America Bigger Than Rural Trumpism

While the Aberdeen American News editorial board delivers agnostic pap about how “The sun rose” after the election of Donald Trump (the sun also rose over the smoldering ruins of the Reichstag), how we cannot “know what a Trump presidency will be like” (as if sixteen months of hateful, ignorant speeches tell us nothing about a man), and how “Trump deserves a chance” (sure, let’s give Hitler a chance, said Lutheran theologian Dietrich Bonhoeffer at the beginning of the Nazi regime… not), entrepreneur and columnist Travis Kiefer calls on his fellow citizens to “take an active role in welcoming Muslims and helping them feel safe in their own country”… which our new neighbors will tell us is our country:

America is a nation of immigrants… so we must make real, legitimate steps to help people attain the promise of America and realize the same dream as our ancestors did.

…For Aberdeen, refugees ought to be welcomed, supported, and integrated into our community. The number of minority individuals who I know who have expressed fear and concern that they need to “lay [sic] low” is disheartening. We can and must do better [Travis Kiefer, “America’s Best Days Are Forward,” Aberdeen American News, 2016.11.10].

Kiefer is a Groton grad who studied and worked in California for a few years before coming back to South Dakota. He does not wear the flyover-country blinders that keep us middle-land folks from experiencing the diversity of our changing nation:

We, as a culture, have to stop infantilizing and deifying rural and white working-class Americans. Their experience is not more of a real American experience than anyone else’s, but when we say that it is, we give people a pass from seeing and understanding more of their country. More Americans need to see more of the United States. They need to shake hands with a Muslim, or talk soccer with a middle aged lesbian, or attend a lecture by a female business executive.

We must start asking all Americans to be their better selves. We must all understand that America is a melting pot and that none of us has a more authentic American experience [Patrick Thornton, “I’m a Coastal Elite from the Midwest: The Real Bubble Is Rural America,” Roll Call, 2016.11.10].

Aberdeen and South Dakota depend on young builders like Kiefer who can travel abroad but feel comfortable coming back to stake their claim and apply their talents and experiences to making South Dakota greater. We also depend on the refugees and immigrants whom Kiefer and other smart patriots can welcome, because they understand that while America’s faces change, America’s ideals remain the same.

Aberdeen billboard, North Main Street, 2016.11.10.
Aberdeen billboard, North Main Street, 2016.11.10.

Ronald Reagan would agree. Let us welcome new Americans, for their sake and ours.


88 Responses to America Bigger Than Rural Trumpism

  1. Well, we’re starting to know what Trump will be like and he’s hiring big corporate lobbyists for his transition team. His big campaign theme was being an outsider and look at these names on his team.
    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-campaigned-against-lobbyists-now-they%e2%80%99re-on-his-transition-team/ar-AAk9Rg3

  2. Jenny, are you aware that the reason for Trump’s win was because of race? The base could care if they are being fleeced or not, the important thing is to keep those Black men and other folks of color away from the white women. Got to protect the race to keep it pure, geesh. Wait for a couple of weeks at Turkey Day when you get to sit next to uncle____________, he will tell the table exactly what I just wrote and not feel the slightest bit of embarrassment.

  3. I think there’s more to it than that, jerry. Now don’t go ballistic on me and tell me I’m racist.

  4. mike from iowa

    Comrade Drumpfski is making nice with the media-blaming them for hiring people to protest Drumpf.

    Kellyanne Comrade admitted Drumpfski makes up his own facts. Enough peroxide leaked out of her brain so she was lucid for once.

  5. mike from iowa

    Prediction-right wing nut jobs will pack every federal court with the most extreme idealogues ever to obtain and maintain complete control over all gubmint and all the people.

  6. Jenny, I actually heard that conversation within a group of older gents yesterday morning. It was sad that was actually the entire topic. I really did not have to strain my ears to hear it either. They were not in the least being candid, so that is a good thing. This way you know so there can be no surprises.

  7. Trump is bringing in his own recycled politicans. Christie, Giuliani (who is losing his mind) Gingrich, Santorum, Palin. Etc..etc..etc…Bunch of power n media hungry presidential wannabes he has given new life to after insulting and laughing at them. Looks to me like it could become wall street, n old guard republican administration.

    Steve Kerr, Golden State Warriors coach, called the election the Jerry Springer show. He saw the heartaches of his wife, daughter and players.

    I’m trying to understand why some people that voted for Trump don’t see the lack of respect Trump has for minorities, women, immigrants, as a frightening thing. Did his promise of jobs (that will magically appear) building a wall, less taxes for the rich?, outweigh the narcissistic and predatory characteristics and statements of this silver spooned new yorker? Apparently. I know some of the voting was racism, but some wasn’t, and in the end that group elected Trump. Why?

    It was just campaign retoric? Trump confidant Roger Stone said the president-elect will follow through on his pledge to replace Obamacare.
    “It’s not easy. But Donald says what he means and means what he says”
    So he says Mexicans are rapists, NOT election retoric to me. N what he said about women is not locker room talk, it’s sick.

    We all know the health care system has problems. But President Obama at least tried to help people. I don’t think trumps magic dust will fix it. It’s a big, complex problem. It’s all about MY premium n deductibles not going up. Good luck with that one.

    I guess those republican military strategists, conservative newspaper editorial boards , former republican presidents, various republican sitting officals and Cory H don’t know crap about what’s best for this country.

    We are nation divided. Forget number of ‘elected officials” red states blue states electoral college voting districts etc. It’s door to door, neighborhood, town to town. N it’s not going away.

  8. And Jenny, what Jerry is saying is a large factor here. Don’t kid yourself.

  9. Jenny—drain the swamp, so I can fill it with my own alligators!

    None of Trump’s transition team appears to show any sign of representing the interests of rural America or of the diverse America that Kiefer and Thornton respect.

  10. Spike mentions the wall. Even if it is just rhetoric, it represents the fantasy wall that the folks at the Branstner Klan meetings and other middle-Americans wish they could build between the familiar America of mostly white, straight, Christian neighbors and the growing and inevitable America of more diversity. That’s what Kiefer and Thornton are talking about: the need for all of us to see past the wall the ugly part of our guts may want for safety and sameness and to recognize and embrace the greatness of all of America, a greatness built, as Reagan said, on making new people from different lands part of the American project.

  11. mike from iowa

    We didn’t listen to Drumpf’s voters. If we had only listened once more to Obama is coming to take your guns or HRC is a crook… only then would us who voted against the mangled apricot s###gibbon realized the errors of our ways and voted for honest and ethical Comrade Drumpf.

  12. Don Coyote

    @cash: Let me provide a little context for the Reagan quote on the billboard. It’s from his Statement on Immigration and Refugee Policy. He also stated this:

    “At the same time, we must ensure adequate legal authority to establish control over immigration: to enable us, when sudden influxes of foreigners occur, to decide to whom we grant the status of refugee or asylee; to improve our border control; to expedite (consistent with fair procedures and our Constitution) return of those coming here illegally; to strengthen enforcement of our fair labor standards and laws; and to penalize those who would knowingly encourage violation of our laws. The steps we take to further these objectives, however, must also be consistent with our values of individual privacy and freedom.”

    Hardly the carte blanche policy that Liberals and Obama seemed to desire.

  13. mike from iowa

    And Obama deported more immigrants than any other Potus ever. Hardly the open borders boogeyman wingnuts accuse him of being.

  14. I try not to engage here much. But I read n appreciate this site and our commenting republican friends (mostly) give me insight. Trumps wife(latest) broke the immigration laws by working without the proper visa.

    Billions of dollars have been put in the bank accounts of many of the trump voters because of the hard working labor of illegal immigrants. Including the Trumpster. Around San Diego poor illegals live in tents in the orchards of mansions. Texas ranches, same thing. Roofers in Rapid city. Same deal. Bet those guys at the coffee shop would use some of that cheap cash labor any chance they can. Goes on all around DC, New York etc. Hiuskeeping, etc. It is permeated into our society.

    Deport all the white rapists to Russia. Trumps buddy Putin will have a nice spot for them. OMG. I think I’m getting it.

    Have a great day all Veterans.

  15. mike from iowa

    Miss Lindsey Graham, (DF-SC) wants Drumpf to nominate wasTED Cruz for the Scotus and warns Dems not to block any of Drumpf’s nominees or they will pay for it.

  16. Ruh oh, could be big! Maybe the election is not over. http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-election-tie-519696

  17. Graham did not vote for anyone in the republican party mike, his words are kind of idle chatter.

  18. mike from iowa

    Megyn Kelley’s new book claims someone at Fake Noize tipped Drumpf off about the questions he would be asked and she claims on the way to the program she was handed a cup of coffee that made her violently ill. She was not sure she could co-moderate the debate. Must be crooked HRC striking again, right?

  19. bearcreekbat

    Coyote, back in the days when Reagan was Governor of California, agriculture businesses exploited undocumented immigrant labor. The national Legal Services Corporation, which was formed during the Nixon administration to provide legal help to poor people in civil cases, funded LSC programs across the country. LSC programs in California brought and won class action civil lawsuits against big agriculture on behalf of poor migrant farm workers. Problem was, California agriculture businesses and Reagan were totally in bed together, hence Reagan was pissed when the Courts found in favor of the migrant workers and his Ag friends lost those class action cases.

    Reagan was so pissed off, in fact, that one of his top priorities as President was to totally defund and repeal the LSC. Every budget he proposed as President over the next 8 years provided zero funding for the national LSC. While for those years Congress rejected these funding cuts, Reagan’s reaction to his Ag friends losing class action lawsuits to undocumented migrant workers suggests that he may not have been as antagonistic toward migrants as the comments you quoted might imply.

    Ironically, after Bill Clinton was elected President he appointed Hillary to sit on the LSC board. When Republicans took back Congress two years later, they continued to fund LSC but limited the legal help available so that a recipient of LSC funds could not bring class actions to enforce the rights of the poor against anyone, including big Ag, nor lawsuits to enforce statutory and constitutional rights if the defendant was a local, state or federal program. Those changes, coupled with reduced funding, pretty much limited local LSC programs to representing the first poor person who came in the door seeking help in a divorce case (the other spouse was out of luck, since LSC lawyers could not represent two opposing sides in a case), along with a few landlord/tenant disputes and in a few other areas, such as filing a Claim of Exemption.

  20. Roger Cornelius

    Bear, you got me thinking about another Reagan cut that had a reverse affect.
    Under Jimmy Carter, I believe, the Democrats created the Comprehensive Employment and Training Act (CETA). It was widely used on reservations and other economically depressed areas of the country.
    The Oglala Sioux Tribe used the program and seriously decreased unemployment. Businessmen in the border towns in Nebraska and the northern border towns of Kadoka hated this program and called it work/welfare.
    One of Reagans first acts in office was to discontinue the program.
    What Reagan and those republican businessmen failed to consider was the economic impact it would have not just on the reservation, but in the border towns.
    When CETA workers would cash their checks many would shop in these border towns and make significant contributions to local economies.
    When Reagan cut CETA the border towns dried up and have not recovered to this day. They are for the most part dust towns since most reservation residents find it easier to shop in Rapid City.

  21. bearcreekbat

    Roger, in my view Reagan was one of the very worse President we have ever suffered. The CETA program cuts you describe that his administration implemented adds evidence that strengthens my opinion.

  22. Don Coyote, get real: never have I advocated a carte blanche policy for immigration. I am making the point that Trump’s anti-immigrant rhetoric violates basic American principles.

  23. And as Spike points out, even illegal immigrants contribute immensely to our economy and to our tax rolls, in ways that businesspeople and consumers will be loath to give up.

  24. Jerry, I’m dubious. No other analyst appears to be jumping on that Wisconsin recount story. The math appears to be thin. Let’s not grasp at straws.

  25. Thank you, bearcreekbat, for giving context to Coyote’s context.

  26. There’s a local small business that has conservative propaganda hanging up all over. I actually wouldn’t do business with him because of it, but it’s something that I need so seldomly that I just don’t worry about it. It’s kind of funny though, there’s a sign there with the usual “If you’re going to live here you need to learn English” BS. The thing is that when him and his old German customers get together they have such a thick accent you can barely understand them. As I stand there and listen to them talk, and read that sign, I just laugh. #Hypocritical

  27. No straws needed. The deal is done and there is a President elect Trump. He will be our guy until the public does not see any change in their status or it gets much worse. Climate change will be the electoral college that makes the change in everything. Went up by Belle Fourche the other day. They are down about 8 inches of moisture, some fellers mentioned. So dry you can see what looks like a smoke mirage coming up from the grass when it is calm. Cattle ain’t worth a damn, no grass, hay prices are high, if you can even get it. Bright spot is corn, but ya gotta have hay to complete that food circuit, no roughage, no real gain. Who would have thunk it, corn that is so cheap we don’t even know what to do with it so it is cattle feed that can’t be used because of hay shortage. In the meantime, keep planting corn and beans while riddin that Horse with No Name.

  28. Michael Moore and few others predicted a Trump victory. Moore in July! Liberals and conservatives laughed at Moore. Google it.
    Watch (44min) Moore and others intelligently discuss the election on Friday – especially the discussions on Thanksgiving Dinner and Scarboroughs! recounting of the 2-year elections for the past 12 years. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_rk5rp499Q

    The election results are primarily the result of economics; primarily the result of the rural v urban divide for the ‘recovery’ bypassed the 96% of the land mass that is not in urban areas. See my earlier link to Wong’s Cracked article, and: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/13/business/economy/can-trump-save-their-jobs-theyre-counting-on-it.html

    The election result and Scarbourgh’s 12-year summary also validate and vindicate us Perot voters – who paid attention when Ross studied the proposal NAFTA Treaty saying the Treaty would result in a ‘giant sucking sound’ as American jobs fled overseas.

  29. Trump does not “deserve a chance” as much as he and Republicans have an opportunity to do good work. Too bad, last time Republicans “had an opportunity” they nearly broke the whole country and world – because their policies most always prove to be too impractical for constructive application to reality.

  30. More reasons to believe that the streets will continue to fill http://www.kentucky.com/news/politics-government/article114197923.html

    I really don’t think the voters are interested in lies and damned lies at this point in the game. The game plan has always been to lie, but now, they are gonna have to govern along with propping up the lies they have told. Ain’t gonna happen. The pitchforks in the street are going on right now, they will be joined by those that voted the other way soon.

  31. It is common knowledge that the Republican party didn’t want Trump, they would much prefer their “true conservative” Pence but there was no way he could win. The first time Trump gives them a reason they will impeach him to get their guy in the White House. The looks on all of those Trumpers faces when the realize they have been played for suckers will be priceless, then the pitchforks will come in droves. Sadly, the damage Republicans do to this country over the next four years, and what they have already done may be irreversible.

  32. Trump “does not deserve a chance”. When Bush was elected in 2001 it marked the 1st time in 70 years the Republicans held all 3 elected bodies. Within 8-years they wrecked the economy, bailed out the guilty, began 2 endless wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, 9/11 hit, and had the inept response to the Katrina disaster. Salon. The nation cannot afford a redo of a republican majority. Watch the regressives be swept from office in the 2018 mid-terms as they were when Pelosi became the Speaker of the House. Yet the economic problem is bigger than the Republicans alone. Clinton signed NAFTA. Obama failed, as did Clinton, and the Bushes, to adequately protect the declining middle class, their jobs, and towns.

    The 18th-Century electoral college has to go. In small states as few as 135k voters equate to 1 electoral vote. In large states 1 electoral vote represents 5.5-600k voters. It’s as if WY were to play football by 11-man rules in a game against California forced to play by 5-man rules. This nation must return to 1-man, 1-vote.

  33. @Coyote: 13:23. Dismembering the Coyote – Reagan signed the Immigration and Reform Act in 1986 giving amnesty to as many as 3.2 million undocumented immigrants.
    “I believe in the idea of amnesty for those who have put down roots and lived here, even though sometime back they may have entered illegally,” -RR

  34. Greg Deplorable

    I can’t wait to see how you fair weather commies handle it when the Trumpster actually starts enacting policy.

    Better get ready and put more safety pins on.

  35. The real question will be, how will you handle it. Me, I can wait as I have all the time in the world. I am used to taking hits. My pity will be seeing you and those like you suffer the consequences of an unchecked regime.

  36. Fair weather commies – LOL.

    Trump will do what W did. Destabilize some part of the world, let our free markets cannibalize themselves at tax payers expense, give tax breaks to people who don’t need or deserve it, and neuter government so that it couldn’t solve a problem or represent its people if it tried.

    Yes, indeed, you might just be deplorable, but I would need to know more.

  37. If you think it sucks living in your mom’s basement Mr. Deplorable, you will soon grow to appreciate it very much. Good luck.

  38. Roger Cornelius

    Deplorable
    Trump has proven time again that he is an absolute fascist.

    There hasn’t been anybody on this blog that has remotely suggested that they are a commie unless of course you object to social justice, than there are probably a few commies here.

    Speaking of commies, how about Trump’s First Lady, she has commie ties and was mostly likely the one to hook up Putin and Trump.
    Imagine that, a commie in the White House.

  39. Sorry Roger to interject on this, but I really do not think Mr. Deplorable knows what an absolute fascist is. So I took the liberty (he may be fuzzy on that word as well) to present its meaning, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

  40. Roger Cornelius

    Thanks Jerry, I just hope Deplorable understands the full meaning.
    He should probably look up the meaning of communism too, people like him toss around ‘commie’ as an insult without knowing the meaning.

  41. I am guessing the safety pins Mr. Deplorable speaks of is in case he runs out of Depends and will have to use his mom’s old dish towels. I really don’t think that I will send him what the meaning of being communist is as it may cause him to realize the closeness our next president has with another Deplorable in Russia.

  42. Greg Deplorable

    Even though it is just a blog, I’m glad for you guys that you have at least one place left in this country where you hold a majority. Please don’t let me interrupt the marxathon.

  43. Greg Deplorable

    Oh, and SDSU won today. So that is twice this week that liberals lost, could be a tough one throw on an extra pin!

  44. Roger Cornelius

    Another word for Deplorable to look up in the dictionary Marxathon.

    Jerry, there are reports that President Obama is taking very seriously and calling for an investigation of the Putin/Trump relationship and the communist country meddling in an American election

  45. Roger Cornelius

    Deplorable,
    There is actually another place where Democrats had a majority, it was on Tuesday when Hillary Clinton won the popular vote.

  46. Mr. Deplorable, as you wish, here are some folks handling it. https://twitter.com/hashtag/TrumpProtest?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

  47. Mr. Deplorable, good news from Mexico! The Mexican government is seeking volunteer labor to construct the Walls on the border. These walls will be constructed to keep Americans out as they come to take the jobs away from the Mexican citizens and to get the free healthcare. In the meantime, there are calls out for employment on the kill floors in meat packing, in the dairy industry, citrus picking while vegetable harvest are always in season throughout the United States. Shots are required against Yellow Fever and Zika and are available at the Trump Medical Posts throughout the areas. There is a charge for the best vaccination ever. The vaccine came in under budget and on time. So we have that going for us, which is a good thing. Get in line Mr. Deplorable, that Zika is some bad mojo.

  48. Darin Larson

    Greg Deplorable– I don’t know Greg, even an establishment candidate like Hillary Clinton received a sold majority of voters under 45 and a solid majority of women voters in addition to a majority of the popular vote. Throw in 88% of the black vote and approaching 70% of the latino vote and Democrats did pretty well. You won the old white guy vote for Trump. Congratulations, I guess. The voting demographics are a changing and they are not in your favor.

    I can’t wait to see what your people are going to do with the reins of power.

  49. Roger Cornelius

    Darin,
    You may not know Greg Deplorable personally, but you know him. South Dakota is full of Greg Deplorables and they keep the corruption flowing and vote against their own best interests.
    You know Greg Deplorable just as everyone here has their own Greg Deplorable.

  50. mike from iowa

    HRC won the popular vote by over 2 million votes.

  51. mike from iowa

    Wah,wah,wah Greg. No one forced you to have an abortion. No one forced you to get “gay” married. No one took your guns. No one forced you to accept or live with immigrants. No one forced you to be bigoted or racist or homophobic. or a white nationalist or a misogynist. You and yours did that to yourselves by listening to and associating with creatures of that ilk.

    You whine about not getting respect or tolerance. Those are two way streets, buddy.

  52. mike from iowa

    Donnie “I love the Veterans” Drumpf did not attend a single Vets event on Veteran’s Day.

  53. Darin Larson

    Mike, the election is over so Trump doesn’t need to posture and pander to folks anymore. Remember he felt like he went through his own Vietnam war, so he is a veteran himself in his own mind and probably wanted to stay home with his family and remember all the friends he lost and the close calls he had.

  54. mike from iowa

    I hear you, Darin. STDs took a tremendous toll on America’s youth that were fortunate not to have to go overseas and get killed in Vietnam for nothing.

  55. mike from iowa

    http://www.rawstory.com/2016/11/youre-an-ugly-little-pig-bay-area-woman-launches-racist-rant-at-iranian-born-us-citizen/

    Drumpf’s followers have carte blanche to reach out and re-offend every minority in America. Makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside, don’t it?
    The work Obama and Dems did for the last 8 long years won’t last 8 minutes under King Drumpf. What a freaking sad time for all of us except them.

  56. Greg Deplorable

    Maybe, just maybe you guys will rediscover federalism.
    The rioting, and being a social justice warrior did not help you win the election, and this kind of behavior won’t help you in the future. People see through tantrums.

    An all powerful executive and federal government was great when your guy was in power, but now the tables have turned.
    That is why the constitution is the greatest single governing document ever created. You guys want choice, and things that a large majority of the people want, enact it through state rights. It is well within constitutionality and what the founders imagined.
    South Dakota does not have to be California, and that is ok for both sides.

  57. Darin Larson

    Greg, your guy is continuing to try to intimidate the media into giving him favorable press coverage. The media actually has the unmitigated gall to quote Trump on what he says. Trump does not care for this one bit. What is Trump doing on a Sunday morning, relaxing, going to church, planning the transition, working on the future of our country? Nope, he’s on Twitter railing against the New York Times.

    I think I’ll keep my online subscription.

    http://money.cnn.com/2016/11/13/media/donald-trump-new-york-times/index.html

    Greg, we have national issues that need to be confronted on a national level. Solving our healthcare problems is not going to be handled at the state level even though some great work has been done at the state level. Our economy that favors the 1% over the poor and working class is not going to be materially reformed and made more inclusive by state level initiatives. We can do some things at the state level to help out inequities of opportunity in individual states, but it is not going to amount to much compared to federal policies.

    Trump has grabbed ahold of the steering wheel with the aid of a lot of disaffected people. I’m afraid that rather than changing the direction of our country, he is going to yank the steering wheel and drive us right into the ditch.

  58. mike from iowa

    Drumpf isn’t going to solve anyone’s problems except his own. Maybe he can declare himself above the law so he can’t be charged with any crimes-even the ones he committed during the campaign, And it is a fact that he committed crimes while urging wingnuts to persecute HRc even though she has been repeatedly cleared of any crimes.

  59. Greg Deplorable

    I hear that Trump is going to enslave minorities, take away gay rights, threaten the democracy, yada yada yada. Maybe I missed something, but when did Trump become a Muslim?

    It is ironic, but the constitution that piece of paper you desperately want to change is actually your friend. This all powerful federal government really bites when “your guy” isn’t doing things with a pen and a phone.

    If you guys want to redistribute wealth start with the hugely democratic states. Enact higher marginal rates, show the whole country through results or lack there of and maybe then your initiatives will gain more traction.

  60. mike from iowa

    Koran forbids Muslims to have slaves. We heard HRC is a crook for 30 freaking years and you guys are still saying it.

    This mess is yours. Obama and Dems have the economy in phenomenal shape-especially compared with the last freaking moron appointed by the Scotus. The economy will tank soon enough with more taxcuts for the well to do, more defense spending and critical cuts to the least among us-all standard wingnut projects to wreck the economy and enrich the 1%, Been there twice and done that twice and twice Dems had to save America from right wing nut jobs.

  61. mike from iowa

    Only voter fraud wads done by a Drumpf supporter who voted twice for the mangled apricot hellbeast.
    Voter suppression, as practiced by wingnuts, was rampant in a number of critical states. But HRC is a crook.

  62. What a pathetic bunch of sore losers on this blog. The author couldn’t muster 40% of the votes in his South Dakota election which should make him realize that maybe he is a far left whacko. The rest of you whine about Trump and spew nonsense and make up things he supposedly said. You make fun of rural America, even though rural America has far less problems than the metro areas. You want to give the country to immigrants, many who do not really want to be American, they just want to live here, but really continue to be whatever nationality they came from. You think the world should be turned over to LBGTQ (they add more letters daily) even thought the country feels differently. Your crazy left ideologies lost! Trump does not need to cater to you or the whining rioters, he will but doesn’t need to reach across the table to Democrats (Obama hasn’t done it in 8 Years) but Trump will. You hypocrites from the party of inclusion and acceptance are sure showing your true colors now!! Pathetic!!

  63. Says a victim of fake, confirmation bias based, news

  64. Darin Larson

    stumpy, put down the bottle. Trump will help you with your addiction problems. Seriously, get help.

    You say we are making up things he supposedly said. What was made up? We don’t need to make up stuff about Trump. He is what is known in military parlance as a target rich environment.

    I hope you get the help you need. Maybe you can give yourself a break from right-wing media for a while. Trump will make it all better; There, There.

  65. mike from iowa

    Breitbart and Info Whores are going to be Drumpf’s establishment propagandists.

    Drumpf claims the NYT apologized to him, but that isn’t what actually was said. Hid pack of cowards are blasting NYT on Twitter.

    Hey Stumpy, did you know when you repeat the fraud’s words back to him verbatim, he can’t and you can’t say they are making stuff up.His own words, Stumpy-words he has uttered on the internet and are out there forever. I realize this is going over your headagain.

  66. mike from iowa

    he will but doesn’t need to reach across the table to Democrats (Obama hasn’t done it in 8 Years) but Trump will.

    Who tells you when to breathe in and out, Slick?

  67. I have seen a TV show where most everybody was dead except for some and then the rest were zombies and came shambling back. It was quite scary. That is kind of what all of this reminds me of.

  68. mike from iowa

    I found Stumpy’s cousin on Wonkette-

    PEOPLE HAVE VOTED AND SPOKE ,,,GET OVER IT,,,NO MORE FREE HABDOUTS
    SORE LOSER,,,PEOPLE HAVE SPOKE, IDIOT

    ONLY RIGGING IS OBAMA TELLING PEOPLE THAT YOU CAN VOTE EVEN IF NOT DOCUMENTED IN USA ,,,ONLY REASON DEMS WANT MORE ILLEGALS VOTING IS TO MAINTAIN POWER,,THEY HAVE NOT HELPED THE MINORITIES IN THIS COUNTRY OVER 8 YEARS AND 8 MILLION MORE PEOPLE ARE POOR. FIGURE IT OUT,,DEMS WANT EVERYONE EQUAL,,,,,TO BE POOR AND DEPENDENT ON THEM SO THEY CAN STAY IN POWER ..PEOPLE ARE TIRED OF MEXICO AND OTHERS JUST ENTERING TO USE RESOURCES THE USA NO LONGER CAN AFFORD,,,WE ARE IN DEBT BIG TIME,,,DO A LITTLE READING ON TWO THINGS ,,THE DEMS WANTING SLAVERY,,THE DEMS WANTING TO KEEP THE POOR BLACK IN THE INNER CITIES ON THE NEW PLANTATION ,,,THE SLUMS. IF YOU WENT ON INTERNET AND READ CLINTON MURDERS,,,YOU MIGHT REALIZE WHY SHE LOST,,,PURE EVIL,,,AND BYE BYE… ANY PERSON THINKING OR BEING DEM IS SOLELY UNEDUCATED TO THE FACTS,,OR EATING FOR GOVERNMENT TO FEED AND HOUSE THEM,,,,NOT LOOKING FOR A JOB OR PROF ESPIONAGE THROUGH EDUCATION ,,,I HAVE ONLY SEEN MANY DOCUMENTED CASES OF DEAD VOTING,,,YEP,,EASY TO WIN WHEN THAT CRAP IS GOING ON,,,YES,,YOU CAN DENY,,BUT DO SOME RESEARCH. I TOO AT ONE TIME WAS A FAN OF BILLS,,,BUT WAS YOUNG AND DUMB,,NOW HAVE TIME TO READ,,,I CAN TELL YOU 5 OR SIX REASONS TRUMP WILL GET THINGS DONE FOR THE COUNTRY,,I LISTENED TO HILLARY ALSO,,,ONLY TALKED OF INC. TAXES,,FREE THIS AND THAT,,,WITH NO WAY TO PAY EXCEPT TAKE FROM HARD WORKING MIDDLE CLASS,,,THIS COUNTRY IS IN ECONOMIC RUIN,,,THE DOLLAR IS A PIECE OF WORTHLESS PAPER NOT BACKED BY GOLD,,,ONE DAY,,,THE END WILL COME WHEN IT IS NO LONGER THE RESERVE CURRENCY,,,EDUCATE YOURSELF BEFORE THIMAKING THIS COUNTRY NEEDS 12 MILLION POOR ILLEGALS USING OUR HOSPITALS AND SCHOOLS. I MARRIED A LATINA AND AM NOT ANTI HISPANIC IN ANY FORM,,,SO YES TRUMP WON,,,SO GET OVER IT,,,8 YEARS OF A MUSLIM IN OFFICE DID NOT HELP THE BLACK PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTRY AND PUT US 10 TRILLION MORE ON DEBT,,,I AM AFRAID IT IS TO LATE FOR ANYONE TO TURN AROUND,,I HOPE YOU ENJOY THE TAX BREAKS,,LESS HEALTH INS. COSTS, THE EASIER FILING IF TAXES ,,IF YOU WORK,,,ENJOY LESS REFUGEES GETTING 954/MO AND FREE HOUSING AND FOOD STAMPS AND MEDICAL COMING HERE,,YOU PROBABLY DID NOT REALIZE WE GIVE THAT TO EVERY REFUGEE WHILE WE HAVE PEOPLE IN STREETS WITH NOTHING,,,DO SOME READING AND MAYBE YOU CAN COME OUT OF THE DARK AND SEE WHAT THE MISERABLE DEMS HAVE DONE TO US,,,,

  69. Greg Deplorable

    You guys are quite something.

    Demand Trump accept the outcome of the election, and when he wins your party goes out and riots and burns the country you claim Trump would destroy. Talk about love trumps hate, gee-wiz, bunch of snowflakes that must’ve got participation trophies growing up.

    Impune flyover America, call them stupid, bigots and racist and then wonder why you can’t win a single statewide election. Meanwhile the carnage continues on, 900+ Democrats have lost their positions nationwide.

    By all means keep doing what you are doing.

  70. mike from iowa

    Wah,Wah,Wah Deplorable. HRC won the popular vote by over 2 million. The people spoke. The election WAS rigged-against Hillary. It took lying right wing nut job party, the FBI, Russian intelligence working with wikileaks to force the mangled apricot hellbeast on America. Yeah, the election was rigged.

  71. mike from iowa

    ps HRC still isn’t a crook. Just go right on deceiving.

  72. Greg Deplorable

    Mike is that your public or private position?

  73. Mignon Mike, who is from the smaller part of Iowa, will talk about the election being rigged for a long, long time. He and I both did not vote for Trump. But I, grudznick, am the voice of reason. Isn’t that just insaner than most?

  74. Mr. Deplorable is just anxious because he knows the new federalist in charge of protocol will be Meatloaf. Meatloaf has been delegated to tell contestants they are fired. I’ll bet you are reviewing old Gary Busey parts in movies so you can giggle with your buddies on how you can imitate him, hint The Gingerbread Man. Get after it so you can dazzle your bro’s at the water cooler tomorrow while you still are fantasizing about Hillary.

  75. Mr. stumcfar’s family did not immigrate here so that is why the anger towards immigrants. I am not sure how it all worked out that he is not from immigrants, but he must have gotten here from Zorda when the earth was quite young or the other way around, that interplanetary stuff causes me indigestion or maybe it was the taco I ate. Anyway, it is good and we hope that he welcomes us all.

  76. Are you really going to go all holier-than-thou on us Greg?? How many dollars damage do you suppose were done here….?

    ‘Vote Trump’ painted on black church set ablaze in Mississippi
    http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/02/us/mississippi-black-church-vandalized-vote-trump/index.html

    Plus a little voter intimidation to boot. Nice.

    Eventually you’ll learn not to throw rocks in a glass house. Because you throw like a girl, and your balls are showing.

  77. mike from iowa

    Another Drumpf campaign promise broken-

    Trump: ‘I’ll Take $1 Salary as President’

    You Lie-again! And you’d still be overpaid taking half a dollar.

  78. bearcreekbat

    The good news seems to that Trump is now making it clear that he scammed the Gregs who bought his campaign promises hook, line and sinker. Trump made many campaign promises and we might get lucky if he breaks a few, and unlucky if he breaks others. Lately here are some of his new positions:

    Build a great big beautiful wall – well maybe not, maybe just a little fence in places;

    Repeal and replace Obamacare – well maybe not, maybe we need to keep the good parts;

    Kick the establishment out of DC – well maybe not, maybe we just need to have a transition team and cabinet of well-known establishment insiders and corporate cronies;

    Appoint a special prosecutor and lock Hillary up – well maybe not since she has devoted so much to this country and because Bill and Hillary are “good people” that Trump doesn’t want to hurt;

    Leave social security and medicare alone – well maybe not, maybe its time to privatize them;

    Put Trump’s holdings in a blind trust to avoid any conflict in interest – well maybe not, we will just have the family openly run the trust so Trump can know what is happening and make his political decisions accordingly;

    Round up and deport all 11 million undocumented immigrants – maybe not, maybe just the same ones that are currently being deported, immigrants who have been convicted of crimes;

    Ban Muslim immigration – well maybe banning all Muslim immigration until we find out what is going on is not such a good idea after all;

    Resume waterboarding – oh that was just campaign talk;

    Tariffs on Chinese and Mexican imports – well maybe not as that could actually cause economic problems; and

    Rip up the Iran deal – well maybe “rip up is too strong a word.”

    We should be very grateful if he does back off his more pernicious campaign rhetoric and promises. What is pretty surprising is the speed in which he appears to be repudiating his promises. Some voters really got gaslighted and other may have supported Trump precisely because they thought he would break all of his crazy campaign promises. Either way, they put us on a pretty interesting roller coaster ride. I hope it is not so wild that we get sick to our collective stomachs as we did as kids when the carnival rides came to visit our little SD towns.

  79. mike from iowa

    Chip-Drumpf supporters vandalizedanother church. This one in Maryland –
    http://www.wusa9.com/news/local/silver-spring/md-church-vandalized-with-racist-pro-trump-message/351465054

  80. Back in the day of the Vietnam War years, The Black Panther Party patrolled crime ridden areas of Watts and Compton in California. They were surprisingly successful and armed. Of course, it scared the hell out of the white folks and Governor Reagan installed gun laws to put an end to that open carry. But what happened from that was more police protection in these areas. As these attacks are now enacted more frequently while our police are guns for hire protecting private industry, we need to bring back the armed Black Panther Party to protect the citizens from racial dangers.

  81. mike from iowa

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/donald-trump-administration/2016/11/pence-email-privacy-indiana-231332

    Pence wants to keep email about lawsuit against Obama administration private, after the debacle of an election surrounding HRC’s use of private emails.

  82. While Trump bs’d about coal jobs, Clinton was calling him a racist. Which one do you think won the White House? A lie will get you impeached and it will also get you elected. What do you tell your kids? Whatever the hell you want to, they can see for themselves how it all works. http://www.wvgazettemail.com/news-politics/20161112/trump-win-wont-bring-coal-rebound-could-block-climate-progress

  83. Porter Lansing

    I think South Dakota is going to be required to send more tax money to Washington. Don Trump’s history of underperforming facets of his companies shows this to be a demand, before more stringent action is required.

  84. “If you guys want to redistribute wealth start with the hugely democratic states. Enact higher marginal rates, show the whole country through results or lack there of and maybe then your initiatives will gain more traction.”

    …blue states are far less dependent on the redistribution of wealth than red states are. Translation: they are giving more and taking less, on average.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/red-states-more-dependent-on-federal-government-2015-7

  85. mike from iowa

    Porter, Jerry-what do you make of this?

    http://whatsupwiththatwatts.blogspot.com/2016/11/fbi-director-comey-dworkin-report.html

    Drumpf has incorporated over 250 businesses in Russia. He claimed this summer he had no ties.