’s life. You and yours just can’t abide people not the exact same as you, in a loving relationship.
Your lord and saviour said he didn’t like figs-not fags. Love your neighbors,Stumpy. Your god does.
figments of his imagination
Uh,maybe they are really fagments of his imagination. No offense to any LGBT persons.
I might a bit old fashioned here, however in schools and other public buildings Males should use the boys’ or men’s rest room and females should use the girls or women’s rest room.
If a private business wants to have a transgender restroom, that is okay; if they want to have an open, unisex washroom, that is something they can do; and if they want to go to the other extreme and give every employee their own personal washroom no one is stopping them. The employees can decide whether or not they would like to continue working there.
We as society really need to get over this sex identification thing.
Are you kidding me?? I know a lot of left voters who would not vote for a Democrat if they had any convictions that were not in line with the LGBT community, no matter if everything else they believed in was good for the country, as liberals view it. If you again say I am full of BS, you either have your head in the sand or are just a plain liar. Mike are you a GMO guy or an anti GMO guy. You see a lot of people and mainly on the left are anti GMO, calling it unnatural. Some people and mostly on the right find much of the LBGT community unnatural. They don’t hate the people, they just don’t agree with the lifestyle and feel it is damaging to our country. God hates sin, but loves all sinners, but that doesn’t mean that God is accepting of everything. We all have different beliefs and that does not make us haters anymore than it makes you a hater for disagreeing with me.
By the way, Eve, a liberal, was the one who brought up the sex once again, not me the Republican.
MC you are condemning kids to and condoning verbal and physical harassment of children in schools.
Mike, as a general rule, males should use the boys’ or men’s rest room and females should use the girls or women’s rest room. If the parents, administration and the school board agree, they can use an open unisex rest rooms or individual wash rooms or what ever can be agreed upon.
You’re funny Stump, you really are. Blaming Dems on the obsession with sex when it’s the ‘pubs who have always made the freak laws about sexual behavior like punishing unwed moms, banning premarital sex, banning gay marriage.
Again, how is gay marriage damaging to the country and a threat to straight marriage? How is being transgender damaging to the country?
Gay marriage is good for the economy. Embracing transgenders instead of shunning them is a positive step forward to try to decrease the shame and stigma they have felt all their lives.
I have known so many gay people in MN and it is so refreshing to see the openness of who they are and to see them not trying to hide it. I don’t know anyone under thirty who is against the LGBT community here, I really don’t. The anti-LGBT people are slowly dying off so get over it, bigots.
You can keep your guns ‘pubs, but leave the LGBT people alone.
Making laws, really? You mean the LGBT changing laws and rules in regards to sex, not the other way around, but spin it how you want. I believe as time goes on that having a father and mother is the best thing for a child, but time will tell. So full of hate and name calling, but we have come to expect that from the left.
Jenny, you want kids to be embracing transgenders? Minds and beliefs are being formed in school, and providing a separate facility for self-identified transgenders does nothing to discriminate, in fact it clarifies. Why have separate facilities for males and females? Because there are differences. There are differences with transgenders….a self proclaimed female with a penis is different. Avoid the issue, give them a safe facility. It protects everyone.
I’ll double dip here….those that claim to hate the Deutsch bill should be up in arms that we have a two-facility system. By your logic, it should be a free for all, use whichever facility is available, any time. No, it doesn’t work that way because the system was based on the human anatomy, the only verifiable evidence available. If someone claims to be a different gender than the anatomy they were born with, that is fine. But to avoid any confusion, a separate facility for their use makes great sense. Admit the difference, be proud of the difference, and the rest of us can respect that difference, even if we don’t understand it.
Actually, almost all bathrooms throughout history, including outhouses, used to be unisex. Most bathrooms still are – after all, the one toilet that is still used by both old and young, male and female, without any problems is the one in their home. As far as I can tell, no one has a problem with that, nor do they do pants checks on guests. People go in, shut the door, and if necessary, lock the door and use the toilet. No problem.
Jeff,what’s your problem with children learning to love and get along with other kids? If you people on the right had paid attention to lessons in school or Sesame Street or even churches, then maybe you could have learned to get along with those different from you. Being gay or lesbian or transgendered is not some mistake made by nature or even your god. It is not the product of recruitment or liberal education or anything else you can conjure up. It is normal. It is a normal part of being a human being. It is decided,for the most part, in utero- to the best of what little knowledge I have.
OTOH, you are certainly entitled to your beliefs.
Two loving fathers or two loving mothers raising their children is better than one or none at all.
Children just want loving parents, they don’t really give a shit what gender their parents are. Only the ‘pubs have the genital obsession.
the dude abides. otoh, stumcfarlan lets us know:
“that doesn’t mean that God is accepting of everything. We all have different beliefs.”
“if your God is a being who designs universes, listens to prayers, forgives sins, wreaks miracles, reads your thoughts, cares about your welfare and raises you from the dead”, sometimes the left catches on a bit quicker.
there’s this: “people don’t want deviants using bathrooms other than their biological makeup”
then there’s sex. and ” figments of his imagination”, and “lord and saviour said he didn’t like figs-not fags”.
can anyone provide a recording of their conversation with God?
the threat from the American Taliban confounds even the pros.
John Paul II wrote a letter endorsing Darwinism, but Richard Dawkins’s response was simply that the pope was a hypocrite, that he could not be genuine about science and that Dawkins himself simply preferred an honest fundamentalist.
so we still fight over bathrooms and SD republicans look to the Carolinas and Mississippi for ideas to hold on to what “mom&dad taught me!!” to help stem the tide of change.
blahblahblah.
sorry. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/richard-dawkins/why-there-almost-certainl_b_32164.html
I’m far less interested in everyone else’s sex and gender than I am in making sure we don’t get screwed economically by discriminatory policy.
Rep. Fred Deutsch (R) has a problem that we don’t need. Or ought I say he is a problem we don’t need. Either way we need legislators who represent all of the people rather than special interest groups.
god is too busy lately forgiving sins of southern wingnut kristian pols to hear any other complaints.
Stum says “So full of hate and name calling, but we have come to expect that from the left.” Ever heard of the Donald, Rubio, and Cruz? Fox news? Glen Beck? Rush Limbaugh? All righties. And there are those lefties..Rachel Maddow, Bill Maher, Jeff Farias. All are entertainers who preach hate for greed. Left, right, left, right, what ever happened to down the middle? Those above and all like them have taken that away from us.
We had rightie Lee Schoenbeck “So full of hate and name calling” which was a surprise, but it was aimed at another rightie.
I get a charge out of guys like Duetsch. A big city boy from a Jewish family moves to SD and rides his white bike through out the country side to save us all from evil….while at least the evil that he does not agree with.
While on the Watertown School Board, Fred told Pierre, leave us alone, we know what is best for us in Watertown, we want local control!!!!….and oh a few of those state dollars maybe.
Then the good Doc goes to Pierre and tells Washington to leave us alone, we know what is best for us in South Dakota, we want local control!!!!…and oh a few of those federal dollars maybe.
One morning Fred gets up, looks out that rose colored window and sees that all those fools on those local school boards do not know what is good for them anymore! Some one might go into the wrong crapper!
(One key difference: Lee Schoenbeck was right about the pond scum. ;-) )
I have disagree. Schoenbeck was out of place and where he chose to do it. showed he is just as bad if not worse.
A lesson for those in South Dakota having issues with transgender, homosexuality, socialism etc. Attitudes change. Because you live where you do, attitudes change more slowly than most places. There’s not a damn thing you can do about it and eventually your attitude will change also, as it already has on so many things. In the meantime coniving politicians like Noem, Rounds, Hickey, Deutsch, Schoenbeck, Nelson and self-centered civilians like Powers and Jones will use your desire for attitudes to stay the same against you. They’ll tell you that they’ll make sure attitudes and procedures won’t change in South Dakota but really they can’t do that. They’ll get you to vote for them, which is all they really want. They’ll get the power, you’ll get screwed and attitudes and procedures will change anyway. Your best bet is to realize that it’s gonna change and it’ll be easier, less painful and less expensive if you just accept it and roll with the flow. Then unscrupulous politicians won’t get rich off your desire for something that just can’t happen, no matter what they tell you. Your Governor realizes this. The Republican Party realizes this and it’s only you, with your desire for things to stay the same who get run over by that big truck hauling what’s bound to happen anyway. Or friends, dig in your heels and grind your teeth and be continually disappointed, angry and confused as has happened every time you’ve tried to resist change before.
Eve, I was specifically referring to multi-person facilities.
So, In conclusion … VOTE FOR CORY Things are going to change and it’s better to change earlier than last. Changing early has benefits. Changing last has few. Cory cares deeply about people and he’ll be in Pierre to nudge that change in the right direction for District 3.
*just my unsolicited endorsement ☺
Schoenbeck was definitely wrong in supporting Deutsch on the potty bill. Help us out, Watertown: elect replacements for Schoenbeck, Solum, and Holien who won’t back Deutsch’s attempt to drive ecnoomic development away just so he can get into Heaven, or whatever he thinks he’ll achieve with his crusade.
And thanks, Porter! Incredibly, I’m the pragmatist, trying to protect South Dakota’s economic development from ideological absolutism. Ha!
Mr. Schoenbeck was oft wrong. Wronger than wrong often, but he did stick a few sharp sticks in Mr. Gosh’s side and that was fun. We should salute Mr. Schoenbeck for his successes this past year. By the Conservatives for Common Sense scorecards, Mr. S and his caucus had a very, very successful legislature.
Cory,
Now you are advancing the discussion we should be having about the potty bill, that is how we use politics and elections to rid the legislature of Deutsch and those like him.
This potty debate has gone on long enough, people have their minds made up and aren’t going to budge. By campaigning against the anti-LGBT we as voters can make it clear what we expect of our legislature. In short, get your damn heads out of the toilet.
Seriously, Deutsch and company think this transgender issue has just all of a fallen from the heavens. What was the problem with where these kids went to the bathroom a year ago, ten years, or 40 years ago?
When was the last time anyone went into a public restroom anywhere and someone was shaking their junk? It just doesn’t happen.
I have a friend that is a single father of two young girls, at their ages he does not want them to go to girls bathroom alone, so when they do need to use the potty he takes them into the men’s restroom, he said the men in the restroom are very courteous and respectful of his daughters.
It seems to me it is the left fringe and the right fringe, insaner than most, who are focused on the potty bills.
Stop it. Or remain fringe.
HB 1008 made its way through the Legislature by these votes:
HB 1008, House State Affairs, Do Pass Amended
Bartling Nay Bolin Yea Haggar (Don) Yea
Hawley Nay Langer Yea Mickelson Yea
Munsterman Yea Solum Nay Stevens Yea
Verchio Yea Wink Yea Westra Yea
Gosch Yea
Ayes 10 Nays 3 Excused 0 Absent 0
HB 1008, House, Do Pass Amended
Anderson Yea Bartling Nay Beal Yea
Bolin Yea Bordeaux Nay Brunner Yea
Campbell Yea Conzet Yea Craig Yea
Cronin Yea Deutsch Yea DiSanto Yea
Dryden Yea Duvall Yea Feickert Excused
Gibson Nay Gosch Yea Greenfield (Lana) Yea
Haggar (Don) Yea Harrison Yea Haugaard Yea
Hawks Nay Hawley Nay Heinemann (Leslie) Yea
Holmes Yea Hunhoff (Jean) Yea Hunt Yea
Jensen (Alex) Yea Johns Yea Kaiser Excused
Killer Nay Kirschman Nay Klumb Yea
Langer Yea Latterell Yea Marty Yea
May Yea McCleerey Nay Mickelson Yea
Munsterman Yea Novstrup (Al) Yea Otten (Herman) Yea
Partridge Yea Peterson (Kent) Yea Qualm Yea
Rasmussen Yea Ring Yea Romkema Yea
Rounds Yea Rozum Nay Russell Yea
Schaefer Yea Schoenbeck Yea Schoenfish Yea
Schrempp Yea Sly Yea Soli Nay
Solum Yea Stalzer Yea Steinhauer Yea
Stevens Yea Tulson Yea Verchio Yea
Werner Yea Westra Yea Wiik Yea
Willadsen Yea Wollmann Yea Zikmund Yea
Wink Yea
Ayes 58 Nays 10 Excused 2 Absent 0
HB 1008, Senate Education, Do Pass
Curd Excused Frerichs Nay Greenfield (Brock) Yea
Hunhoff (Bernie) Nay Rampelberg Yea Solano Yea
Soholt Yea
Ayes 4 Nays 2 Excused 1 Absent 0
Senate:
The question being “Shall HB 1008 pass as amended?”
And the roll being called:
Yeas 20, Nays 15, Excused 0, Absent 0
Yeas:
Brown; Cammack; Curd; Ewing; Greenfield (Brock); Haggar (Jenna); Haverly; Heineman (Phyllis); Holien; Jensen (Phil); Monroe; Novstrup (David); Olson; Omdahl; Otten (Ernie); Rampelberg; Rusch; Shorma; Solano; Van Gerpen
Nays:
Bradford; Buhl O’Donnell; Fiegen; Frerichs; Heinert; Hunhoff (Bernie); Parsley; Peters; Peterson (Jim); Soholt; Sutton; Tidemann; Tieszen; Vehle; White
So the bill having received an affirmative vote of a majority of the members-elect, the President declared the bill passed and the title was agreed to.
Gov. Daugaard vetoed 1008.
Override vote in SD House:
HB 1008, House, Veto override
Anderson Yea Bartling Nay Beal Yea
Bolin Yea Bordeaux Nay Brunner Yea
Campbell Yea Conzet Yea Craig Yea
Cronin Yea Deutsch Nay DiSanto Yea
Dryden Nay Duvall Nay Feickert Yea
Gibson Nay Gosch Yea Greenfield (Lana) Yea
Haggar (Don) Yea Harrison Yea Haugaard Yea
Hawks Nay Hawley Nay Heinemann (Leslie) Yea
Holmes Yea Hunhoff (Jean) Nay Hunt Yea
Jensen (Alex) Nay Johns Excused Kaiser Excused
Killer Nay Kirschman Nay Klumb Yea
Langer Yea Latterell Yea Marty Yea
May Yea McCleerey Nay Mickelson Nay
Munsterman Yea Novstrup (Al) Yea Otten (Herman) Yea
Partridge Nay Peterson (Kent) Nay Qualm Yea
Rasmussen Nay Ring Nay Romkema Nay
Rounds Yea Rozum Nay Russell Yea
Schaefer Yea Schoenbeck Excused Schoenfish Nay
Schrempp Excused Sly Nay Soli Nay
Solum Nay Stalzer Yea Steinhauer Yea
Stevens Nay Tulson Yea Verchio Yea
Werner Excused Westra Nay Wiik Yea
Willadsen Yea Wollmann Nay Zikmund Nay
Wink Nay
Ayes 36 Nays 29 Excused 5 Absent 0 Failed needed 47 ayes
Please note the AYE voters above and DO NOT return them Nov. 8!
By the way, who is running against Dr. Deutsch in District 4??
That’s a lot of gobbertygoo that an old fellow like I can’t really understand, but it seems like there were more common sense fellows in the Senate side of the legislatures. That is apt to change after all the nut jobs get into the Senate side after these next elections. The potty bill will probably pass next time. I’m just sayin…
A bathroom door has never stopped rape, murder or anything else…what makes these politicians think their law will stop it? Transgendered people have been going to “their” bathroom for years without problems. All of a sudden Republicans need another group to brand “evil” because they certainly can’t campaign on their records. The Republican Party has failed. Failed the people. Failed the nation. Failed the world.
PayPal will continue to do business in Muslim nations where homosexuality is a crime punishable by imprisonment or death.
Which just goes to show PayPal isn’t really interested in the civil rights of LGBT people, they just don’t like Christians. They think Muslims are okay.
The bathroom bill was ridiculous all the way around. First it was a solution in search of a problem, but apparently the school boards wanted it. (These are the same school boards which tell the teachers they are not responsible for what they do with money. ) Then it got a lot of people who don’t live here, much less have children in school here, absolutely hysterical.
So that’s when I decided to read it, and what it said was that transgender students have to be provided with a private accommodation. So after the governor vetoed it, the schools don’t even have to rent a port-a-potty. The transgendered kids will just have to go outside, in the shrubbery, no matter what the weather. Or get beat up by bullies no matter which bathroom they use.
The veto was a great victory for LGBT people.
Not so much for the school boards, which now have to figure this out on their own.
Ms Beal,if you wingnuts would endeavor to get your ____together, aw who am I kidding. Religious spouting right wingers push bills like this to be mean. It also inflames your party’s base and gets them eager to vote. It is also unconstitutional, imho.
It might help to try and understand the thinking behind a whole bunch of this stuff. In Mr Deutch’s case, I don’t think he’s so naive to think that a bill like HB 1008 is going to stop sexually deviant or predatory behavior…… He thinks of it as a public safety issue. He’s doing the public a service by protecting us from ourselves. It’s that same old theory that passage of law will actually modify majority behavior and reduce the potential for criminal or morally unacceptable behavior. The law standing alone can’t and doesn’t perform that modification. It is the history and effectiveness of enforcement of it that creates that condition. Was their a “penalty clause” attached to HB 1008? Can anyone fathom a county sheriff, city police officer or any body toting a badge, arresting a juvenile transgender student for entering a bathroom of his choice. Let’s set this up another way: Lets just suppose that a straight kid with an active labido and a brash personality just goes into the girls bathroom for kicks thereby causing a bunch of embarrassment and screaming….. The kid leaves with a grin on his face feeling smug. All his buddies slap him on the back and get a charge out of the performance…… Is that kid going to get prosecuted or just disciplined by the school……. There are realities and history that aren’t being lived up to in any of this and in typical religious fundamentalist style, it is failure to recognize the obvious. Where there is no harm (particularly when the harm defines description), there can be no foul.
Can John Public run around demanding pols drop trousers so we can see if they are anatomically correct? Do unto others……what?
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/nov/10/transgender-woman-jailed-iowa-drury-inn
Lookee what I just found. Transgenders aren’t all that safe in iowa. Pile on progressive iowa.
You lefties and righties aren’t that much different. Seek the middle ground and find people you can hate together. Identify transgender and homosexual hippies that smoke pot not for medical reasons, but strictly for enhancing cartoon enjoyment. Together as one big, happy, political family, you can judge them, hate them, and jail them.
‘Bathroom law’ puts North Carolina governor in crossfire of GOP civil war
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/nc-gov-mccrory-struggles-to-navigate-wildly-shifting-gop-waters/2016/04/13/c35efb24-019d-11e6-9d36-33d198ea26c5_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_northcarolina7p%3Ahomepage%2Fstory
Someone please explain to me how when someone does not want to bake and sell a wedding cake to a gay couple, they are haters, but when Bruce Springsteen disagrees and makes a personal conviction, he is lauded as a saint by the left??? Do you lefties not see the hypocrisy??
Stumcfar – it’s really simple. It’s called voting with their wallet. The non-cake bakers voted with their wallet, turning down the gay people’s business. Springsteen voted with his wallet, turning down the gate from NC. That’s what capitalism is all about.
Stumcfar – I’ll take a stab at it. The Boss cancelled his show because the law EXCLUDES transgender folks from using their bathroom of preference. He’s saying it’s better to INCLUDE folks, since that’s the only real moral and ethical stance. Discriminating against people IS exclusion. Guess your tent just ain’t all that big, eh?
Stu, I doubt that you really want or need an explanation, but just in case someone reading this blog thinks you have a legitimate point, here goes:
A baker who refuses to bake a cake for a gay couple is discriminating against lawful private behavior that harms no one except the feelings of the baker. (By the way, why do the baker’s feelings apparently tolerate other types of sinners, such as those who violate the 10 commandments by murder [after they serve their time], or by lying, or by disrespecting their parents, or by stealing, or by working on Sunday, or who commit adultery, etc, etc, etc, or those people who violate any of the other prohibitions set down in Leviticus et al, such as eating incorrect food, wearing the wrong fabric, or failing to stone sinners to death – I mean what in the world, or the Bible to be more precise, makes gay marriage a worse sin?)
Anyway, a musician who discriminates against a State due to its bigoted laws is discriminating against public policy that harms an entire class of people.
So in the first case, the objection is to a baker treating an entire class of people as undeserving outcasts. And in the second case the objection is to a State treating an entire class of people as undeserving outcasts. In both cases the objector does not believe it is right to treat an entire class of people as undeserving outcasts.
In addition to the healthy moral distinctions offered by Eve, Cross, and Bear, I suugest there is also a legal difference that sinks Stu’s specious attempt at morally equating stands for exclusive injustice and stands for inclusive justice.
The pious baker has chosen to operate a public accommodation. The pious baker cannot refuse service to gay customers just because they are gay but still serve cakes and pies to the next straight people in line.
PayPal and Springsteen are not operating public accommodations. They are choosing whether or not to do business with an oppressive regime (akin to sanctions against South Africa to protest apartheid, or sanctions against Cuba to protest their Communism, human rights abuses, and facilitation of Soviet hegemony, which sanctions Stu now obliges himself to condemn). If PayPal did open an office in North Carolina, it would be obliged to hire, pay, and provide benefits without regard to race, religion, or political persuasion. If Springsteen did perform in Charlotte, he couldn’t turn Republicans, holy rollers, and bigots away at the door. But PayPal and Springsteen have chosen not to business at all in North Carolina, which means they aren’t engaged in any discrimination at all.
Pious bakers have the same moral option as PayPal and Springsteen. They can protect their moral integrity by choosing not to enter the marketplace and offer a public accommodation that would require them to serve sinners. But once you open the doors to sell cakes, play music, and take calls, you sacrifice some moral autonomy to the demands of equal treatment in public accommodations.
Hmmm… just wondering… is a blog comment section a public accommodation?
I’ve always wondered why these pious businesses that want to discriminate don’t have a sign in their windows saying ‘No LGBT’s ALLOWED’.
They could even put in all their advertising in local papers and on the internet.
Discriminatory signs in the Jim Crow era were very effective. Bring back those signs so we all know where businesses stand.
How is it discriminatory? People put capital out there and start a business and then are forced to serve a cliental that is unnatural in their mind. They couldn’t have been the only cake baking business. Springsteen discriminated against his ticket holders also using your model, but that is okay? How is it discriminatory to have someone use the bathroom for the sex they are and not the made up sex they think they are?? Come on people, is there no common sense on the left anymore??
No shoes, no shirt, no service???
Don’t forget, it is a made up class of people. There are only two types, male and female, the rest is made up in the mind. But lets just make up new rules and laws to protect everyone who makes up something about themselves.
No shoes or shirt, No service is a health code regulation not a choice to discriminate. If you sell guns you can’t have a half price sale and say, “NO REPUBLICANS”.
Stumcfar … It’s good that you read this blog because you’re ignorant to the ruling from the Supreme Court. You have this belief in rights that you just don’t have. Not serving any segment of the public FOR RELIGIOUS REASONS is discrimination and refusing to follow that law is criminal and results in fines and/or jail. You have NO common sense. You have BIGOTED sense. What you’re doing is bullying just like the two who called the little boy names is bullying. We all know what happens to bullies.
Stu, now you’re just deliberately not getting it. Your attempted false equivalence was crushed by Eve, Cross, Bear, and me with clear arguments that moved the ball, and you came back and just repeated yourself.
As for your statement about there being only two types of people, male and female, are you changing your argument from gay couples to transgender customers?
Don’t transgender folks agree with you? There are males and females, and I’m a ____. You’re just trying to bludgeon other people with your words into your definition of categories. Really, your position is as offensive as if I were teaching, saw a kid with long hair, and declared “You’re a girl,” despite the student’s insistence that he is a boy.
stumf reminds me of Sibson calling me a racist for calling out his racism.
If stumf doesn’t understand equality at this point in his life, he never will.
I sincerely doubt Stumpy wants to understand and/or learn.