One map that South Dakota isn’t on is the Violence Project’s map of mass shootings. They count 171 instances over 50 years of killings of four or more people in public places by firearm and find no such events in South Dakota:
South Dakota, North Dakota, Wyoming, Montana, Maine, Vermont, and Delaware have yet to join this already too-large club.
All but three of the shooters in the Violence Project’s database were male. They “typically have an experience with childhood trauma, a personal crisis or specific grievance, and a “script” or examples that validate their feelings or provide a roadmap. And then there’s the fourth thing: access to a firearm.” When they break the data down by location, they find mass shooters at K-12 schools, places of worship, and commercial locations are usually white males; college/university shooters tend to be non-white, while workplace shooters show no predominant racial category.
And alas, the Violence Project finds shootings motivated by hatred of certain races, religion, and women on the rise:
Between 1966 and 2000, there were 75 mass shootings. Of those, 9% were motivated by racism, 1% by religious hatred, and 7% by misogyny. Of the 32 mass shootings that have occurred in the U.S. just since 2015, 18% were motivated by racism, 15% by religious hatred, and 21% by misogyny.
The increase in ideologically motivated mass shootings has coincided with the emergence of a newly emboldened far right, who’ve forged national and even international alliances of hate online. The sharp rise in misogyny-inspired shootings also squares with the rise of the “Incels,” short for “involuntarily celibate,” an online subculture comprised of angry young men who deeply resent and blame women for their isolation [David Noriega and Tess Owen, “Nearly All Mass Shootings Since 1966 Have Had 4 Things in Common,” Vice, 2019.11.19].
In the old days, jerks who couldn’t get dates just stayed in their trailers and wallowed mostly harmlessly in their inadequacy. Now they get on the Internet and find like-minded jerks who can pervert their jerkiness into a virtue and inflate their resentment into rage to punish the women who properly assess their character. If we need gun control, maybe we also need Internet control.
Letting Nazis speak for the White House doesn’t help, either.
The Violence Project notes that in 2017, the 106 deaths caused by mass shooters accounted for less than 1% of the 14,542 murders by firearms in the United States. Over the last five years, 69% of those murders were perpetrated with firearms. In 2018, in cases where we know who committed the murder, 88% of homicides were committed by males. A whole lot of American men apparently could use some instruction at an early age that guns are not a manly solution to their problems.
It’s only a matter of time until SD is on that map.
It’s not because South Dakotan’s are so nice, which they aren’t any nicer than are other states’ residents.
The sad part of these shootings is that these disturbed individuals have to always target innocents.
There ARE some folks in this country that could use shooting!
This is extremely bigoted and dangerous to contextualize shootings this way.
“The only thing worse than prophesy is self fulfilling prophesy.” — CH
The gun grabbing lobby has a vested interest in seeing this happen.
Let’s hope it never does, and show more respect for people who come up hard.
A legitimate factor in mass shootings is SSRI’s and other psychoactive drugs.
https://www.naturalnews.com/039752_mass_shootings_psychiatric_drugs_antidepressants.html
The intellectually dishonest among the readership will try to discount Mike Adams as a non-credible source, but a survey of the evidence clearly points to big pharma as a major factor in mass shootings; dissociative disorders, marginalization, invalidation.
Everybody has problems .. it’s not life’s challenges that cause mass shootings, it’s mass murder suicide pills being pushed by overzealous psychologists seeking career choice validation.
The 59th victim of Vegas mass slaughter, a woman from California, passed away yesterday. That scumacyst murderer was a follower of drumpf. And Moscow Mitch still has house passed gun bill bottled up and won’t allow a vote. Pretty obvious which political side of the equation is in bed with mass murderers.
But there will always be white bread, alleged kristians living in a near total state of denial of the facts.
mike from iowa – I think to pin violence like this on people who have difficult childhoods has the potential to be a dangerous self fulfilling prophesy. In fact, kids who come up hard, in my view, have the greatest potential for good in our society when empowered (and not marginalized like you’re doing here).
Danger Will Robinson .. mike from iowa is over the event horizon.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/kavinsenapathy/2016/12/23/naturalnonsense-friends-dont-let-friends-read-natural-news/#77d768ce6753
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/natural-news/
https://www.statnews.com/2019/07/26/health-websites-are-notoriously-misleading-so-we-rated-their-reliability/
For once I agree with Johnny fraud….The intellectually dishonest among the readership will try to discount Mike Adams as a non-credible source,
Adams is a clear cut fraud. I mean the guy started out his song and dance saying the one thing all mass shootings had in common wasn’t guns. He is certifiably Johnny Fraud nutz!
Don’t thank me, Johnny. I do this for your own good.
You are nutz. I never mentioned children or childhoods at all. Another Johnny Fraud induced rabbit hole.
Then, you disagree with the premise of the OP?
So by the Violence Project’s standards, the recent Santa Clarita shooting doesn’t count. Only two murders with one suicide. The wounded are just close, but no cigar. Monday’s Oklahoma Walmart shooting wasn’t mass enough either, just two murders with one suicide. Maybe the NRA could start a public awareness plan to get mass shooters to start with the suicide, like: “Good guys with guns start mass shooting with a suicide. We’re on it.”
El Rayo X – “public awareness plan to get mass shooters to start with the suicide”
I find your thoughts to be cogent, entertaining, and sensical.
+1
That said, it’s not the guns. It’s the meth. And we’re on it.
Lt. Col. Vindman, a decorated war veteran, is now being protected by the Army for fear of assassination by these hateful white supremasts or Chubby lovers. There is a fear that Chubby will “Epstein” him.
“The Army is providing NSC official Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman and his family security assistance to help with the “public attention” after his testimony in the impeachment inquiry Tuesday.
An Army spokeswoman told ABC News that the soldiers are working in conjunction with local law enforcement to ensure that he and his family are “properly protected.” Those measures involve surveillance of his home.
There is some speculation that the Vindman family could be moved to a nearby Army base if security concerns persist.”
The irony is that as a combat soldier, you are more likely to be shot and killed in the streets of America than you are in Kabul. Proud moments for the US.
jerry – “fear of assassination by these hateful white supremasts or Chubby lovers”
He’s more likely to be killed by his own side to create an effective false flag.
Our side is mostly concerned that, if he does move on-base, there are plenty of bear claws for him.
Reason being – he’s just not that dangerous to President Trump. Like me, though, I bet boxes of Crispy Cremes shudder when he walks into the room .. very formidable in that regard.
That said, it’s not the guns. It’s the meth. And we’re on it.
Where is yer indisputable truth it is the meth? Try much harder.
I interact with hundreds of individuals in SD – a valid statistical sample.
This state has a HUGE meth problem, and it’s eating the young people alive.
I’m not interested in providing identities of people with this problem.
But, you could read this:
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/meth-psa-ad-south-dakota-224537287.html
Vindman is not a traitor, like you sir. So keep blathering while real heroes defend this country from the likes of you and your brethren.
jerry – “Vindman is not a traitor, like you sir. So keep blathering while real heroes defend this country from the likes of you and your brethren.”
Really, jerry?
You’re over the top, Lincoln Hawk. Keyboard privileges revoked.
You have to downgrade your coffee to Folgers this morning? Starbucks verboten? Hrrmm hrrrm? A little cranky? Weather change making your back and knees hurt or something? Pretty cranky.
I was never more proud of a man than Lt. Col. Vindman and his bravery to come forward and his courage. The administration in the White House is intimidating to all who have come forward to provide facts as to what they know. Nobody WANTS to testify in this type of a hearing. All persons were subpoenaed to testify. And by so doing, they are at risk for hate and dissension and becoming a target for demotion, discredit and removal from their posts. These are proud Americans who put country before politics and personal gain. The horrific acts of mass shootings come from cowards who kill innocent people. One thing we all know for sure. There is big money in weaponry both in manufacture and political donations to campaigns. The NRA is very powerful. The Second Amendment allows persons to own guns. I’m not sure you can name any single one group or persons that own guns and inflict horror on others. It is troubling and scary.
The whole thing is a Schiff show. Congress should be doing America’s business, not playing “get that guy”.
Trump is rooting out corruption, just like we elected him to do.
The Violence Project finds no sign that leftists or Antifa bogeyman figure prominently among mass shooters. The report identifies characteristics of shooters that are appearing more frequently in violent incidents and which epitomize the attitudes and behavior advocated and embodied by Donald Trump.
mike from iowa – maybe if we had your real name, we could compare your credentials to Mikes…
“epitomize the attitudes and behavior advocated and embodied by Donald Trump” — This is another attempt to smear Trump and people who want a democracy/democratic republic, not a totalitarian bureaucracy.
Who decides what is the truth is the subject of a book my family and I just read called “Philosophy of History” by Hegel. It’s very difficult given human disposition for greed and power.
Dale:
1. A 50 year practicing psychiatrist who has monitored and prescribed SSRIs since their inception specifically told me your claim has NO value or merit.
2. Your view of Rep Cmmttee Chair Schiff Impeachment Inquiry hearings precisely authorized by the facts and law concerning Trump is misleading, faulty propaganda not connected to reality, as any intelligent educated adult can grasp for themselves. McConnell will eventually shift as Thune now appears to have.
leslie – was his/her work published in a peer reviewed journal that specifically cites the types of SSRI’s present in the systems of mass shooters in the last 5 years?
Does your friend’s work consider that our military researches mind control pharma for the purposes of “activating” mass shooter agents against contra-interests?
Would your friend like to come on my radio program to discuss?
Johnny fraud, my name is real and I am from iowa. I posted my last name several times with a note to people that I was posting it to stop the damn griping. nobody bothered to look so I guess it isn’t important.
As for you, I ask for indisputable truth mass shooters us meth and you post a link that says South Dakota has a meth problem but no ties to mass shooters.
I will repeat, you just argue for arguments sake. If it was day you’d claim Alex jones says there is no day. Stay out of the rabbit holes because if the ferret doesn’t get you, the small greyhounds will.
America’s business is to impeach a bribing criminal from the white house. That’s what Congress needs to do, America’s business…According to the Constitution, bribery reaches the level of impeachment.
jerry – “According to the Constitution, bribery reaches the level of impeachment”
There was no bribery. You know why they are pursuing bribery, now? Because it tested well in the focus studies.
https://pjmedia.com/trending/democrats-used-focus-groups-to-tweak-impeachment-messaging/
It’s a big silly joke .. on anyone believing that there was something wrong with the Ukraine interactions.
For the deep state, Ukraine was a very nicely set-up a honey pot.
Very sticky.
We’ll have to see what sticks.
Sondland refutes Chubby and his accomplices.
“Sondland on Trump’s request for investigations:
“I never heard…anyone say that the investigations had to start or be completed. The only thing I heard…was they had to be announced in some form.”
It was never about corruption. Trump wanted to damage his political opponents.”
Booyah! Impeach the bribing criminal the sooner the better. Cattle markets are in the crapper, grain sucks and nobody wants anything to do with us anymore…except for the despots..
Another white guy abandoning the Chubby ship of crime.
“Donald Trump’s secretary of state has reportedly told three prominent Republicans that he is planning to resign from the White House to run for a Senate seat.
Mike Pompeo had planned to stay at the State Department until early spring 2020 but he is now concerned that his connection to Mr Trump, particularly through the impeachment inquiry, is hurting his reputation, according to a Time report.” https://news.yahoo.com/mike-pompeo-planning-resign-because-093230187.html
Good riddance, for a ridiculously crooked, disgusting human being.
mike from iowa – sign every post, then.
Here’s what I do as a precursor to understanding my (admittedly effective) form of civic engagement:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arguments
So, I do argue for argument’s sake. And the sky is blue. And trout are slippery.
We all need to be cognitive of the white terrorists that all seem to be on edge now that the bus is running over all of Chubby’s close associates. Sondland just crossed the “T” after dotting the “I”. Any bets on if Chubby pulls a Nixon and resigns? Looks more and more like senate Republicans will have to face that music sooner than later.
“The testimony of Ambassador Gordon Sondland during Wednesday’s impeachment hearing is already being described as a “bombshell.” Sondland not only further incriminated Donald Trump, he also implicated senior members of Trump’s team including Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, Trump’s personal attorney Rudy Giuliani, Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney, and even Vice-President Mike Pence. Be careful Trumpsters. The bus is running over everyone.” Booyah! More gas for the bus please…
jerry – go look at President Trump’s twitter. :)
This is a sham and nobody cares except that they want it to stop wasting everybody’s time.
Schiff is done .. whether now or in another year or two. He’ll be handled extrajudicially if not judicially. He’s THAT BAD.
“Donald Trump’s secretary of state has reportedly told three prominent Republicans that he is planning to resign from the White House to run for a Senate seat.” — Please let this be true.
“Sondland just crossed the “T” after dotting the “I””
Did you watch the entire hearing?
You seem to be Muhammad Saeed al-Sahhaf reincarnate.
Watch his twitter?? Even Melania won’t do that, you nasty boy.
Ist es verboten, mein Kommandant?
Ken Starr watched it. Remember him Dale?
Kenny says it’s game over and he should know how that game is played.
“In the run-up to the release of Gordon Sondland’s opening statement for this Wednesday’s impeachment hearings, Fox News contributor Ken Starr suggested that Sondland’s testimony could cause GOP senators to push for President Trump’s resignation.
“The real issue is the senators are watching,” Starr said. “Are senators going to now say in light of what we hear today, it’s going to be a long day even with the ambassador alone, in light of what we have heard, ‘We need to make a trip down to the White House’?”” Booyah! Wonder if EB5 Rounds and Stretch are having a difficult time with their newly found hemorrhoids.
Chubby just had chopper talk and you can see how he will resign, medical reasons. They put that cake in the oven when he unexpectedly went to Walter Reed Hospital.
I’m trying to figure out what you watched. Here’s what I watched.
“I want no quid pro quo.” — https://twitter.com/SteveScalise/status/1197212102420844544
I think you’re information channels are just trying to keep you on the ledge.
Ken Starr goes on. ““That historic example set during the Nixon presidency,” Starr continued. “From what I’ve been able to glean I don’t think that’s going to happen. But obviously what happens today could—has the potential to be a game-changer.” Here ya go Pale Dale, for your listening pleasure https://www.rawstory.com/2019/11/ken-starr-suggests-sondlands-testimony-could-prompt-gop-to-make-a-trip-to-the-white-house-and-ask-trump-to-resign/
“has the potential to be a game-changer.”
It’s like you don’t even read what you post.
“has the potential”
But it won’t.
Here’s why:
https://twitter.com/SteveScalise/status/1197212102420844544
Now, it’s bribery. What will it be tomorrow?
If this impeachment succeeds, mark my words .. no presidency will ever reach a full term again.
Nothing burger.
https://twitter.com/RepStefanik/status/1197249054754967552
All I want for Thanksgiving is to have this turkey removed and for desert, the mashed potato called Mike Pence to be tossed out as well. Put the Democrats back in charge so we can charge ahead! Booyah!! Chubby trade deal is DOA boys and girls, we need new leadership desperately.
What you have here is a presumption by Sondland of quid pro quo. No evidence.
Furthermore, if Biden and/or Burisma are guilty of some kind of corruption (there was already an investigation into them that Biden quashed while VP), it changes the dynamic of the request. It would be incumbent upon President Trump to withhold the aid to facilitate the US policy goal of “rooting out corruption”.
“21% by misogyny.”
That’s a list I never wanted to be at the top of. It’s really frightening. Insane Imbecile’s bigoted bloviations have not only placed large targets on women, but on Sondland and other honest witnesses, LBTG, liberals/progressives, POC, immigrants, and anyone who doesn’t abide his nazi ideology. He’s approved of and heightened the hatred that Cory’s post referenced regarding domestic terrorists.
Lying Lunatic and the minions he placed in his deministration, plus the GOP Senators, especially Moscow Mitch, must go to save the USA.
Imagine. The US Army is protecting a decorated Army Ranger from…….. the president and his rabid followers. In the USA!
“need new leadership desperately” — that’s why we have to up-end the bureacracy. Their leadership has created a world wide isht show that has most countries on Earth hating us.
#trumptrain2020
Quid por quo is Latin for bribery dummy. Educate yourself as the school’s have failed you.
jerry – Quid por quo is not Latin for Bribery.
“Something that is given in return for something else or accepted as a reciprocal part of an exchange.”
It can apply to the purchase of toilette paper, which is what everybody needs after reading your last post.
Debbo – “the president and his rabid followers”
On one hand we have motivated or “rabid followers”, or people who voted for President Trump to do what he is doing.
On the other hand, we have a group of defaming, slanderous name-callers with no real strategy for the country other than “let’s hand it over to the Chinese”.
Gee .. tough choice.
It’s not hard to see why white males are so upset with themselves. They drank so much of the Chubby kool-aid that their belly’ burst. Bummer for them. Time for them to put on their big boy boots and go to work,
Very good Pale Dale, bribery is what it means.
I’m just going to soak this in for a moment.
Bribery: The offering, giving, receiving, or soliciting of something of value for the purpose of influencing the action of an official in the discharge of his or her public or legal duties.
Quid pro quo is an exchange.
Bribery is a crime.
Quid pro quo is not a crime, but Bribery encapsulates quid pro quo.
No quid pro quo, no bribery.
No bribery, #trumptrain2020
there was already an investigation into them that Biden quashed while VP),
another one of your blatant lies, johnny fraud. I’m losing count but you are approaching drumpf’s stratospheric heights of falsehoods.
Just ignore Pale Dale, everyone. He’s a Trump spy.
“Biden quashed while VP”
The very definition of extortion. Biden was caught in an interview at the CFR (of all places, go figure) saying that if Ukraine didn’t stop the investigation, he would withhold aid.
It’s amazing you bring this up…
Is there an impeachment post by Cory that we could start discussing under?
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/09/27/flashback_2018_joe_biden_brags_at_cfr_meeting_about_withholding_aid_to_ukraine_to_force_firing_of_prosecutor.html#!
Jenny – “He’s a Trump spy”
mwahahahaha.
Awesome! I had no idea! Where should I send my bank account and routing number?
Proof that if you mess with the bull ..
“HUNTER – YOU ARE THE FATHER! DNA TEST CONFIRMS BIDEN DAD OF ARKANSAS BABY
Biden denied he impregnated woman – test results prove that’s not true!”
Biden was in rehab for crack. He moved on to the harder stuff .. Burisma cash.
The head of Burisma Holdings, the energy company on which Hunter Biden served on the board, has been indicted by Ukraine’s Office of the Prosecutor General for money laundering and corruption, according to Ukrainian MP Alexander Dubinsky.
During a Wednesday press conference, Dubinsky claimed that an investigation into Nikolai Zlochevsky and Burisma found a “link that reveals how money is siphoned [from Ukraine],” notably through Hunter Biden, who received $16.5 million “through criminal means and money laundering.”
Strongest economy in the world. Apple opens plant in TX. Trump checks Cook. I miss Jobs.
https://twitter.com/WhiteHouse/status/1197288868300689408
President Trump: No quid pro quo
President Zelenksy: No quid pro quo
Ukraine Foreign Minister: No quid pro quo
Kurt Volker: No quid pro quo
Tim Morrison: No quid pro quo
Amb Sondland: No one on this planet told me there was a quid pro quo
Good article from Michael Smerconish, a middle-of-the-road conservative on hearings today.
𝐒𝐈𝐗 𝐏𝐎𝐈𝐍𝐓𝐒 𝐎𝐍 𝐒𝐎𝐍𝐃𝐋𝐀𝐍𝐃
1. While America was at work, I watched Gordon Sondland (@USAmbEU) all day. These are my conclusions:
2. Good a.m. for Ds: 1 He said there was quid pro quo 2 Said @realDonaldTrump told him to work w/ Rudy 3 He did 4 Rudy executed quid pro quo 5 “Everyone” knew it 6 U.S. withheld aid & access to Trump while telling Ukraine it needed investigation of Bidens & 2016
3. Initially @DevinNunes and Attn Castor did not know how to handle Sondland. Then @Jim_Jordan @RepMikeTurner and @RepStefanik took control.
4. Better afternoon for Rs: 1 Trump told Sondland no quid pro quo 2 Ukraine never did launch investigation 3 Trump and Zelensky did meet at US 4 And money flowed
5. Brief rebuttal: 1 Saying “no homicide” while committing murder does not exonerate the perp 2 Money and access were withheld while investigation demands were made 3 Why was aid and access withheld if not due to demands for investigation?
6. Conclusion: This morning was bad for @POTUS, but this afternoon was better. Nothing today will stop House Democrats from voting for impeachment – nor move 20 Republican Senators to vote for conviction.
“HUNTER – YOU ARE THE FATHER! DNA TEST CONFIRMS BIDEN DAD OF ARKANSAS BABY
Right straight off infowars headlines. Rubbish. and totally irrelevant to all the other made up stuff Johnny Fraud throws out.
Joe Biden did not threaten to withhold aid to stop an investigation into his son. The Buirisma investigation ended in 2012 before H Biden joined the firm.
Burisma cash. Proof?
“Saying ‘no homicide’ while committing murder does not exonerate the perp.” I love it. Have been waiting for someone more important than I to say that since “no collusion, no collusion, no collusion”.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukrainian-indictment-reveals-hunter-biden-group-made-165-million-mp
Secretary of State Mike Pompeo has told three prominent Republicans in recent weeks that he plans to resign from the Trump Administration to run for the U.S. Senate from Kansas in next year’s elections. The problem: how to get out in one piece. Time Magazine
https://time.com/5732232/mike-pompeo-kansas-senate-run-state-exit/
the start of right wing conspiracy clod zerohedge starts out with this…..Update 2: Dobinsky specifically says the leaked document is a “signed suspicion” at 1:19 in the video below.
Update: Reuters sheds additional light on the press conference, noting that the document from the Prosecutor General’s office was leaked and not officially released.
Leaked? certainly True? doubtful
“Mike Pompeo has told three prominent Republicans in recent weeks that he plans to resign from the Trump Administration”
Good.
We also need to get rid of that CIA director asap.
“the document from the Prosecutor General’s office was leaked and not officially released”
Nothing damning .. just more anti-Trump derangement.
Moar johnny fraud rabbit holes.
mike from iowa – I’m going to ask you respectfully to cease referring to me as “fraudulent” or present some evidence.
Your defamatory comments could affect my ability to work and support my family and only serves to degrade quality of the discourse.
Thanks.
Sigh—another post derailed to fruitless impeachment hash.
A lot of mass shootings happen because men get sad or mad and then draw on the false and destructive narrative our culture promulgates that guns can solve problems and bolster manhood. Trump plays to that destructive culture.
We need to counterprogram that culture. We need to teach children that guns symbolize weakness and failure, that guns are awful, barbaric weapons that we only turn to when we have failed by good and moral means to protect ourselves and our community.
More succinctly, guns are for sissies.
Another mechanism for counter programming the current gun culture is pointing out how most sportsmen (usually suburban) are very different from doomsday gun nuts (usually rural).
It’s important to note that the sportsman just wants to go hunting sometimes, have a good job and a nice house in a good neighborhood, two or three kids, a jetski, boat, four wheeler, and vacation time – while the isolationist doomsday bunker nuts are the type of gun owners who stockpile more guns, gold and baked beans than they could ever use and eagerly await the government and/or other people to one day come and try to take it all away – during a presumed apocalypse.
These are the two most different types of gun owners, and only one of them never fails to link gun ownership to personal toughness.
There are only two more categories of gun owners: those who keep a gun in the house, and those who carry a gun for personal protection. Those who carry a gun with them have a very small penis, but the ones who keep a gun safely in their house have varying penis sizes.
Good points, Adam. Real firearms sportsmen aren’t trying to live out fantasies. They’re just practicing a skill, enjoying and protecting the outdoors, and every now and then scoring an unusual and expensive meal. There’s nothing wrong with taking pride in one’s ability to use and maintain a tool well.
But we fill boys’ heads with too many images of that particular tool making men heroes. We foster too keen a sense of gun identity instead of teaching respect and restraint.
Not just boys and not just guns. https://www.theroot.com/georgia-teen-arrested-for-planning-knife-attack-on-blac-1839958937
She picked out the church based on racial demographics, bought several butcher knives and even scouted the church.
Cory – “guns are awful, barbaric weapons that we only turn to when we have failed by good and moral means to protect ourselves and our community”
Guns have a special place in the history of survival of people on the planet.
Not a single gun killed a person.
What we need to teach children is that, when in a position of authority, they must resist the Lucifer Effect.
Guns have nothing to do with it. If not guns, knives (as is the case with the rampant knife crime in the UK right now). If not knives, rocks, sticks, and fists.
I’m not a fan of arms races, which is a nuanced take on another topic. But then again, humans race. It’s what we do. We race in politics, in war, in thought, in building, in track and field.
I want peace. Banning the means of self defense against the meth heads is not the path to peace.
Ban the meth.
“Trump Hate” is a highly counterproductive way like “basket of deplorables” of pointing fingers and pushing people away from one another. It won’t just isolate the extremists but also alienate those along the continuum whose support you need, or at least don’t want to motivate. As has been the case for some time now liberal Democrats are their own worst enemy. Why not just put up a sign in your yard “Trump 2020” he plays you so easily you just can’t help yourselves.
Adam – “isolationist doomsday bunker nuts are the type of gun owners who stockpile more guns”
How would you classify the mind set of the founders, who very hesitantly took on England in a bloody clash after having soldiers quartered in their homes to enforce unfair taxation and oppression?
Do you think this could happen again?
Guns don’t kill people. Patriots kill people who try to usurp the days of their lives.
Most sportsmen, if given the option, would live that rural, patriotic life.
mike from iowa – “Not just boys and not just guns”
Thanks for that. Good point.
There may not be a silver bullet, but having a healthy vibrant economy where people can work less and spend more time with family would reduce the pressure on Americans who get desperate to see change for the better and live fulfilling, agent lives.
happy camper – “Trump Hate”
I prefer the term Trump Derangement Syndrome, or TDS.
I, for the life of me, a college educated cannabis advocate, cannot justify the level of vitriol for Trump. Maybe they’re all on meth.
Even Bill Mauer realized the rhetoric has gone too far and the name calling could become dangerous. There’s a reason Trump has loyal support learn from it but like children the short term pleasure of ridicule is more important. The country is not in a good place right now but it’s been proven criticizing Trump will not win the election the American people want to vote for someone better who is more in line with their value system. Stop being so reactive and give us good candidates. Righteous indignation doesn’t sell except to the base (in this case the DFP bubble).
Remember when motorcycles were associated with outlaw gangs? Remember when guns were associated with paranoid, anti-government, selfish libertarians?
Middle class workers now ride Harleys and kids don’t hunt anymore.
Things improve in safe, nurturing, liberal environments.
Johnny Freud…. https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/internet/sondland-testified-misleading-ukraine-story-spread-among-conservatives-social-media-n1087511
debunk debunk bada de bada de bada de bada debunk debunk.
“Things improve in safe, nurturing, liberal environments”
Wow.
You mean like classical liberal environments respecting agency, or the pho liberal environment absconded by the neos?
mike from iowa – “Johnny Freud”
That’s better. Thank you. I like it! Actually, I love it! :D
And I’m assuming you have no trouble with psyche mikey? If so, I have a long list we can work through until something suitable comes along.
No, John. Neither of those is what I mean.
Johnny, if your friends and acquaintances haven’t got wise to you, I doubt I can change their minds. As for the rest, don’t get yer hopes up. You cannot be trusted.
Ammosexuals are a real thing. Whatever I say or don’t say isn’t going to affect them. It won’t make them less dangerous, less likely to become a terrorist, less obsessed with the latest “AJ” fantasy.
What I need to do is support organizations like Protect Minnesota, directed by my grad school pal, Rev. Nancy Nord Bence, as they work to put reasonable gun sense into law.
Protect Minnesota has two bills they’re working on. First is a red flag law. It would require LE to remove guns from the possession of a person who’s been served with a protection order, people who’ve threatened suicide or threatened others. Second is universal background checks.
Those bills should not be controversial, unless the NRA/GOP/Russia owns the law maker or ammosexual constituents feel threatened. It doesn’t seem to take much to scare ammosexuals.
mike from iowa – “You cannot be trusted”
Paranoia is a symptom of meth use. Are you on it?
:D
What he may mean, Dale, is that you’re nuts. Or maybe Mike means “You cannot be trusted.” Either.
But you mean well. 😊
“You cannot be trusted” – Debbo, if I cannot be trusted, who can be trusted? Why?
With what?
I’ll take a stab: I can be trusted to delight live music fans, to design OO enterprise databases, to raise my own kids, to give you my honest opinion, and to get sideways in a car in the snow.
I can’t be trusted to draw an accurate portrait of you (I don’t draw well), to describe String Theory, or to cheat on my wife.
There, that’s a start.
Freud can’t be trusted to stay in the same area code as the theme of the day. Can’t be trusted to use reliable sources in his links. You want a trusted highjacker, he’d be the guy to get.
“you want a trusted highjacker, he’d be the guy to get”
“can’t be trusted to stay in the same area code as the theme of the day”
What does this even mean?
I’m going to go back to letting you talk to yourself.
In the meantime, everybody should know that I have two new segments up.
Good day.
Johnny seems to think this his own blog.
Adam assumes what Johnny thinks (an actual mistake).
I type my thoughts in the comments section.
PlainsTribune.com is my “blog”, if you want to think of it that way.
But be careful, my information ist verboten!
As if anyone would visit John Dale’s blog.
Certain Inflatable Recreational Devices – I know what you mean. I don’t even go there. It’s total isht.
#DFPLIFEDOG
Wow! John Dale appears to live in a fantasy world…….He believes the lies! God Bless!
Much of these types of posts seem like shallow attempts to falsely increase social credit scoring.
5G is a weapons system.
Epstein didn’t kill himself.
Well, we’re thoroughly off topic.
Guns are for sissies. Guns are a distraction from real bread-and-butter issues that affect every American’s daily life. Guns are mostly useless for solving real problems.
Hey, gun huggers. One question. When is Obama coming for my guns, like you predicted? I’ve been waiting.
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/a35mya/nearly-all-mass-shooters-since-1966-have-had-four-things-in-common
A new Department of Justice-funded study of all mass shootings — killings of four or more people in a public place — since 1966 found that the shooters typically have an experience with childhood trauma, a personal crisis or specific grievance, and a “script” or examples that validate their feelings or provide a roadmap. And then there’s the fourth thing: access to a firearm.
What, no meth heads? i feel like I’ve been lied to.
I’d just like to point out that if I’d said that studies show that white males are the biggest mass shooters in the USA, thin-skinned Ryan would be jumping up and down crying that I’m racist and sexist for saying that. But since it’s Cory, we haven’t heard a peep.
Notable, don’t you think?
“white males are the biggest mass shooters in the USA”
With enough time and money, information systems and big pharma could be used to make this true of any demographic.
It’s a moot point.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rw1dNtDEA00
“since 1966 found that the shooters typically have an experience with childhood trauma, a personal crisis or specific grievance, and a “script” or examples that validate their feelings or provide a roadmap. And then there’s the fourth thing: access to a firearm”
This would be easy to weaponize for anyone fitting the description with no true disposition to commit mass murder.
The potential for false positives in the analysis presented makes it .. really terrible analysis.
Example, someone hates 5G.
Because they had a childhood trauma, now they’re a mass murderer.
Do you see how big telecom would have a field day with this?
Hey Porter Lansing – “When is Obama coming for my guns, like you predicted? I’ve been waiting”
News Flash .. Hillary Lost, or she would be.
Did you hear about the latest red flag catastrophe?
Cory – “Guns are mostly useless for solving real problems”
Guns are a deterrent. As we’ve discussed before, and this is not nihilism since it’s in reference to a specific issue, it’s impossible to know how much more crime would have occurred without the means to lethal self defense.
“Who says the “Good Guy with a Gun” is just a myth? I bet the woman in this article would highly disagree with you.
Last Friday around 5:46 am, a women was being sexually assaulted while jogging down a popular running trail along the Colorado River near Rainey Street. Luckily there was a good guy with a gun and a flashlight was within shouting distance and heard her scream.
The accused attacker, 22 year old Richard Jordon McEachern was found the following Monday and charged with felony sexual assault.
The affidavit also noted that the woman didn’t realize the good guy had a gun because she had been blinded by his flashlight. So when I started reading through the comments, there were people saying that a gun wasn’t needed and the attacker stopped simply because another person showed up and shined a flashlight on them. I have two thoughts about this.”
Extremes don’t make the case. I have not used a gun for any necessary, practical purpose in my life. I shot a few birds that I are when I was twelve, but if I’d have missed, Mom would have just made more tater tots and soup.
I have a family, an income, plenty of toys to play with, and all sorts of other blessings of civilized life, and I haven’t had to spend a single penny on ammo, a gun safe, or live-fire training to secure and enjoy those things.
And even if I carried a gun with me every day, incurring the additional costs of maintenance, attention, and physical hazard, Donald Trump would still be in the White House, and South Dakota would still have lying Trumpist sycophants representing it in Congress. There’s arguably my biggest problem right now, and I won’t solve that problem with a gun.
Cory, I generally agree with you that guns don’t solve problems. And I agree that the righties have deep, deep mental issues that lead them toward mass murder. Guns are a big problem.
There are exceptions. We aren’t there yet, and I hope we never get to that point, but we have to consider why we have the 2nd Amendment. The people who framed the 2nd Amendment thought is was there to protect us from tyrants, when our institutions fail.
I’m a pacifist by philosophy, but my pacifism has limits. As long as we still have one institutions we can count on to face down the tyrant, peace should prevail. The Courts are still working, though for how long is a question we need to face. One house of Congress is working, passing good legislation and serving to check the dictator. We face elections in a year, but those are likely to be hacked and hijacked by the dictator’s foreign and domestic friends. We are in deep, deep trouble, and if we don’t right it, carnage is inevitable.
Let me be very clear. When the country no longer upholds the rule of law for the highest to the lowest, and the levers of our institutions are corrupted,we have passed into the vortex of the abyss. We might be called on to solve this problem with guns. The crooks don’t appear able to stop unless they have ground our Constitution into pulp, and have gotten rid of anyone who opposes them. Just as Hitler and the Nazi Party finally needed to be halted with guns and bombs used by patriotic Americans, Dear Leader and his sycophants may need to face the same fate. It is clear that we have one small “d” democratic party and one big “f” Fascist party. There are no more “good” Republicans, or at least any “good” Republicans with courage. If there were, they would have stopped the tyrant by now through the means the Constitution provides. But they don’t believe in the Constitution, or the rule of law, for themselves, at least.
What is to be done?
In The Grapes of Wrath, as the process server tells him to get off his land, Muley asks, “Then who do we shoot?“:
As Donald indicates, in any but the most extreme situation, the proper answer is, “Put down your gun, pick up your pen. Pick up your voice. Pick up your neighbors and take them to the polls.” It’s just too easy to con frightened people who are asking that question into committing unjustified violence and unwittingly support the real tyrants.
My pacifism has limits, too. I recognize that when all else has failed, one can, in certain grave situations, justify throwing a punch… or worse. But I also recognize that in my entire life, I have never almost never been in such a situation.
You know, a couple weeks ago, a local idiot hit my dog with his car and came withing a foot of taking me out. (Remarkably, the dog survived and walked home with me—he’s tougher than he looks.) The car drove on, paused a half-block down, then sped away.
Violence was done to my property. The violent actor ran away. What could I have done with a gun in that situation?
I could arm and train myself in preparation for a few unlikely extreme situations. I worry, though, that such preparation would make my life less enjoyable and more “solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short.” I’m not willing to spend my time in the social contract preparing for the collapse of the social contract. If the social contract does collapse, I think have just as much chance of restoring order to my life by running for Canada as I do of hitting the bulls-eye on a few crucial targets with my peashooter.
Yes, Cory, I wouldn’t be a good armed soldier, nor would I like or want that role. It seems more self-destructive than constructive to me. I much prefer pen, electrons and mouth to bearing arms, but so, I think, did the people who wrote the 2nd Amendment (maybe not electrons in those days, though electrons are involved in pen and paper, too). They also developed institutions ensuring checks and balances to frustrate a tyrant. And, if all that fails, impeachment and removal from office. With all those protections, you would think we shouldn’t be in this position.
I have to wonder what the Revolutionary Generation would think about Trump, and how much more of his criminality they would put up with. I think a person of his lack of character would have been done in by the electoral college, which was supposed to keep Trump-like person from ever reaching the Presidency. But when all else failed, the Revolutionary War generation weren’t too shy about dealing with real Kings and corrupt parliaments with petitions and speech, sure and, when that failed, with considerable protest and civil disobedience, as well as outright mutiny and violence. Eventually, this led to the Revolutionary War, which was more a civil war than anything else.
I really wonder if all the institutions the Constitution establishes to frustrate a tyrant like Trump are up to the task. In the past, we’ve had nearly tyrannical presidents. Nixon, certainly qualifies. But all others have had respect for those institutions and the norms that have develop around them. Not Trump. He hates institutions and norms. And in the past we had others in leadership in the President’s party who would stand up and speak truth to power. The cowards in the Republican Party are too busy genuflecting to the tyrant. Like Hitler, Trump only understands power, and I think use of power is what it may take to tame his tyrannical rule.
You start packing heat and sooner, rather than later, you will be looking for an excuse to use it.
Chubby fired the Secretary of the Navy because the Secretary of the Navy didn’t think it right to pardon a murderer. It probably will come down to the military taking over this country from the fascists…or like in some countries, wait until the dictator dies.
Don’t worry, no one will go to the streets with guns…no matter how bad it gets. We are armed to the teeth but lack the gumption to go against anything or anyone that is armed as well.
We’re all safer if Cadet Bone Spurs loses the military and it appears he’s working hard at doing so.
Debbo – “Cadet Bone Spurs”
Are you presupposing that everyone in the military should stay there until we have someone with fewer bone spurs to fire/demote/reassign them?
Also, stay classy, Debbo. Keep this up and President Trump is going to give you a nickname back.
jerry – “Secretary of the Navy didn’t think it right to pardon a murderer.”
Why not? What is the key point in the case that made up your mind?
You’re not allowed to cite the presence of any individual in any particular position in government as “justification”.
mike from iowa – “You start packing heat and sooner, rather than later, you will be looking for an excuse to use it.”
Does this also apply to the martial arts?
Cars?
Nun chucks?
Forks?
You start packing forks and eventually you’re going to find someone to poke. It’s just inevitable.
Or, when you say “packing” do you mean like actually packing. Like as in a suitcase. Like .. to move to Denver.
Another day, another pervasive assault on human intelligence by a troll. Prepare to be drumpf dumbed down by Johnny Feckless.
Wassa matter? Powers kick you off his cesspool blog?
mike from iowa – “another pervasive assault on human intelligence”
You are a projector.
I am rubber.
You’re glue.
To my knowledge, I haven’t been kicked off a blog.
I try my best to be a voice of reason, say what I mean, mean what I say, and own every post.
Sincerely,
John Dale
PlainsTribune.com
PS – Just finished the McAfee interview .. you should listen.
I try my best to be a voice of reason, say what I mean, mean what I say,
Try speaking the truth for a change, not some whacked out conspiracy theories. A mind filled with rubbish does you no good in reality.
mike from iowa – “Try speaking the truth for a change, not some whacked out conspiracy theories. A mind filled with rubbish does you no good in reality”
I set a goal to be intellectually honest about everything I write and say. What more can you ask than for me to be correct about so much from intel to 9/11 to Patriot Act to President Trump and beyond?
I worked hard to bring constitutional technology solutions to market, and you tell blatant unprovable lies about my work.
Then, you bismirch my character ..
Subsequent to this, you project your conspiracy theory diatribe onto me, when the Trump Conspiracy theory is all you talk about .. never signing your full real name to what you’re posting.
You’re a spook.
Johnny called me a bad word! Wah!
mike from iowa – “Johnny called me a bad word! Wah!”
For the record, I’m not trying to turn you. I know you’re on a mission and you can’t be turned-back.
But for those who read the misinformation you’re posting and want to make an informed choice, I want to give them a fighting chance to be on the right side of history.
In the meantime, I sign my name to my posts.
I wasn’t calling you a name .. I was classifying your status.
Although, I did misspell – what it should have read is “spooky”.
Prove me wrong, troll.
mike from iowa – “Prove me wrong, troll.”
Assert something cogent and I’ll get up my gumption.
“Drumpf, Trumplestiltskin, blah Russia blah blah” does not qualify as some negate-able assertion.
That which can be asserted without evidence ..
You lose!
But for those who read the misinformation you’re posting and want to make an informed choice
Maybe you can understand this- what misinformation am I allegedly posting? If I wanted to misinform or post blatant falsehoods and made up stuff, I’d use your sources.
“Nixon, certainly qualifies”
What I understand of the Nixon presidency is that he was goaded into the spy vs spy game with a less sophisticated and more detectable operation that was used against him.
He was getting gamed with leaks, tried to shore them up using questionable tactics, but that his surveillance operation in moral character was symmetrical to the opposition he was gleaning.
Donald Pay – “righties have deep, deep mental issues that lead them toward mass murder”
I think this is the most dangerous and unstable comment I’ve seen on DFP.
Are you serious?
What’s next? Slurs about native Americans and Asians?
“Extremes don’t make the case”
reductio ad absurdum – it is a valid argumentative strategy. :)
Hey, ya know what? I just got used to skipping past all of Johnny Fraud’s comments. They no longer clog up my view of intelligent and funny dialogue.
I was going to propose Cory ad a filter so that we readers and commenters could filter out certain other peoples’ comments, but I don’t need that now – now I just scroll past everything with his and Grudz’s name in it! This reading technique really seems to work for me!
I recommend it!
Cory, your comment using The Grapes of Wrath as an example is just flat out right on the money. I’m partial to that awesome old black and white movie; I just really love it, but your point is so perfectly put and it is a particularly powerful point!
That said, I am most-always down for a fight. I don’t use guns in the battles I choose, but make no mistake, if you’re effing with me, you are definitely effing with the wrong guy. I could wax on about it but you get the point.
It’s really important for all decent people to be willing and able to fight at most any time – and you never know when the time will come to you. Way too many good people tend to ‘want no trouble’ to the point they allow abusers to continually set new precedents for increasingly inhumane abusive behavior. There are many ways to ‘push’ or ‘fight’ back (all the best ways are without guns). It’s important for pacifists to have a backbone, and Cory, I think you’re a great example of a ‘backboned pacifist.’
However, if some facker ran over my dog and almost hit me, I like to think I’d have got that license plate number, or not but definitely called the cops on that jack ass mofo to give them a description of everything that just happened. I’d keep an eye out, in my small town, for that specific car on roads around there until I finally caught em (to report them to the cops even if it’s months later). The whole thing would’ve been a high octane P.I. venture with the passion of a John Wick movie. After all, the guy would have -almost- “killed my dog” – NO GUNS THOUGH
If a guy fantasizes about being in battles with guns, he will not get to battle much in life and his life will be short. All the most fun battles and/or competitions across the entire human spectrum do not include the use of guns. You can only loose your real actual life in the very least-fun games which you could ever play.
Being in love with guns is really very lame. Basing identity on one’s gun ownership is so primitive it’s like a club of people in love with the tool which we all call a “hammer.”
Adam, I did call the police. Another motorist saw the incident, followed the hit-and-run driver, got his license plate, and called it in. Aberdeen PD is pursuing the case.
See? Rule of law works much better than packing heat. I don’t need to carry a gun and exact vigilante retribution. I don’t feel emasculated to surrender responsibility for punishing the criminal to the proper authorities.
Guns are for sissies. Real men use government to solve problems.
“Being in love with guns is really very lame”
Love is such a nebulous term.
Just because you have a hammer, not everything is a nail. Some problems are best solved with other means (even means other than government).
I will say, though, that part of responsible gun ownership is visualization of scenarios in which the gun can/should be used. Law enforcement and private citizens both have very little time to decide when to use guns, and having thought things through is not as much fantasy, but visualization training.
Gun owners should visualize about when it is appropriate to use a firearm. Just like blowing away the Black Barts of the world, part of that visualization should be demonstrating the wisdom of knowing when to pull-up, and when to never even unholster old blue.
One might fantasize, given the death and carnage involved, that some people should not be allowed to drive cars. Cars – bad drivers, actually – kill a lot of people, and mostly not in self defense.
Adam – “This reading technique really seems to work for me!”
Ah, yes. The head-in-the-sand technique, aka the Ostrich!
I LOVE IT!
Why SHOULD you benefit from what I write?
Cory, I completely approve of how your issue got handled and I feel better knowing those details!
Indeed, real men use government to solve problems.
“Indeed, real men use government to solve problems.”
And by extension, the guns of police, and lasers shooting out of the eyes of robot dogs.
Our domestic terrorists’ favorite supporter isn’t doing so well, but that doesn’t stop the NRA from making really stupid decisions, in addition to their usual cruel and heartless ones.
“The National Rifle Association has had a bad couple of years, hemorrhaging membership, money, and public support. But that did not stop the group from giving its top officials huge pay raises last year, including a 57 percent increase to chief executive Wayne LaPierre.
“The numbers, disclosed in the gun lobby giant’s latest tax filings, were reported by the Washington Post on Tuesday night. Between 2017 and 2018, compensation for the NRA’s top officials increased by 41 percent as the group’s spending on its core programs dropped significantly.”
“LaPierre received overall compensation in 2018 of nearly $2.2 million, even as the NRA reported a $55 million decline in income, and its 2018 campaign spending was less than half of its totals for 2014 and 2016 congressional races.
“Meanwhile, its revenue from membership dues have been dropping for years, declining by $35 million in 2017 alone. Dozens of its corporate partners have fled in response to online pressure, and it was forced to shut down its failed NRATV streaming service earlier this year.”
is.gd/eP3Lk5
Couldn’t happen to a more blood thirsty organization and that makes me happy.
Debbo – “domestic terrorists’ favorite supporter”
Is this a productive way to refer to NRA members?
Believe it or not, I would like people to listen to and respect you. I don’t this this is the way that you will be respected and listened-to.
Is that all you’ve got in response to this further incrimination of the NRA?
You’re opinion of me, my writing, or anything else, is of no interest to me.
Debbo – if you want to make a different in the NRA ..
JOIN THE NRA.
What bunk. I want to change the KKK; joining it is not the best option.
The best way to change the NRA is to drive it out of business by counterprogramming its destructive propaganda and teaching our children that guns are for sissies.
“joining it is not the best option”
Fighting the NRA is also not the best option since guns are not the root of the problem.
When trying to fix violence, we have to focus on diet and economy IMHO.
More bunk. The problem is the NRA, which is gun manufacturers PR and lobbying organization and Pootie’s pals.
Buzz Feed has a super article about guns in Idaho and it’s written by a Montanan. In other words, she knows what she’s talking about.
The article describes the chief actors in the panhandle, especially on the “All guns all the time” side. That’s actually what they’re pushing. Their latest effort is to get rid of Idaho’s initiative law because they’re afraid of common sense gun laws like red flag, universal background checks, etc.
Author Ann Helen Peterson sums up the Idaho situation like this, “This is a story of an increasingly unpopular interpretation of the Constitution, and the increasingly desperate fight to protect it on all fronts.”
(Idahoans, like the rest of the nation, favor the common sense laws.)
is.gd/475bsI
https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/01/us/maine-man-booby-trap/index.html
Ammosexual cobbled together some device to fire a handgun at anyone that tried to enter his house. First victim was hizownself. He’s dead and he will never know if it worked. The gene pool thanks you, dead sir.
Off Topic.
Condolences to families of plane crash victims near Chamberlain. Two children among the victims.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/11/25/20974025/supreme-court-guns-second-amendment-new-york-state-rifle
This case in front of the SPOTUS has been decided in plaintiff’s favor by the NY state. Plaintiffs got exactly what they wanted so there is no reason for the court to hear this, unless they want judicial activism and expand gun rights on their own.
I am afraid this “activism” from this court will become commonplace.
Note in the discussion of the recent military base handgun shootings, the base itself regulates military personnel on base CAN NOT carry guns. But dale (momma lived North Belle Fouche” or someplace… -“me thinks dale doth protest too much!”) wants the rest of us to be free to choose when/when not to blow someone away. A real troll.
https://www.rawstory.com/2019/11/russian-operatives-are-back-for-the-2020-election-and-have-an-insidious-new-strategy/
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2019/aug/16/whats-behind-dubious-claim-psychiatric-drugs-fuel-/
Not a single mention of wild-eyed mass murderers on meth. Not hardly a mention of any other psychiatric drugs, either.