In a report on Senator Bernie Sanders’s apparent popularity among young women, USA Today quotes USD student Taryn Hogarth on her willingness to jump the gender gap for Sanders:
Taryn Hogarth, 22, a University of South Dakota student, said the history-making prospect of a woman president is a deciding factor for her mother but not her. She trusts Sanders more than Clinton to get money out of politics and reform the criminal justice system. Though Sanders has served in Congress since 1990, she still sees him as “a fresh face” who makes her “excited for our government.”
“I would love to have a woman president, but I’d like the right woman president,” she said. “I want this to be based on the ideas and what they’re going to do for our country” [Nicole Gaudiano and Heidi Przybyla, “Sanders a Hit with Millennial Women,” USA Today, 2016.01.14].
Tail-end-Gen-Xer Chelsea Clinton wants to pull Hogarth back to their moms’ side by claiming that Sanders’s single-payer health care proposal would “strip millions and millions and millions of people off their health insurance.” USA Today doesn’t ask Hogarth or the other young women in its article where they stand on health care, but they ought to: according to the recent NBC/WSJ/Marist poll that shows Sanders three points behind Clinton among likely Democratic Iowa caucus-goers, health care is the second most important issue for those voters, behind job creation and economic growth. And Sanders can turn to those voters and say that, far from taking health coverage away from anyone, his 2013 single-payer proposal would insure everyone, including the millions ObamaCare still hasn’t covered, and would offset increased taxes with even larger savings on insurance premiums for the bottom 95% of American wage-earners.
Invincible as they are, young voters may not pay as much attention to health care politics as older voters. But if young women like Hogarth can defy assumptions we might make about gender allegiance, perhaps they’ll surprise us on health care as well.
Taryn’s right. More than that, I think Hillary’s time to clinch the nomination has passed. I don’t think for one second Bernie Sanders has what it takes to win the general election nor to be President. He’s a voice in the wind that’s better suited for the organized cacophony known as Congress. Until recently, he was the gadfly who could be counted upon to provide commentary on any issue when MSNBC was looking for someone (anyone!) to spout a soundbite. But Commander in Chief? The fact Hillary’s losing to him speaks volumes of how soft her support base is.
I’m a loyal Democrat, but I wasn’t born yesterday. The Dems have the wrong people running. The right person is Elizabeth Warren. Bernie’s a long way from the real deal. Hillary’s a has been. Nobody can remember Martin O’Malley’s name, and why should they?
Who knows, Elizabeth Warren could be Bernie’s VP. I could use 4 years of Bernie and 8 of Elizabeth that is for sure. Bernie has one helluva message though that resonates across party lines. The busting up of the big banks brings joy to my heart and Medicare for all, well that would be the ultimate. Big business wants the single payer without a doubt as they can see the past and present do not do enough to save them money and even the republican front runner wants Medicare for all. Bernie could get it done and he will.
Sanders seems more electable than Clinton. Especially with the opportunity for a Sanders/Warren ticket. Now we just gotta get a Trump/Carson ticket for the Republicans and the Dems have a slam dunk! Even if Bernie is a dreamer compared to Clinton, I’d rather have a third of Bernie’s policies than two thirds of Clinton’s
Elizabeth Warren has said repeatedly that she is not running for president, period.
Food for thought. Glad a young person said it. But how important is it really when all conflict in the nation and world is god based. Richard dawkins phd and lawrence krause phd eliminate any reality of god with simple biology in 5 minutes of casual educated discussion. Who cares , one Could Ask? Youtube
Bernie has wonderful policy ideas but there is that pesky Congress. Unless Democrats can win the House and Senate back, which seems doubtful at least in 2016, it appears Bernie will have just as tough of a time as Obama achieving any legislative change.
Hillary might not do much better, but her hawkishness and Wall Street sympathies might give her some ability to get cooperation from establishment Republicans on legislation that might benefit middle class folks and those in need, as she has been an advocate for poverty programs for most of here career. And she might be able to work a deal and get a Supreme Court Justice confirmed by the Senate.
In a different environment Bernie could be the best thing our Country could ever wish for. In this political environment, I’m not so confident.
I’m for Hillary, because she’s as close to a black woman as we are going to get in a while, unless Michelle Obama runs. President Obama’s strength is that he’s cool. Nothing phases him, except, I guess, gun violence. He seems to turn the other cheek too much. Now Michelle would kick ass and take names. That’s really my kind of President. Hillary is kind of in the middle. She’ll kick ass, then after a while, she’ll forgive, until she has to kick ass again. That’s what she’s had to do with Bill. Her ability to do that showed also by joining Obama’s administration after she got beat. That’s probably a good quality in a wife of an alpha male, or as head of a government that has a lot of pretend alpha males.
Mainly, I think Hillary would appoint a lot of qualified women to positions of high authority. It’s about time some of these over-privileged but unqualified, career-climbing but incompetent white males were shoved out of government power. Want to have things discussed? Get a man. Want to get things done? Get a woman.
I look at Bernie as a well-meaning uncle. I like his stances on issues, probably more than I like Hillary’s, but he’s just talking. He’s a man. Get a woman to get things done.
Bernie said it well today when commenting about a no vote compared to Hillary’s yes vote on invading Iraq. It’s my judgement that comes from experience.
Hillary is late for the show and on her best day couldn’t bring cross party and female voters like Warren will if given opportunity.
I spend a lot of time on campus registering voters and circulating petitions and I can assure you Bernie is very popular at USD.
People change their mind. Maybe Elizabeth Warren will change hers. I wonder who Hillary will choose for VP ? I like some of the things Donald Pay stated. I would like to see more competent women be given an opportunity to promote change. President Obama promoted women in his circles; and he was good at diversity. There are so many ‘white males’ in Congress that have been there a lifetime. I hope for legislative change and progress.
Chris Christie for President 2016! Telling it like it is!
Chris Christie’s town hall meeting in Iowa now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaZ4LrGl2i8&feature=youtu.be
Chris Christie’s addictive personality and negative body image disqualifies him as America’s chief executive.
Curious, Bearcreekbat: whom would a Republican Congress fight more, Clinton or Sanders? Or from the other direction, which Democrat would provoke less recalcitrance from a McConnell Senate and a Ryan House? Is there any difference?
Town hall meetings are a strength for Christie. He answers the questions based on executive experience from being Governor and Attorney General. No script or canned answers.
Christie will be out of the race after New Hampshire.
Imagine how many bridges he’d close down across the US if those states threatened him, Lynn. Larry’s right. Kind of like Michelle telling our children how to eat.
What’s this provoking recalcitrance, Cory? Our pubs are the only ones voting Obama as in trans pacific. We the voter need to fire them all.
Les,
New Jersey has had a long history with corruption and mismanagement and has been historically and is a very blue state. New Jersey’s senate and house are all controlled by Democrats. Christie was cleared regarding the bridge scandal and it was politically motivated by those against Christie.
Christie’s days as a political figure are numbered.
http://www.nj.com/opinion/index.ssf/2016/01/new_book_on_christie_pulls_back_curtain_on_bridgeg.html
Larry Who Resides in New Mexico,
All politically motivated. Time will tell with how Gov. Christie does in Iowa and New Hampshire. Christie is a moderate, no nonsense kind of guy that can work on both sides of the aisle to get things done.
Christie is a liar who will say anything to divert attention from his failure as New Jersey’s chief executive.
Yes, Lynn. As our state cleared the eb5 epoch with their internal look see.
Btw, it does appear you can get teachers out to vote with number 3, Cory. Now run an income tax and eliminate sales tax and bring property taxes back to a reasonable level.
Les,
The political dynamics of New Jersey & South Dakota are very different. I’d say he has done very well getting elected in a blue state and the mess he inherited and had to clean up.
Clinton wins and we get 24/7 Zippergate and BenghaziGate and even less done in congress- unless adults regain control.
The Outlaw Jersey Whales did some interesting work as a U S Attorney.
Cory, I think Republicans would fight Sanders more than Clinton because the intelligent and caring humanistic policies advocated by Sanders go against everything our current Republican leaders seem to stand for.
On foreign affairs and some economic issues, however, Republicans seem to be closer in thinking to Clinton. Don’t get me wrong, they still will probably try to treat her as a pariah publicly, just as they did her husband. Nevertheless her husband was able to work on some issues with the Republicans who publicly claimed to hate him, and I would guess she would have a greater chance than Sanders of getting a few positive things accomplished.
Sanders means well but is just too pie in the sky for most people. Nothing is for free. Trust is a big issue with Hillary.
Sanders is done after South Carolina.
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/sanders-thrives-democratic-debate-despite-sharp-attacks-clinton-n498731
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-campaign-contributions_5678356ce4b06fa6887e03c5
Not so quick, Lar.
Sorry, Les. i remain unpersuaded about Sanders’ chances. Besides, Democrats need him in the Senate just like Lynn’s earth haters need Cruz, Rubio and Rand Paul there.
I don’t want Democrats to just win i want to crush the GOP nationwide and a Clinton/Castro ticket can do that.
The DNC under Chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz have a coronation schedule to keep for Hillary Clinton.
There is no doubt the big money and political machinery is behind Clinton. This will be good to the last bite.
Clinton would not have gotten into the race at all unless she had a lock on the election: it’s just that simple. The only person who can hurt her chances is Mike Bloomberg running as an unaffiliated candidate but Hizzoner will also take votes from Jeb, the eventual earth hater nominee.
After reading some of the posts here, it looks like the only way to get a single payer healthcare system is either to nominated Bernie or to elect Trump. Both can see the value of the single payer and both know that the current ACA is not up to the task of fulfilling the need. The ACA’s fatal flaw was the public option, without that, it is simply one hand clapping. If one cannot see that, it is because you may not have had a close look at it. Regarding “tax” on plans. I will give ou this. I know of a family of 4, that has a very good living so they do not qualify for subsidies. They presently have a $4,000.00 deductible, $6,250.00 individual out of pocket and a $12,500.00 family out of pocket. They pay $31,000.00 in premiums per year for that, with some of that going to a tax the insurance companies set up to offset adverse claims.
My friend would love to pay a real tax that would give him the peace of mind that he would not have to look at almost $50,000.00 exposure a year in an unsure world of costs that could get him if he were disabled or would loose his income. Ask even the folks that qualify for the ACA and see some their $6,000.00 dollar deductibles. The truth is, most people who do not read this blog, cannot afford a $1,000.00 medical bill little lone a $6,000.00 medical bill before anything is even started to help you. The ACA is great for catastrophic coverage and for the wellness benefit, but for the day in and day out needs for the American consumer, it falls short.
Democrats by and large, cannot seem to understand the idea of how the health insurance rip off really works and that is why we have this uncertainty about the single payer. They fall for the “tax” crap, because they are indoctrinated into republican think. The old guys get it because they have single payer Medicare, but the young smart guys, clueless. To bad, as Hillary Clinton is not into you, she is not and never has been.
Clinton doesn’t need millennials (who don’t vote anyway) but she does need the Spanish-speaking vote.
Hell must have just frozen over or there are two Jerrrys on this ship.
Perhaps I slip into hope rather than analysis, but the fact that a candidate seriously talking about single-payer stands on the edge of winning the Iowa caucus and the New Hampshire primary suggests we could be ready to upend conventional wisdom. Give Sanders two wins in a row, and Clinton’s nationwide lead evaporates as a whole bunch of “I like Bernie but he can’t win the nomination” voters realize they might not be throwing their votes away if they vote Sanders.
Paul Waldman notes that the exchange between Sanders and Clinton on health care in last night’s debate perfectly summarizes the real difference between them: Sanders is the idealist calling for revolutionary change; Clinton is the pragmatist, contending we can’t get the votes in Congress for more than incremental change. Waldman, a supporter of single-payer, agrees that Sanders’s single-payer proposal would draw far more resistance, not just from the GOP but from corporate lobbyists and super PACS, than anything enhancements Clinton would add to the ACA.
That’s a helpful definition of radical. (Think radishes!) We radicals aren’t just bombthrowing crazy people. We want to get to the root of problems.
NBC picks out an even more concise summary of the difference between Sanders and Clinton: “While Sanders urged his audience to ‘think big,’ Clinton reminded them that ‘details matter.’” Even though that’s exactly why I’m a Sanders man, I can look at those two statements and say both are right. We need to think big, and details do matter.
Cory, Conor Lynch agrees with my contention:
“An important lesson that progressives should take from the Obama years is that you cannot rely on a single person or administration to change an entire system. Even if Sanders were to be elected (which is still, admittedly, a long shot), it would be extremely naive — especially after witnessing the Obama years — to think that he could “fix our politics,” . . . .”
http://www.salon.com/2016/01/18/americas_hangover_from_hope_a_look_back_at_the_historical_state_of_the_obama_presidency/?source=newsletter
I agree with and support most of Sanders’ policy positions, yet there is a lesson from the Obama years that without changing Congress, these great ideas will whither on the vine.
Les, it is cold so there is more room for another jerry or more or les more les.
Kids: the US just isn’t ready for a Jewish POTUS but we are more than ready for a woman to be the leader of the free world. We need Senator Sanders to keep fighting right where he is.
Bernie Sanders is the Ron Paul of 2016.
BCB, would it thus be in the interest of those who want to change Congress to back Sanders? Would a Sanders nomination give more boost to candidates fighting to change Congress?
Cory, if that could happen then supporting Sanders would be the best choice for our Country. Retaking Congress with a Democratic President like Sanders (or Clinton for that matter) would be a genuine Godsend for the American people.
But what do you think the chances are for Democrats to win back either the House or the Senate and how do those chances change depending on whether Sanders or Clinton is the candidate?
I like Bernie a lot and I like many of his ideas even more.
We need to remember that should Bernie win the Democratic nomination for president the GOP will viciously attack him as an unapologetic socialist.
To the narrow minded uneducated GOP base socialism translates to communism. From day one republicans will use this Willy Horton moment relentlessly to put fear in republican voters.
It already has come up in several republican debates, especially from Trump who behaves more like a dictator everyday.
Bear,
Do you really think that a republican congress would show any more respect for a woman than they did for the Black man in White House?
Larry, you could have made the argument that the US wasn’t ready for a black president heading into the Iowa caucuses in 2008, but here we are. And Ron Paul? Show me some polling numbers. Bernie Sanders is doing better against a tougher opponent than Ron Paul did amidst the division of the 2012 GOP field.
BCB, that’s a good question. Would retaking Congress depend on which Democratic candidate could motivate more GOP voters to show up and elect GOP Congresspeople as their firewall against ongoing Democratic control of the White House? Does it depend on which Democratic candidate could excite more Independent voters and more of the Dem base to show up for Democrats down-ticket?
Roger, since Hillary is a white woman she probably would not be treated quite as bad as our current President.
bcb-Not sure I agree, Wingnuts don’t seem to appreciate all that a woman can be.They weren’t exactly cordial to her when Bill was in the White House. I’m pretty sure their affections haven’t improved since then.
HRC seems to take delight in making investigating nutjobs look like fools.
Maybe America gets lucky this year and voters look behind GOP fear mongering at the actual state of the Union. We are light years ahead of dumbass dubya’s America in vitually every measurable. All wingnut candidates want to take us back as least that far and some even farther backwards.
Lots of right wing voters have expressed disgust with wingnut fiscal policies in various states. Maybe some of them will vote for their own best interests this year.
I supported John Edwards in 2008 in the primary but voted for Clinton in the general believing the US wasn’t ready for an untested Barack Obama regardless of his ancestry.
I misspoke. I supported Edwards early, voted for Clinton in the Montana primary and for Obama in the general.
Most pissed off Americans will vote Trump in a Trump/Clinton test. Hillary will not get party crossover votes against anyone. There are many Dems paying through the nose as Jerry states. They will vote for a single payer system Trump has promised if Hillary is in the fight.
I see more pubs crossing the line to vote Sanders with Benie & Donald than I can begin to imagine Reagan Dems crossing for Trump, unless Hillary is in play.
Of course this could all change at midnight of any given night.
Roger, the GOP will viciously attack whomever we nominate. They will scream Socialism! about Sanders. They will throw equally unprincipled Willie Horton-style attacks at Clinton. Picking a nominee based on what Republicans will do doesn’t lead us to a better decision.
Les, interesting observation about potential crossovers. Curious: both Trump and Clinton inspire strong personal distaste among certain voters. Does anyone hate Bernie personally?
It should be a Clinton Sanders ticket. They would cover both ends of the demacratic platform, but still have the respect of the whole party.
While the GOP seems to be splintering in at least three separate herds. Wouldnt party unity mean something going into the big E?
Just like President Obama used Dr. Bidens knowledge and insite, so to would be Sanders.
Just thinkin out loud.
The Blindman
Glenn Frey R.I.P. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3zMaDtSATE
Dudes vote Jill Stein fer Prez 2016 http://www.jill2016.com/plan Green Party all the way! Say no to da big money corporate partys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dudes and dudettes of the Green Party: are you petitioning for party recognition in South Dakota? If not, are you circulating petitions to gain Stein an Independent slot on the South Dakota ballot?
Forbes is agreeing with Sanders that the to big to fail banks are in fact, to big. They are breaking up because their business model is doomed. http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevedenning/2016/01/17/the-stock-market-and-bernie-sanders-agree-break-up-the-banks/#5bc9dd2e3d2f652951693d2f
I did not see Hillary speaking too loudly on this, only Sanders. Sanders is right on some many things that the voting public agrees on including single payer Medicare for all. The young women who are speaking out in support for Sanders are the growing voice of those that are sick to death of the same tired political games that are wrecking the country. I will give Hillary credit for one thing though, she has embraced Obama and is holding on to him like a life line which is really all she has. She has many plans, but so do I. She has not laid out the plans on how she intends to make them reality.
on a side note: Top U.S. Psychiatrists Confirm Trump’s Narcissistic …www.addictinginfo.org
Sanders with some friends today. https://berniesanders.com/press-release/sanders-marks-king-holiday-on-civil-rights-tour-in-south-addresses-7000-at-birmingham-rally/
According to 538, Sanders is the only candidate with positive favorability ratings. No one else is even close nationally. http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/donald-trump-is-really-unpopular-with-general-election-voters/ Vermont is a very progressive state, they will rise to send someone to replace Bernie when he reaches the white house.
Historically, when you compare Bernie to anyone that is running for president on both sides, he is the one who can get things done. Always has been that way. http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/inside-the-horror-show-that-is-congress-20050825#ixzz3xf8DvFom
The guy clearly understands how our political system works and has formulated a willingness to find ways to get the job done. No easy task in a town full of adversaries or are they? Clinton voted for war in Iraq and wants to continue the boots on the ground and has said so recently. Bernie, nope. Clinton loves her some owners, Bernie wants them neutered. Bernie wants to finally get us into the current century with Medicare for all, Clinton says that is to much work and besides, you cannot make the moolah you can with the lobbyists by Medicare for all.
This is what the pubs are doing for Bernie. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8k1-PdKfKX0&feature=youtu.be
Bernie gets my money against Hillary. Trump gets my vote against Hildabeast. Sanders/Warren get my vote if they wil stop funding wars and put those dollars into health care and education. Regardless, it’s time to clean house in DC and at home from city council to state government.
Hey, Les! That video comes from the America Rising PAC! They hire flag thieves, so obviously nothing they say can be trusted. :-D
Ah, notice that the Republicans are spending money to help Sanders win in Iowa and force Clinton to spend more money:
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-01-19/republican-operatives-are-trying-to-help-bernie-sanders
Should that deter anyone from supporting Sanders?
I think the republican helping anyone is a false flag. With so few days left in Iowa, all the air time has been utilized and most people have made up their minds. Hillary is loathed by the republicans and Bernie is respected by them. When you can find common ground with Tom DeLay and Coburn from Oklahoma, you can get things done in Washington. All of this buzz about Medicare for all is supported by many republicans including their front runner, Trump. Sanders has the will and the way to make it happen, he is fearless.
This really has been the reason republicans support Sanders. He has a much broader reach than all the candidates from both parties in this race. http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/why-bernie-sanders-starting-attract-conservative-voters
Yes, I noticed that and thought twice about using it, Cory. It’s a little twisted but so is Clinton.
You might honestly say pubs support Sanders to get an easier road to the White House with the sub par candidates we have who couldn’t beat Hillary.
A few yeas ago I could have supported Rubio, possibly even
Cruz. Mitt and Paul Ryan look like the dream team now.
Sanders with a Warren are the best thing going unless the pubs pull a rockstar out of the bottle, genie.